Strength In Dispute

For reasons known only to himself, Teddy Thin Skin has decided to make war on Richard Spencer. I tolerate Thin Skin and I think he whiffed badly on this one and I told him so. It’s not the end of the world. No one is right all the time and being wrong is an important part of getting it right. Fear of error just traps you in the darkness of ignorance, because you can never be sure. Call it Schrodinger’s Moron. The person who never tests his ideas is both wrong and right, until the superposition collapses into true or false.

VD posts a lot and is free with his opinions, most of which are sensible and worth your time to consider. Calling out Spencer as not a man of the Right is not without some justification. He has supported ideas that are traditionally not on the Right, but he is a provocateur, so he often stakes out controversial positions. Spencer went to Auburn and mocked the religion of college football. That’s like going to Mecca and setting up a BBQ joint. My guess is Spencer does not care a whit about college football. That’s the point.

Maybe that’s what Thin Skin was up to with his Richard Spencer meme, but it did not work. It happens. It is not the end of the world or the start of a great schism. The reason is schisms happen when movements are weak or failing. When they are strong and growing, internal debate and the occasional slap fight is healthy and cathartic. It is a form of self-policing. Sure, some feelings can get hurt when these things happen, especially in the age of social media, but as the saying goes, when elephants fight the grass gets hurt.

Thin Skin feels comfortable offering up a critique of Spencer, because he knows the wind is at our back. I can tell you that Spencer is perfectly fine with this sort of thing. Over drinks at AmRen, I told Spencer what I thought he was getting wrong and he was happy to listen and respond in kind. My guess is he looked at that pic VD created and laughed. The reason is Spencer also knows that the wind is at our back. A little jostling and sniping comes with winning. People are open to criticism when they think they are winning.

In case you are tempted to agree with the commenter at VD’s site, who wrote, “Spencer and the government-infiltrated neo-Nazis helped to poison the idea of the Alt-Right for the general public”, take a look at this poll from the Washington Post. The point of the poll was to generate some fake science for a fake news story critical of Trump. This is standard fair with the Prog media. They wave around a poll screaming “See? See? We’re right. Science says so! All hail science!” Argumentum ad verecundiam.

As is always the case, the poll reveals truths that our betters refuse to reveal. Imagine you are being quizzed by a pollster and they ask, “Have you read, heard seen anything about the protest in Charlottesville last weekend in which there were street fights and a woman was killed?” Unless you have never heard of it, you know the official narrative. If you answer in the affirmative, they follow that with a question about how Trump handled the aftermath of the incident. Unless you are dull, you know what they are asking and why.

That’s where things get interesting. Questions five and six ask the respondent their opinion of the alt-right. The endless hooting in the media, about how the alt-right, was supposed to demonize the name and the movement associated with it. Yet, 40% of the respondents gave no opinion as their answer. Surely, most of those answering know the right answer. The previous four questions were designed to tell you the right answer, just in case you are particularly dim. Yet 40% chose “no opinion” rather than the right answer.

This is a variation on the Bradley Effect. This is where white voters will tell pollsters that they intend to vote for the non-white, but then vote for the white candidate. The reason is public morality demands whites vote for a non-white, lest they be called racist, but private morality moves them to vote their skin. In the case of the alt-right, 40% of respondents are responding to the public bellowing from the Prog mullahs, but privately think the alt-right, at the minimum, deserves a fair hearing or may be worth supporting.

Another way of looking at those last two questions is that only blacks and self-loathing whites oppose the alt-right, in the general sense. There were 10% of respondents willing to publicly say they support the alt-right. That rolls up to 20 million people who now identify, to one degree or another, with this thing. They may not agree with every aspect and they may have only a vague idea what alt-right means, but they are willing to stand outside the legacy political labels and proclaim themselves as dissenters. That’s huge.

That’s what winning looks like in a cultural movement. First it is ignored, but eventually the people in charge take note. Their efforts to suppress the new thing paint them as reactionaries and increases public curiosity for the new thing.  What people are responding to is the vigorous debate and intellectual curiosity that now only exists in the Dissident Right. They are responding to the rejection of the prevailing moral framework. They may not be ready to take the red pill, but they are in the chair.

This bring us back to the VD – Spencer flap. The alt-right is, in fact, a subset of the Dissident Right. When the DR was just a loose collection of dissidents and weirdos, no one cared much about a general, overarching moral and political philosophy. As we enter the next phase, where all of these disparate groups are finding common cause, stitching it all together becomes more important. It’s why these purse fights will become more common, but should be welcomed. They are a sign of growing strength.

History may not be on our side, but biology is and that counts for everything.

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Flying Moose Airways
Flying Moose Airways
2 years ago

Thank you for your thoughts on this Zman. Another reminder to gather your own information and form your own thoughts and opinions, ISO parroting someone else’s ideas.

Ted Colt
2 years ago

“That’s what winning looks like in a cultural movement. First it is ignored, but eventually the people in charge take note. Their efforts to suppress the new thing paint them as reactionaries and increases public curiosity for the new thing. What people are responding to is the vigorous debate and intellectual curiosity that now only exists in the Dissident Right. They are responding to the rejection of the prevailing moral framework. They may not be ready to take the red pill, but they are in the chair.” Which begs the question: between Beale, who appears to be attempting to suppress,… Read more »

Joey Junger
Joey Junger
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

The internecine squabbles don’t interest me. That “forty percent” you’re talking about is where the fight is won or lost. The Chad and Mandy types who want to be left alone to raise their families and live in peace are looking around, and if the alt-right will let them live and breathe in peace, while the state and the left want to invade every aspect of their lives, they’re going to side with us. They have eyes, and can see who’s attacking the statues and who’s defending them. People not married to ideology, people with lives to live, will decide… Read more »

fodderwing
fodderwing
Reply to  Joey Junger
2 years ago

It’s kinda fun to watch two leftist factions Duke it out (pardon the pun) at the street level and kinda sad at the same time when people get hurt or killed because they’ve been led to believe they are going to a picnic.

Joey Junger, I think you’re right about Chad and Mandy. Not being married to ideology, they are probably clueless as they watch all of this but, along with millions like them, will decide the outcome nonetheless, coming down on the side of those who can actually deliver the good life.

slumlord
slumlord
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Respectfully, I think you’re wrong. It is not like that this is the first time that the Right has attempted to push back against the Left. Salazar, Franco, the DVNP, Action Francaise, even the European Union v1.0 (Adenauer and Gaspari were strong anti-Leftists) all succumbed ultimately to the Left. One of the reasons why this is so–and notice I didn’t even mention the Natsocs or Fascists–is because the Right has failed to appreciate what it is up against and has been far too accommodating with regard to its allies. These accommodations have ultimately led to the Right’s demise in whatever… Read more »

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  slumlord
2 years ago

Excellent. Socialists are not right. Absolutely correct. From what I see of a lot of the “alt-right” , it’s chock full of people who have absolutely no clue about what being “right” or “conservative” actually is. They’re just pissed off that the left has gone full commie, is chock full of diversity – and/or they’ve been worshiping neocons,Israel – and the state for so long… that they’ll latch onto anything because the left has become so blatant about wanting to tear everything down. I see Zman bash libertarians here constantly. He must have been touched in a bad way by… Read more »

Jackson
Jackson
Reply to  Calsdad
2 years ago

The “NAZIs are leftists” meme that Dinesh D’Souza and others are trying to sell so hard is sort of silly. It’s up there with the “Democrats are the Real Racists”, or DR2 meme that the AltRight has savagely made fun of for a year now, pretty much ending it. DR2 is just an amusing way to cuck. Yes, we all know that circa 1960 the Democratic Party was the party of racial segregation in the south. But maps are not the territory, and the Dem Party of 1960 is not the Dem Party of 2017 (almost 60 years have passed,… Read more »

Guest
Guest
Reply to  Ted Colt
2 years ago

Yes, he resides in Italy and has for some time. Vox Day brings up some good points and some bad points, but in my book he has little standing in the US culture war battle since he abandoned ship years ago and apparently has no intent to return. He really has no skin in the game anymore.

Sharrukin
Sharrukin
Reply to  Guest
2 years ago

Doesn’t matter if he has skin in the game or not.

Is he right or wrong?

Guest
Guest
Reply to  Sharrukin
2 years ago

Rubbish. It makes all the difference. Even the British Generals didn’t try to fight the Revolutionary War from the comfort of London.

VD has no standing to attack Spencer precisely because while Spencer is risking arrest and prison here in the US, VD is living comfortably in Italy.

Ken
Ken
Reply to  Guest
2 years ago

No, it really doesn’t. One is either right or wrong, skin in the game has ZERO bearing on that. This is just a way to DISQUALIFY!! someone because you don’t like what they’re saying. And for the record, Vox is right. Spencer is a leftist. He’s pro EU for cryin out loud, that’s one step short of being pro Soviet.

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Guest
2 years ago

Vox Day is the movements philosopher which is a position is far more important than you might think. No one thus far has been better at it than him. Like all philosophers though he has ideological blinkers, his obsession with restoring Christendom is flawed and an inability to have a “what if the religion is past its time plan” is a critical flaw Christianity may be essential software to the West but it may also be crufty legacy code and especially for Europe we may need a patch that works without it, He can’t see this ,understandable given he is… Read more »

thwack
thwack
2 years ago

As far as I can tell, the Alt Right suffers from 2 main schisms which threaten to derail the entire movement:

1. The Jewish Question.

2. The Christianity Question

In every Alt Right forum Ive ever witnessed, those two items always cause a major split that can’t be ignored for any length of time. I don’t have the answer.

Glen Filthie
Glen Filthie
Member
Reply to  thwack
2 years ago

I do.

Take them off the table. Evaluate jews and Christians one at a time – if they’re honest and agreeable – accept them. If they are not – reject them as enemies.

Easy. Why fight about shit like that?

thwack
thwack
Reply to  Glen Filthie
2 years ago

Easy. Why fight about shit like that?

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Because they are such critical questions.

If you can’t name the Jew, anything else you do will only confuse you.

Second, if you remove Christianity, you are going to hafta replace it with something equal or greater than it. The argument is made that the farther away from the church white people moved, the weaker they became?

Glen Filthie
Glen Filthie
Member
Reply to  thwack
2 years ago

I don’t know what you mean by ‘name the jew’ … but as far as replacing or re-establishing Christianity – I would be happy to see a restoration of their morals, ethics and concept of public decency to start. What we need to understand is that wherever you have power and money, you inevitably have corruption – and all that is needed is the means to check it, and the will to attack and dispense with the perps.
At least, that’s the way I see it. But whadda I know?

thwack
thwack
Reply to  Glen Filthie
2 years ago

I don’t know what you mean by ‘name the jew’

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Are you serious?

Glen Filthie
Glen Filthie
Member
Reply to  thwack
2 years ago

Yes. I personally have never had problems with Jews. I know people that become unhinged about them and that they’re destroying the world, but I am not one of them. I’m just spitballing here – but the reason we see so many Jews in prominent positions amongst the political left – might be due to the absolute lack of intellect over there. When you get a power base made of vibrants and ethnics with double digit IQ’s… the joos would naturally outclass them and rise to the top of their organizations. Perhaps the reason we don’t notice them on the… Read more »

Vik
Vik
Reply to  Glen Filthie
2 years ago

The problem, to me, is not Christianity or the lack of it, but a traitorous, atheistic Christianity. A seculariist, universalist alternative to the personal project towards perfection.

Mankind cannot be perfected. We are all unique. I can only seek my own salvation.

And thus, Alt-Right. Because differences matter. How to deal with that? I don’t know.

But acknowledging that is the only truth.

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  thwack
2 years ago

I agree that Christianity is part of the social software that makes up the West. Point #4 of the 16 points of the .alt right The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Graeco-Roman legacy. But let me say this, Europe is nearly post Christian in terms of being religious. What if it its simply past its time and no revival is to be had? There will still be Christians sure but what if it fades out especially in Europe without returning? Worse the… Read more »

Epicaric
Epicaric
Reply to  thwack
2 years ago

There is a further schism, a corollary of The Jewish Question, if you will, that is frequently raised by the racialist wing: The White Question; Who is white, with all of the attendant purity spirals that ultimately leave only Thor and his fair maiden Hilda standing on the bone piles. This question is ultimately at root of VD’s critique of the dress-up crowd. The optics are debatable as a marketing question, but understanding what the symbolism actually means to its bearers has real meaning as to whether you feel comfortable sitting in this big tent. I am loathe to sharing… Read more »

Issac
Issac
Reply to  Epicaric
2 years ago

It really isn’t. Who is white is already defined by your enemies. You’re free to develop subdivisions outside of obvious ethnic ties, but only a subversive disputes that X is white while X is being hounded for their whiteness.

The only exceptions to the rule are those who explicitly deny being white, which at the moment is just Ashkenazi Jews in the US and Europe.

Epicaric
Epicaric
Reply to  Issac
2 years ago

I couldn’t agree more, and note that a blunt hammer will be used to define white, to the shock of those that have groveled to endear themselves to the dogs that they have unleashed. “I, personally, welcome our new thumb-brained crocodile overlords…”
My point, though, is that I don’t trust much of the dress-up crowd to hold ranks, anymore than I trust in the convictions of the now ubiquitous 8 year old child clutching a political poster his mother has thrust into his hands.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  thwack
2 years ago

I’m with Glen on this one. I seem to fall in line with the dissident or alt-right, but I am having trouble finding my place in such a thing. I find the “Jew” question and the “Christian” question, along with Nazi references, or who agrees or disagrees with each other, or whether Ann Coulter or Milo Whatshisname are attention whores, all so frustratingly counterproductive. Along with that is the frustration at seeing Antifa all dressed up with no place to go, as fascist public rallies are so…nonexistent, so any Trump voters or people to the right of Bernie Sanders are… Read more »

Vik
Vik
Reply to  Dutch
2 years ago

Ironically, there seem to be quite a lot of people who express Alt-Right views, and they are people of all colors. I suspect some compromise or great discussion will have to be commenced. But for the moment, the Cathedral, the edifice of politics, power, and interests that compose our state, has to be opposed. We don’t even know if we can win that. Talking about the Jewish Question is of no more interest to that end than functionally. As for the Christian Question, I think that the Alt-Right is inherently a movement that accepts some Christian values, at least if… Read more »

PRCD
PRCD
Reply to  Vik
2 years ago

Usually, at work, when I find myself agreeing with an “alt-right” person, they’re Hindu or East Asian. I am the only alt-right white guy there. Remember that the media told us Rodrigo Duterte was the biggest threat to world peace before Trump won the election

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Vik
2 years ago

Too much emphasis on the JQ plays right into the medias hands as well.

The people at Charleston we almost certainly chanting YOU will not replace us, not Jews will not replace us” but antisemitism to some degree is an easy sell

Amusingly the reason is its not more effective beyond its probably untrue is the Left is very anti Jewish these days and that dissonance leaves them ass out

Zeroh Tollrants
Zeroh Tollrants
Reply to  A.B. Prosper
2 years ago

No, they were saying, “Jews will not replace us,” and the Jewish Daily Forward wrote a response article saying, too late, we already have replaced you.
Only white people are in the dark about what is occurring here, not the Jews.

Zeroh Tollrants
Zeroh Tollrants
Reply to  Vik
2 years ago

This whole thread is weird. People attempting to redefine what is, or who is, a part of the Alt Right. A little late in the game for that, don’t you all think? I don’t even understand why people are quibbling about whether the Jewish Question is important, and then suggesting there’s any nuance about race? It’s a White Identitarian movement. Zero nuance. Anything else falls somewhere in the Alt-lite, I guess, amongst the Milos and Cernovitchs of the world. They promote that silly 1950’s, “Civic Nationalism,” that has worked, oh so well, in the ever browning America.

PRCD
PRCD
Reply to  Dutch
2 years ago

You don’t need to find your place in the whole thing. Movements like these are messy and outcomes are uncertain. Act according to your wisdom and conscience and leave the results to God.

I see no reason to condemn Spencer since he is not a threat to anyone, least of all me. This is not the 1920s. The threat today is obvious to everyone on here. Condemn the threat, ignore things that are not a threat. Paging Baruch K…

Reply to  Dutch
2 years ago

I share some of those sentiments and reactions very strongly, not least the feeling of living through Salem.

Up in my country, lacking Confederates, we’ve already moved onto the Washington/Jefferson phase, with attacks on our first prime minister Macdonald appearing out of the tall grass in the past few weeks. They were always out there, never this public.

.WRhino
.WRhino
2 years ago

I think VD is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He seems to support the actual alt-right but he still has all his friends and business relationships who are alt-lite at best.

He is kinda like all those white guys who have Asian wives; they know the score but are stuck with old decisions.

Glen Filthie
Glen Filthie
Member
Reply to  .WRhino
2 years ago

So he’s virtue signaling then…? LOL LOL LOL.

LMAO – it wouldn’t surprise me one iota, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he gets away with it either! 🙂

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  .WRhino
2 years ago

People in the .Alt Right commonly associate with .Alt Lite and normies. Its considered fine.

The ideological purity demanded of some other groups is not part of the makeup of the loose organization which is a good thing as reduces the risk or purity spirals

Mark Lytle
Mark Lytle
2 years ago

Very nice, boiled down to essentials. Yes, Biology will win in the end.

Pimpkin\'s nephew
Pimpkin\'s nephew
Reply to  Mark Lytle
2 years ago

Vulcanology will win in the end.

Biology only ensures that cockroaches will ‘win’ in the end.

Glen Filthie
Glen Filthie
Member
2 years ago

Children! Children! No need to fight! You’re BOTH assholes! I agree with you, Z Man, in that a better description of us is ‘dissident right’ rather than Alt Right. I read Vox Day too. Every day. He is capable of spectacular social commentary. I agree with him far, far more than I disagree. My only problem with him is that he is intellectually dishonest. If you compromise his world view or opinion – in a case of something like vaccination, for example, he will -lie -project -double down And – he will start displaying the characteristics of what he and… Read more »

Ken
Ken
Reply to  Glen Filthie
2 years ago

Didn’t he ban you?

Whiskey
2 years ago

No, Z Man I think you are very wrong here, and that the Two Kevins are quite right about Spencer and also Vox. Spencer, if he was not a government/Soros plant could not have done a better job. He got Bannon fired, finally, and another Bannon ally on trade fired. He got “normies” to associate any criticism of the poz as being, essentially Hitler. This is the view of **MANY** on the Alt-Right, that if we just make every White dude a slave, then … Hitler. Instead we’ll just have every White dude a slave. Trump’s kids are not going… Read more »

Guest
Guest
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

Too rambling. Couldn’t read. Get to the point.

If your comment is half as long at the original post, you’ve gone on too long,

Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

I don’t agree that Derbyshire or Sailer are either Soros/Fed lackeys or Nazi LARPers. Steyn still tries to make some cash and so does Coulter. Wouldn’t call anyone on that list a LARPer or any other kind of Nazi. Stop inflating definitions.

OTOH, there’s some truth in all that. About the demonstrations, the Nazi symbology, and so on. All that stuff is non-starter. It’s use is unbelievably stupid. Makes my sympathetic to the idea Spencer is a false flag.

Member
2 years ago

Asian identity politics – Good.
Black identity politics – Good. Black Power!
Arab identity politics – Good.
Hispanic identity politics – Good. La Raza!
Indian identity politics (both dot and feather). Good.
LGBT identity politics – Good. Pride!
Muslim identity politics – Good. Muslim Brotherhood!
Jewish identity politics – Good. Zionism!

White identity politics – Racist! Sexist! Homophobe! Bannon! Putin! Nazi! Hitler! White Nationalist! Alt-right! Genocide! Hate! Bias! Richard Spencer! Hitler!!!!!

Charlie_U
Charlie_U
2 years ago

Over on the My Posting Career forum there’s a thread called “Richard Spencer: Unmitigated Disaster”.

Worth a read.

james wilson
james wilson
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

The way one wit addressed criticism–“I don’t care what anybody says about me as long as it isn’t true.”

Zeroh Tollrants
Zeroh Tollrants
Reply to  Charlie_U
2 years ago

No, no it isn’t. There’s nothing there but bitterness and opposition for opposition’s sake. Constructive criticism is helpful, that, is just bellyaching.

Dupont Circle
Dupont Circle
2 years ago

My two cents. I’ve read Spencer’s stuff for seveal years. He’s not a Nazi. Calling someone a Nazi is just a slur anyway. It’s like calling people Communists who want affirmative action, race and sex quotas, hate crime laws, etc. Spencer’s thing is pan-European identity. The torch-light parade was a great piece of street theater. I don’t know who thought of it but it really was perfectly fine. It’s called owning the insult and it works. Dressing up in Nazi costumes or KKK hoods is not too bright unless you can do it ironically which, alas, the schlubs aren’t able… Read more »

Reply to  Dupont Circle
2 years ago

You cannot use SWPL slang or concepts like “owning the insult” or irony against them.

They are hardwired against seeing it that way.

Dupont Circle
Dupont Circle
Reply to  random_observer_2011
2 years ago

“You cannot use SWPL slang or concepts like “owning the insult” or irony against them.”

Of course you can. Spencer’s “Party like it’s 1933” after Trump’s victory was hilarious.

There’s a huge vein of bizarre contradiction in modern liberalism to mine.

For instance, by tearing down monuments they’re doing exactly what the Nazi’s did when they suppressed modern art. Read up on the Entartete Kunst exhibitions of the 30s.

Reply to  Dupont Circle
2 years ago

Yes, I know all that. My point is that it doesn’t work on them. They do not and cannot see the irony. Or, perhaps, they do and don’t care. You cannot use degenerate art against them, you cannot compare their actions with statues to the Taliban shelling the Buddhas or what have you. They cannot process such comparisons and/or will not. They will neither be swayed by them nor let anyone else think they have been swayed, nor lend such comparisons any validity. You cannot say the Salafi Muslims saw the Buddhas as evil symbols of the evil past before… Read more »

Karl Hungus
Karl Hungus
2 years ago

jockeying for position; must mean this thing is about to take off. who will be the new messiah to lead us out of slavery?

Optingout
Optingout
2 years ago

Thank for this post. I don’t make directly critical comments at Vox both because it’s his blog and, like a particular post-grad prof I had, he’ll not merely dispute you but also malign/ban your sources. I have no particular dog in this hunt, and I’m definitely on the outside looking in – merely a reader and occasional commenter and donator when I can be. However, the whole thing has left a really bad taste in my mouth. As I just noted in a comment elsewhere, I’m supposed to hate Spencer and “swastika panties” for being ideologically confused? When more than… Read more »

Karl Hungus
Karl Hungus
Reply to  Optingout
2 years ago

i love how VD had this absolute rule about not talking to the media, which he promptly violated when the mood suited him. to me he is a pompous and silly person, dressed up in make believe and playing kiddie games all day.

GrammaNatsi
GrammaNatsi
2 years ago

Standard fare

Caleo
Caleo
2 years ago

I agree with the 2Kevins, Spencer is toxic. He may very well be a really nice guy to have a few cocktails with at a conference, but he is a soft faced manchild who ruins everything he touches. I honestly believe he is David Duke 2.0, and he will play the same role the “Dr.” has for 30 years… a cartoon character trotted out by the media to smear anyone on the Dissident right dumb enough to be seen near him. He is certainly not a leader of men, and I don’t care if he “stands up for his people”… Read more »

Issac
Issac
Reply to  Caleo
2 years ago

I don’t think Kevin gets to do the armchair quarterback thing anonymously from Canada given his predisposition to wax poetically about “what neoconservatism used to be like.” That’s far more suspicious to me than Spencer’s unfortunate heil-toast or Duke’s Norman Finklestein routine.

Kevin Michael Grace
Reply to  Issac
2 years ago

1. I don’t think you know what “anonymous” means.
2. I don’t think you’ve ever heard my podcast.
3. What exactly are you insinuating about me?

Allan
Allan
2 years ago

Charlottesville was not exactly a disaster for Richard Spencer and the alt-right. Instead, it has emboldened the usual suspects to flaunt their enmity and malice in public, thereby calling attention to the threat which they embody. At times the evidence of their rottenness comes right to you, which means that the MSM filter has been circumvented. For example, less than two hours ago, at about 1:20 p.m. CDT, I had the opportunity to be reminded of the internationalists’ hopes by a large black male who surfaced at a Starbucks on the north side of Chicago. The black male was wearing… Read more »

Sam L.
Sam L.
2 years ago

Attacking football at Auburn? Too scared to attack football at Ol’ Bear Bryant’s ALABAMA? What a wuss.

Anonymous White Male
Anonymous White Male
2 years ago

I don’t know anything more about Spencer than I do about Vox Day or Zman. I only know their internet personas. Never met any of them. I don’t know how they would react in a crisis. Don’t know if what I read is intelligence or wisdom. I didn’t agree with Vox, not because I don’t think LARPing as Nazis or Klan members is foolish, but because if you kick Nazis, Klansmen, and Skinheads out of your sandbox, you’ve alienated some of the people that would actually fight in the streets. I find that many of the Right and, now, Alt-Right… Read more »

Teapartydoc
Member
Reply to  Anonymous White Male
2 years ago

Best comment.

Joey Junger
Joey Junger
2 years ago

The wind is definitely at our backs now. I hate-read Tim Wise, and while he’s been silent for months (probably because he can’t believe white America has this much fight left in it) he finally has a new post-Charlotsville post saying, in essence, “Pick your side in the coming Civil War.” His posts used to get several hundred or even thousand facebook shares in a few hours (or days at the most). The needle is stuck at fourteen shares right now, despite the fact that one can’t get more orthodox than him. People are recognizing that the rhetorical is heating… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Joey Junger
2 years ago

Look, we are winning this thing. The Left has nothing but a gang of amped up losers with bandannas over their faces and bats to swing. These losers don’t even have any targets. Thrashing Trump voters at campaign rallies didn’t go so well, there aren’t too many Nazi rallies to break up, and all they have left now is to throw urine filled bottles at the police. This thing is going to take care of itself. McConnell and Ryan are gonzo, the Dems have nothing but vitriol, and the cucks are on the run. Have a bit of faith in… Read more »

Severian
2 years ago

You know, I’m old enough to remember when “push polling” was one of the most disreputable tactics out there, used only by the scuzziest political campaigns. Now every poll is a push poll. They just can’t help themselves, can they? They could make a few simple changes to their approach and keep living the high life, but they’re going to blow themselves (and us) up, because they have to. It’s me nature, as the scorpion said to the frog.

Jimmy
Jimmy
2 years ago

Even by your standards a particularly strong post.

Put me on team vox, Spencer seems a lightweight. He was on a mainstream news program before he blew up and the interviewer straight up asked him if he was a white nationalist and he blinked and equivocated. From that moment I’ve had no respect for him. From what I’ve seen in his year of notoriety he has not improved.

He’s no leader.

Issac
Issac
Reply to  Jimmy
2 years ago

Never let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Alternatively, find a better trustafarian dissident rightist with the connections of the Spencer family who can move in and take the helm.

Roulf
Roulf
2 years ago

For some strange reason when people go after Spencer they tend to get emotional and incoherent. It brings to mind the laughable piece by Katie McHugh, which amounted to little more than helicopter murders, fear-mongering and feminine hysterics (http://bit.ly/2wgfCVI). In the case of Vox Day, the petty undertone is unfortunate because he was trying to raise some legitimate questions in his meme. Could he have done a better job framing his criticism? Of course, but it’s not the end of the world. To mention something positive about Vox Day and Spencer, both men have challenged my thinking and I have… Read more »

bilejones
Member
2 years ago

“History may not be on our side, but biology is and that counts for everything”

Almost. Demography is everything.

cerulean
cerulean
2 years ago

Joey Junger: “The internecine squabbles don’t interest me. That “forty percent” you’re talking about is where the fight is won or lost. The Chad and Mandy types who want to be left alone to raise their families and live in peace are looking around, and if the alt-right will let them live and breathe in peace, while the state and the left want to invade every aspect of their lives, they’re going to side with us.” I agree with Joey. I’m coming at this from maybe a little different perspective than Chad and Mandy, but with the same goal. I… Read more »

cerulean
cerulean
Reply to  cerulean
2 years ago

“If those attitudes were embodied in today’s law and the execution of it, I’d say my side had won.”

Hell, if those attitudes were embodied in the thinking of my neighbors, I’d think we were close to winning.

Discount Viscount
Member
2 years ago

Spencer went to Auburn and mocked the religion of college football.

Spencer’s performance at Auburn was the moment I became a fan.

Malcolm Frank
Malcolm Frank
2 years ago

Biology on our side? In an ideological sense, yes, this is true. But reality doesn’t care about ideas. In cold Darwinian reality, we are losing the biological war to the hyperfecund Africans and Muslims…

Eclectic Esoteric
Eclectic Esoteric
2 years ago

This proving ground in thought warfare will temper the sword of intellect. What warriors left standing will cut through the lies and slit the financial arteries of the reptilian swamp.

TomA
TomA
2 years ago

The is a tendency to focus narrowly on individual disagreements or problems because these appear to be the most easily solvable. The strategy behind this approach is persistent incremental advancement, and that is the standard model for modern movement-based change. We argue around the edges of this paradigm, but then remain oblivious to the systemic toxin that is doing the real damage.The essential dichotomy is . . . do you want to change government or replace it?

sirlancelot
sirlancelot
2 years ago

” Prog mullahs ”

Love it !

Hero Comix Boy
2 years ago

More importantly we need to decide what missions and tasks are the most important…the way that the anti-white movement has grown is via propagandization of white youth in school…until we realize this we have little hope of success…and once we do understand this, we need to take steps to stop that flow of anti-white propaganda in school and get our own counter-propaganda into the minds of white youth…right now the alt right thought leaders are all competing for followers and not thinking about the long term missions and tasks that will ultimately lead to victory…that is because these alt right… Read more »

PRCD
PRCD
Reply to  Hero Comix Boy
2 years ago

We could always try fixing our parenting. Ask your kids why one side of the story is taught in class and not the other. Give them the truth when they bring up history at home then ask them why they aren’t being told the truth. Use FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) to discredit the teacher. Your kids would rather believe the truth than a lie. Your relationship with your kids must be more important than any other relationship they have. I’ve had patriotic, well-meaning teachers in public school. I don’t have much experience with the SJW-types. The SJWs are having their… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
2 years ago

Interesting Washington Post headline: “Black-clad Antifa members attack peaceful right-wing demonstrators in Berkeley”.

The official mouthpiece of the other side has just admitted that Antifa is hurting their side, not helping it. Antifa is done.

We are winning.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Dutch
2 years ago

Now the Antifa crowd is talking about long term “Occupy Wall Street” style sit-ins in major cities.

Because bashing people over the head worked out so well.

Occupy was counterproductive for them, too.

We are winning.