The Lost Boys

I suspect most people who read blogs like this get their news and commentary from alternative sources, rather than conventional outlets. People in our thing still watch the cable shows on occasion and drift over to mainstream news sites, but more as visitors than partisans. Listening to a guy like Sean Hannity rant about how the Democrats are the real racists is uninteresting. The old Red Team versus Blue Team stuff is no longer relevant to the sort of people reading sites like this one.  Our politics is outside that stuff.

The few times a month I bother to scan National Review, I feel the same way as when I watch a B-movie from the 1980’s. Yeah, it reminds me of that time I got to second base with Sally Sugarpants, but the movie is still terrible. Even more so now. Reading one of the bugmen NRO employs to write copy, tub-thump about their principles, I wonder what it must be like to live trapped in amber. Conservative Inc is a Potemkin village, where the people carry on as if nothing has changed since 1984. It’s creepy.

There is a reason, beyond the financial considerations, why these people cling so tenaciously to the past. They have nowhere else to go. They have always lived in a world, whose map is a tiny intellectual zone dominated by the Left. Around it is a blank space labeled “Here Be Monsters.” Even for those who figure out that the old Left-Right paradigm is no longer relevant, their fear of what’s out there has them staggering around on the fringes of the old world, like homeless beggars looking for a place to lie down.

This probably explains some of the Bernie Bros too. They no longer can tolerate Progressive Globalism, but they fear association with the Right, so they have staggered over to 19th century socialism. They don’t really embrace Bernie Sanders or his anachronistic politics, but they have nowhere else to go. It’s a form of populism they can embrace, without changing parties and supporting Trump. The Bernie Movement is just a convenient doorway for them to sleep in while the world sorts itself out.

My sense is libertarians got a boost in the 90’s and 2000’s when Gen X and Millennial males decided that Clinton degeneracy and Bush stupidity were not their bag. Libertarianism was a safe place to hide. On the one hand, it allowed for mocking of the Left, but it also allowed for a rejection of Bush-style conservatism.  The reason libertarianism is now collapsing is that so many of those folks have made the trip over to the Dissident Right. Most of the alt-right is former libertarians, for example.

Still, there are a lot of people who broke with conventional conservatism in the Bush years, but remain lost in the wilderness. Rod Dreher and the people at American Conservative are good examples. A guy like Dreher gets that people like D’Souza are venal grifters and neocons like Jeff Flake are clueless airheads. He gets, to some degree, why Trump resonates with whites. The trouble is he remains stuck in that old Progressive paradigm, where politics is a binary world of Left versus Right.

The center remains to be grabbed by a politician (or political party) that can move to the left on economics while either moving to the right on social issues, or at least making a firm stand against the loony leftism that has taken over the Democratic Party. A tolerably center-right party would not necessarily campaign for socially conservative initiatives, but it would stop using the federal government to push the causes of the progressive fringes.

This is complete nonsense that only makes sense if you refuse to acknowledge the last 25 years of political history. He’s basically describing a less personally degenerate version of Clinton or a less violent version of Bush. In other words, unable to consider any of the areas outside the well mapped safe zones of conventional politics, lost souls like Dreher stagger around reinventing the same stuff over and over, with decreasing levels of enthusiasm. Even these so-called centrists get tired of the same gruel.

Dreher is not an exception. There are lots of people who find themselves wandering around unfamiliar terrain, but relying on the same old maps they got in the 1980’s. They are like people transported from that era, wearing thin ties and listening to Flock of Seagulls on their Walkman, baffled by the sites and sounds of the current age. They know the world has changed and is changing rapidly all around them, but they stubbornly cling to what they know, mostly out of fear of those monsters on the map.

As I’m fond of pointing out, a political map devised by 18th century radicals has little value today. The spectrum with Right at one end and Left on the other no longer exists. The political map is now ideological spheres that do not overlap in most cases. Where they do overlap is in the area of public policy and not ideology. You are either in the ideological camp based in biological realism or you are in the camp that embraces the blank slate and egalitarianism. If you reject both, you are a lost boy, staggering around in the darkness.

That’s the challenge for our team. The blank slate is taking on water, but that does not mean their members will rush to the life boats of the Dissident Right. As I pointed out in the most recent podcast, bringing these people out of the darkness is a slow process. They first have to come to terms with the fact that their political map is no more useful than a map of America from the age of sail. Of course, it also means punching holes in the old paradigm, making it hard for guys like Dreher to cling to those moderate fantasies.

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Dutch
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Blank slate people, one by one, are going to get figuratively or literally mugged by those blank slate peers that look and speak a bit differently than they do. Each one will be lost in the darkness for a bit of time, then come out the other side, which is where we are. Once rational self-interest kicks in, they have no place else to go. All we need to do, at this point, is maintain a halfway reasonable environment in which for them to land. The rest will take care of itself.

George Orwell
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Consider that tabula rasa is a civic religion for these lost boys, and people will suffer for their religion. Even being literally mugged won’t change their minds necessarily. Watching this play out will be instructive.

Optingout
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I call it Amy Biehl syndrome. Or pick any heinous Negro-on-White crime where the victim’s grieving wife or mother or child rushes to publicly “forgive” the utterly unrepentant criminal. Regrettably, a large number of Whites and churchians are so irretrievably deluded that they will continue proclaiming that they “don’t see color” as they’re drowning in their own blood. Please note I am prescribing nothing, merely predicting based on patterns I’ve criminally noticed.

George Orwell
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*walks into normie bar*
“On me, a round of Stockholm Syndrome for the house!”

Dutch
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Every time one of those scenarios plays out, there are plenty of other uninvolved “whites and churchians” who observe and begin looking around for alternatives to the kool-aid they have been drinking. Give them a reasonably “normal” alternative and they will take it every time. Not everyone, and not necessarily right away. But it will happen.

Allyn71
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Whites and “Churchians” need not be badgered nor bullied into your world view. They make up their own minds when it comes to race and culture.

Member

One of the causes is the creep of liberalism into religion. I can count on my hand the number of times that the wrathful justice of the Old Testament is mentioned publicly. I can’t even tell you how often I’ve heard, “Judge not. . .” Like the Bill of Rights and so much else, the Bible can be cherrypicked to the point of supporting the opposite of its actual words.

William nohmor
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The way you define team is very perplexing. First you say that the old red blue is over and I agree, but then you lose me where you narrowly define the teams. Are there only two teams? Are we lost in the haze if we don’t buy into every thing you believe? I like most of what you write but some things concern me. You seem super smart but you mix it in with a lot of leaps.you don’t owe me anything but I’m just being honest when i say i don’t always know where you are going.
Sharrukin
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There are differing factions within each of the two groups and they often disagree, but you either agree with the blank slate model…or you don’t.

What things concern you? Are they simply a hesitation to acknowledge an unpleasant and perhaps cruel reality, or more substantive?

William nohmor
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I don’t agree with the blank slate side in almost anything. I agree with the real world side but not everything.

Roulf
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Could you proved an example of something on the ‘real world side’ you don’t particularly agree with?

SWRichmond
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I just want to point out that, while it’s important to have these discussions, one will never find a political party with which one finds complete agreement, or (sadly) even majority agreement. We must not let that prevent us from engaging in politics, though that is a tempting reaction. It’s possible that the attraction of the libertarian party has been desire for small government. If I can’t have a government which is what I want, then I will take a government which is small enough to let me do most things my way. I am willing to consider that this… Read more »
Roulf
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Just to clarify, I have little interest in what most people think is the best way to handle healthcare or the economy. My question was more in reference to science than politics. The biological realism vs. blank slate question is fundamental to understanding if one is going to navigate through the cultural Marxist agenda and actually do battle against those who would bring the West to it’s knees. In his original post, William nohmor expressed to being a bit confused about this. If there are any doubts, misunderstandings or concerns, this is a good place to have that discussion.
Pimpkin\'s nephew
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He doesn’t have to ‘proved’ anything. He stated a point of view.

Roulf
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*provide. There, happy now?

I made no demands in my question. I was inviting him to open up about his concerns. Why flame me?

Willy Nohmor
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Sorry for the very late reply – I dont live on the internet and tend to think better if i think slower. I dont really disagree with anything on the real world side as long as the real world side is the team that thinks in a practical manner which hopes for a sane society. The imaginary world side disgusts me but not to the point where I want to see them harmed. The one thing that worries me – legitimately, about all of this rhetoric, is that it sometimes seems violent. And I dont strive for that and I… Read more »
Willy Nohmor
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ideologically, I am very clear, very committed. However, sometimes there is an undercurrent that is mean and violent and I dont like it. Dont get me wrong – I am ready to act – but I think the rhetoric is absurd and is driven by absurd propagandist media, Orwellian shit that fools most people, and the right and left – alt crap whatever – the labels are ridiculous. Choosing sides is for mindless followers. I get the Mike Tyson quote that game plans are great until you get punched but I feel we are rising and not falling. I think… Read more »
mark auld
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The new right / left divide is between biological realism and egalitarianism /blank slate. Well said indeed. I can chart my own course exactly as you stated. I am ready to draw sword and commence to slaying dragons.

SWRichmond
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There certainly are many sides. And feminism was always a blank slate. The most obvious thing about feminism is that feminists wanted to destroy the rules imposed by the patriarchal system (and they have done so) but they didn’t want the old rules overtly replaced by any new rules at all regarding women’s behavior. So young women are behaving as if they can do anything they want. Blank slate. And women are handling it horribly. (As a side issue, there has been speculation about the emotional basis for shit-testing being some innate need in women to be able to trust… Read more »
George Orwell
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Excellent comment.

Eclectic Esoteric
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Feminists fight biology – biology always wins. They are blind to the reality of their own defeat.

Member
The big divide is, as it always has been between those who exercise power and those whom it is exercised upon. The big change in the past decades is that the former has devised many more ways of splitting and dividing the latter. The most recent past best example of this was OWS and Tea Party whose overall goals were basically the same: Stop the looting by the banks and their political whores but the two groups were carefully positioned by the Media to be bitterly opposed to each other. We do seem to be enrering an extreme phase of… Read more »
Ivar
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There are universities to burn and cities to put to the sword. Let’s roll!

Ryan T
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Inside every normie is a race realist struggling to get out. So let’s get our heads and asses wired together and come on in for the big win.

Severian
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What’re you, some kind of a writer? You think you’re fuckin’ Mickey Spillane, Private Joker?

Alzaebo
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*rimshot* badda-k’ching!
I’ll be here all week, folks, enjoy the veal!

Julio
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may i please be the turd in the punch bowl?

it looks like the guy to the right of center is offering up his bitch for a price.

CaptainMike
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I have an author/professor friend who just left a good paying gig at “The Main Street Partnership” who wrote a well reviewed book (Rule and Ruin) on Republican moderation. I think he is currently wandering in the outer darkness. He and his inner circle are very afraid of the Alt Right. I hope he finds his way over.

Severian
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The fastest way to do it is with aesthetics. Consider that Amazon had to pull its ads for “The Man in the High Castle” from New York subways because their portrayal of Nazi America — blonde SS man and wife, well-scrubbed kids, happy dog with a swastika tag, a perfect suburban home — looked way too good. It was supposed to be frightening, but too many people were looking around at their fellow passengers and wondering what, exactly, was so bad about National Socialism. A clean, well-scrubbed, nicely uniformed movement — NOT Nazi-larper goonsv — would do wonders. If your… Read more »
Lorenzo
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Of course the contrast between the poster Nasties and the subway riders was a big part of You-Know-Who’s advertising and propaganda. It got things moving for him and his pals. Alas, Chad and Stacey would get, in the long run, what Jürgen and Elke got, not to mention what happened to Shmuel and Raisel.

Al from da Nort
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Sev; Agree about aesthetics-based appeals being effective. It is no accident, as Lenin used to say about everything, that idealized first world aesthetics appeal to first world audiences. And maybe that’s all we could hope to pull in. A critical majority for now. Those aesthetics were informed by historically Western ideas of beauty and order, which were largely Christian in origin, if not expression in the 1930s and ’40s. The actual Nazi’s hoped to have the fruit of the tree of Western Civilization while poisoning one of the key roots, namely Christianity because it looked like it might restrain them.… Read more »
Severian
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Agreed. Aesthetics can’t be the only appeal, but it’s the quickest and most effective opener. The Nazi aesthetic wasn’t sustainable in the long run, because it boiled down to “the feudal system with autobahns.” Contemporary critics saw this, of course, and called it kitsch — the famous “Degenerate Art Exhibition” was supposed to be a big failure, because it showed the German people how kitschy their art was versus the hot new stuff. And maybe so… in 1937. But nowadays, when “art” is fat lesbians rolling around in melted chocolate and menstrual blood while screeching about patriarchy, a kitschy Nazi… Read more »
Al from da Nort
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Actually, the US Army beat you to it. The semi-formal (Class A) uniform is now Union Blue. Papers could be written (and maybe even published) about whether surface reversion to older forms by a decadent polity is a sign of the end times 😉

Severian
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If Spengler (Oswald, not the joker from Asia Times or whatever) didn’t write something along those lines, he damn well should have. 🙂 But if the Army is wearing blue, what’s the Air Force wearing? (If we really want to bring back the good ol’ days, go back to brown like in WWII. Except the Navy. That Popeye-looking bib-overall thing was just hideous. You don’t need to go 3rd Reich and get Hugo Boss to design your threads, but *anything* is better than that!)

Al from da Nort
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To answer your question, the USAF now wears a lighter shade of blue (not pale) in the office and a brownish camo in the field. Some sort of tannish, ME pesthole blending, infra red diffusing color scheme, IIRC. Buht, if I mahy correct you, suh, the WWII era Army wore “OD Green” *field uniforms* aka ‘combat fatigues’, not any sort of disgusting brown. The OD stood for Olive Drab which was also worn up through the Vietnam era in the field. The idea was to blend in with most foliage. Works poorly in winter, hence the white over-pants and parkas… Read more »
Severiam
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Ugh – don’t know how I messed that up! The USAAF class As sure look brown in old photos, though. Which makes gray look more and more like a winner for our Militantly Normal Party’s working uniform. I’m not a fashionista, but we need to get someone with a good eye designing those things. Do they cover that in art school, I wonder — why do loser regimes always have the coolest threads? They may have been godless commie bastards, but the USSR had some sharp uniforms too.

BillH
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Pinks & Greens were officer attire. Enlisted uniforms were OD stem to stern. Wore Pinks & Greens my first two years of AFROTC, then four years after it was formed, USAF finally issued blue uniforms to AFROTC students.

Tamaqua
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Gotta be pedantic-until late 1944 the Army wore brown combat uniforms with those idiotic leggings, the OD#7 pattern jacket was based on, you guessed it, Wehrmacht feldbluses.

For the most part, the Army has been determined to impose some seriously bad fashion on soldiers, but I’m biased, because I am a Marine veteran, and our dress uniform has remained unchanged in essentials since 1910

Severian
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See, this is why I come here — I learn stuff.

Al from da Nort
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Me too

Ivar
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How do you equate the feudal system with a highly centralized totalitarian state?

Kentucky Headhunter
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Take that same picture and remove all the nazi imagery. Put the man in a regular suit, or work shirt and jeans. Update the clothes on mom and the kids. Fix the flags. Guess what. A significant number, if not an out-right majority of people would still find it “problematic”. Any celebration (hell, just depiction) of an intact/nuclear/white/hetero/middle-class family is automatically considered an assault on every other group that can be imagined.

Image linked here for those not familiar with it. Apologies if this is considered poor manners.

https://wordpress.com/post/whoresandale.wordpress.com/786

George Orwell
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Just look at a random selection of tv commercials. You would think the nation’s families are half biracial with the men being clumsy beta dorks and the women being grrrl power amazons.

Severian
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Right. Hence the uniform. “You want to call this problematic? Here’s what problematic **really** looks like! I’m not just a normal American who wants to be left alone, because I’ve tried that, and you still call me every name in the book. I’m a Militantly Normal American, and I WILL be left alone.” See what I mean?

Member

I’d like to know what your example is, but all I get from that link is: “You don’t have any WordPress sites yet. Would you like to start one?”

I’d rather just see the picture I was expecting; any chance you could post a jpeg?

Roulf
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Direct image link:

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George Orwell
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So revealing… You see? Normal happy white families are really Nazis. It couldn’t be more plain what the agitprop intends here.

George Orwell
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Smiling, cherubic white familes in clean, orderly suburban neighborhoods are ripe to be labeled Nazis. So, let’s give our imaginations a walk. How can we visualize the ideal prog family? Imagine an Asian tranny wife alongside a Hispanic husband in a bowling shirt with two black kids and a pit bull. Would that elicit howls of laughter? But you are not allowed to laugh at that, much less be horrified. How about adding antifa flags in the background? We are expected to despise a conception of white normality as fascist dystopia yet also required to celebrate every degeneracy as Progress.… Read more »
Kentucky Headhunter
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Try this.

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Sometimes my previous link works and sometimes it doesn’t. Sorry about that. I did test it before posting.

Al from da Nort
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Ha;

Love the Hitler salute by the doll. Artist had a sly sense of humor.

Mike@Mike.Mike
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Don’t forget about the doll and its Roman salute.

Ivar
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I got in a huge argument with my Old Man in the 1960s (he was blown up and badly burned in WW II). He was reading the paper and commented to me, “it probably would have been better if the Germans had won.” Of course his know-it-all son couldn’t believe the stupidity of that comment. Sorry, Dad, you were right yet again.

Member
My somewhat alternate take on a couple of points here: First, that Hannity rants on about Democrats being the real racists may be uninteresting, but it’s uninteresting to us those of us who read and explore beneath that surface-level understanding. Hannity and his like are gateways out of the Group Think and into places like VDare, AmRen, etc, and as such, they remain useful. I also don’t find that the left/right divide is irrelevant, merely that it is poorly understood and deliberately misused. For example, the religious types wind up on the right with fascists, for some reason; but the… Read more »
Sharrukin
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Libertarians want minimal government but they support liberals policies and are fine with radical changes to society due to their worship of capitalism. They are hardly on the right, nor are they conservative or traditional. Lack of governmental interference does not act as a reliable indicator either.

Fascists believe in tradition, hierarchy and state socialism and were anti-egalitarian.

Communists were radically egalitarian, anti-traditional, socialist, and usually had a defacto hierarchy despite ideological opposition to it.

Left/right, statism, economics…none of it really does the job to describe modern ideological reality.

We seem to be at sea.

cerulean
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We are at sea because we don’t have a movement we’re willing to give our loyalty to — loyalty of the kind people give to a union, a church, or a political party.

What we have is a realization that we don’t like the way things have gone. We have that realization vividly, in great detail, and with many examples, cross-referenced by our readings of the dissident pundits.

That realization is a necessary condition to making progress. But it is not sufficient.

Pimpkin\'s nephew
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“We are at sea because we don’t have a movement we’re willing to give our loyalty to — loyalty of the kind people give to a union, a church, or a political party.” If by “we” you mean non-Christian post-conservatives (I’m just guessing at the right nomenclature here) then yes, you are quite correct. It’s a real problem. Unions and political parties are dessicated hulks that no serious person could give loyalty to. The Church, however, remains a different matter. Sure, it’s in decay and overrun with leftist scoundrels. But it’s still an institution of the Word, and a loyalist… Read more »
cerulean
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PN, good comment. Yes, what’s our program?

james wilson
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Hannity is a drone. He and Limbaugh are sucking down oxygen and making the air stale for new talent. They haven’t had a thought in years, which is astonishing considering how much of interest there is to learn. Hannity is an example of the too busy life making a sterile mind.

Lorenzo
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All your new talent has to do is be more creative and interesting than Limbaugh or Hannity, then work for some years building a brand and reputation like those guys did. Then the new guys will knock the old ones off their perches, but not until then. I’m pretty sure Limbaugh, on his way up, didn’t waste much time complaining about how Howard K. Smith was using up all the oxygen.

james wilson
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Limbaugh was great once, which makes his present act so unfortunate. His own audience has been ahead of him for many years but staying on through loyalty. It’s sad. I don’t suppose radio is a medium with any future and new talent may have gronked that.

Member

We all know what they stand for, so expecting “new” thoughts (I’m assuming that’s part of what you meant) from people working the current events angle on a daily basis shouldn’t be what you expect. Like I said — gateways. Someone who hasn’t spent any time thinking about politics the way it’s done here or at JAG is going to have a hard time with that strong a dose.

Pimpkin\'s nephew
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+1000. Especially true of Hannity. Not a bad man, just annoying and counter-productive. In fairness, though, I’ll bet Rush and Sean get lots more death-threats than we do.

Member

“Most of the alt-right is former libertarians”…who realized importing a third world electorate is going to be a disaster.

How many Rs get sent packing in the midterm primaries will be a good indicator of the power of the alt-right to creep into mainstream R politics. If Trump kills DACA with a 6 month window for Rs in Congress to pass legislation…wow…that will be an interesting vote. How many Rs can survive a yay on amnesty in the midterm primaries?

Al from da Nort
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Z Man; The odd thing with a lot of Dreher’s followers on Am Conservative is their lack of arm’s length analysis and non-emotionally-driven (what some would call realist) discussion. I say this because I was roundly hammered for saying on a thread or two about our ME ongoing clusterfark something like, “On 9/12/01 Pres. GW Bush had a lot of critical decisions to make and not much time to make them.” I thought I was stating a simple, self-evident fact. But I was accused of being a neocon warmonger, etc. They apparently couldn’t grasp the simple point that decisions made… Read more »
Member

I believe that the center is now everyone who is sick of the Cloud People and their insane anti-reality, culturally poisonous ideas. By electing Trump they have pulled the emergency brake. What happens next is anyone’s guess, but recognizing the new center and what drives it is an essential start in getting our country back.

cerulean
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I agree with this. It provides a good response to my comment upthread about being at sea. At least it sets a direction.

Al from da Nort
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James; Excellent proposal for a preliminary organizing principle. I say preliminary only because we got to be for something(s) as well as against the Cloud Folk’s ideas. Q: *Why* are they able to press their obvious lunacy on the rest of us_? Blank Slatism is certainly part of the package. But why would anyone believe that after being cut from Little League_? I’d say it is because it’s part of a false religion*, and so not susceptible to ordinary rhetorical persuasion. So, how to combat a false religion_? I’d say employ the same methods the anti-Christian intelligentsia have used for… Read more »
Member

I agree. That’s why voices like Z’s are so important. They are saying loud and clear: STOP THE MADNESS, and at the same time offering rational arguments for realism as the only way forward if the country is not to be lost to the crazies. The Dirt People have been lied to for the past 60 years. Let’s support and encourage those who can reach them in larger and larger numbers with the truth.

Zeroh Tollrants
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First, show me someone in this country under the age of 50 or 60, that’s ever been cut from a Little League team, or has any idea what that means. My son is 27, and played Little League, and if you described the concept of cutting someone from the team to him, he’d look at you like you were nuts.

Al from da Nort
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ZT;
You’re actually serious_? Ce Moi; LL did me a really big, gotta get outta here, favor. You can call me Herr Oberst thanks to God’s blessing from this casual ‘oppression’.

Pimpkin\'s nephew
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The one-humped camel is now a two-humped camel. The center is in the same place, but there isn’t anything there.

Tamaqua
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Most non ideologues have to be pushed across the Rubicon. I’m a historian,and I have been waiting for the John Brown Moment to finally depopulate the center. After Charlottesville, I think the moment is approaching faster. People like Dreher are deluding themselves that compromise is going to bring out the “better angels of our nature” among the revolutionary left. It’s not quite 1859 again, but it took Harper’s Ferry to finally convince people like Col. R.E. Lee, a dedicated gentleman who avoided partisan politics, that it was time to choose a side in the face of a violent political movement.
fodderwing
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You nailed it, Tamaqua. Comfort confuses. Calamity clarifies.

Eclectic Esoteric
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The democrats are sliding down the rabbit hole of their own anomie, having created the public persona that they are antifa unmasked, not to mention DOJ investigations that are bound to culminate in indictments.

The identity crisis of conservatism has created a massive opportunity for brilliant and aggressive leaders to dictate the new narrative utilizing social media as a choke point to slough off the dead weight of useless and obsolete ways of thinking.

Zeroh Tollrants
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I wouldn’t hold my breath, waiting on those indictments…

Eclectic Esoteric
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I’m not, but there will be some token sacrifices to satisfy the palpable blood lust.

Casher
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What are you fighting for? That is the essence of the old Right-Left distinction. It’s not a progressive paradigm, its a metaphor from when the war was clearer. The Right fought for the old order (Ancien Régime). It was something ordered to specific goods, God and country, i.e., something that could be fought for. The first thing the revolution destroyed was orthodox Christianity and legitimate authority. (Think about what our historiography and entertainment – and for that matter your own metaphors – teach us to hate: religious dogmatism and divine right.) This is why whenever the left embraces Christianity it… Read more »
TomA
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Another false paradigm that needs to be debunked is the notion that we are going to talk our way out of this mess we’re in. Evangelizing and taking-the-long-view in hopes of spawning some sort of game-changing movement is not going to do any good if the house burns down first. Stupidity, hive-mindedness, and dependency are at epidemic levels, and attempting to convert the stupid is stupid. What we need is a new solution paradigm.

jbspry
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“My sense is libertarians got a boost in the 90’s and 2000’s when Gen X and Millennial males decided that Clinton degeneracy and Bush stupidity were not their bag. Libertarianism was a safe place to hide.”

Yeah. I actually joined the Libertarian party before the 2008 election. “Liberty”, right?
Then I saw that they had nominated Bob Barre as their presidential candidate, and that was the end of my Libertarian crush.
(The fifth-grade language and grammar they used in their writings and mailers didn’t help, either.)

Jimmy
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I have sympathized in the past with the ducks for this very reason. Nearly all of us have been there, cucking to a more or less degree and we need to have patience with those who take a little longer. These people are scared and they should be scared. There’s lots to be scared of. The idea of painting them as out and out cowards always sat uncomfortably with me. But I’ve been losing my patience ever since pussygate. What I found interesting about pussygate was it was clearly, almost undeniably a “scandal” that came from the GOP . Even… Read more »
George Orwell
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Never forget that Loyal Responsible Republicans like Hugh Hewitt actually called for Trump to withdraw after pussygate. These people really wanted Hillary in the White House.

Al from da Nort
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Yeah, this had all the earmarks of a deep state joint operation from the very beginning. It followed the pattern of the typical MSM election year anti-Republican sh*te-storm, but this time the hysterical shrieking was bipartisan. It was as though every Republican had gone hard-core PETA about the Romney dog-on-the-car-roof story in 2012. So, were the GOPe in on it ahead of time or just short-sightedly opportunistic (I know, I know, the latter doesn’t preclude the former.) Indicators: Convenient timing (= last sh*te-cycle has just played out), check; Appears stupid its face but is carefully crafted (i.e. DNC fingerprints) to… Read more »
Optingout
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Very well said. And endless patience in the face of onrushing catastrophe is not a virtue. As the old aphorism goes, it’s time for people to “sh$t or get off the pot.”

Zeroh Tollrants
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RepubliCucks are worse than Democrats/Leftists/Progressives/Commies/or whatever you want to call them.. There ares ZERO excuse for them, or their cucking, nor should you be granting them any patience or leeway to come around to “your way of thinking.” These people purport to be on our side, yet sabotage us, at every step. In essence, we are “sleeping,” with an even more dangerous, and certainly a more traitorous, enemy, in these cowards. We know the left will obstruct us and attempt to destroy us, at every turn, that is to be expected, but having your own party members either fail you… Read more »
Issac
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Though it’s fair to say Left/Right has become (or has long been, depending on how you’re accounting for derivatives) something of a facade, it still has nomenclature value with respect to branding. At the risk of sounding like one of the alt-lite snake-oil salesmen, I’d remind the audience that there are, by virtue of human cooperative/competitive nature, only ever two political entities of functional value. The best way to seed influence is to control both, but as my ethnic relations are illustrating today, that’s not very stable. Best to stick with merely influencing both, or controlling one while influencing the… Read more »
Joey Junger
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I think a lot of people on the right misread a large cohort of people they consider to be blank slate liberals. These people believe what you believe (or rather know what you know), but feel the social sanction or conflict brought on by making their thoughts explicit would make them…for lack of a better word…icky (the real crime of people who use the “N” word, for these types, is that they live in trailers or at least eat at Olive Garden). Dr. Kevin Macdonald’s “Implicit Whiteness” is not just NASCAR and country music. The people who listen to NPR… Read more »
Tim Newman
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A case in point: Tom Nichols is on Twitter disparaging Trump supporters as sweaty people in gyms with MAGA hats, and suggesting Trump doesn’t know what he’s doing by cancelling DACA. Of course, these so-called conservatives had no problem with Obama’s executive orders, and have no idea that the millions of Americans who are fed up with their shambolic immigration system even exist.

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One caution I would throw in is the problems there could be with declaring everything to be quantifiable in a world where such claims always end up hitting a wall sooner or later. One could look at blank slate theory as part of a long term battle, both physical and intellectual, against the mentality represented by the Domesday Book. Sometimes we swim in waters whose true undercurrents we have no clue of.

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I’ll admit to some real confusion on these matters, namely where the hell the Dissident Right is heading. The current system of carve outs, special rights, and tribal warfare has to lead to more internal conflict, violence, and eventual segregation if not secession. Is this just an accepted fact for the Dissident Right, with Alt-Right as the vanguard aiming to gain control? Or is there any faction of the DR looking to both cut free from the blank slate ‘everything is oppression so all must be punished’ progressivism and get rid of the police state being created to manage the… Read more »
Jimmy
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I appreciate this is from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution but if you take the two as both articulating the presumptive prevailing sentiment of the American founders. “We hold these truths to be self-evident (they are the opposite, deeply counter intuitive), that all men are created equal (they are not), that they are endowed by their Creator (almost certainly false) with certain unalienable Rights (definitely false, both the alleged inalienability and the innate endowment), that among these are Life (conscription was a feature of life in America from the get go, as has the right of the sovereign… Read more »
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Got it – Jimmy is a white nationalist leftist. Classic Progressive, Cultural Marxist, Post Modernist. On the old school ‘left is communist, right is fascist’ paradigm, he’s definitely ‘right’, but it leaves out Liberty as a conceptual possibility, and too much good has come from freedom to give it up because Jimmeh says its a farce. I’m for protecting and expanding the rights and liberties of Americans, and am anti-immigration. But just as mass immigration was the wrong way for the Boomers to atone for the ‘racism’ and ‘imperialism’ of their parents, so is the incitement of a race war… Read more »
Allan
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A. Livingstone, Jimmeh sez that the Declaration of Independence is larded with ludicrous nonsense fit for a Prog fanatic, and he is correct. Observe that the alleged equality of “all men” can’t be “self-evident” when it’s not even clear what is meant by “equal”. We might suppose, however, that the alleged equality includes an equal right to rule through agents or other form of representatives. Could this assumption be true given the obvious absence of equality of requisite intelligence, aptitude, energy, virtue, etc.? Of course not. Where there is no ability to rule, there can be no right to rule.… Read more »
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First, let me be clear that in my original post, I referred not to the high minded idealism of the Declaration, but to the written law that was to set the standards by which the government was to be restricted, giving far more latitude to local governance and individual liberty than any set of laws before or since. And I stated in my response that I was referring to the original Republic, not the judicially mangled mess with all of it’s penumbras and permutations since, though I am largely in line with the properly executed Amendments. That said, the DoI… Read more »
Jimmy
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“This, of course, was a fine statement for people to get behind, but it’s not the law of the land, but a national ethic to be pursued.”

And yet it is the ethic that is sovereign. Where is gay marriage in your constitution? Affirmative action? Abortion? Right to immigrate to thr usa? Its right there in the DoI.

Curiouser and curiouser.

But the law says! Is it possible the United States is…lawless?

Yes, Virginia, it is.

james wilson
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The Declaration is a manifesto. The Declaration’s stain of equality is largely misunderstood, which serves to make it a greater stain. The Constitution is an attempt to make amends for that offending document. Tom Paine was a revolutionary by temperament and went on to other revolutions complete with heads on pikes. Jefferson, among others, was also a fan. The Federalists backed away from revolution with speed. The anti-Federalists were always solidly suspicious. But the barn door had been opened. The Declaration is a religious document, and Americans are evangelicals to the bone.

Optingout
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Making political rhetoric from the 18th century the equivalent of holy scripture does not make one a realist or a member of the alt-right. In my books it makes one a patriotard.

Jimmy
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I’m very proud of already earning a nickname on this site! I’m afraid I didn’t join this movement because I was afraid of being called names. I have no particular opinion on the jews but it’s interesting…some might say telling, that you immediately went there. Perhaps you could just call me a Nazi grab your black balaclava and be done with it? I’d hate this to devolve into a “no you’re a leftist!” Pissing contest but I must object. Your childish understanding of freedom as something akin to elves or fairy dust sprinkled on a chosen people by the gods… Read more »
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We have reached an interesting place when French and McInnes can plausibly be placed in the same sentence on the same side like that. I can just about see it, but that’s the speed. I’m 46, so GenX. I’m also in another country. So on the one hand I grew up into Reaganaut, Cold war conservatism with a paleo tinge after a while. Burke and Kirk. It’s still my preference, although that already puts me far right of Boomer Consensus.. And I deal fine with non-white people. But I’ve never, as an outsider, had the Constitution and DoI reverence, and… Read more »
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Like I said, I don’t trust you. I don’t know what you stand for beyond whiteness. Fine, I remind you of mainstream Conservatives, which you made clear is as abhorrent to you as it would be if I’d called you Nazi (which I didn’t). The first thing you did was take what I said and twist it to argue against the Declaration. As did the others in the thread. Fine – it’s a beautiful statement that has been twisted – by you and others – to fit the needs of a variety of movements. It wasn’t my point, but you… Read more »
Jimmy
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I don’t like to use this card as it’s so cheap and cucky but in my case it’s true. I use it not to defend myself against your charges but because it immediately mocks so much of your argument. My wife is a Punjabi sikh. I self interestedly don’t oppose all immigration but I certainly think it should be very tightly controlled and limited to assimable, high iq populations. Anyway continue about how evil and scary I am. Continue explaining the finer points of “created equal” to your prog superiors. Oh and a non bitchy one: read some Moldbug among… Read more »
Jimmy
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John Derbyshire has an Asian wife…is he a white totalitarian too? Btw if you’ll call me a white nationalist and a totalitarian are we not arguing the moral toss at you calling me a Nazi?

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The heart of my comment was ‘where is the Dissident Right heading? what is the end game?’ And in all of your responses, you have not offered up any semblance of an alternative, only a rejection of the Declaration as facile, the Constitution as ineffectual, then a half hearted ‘oh, but we’re really friends cuz we’re both white bruh, my people uber allies’. your positive vision tip of the hat at the end is an admission that in spite of going ugly early, you have no vision, no plan, and no respect for anything that we’ve inherited as a nation,… Read more »
Jimmy
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White nationalism, even HAN NATIONALISM would be better than this fiasco. Hows that foe leftism for you? Bring on Xi Jingping if it will end this descent into the abyss.

I’d rather salute the party than kiss the ring of the least civilised people on the planet given license to indulge whatever deranged fantasy pops onto their head.

Sigh. Yes indeed I am running out of patience with the Livingstones of the world.

D&D Dave in the Bubble
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D&D Dave in the Bubble

I didn’t even need to read any further into Dreher’s statement to see what nonsense it was.

“The center remains to be grabbed by a politician (or political party) that can move to the left on economics….”

Yes we would be so much better off if we only follow Paul Krugman and Keynesian economic policy…….right into the toilet. Bravo.

Peter
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I think the big divide as Derb has pointed out it is between nationalists and globalists. There are alot of other fault lines as well such as blank slate vs genetic determinism, traditional vs progressive, but to me this is most salient, I do wonder how many NR types truly fall into the globalist camp. I read Jonathan Cole on Taki mag state that alot of NR types read vdare and alternative sites and secretly agree with much of what they have to say, but owuld never publicly admit it.

Dutch
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They all go together. Genetic determinism goes with nationalism and tradition. Blank slate goes with globalism and progressivism. The thing is, genetic determinism is something you are born with. The national-global and tradition-progressionism trade-offs are intellectual choices. The genes are something you are born with and ultimately immutable. That’s why I would place genetic determinism vs. blank slate at the top of the list.

james wilson
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All advances in civilization are anti-instinctual, but we have arrived a point where it is the formal rejection of instinct which is anti-civilizational.

SpongeBob
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Zman, in some sense you already touched on this point but there is a subset of people out there from a cross the spectrum, from old-school conservative Inc boomers to crunchy Birkenstock wearing liberals who are all in the same predicament. They all secretly realize that the path they are on, conservative inc, crunchy liberal, gibbsmedat boomer is suicide. Yet they are frozen into inaction because they realize that the life they have built, their entire perception of the world will shatter and become as ephemeral as the smoke from their world view as it burns to the ground. To… Read more »
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Bob, there are a lot of Ben Franklins out here, hoping to avoid bloody revolution, and a lot of Lenins on the alt-right looking to foment one. I’m among those who would rather not light it up because the more vocal identitarians are as Bolshevik as they are anything else. What comes next is the question they never want to answer, and for people with kids, looking at one side saying its time to oppress whitey, and the other side saying ‘trust me, we’ll figure it out after we win the race war’, there is no side to stand on,… Read more »
SpongeBob
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You point sounds reasonable on the surface however, I believe that as was said up above, these events are far larger than all of us and are already well underway. The west has been broken with “diversity”, there is no putting those pieces back together. The inherent conflicts are at the most base levels and cannot be squared. Purges will occur, the left openly calls for them already and history shows time again that it is not the “reasonable” middle that decides events. the middle simply goes along with the victor. Thats not to suggest I want any of this,… Read more »
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Wholeheartedly agree, the question is how far down the path we really are. Some, like the replies to my post above and their kissing cousins BLM/AntiFa/LaRaza/CAIR/LGBTQWhatever are fanning the flames, when in my life spent criss crossing a good part of this country I just don’t see the fire to match the smoke. In fact, I’d be far more concerned if I lived in Toronto or Montreal. The takeover by truly hostile groups is undeniable, and there is no appetite to protect any of their heritage as a Commonwealth nation. History isn’t a straight line, so I can’t bring myself… Read more »
Dutch
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You touch on two important things here. One is that out there in the world, the Antifa/BLM/La Raza stuff doesn’t hold much weight with most people. Attach the Left to them, and the battle is half won, people don’t like crazy. And the Establishment Left is cooperating here, by giving lip service to the crazies. Two is that the Dissident Right isn’t a skin color or a set of specific policy initiatives. It is an idea of what America and being an American is about, and it can serve as a very big tent when the alternative choices are batshit… Read more »
Black Flag Jackson
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The funniest part of that Dreher wishlist is that it is mostly embodied in the person of Donald Trump. Trump’s trade and manufacturing stances make him sound far more like an old union democrat than a country club Rockefeller republican, and he pretty much ignores the social issues while allowing conservative republicans to capitalize on the gains they’ve made in state and local offices. When he does wade into the culture war quagmire, he typically takes a common sense approach that is approved of by most Americans while leaving out the moralizing. Take the trannies in the military issue. He… Read more »
Anonymous White Male
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Has anyone tried to go to Anonymous Conservative’s website today? I keep getting access denied messages. Is he the next White-Supremacist-Fascist-Hater that had to be banned?

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I’m not sure we can get to biological realism if we are going to have trouble getting to realism. If the dysfunction ind Detroit, Chicago, and Baltimore has at its root the destruction of the black nuclear family, but either you can’t say that because it is racist, or (like DACA) consider it to be too cruel to stop the have-a-kid, get-a-check for mothers (and if the father is in prison or can’t even get minimum wage you can’t discourage child support – jail them all you want but then another cruelty, debtors prisons where we force them to do… Read more »
Zeroh Tollrants
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I’ve had it up to my eye teeth with D’Souza and his, “Dems are the real fascists,” bullshit clogging up my Twitter timeline. It’s bad enough I follow too many Conservative normies on there, but I don’t need them all continuously re-tweeting this garbage, 24/7. How much longer is this promo bonanza expected to last? From what I’m being told, there was also a period of time in the past, where D’Souza was shtupping Laura Ingraham, that I also somehow know nothing of, anyone else have info on that? If half the rumors I’ve read online about that poor woman… Read more »
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Re: “A guy like Dreher gets that people like D’Souza are venal grifters and neocons like Jeff Flake are clueless airheads.” ZMan, would you mind explaining why you are so tough on Dinesh D’Souza (Jeff Flake I don’t know and don’t care about)? Perhaps I am the clueless one here, but I don’t see what he’s done to merit the opprobrium you heap upon him. Unlike most people who identify as conservative or part of the opposition to the cultural Marxists, D’Souza has paid heavily for his willingness to plant his ideological flag and defend it. His film, “Obama’s America”… Read more »
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