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If science suddenly noticed that birds were laying fewer eggs, they would ring the alarm and warn of a coming bird-pocalypse. The assumption would be that humans were doing soemthing to make the birds unable to reproduce. The same would be true of any species that saw its fertility decline. The starting assumption of biology is that all living things are built primarily to reproduce. That is the biological imperative. With one exception, a drop in an animal’s fertility must be due to some exogenous factor. That exception is humans.

In the West, human fertility rates have steadily fallen for over a half century. This is celebrated by our betters as the hallmark of human progress. Anytime the subject of fertility rates is raised, the knee-jerk response is to start hooting about women being more educated and having more options. The underlying assumption is that stupid people have lots of kids while smart people have few children. The implication of this is that the people who built Western Civilization were stupid, because they had high fertility rates.

The whole “women are more educated” argument is not really an effort to understand why fertility rates, especially white fertility rates, have fallen. Rather, it is an effort to not understand it. It is a deliberate distraction, a way of shifting the focus from a problem that cannot be addressed by the Left, whether it is the materialist Left of Europe or the spiritual Left on America. To even acknowledge that the purpose of women is to have children gnaws at the extreme egalitarianism that animates the Western Left.

To some degree, efforts to level off fertility in Europe make sense. There are lots of people on the Continent who don’t always get along with one another. Generations of warfare pounded home the message that stable societies, respectful of national borders, is the way to keep the peace. Keeping fertility rates at something just above replacement was an understandable goal. In America though, that’s not an issue. The country is mostly empty space with lots of room to expand. Americans should be breeding like Africans.

It really is an odd thing that has happened in America over the last fifty years. Starting in the 1960’s, motherhood became something close to a badge of shame with our cognitive elites. This rather quickly oozed into the the upper classes and then the middle class. As a result, public policy has been altered to discourage childbearing. Just look at the hysterics from Progressive women anytime they don’t get their way. They immediately start howling about how they will not get easy access to abortions and free prophylactics.

This came to mind when I saw a tweet by the left-wing political science professor George Hawley, commenting on the GOP tax bill. He linked to an essay he posted about public policy and fertility rates. For those familiar with this territory, the points he makes and the errors he commits are all familiar. France may have a TFR of 2.08, but the French people do not have that TFR. The invader population has rocket high fertility rates, but the French, well, not so much. Steve Sailer touched on one aspect of this in a Taki post.

A similar pattern, though less pronounced, is seen in the US. White fertility rates are below replacement, while black fertility is still above replacement. Although the homicide rates among blacks probably requires a different definition of “replacement.” Hispanics have the highest fertility rates. In other words, simply looking at TFR for a country that is slowly being overrun by a third world population will lead to errors. In majority white countries, the salient issue is not TFR, but white fertility rates, relative to the whole.

Putting that aside, we return to the original question. Two questions, actually. Is it simply that whites are choosing to die out or have whites simply wandered down a cul-de-sac, in terms of public policy, that is having adverse effects on white fertility? One way to tease this out is something that Steve Sailer did after the 2012 election. He looked at how white women voted, relative to their marriage habits. In places where white women can and do marry, stay married and raise children, whites vote Republican.

Another way of putting this is that where affordable family formation is highest, you get more families. Despite being run by a cult, Utah is a wonderful place to raise a family. It is like the set of Leave It To Beaver, but the size of a European country. At the other end, a state like Massachusetts is wildly expensive and hostile to family formation. Those who do choose to marry and start families, often move to other states. The decades long migration, north to south and east to west, has largely been driven by cost of living.

None of this answers the basic question. Is it crackpot public policy driving down white fertility or is some weird desire for extinction? The latter is impossible to know, so the prudent course is to assume the former is the correct answer. That’s basic logic. This means any movement that is explicitly for preserving the nation’s racial character should promote public policies that are explicitly and overtly pro-family. That is the part of Hawley’s post that is correct. The GOP should be fanatically pro-family, not pro-business.

This especially holds for the dissident right. The alt-right is all over the map on public policy, because they get bogged down squabbling over aesthetics. Oddly, the best thing they could do, in terms of “optics”, is cast themselves as the extreme end of the pro-family spectrum. Redefining pro-women to mean pro-mother would go a long way toward rallying white Americans to their cause. After all, being for something always trumps being against something, even when the thing you oppose is awful. Positive always beats negative.

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Matt
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The right can be *BOTH* pro-family and pro-jobs. Since business gives us the jobs that means pro-business. The challenge is to do a much better job making the case they are about both.

This is where the Senate is wrong about waiting a year for tax cuts for business. They don’t have a year to give. They need results to crow about this coming summer & fall.

Drake
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Yes. They aren’t mutually exclusive. And, if real businesses (not just high-tech and finance) start to grow, they’ll probably look for the less expensive parts of the country to do it in.

Dutch
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Jobs and family go together.

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Oh, I dunno. You can cut the unemployment rate in HALF if all women are required to be homemakers. Boom, all women, automatically are now employed.

Let the REEEEEEE-ing commence though. The whining and the bitching and the moaning….

bad guest
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Absolutely, but you can’t REQUIRE women to do anything. They do what they want, and what they want is to be free……..free to act like men and chase lots of sex partners and have “careers” – after a fashion, because as most of us know when they get into the work place they generally spend as much time causing problems and working to change the organization’s goals to include being the kind of place women want to work. to paraphrase some other Z blog contributor. None of that is going to change. I believe that we are in an interlude… Read more »
Ivar
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Can’t put the genie back in the bottle, I agree. Salvation lies in collapse. If somehow, the Establishment manages a soft landing, thinking people will be facing a steady-state Hell from which there is no escape.

To me it seems obvious that system failure is at hand, but I was certain that the white uprising would have happened by 1995 as well. I hope I’m wrong, but it seems as if the white man is going to go quietly, without causing a fuss, in the finest tradition of Midwestern manners.

Member

The businesses that the GOP if “Pro” has destroyed more American jobs in the past couple of decades than they have created.
Job creation is primarily a function of small businesses not the globalist corporations that own the political filth.

Toddy+Cat
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“It’s OK to be White and have kids” is probably something almost everyone on the Right could agree with, except possible Milo and Jason Lee Steorts…

thekrustykurmudgeon
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From what I know, the fertility rate would reach replacement level if the women who have zero children had one child each. It’s not like we have to have a lot of people having 5+ children.

Anonymous White Male
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As I understand it, it takes two people to create one offspring. Therefore replacement level would be two per woman. Assuming no polygamy.

Karl McHungus
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parthenogenesis

Ursula
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But maybe we should encourage whites to have 5 children each… and then go and conquer Africa. Battle the Africans, defeat them and let the remainder succumb under their own failed governance while whites breed like rabbits and make Africa our own… I like this fantasy of mine… We whites need to lose our passivity! The world would be better for it.

Sam
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Women ARE having fewer children because they are “more educated”. A woman’s prime fertile years are spent in college studying bullshit and having pointless, promiscuous sex while on the pill. Going to college lowers female fertility.

ChiefIlliniCake
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I live in what Charles Murray calls a “super zip” (I’m in the poor part of town, FYI) and I can tell you firsthand that the place is LOADED with women who wasted their prime child-bearing years “studying bullshit and having pointless, promiscuous sex while on the pill”, as you so succinctly put it. And always chasing the “thrilling” career. They then had to over-correct, scrambling to marry somebody (anybody) since the expiration date on the old ova was fast approaching, found themselves hip deep in both trying to work to keep the big expensive life going and provide some… Read more »
Al from da Nort
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Chief;
Have to agree. Once again, in Cloud Land, what’s catnip for the rich and connected is destruction and impoverishment for the working classes. Also Charles Murray.

Under the elders, American society was run for the benefit of the middle classes. Now it’s run for the benefit of the elite. Hence Trump.

Anon
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No, I don’t think American society was ever run for the middle class—the elite have always looked out for themselves first (mass voluntary WASP cucking in the late 20th century notwithstanding). But the elite were more connected with and concerned about the general public in earlier times because the U.S. was ~90% white with a shared culture. The cost of living point is an important one: why is it so hard to make a decent living these days? 1. Mass immigration artificially inflates the population and increases demand for housing, raising prices. This is especially true of the big cities… Read more »
Brigadon
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I wouldn’t say they were ‘more connected’, they just knew which side their bread was buttered on.

Travel has become too easy. They are convinced when they finish draining this country, they can move on to the next.

Karl McHungus
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prog government regulations have strangled tons of GDP.

Ursula
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Most importantly, and the main reason they’re here, mass immigration artificially suppresses wages. That’s happened in almost all fields in the U.S. Wish they’d replace the talking heads on cable with underpaid immigrants, would be amusing and serve them right. May have unintended consequence of higher ratings.

Saml Adams
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Live in one of those same zips right outside of NYC. Watch it happen all the time. We made the opposite decision between #3 and #4. Was prescient. When two ended having LD my wife was able to intervene and turn what generally ends up as shit show into amazing successes. On the other hand we’ve watched people who can’t be bothered to deal with the same situations because they need to upgrade the house in the Hamptons have very, very different and sometime tragic outcomes. Gotta decide what is important.

Din C. Nufin
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If corporations start having children, the Republicans will adopt a pro family posture immediately.

Tax Slave
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If George Soros starts throwing millions around in support of leftist destruction, lazy useless Internet trolls will heed the higher calling to copy and paste talking points.

scott
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When the West gave up on listening to the One who said, “Be fruitful and multiply,” it started giving up on the being fruitful and multiplying part. Nihilism leads to nothing, including no future.

Bob
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Anywhere the Mormons are in large numbers, it is a nice place to live. Not despite them, but because of them.

Member

They’re annoying, but they won’t break or steal your stuff. You can live next to one and relax.

BillH
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Flew with them, bunked with them, neighbors many times in several states. Now in the twilight years, they live across the street and over the back fence years. Best people ever, just can’t accept some of their beliefs. But, that’s never presented a problem in all these years.

StephUF
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My dad was a USAF Col, pilot, squadron commander, etc. Always said Mormons were his best men.

Al from da Nort
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Steph;
Hand salute to your dad.

Tax Slave
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I do. They’re the best kind of neighbors one could hope for.

De Ferrers
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Bob
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It very well might be true. Or it might be all the Californians moving into Utah. Or both. It doesn’t differentiate.

Also, reading those comments, nobody picked up that it was US fertility going down, not world fertility. They don’t seem to notice that the Spanish population in the US is growing rapidly and the white population is shrinking. Or that the African population is exploding and the European population is disappearing.

Ivar
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I doubt that the Spanish population is significant at all. The Mestizo population is significant.

A.B. Prosper
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The TFR in Utah which has the highest rate in the USA is only a tiny bit above replacement, 2.2 and retention among Mormons and Evangelicals is quite low. Despite a massive influx of non Whites and vast domestic efforts, the LDS church is not growing very much. Evangelicals after a generation aren’t all that fertile either with low retention That said if you had well paid work for the working and middle classes with decently paid housing and no Cultural Marxism , err College degree required the TFR would edge up a bit To do that though will require… Read more »
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Here’s a proposal for a tax policy – 50% tax rate for singles, going up to 75% if you’re over 30 and single. 15% tax rate if you stay married for more than 5 years, 30% tax rate until then.

I would be curious to see who would come out of the woodwork to REEEEEEE over it. Curious and amused.

Severian
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Silly Mustache Guy actually did have, or at least propose, a tax on being single IIRC. There certainly were lots of tax breaks for children, with benefits proportional to family size. He was right about that, at least. And dogs. The guy loved dogs. No wonder Leftists are all crazy cat ladies…

Member

Funny how nobody ever bothers to read the policy white papers of anyone these days. For example, Roy Moore’s white paper policies are almost word for word identical to Trump’s. Now I’m kinda curious what the NSDAP white paper policies were. I don’t see it in their so-called “25 point plan”. Except for their anti-Jew policies most of their other policies wouldn’t bother a mention in today’s era. Old age pensions? Strong borders? Help small business?

Can you point out where the NSDAP had a tax proposal on singles?

Severian
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It wasn’t in the 25 points, which I don’t think anybody remembered for more than 25 seconds after they were written, Hitler included. Says here they encouraged childless couples to divorce, not that they taxed bachelorhood, but it confirms the other stuff (tax breaks, marriage loans, etc.). I seem to recall it being discussed, but evidently never passed.

james+wilson
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A civilization not advancing is in decline, and populations generally follow along that path. First century Greece was depopulated. But subsidizing incompetent people for reproduction has never been done before and will compress timelines exponentially. Perhaps that is not entirely a bad thing.

Tamaqua
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Himmler’s SS. Single men paid more taxes as an incentive for his racial elite to start cranking out more aryans.

Families were also given tax breaks as well as first dibs on consumer goods and modern housing. They even gave prolific mothers a medal.

See Evans “The Third Reich in Power” for a look at the positive incentive program for increasing “racially valuable” stock.

A.B. Prosper
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That didn’t help.

When Romania tried the same thing, going so far as to have soldiers rape women to get babies , they couldn’t make people parent

20 years later, Ceausecu ended up executed

You can’t make people want to parent.

I

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The post-war Soviet Union had a tax on childlessness, too.

calsdad
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Seriously – WTF. Haven’t we had enough of the government manipulating society? Here’s an idea: absolutely NO government welfare of ANY kind. That way we won’t be taking money from people who work and might want to have a family – and dumping it into the pockets of people who sit around and do nothing and inevitably outbreed the workers. (substitute white for workers if you must) Don’t you pay any attention? What is the likelihood that the government – given it’s infestation with progressive thinkers – is ever going to impliment what you’re talking about? How the hell is… Read more »
Drake
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You some kind of libertarian wacko?

Just kidding, I agree. Way too many social engineers in these comments.

Al from da Nort
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S.C.
Something like this based on having dependents (i.e. kids) drive your income tax *rate* is a better suggestion than most for saving social security and medicare. For example, no kids *at home* = no refundable tax credits (stealth welfare via the IRS). 2 kids = neutral tax rate. Over 35 with no kids = tax surcharge %

Simple rhetorical sell: Since SS & MC are paid by current workers, why should anybody drawing benefits while childless get to free-ride by not replacing the current workers they are drawing from_?

calsdad
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Why the hell is every suggestion here a recommendation to screw around with the tax code? Fer Kryste’s sake: Look back thru history – white people were having nice big families when there was NO income tax – and the Federal government at least was small enough that I’ve heard it said that the average US citizen only came into contact with the Feds when the Post Office delivered their mail. The fact that the only solution to the problem that anybody seems to come up with relies on the Federal government and the tax code – sounds like an… Read more »
Al from da Nort
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Cal;
Absolutely true. But you head for the future with the sorry-assed government you have and not with the night watchman government you wish you had

calsdad
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Exactly.

Which is why any solution that involves the government is never going to work and is utopian (progressive type) thinking in the extreme.

If you want to fix the future you’re going to have to deal with reality. And the reality is that government is the problem – not the solution.

Reed Hill
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Make the per child tax credit very generous and deductible against income tax only but not payroll taxes. That way you aren’t paying net outflows of money to people who already don’t pay income tax. Some Leftist federal judge would probably rule it unconstitutional.

A.B. Prosper
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I know its a modest proposal in the Swift sense but taken seriously this would cripple early family formation, people could not save to get married.

On top of that you’ve just ruined a lot of lives most of whom are young. Young people do violent revolt not old people.

Guns are cheap too.

Of course a complete purge of the ruling class might prove to be a good thing for all concerned . I’d rather do it with elections. I’m too old for the other option

Member

Augustus tried similar measures that failed.

Severian
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Yeah, but then the Left starts screaming about Silly Mustache Guy and his Order of German Motherhood (or whatever it was) where they gave you a medal for having more kids, Lebensborn, and all the rest. Forget the war’s physical damage; SMG destroyed whatever part of Western intellectual life survived the trenches. SMG was the true face of their beloved collectivism; they knew it; and so Western “intellectuals” have devoted themselves to being against whatever he was for and vice versa. With the result, as Orwell (?) predicted, that when Fascism comes to America, it will call itself antifascism. As… Read more »
De Ferrers
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People rarely discuss the other side of this equation. Men are checking out of society rapidly, especially from having families. There are few incentives to buy into a commitment of providing resources to western chicks that turn around and start 90 percent of the divorce proceedings. The legal problems are compounded by the feminist societal attitudes and constantly lecturing of the worthlessness of men. The other part not mentioned when it comes to female education: chicks don’t marry down. My sister wouldn’t dream of it as a grad student, nether did the women I met in grad school. And now… Read more »
Bob
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A thousand times this. Don’t forget all the tv shows and movies that go out of their way to make childrearing look like torture. Thanks Hollywood.

Member

Dalrock explains it the best – marriage has been replaced by child support quotas in practice. The facade of marriage is still there, but under the hood, it’s all been swapped out. Anyway, the current system is high on coercion and low on incentives. Incentives always work better than coercion (see: Soviet Union) and the declining productivity of men is a direct result of this switch from the carrot to the stick.

I’d also mention Roosh’s article about the single male minimum wager too: http://www.returnofkings.com/83983/its-becoming-easy-for-single-men-to-drop-out-and-live-on-minimum-wage

Issac
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Which, paradoxically, harms them more than the men they’ve spurned. It’s quite typical for a man to find his stride in career mid-30s and then marry a woman a decade or more his junior. Such a union can still form a large and healthy family. Conversely, a woman who hits 35 childless is overwhelmingly likely to remain childless into her menopausal sterility. The women who have checked out are simply re-instantiating the patriarchal system by which older men are inclined to (now, more forced to) seek out younger women in a state of better reproductive health. Men with the propensity… Read more »
Karl Horst (Germany)
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Part of this has to do with so many kids being brought up in broken homes or in homes where both parents worked – they simply don’t want that to happen to their kids. The millennials are the best example and my heart goes out to them. The majority of these kids have been “raised” by two working parents who tossed them into daycare before they turned 1-year old and they quickly became secondary to everything else their parents wanted or cared about. They were rewarded for everything, held responsible for nothing, and raised to believe everyone owed them something.… Read more »
Sergey
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It’s all sounds reasonable, but: how humanity managed to survived wars, with all the war widows? Six out of every ten men died between 1917 and 1945 in Russia. The country is still there. The fertility rate in the 1950s was at about three children per mother. I have a little psychological theory in place. Women are worriers. They are incredibly anxious, because, well, the world is a very harsh place for women to live, especially if she’s pregnant or caring for an infant (which was a normal part of the female condition through the history). Gladly, there is a… Read more »
Tax Slave
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Only problem in Western Europe (aside from the Muslim invasion) is that if you left population decline to run its course then the welfare state would collapse in short order. Then who might arise from those ashes? Any guesses?

De Ferrers
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Population isn’t going to decline, but the social welfare schemes will collapse. Our wonderful rulling class will pretend bringing in low Iq, net negative migrants with no skills will pay to save grandma’s social security.

A.B. Prosper
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Even Muslim populations in Germany don’t have many kids after a generation. Gastarbiters (guest workers) have about the same fertility as natives Most of the people in Germany that are foreign are other Europeans, Bosnians and the like with a mix of others, none of whom are functionally German That said even if you deported all “foreigners” from Europe it won’t help. Automation makes filling the actual demand for goods need little labor and given labor is how people make a living… Machines mean less babies, Its been that way since the 70’s with it just starting in the 30’s… Read more »
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The lowest of the low birth rates in the U.S. are in urban white-topias like Manhattan and San Fran. Economically and culturally, they are terrible places to have children. When this thing (I really don’t have a name for it anymore… maybe I should just start calling it the Abomination of Desolation) collapses, and assuming that we still have something that looks like an industrial civilization, bulldoze the cities and salt the earth they stood on. We really haven’t needed them since the Interstate system was completed, and we need them even less when the Internet lets you put your… Read more »
Al from da Nort
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El B; On a purely logistical note, it simply won’t do to scrap (most of) the cities in America. Sure the interstates go around them, but water transport (mostly barge) is *still* the lowest cost of shipment per ton-mile by far, followed by pipeline (fluid goods only), followed by rail, only then truck. Most cities in the world, other than elite vanity projects (e.g. Brasilia), are where they are on account of logistics, aka convenient trade routes. And for the military control over those trade routes that is provided by controlling those locations. Usually, their raison d’être was that they… Read more »
PRCD
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Why is so much of the waterfront in our deep water ports unused? In San Francisco, there are rotting piers, quay walls, and warehouses everywhere.

calsdad
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Because container shipping and an efficient rail system (once the government regulations were curtailed) – has led to larger container ports and left behind a lot of the “traditional” ports. So far – nobody has come up with a good industrial use for all of those ports – so they’re getting replaced with fancy waterfront residences for high-earning progressive city dwellers.

Observer
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Women are social creatures. They look to the herd for their standards of morality & status. In the West, universities & mass media set the moral & status standards for the herd. Universities & the media have been run by irreligious leftist ashkenazi Jews since the 1960s. Young motherhood is low-status because these universities & media outlets declare it to be so. Communities that keep Jewish media out of their homes & their girls out of mainstream, Jew-led colleges still have children. This includes mormons, crazy evangelicals, Muslims & even Orthodox Jews. Family friendly tax & work policies will not… Read more »
calsdad
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Trying to pin down the lack of white family formation and breeding to just one thing is going to be hard I think – unless you want to pin it broadly on progressivism. “Society” has been telling women for quite some time to get educated. Going to school takes out at least 4 good reproducing years. It likely takes out much more because once you get the education – you need to pay it back (means need a job) – and you also get an attitude in your head of “I need to take advantage of my education” Which very… Read more »
Ivan
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I summed it up pretty well over a thanksgiving dinner:

A society which classifies men attracted to 16 year old girls as pedophiles and celebrates anal sex, homosexuality, and transgenderism is fundamentally a culture of suicide.

Dr. Dre
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Did anyone at the dinner table know how to perform the Heimlich maneuver? Did you “sum” this up before or after dessert? What topics!! Conversational dynamite, I would say. (You have cojones of steel;-)

DLS
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Materialism is driving this train. Women waiting longer and having less kids is partially about wanting careers, but also about accumulating wealth they don’t need. Men have the same issue. Plus the free sex they can now get from “liberated” women gives them little incentive for children. Two of my favorite quotes: “Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don’t need.” – Tyler Durden (Fight Club) “But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if… Read more »
calsdad
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Women compete with each other thru wealth. When their man isn’t supplying it – apparently the female psyche combined with feminism leads them to accumulate it themselves. I seem to recall reading literature from the 1800’s and early 1900’s – where female competition would be centered much more around how many kids they had and how much stature their family had. Those times are long gone. Feminism has been actively beating down motherhood and any significance it might have for quite some time though. So what you’re left with is female competition in the hierarchy based on job title and… Read more »
Member

Perhaps. Just maybe. No, it can’t be. But maybe a spiritual and moral bankruptcy precedes a financial bankruptcy and social collapse? Eh, forget I ever said anything.

CaptainMike
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It’s OK to be a white mother and raise white children.

bad guest
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“Despite being run by a cult, Utah is a wonderful place to raise a family. It is like the set of Leave It To Beaver, but the size of a European country.” Problem and answer in a nutshell. People who don’t believe that there is a higher purpose to life would rather have stuff, experiences, and cash to keep pursuing those than messy, expensive, and troublesome kids. A friend of mine summed it up with this window decal. The muzzies are doing it for Allah with their four wives apiece and the innumerable babies. The Catholics used to do the… Read more »
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The idea that the US and Europe can be turned into comfortable retirement homes staffed and paid for by pleasant and obeisant, productive and well-assimilated pig ignorant violent fleeing peasants is astonishing, yet that’s what we are asked to believe. Societies succeed because they’ve built up, usually over centuries, a widely accepted and practiced set of behaviors; social capital built up of predictable actions and attitudes and beliefs: The core of the culture. Immigrants; who do not have that ingrained culture are likely to be destructive of social capital and destructive to the host society. Despite the gibberish of the… Read more »
Rabbi High Comma
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Once you understand the (((Jaffe Memo, 1969))) many of the pieces of White Genocide fall into place.

A.B. Prosper
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US Jews have even lower fertility and the majority are mixed with gentiles.

If there was such a plan it backfired terribly

Ursula
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The Jaffe Memo needs to be applied in Africa ASAP as well as full automation.

Cloudswrest
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One eugenic “affordable family formation” policy I’ve suggested is income averaging over the family.

Given progressive tax structure, a Family of five making $200K should be taxed as five people each making $40K. It is implicitly fair and just since that income is supporting five people. Encourages successful, high income people to have more kids. Doesn’t reward losers for procreating.

Member

I like that.

Tim
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I like it too. Has it ever gotten traction anywhere?

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If the goal is to decrease the cost of raising children, then the policies need to be pro-MARKET, not pro-business, and pro-childbirth/family. Businesses have no interest in keeping costs down for parents. Quite the opposite. It is competition which lowers prices. More options = cheaper to raise kids. I’ve long believed that any family which has three or greater children ought to operate largely tax-free until the children leave the house at 18 years old. These are the Future Taxpayers of America, and so our society should elevate parents of 3+ children, with added weight/consideration to intact nuclear families with… Read more »
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The Republicans control The governorship, House and Senate of around 25 of the 50 States. The flow of taxpayer funds to colleges teaching black Lesbian Mexican dwarf tossing sodomite studies is unabated.

The GOP is a huge piece of the problem. There is not the slightest hint that they may be part of the solution.

dad29
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Yah, we tried that, except we filed, all legal and such. Then we got hit with the Alternative Minimum Tax to the tune of around $10K one year. That was the beginning of the end. BK about 5 years later.

Wouldn’t change it for the world, though. Every kid was worth it.

calsdad
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Again – why is the tax code and the Federal government intervening in one form or another the only path to solving this problem?

Do you guys pay any attention at all?

The Federal government IS the problem – not the solution to the problem

TomA
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Actually, many species of living things self-regulate reproduction based upon environmental feedback. When the environment favors reproduction, fertility in animals increases. Conversely, when the environment changes and resources become more limited, many species have smaller litters. In our human species, government interference (social engineering) is becoming the main environmental driver for reproduction. Our tax and income redistribution system is now subsidizing minority and foreigner reproduction, and funding this by making it prohibitively expensive for the middle class to reproduce.

calsdad
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+1.

Somebody who actually is thinking on the correct path.

A.B. Prosper
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The birth rate hit its current level back in the 1930’s and had been in some degree of decline for more than a century at that point. Its hardly new or a crisis, we treat a brief blip in the TFR from 1946 to 1971 or so as something that is supposed to be normal This makes zero sense . In any case a highly urbanized society where people have other options for recreation than sex or drinking will have smaller families . They should Given the state of the ecology and society this is a wonderful thing Problem is… Read more »
Ursula
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Another big problem is that our money, food, vaccines, aid is allowing peoples in Africa to double in population every 10-20 years. This is suicidal on our part and must stop. If that money must be spent, we need to sink it all into our best, i.e., most intelligent and talented, children and creating an environment conducive to raising large white families.

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It’s birth control. It all stems from that. Only since birth control have children been a choice unless you chose celibacy. Get rid of the birth control, fertility rates will go up.

Now of course I have no idea how you get rid of the birth control.

Member
My life after having children has been devoted to advancing their interests and those of hopefully-to-be-born grandchildren. I survived my first divorce (an American and mother of my children egged on by feminists after our return to the USA) by shamelessly flirting with my attorney (nicknamed the pit bull) and when the case went well, having a fling with her, a pleasant experience to say the least. My son, the younger child, ended up with me after a few years and now lives about 70 yards away with his soon-to-be-29 year old Latina wife (he’s 37) and my two grandsons.… Read more »
Audacious Epigone
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Hawley is a filcher so I won’t go to the source, but Pew just released a big report on fertility on the old continent. It only separates by Muslim and non-Muslim, but the non-Muslim TFR in EVERY SINGLE EUROPEAN COUNTRY is below the 2.05 needed for replacement.

There are of course non-Muslim, non-Europeans who have higher TFRs than native Euros as well (like Hindus and animist/Christian Africans) that are being grouped in those ‘native’ numbers and they’re still below replacement.

Gary+Satterlee
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When coyotes were hunted to near extinction in the American west (there were bounties on them), populations recovered almost immediately. Scientists were baffled. They then discovered that, somehow, the females realized the situation and all had bigger litters until the numbers returned to normal. Maybe if we slayed all beta males our wimmin would kick it up a notch.

Rien
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This is known as r/K theory. When resources are next to unlimited, populations switch to the r-strategy to increase their numbers. Once the numbers are back up, a switch to K-strategy occurs and adaption to the environment becomes the driving factor again.

https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/the-theory/rk-selection-theory/

I am reading the book right now, its mind blowing. The best explanation for politics & society I have seen so far.

Btw: the K-storm is coming…

Guest
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The solution to low birth rates is polygamy. High status males sire lots of children with many females. This is the way nature works. It’s the way the natural world works and the way humans worked for tens of thousands of years, and still work in other parts of the world. We just can’t see this because it has become taboo in the West.

KWEiler
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Maybe polygamy might make a comeback under the guise of polyamory, which has been touted in certain progressive circles. While theoretically polyamory is free love for all involved in a group, I suspect that in practice you would end up with a few men with a bunch of women. Not too different from certain fundamentalist Mormon breakaways.

Dr. Dre
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Also, as severe birth defects make their way more prominently into the gene pool of these groups, the polygs tend to retreat from the surrounding society and the situation becomes untenable. Secretive marriage practices among close cousins, related several times over, not notifying medical authorities etc. allow severely disabled children to suffer and die without any “outside” attention. Check out descriptions of the goings-on with the Jeffs families in the outlaw Mormon communities in S Utah and elsewhere. “Staysweet” is what Warren Jeffs would say to a young woman he would take as his ### wife. Young males in these… Read more »
Soren
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“A similar pattern, though less pronounced, is seen in the US. White fertility rates are below replacement, while black fertility is still above replacement.”

Black fertility is not above replacement… last time I checked it was only .1 above white fertility.