TV and Movies

I’ve mentioned before that I’m not a big consumer of television. I own a TV just so I can watch sports. This time of year I’m pretty much just watching baseball. I have the MLB subscription so I can watch the Red Sox. I don’t have anything against TV, but I never developed the love for it as a kid like most people. I might watch a show in syndication if it was popular and I will download movies, but these days it is done in batches. Binge watching is pretty much the only way I can watch a series from start to finish.

Anyway, someone recommended a program to me called Justified. I’d never heard of it, but the internet tells me it was very popular. That’s the thing about the modern mass media culture. You can be a huge star, even though most people have never heard of you. A TV show can be a hit, by attracting 2% of the audience. The culture is so balkanized, we’re all just ships passing in the night and TV reflects that reality. My guess is Justified was popular with normals, but unwatched by the folks in Yankeedom.

Anyway, the show itself is fine. It sort of reminds me of the fad in the 70’s of the cowboy detective. I forget the names of the shows, but the twist on the traditional cop show was to have the hero as a sort of an updated western sheriff with the hat, boots and pithy country expressions. The show is based on an Elmore Leonard novel so it has lots of catchy dialogue. That was a Leonard trademark, the banter between characters that was simple, but packed with meaning. I suspect that’s the attraction of the show for fans. There’s a lyrical quality to the writing.

I’ve only watched the one season, but what strikes me is that the male lead is pretty much a normal male lead. In fact, all the men are the sort of men you see on earth or at least you used to see on earth. The beta male hipster thing is a sad reality of our age. The women are also normal women. We hear lots of complaints about the feminization of men, but the presentation of women in pop culture is equally bizarre. I can see why this show would be popular with the gals, as it has lots of relatable female characters in it.

I’ve often wondered just how popular the modern female heroine is with real women. There’s endless hype for Hunger Games types of gals, but I never hear real women talk up these types of films. I suspect it’s a lot like the homo movies. We’re buried in hype about them, but there’s little to no demand for gay cowboys or the life story of Liberace. Then again, I’m just a broken down old hate thinker so I could be all wrong. Maybe the young gals of today all dream of wearing Lycra jumpsuits and beating up men.

The other thing that struck me is the fair treatment of downscale whites. It still has lots of stereotypes about toothless hillbillies banging their sisters, but it’s much more nuanced than you typically see. The war on bad whites has been raging for so long now it’s easy to forget that bad whites are people too. They are just presented as people. It is a sad statement on our age when it is unusual for our betters to present normal people as genuine people, rather than as bad guys and monsters in their morality plays.

Anyway, the other indulgence on the TV front was the movie Martian. Once I could download it free (I’m very cheap) I watched it as I heard it was a really good sci-fi movie. Maybe my standards are out of whack or I lack the proper frame of reference, but it seems rather mediocre to me. Matt Damon was good being Matt Damon on Mars. The other actors are unknown to me but they seemed like they were doing a good job. The visuals were great, but it just seemed sort of blah.

The thing is, I expect the visuals in modern movies to be great. We’re long past the point where CGI is new and cutting edge. Every movie now has outlandish special effects. The days of model spaceships hanging from fishing line against black paper are long gone. I had the same reaction to the movie Gravity. Yeah, it’s neat how they make it look real, but they are supposed to make it look real. That’s the point. Not making it look real would be unusual. I can’t remember the last time I saw a movie where the effects were not realistic.

I have this debate with friends. Modern sci-fil is lacking because they invest everything in the visuals, and scrimp on the writing and character development. They care more about getting tight shots of the actresses ass in the Lycra jumpsuit than telling the story. The Martian turned out to be Castaway on Mars, except Matt Damon was vastly less introspective and interesting than Tom Hanks. Hanks came back a better man. Damon comes back and we’re led to believe he was turned into a self-absorbed douche by his experience, which was what he was before his adventure.

At the risk of sounding like an old coot, the stories were better when they had none of the modern visual aids. A show like Star Trek had to be carried by the story and characters. Watch an old Western and they are basically stage plays put on film. They were more respectful of the audience, because the audience had to fill in the blanks with their imagination. The writers and actors had no choice but to invest in the writing and character development. That’s all there was, for the most part.

Of course, that sort of brings me back to the beginning. These long form serial dramas we see on cable like Justified, work because they do invest in the writing. These shows have plenty of costume and setting work. Game of Thrones is set in adventure land with magical midgets and dragons. But, that’s not what these shows are about or why people watch them. They are well designed and executed dramas with good writing and acting. They are traditional western entertainment, which is people entertaining other people by telling their tale.

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Marina
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Marina

I’ve been watching Last Man Standing, which stars Tim Allen as a father of three teenaged daughters. He works at a Cabela’s type place and his weird interest in guns and his daughters’ lives is clearly supposed to be funny to the audience. But it’s nice to have a show where the dad isn’t the butt of all the jobs for a change.

Old Codger
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Just for fun sometime watch a few classic episodes of “Seinfeld” followed by (if you can stand it) acouple of episodes of “Friends”. It helps you understand the Millennials’ complete lack of driving force and character.

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I’m curious: Do you blame such shows for the stunted development of these sorry people, or are you contrasting these shows with newer things?

I ask because I spent some time in a university theater and music department in the last several years, and none of them picked up on Seinfeld references; neither had they heard of Monty Python, the Honeymooners, or a zillion other things that musicians are just supposed to *know*.

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1. McCloud!

2. Maaaat Damonnnn!

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I’m in complete agreement with your view that real women have no desire to be lycra encased superheros. The problem is that the attitude that girls are just as strong as boys and can behave in any way they please with no consequences that has been drilled into females for the last forty years or so has brought about a generation of females who have no fear of ANY kind of man or situation they’re in. They can’t believe that, for instance, if you go out some fine evening and get yourself sloppy, passing out drunk there’s a good possibility… Read more »

snopercod
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snopercod

Try Longmire! It’s about Wyoming (see my comment below).

James Higham
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What an effing bore from an arch feminazi. When will Kathryn understand we’re sick up to here with it.

Ganderson
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Ganderson

“If you meet an asshole in the morning you’ve met an asshole. If you meet assholes all day then you’re the asshole.” Raylan Givens
I loved Justified!

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Z, i recommend the 2012, single season, “Vegas” TV series, synopsis:

“Set in 1960s Las Vegas, the series centers on Sheriff Ralph Lamb (Quaid) and his dealings with Chicago mobster Vincent Savino (Chiklis), who moved west to set up his own operation. The Lamb character is based on a real-life former rancher of the same name who served as Sheriff of Clark County from 1961 to 1979.”

Or watch the trailer here: Vegas – (TV series 2012) – Trailer

And because it’s only one season, they wrap it all up nicely at the end.

John
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The Martian was decent, but I don’t think it qualifies as sci-fi. It’s a feel good multi-culti story that just happens to be set on Mars. Like a watered down Apollo 13 updated for The Current Year.

Anon
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I think a film like The Martian is (like all films worth watching) best suited to the cinema, where you can detach yourself from reality and feel as if you’re on Mars. I also think that as we get older, it becomes more difficult for us to watch a film in what is essentially a trance state.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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I would agree that so many of the movies these days are all CGI and little substance. The scripts are so much “been there, done that” that there are few real innovations, especially science fiction. We have a number of US TV shows in Germany (all with German voice-overs) so it’s always interesting to catch them in the US so we can actually hear what the actors voices really sound like. If you like history, the series “Rome” (on HBO and quite old now), was actually pretty good and “Vikings” seems to pretty accurate also. The short detective series Jesse… Read more »

Casius Lucius
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Casius Lucius

Saw an episode of Bonanza dubbed into German, it was hilarious – “Hoss, mach schnell!”

joe_mama
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joe_mama

Also, what’s the deal with David Hasselhoff? Is he really the massive star in Germany that Americans think he is?

Karl Horst (Germany)
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Karl Horst (Germany)

Not at all.

El Polacko
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El Polacko

“Justified” was my favorite teevee drama of the last ten years. Great acting, writing and characters, endless plot twists and surprises, a refreshing lack of politically correct cultural propaganda and truly memorable villains.

Mary Steenburgen and Sam Neill show up in the last season doing what they do best.

Keep binging on that show. You will not be disappointed.

Hank_M
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Hank_M

Agreed. Each season of Justified got better and better. Season two was outstanding.
My other favorite show that didn’t last long was FireFly.

Green Hat
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Green Hat

Wynn…Wynn Duffy you won’t see himat is best til later in the series but so so funny.

LetsPlay
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LetsPlay

Like anything else, the herd mentality strikes again. Everyone wants in on the gravy train and sets up shop to do what is in vogue, until the next big thing. It is the true innovators that work on the fringes trying new things like the guys working on a new 360 degree cinematography technology. But that currently seems to be a play thing for directors. The best thing I can recommend is the book Martian. Great stuff especially if you have a technical bent. It will always make the best story format. Film is “usually” a dismal second place because… Read more »

Drake
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“The Expanse” series on Syfy. Very good space opera books and they did a decent job of turning it into a series without the blank-check CGI approach of a big movie.
http://www.syfy.com/theexpanse

The Sox are fun this year. Love watching the talent from the farm system driving the success – Betts, Bradley, Shaw, etc…

Drake
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Also “The Last Kingdom” on BBC – based on Bernard Cornwell’s books. Any actual Englishmen left had to feel something at the literal birth England when the last Saxon lords showed up to fight for King Alfred.

Of course, being the BBC, they had to stick some completely improbable badass women. Wasn’t too obnoxious until literally the last scene of season one – when a nun started killing Danish Vikings like a ninja. I laughed at that one.

Red Fred
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Back in the 80’s I reviewed movies for a big, well-known newspaper. So many of the movies at the time had the flavor you mention, that I came up with the phrase ‘ these aren’t real movies – they are just movie posters.’ And that’s what the “Martian” movie is too. The book, on the other hand, is a rocking science fiction story. – the writing is excellent, and the science is thorough. The hero is admirable, a survivor with a great funnybone. The other characters also rose above cardboard cutout status. I loved it so much I watched the… Read more »

Drake
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Drake

I read the book too and knew the movie would be a let down. Most movies / series are. Now that GRRM has stopped writing, Game of Thrones is just senseless.

John Hinds
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Drake, I agree about GOT. From the get go it touches repeatedly on every leftoid shibboleth in the book with all inclusive perverted sex appeal to the basest instinct. I’ve read the books and seen the series through last year and can say emphatically ‘no redeeming social value.’ Took me awhile but I don’t think, should Martin ever publish another volume, I’d be interested. And I doubt I’ll see the current season film version.

Director Mitch
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I watch all my movies while stuck on overseas flights. The Martian was boring – did anyone think Mat Daaamooon wouldn’t make it off the island, I mean Mars? I was also annoyed with the typical movie SJW – the commander was a woman, head of NASA Chinese (they’re stealing everything they can from there anyway) and so on. A nice surprise was “Heart of the Ocean”, which is a retelling of Moby Dick. Simple action-adventure yarn at sea with just a tad of eye rolling at the very end (a snide remark reminding us that whalers are the “oil… Read more »

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If you want Mars-based entertainment, compare the boring, preachy “Martian” with “The Red Planet”, a recent SciFi adventure movie worth seeing. Despite the presence of Val Kilmer in the lead, it works. Also, just incidentally, proves the chick who played Trinity in “The Matrix” is not hot. Just Trinity.

Allen
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Allen

Don’t forget “Robinson crusoe on mars”

notsothoreau
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notsothoreau

The thing about Justified is that a lot of us have to deal with people like that. I’ve seen quite enough of tweakers. I never knew what that was four years ago. And we know folks that deal in the illegal. The elites don’t. I liked the way you could root for Boyd Crowder or Ava, even if you didn’t like their lifestyle. You’d like Longmire too, but it’s on Netflix these days. They went off the rails a bit in season three, but the first season is great.(My husband is binge watching NYPD Blue, which I’ve never seen. It… Read more »

snopercod
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snopercod

For those who enjoy Justified, you’ll really like Longmire. Forget the TV series and go straight to the books – the books are ten times better than the TV version.

james wilson
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james wilson

If the niche market drives creation forward then good on the niche market. It does seem to be sucking the talent away from the old venues.

Off topic–best movie nobody saw: Devil in a Blue Dress.

Anon
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Best movie nobody saw : Rounders.

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I thought Rounders was pretty good. Another that comes to mind is Confidence. Dustin Hoffman and Rachel Weisz playing against type plus Paul Giamatti and Luis Guzman. Boiler Room is another good one except for the Ben Afleck scene. Gawd, that guy could spoil the kindergarten Christmas play.

ErikEssig
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ErikEssig

I watch a bit more TV than you (I do watch the Sox too), but agree on the attraction of binge watching. I was very entertained by the entire run of Justified. Describing the characters as normal is pretty spot on. Normal but certainly not boring. You should watch the other seasons (assuming you can find time).

Anon
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One could say the same about Breaking Bad. And The Sopranos. Though in both these cases the protagonists are supposed to be ‘bad’, in one way or another, though sympathetic.
Justified is all that unusual. The ‘new man’ occurs more in comedies than in thrillers, where, ultimately, the man has to be a man to be effective.
By the way, in the final season of Justified, there’s a crack at hipsters.

Conservative Buddhist
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Conservative Buddhist

The actual Martian book is significantly better than the movie.

VIper 23
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This.

JohnTyler
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JohnTyler

Just to throw in my two cents, DOWNTON ABBEY was all about the writing, acting, costumes, historical references and the numerous subplots all swirling about; the characters all developed over the seasons as economic, political and social events unfolded. No CGI, realistic (for the time period of the show) portrayal of gay individuals, and character commentary about the political winds of the time. Yes, the program may have presented a too rosy portrayal of the lives of the English “service” class, but it certainly arouses one to learn more about the social strata of that period. A GREAT TV series,… Read more »

Notsothoreau
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Notsothoreau

Big problem with it is that they deliberately left out Christianity. You can’t portray those times truthfully without it.

Fuel Filter
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Fuel Filter

Nobody has mentioned “Deadwood”. It’s the only boxed set of bluray I wil *never* get rid of.

What to see a great series where “men are still men” you must see it. HBO really outdid themselves with this one.

You can get it free with Amazon Prime, as well as Rome.

Notsothoreau
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Notsothoreau

We tried that and tired of it pretty quickly. It’s just too dark.

Clayton Bigsby
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Clayton Bigsby

Deadwood…!
I can’t believe it took this long for someone to mention it, since it put Olyphant on the proverbial map. One of the best Ive ever seen and what a disgrace to leave it hanging….The boys from ZZ top were such fans they hung around the set for over 16 hours just to get in the “crowd scene” in the last episode…..

FWIW I couldn’t get thru either Gravity (made it maybe 20 minutes even in exquisite 3D) or the Martian ( 20-30 min.) both too pnderous for me….

….anybody remember Doc Savage books as a kid?

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Two more, first Generation Kill, a 7 part mini series set during the 2003 invasion of Iraq, see the YouTube Trailer.

And the second recommendation, Into the West, a 6 part mini series, tales from the American West in the 19th century, told from the perspective of two families, one of White settlers and one of Native Americans produced by Steven Spielberg with an all star cast, Into the West – Trailer.

This one is even on YouTube, all six parts, so people can jump right in!

guest
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guest

Some Generation Kill scenes for a taste of things:
Generation Kill – Ray Person best scenes YouTube

James LePore
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I watched every episode. It was great.

Shelby
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Shelby

I love stories that take place in the south. Justified is true to the south, without being mean. Midnight in the garden of good and evil is another . Probably the best role of Kevin Spacey’s life.
A love song for Bobby long , gives you a look at a different John travolta. It’s tiring here in the south to be portrayed as mouth breathing knuckle dragging apes.

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Couple or three observations: The very best, better by far than The Martian or Gravity, plays on only one screen, the Space Center in Florida. It is IMAX-3D, shot entirely on the International Space Station. If you ever get down that way to Disney or the other attractions you’ll be doing yourself disservice if you don’t spend a day there. When McCloud was popular I worked in Manhattan and had a shearling coat and a working cowboy’s hat that I had brought from Arizona. I’d walk down the street and people would look and think I was a balmy cosplay… Read more »

Gerard Van der Leun
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Good writing? Good dialogue? Good character development?

The Wire. In win, place, and show positions simultaneously.

If you’ve never seen this you will binge until the end and then go back to the beginning and watch it again.

Free if you have Amazon Prime.

James LePore
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I agree. With all the great things on tv in the last ten years or so, The Wire was still the best.

Kyle
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The greatest thing that ever happened to TV, in my opinion. Rivaled only by seasons 3-8 of The Simpsons.

Pawn4King
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Zman, concerning the movie The Martian I think you nailed it when you compared it to Tom Hanks’ Castaway and how it is (though not a bad movie itself) an inferior rendering of the genre. In my humble opinion “Castaway” type movies have to perform solidly on two aspects in order to be good films and grab the audience interest: 1) They must provide an interesting way out of the predicament for the marooned protagonist. It doesn’t have to be believable, just amusing enough to suspend disbelief. 2) We must find ourselves a way to the relate the character. To… Read more »

Karl Horst (Germany)
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Karl Horst (Germany)

Since this topic has turned into “my favorite series” you might also enjoy “Life” with Damian Lewis. He was also the star in “Band of Brothers”. Unfortunately “Life” only ran 2-seasons but was very well done. I also enjoyed “Home Land” even through the lead actress (Claire Danes) is a bit annoying at times. At the moment we are anticipating the next season of the US version of “House of Cards”. Kevin Spacey and Robin Wright are outstanding in their roles.

Tim
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Agree with you on the ‘Life’ series. Well done for a short run. At least you don’t get a binge hangover. Damian Lewis as Major Dick Winters in ‘Band of Brothers’ is his best role. If you watch anything-watch ‘Band of Brothers.’

Kyle
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Bands of Brothers and The Pacific were both righteous. Being miniseries they didn’t come to mind immediately.

UKer
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UKer

I liked Justified, but to be honest I thought after Elmore Leonard’s death it ran out of steam somewhat. As for The Martian, you will have noted how it is a feisty stop-at-nothing woman who rescues Matt (should it have been called the Mattian?) so qualifies for the ‘modern great movie’ tag. But I agree that people want to watch characters in stories and how they cope: Game Of Thrones is at its best when it is people having to cope with considerably less (wealth/property/status/love) than they were used to originally. It is a kind of survival epic. The old… Read more »

Sam J.
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Sam J.

If you guys like Sci-fi I think you would really like “Black Mirror (TV series)” by the BBC. Not all effects at all. Based on twist in technology in the future and how it effects humans. It surprised me because I hadn’t heard about it. “The Wire” is a great series. Baltimore’s Violence Guy says it’s exactly like the show there. B.V.G. is an interesting fellow who works in a grocery store, writes (mostly about violence) and stick fights. He’s one these guys whose so hard headed he refuses to be run out by the DinDu’s and would rather fight… Read more »

Kyle
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Anyone have a theory for why there are no really funny movies these days? What strikes me as bizarre is that TV is funnier than ever over the last decade or so. It took awhile but losing the laugh-track was the best thing that ever happened to TV comedies.