Revanchism is a political movement based in the desire to reverse territorial losses after a war or cultural upheaval, like a revolution. The term originated in France in the aftermath of the Franco-Prussian War. Nationalists wanted to avenge the French defeat and reclaim the lost territories of Alsace-Lorraine. It is often mingled with irredentism, the desire for lost territory based on legend. Israel’s territorial claims in the Levant are an example of both concepts.
In the West, revanchism is generally associated with the Right and especially with nationalist politics. The revanchists wish their nation to reclaim lost turf on perhaps fulfill its destiny by reclaiming its ancient territory. It can also mean a reassertion of the old culture and traditions, rolling back the current culture which is seen as foreign or illegitimate in some way. Revanchists want to go back to some point in the past where they think the break occurred in the culture.
An example is this American Conservative post by Sohrab Ahmari, Gladden Pappin, and Chad Pecknold. It is titled, “In Defense of Cultural Christianity”, an apologia for the traditional Christian order. It is not a defense but rather a call to reassert a pre-Reformation Catholicism and the political and social elements required to do it. Theirs is a “throne-and-altar” conception of conservatism that seeks to restore the Church as the partner of the secular state.
This wing of the Revanchist Right is responding to the modern Gnosticism of the Left, especially its view of the material world. Since the modern Left does not believe in an afterlife or God, their view of the material world as being hostile to the sacred essence of man leads to a war on the material world itself. Rather than transcending this life, like the Gnostics of old, the modern Progressive seeks to conquer nature and transform it into the tool of the fully self-aware man.
These Catholic revanchists are not the first to note the utopianism of modern liberal thought or its connection to Gnosticism. Conservative gadfly William F. Buckley popularized Eric Voegelin’s phrase “Don’t immanentize the eschaton!”, which became a conservative slogan in the 1960’s. Immanentize the eschaton means trying to bring about the final, heaven-like stage of history in this world. Hans Jonas, a century ago, noted the link between Gnosticism and modern thought.
This link between Gnosticism, Progressivism and the Catholic response to ancient Gnosticism is clear in the essay. “The thoroughly anti-gnostic Augustine, moreover, viewed Catholic cultural Christianity as an elongation of the Incarnation. It was its incarnational, anti-gnostic realism about our social and political nature that lent the Christian order of Europe its radiant vitality, its longevity and strength.” In other words, the proper response to the modern is the ancient.
The authors go on to point out that the secular state that subordinates all religion inevitably leads to a deracinated, gnostic form of Christianity. You can enjoy your faith in total private, but it can have no place in the culture or society. In the modern context, Christianity becomes just another hobby that can have no impact on this world or the people in it. You are left with a form of Rod Dreher-ism, in which you must retreat from the material world and wait for salvation in the next.
As an aside, it is interesting that this essay is posted on the American Conservative website, where Rod Dreher promotes his bespoke Gnosticism. He does not sell it as such, but that is what he is selling. His form of orthodoxy is just the special of the day at the cafeteria of Christianity. From the point of view of the revanchists, his call to retreat from this world is just another manifestation of the deracination and degradation of man by the liberal moral order.
Putting that aside, the revanchists are correct for the wrong reasons. They correctly see that the throne and altar are inevitably linked. They seem to think this is a Catholic innovation, but that is incorrect. The joining of the supernatural with human hierarchy is as old as human society. Every ruling elite needs authority, and that authority comes from legitimacy. There is no better way to solve this problem than to claim the ruler or ruling elite are the will of the gods or actual gods.
Once belief is understood as a natural part of man’s nature, like intelligence or the desire to reproduce, the question becomes, what should man believe? This has been the engine of human conflict and human progress since the beginning. The Catholic Church was a late comer to this battle for the soul of man. Modern liberalism may have roots in the ancient past, but it too is late to the party. It displaced that old order the revanchists seek to restore.
That is the central problem of revanchist thinking. It is not hard to make a compelling case in favor of the old throne-and-altar but there is a reason why it was abandoned in favor of the liberal order. Simply dismissing that reality as a wrong turn in the arc of history or a sign of moral decline avoids the issue. The Catholic Imperium has a defined beginning, the conversion of Roman emperor Constantine the Great in 312 CE, and a less well define end, possibly the Treaty of Westphalia.
To make the claim that this is a universal or timeless moral framework has to address why it did not exist for most of human history and why it was pushed aside. This is a problem shared by all cultural revanchism. In its reaction to the present, it blinds itself to the failings of the past. As a result, it becomes a form of escapism, where the past becomes fantasy literature. In this case, the Catholic integralist gets to imagine what it would be like to live in Medieval Europe.
The anti-Gnostics, however, should not be dismissed. Their observations about modern liberalism are useful, if incomplete. What we see with liberal democracy is an effort to solve its own internal conflict. It rejects the supernatural, but like all political orders, it needs an external source of legitimacy. It is trying to evolve one that only hints at the supernatural by leaving out large swaths of reality that can only be filled in with an undefined faith in the present order.
This is why the term “woke” is popular. These people are aware of their eternal identity, which is analogous to being aware of their divine essence. The great war between those “defending our democracy” and the so-called fascists is a rework of the old Gnostic dualism where the material world is evil, and the god is pure good. Critical theory then becomes the logos connecting the two. Modern Gnosticism is the quest for legitimacy and authority in a secular world.
In the end, revanchism can only be a starting point to model a new moral order that incorporates the old while recognizing its flaws. A new moral order will have to appeal to people as they are in this deracinated modern state. That means what comes next must be a continuation, rather than a rollback. That is both difficult and frightening, which is why revanchism will grow in popularity. Even so, the path is always forward. There is no going back to a prior age, no matter how much we desire it.
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I understand the impulse but have no interest in going back to rule by a corrupt organized religion that maintained control by torturing people to death.
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Distilled all of organized religion down to that pithy observation did ya?
All change is not progress and all progress is not forward. I like that one.
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Ironic statement given that you are –currently– being ruled by ” a corrupt organized religion that maintained control by torturing people to death.”
Well, to be fair, we are not *quite* at the tortured to death phase but that is only because they are still testing the waters of normie tolerance which seem to be limitless. We already have political prisoners, complete corruption of the ‘justice system’, anarcho-tyranny, sham elections, etc.
If you think you don’t live under a radical theocracy sort of like the Iranian regime you haven’t been paying attention. We have the faith/religion (Woke), we have the gods (Diversity), we have the rituals(kneeling, self-abasement), the mantras(‘silence is violence, decolonize, dismantle whiteness’), the priests(politicians, media, academia, etc), the acolytes(BLM, Antifa), the scripture(CRT), and the heretics(us). So not exactly certain where you were headed w/ that statement…
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Don’t forget we also have the Covid and Green sects of the ruling theocracy with all their attendant deities, dogma, rituals, saints, and holy relics.
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I find it interesting when someone wants to disparage 2100 years of Christianity they almost always concentrate their rage at the Inquisition which lasted about 200 years resulting in only about 32,000 deaths. I guess it’s akin to judging the success or failure of communism by the 200 million or so deaths it inspired in the last century. Although the last century is the entire history of communism so one would need to conclude it’s not a political/economic/religious movement but a climate change movement bent on the elimination of humanity.
Without morality the state is no more than a killing machine. If you think that Christianity today is the same Christianity from 500 years ago (before the Reformation) and all you see is a “corrupt organized religion that maintained control by torturing people to death” you really need to get up to the modern era. I don’t think we do that any more.
I could be wrong.
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The Inquisition only went after people who were heretical Catholics, not true blue Muslims or Jews. Since when do dissidents believe authorities have no right to police their own. The Inquisiition went after heretical Catholics. Period. If you really know your history you know that it took place in Spain and just (((who))) these heretical folks claiming to be Carholic actually were.
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The inquisition was run by the Spanish government to out traitors, hence the focus on fake conversions. Due process, to the extent it existed, was better in the ecclesiastical rather than secular courts, which is why defendants sought transfer
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95% of what ails us is because we stopped torturing heretics (though this was nowhere near as widespread as atheists want to say) and burning witches. The corrosive effect of these cannot be overstated.
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We still torture heretics. It’s just that the people doing the torturing are the heretics we failed burn at the stake and they are now torturing the rest of us.
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Indeed. We are living the movie cliché: You should have killed me when you had the chance.
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“Spiteful mutants”?
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I know. I would much rather be ruled by an organized government that maintains control by torturing people death.
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Should we conclude the use of “CE” rather than the more descriptive “AD” to be a “just another manifestation of the deracination and degradation of man by the liberal moral order”? Gnosticism, indeed.
The removal of religion from the state also removes the moral obligation of the actors in the state. Or haven’t we noticed the body count from anti-religious governments? Perhaps that’s just a coincidence but I doubt it.
Christians aren’t perfect but at least they put forth the effort to be good. Do fascists? How about communists? Hell, even your average plain old socialist cares nothing about morality or empathy.
I’m not instigating for theocracy just the recognition that a state without the moral underpinnings of Christian morality seem to run on hate and oppression rather than equality and compassion.
I could be wrong. My wife tells me I usually am.
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From the perspective of their moral framework, communists and fascists are on the side of angels.
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No they’re not and never pretended to be. They are liars and thieves and rightly admit it. Besides, they don’t believe in angles.
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you need to read a little history. start with 1920’s italy:
“The popes had seen the Italian government as enemies, basically. They had rejected the notion of the separation of church and state, they had lost their privileged position in society, and they had always called that system illegitimate. Pius XI at least began to see the possibility that Mussolini might be the person sent by God — the man of providence — as he would later refer to him … who would reverse all of that, who would end the separation of church and state, restore many of the prerogatives of the church and at the same time, as the Pope was very worried about the rising socialist movement … saw Mussolini as the man who was the best bet, perhaps, to prevent a socialist takeover of Italy.”
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Perhaps citing your quote would be helpful? Who’s version/interpretation are you quoting and why is it more authoritative than another?
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christians are not inherently moral and good. nor are they an unalloyed good for a society. they are grillers to their core…
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nobody said they are inherently moral or good. they are fallen men like us all and have to work to develop virtues, as you would do to develop good habits. This is what the Catholic Church teaches, though I understand that many Protestants believe that you are “saved”, good with God, once you accept Jesus. This, of course, is hogwash to the Catholic.
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No they (Christians) are not! See how one gratuitous assertion is easily—and logically—refuted by another? Try to form better argument, or simply refrain from ad hominem.
You don’t like Christianity, we get it.
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I am a Christian and I am not a griller. Christians like every other group have their good and bad people, I was watching some of Tucker Carlson’s one on one interviews which is worth the 6 bucks a month for Fox Nation by the way, but anyway a scientist was being interviewed on one of his shows and that scientist was both very brave and a Christian.
He was caught up in the wokeism and banned from speaking at major colleges.
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One problem for me with this thinking is that it is an attempt to restore some things about the past while not being able to bring forth other portions of the past that made those initial things possible.
The churches are hopelessly corrupt. They are corrupted by the spirit of the age. The big denominations are all anti-racist and pro homo to the core. The people are corrupt and so their institutions are corrupt. Is there anyone here who would really want the existing Pope and his shitty ideas to the be the cornerstone not only of religion, but of the state as well? Even if the church wasn’t corrupt, if everyone suddenly got religious, they would bring all their biases into the church.
What these people imagine they will get is a return of the morality of the past. But what they will actually get is globohomo with the moral authority of the church.
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No. A pozzed Church is a symptom of the crisis. It’s been taken over by unserious men because it is not a serious institution. It was different, before, and it could be different again.
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Not without radical reform. The pre-Reformation Church could rely on the ruling class to produce it scholars, theologians and men willing to wield the sword in defense of the faith. The “heir and a spare” still left a plenty of extra sons of the secular elite to populate the Church hierarchy. It is is why celibate priests made sense. The princes of the church would not threaten the throne or claim Familial ownership of their altar.
That relationship began to collapse in the Enlightenment. That’s how the Church fell prey to degeneracy. The sons of the elite have better options than the Church. The Church has nothing to offer the ambitious from the lower ranks. To survive, the Church adapted itself and subordinated itself to the liberal democratic order, particular the American empire. Vatican II was a deal with the American demon that was in the makings for centuries.
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Indeed. Church leaders broke one of the key Cardinal Rules of Integralism: instituting change is an act of violence.
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A perspective I have not heard before. An article on this please.
> As a result, it becomes a form of escapism, where the past becomes fantasy literature. In this case, the Catholic integralist gets to imagine what it would be like to live in Medieval Europe.
Technology and mass scaling has dramatically changed the parameters of the game, and nothing but a modern Butlerian Jihad is going to bring back older traditional political structures.
There are people like the Traditionalist Western Art twitter guy who aspires to extremely simple cities that use technology in a simple, non-complex manner that is easy for your average technician to navigate. There are other who envision whole Smart Cities where everything is processed in an incredibly complex structure for maximum efficiency.
If you want the former, start forming simple communities and eschew technology for everything but basic necessities and self defense. If you want the latter, be prepared to install puppet figureheads who are slaves to the bureaucracy necessary to run incredibly complicated organizations as well as use disingenuous, faceless mass propaganda to keep the masses in line, the same as our rulers today.
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the organizing principle for small scale societies is minimizing energy requirements. a large part of north america is a very tough hang in winter, without lots of cheap energy. smelting takes a ton of energy, even on a small scale. there is a reason most of greece is denuded of trees, and has been the last 2000 years. lots of third world societies cook over a fire fueled by animal manure.
don’t worry about the other alternative — smart cities — wouldn’t work but will never be tried because the existing cities are all busy dying.
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It’s pretty incredible to see the lunatics in DC can’t grok the fact their smart cities are unrealizeable without a stable power grid fed by coal, gas, and nuclear power plants.
Bidr cuisinarts and solar fryers ain’t gonna cut it, and they’re going to find out the hard way.
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They don’t care.
They are a death cult who want the world to burn with them.
If it dies with maximum misery all the better.
karl: Excellent points that those on the left and right like to ignore. Farming is damned hard work, and generating power has vast industrial applications both large and small that effect all aspects of life. Famed ‘solar power’ is a constant struggle to live with what most consider basic utilities, like hot water and electric lights. Every ‘homestead’ or ‘prepper’ youtube channel I’ve viewed maintains a back up generator run on either propane or gasoline.
It gets damned cold in northern New England and Idaho. It gets damned hot in the south (I fear a lack of air conditioning in the summer more than I do heat in the winter). Even if the knowledge of basic metallurgy is not lost, we require certain amounts of focused energy to create even early 20th century technology.
I don’t want to return to the past, but do want to consider how best to retrench for the future. Scale is most definitely part of it, but the proper role of technology is not a binary all or nothing if one prefers to maintain modern sanitary standards (no, a ‘sweat lodge’ won’t cut it).
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Just as an aside, don’t imagine that our modern cities resemble anything like our prior smaller cities wrt to living conditions and how a prior population made due with their technology of the time. For example, at my last university, there were living and teaching structures still in use designed for large groups of individuals and *no* a/c! To say that we could not live without a/c in the cities, is not the quite accurate. Rather we should say, we can’t live without a/c in the cities we design for today because we make certain assumptions, like a/c.
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cargo cultism takes many forms. and it is not restricted to uneducated savages…
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“There is no going back to a prior age, no matter how much we desire it.”
Yes, but can we at least go (or bring) back a prior way of thinking? Most people deep down know the traditional and moral truths that have been perverted by our current atheistic, secular liberal democracy. Right vs. wrong, good vs. evil, male & female, responsibility for one’s own actions etc.,etc.
Personally, I’ve never been particularly religious, but I never looked down on those who were. In modern society, I think it has helped a lot of people keep their lives centered, and I don’t see how that’s not a good thing. It’s certainly something we’ve lost in our current culture.
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This idea that there is no going back… What, exactly do you suppose the Founders were doing, if not going back to republican Rome?
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Good point, rebooted though: they didn’t just reprint the ancient constitution and call it day.
If your conception of movement is linear, there’s no going back. If your conception is cyclical, going back is inevitable. The moon waxes and wanes, the tides goes then out, dictators rise then fall to the demos who fall to the oligarchs who fall to the dictators. Vice yields to virtue which yields again to vice, and so on eternal and unyielding.
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“Their observations about modern liberalism are useful, if incomplete. What we see with liberal democracy is an effort to solve its own internal conflict. It rejects the supernatural, but like all political orders, it needs an external source of legitimacy. It is trying to evolve one that only hints at the supernatural by leaving out large swaths of reality that can only be filled in with an undefined faith in the present order.”
Camus makes this point so well in “The Rebel”. The Commies waiting around for “world socialism” to become “communism” are just like Christians and Jews waiting for the Messiah. Meanwhile, we’re stuck with our plight in the present.
So we face the need for action or the inevitability of despair.
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you can have a modern society, or a religious society, but not both. pick one and go with it is better than trying to pretend you can do both and succeed.
at this point in time, if you genuinely believe the supernatural aspects of anything, be it a religion or be it healing crystals, you are cognitively crippled. thanks for playing, but you and yours are headed back to subsistence agriculture as a lifestyle.
and you smug leftists are too, so no crowing about being on the right side of history.
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Karl is sure I’m cognitively crippled. Thanks, Karl! Can I suggest you go and kill yourself?
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how christian of you!
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The old trope of the CC being anti-science is an old and false one. I’m not convinced that science and belief are unreconcilable, rather they complete/complement each other. Don’t let extreme off-shoots from either side color your observations.
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Heh. The same terms for the same phenomena in every language, every culture, and every people known. Even the pre-literate primitives speak those terms.
Almost as if we’re trying to talk about something we can sense, but don’t have the engine manual for.
Nope, nope, I can prove that I’m the first smart generation ever born.
They made it all up! Yup, everybody made the exact same mistakes, everywhere, and they made them for 20,000 years.
That explains, well, everthang!!
My gods. I am SO smart.
*admires mirror approvingly*
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Ice Age Europe, 20,000 BC:
Seal hunter, pointing to the aurora, tells his daughter, “that’s where our spirits go.”
20,000 Years Later:
Southern populations have never seen the auroura or been influenced by it.
Instead, in 1948, an Ashkenazi from Azerbaijan, Zachariah Sitchens, claims “the UFO aliens genetically modified us to be slave miners for gold!” and we get the History Channel.
I see the way forward as decentralization. Christianity works best in a decentralized form without the imperium of Rome or the Church of England models. One can read how Christianity was to be organized just by opening the New Testament. That organization included local elders and deacon whom were male and with a solid reputation.
There is no mention in the new testament of Popes and high church authorities as we have seen down through mans history.
Point is New Testament Christianity has not failed.
It’s just not widely practiced.
The current state of affairs with man looking for meaning and his governments looking for validity can be fulfilled in a basic form of Christianity which excludes the feminist poison and recognizes both patriarchy and heirarchy.
The primitive Baptists and the conservative churches of Christ are two examples of this sort of structure.
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The office of Pontifex, or Pope, was a Roman office. Julius Caesar held it for awhile. So the RCs just grafted the new religion on the old structure.
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Of course they did. They also used its language. Probably stole some of their plumbing ideas as well.
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Don’t nock Keeping sewage and drinking water separate. An idea that might work for people too.
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It also included apostolic succession as well as transfer of keys to Peter. Or does your abridged version not contain Acts or Gsp. Matthew? Seems a reasonable person either takes or rejects the NT in toto. Cherry pickers are suspect.
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–“Revanchists want to go back to some point in the past where they think the break occurred in the culture.”–
There is no ‘going back’ but I can throw 3 darts at our absolutely f-cked timeline and give you 3 dates that would -clearly- show where the ‘break occurred’ in the culture. So I guess I’m a pseudo-Revanchist at least. Let’s do a little thought experiment. Imagine you wake up tomorrow and step outside your front door into the world. 3 events from our clown world timeline never occurred:
1) The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 never happened.
2) The 19th Amendment to the US Constitution in 1920 never happened.
3) The Immigration and Nationality Act (Hart-Celler) of 1965 never happened.
You would spend the next 24 hours in a world that would be as alien to you as if you had stepped onto another planet. And it would probably resemble something close to a paradise compared to the hellscape you dwell in today. Assuming no other (((meddling))) which is of course wishful thinking since it is the only thing they know how to do, you’d have just woken into a perpetual 1950s style environment. But we can’t have nice things because genetic aliens with a long standing historical grudge and deep pockets cannot control their need to ‘repair the world’ (read: turn it to shit)
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As I said above, we can’t recapture the past, but we can learn lessons from the past in moving forward.
For me, the one big lesson from the past is that ethno-nationalism is your best chance of creating and maintaining a society. Basing a country on a people means that the culture and institutions will match that people. The elite will at least share a common heritage with the people, which, hopefully, will limit their veracity.
Religions change. Technology changes. Types of government change. But the people remain. The people will be a gravitational force that always pulls the culture and institutions back to what fits the people.
Ethno-nationalism is the way forward because it’s based on the lessons of the past.
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Israel writ large.
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That seems odd. What does “the people remain” mean? Are you saying they don’t change, but the things completely dependent upon them do? How does that make sense? Is your average 20 something today the same as one from even 50 years ago, let alone 100?
Have to disagree. People do change. That is why it is extremely difficult (but not impossible) to change them back.
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Are you dense?
A people is an ethnicity, so as long as they don’t mix with other ethnicities, that 20-year today is the same “people” as the same one from 100 years ago or even a thousand years ago.
An Anglo-Saxon working the farm in southern England in 1900 was part of the same people as his ancestors in 900.
And your right. If your people change via mixing with other peoples, especially those distant genetically (unlike, say, the Angles and the Saxons), it is extremely difficult, indeed impossible, to change them back.
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I’d like to wake up and find out term limits for congressthings were enacted 50 years ago.
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Might not make me very popular, but a larger discussion should probably be had on #1. I won’t bog Z’s site down with it at this point and will only note that, unlike the other items, it wasn’t as if the Federal Reserve was created to address a problem that didn’t exist.
Once upon a time, our species developed complex language and used to it program our offspring with ancient, hard-earned wisdom that “worked” to make them more robust in the environment of their birth. Religion proved to be an effective means of propagating this wisdom via consistency, repetition, and social reinforcement. And this worked very well as long as social change was relatively slow and the ancient wisdom held up over time.
Then the modern era of civilization happened and technological/social change started occurring at light speed. A mere 6 decades separates the invention of the flying machine and the moon landing. And all of a sudden, ancient wisdom stopped being particularly relevant because our man-made environment was changing too fast and too overwhelmingly. What is “wise” in our current cultural context where online gaming substitutes for the ancestral IRL jungle and its existential threats? We are now selecting for superior hand-eye coordination traits. Is that really an improvement in the species?
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> We are now selecting for superior hand-eye coordination traits.
Do gamers have higher reproduction rates? A good question to ask is reproduction rates based on use of technology. There’s a good chance the extremely online and gamers are statistically on an evolutionary dead-end.
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TomA: “We are now selecting for superior had-eye coordination traits.”
You might reconsider this. Depends on who’s doing the selecting and for what. That’s certainly not a criterion for joining the bestest armed forces in the world today, as evinced by those currently crashing ships and becoming ‘elite’ snipers.
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Hand-eye coordination is at least a positive trait. Having the attention span and long term memory of a goldfish is *not*—and that is not even genetically programmed, but rather induced through current technology and societal incentive.
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The Catholic Integralists are quite correct in that every society has a state religion, whether it wants to admit it or not, and that some form of Christianity would be preferable to the Homo-Floydism that is our current state church, but they seem to have no valid suggestions about how to get from here to there, and their suggestion that the only mistake the Catholic Church made was not burning Luther in time would have struck even Leo X as utterly simplistic (see the Counter-Reformation for details). BAP isn’t seeing nothing when he accuses Integralism as being a Fed diversion from real, meaningful action.
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Eh, I feel like most, “Christian,” institutions in the West need a serious hard reboot.
I mean, look how hard orgs like Catholic Charities sold out to Mammon’s fedbux in exchange for importing immivaders hand over fist, thus destroying the civilization they purport to defend.
Orgs like that probably aren’t salvageable.
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Fair enough. But who has valid suggestions for how to get anywhere from here? The whole, get local, form local bonds, etc. is not a valid suggestion for getting anywhere at all. It’s merely a thing everyone should be doing to prepare for tough times.
But the answer to how you get to a state religion is the same as it is for everything else: by doing it.
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Perhaps we just survive “the great reset” and then rebuild with the remaining (hopefully) majority of “normal” people.
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THIS!!!!! +1000 this is really where we are .
I love the deep dives into intellectual history. If “revanchisme” is as old as man, then Leftism dates to at least Protagoras, back in the 5th century BC: “Man is the measure of all things.” Plato said Protagoras was the first professional Sophist, and hey, if the shoe fits….
Obviously I don’t have the answer to what comes next, but a rhetorical strategy I’ve found useful is the assertion that I — the maniac Rightist in your life, the man who thinks Augusto Pinochet should be canonized, the dude who thinks de Maistre and Jean Bodin were bleeding heart liberals — am the only guy who really believes in evolution.
Humans are just monkeys, no? Well then… have you ever actually seen how monkeys behave? I don’t know which side coined the fun term “chimpout,” but they both use it to describe exactly what it says — be it 1%er bikers shooting up Amarillo or goofy wide receivers doing a 5 minute celebration dance after catching a first down pass in the waning minutes of a blowout loss, that’s the kind of thing chimps actually do. Toxic masculinity? The toxic-est. They’ve got a social hierarchy so extreme, it’s giving Nietzsche a stiffie in the afterlife. They’re territorial as hell, too, and when they go to war with opposing troops — and “war” really is the right word — it’s genocide.
Have we evolved past that, friends? Think carefully before you answer, because if the answer is “yes,” then you need to explain how evolution works in that one case only — if that’s true, in other words, then how on earth could “race” possibly be “just a social construction”? Yet if the answer is “no,” then what of this goofy, deeply unnatural society we’ve constructed — no quotation marks — for ourselves? How is it even possible to run human software on monkey hardware?
Most people you pull that on will just call you a racist and run away, of course, but for anyone who’s reachable, it’ll get them thinking.
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I don’t like monkeys and for that matter chimps too. Apes are chad.
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It sounds daft, but in the main humans instinctively feel uneasy around other primates. If you’ve ever had the chance to stroll through a park, mostly in Asia, where monkeys live ferally, like squirrels, you immediately sense the antagonistic relationship. They try to steal from you, you attempt to avoid them. Some humans, regular visitors to the primates’ domain, will befriend them through gifts, to the extent that “friendship” can be constructed, but those are always the exception to the rule.
It’s no different than an American inner city.
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I’ve been around a lot of wild monkeys. (That’s not a metaphor; I’ve traveled a lot in South Asia). They scare the shit out of me. Once in Delhi I saw a troop of macaques take on a pack of street dogs (again, not a metaphor). Big, mean, nasty street dogs… who didn’t last 30 seconds against the monkeys. Our closest relatives are vicious, nasty bastards.
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And the monkeys are not much better.
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Chimpanzees are vile. I wonder if our reaction to them and the Kneegrows has something to do with the Neandertal/Denisovan in all of us.
Elephants are cool as hell.
any true emergency will cause humans to revert to type, it’s always the males who band together to rescue someone or defend the females and young, and the females nurture the young, hunt for berries and roots, tan the hides and fashion them into clothing etc, while the males bring down large meat-bearing animals. It was ever thus and will always be.
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Actually, I was thinking it would be better for society if it was a little more as it once was (hence the “thus” as you put it) than it is today. As the division between the sexes lessons, we seem to have developed all sorts of societal pathologies. And yes, I claim a cause and effect .
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how can we evolve past it when we have so much shared DNA with chimps.
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We have a lot of genes, most do nothing we can detect, only a few are needed for great differences. One can also search the literature and find animals with a high percentage of similar genes—but we ain’t like them. But you’re correct in the main, evolution is a slow process—especially when the modern era has basically put a stop on it. 🙁
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That whole “we share 99% of our DNA with chimps” thing has never passed the smell test with me (nor has the corollary, which used to be cited all the time by the science-loving Left, that we share 90% (or whatever) of our DNA with frogs (or whatever)… but let’s roll with it, because it fits the rhetorical strategy perfectly.
Ok, so: Which 1%? If it’s that small of a variation, you can no doubt point at specific groupings. Ahhhh, so that’s the “learn how to use fire” group! And that one over there is the Sistine Chapel, and that one over there is the internal combustion engine, and so on. (I know, I know, but I’m specifically targeting the I Fucking Love Science crowd here).
Is that true? If so, then wouldn’t even the tiniest variation in evolutionary pressure — the difference in climate between Ghana and Norway, say — be sufficient to produce immense changes? But if it’s not true — if, in other words, the 99% overwhelms the 1% –then aren’t we still chimps, with the same problems as before?
The goal here is to make the IFLS crowd either a) admit they have no idea how DNA works, or b) explicitly claim that man, and man alone, is an exception — evolution works like that for all other critters, but race is just a social construction for humans, because magic.
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karl: We also share DNA with tulips. Just as all art is created from the same color palette – but a Rembrandt is not a Rothko, thank God. Same basic building blocks but number and order and other minute differences create different creatures and species. I believe in intelligent design, and God created reason and free will to pair with DNA and genetic predispositions.
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The other metaphor I’ve seen is someone postulating that they have two 50 gallon vats of ice cream, but one of the vats is 1% poop. Which will the race-denier want to eat from? After all, they’re practically the same!
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Kyle Rittenhouse odds are improved, up to 50/50.
If he walks it will be because the sleazy Armenian Cartel that runs Kenosha is more despised than feared.
If he is convicted it’s because the Sleazy Armenian Cartel + 👁 of Sauron Dox is more feared than hated.
There are no laws, just power.
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two words-jury nullification, worked for the Bundy’s
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No. It is a good concept, but they will simply retry—and worse, their next attempt will be perfected by what they learn in their first failed attempt at framing Rittenhouse. For example, the prosecution witness who screwed the pooch ain’t coming back.
If he doesn’t skate free this time, it’s uphill from there. Better a conviction on a minor charge and an appeal possibility, than a retrial. Of course, best outcome is not guilty on all counts—which really is justice. But we don’t talk justice these days, do we? Only power and of those who would wield it upon us.
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No need for jury nullification in this case. Rittenhouse is truly not guilty. This case should not have been brought to trial. nullification is necessary when the law itself is wrong. The jury being the last line against tyranny.
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Rdz: “The jury being the last line against tyranny.”
Snort. Snigger.
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Having “served” on a number of juries, I must agree with you, 3g4me. Once in a while my jury duty surprised me, but most often the “people” who wind up on juries toe the line and would bring in the conviction sought without much question or critical thought.
The aspect of your peers serving and empathizing with you, the defendant, is really a myth more often seen reinforced by movies like “12 Angry Men”. Hell, I’ve seen jurors speak in deliberations with more passion than the prosecutor had in the closing arguments! Point learned, “It’s a crap shoot” at best.
In that, it is little different than another myth we often talk about—your right to vote and that it makes a difference. And yes, I’m a bit bitter after the last election.
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The prosecution blowing the case is probably just an op intended to hand the Feeb and Open Society Foundation the perfect excuse to rev up their insurrection machine again.
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“There are no laws, just power.”
Hey, that would make a great motto for the current demofascist party. Pair that up with a logo of a hammer beating a White man senseless while a sickle slices his throat and they have advertising perfection.
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If everyone were a believing Catholic and followed the Magisterium of the Church, we would not need the Z Blog. Unfortunately, man is fallen, most aren’t Catholic, and truly good Catholics are few and far between.
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The teachings of the Institution of Catholicism (the Magisterium, Thomas Aquinas, and Pius X, eg.) are correct and would create the world we are.looking for if obeyed and followed. The people who run the Church today are soy boys toadies who have screwed everything up. Criticize the people in charge, not the Institution.
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I’m not so sure about this theme of Z’s. Broadly speaking, of course, there is every reason to think the people who just want to roll us back to a time when things weren’t so awful are missing something important. But the idea that the way is forward misses the fact that there is no forward. All the new stuff has already been done.
A tyranny is still what happens when the ruling class begins to advance their narrow interests, which is what happened to us. Legitimacy is still not conferred by God’s will, but is something earned by ruling to advance the interests of the people. Etc. & etc. All of this has happened before and will happen again.
The medieval world was remarkable stable and robust and probably worked better than the other alternatives. We should probably be looking to adopt that to the modern situation.
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Ruling to advance the interests of the people *and* earning that right through superior skill and performance. The corruption of the old aristocracy and their claim to their “right” to rule via chance of birth eventually brought the whole system down as will the current corruption of our new “aristocracy”—whose climb to the top is anything *but* based upon meritocracy.
Indeed, one can’t view the current “war” on Covid except through the lens of Dutton who lays out the case for a general decline in the intelligence of the population, which of course includes those who would rule us. See, “The Genius Famine”
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This is why I like the old divisions so much: those who pray, those who work, and those who fight. I would like to have virtuous leaders. Finding virtuous leaders is a problem, but I can select for leaders who have at least one cardinal virtue: courage. All I have to do is make sure they fight.
I don’t know who is wise or just or temperate. But that guy over there with all the scars? Well, I know he’s courageous. And that ain’t too bad.
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Yep, that gets us back in a round about way to the dilemma of the Industrial Revolution and the circumvention of evolutionary fitness. It seems that the worst of us in the virtues you describe rise to the top. Whereas before the IR, this was not so much of a problem. Why?
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Not sure. Have to admit that, at least with the mandate, Biden has shown some courage (could be stupidity or both) in giving the courts a big middle finger on their injunction. Point is, courage alone can be detrimental.
It doesn’t take courage when you know they can’t fight back. You’re confusing courage with bullying.
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does it scale? bet it doesn’t.
That was the important take-away for me though: people know that the current Christian order is running on fumes as they want to try and return to a time when it wasn’t so. The rot of GloboPedo has infected everything and it’s a help to our side that another societal segment is coming around to the fact that all is not right in ‘church town’. Their fix, which is the same fix as the MAGA crowd: turning back the clock, obviously doesn’t work (as even if successful, the clock will just resume it’s normal direction) but also like the MAGA crowd it does put them in a frame of mind that something needs to be done.
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Zman, that American Conservative piece suffers from the same defect as all their other pieces – it ignores racial differences. The Iranian Catholic convert, Sohrab Ahmari, of course prefers to focus on merely cultural Christianity – because he has written before about his alienation from and hostility to much of the White west. His religious conversion has not changed his innate character and the culture and history from which he emerged. In this he merely parrots the song of E. Michael Jones – that we can all live together peacefully, the White and the Iranian and the Nigerian, if we all accept Mother Church.
No thank you – both to universal Catholicism and pan racialism.
I recently recommended (in a late-in-the-day comment that some may have missed) the late blog Faith and Heritage, written from a conservative protestant point of view. I don’t follow lockstep in their particular version of Christianity either, but they make a point of tying their faith and its development and nuances to the culture of a people, and the DNA from which that culture emerged. http://faithandheritage.com/2015/10/ethno-christology-part-1-the-caucasian-christ-law-order-and-valor/
In direct opposition to mere pan racial ‘cultural Christianity,’ I offer up Faith and Heritage’s emphasis on kinism – preferring one’s own people and history and culture, and recognizing that one’s faith has incorporated elements of one’s particular people and place. It’s why I equally reject Christians who want to purge not merely material excess, but also all historic and pagan folkways, from White western Christianity. Yes, I recognize a Christmas tree is not biblical, and no, I don’t care. However, I DO care when said European Christian custom is ‘adopted’ by Mohammedans and Hindoos living in White nations because Christmas has become nothing more than a pretty tree and lights, and . . . amazing coincidence . . . they have those in their beliefs too! We’re all the same after all, amirite?
A people’s culture and history can fuse with others over time – just as European pagans adopted Christianity. But it’s never been peaceful or without casualties. Perhaps it’s not totally historically consistent of me to accept the fusion of European paganism with Christianity and decline the fusion of that White culture which emerged with every Sohrab and Ashok and Feng today. Again, I don’t particularly care. I don’t need gnosticism or any other ‘ism’ to prefer my own people and culture and religious beliefs. Not because I choose to impose them on others or because they may be innately superior (which I believe they are, of course), but because they’re mine.
Those who feel the need to construct a complicated theological and sociological rationale for preferring one’s own people and culture will continue to write for The American Conservative. They will continue to become less American and less conservative, and they will continue to lose. I am a Christian, but I am not a universalist in anything. My personal religious and political beliefs may not pass muster with the learned elders of The American Conservative. But I am not trying to reconstruct a false universalist past and thus justify an even falser universalist present and future. My loyalties are clear, and they lie with White people.
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My loyalties are clear, and they lie with White people.
There are a number of varieties of “White” people. Generally these are segments of the north European post-Neandertal population. These people include warring groups like the English vs. Irish, Swedes vs. Russians, Prussians vs. everyone, Serbs vs. Croats and so on. Given the task of choosing between the Swedes and the Poles, which of those “white” people receive your loyalty and why?
I don’t follow lockstep in their particular version of Christianity
How many versions of Christianity are available to be followed? If there is indeed a single, all-powerful God that sent his son to be sacrificed to save mankind it seems rather important that humans determine exactly the necessary beliefs and procedures to be followed in order to avoid eternal flames. It’s doubtful that any more than a handful of Christians actually fear an infinity of Hell when there’s practically no traffic at 9:30 on Sunday morning and American church services are scheduled to avoid conflicting with NFL football games.
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nailheadtom: Most here, myself included, deride the excesses of modern American society. You alone, however, seem to choose to tie these excesses to White genetics and criticize everything and everyone. I’m so very happy for you that you are perfect and omniscient; I feel no need to justify my beliefs or choices based upon your self-proclaimed inerrancy.
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Gee, no commenters on this site are critical, are they? White genetics doesn’t have much to do with anything. American culture might be a little more significant. The numero uno objective of the majority of Americans is finding a parking space as close as possible to whatever building they intend upon entering. That’s why the employee of the month gets a treasured spot next to the boss’ BMW. There’s premium space reserved for cripples, even though they need exercise perhaps more than others. In fact, Target is considering reserving close spaces for menstruating women, indicated by a sanitary napkin on the dashboard. South American native women in remote locations don’t use sanitary napkins because they’re always pregnant.
Yet people who embrace this kind of thinking also feel that their super-tech culture, at the mercy of continuous electricity, will prevail over primitives that can survive almost anything, including the US military. It doesn’t look good for your grandchildren.
Excellent 3G. Much has been stolen from the story of our people as well as the very nature of the Word. Our duty to our people went the same way as the sword of the Christian soldier.
Coincidence that it is largely the work of a relatively small group of strangers that have severed the entwined roots of our People and the Word. But the strangers merely do what they do. Those who would furnish their enemies are justly liable to suffer.
Nonetheless the duty to our People and our Lord have been set loose, pulling apart both the Word and our People. The moral Christian at his apex now serves the stranger and the suffering afar while his enemies are invited into his home to carve axe handles from his saplings. So indeed appeals to the universal to restore those broken bonds seems il-fated. Instead we look to our duty to serve God in the small and proximate of our People.
Reminds me of the fable.
A man came into a forest and asked the Trees to provide him a handle for his axe. The Trees consented to his request and gave him a young ash-tree. No sooner had the man fitted a new handle to his axe from it, than he began to use it and quickly felled with his strokes the noblest giants of the forest.
An old oak, lamenting when too late the destruction of his companions, said to a neighboring cedar, “The first step has lost us all. If we had not given up the rights of the ash, we might yet have retained our own privileges and have stood for ages.”
What follows in modernity is the lesson of the axe has not just been forgotten but mutated into a fable of a people being so cruel as to not let the foreign man take such a small gift from their forest. After all we have been blessed with a bounty that was only possible because of that cruelty.
In our reformed alt-christian enlightenment we see the stranger with his axe as a new brother, his odd customs and color being a mere function of geography, a distance we close with Gods love.
And so we invite him to teach our children, to lead our people in governance and commerce, and we rest on the laurel knowing that we are good and that we atone for that cruelty of the past.
The children, knowing nothing of the ancient forest, see the stranger and kindle their swelling self-regard with the glory of Progress. You see he is no stranger at all, for the handle of his axe is made of pine!
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There is clearly a continuity between monarchy and today. Napoleon followed the King and when the Kings finally vanished Dictators rose in their place. America forced the dictators from power only for every subsequent democracy to centralize power within an increasingly powerful executive.
Today China more resembles fascism than communism. We could go as far as to say political Party replaced the aristocracy. Much like Napolean’s legion of honor.
The way forward is through but only a hegelian synthesis of our traditions and present reality is that possible. Thus, the Throne and Altar has a part to play in the future.
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Every society is some form of theocracy. It’s a just a question of what belief system is used to underpin authority.
Naturally, the advantage of a theocracy based on a formal religion is that there’s a rule book, which, theoretically, should limit how far the rulers can go. (It doesn’t always work, but the rule book does generally keep the rulers in line.)
What we have now is the worst of both worlds. We have a theocracy, but the rulers get to re-write the religion’s rules every day so there’s no godly limit on what they can do and the plebs are constantly wondering if they’re safe, i.e. anarcho-tyranny.
Regarding going forward versus trying to recapture the past, of course, we can only ever go forward, but we can use lessons from the past to help guide us and to help create a future that works.
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I think this is the essence of why things can’t continue this way. Even Leftists are confused. “just tell me what I’m supposed to say!!” They can’t Mr. 2010-Loyal-Commie. They don’t know themselves what new taboos the Blue Haired fiends will shriek out tomorrow.
Look, no matter how much booze and how many pills that old hag in the House ingests every night, she knows that throwing hundreds of thousands of Anglo Saxons into the streets may result in her head on a pike at some point.
Perhaps cracking a history book before they are all re-written would provide some insight to her, the Dancing Israeli Chuckielesbiandad and their ilk. They seem to be trying pretty hard to convince viewers they are having “fun”.
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“. . . American Conservative post by Sohrab Ahmari, Gladden Pappin, and Chad Pecknold.”
Ahmari, Gladden Pappin, and Chad Pecknold.
Are these real people?
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I have to confess that I assumed the latter two were fake, but I googled them and they are real or as real as anything on-line.
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If I ever become an Essayist on the Information Superhighway my nom de. plume shall be Dirk Drake. Who calls himself “Chad”?
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Hmm, Pappin does sound like a hobbit name…
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Odd.
The leftists insist on a separation of church and state for obvious reasons: faith and morals have no place in worldly affairs and would be bad for business. Honest men will not put up with grifters, and will deal with them if they get stupid about it.
In the bible, we are told to keep affairs of man and state separate too. I believe that is what the stuff about “rendering unto Caesar” is about.
We don’t have to return to the old ways and the old days of the alcoholic mad men, the driven materialism and consumerism of yesteryear… we just need to return to God – and everything else will take care of itself. Think about it – all of our fights and contentious arguments are about the stupidest things: Covid, critical race theory, sexuality even our wars are pointless now. Without God, the dirt people have no direction or purpose. Our leaders get replaced by morons and psychotics.
I think I might disagree with our scholarly blog host: yes, we are going back. There’s nowhere else to go.
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what’s stopping you?
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“the conversion of Roman emperor Constantine the Great in 312 CE…”
Knock it off. It’s AD.
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This is one of those progressive things I agree with. It’s a bit unfair to have something as crucial and basic as time being Christianized. BCE and CE are fine with me. Unless you’d be happy if the Indians had invented time and we’d be in kali-yuga 5122.
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You don’t find it fake and gay, still, to use the (supposed) birth year of Christ as the pivot point for the “common era”, as in before point X and after point X, but to call it something different only because “reasons”.
It is still, objectively, a date that is defined by literally the historically “agreed upon” birth year of Christ. Calling it something different doesn’t make it so. Changing it is the equivalent of removing statues of Robert E Lee. And erecting a statue of MLK or St George Floyd in its place. Trying to hide the historical reasons we have done things or built things because it might hurt someone’s feelings is the absolute definition of FAKE AND GAY.
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It’s more like renaming a statue of Robert E. Lee as one of MLK. Still the same thing it was before.
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I have to say that this in one innovation I like. Christian Era is much more bold and sweeping. It also implies were remain in the Christian era, which opens he door for useful rhetoric.
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I thought “CE” meant “common era”,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era
I mean, I have no problem with just saying “Christian Era”, but I don’t think that’s what THEY mean when they use CE.
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I insist on Christian Era for obvious reasons.
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Indeed. Not many recognized the Latin AD. Might as well have it in English, the modern universal language
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English (with proper grammar and spelling) is more like High Church Latin. The modern universal language is Engrish – a curious pidgin with random spelling and only a 2000 word vocabulary but over 17,000 different consonants and vowels. The most helpful reference for learning it is to just listen to American hip hop all day or call tech support at any large corporation.
Be careful where you speak actual English – “Unaware of what year it was, Joe wandered the streets desperate for help. But the English language had deteriorated into a hybrid of hillbilly, valleygirl, inner-city slang and various grunts. Joe was able to understand them, but when he spoke in an ordinary voice he sounded pompous and faggy to them.”
I always ask if CE means Christian Era and BCE means Before Christian Era……..
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I always understood “Don’t immanentize the eschaton!” to refer to fellow conservatives who were Evangelicals that were seeing the Antichrist under every rock or even trying to bring about the Eschaton by supporting Israel and donating to a Third Temple and stuff like that. Of course, I wasn’t alive then so I can’t really say I know this.
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I have a great deal of hope that the way forward is the blossoming of Orthodox Christianity in the West. According to my beliefs, the Orthodox Church is the *actual* Church, and the Papal pretender inevitably must fail and collapse. It’s a shame so many traditionalists cling to the dying body of Papism, even as it sheds any shred of apparent legitimacy and becomes an outright and obvious competent of the NWO pigwhore beast system.
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Probably the American one, the one that doesn’t exist yet. What I mean is that I agree with the basic idea of the OP but the Russian and Greek variants are just too… Russian and Greek to transplant here. This is if we are going to stick with some sort of Christianity.
“the one that doesn’t exist yet”
We’re similar, yet different. I want a to awaken white nationalism in America that doesn’t exist yet and you want to awaken Orthodoxy.
We’ll see who succeeds. I wish you all the best of luck.
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as a trad papist , I can tell you we do not worry what the pretender has to say. It doesn’t affect us locally. A number of Catholics I know have went over to the greek or russian orthodox.
Oswald Spengler went over all of this. Cultures have a lifespan. History isn’t linear, it’s cyclical. Just as there are no Roman legions now occupying Britain there will soon be no US Navy Seals deployed to the Middle East. While it may be interesting to reflect on the future, no ordinary person can do anything about it. Even the nutty decisions of the phony leaders have little or no effect on what happens next.
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I agree, you should throw yourself off the nearest cliff.
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personally, I have three twentysomthing kids and a couple of grandkids so opting out of the future is not possible for me .
I think there is a bottleneck coming . we have to navigate through as best we can .
I advise you younger guys to fingd a good woman or rehab a bad one and get the family going.
Tom, it may be civilizations have a natural lifespan that can’t be altered much. If that is true, our team, which is trying to preserve western civilization, is like the old people who are grasping at every medical fad to prolong their life.
For me, I must keep grasping to preserve our civilization, even if it is as futile as trying to keep a 100 year old man alive. Maybe Spengler overlooked something…
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We here are followers of a generally-shared muse: to build an optimal European Society. Scientists and Engineers of Society looking through the parts box: contemplating what do have, what better stability point can we reach.
What we would consider Success is possible. But how do we do it? That is the muse. We may fail; we may succeed.
We follow the muse because we are people of the muse, through its joys and anguishes, just because it’s the muse that was given to us.
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I think that I’ll go for a walk after lunch. There, I’ve changed my future.
Cultures may have lifespans, but to say that we can influence the future with our own actions is insane.
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I think you meant “cannot influence”. We actually do the same things to both change our own futures AND that of the larger society, which is build whatever new things we can according to our values, not those of the decaying society around us. In Florida, near where I used to live, there’s a giant tree that’s over 2500 years old. It’s held up with the aid of cables. Eventually it will fall no matter how many wires they attach.
The thing to do is to be spending most of our efforts planting new trees and even making some effort to make sure the support cables on the “old trees” don’t snap. The woke are basically people trying to not only pull the old trees down but bulldoze the forest and salt the land so nothing new can ever grow as well.
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I admire much of what Christianity gave the West although I don’t find Christianity inspiring. I concede that this may be my own failing.
One of the most striking features of the early adoption of Christianity was that it greatly diminished the cruelty of the Romans. Of course, the Christians still burned heretics on occasion, but it seems like Christianity greatly reduced torture for entertainment. Each human life had an intrinsic value and dignity under Christianity.
While I think this change was a good thing, I can hear Nietzsche criticizing me that this change necessarily inducted the worship of the broken and our current problems. Perhaps we must accept a certain callousness towards human life to avoid wokeism?
Are our choices like high school where we must choose between being ruled by the jocks (pagans) who stuff us into lockers or by being ruled by the disgusting f@gg0ts and egalitarians (most Christians)?
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you’re right that christianity has been responsible for uplifting the humanity of europeans. Peak of christianity was the end of slavery(for a very brief period), a lot of people were allowed to blossom cause of it, they’ve uplifted western society & made it what it was, this would not have been possible under paganism, which goes hand in hand with slavery.
But all this is going away and now we’re left both without a high-trust society & without a fighting spirit.
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Agree with Sentry but I’ll add: we get tough or we don’t survive. Life is suffering. We can embrace it or the tomb.
At the risk of injecting my quasi-pagan-possibly-heretical Christian beliefs, that’s the significance of the empty tomb.
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do catholics really want vatican to rule over them, what’s the point? You exchange one set of pedophile elites for another set of pedophile elites. If your answer is “we’ll clean up the vatican first!” then why don’t you clean up your own governments instead, easier said than done, bunch of utopian nonsense.
western world is beyond degenerate at this point, things won’t change by simply picking a different team. “Ooo, they praise Jesus that means they must be good!”, what simple-minded thinking. Priests have turned Jesus into a migrant-loving figure, who approves of sodomites.
This plandemic has made it abundantly clear that priests are not special, they are regular folk who want to make a living, they go along with whatever bullshit governement imposes on them. Are they martyrs? Have they sacrificed themselves for the good of the flock? Gimme a break. Nothing will go back as it was, things will degenerate till violence ensues, the winners will take it all, that’s all there is.
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once the military is sufficiently weakened and ineffective , the CCP will come in and set things up however they see fit . think Tibet writ large. or Ukraine under the USSR. we are not going to have a say in it. and forget the ” nuclear deterrence” . if you think that general ” i will warn the CCP if we are planning an attack” miliey would ever let a launch proceed , you are kidding yourself.
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PLA disguised as UN blue helmets will be invited to, “help,” with any insurrectionists.
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Blue helmets make good targets.
The ultimate peace with China will probably be when we offer to sell the urban Goodwhites to them as slave labor in exchange for a peace agreement with them. Everybody wins! The Chinese get lots of new slaves which is something they can’t get enough of by locking their own people up in the Laogai for unpaid parking tickets. What’s left of Murrica gets cultural peace and lots of nice urban real estate that finally becomes habitable again. The Goodwhites get to learn that their mommy (all three of them) lied when xe told them they were special snowflakes and maybe after 25 years of working in the mines learn what work is. Excuse me now, I need to put that recording of Louis Armstrong singing “What a Wonderful World” on loop.
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Priests come from the society that raises them. Ymmv.
You are not wrong that we are tres screwed on many fronts. So what, do nothing?
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titanic has already hit the iceberg, what else can you do at this point. if life/destiny gives you the opportunity to save some of your people then do it, but you can’t force the western world out of its feminized lethargic state, the only thing that can do that is desperation & struggle that comes out of hard times.
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The Magna Carta lasted about 30 days. King John appealed to the church and was given Devine approval to renege on his signature. I doubt the constitution would last much longer under the current pope.
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“…the old Gnostic dualism where the material world is evil, and the god is pure good. Critical theory then becomes the logos connecting the two.”
Can’t help being reminded of Z’s comment about EMJ being a Marxist. I’m not studied enough to know the boundaries between Marxism, postsructuralism, Critical Theory, etc., but there does seem to be a common thread in all of this modern leftism concerning language.
Which is interesting given EMJ’s focus on the Logos, and his background as a literature guy.
Another thing that jumps out is how left and right will grapple with the same ideas, but the left will arrive at subjectivity while the right, objectivity.
Idk, it’s one of those problems that comes to my attention from time to time and gets put aside. I’m certain there’s some elegant solution to be teased out of it, but I’ll be damned if I know how!
But Z-Man, empirically Revanchism is mostly a success. France did regain Alsace-Lorraine. Zionism was successful. So was Irish Independence. So was Khomeni’s Islamic Revolution. So too is Xi’s Maoist Revanchism. And the Taliban. I would not dismiss it.
Particularly when White men young and old have nothing invested in the current system. White heroes everywhere are replaced by go-Grrrl feminists and black people and gays and trannies. They mean nothing and are naturally repulsive to White men. White men are not the majority but they are the majority and vast majority of people of ability and potential.
Yes we can’t recapture the past, Thomas Wolfe was correct (you can’t go home again), but we can recapture specific goals. Irish Independence did not recreate the old Irish Kingdoms but did give the Irish people (for a time) their own nation.
Negative identities are very, very powerful as is hate. Look at how far black people have come with those tools — to dominate all nations of the West, completely. Empirically those who succeed against Globohomo are revanchist, filled with hate, and have negative identities. Hate must have a home here. Certainly the Iranian, Israeli, and Chinese authorities and people have negative, hate-driven identities and they have been quite successful each in their own way of resisting Globohomo. The Taliban beat the US and in the end made us run away like the French. Like the man said, Anger is an Energy.
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I want to disagree with Whiskey and then he pulls a Thomas Wolfe quote. I am helpless.