One of the weird things about this phase of liberal democracy has been the normalization of conspiracy theories. Thirty years ago, everyone, regardless of their political inclinations or what they thought of the other side, dismissed the claims of the conspiracy community. At best the deep state conspiracy was a plot device for a fantastical Hollywood script. At worst, it was a sign that the person may be struggling with mental illness.
Today most people think there is a deep state. In fact, the phrase deep state has become a normal part of discourse. In conventional politics it can mean anything from the leaders of both parties to nefarious forces controlling the institutions. George Soros is part of the deep state, even though the deep state is supposed to be a shadowy group of people unknown to the general public. Even secret societies need to be personalized, so the deep state has many public faces.
You do not have to line your clothes with aluminum foil to wonder if there is not something going on off camera that explains what is happening. For example, the berserk effort by Western government to “decarbonize” the West looks like a suicide pact by a collection of cult leaders. How can these people really think it is good idea to shut down Dutch farming to save Gaia? How does returning Germany to using wood for heat make any sense? There must be something else.
Of course, we all know that there is no such thing as a deep state but it is not hard to see why people are open to it. It is sort of like the concept of space-time. That is, it is an invention of mankind to help explain the universe. The fact that it does not exist is not really important because it allows physics to explore the universe. At some point it will be abandoned for a deeper understanding. The same may be true of the deep state in that it works for now, even though it is not real.
For example, when you see an ad for something like plant based milk you are supposed to think, “why yes, I would prefer this over actual milk.” Then your brain reminds you that we have no need for plant-based milk. We have plenty of actual milk. The reason we have lots of real milk is we invented refrigeration so that we no longer have to rely upon things like almond milk. That is when that concept of the deep state fills in the blank and you begin to wonder what they are up to with this.
This is when someone chimes in about lactose intolerance, but you do not build a church for Easter Sunday and you do not build an industry for people who cannot digest milk enzymes. Similarly, you do not invest billions on meat made from twigs and bugs that “tastes almost like real meat!” Similarly, you do not bother inventing eggs made from grass that are almost like real eggs. These are solutions in search of a problem, perhaps a problem contemplated by the deep state.
Now, solutions in search of a problem are not new. The e-book was supposed to replace the real book, but there was never a need to replace the book. It was the result of two thousand years of evolution starting with the early Christians. By the 20th century it was the ideal solution to distributing the written word. That did not stop smart people from pushing the idea of the e-book. Innovation is as much about bad ideas and it is the few good ideas that are genuine improvements on the old ideas.
In the present age, the managerial class plays an outsized role in picking winners and losers, so there is money to be made exploiting their hopes and fears. This has always been the genius of Elon Musk. His projects all tap into the boutique beliefs of the managerial class. He is a futurist selling futuristic solutions to the problems of the future to people haunted by the prospect they will not see the glorious future. They are willing to spend your money to achieve their dreams.
Klaus Schwab is working the same grift. The World Economic Forum is a crackpot idea that appeals to the vanity of the managerial class. It did not get much traction until he was able to hook a few billionaires to attend his event. That was the validation needed to turn the thing into Burning Man for the managerial elite. They go to be seen with their analogs in the other parts of the managerial class. The deep state vibe is part of the appeal to people who spend their days in committees.
What has happened over the last thirty years since the end of the Cold War is the Western managerial class has evolved both a class consciousness and a messianic religion that binds them together. It is why they have become so paranoid about the people over whom they rule. A big part of being a Cloud Person is thinking about how much you disdain the Dirt People. Displaying your cloudiness is often just expressing your contempt for dirtiness.
This is why the concept of the deep state has caught on. From the perspective of the Dirt People, it looks like there is a secret set of hands guiding the movement of the clouds and the people inhabiting them. When all of a sudden, every chattering skull on television is chanting “keev” you cannot help but think it is scripted. The ads for food made from bugs make a lot more sense when you imagine a secret cabal plotting to kill off farming to please Gaia.
Like space-time, the concept of the deep state works because it allows for the further exploration of the environment in which we find ourselves. The fact that it is not a real thing, at least not in the way it is used, does not matter right now. Blaming Klaus Schwab or Bill Gates for the current crisis is fine. Waging war on the people profiting from the system is almost as good as attacking the system itself. For most people, raging against the deep state is comforting.
Just as the reality of the universe lies beyond the interface of space-time, the reality of the managerial state lies beyond the deep state. It is not a collection of super villains controlling the world. It is a system that produces the super villains it needs to control the population over which it rules. If Klaus Schwab did not exist, the system would simply invent him just as physics invented space-time. These bad guys are a necessary interface to the managerial system.
There is another aspect to the deep state interface. It is comforting. The people invited to the soiree’s like WEF and Davos get to think they are influencers, shaping the mind of the deep state actors. The Cloud People can be sure there is a powerful force guiding their hand. The Dirt People get the comfort of knowing there is a rational actor behind the movement of the clouds. Perhaps he is amenable to reason or perhaps he can one day be defeated by the Dirt People.
Maybe like space-time, the deep state interface will be useful in breaking the system open to expose its internal workings. On the other hand, it may come to be a great impediment to understanding the world. There are some who think space-time has inhibited our ability to understand the universe. Regardless, the deep state does not exist, but it is useful. Like electric cars and milk made from bugs, it has a purpose, even if we cannot be sure whose ends it serves.
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Of course, we all know that there is no such thing as a deep state…
The greatest trick the deep state ever pulled was convincing people it doesn’t exist.
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Seriously! I mean anyone that looks at history, which we know zman does, knows that history is pretty much propelled for forward one conspiracy after another. But the people are definitely primed to say anyone that says conspiracy is crazy. My Arch liberal sister, she’ll pull that and then I’ll just say “MK ultra!” because she knows it was real. It gives her pause but she forgets almost immediately. It’s really something to see
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Its really something to behold.
I have several old – new lefties in my immediate family.
You know the type – anti Vietnam war protestors in their youth. Moved on to beleiving the CiA and other IC agencies were pulling strings behind the scenes to push war for corporations (they were pretty dodgy on how war benefitted coca cola or whatever though). Soft on communism.
Anyway, these people are now the biggest CoVidians I know. Theyre also convinced that Trump is the leader of a fascist movement that threatens “our democracy”. And that the sainted CIA and FBI are justified in doing anything to stop him.
Its completely nuts the way they’ve flipped 180 degrees. Especially when theres clear evidence that they were correct about a lot of the crazy stuff they believed decades ago.
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It seems to be we’re all just living in parallel worlds now. I started reading this blog the other day, it’s some military guy that wrote it, and it’s just the opposite of everything I think is true. It was like it is a different world in the multiverse. I checked out another couple entries and he had one on vaccine injuries. And it appears he has one though he won’t admit it he got temporarily paralyzed (!) after vaccine but he doesn’t think it’s related. Almost the entire comment section was proud of being vaccinated and about half of them had injuries they said we’re just coincidence. It’s just two different worlds
https://turcopolier.com/unable-to-even-fix-its-own-tanks-russias-humiliation-is-now-complete/#comment-207445
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These types believe what they are told to believe. They are not inconsistent in their minds because objective reality doesn’t exist, only The Current Thing and the approved opinion about it. Yes, it’s sort of post-modernism but there is a psychological element that we do not really understand, although it would be beneficial if we did.
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I think for some (many, most?) the psychological angle is a certain comfort that this is both intentional or directed to some purpose. To accept Pfizer knew what it was doing, harm was certain to result and efficacy was minimal to nonexistent is to accept that forces are arrayed against you that intend you harm with little to no ability to prevent it.
S/b that this is NOT intentional
Pat Shannan, Editor
http://www.ini-world-report.org
“The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst. It rejects even the assumption that human creatures could espouse a philosophy which must ultimately destroy all that is good and decent.” — J. Edgar Hoover ~The Elks Magazine, August 1956
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i see a come back vehicle for kevin spacey in the movie “Deep State”.
“Just as the reality of the universe lies beyond the interface of space-time, the reality of the managerial state lies beyond the deep state. It is not a collection of super villains controlling the world. It is a system that produces the super villains it needs to control the population over which it rules.”
Wow. Where to start?
I wanted to be generous and think this was a matter of semantics until the paragraph quoted above. “Deep State” is a term borrowed from the Ottomans and describes a permanent bureaucracy that serves both the State and the oligarchs to which it is beholden. No, the managerial state does not lie beyond the Deep State, but serves it.
The extrajudicial and unchecked behavior from federal law enforcement agents, for example, are not beyond the Deep State but subservient to it. So a quick thought experiment: who wields more actual power, Nancy Pelosi or Klaus Shwab? If Pelosi ordered the FBI to arrest Shwab, and he in turn ordered them to destroy her, which would be the most likely to happen?
There are conspiracy theories and there are conspiracy facts. Given all that has risen to the surface in recent years, it isn’t hard to discern which is which. The Deep State is a conspiracy fact, and its existence is why we spend so much time mulling the futility of democracy.
It is hard to think you believe otherwise. I don’t think I will invest much time debating or discussing this one.
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I’m not sure how to approach this. It may be the case that you and I define “Deep State” differently. I shy away from the idea that there exists an Oz-like character or characters directing events from behind the curtain, but I do believe there are entrenched figures more powerful than our elected officials, who pass the baton to each other without detection.
It’s like referring to the Corona Hoax. Very few people dispute the existence of the virus and that it’s been responsible for some not insignificant number of deaths, but the response was so disproportionate to the risk that reasonable people can safely conclude that there was a concerted effort to pull the wool over the eyes of the general public and refer to it as a “hoax”.
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We don’t even have to go that far even though everything you wrote is true.
Here’s absolute proof the Deep State not only exists but is the only thing that matters in the American system: Joe Biden. You literally have to have as little sentience as he does to believe Biden decides a single thing or effects policy and administration in any manner. An argument could be made that he is a puppet of the managerial state, but it would fail because he exercises absolutely no control over it, even the parts where he has the authority to do so. The managerial state serves a different master.
This is too silly to waste time on, frankly.
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Joe Biden’s ascendance in 2020 was itself the result of a conspiracy.
The guy was sinking in the early primaries. The more voters saw him the more they were revolted and chose anyone else.
Then the magic Negro in SC endorsed him.
And all his opponents that had been kicking his ass pulled out in short order. Because reasons. Shut up.
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IMO the deep state is just a phrase to describe the permanent bureaucracy and their media – academic partners.
All of those entities clearly exist. They all act symbiotically, reinforcing each other intellectually and financially.
They are also highly resistant to outside influence. The independence and intransigence of the permanent bureaucracy has been noted for many decades – really going on a century. Truman commented on it in the 1940s. Academia is likewise an insulated community fully funded by the government in a variety of opaque ways. The media has become dependent of the government and wealthy patrons with an interest in the government due to the collapse of their advertising business model.
The CoVid hysteria was driven entirely by that deep state. Academia provided specious justification and the media provided hysteria for a power grab by the bureaucracy. The elected politicians most went along and were celebrated for doing so. The few that bucked the system were attacked and mocked – even as they were proven correct and publicly supported.
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Dr. Anthony Fauci has moved from the private sector to government and back I don’t know how many times, enriching himself along the way and controlling not only public health policy but who receives the money to justify what he wants to implement for himself and his friends.
Yes, I know he has been sidelined because he is now a political liability, but only because he agreed to a lower profile.
The only semantic problem with calling Fauci “Deep State” is that he is one of the oligarchs it serves, albeit a lesser one.
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The deep state doesn’t require obvious leadership, which would be a weakness. Rather it operates like a humungous termite nest where all the members play their role anonymously except to their closest associates. A minor figure in the US Department of Agriculture knows nothing of a receptionist at the Health Administration of Cameroon but the two share a world view and duty.
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This is very well said. Also, they serve various grifts along the way. This article is a good example of what you are talking about with immigration: https://www.amren.com/commentary/2022/07/america-the-globalist-grift/
Bravo! I wish I could be that succinct btw.
Yesterday’s conspiracy theories are today’s reality. So today’s conspiracy theories feel like movie spoilers.
I remember hearing Jesse Ventura and Alex Jones decades ago ranting about fake epidemics and mandated vaccines that make you sick being used to control us. Well, here we are. Same with mass immigration, money printing, war for profit, media control, election rigging…
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Honestly, the events of 9/11 was a larger catalyst than most people realize. The incident happened at the dawn of when the internet was accessible to average Joes, which enabled the theories to spread like wildfire. There were so many odd happenings and coincidences that it’s hard to agree with the official narrative. It also was huge and cataclysmic enough to keep people’s attention for a long time. One doesn’t have to go complete “9/11 was a complete inside job” to ascertain something big was covered up, it’s just a matter of how deep the rabbit hole leads.
Another classic was the OKC bombing, but the media was entrenched enough then to keep it from getting traction. Now you have people who just nod along with what was considered tin-foil level and unpatriotic ten years ago.
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What followed 9-11 was The Patriot Act. Almost like it was all planned out or something, but no, that’s crazy talk.
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Wasn’t the Patriot Act the bill Pelosi insisted, “…must be passed before we can know what’s in it?”
A 2000 page long bill that was just sitting there on a shelf collecting dust, ready to go in response to a terrorist attack.
Totally coincidental, I’m sure.
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That was the OTraitor Care bill I believe.
I believe that law was written long before it was passed. There was also the PNAC (Project for a New American Century), declaration of which all of the Bush junta and neo-cons were signatories and authors.
That document effectively said, “Now that the Cold War is over, how do we get Boobus Americanus to accept increasing military budgets so we can create a global hegemonic empire that has full spectrum dominance for a century or more?”
They concluded that it would take a Pearl Harbor like event to spook, enrage the American public into supporting it without knowing what they were supporting. I think it was published in ’96.
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I and many of my friends were in ‘defense’ in one capacity or another, government or contractor. ALL of us got warnings about Israeli art students. We had an American glasnost for 2-4 weeks after 9/11, the shock of which had paralyzed the organs of censorship. Remember Carl Cameron’s Fox News series? Down the memory hole …
There was a lot going on and I’m sure that most of it escaped my notice. I don’t know the truth, but I do know that whatever globohomo corporate media wants me to believe is lies.
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I’m astonished how open these conspirators are about their plans. We hear about “The Great Reset”, which includes eating the bugs, living in a pod, and “you will own nothing and be happy,” and there’s an actual book Klaus Schwab wrote where he explains it. It was also the cover story of Time magazine, November 2020.
Then we see BlackRock buying up entire neighborhoods, driving the price of housing up past where normal folks can afford to buy, but I’m sure it’s just a coincidence and nothing to do with “you will own nothing.”
We’re at the point now where everything’s out in the open, including that one group (1.8 percent of the population) that is vastly overrepresented in finance, entertainment, news, Biden’s administration, etc, although I’m sure it’s no big deal and just a coincidence.
Who’s more accurate, the Conspiracy Theorists or the Coincidence Theorists?
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“I’m astonished how open these conspirators are about their plans.”
You’re right. The Deep State may more correctly be called the Shallow State seeing that it’s machinations often lie in plain sight.
Plus ‘Shallow’ is a far more apt term for the peddlers of all this garbage than ‘Deep’.
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I guess one of the big questions, or maybe the big question is whether or not the “deep state” or the administrative state or whoever can pull it off. Can they actually force the comprehensive shelving of fossil fuels (other than for themselves of course) and normal farm production of everyday food for the world’s population? Can they actually force everyone into their fantastical paradigm with no massive blowback?
It’s hard to believe TPTB can pull it off. Maybe all these seemingly unrelated events are simply coincidence, but when looked at together, it all appears pretty damn shady. Here’s hoping more people wake the heck up soon. The way things are going, even using old fashioned horses and mules for transportation, let alone burning wood for light and heat, would be outlawed.
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I can’t figure out how these people honestly believe they can support the modern industrial society required to fight a two front world war without using any fossil fuels.
I mean, if one watches the flight trackers, they’re certainly burning up quite a bit of avgas flying troops and material to Europe for a late summer/early fall offensive.
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Wild Geese, to be fair, I doubt that the leaders and Clouds really give two hoots if they can pull it off… except for themselves, of course. This is their Evil on full display: they’ll talk a good game, but in the end we’ll suffer; and they likely won’t.
Look at it this way: I must be forced to ditch my IC car, buy an overpriced, limited range EV, and use far less electricity so that Mr. Prime Minister can score a point at ‘Green Bingo’: he can then brag to other countries about ‘How Green we are!’… he won’t give a damn about the meddling and suffering caused by it all.
That said, I am beginning to see the coming hardship as a good thing? I mean, why should we have it so easy? Why must people be kept in their bubble of belief that we’ll always have a functioning first world country. Of course, the suffering is only good if it brings realization… an ‘awakening’ of sorts; and there is a chance that most will still double-down on Their Love for The System.
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If action follows the awakening, yes, the suffering will prove a tremendous thing. I honestly think the first Cloud will be assassinated this year. It most likely will be an inside job: poisoned food, a jet intentionally brought down, something of that nature. If that happens, and I think it will be something along those lines, the response of the managerial state to the death will be the thing to watch.
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Uh, the neocon (wars for the sake of power) and neolib (alleged humanitarian wars) segments of the Cloud People definitely care about waging and winning a major war.
I would say based on what is happening in Singapore with the results of forcing organic farming on them, the answer is no. For this will also impoverish a lot of elites. I think eventually some elites feel the pain and move against the crazies.
Holland is an interesting case though. Will the city people realize that they are next, or are they too far gone on their college degreed boat trips into oblivion.
When all of a sudden, every chattering skull on television is chanting “keev” you cannot help but think it is scripted
Because it was?
Its possible that all the chattering empty skulls jumped on the keev bandwagon as some kind of organic emergent phenomenon. But the Ukraine flag pins that they all started wearing simultaneously did not just spring into existence ex nihilo. They are the end result of a supply chain, manufacturing and distribution. IE some planning was required. Punctuated by the fact that they appeared at once. And were all the same.
Thats the tel. The same way that you can protest is legitimately grass roots or astro turf is by the signs and messaging. Grass roots movements have discordant messaging and home made signs. Astro turfed – planned movements have unified messaging and professionally printed signs.
You could even see that with Ukraine war fever. The propagandists had unified messaging and commercially produced visual aids. The useful idiots have discordant messaging and home made signs.
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bureaucracy is the deep state.
4chan is beautiful
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There’s probably no stronger dichotomy in visions of man than Klaus Schwab and Elon Musk. One can argue that Musk is a grifter playing off the fantasies of the managerial class, and you’re probably right, but that doesn’t diminish that they have very different visions of humanity’s future.
Musk dreams of a world where people colonize the Moon, Mars, Asteroids, and beyond, creating infrastructure in space capable of massive expeditions and technologies that will fuse the Human Mind with the processing power of machines to be able to do enormous tasks far easier, and eventually biohacking people to allow them to live very long spans and leave our home planet.
Schwab wants a world where all the plebs are equal, they eat the bugs, they live in their pods, and they reproduce based on the whims of the upper crusts of society. They will take their mandatory vaccine and spend all their free time in a VR headset playing cartoonish games. There’s no grand future for humanity, no aspirations for greatness, but just a hive of Last Men who scurry the world like ants until they perish.
Not a fan of either of their ideas, but at least Elon is not explicitly anti-human. Schwab and the system that made him is the quintessential technocrat with high IQ but spiritual deadness.
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Most of the people in Klaus Schwab’s class are true believers that man is destroying the planet. Their solution is to slightly raise the standard of living in the third world and grind down the middle and working classes in the developed world to the level of peasants. The elites will make no sacrifices in this arrangement at all. There is certainly coordination across governments although it is not as organized as most people think. They are working towards the same ends but don’t have some master plan.
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Yes, that’s always been the goal of globalization and equality. Like water seeking its’ own level, wages and living conditions between the West and the Third World would flatten out and equalize. Not for the elites of course.
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Musk grew up in South Africa and he isn’t an idiot. I suspect there’s more to his Mars obsession than simply an interest in space flight.
Perhaps he’s thinking of Mars as that exit where the buses don’t run.
Especially when he keeps commenting on Earth civilization being on shaky ground.
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The problem with that theory is that he has gone out of his way to trash the white government of South Africa he grew up under. He goes way beyond mealy mouthed denunciations in order to stay in the good graces of the global elite. I don’t think that is it.
All we ever wanted was to be left alone. Elon Musk is certainly a moral giant compared to the verminous Klaus Schwab. However, we should never forget that he is a foreigner. He came into our country to play the corruption game in our system for his own ends. That his ends are to some degree not odious does not make him American.
The system that Musk learned to play so well is a mutilated hybrid of the competing visions of civilizational mission of cloud and dirt. I would rather see the OUR resources expended on space exploration than on welfare for parasitic invaders. However, I’d rather it be spent now on expelling the invaders, holding the traitors to account, and putting civilization back onto a firm foundation and leave space exploration for future generations. Nothing built on quicksand is going to last.
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Deep State doesn’t exist? Maybe we’ve a definitional discrepancy.
If institutions like Davos, WEC, G7, Builderberg, among many others do indeed exist and similar “leaders” attend these forums, isn’t that a deep worldwide state (institutionalized coordination)?
The Catholic Church recognized this 300 years ago where 150 years ago HUMANUM GENUS laid it out succinctly. This attack on Roman Catholicism was not solely aimed at the Catholic Church, but more fully on Christain institutions worldwide. Is not what we are seeing now the final inning?
https://www.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_18840420_humanum-genus.html
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Well, the Deep State probably doesn’t exist in a formal sense, like the Rotary Club or something like that.
But it makes a convenient short-hand for what would probably be better described as “emergent behavior”. That is, there’s no evil genius behind the curtain, this is just how large, dysfunctional organizations with too much power and money act.
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There is Yarval Harari – who may / may not be a genius, but he is evil.
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that’s what i think; there is a semantic issue here. the managerial class (concept) seems like an analog of the deep state (concept). in practice zman, how is the managerial state any different than the deep state? either way voting is non-effective.
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There are too many of them; their brains are over active, there is nothing real for them to do; most of them really can do nothing “real”.
Intellectual overburden.
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Oh boy, OK I’ll try to tackle this.
First, current cosmology posits that everything in the Universe began at a point prior to the Big Bang, and then all matter and energy began radiating outward from that point thereafter. This continuing movement from the point of origin outward is what is called “space-time.” IOW, where something is and when it is are both aspects of the same thing. It is movement along a pathway of a particular thing of interest. And since there is no such thing as a universal yardstick with which to measure this movement, we use an idealized frame of reference with conceptualized measurement tools (think of it as an imaginary box with arbitrary units of measure assigned to each axis). Now imagine that this box is moving along a cosmic pathway and every increment of movement is defined as a unit of time. Inside the box, it’s displacement measurement. Outside the box, it’s time measurement.
Not sure is this helps, but it’s the best I can do.
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Spacetime is doomed: https://www.facebook.com/SLAC.National.Lab/videos/2009441359067234/
Don’t think so.
10 dimensions explained:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxieS-6WuA
Space-time is real from an organism’s point of view
Because organisms are related, they share a partial existence through time. My father and me are related, so the time and place when he was a boy is going to leave some kind of mark on me. What he felt are the same things I’m going to feel, just in another space and time. The scenery changes around us while we in a sense remain the same.
Now that this may not be the sci-fi concept that Z had in mind, and honestly I don’t know what he’s referring to, but it’s real and a part of our existence. We are simply going to have thoughts, ideas, feelings, experiences, that we share with our kin. That same feeling of pleasure in feeling the wind in his hair for my relative 1000 years ago is the same feeling I have today. in some way for that split second in time we are the same person but in a different place and time, or we might as well be because the feeling of our being alive is identical and we are basically the same person for that moment.
So I think there is a human type of space time. It’s part of sharing DNA.
And it goes on and on forever perhaps. I mean an ant today was the same ant 1000 years ago. Did the ant really change? Can anyone really say it is completely different and has a totally novel and new set of experiences? Did time really change for them? Does it matter? Humans are more complex, but not so much so that these same things wouldn’t apply. Time is like an ocean around us, not a linear continuum. And space is only a different part of the ocean. My sense is that this is how less complex animals sense the world around them, such as dogs or horses, they carry with them a deeper sense of their ancestors as expressed through their instinctive behavior.
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it’s not ‘space-time’ it’s ‘spacetime’, a single word and concept. you can read about it on wikipedia, although i didn’t find their description particularly helpful. but at least you will learn roughly where it fits into the scheme of things 🙂
I doubt wiki would help me understand it. I still can’t wrap my head around the Big Bang.
So I work in the world I know and comprehend, and that is the human perception of time and space. And in that sense we are one big blob that spans the years and makes everything one. And so time and space are not completely and utterly detached from person to person.
If the blink of God’s eye equates to 100 years of our time, then a newborn suckling his mother in 1922 is happening at the same time as another little guy in 2022. So as long as time is seen as as something of human perception, and not merely clock time, then the concept of space and time starts to collapse on itself.
And we know that time is largely perception. At least where it matters, in terms of us relating to the world around us. 15 minutes staring at a pot on the stove waiting for water to boil is different than the 15 minutes anxiously waiting in line to board a huge rollercoaster, but the clock says they’re the same. A 25 year old told he has one year to live, every hour and every day means something different than the 25 year old planning for his retirement in 45 years. Etc etc
But many of the people here are beyond me in their scientific prowess and understanding and reading into things like spacetime. I’m like bill Buckley back in the day wanting to tell the world to stop. There are more ways to look at space and time than the scientific way. He he.
“Of course, we all know that there is no such thing as a deep state but it is not hard to see why people are open to it….”
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Mmmmm.
Hunter Biden’s cell phone apparently just got hacked, and is more damning than his laptop was. And he won’t face a minute of jail time. Am I to believe that Epstein committed suicide? Ghislane is riding out her jail time in the poshest prison possible – when other pedos are tossed in to the general population to be torn apart by the other inmates.
In point of fact, at least 50% of the managerial class would love nothing better than to stab their boss in the back and take his place. The Republicans should be going apechit with all the dirt they have on Democrat cloud people. 20~30 years ago they would have torn the donks to shreds over it. The managerial class itself would have done it.
If there is no deep state… then some unknown force is working on the managerial class to force them into submission. Sorry Z, this is why these guys do their business behind closed doors, become multimillionaires when they don’t have the brains to push a mop, and are running around free when others would go to jail.
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If you want to imagine the deep state as some nefarious group meeting in a sort of Masonic hall wearing ancient robes and citing liberal incantations then yes, it doesn’t exist. Remember the word defacto? Well, it applies here. Just because cartoons like Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates exist doesn’t mean that embedded long term nefarious bureaucrats in the Fbi, State Department aren’t running things long after their liberal counterparts have vacated office.
What’s next, no such thing as jewish influence and all it’s ramifications?
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the Stonecutters episode from the Simpsons—-
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Bwahaha!
“Who controls the British crown?
Who keeps the metric system down?
We do, we do
Who keeps Atlantis off the maps?
Who keeps the Martians under wraps?
We do, we do
Who holds back the elctric car?
Who makes Steve Gutenberg a star?
We do, we do
Who robs gamefish of their site?
Who rigs every Oscar night?
We do, we do!”
Probably all true. Except they ain’t holding back the EVs no more.
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Well said, Glen.
I was considering writing my own reply, but you did my job for me… and better.
After all, if you were Evil (most elites are) and you had enormous influence and you had friends who were the same; wouldn’t you push your agenda in secret/semi-secret? What is this if not deceitful maneuvering behind the scenes – a ‘Deep State/System’?
But perhaps that’s the difference: I see the elites as pursuing purposive Evil; many others just see stupidity and incompetence.
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There’s no mysterious force motivating these people; rather it’s the same force that’s been plaguing humanity for millennia: sin. There’s little secret about who is doing what and why. If it were a murder scene, there would be fingerprints and hair clumps galore. The people wrecking society from above are vicious and foolish, devoid of subtlety. They are consumed by their vices and children of their father, the devil (who parades about like a roaring lion). There is no mystery about who they are and what they want. There is no conspiracy, just vice. It truly is as simple and obvious as it appears: they are wholly owned by evil.
Yeah, i caught the dox. Hope all is well. Those guys are contemptable.
What do you mean? Who got doxed?
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‘The World Economic Forum is a crackpot idea that appeals to the vanity of the managerial class…validation needed to turn the thing into Burning Man for the managerial elite’.
While a clever insult to the WEF, those guys might take it as a compliment.
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As much as I disagree with the premise of this piece, ” Burning Man for the managerial elite” is a brilliant line.
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I think people are evolving their opinions
A few years ago it seemed impossible to imagine or fathom the magnitude of the problem, so it came more readily that all the weird things happening must be because of sinister shadowy forces in the background manipulating things and pulling strings.
But now we can see things more clearly and that it really is less of a sinister group than it is that all the elites belong to some weird cult. The cultish aspects are finally revealing themselves. But doesn’t every cult has a spiritual leader? Real or imagined?
It’s kind of like fascism in cult form, where every major institution has a part to play. The academe provides the spiritual guidance into the cult’s ways, so the leading professors are the high priests. The media spreads the message. The corporations act on the message. The government enforces the message. One big self-sustaining loop. Until the money runs out.
seemed like it was being orchestrated by shadowy figures a few years ago is now more accurately seen
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“The ads for food made from bugs make a lot more sense when you imagine a secret cabal plotting to kill off farming to please Gaia.”
It’s all out in the open.
Everything’s a psyop.
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The idea of “deep state” was first concocted to explain the workings of the Turkish state, which was apparently controlled by a cabal of military and intelligence operatives. Then the notion was taken up by the likes of Peter Dale Scott and transplanted to the US setting and the setting of the global US empire. Until around six or seven years ago people like myself were using the term in this context — i.e. the tightly interwoven interests of Wall Street, the military-industrial complex, the intelligence agencies, and the emerging mass media cartel (effectively six large corporations). Then around six years ago the notion of “deep state” went viral, to the extent that I became reluctant to use the term as it had effectively become a ‘floating signifier’ by people who knew nothing of the provenance or detailed and complex reality behind the term.
Does the deep state exist? Let’s rephrase the question: Is there a loose and evolving consensus by various elements of the US power establishment about various issues such as Ukraine, containing China and Russia, and the Covid ‘pandemic’? If you can buy into the latter, surely you can buy into the former?
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This is where I am at as well. Zman distinguishes between the managerial state and the deep state, but to me they were always the same concept. Unelected bureaucrats, billionaires and the media complex moving in sync to various religious doctrines, using politicians as their sock puppets. I guess the fact that we know who most of them are removes the “deep” shadowy image. They have also been more brazen about operating in the open once demographic replacement and election rigging took hold, guaranteeing them permanent power and control.
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I view the managerial class as “the help,” and the Deep State as the oligarchs they serve. As I mentioned elsewhere, there is some overlap, such as in the case of Fauci who moves from the private sector to government and back to benefit himself and his friends.
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The best way I’ve come up with to think about space time is that eventually one makes the other irrelevant.
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One major advantage of e-books: they allow you to carry a mini-library on a single device. So it’s not without some convenience. That said, actual paper books remain superior to anything that electronics can do.
After much deliberation over these matters, I believe that Zman is right that there exists no literal deep state. My own long-time suspicion is that bankers run everything. It’s the Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules. I suppose we could label the top bankers a “deep state” of sorts, though that wouldn’t add much clarity to these issues. It seems pretty obvious that politicians are mere puppets representing the interests of those who place themselves well beyond the reach of common people. How much pull organizations such as the World Economic Forum actually have remains an open question. And even members of the WEF likely don’t know the answer.
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I guess there’s no “Military / Industrial Complex” either. Maybe we can get our four billion back?
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OrangeFrog
If you don’t mind, I would like to add to your post (which is quite good), and say I think one could add psychotic and sociopath to the descriptions of the “elites” in the Deep State.
Ergo, the Sociopathy and Psychopathy translate into incompetence and stupidity.
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Annnd… the post above was supposed to be below Glens/Frogs post below.
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The biggest problem I have with e books is that I lose my sense of linearity and time lines. Example if reading the Bible we know Exodus comes after Genesis or that the epistles of Paul were down through history from Isaiah.
But with an I phone and an E Book you just type in the reference and it pops on the screen.
No sense of where you really are on a timeline.
Like a GPS.
Type in an address but you get no feedback as a real printed map gives as to your actual location on the planet.
Most people don’t even know how to read maps anymore.
It’s a disconnect that removes us from the bigger picture.
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GLG,add to that the fact that they aren’t taught basic math skills anymore, nor are they taught to read and write in cursive any longer,when the power goes out they will be helpless. Cashiers can’t make change, and we come to find out our grandkids can’t read our Christmas cards. As the saying goes, thank a teacher.
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Think about all these news events that receive major coverage for a few days and then we never hear another word about them from the police, government, or media. First there was a huge story about a “biracial” boy who was supposedly hung with a noose by a bunch of white kids in New Hampshire (which predated the Jussie Smollett hoax by a couple years). After a day or so of hand-wringing on the major news networks, the story predictably started to unravel, and there has been absolutely nothing said or printed about this story since. Then there was the mass shooting in Las Vegas which the politician gun grabbers did not touch, the media did not endlessly dissect for a motive, and which there hasn’t been anything said or printed about since the week it occurred. And finally there was the panic about the guy sending “pipe bombs” to news networks that they covered breathlessly for several days until they supposedly picked up someone in a deep blue district in Florida driving around a comical van paneled in industrially printed sheets designed to mimic a bunch political bumper stickers. The locals were never interviewed about him and absolutely nothing has been printed about this guy and what subsequently happened to him, in stark contrast to the thousands of stories written in the past 2 years about the theoretical person who planted pipe bombs at the capitol on jan 6.
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I’ve understood the deep state as the permanent bureaucracy + regulatory capture, roughly. That’s a dry notion, so why would it have caught on with the public and merged with conspiracism?
“You do not have to line your clothes with aluminum foil to wonder if there is not something going on off camera that explains what is happening.” The craziness and instability, especially when it seems unstoppable, makes you think there must be some hidden, malevolent hand behind it. I certainly have.
On a personal note, the ideas are coming faster than I can string them together coherently, along with increasing indifference. That usually means a solution is at hand, if that makes any sense at all. Exhilarating, at any rate.
I would add I still think there’s a hidden, spiritual hand behind it, call it Satan, bad ideas, or insanity. People aren’t acting right. But again, once you can get beyond the actors and see the evil running them, or the big picture, or whatever you want to call it, it’s because the danger is subsiding. Soon it’ll be a matter not of limiting damage but dealing with the mess. If that makes any sense, too.
Anyway, enough wacky talk lol!
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I think we’re in a memetic crisis, or that thing we’ve come to call a purity spiral. The elites are all the same and want the same thing, which is to be the most pure, the best practitioner of the new religion. In fact, everyone who lives in the same frame of reference desires the exact same thing, which is why neighborhoods that are hardly elite sport the latest “pride” flag or Ukraine flag or have written, “I dissent,” on their cars or have a, “In this house we believe…” sign out front.
So, of course they all land on the same nonsense. A purity spiral has to be like that: everyone thinks the same things and hates the same things and wants the same things. And the ancient mechanism for fixing this problem before everyone rips everyone else limb-from-limb is to find a group of scapegoats upon whom all the ills of the community can be attributed. And, for obvious reasons, the best scapegoats are going to be those who aren’t involved in the purity spiral – precisely because they are the ones who are least pure, see?
There are a number of implications to this. Here’s one: when you see the mob forming up and planning on doing you harm, there’s no reasoning your way out.
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This post is spot on. There’s so little I can add to it. I have reservations that the dirt people will ever cogently understand what’s going on. Dirt people are not philosophers and take their politics in broad strokes. All they know is prices going up >>>Strange European man on TV telling them to eat bugs >>>Politicians on private jets to consort with European Man>>> Therefore conspiracy.
I’ve never been on the ground floor of a revolution, but I can imagine that even with the Capital burning down the dirt people doing it see only broad sweeping strokes. Man in marble building stole from me >>> Get him! You can sort of see this with the mobs in Paris during the French Revolution, etc. At no point do the dirt people sit on a bench and contemplate just how stupid their rulers were. So stupid in fact that they locked down the world over a stiff cold virus. These people see our de-industrialization as a back yard camping trip.
“Of course, we all know that there is no such thing as a deep state . . .”
Z-man, this is a credibility killer for me and why I’m looking at this blog less and less.
There is always, ALWAYS a deep state. The powerful behind the curtain are always, ALWAYS conspiring with each other to enhance their power. Everything else is illusion.
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