Having self-medicated the previous night, I approached the prospect of a full day of lectures on civic nationalism with some dread. I did myself a favor and skipped the first speaker, but I arrived in time to hear David Brog deliver a long sermon on the glories of immigration and how immigrants made America. It was 200 proof immigration romanticism spiced up with some personal anecdotes about his Jewish grandfather’s journey to America and how much he loved his adopted country.
Of course, he sprinkled his sermon with more reminders about how racism is the worst and there is no pace for it in national conservatism. I suspect all speakers were told to do this, so that the media would record it. I counted fifty people at the media tables. Maybe the plan is to keep repeating the bit about racism so some of them will repeat it. Then again, this national conservative thing is shaping up to look like Mitt Romney style conservatism, so maybe these guys really believe this stuff…
The next speaker was a woman calling herself Mary Eberstadt. Her speech was garden variety civic nationalism. She made it clear that this new brand of nationalism is open to everyone. She did not break into a tantrum about racism, as has been the case with most of the speakers, but she made it clear that America is for everyone as long as they agree on the rules. The main difference between what we have now and what she proposes is the new thing is called nationalism…
The final speaker of the morning session was Yoram Hazony. It was an interesting performance to behold. He started out criticizing neoconservatives, making the absurd claim that the current crop of neocons are not the real neocons. They have strayed from the original into imperialism. Then he let it be known that one of the sponsors for this show was The public Interest, a neocon quarterly founded by Irving Kristol. The fact that he said this without laughing was quite remarkable.
He then moved onto libertarianism. It’s interesting to hear these guys criticize libertarianism, because they don’t really know why they oppose it. They just associate it with the cultural decline, so they assume it is the cause. There’s also a reactionary vibe to their fight with the libertarians. These new nationalists don’t like the libertarians, because libertarians oppose nationalism. For their purposes, maybe that’s enough to dismiss the economic arguments against their brand of nationalism.
The third part of his speech was a trade about white nationalism. He fumbled around trying to say something about biological reality, but that made him sound like a nut from the flat earth society. Then he warned about the threat of white nationalism, especially among young people. Then he made the claim that there is no such thing as tribal loyalty, which is an odd thing, given that he claims a nation is a collection of tribes. As in his book, it’s clear he terrifies himself when he follows his logic to its conclusion.
I said to my minder after the speech is that I enjoyed the speech much better when Paul Gottfried gave it in 1985. That’s really what this new nationalism is, when you clear away the wacky Christian Zionist stuff and the virtue signaling. This is just good old fashioned paleo-conservationism, stripped of its intellectual underpinnings. Instead of biology forming the foundation of nationalism, it is this magical connection between people that forms when people are in the same vicinity and given the right instructions…
I nearly bust out laughing at one point in Harzony’s speech. He was flapping his arms about the evils of biological realism, talking about how evil race realists like me are dangerous because we know a lot about the human sciences. He made the claim that race realists were delusional. As proof he talked about how people love dogs and soldiers build strong bonds. At one point, I thought he was going to claim trench socialism was proof that kinship is an optical illusion. The whole thing was bonkers…
The keynote speaker for the lunchtime crowd was Tucker Carlson, who was treated like a rock star. He gave a fun talk that was not really a speech about anything, more like a string of loosely connected anecdotes and observations. Carlson claims he does not consume much of anything on-line, but he certainly sounds a like a guy familiar with what gets posted on dissident sites. He did a riff on the opposite rule of liberalism that sounded a lot like this post from years back. Maybe it is just a coincidence…
The funny thing about this event is not a single person has bothered to mention that conservatism, whether neocon or Buckley, managed to conserve nothing. Further, they don’t put any thought into why it failed. They just seem to think if they can go back and do it all over again, the results will be different somehow. Not only is that impossible, it fails to address the internal defects of conservatism. The reason we are at this place, is the so-called conservatives chose to embrace Progressive morality….
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I hope the check was big enough for Tucker for him to stomach being there. Everything I’ve read and heard from him recently indicates he’s much closer to our thing than those guys.
There is a recent photo of Tucker hanging out with Yair Netanyahu, who tweeted about how Tucker is a big supporter of Israel
Tucker likes to steal our talking points, but we should look carefully to see what ends he is directing them towards
The DR really should drape themselves in Israeli flags. It’s a great troll. Making the flag of Israel an alt-right symbol would be hilarious.
Fake nationalists have been doing that over in Europe for a long time… didn’t work out too well
Sounds to me like a bunch of people on the Titanic talking about redecorating.
Sounds to me like a bunch of Jews trying to yet again co-op one of our movements. Any hint of whites starting to think like the tribe inevitably leads to a flock of Jews and their money to parachute into the area and take over.
Harzony’s “new” nationalism is another (((Trotskyite))) entry/gatekeeping ploy. Give him any rope and he will hang a Con, Inc size albatross around the neck of white nationalism. Drive this Gypsy from our midst.
I was kind of surprised how obvious this attempt was, it must be aimed at boomers or something.
I could imagine a much more appealing, less obviously Israeli version of fake nationalism. That would be a threat, people are desperately looking for something.
This isn’t even close to Trump’s 2016 fake nationalism
I just watched Lindsey Graham half heartily defending Trump concerning the “go back to where you came from” comments directed at the commie 4.
About the first words out of Lindsey’s mouth were something about ” They hate Israel and are anti-semitic.” Then he said Trump should not have said what he did.
I could not possibly care less if these people hate Israel. I am concerned that they hate America and the founding stock. As a U.S. Senator his first thought should be how events affect America. Not Israel.
We would all be interested in your take on Tucker.
I can just imagine how our blog host was taken to this thing: straight jacketed, trussed to a wheeler like Hannibal Lecter…
Try to behave yourself while you are there and don’t cuddle anyone’s milk. We will kill and eat these weaklings all in good time! 🙂
As Heartiste remarked, you are on a roll lately. Keep the good stuff coming. Self-medication is a good thing.
Z Man said: “The funny thing about this event is not a single person has bothered to mention that conservatism, whether neocon or Buckley, managed to conserve nothing. Further, they don’t put any thought into why it failed. They just seem to think if they can go back and do it all over again, the results will be different somehow. Not only is that impossible, it fails to address the internal defects of conservatism. The reason we are at this place, is the so-called conservatives chose to embrace Progressive morality….” I’m sure everybody here has read this quote by Robert… Read more »
You people talk about racism like it’s a good thing.
Maybe I misunderstand you but if not just let me remind you that the vast majority of the country is committed to fighting racism and white stuff supremacy
You will lose
Hey Tiny Duck….back from a busy day at the cuck porn studio?
Ben Meyer said: “…let me remind you that the vast majority of the country is committed to fighting racism…” Dear Ben. If you think that what you and all your loved ones are doing is winning some big prize, then you deserve to drowned in the cesspool of your own blind ass stupidity.
We’re really getting the shit-tier trolls around here. The vast majority of the country doesn’t give a damn about anything but Netflix & Walmart, and every legitimate commenter here is worth a thousand orcs and bugmen. As racist Frank Miller said in 300, “see, I brought more soldiers than you.”
The you have nothing to worry about. Relax.
Hold on. It seems to me that YOU are the real racist. Have you even thought about that?
>>>but she made it clear that America is for everyone as long as they agree on the rules.<<<
And those rules are the result of millennia of Anglo/Nordic Heritage, which itself is underpinned by Anglo/Nordic biology.
If we can agree on that, I’ve no issue with finding common ground with CivNats.
@MemeWarVet. Agree on the rules!? Read this from Zero Hedge. “Bombshell Report Reveals Up To 30% Of Federal Inmates Are Illegal Immigrants.” https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-22/bombshell-dhs-report-reveals-30-federal-inmates-illegal
Not sure I see the connection there.
My point is that if CivNats agree that traditional (pre-65) Americanism has a biological basis, then it becomes de facto racial nationalism.
MemeWarVet said: “Not sure I see the connection there” The connection is real easy. Your “Anglo/Nordic” rules are irrelevant to the brown tsunami. “But she made it clear that America is for everyone as long as they agree on the rules.” This women is just another numbskull living in a comfortable bubble. If she lived in a neighborhood full of blacks and browns and could see who they really are, she would hall ass down to the border wearing camouflage and holding a machine gun. .
I was kind of surprised by the failure of a real civic nationalism to emerge post Trump. What we call civic nationalism today is just mainstream conservative or yesterday’s liberalism, it still accepts recent immigrants as more American than racist Americans and just wants Americans to be replaced legally. There was little or no ideological development post Trump, we just ended up with generic, zero-ideas mainstream conservatives in the MAGA camp and White Nationalists on the outside. Mostly Trump just made conservatives more pro-gay. I guess you can see hints of authentic American civic nationalism in people like Ann Coulter,… Read more »
I think perhaps the sort of Civic Nationalism you’d referenced might have developed if Bannon had stuck around. Once he was out of the picture, it was all Express Train to MIGAville.
We have to fight, not argue about rules first.
If you attended Rich Lowry’s breakout session and got through it without laughing that would be impressive. I would guess Tucker’s staff reads a lot online and gives him recaps of what they find interesting and worth his time. A couple of them must be at least sympathetic to reality based on what makes onto to his show.
If one were to attend Rich Lowry’s breakout session, one would need a testosterone booster shot afterward. Women, too.
Doesn’t matter what these Yahoos and YaJoos think. They can point and sputter all day about the evils of biological nationalism – as though there’s another kind – to their cuck audience. It’s coming. The Dems are on the cusp on permanently controlling the White House, and, therefore, the judiciary and bureaucracy. And the Dems are all in on tribalism, including pointing out the existence of the ruling tribe. Whites – and Jews – are about to get tribalism good and hard. All the virtual signalling in the world won’t protect whites from an Andy-like roll in the hay with… Read more »
Citizen: You’re on a roll today. Lots of excellent comments – one reason we all like to hangout at Zman’s place – it’s generally free of the pontificating, boring, civnat boomertards that have made iSteve such a turgid, repetitive place. Plus Zman doesn’t moderate comments for days, even if when one disagrees with him. Nor does he term those who disagree idiots and ban them.
It doesn’t matter what these Yahoos and YaJoos think about biological nationalsm – as though there’s another kind. It’s coming. The Dems are on the cusp of permanently controlling the presidency, which also means controlling the judiciary and the bureaucracy. And the Dems are all in on tribalism, including pointing out the current ruling tribe. Whites – and Jews – are about to get to know tribalism about as gently as the Andy got to know the sisters in Shawshank Redemption. Like so many generals in history, American Jews are fighting the last war. They still think that the big… Read more »
Never doubt the power of the mind to delude itself. People can contort themselves into some wierd logic not to abandon their preheld beliefs. It’s been shown that beliefs are strengthened by contradictory information.
Tykebomb said: “It’s been shown that beliefs are strengthened by contradictory information.” I think your talking about “confirmation bias.” Here’s a wiki link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias . Personally, I just think these people are nostalgic and what to get the band back together. In the hay day of the buckley cartel they were young and full of hope. They had a long run, but now it’s fading away. The buckley years where like Wood Stock for square middleclass conservatives .
Did you have a chance to catch Peter Thiel’s speech? It made the national news. My workplace is in complete meltdown over it.
I’ll tell you whether I’m a racist or not once someone actually defines the term. As it is, I find nothing shameful about the term, but I’m happy to recoil in horror if it turns out the word means something really bad, like someone who notices the divided loyalty of certain people….
For example, I noticed that blacks are about 14% of the US population, and black men make up about 6% of the US population, but black men make up about 70% of the NFL and about 74% of the NBA. Is it racist to notice this disparity? If i say, hey, it looks like black men appear to be particularly gifted at sportsball activities, is that racist of me? if so, why?
Your first paragraph persuades me that I don’t want to hear more about these people. Only immigration that interests me is negative immigration: no green cards, no H1Bs, no naturalizations, wall, deportations, Official English. Maybe 100 genius visas for authentic world-historical geniuses, but that number may be too way too high.
Tucker was back at it again tonight. He started off really well, describing the leftward drift of the Democrats as a result of the Four POC Women who seem to be leading the party over the falls. When he’s finished eviscerating them, he welcomed his guest. A negro then comes on to carry water for Tucker and praise Trump for getting black unemployment so low. We whites are supposed to gush about this, I guess. No wonder Carlson showed up at that event today. He loves to play in liberal sandboxes.
Let’s try not to purity spiral all over Tucker’s face. He’s the best thing we’ve got going by far, and he’s not even one of us.
It’s impossible for us to “purity spiral” against Tucker, he’s a powerful and wealthy figure with a huge platform and we are some guys in the comments section of a blog. He won’t be “scared off” by us, we don’t effect him. All we can do is offer a dispassionate analysis of his strengths and weaknesses. Tucker seems to push the envelope on populist issues and may even hint at knowledge of the… uhh… globalist elites But I’m not convinced he is actually pushing the envelope on race, there are dog whistles he could be using that he isn’t using,… Read more »
There will be Jews. Yep. Thanks for the heads up.
You can’t compare people that built a civilization out of wilderness to people show up wanting guaranteed housing and food and Medical Care. Its nonsense but it’s been very effective nonsense for a long time. If I ever personally hear someone say those things are comparable I will correct them
Sounds like the whole “Cargo Cult” thing come to life again. Any sightings of old neo cons and Buckley-ites making objects and effigies out of sticks and vines?
You’ll like this, I think. Limbaugh spent quite a bit of time making the point that Tlaib, AOC, et al act as though being a US citizen has to do with “magic dirt”: that is, merely being on US soil is sufficient for citizenship. He made it clear that he does not like their “magic dirt” theory.
And yes, they can leave any damn time they want. I’ll chip in.
Conservatives promoted the magic dirt theory for decades
Omar, AOC and Tlaib are what they got.
AOC is a fake, but I enjoy the other two, to rub the boomer’s faces in the diversity that they spend decades defending.
“As long as they come in legally”
It’s far better to have the boomers realize their error now, than to have a soothing, non-confrontational replacement.
Z man; doing the job we can’t without getting arrested.
Or I couldn’t.
Meanwhile the world buzzes around them as CNN et el pick up the Banner of Deportation.
So now the topic is deportation of foreigners.
Trump isn’t our Washington.
He’s our Sun Tzu.
Trump mentioned anti-Israel congress critters because its free and reflex level buzz.
The enemy then devours themselves. Again Trump knows his enemy.
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