“Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth” is a famous quote from Sherlock Holmes. While it can easily lead to the logical fallacy called the false dilemma, it is useful in arriving at a set of possible solutions to a problem. You first remove the answers that are impossible then think about the range of solutions that remain. It may not yield the exact right answer, but at least you avoid the wrong answer.
Such is the case with the Russian coup. Last weekend the head of the Wagner PMC, Yevgeny Prigozhin, announced he was going to march on Moscow with his troops and forcibly remove the Minister of Defense, Sergei Shoigu. He quickly amended that claim to saying he was staging “a march for justice” to demand the removal of Shoigu and his top deputy Valery Gerasimov. Then a few thousand of his men drove up the highway toward Moscow, stopping at a nearby city.
Some sort of negotiation was initiated by the Kremlin, which led to a deal brokered by the head of Belarus, Aleksandr Lukashenko. The “coup leaders”, including Prigozhin, would not be arrested. Instead, they would head off to Belarus with a contingent of the Wagner fighters. Presumably, these are the fighters who went with Prigozhin. The rest of the Wagner groups would be offered a deal to sign contracts with the Russian military or go back to civilian life.
In the history of military coups, this is the weirdest. An ironclad rule of putting down coup attempts is you punish the leaders of the coup in such a way that terrifies anyone thinking about staging a coup. The ghoulish punishments of the past came about in response to attempts to topple the king. The English used hanged, drawn and quartered, for example, as a special punishment for treason. Cutting open the traitor and pulling out his internals while still alive made a big impression.
Prigozhin going into semi-retirement in Belarus does not make much sense if he was staging a genuine coup. Whatever he was up to, the Kremlin has decided that his goal was not regime change at the top. Further, they decided that no one else thought it was a genuine coup either, so they were free to be lenient. In fact, it appears that the Kremlin has decided that extreme leniency serves their interests. Whatever happened here, we can reasonably assume it was not a coup attempt.
Another possibility is that this is some sort of four-dimensional chess maneuver to get the Wagner group into Belarus. From there they can attack Kiev. We can eliminate this option as the number of Wagner forces headed to Belarus is small, just a few thousand, so they are not attacking anything by themselves. To attack Kiev, you would need several hundred thousand troops. Kiev is a huge city with lots of defenses and tens of thousands of Ukrainian forces in and around it.
We can probably eliminate the other 4-D chess theories as well. The Russians are not fond of these sorts of public relations stunts. If for example, the Kremlin wanted to get rid of Prigozhin, they would not put on a show like this. Similarly, if Putin were looking for a way to sure up his position with regards to the hardliners, he would not risk letting them stage a coup. The right answer lies within the domain of people acting in what they thought was their own interests.
Starting from the least likely, the first possibility is that Prigozhin was operating as some sort of double agent. He was talking with Washington about staging a coup or maybe he was talking to the Ukrainians. In reality he was working with Moscow to help flush out some conspirators in the Ministry of Defense. Prigozhin’s march to Moscow was his final favor to Putin before he heads off to retirement. The drama worked as cover for the Kremlin as they rounded up the real conspirators.
This is possible, but very much in the four-dimensional chess zone, so it is probably the least likely answer. Putin’s position is secure, so he would not have to do this sort of Game of Thrones stuff to deal with troublemakers. He has made plenty of personnel changes during the last year, so he could arrest a couple of traitors. That and there has been no word on anyone being arrested. Russia is a modern country. If someone important disappears, everyone soon knows about it.
There is the possibility Prigozhin went mad. Like Colonel Kurtz, he lost touch with reality and this half-baked coup was the result. The fact that most of his troops refused to participate is an important data point. According to reliable sources, only a few thousand Wagner fighters went on the march. Given the increasingly erratic behavior of Prigozhin and his prior insane statements, this is a strong possibility. He went mad and the Kremlin simply found a peaceful way to manage it.
A similar and slightly more plausible option is that Prigozhin allowed his dispute with Shoigu to get the better of him. His genuine complaints about the conduct of the war were spoiled by his public airing of those complaints. His support within the military collapsed and he found himself with two bad options. One was wait to be fired and the other was to force his way into a better deal. In the end he gets to retire in a form of house arrest in neighboring Belarus.
Another version of this is that Prigozhin misjudged his support within the Kremlin, and he overestimated his public support. He made his move thinking he had a strong hand but once he reached Rostov, reality became clear to him. The reason the Kremlin quickly offered him a golden bridge out of his predicament, is they were confident they had the situation in hand. It also suggests they anticipated this was a possibility and were ready to end it without bloodshed.
Further support of this option is the way the Kremlin quickly moved to offer Prigozhin a way out of his dilemma. Russian forces had already circled Wagner at Rostov, with the Chechens on their way as a sign of unity. It was if they anticipated this possibility and not only prepared a response but had time to consider how it would look to their friends and allies. Independent polling also suggests this went over very well with the Russian people. Putin’s popularity is at a record high.
While the evidence suggests Prigozhin either acted from madness or hubris, there is one wrinkle that is worth mentioning. The usual suspects rushed out to post their fantasy version of what was happening as the events were unfolding. Many stated that they knew about this plot all along. Senior Kagan cult member Anne Applebaum had a narrative out on the first day. Note that her husband, a Polish diplomat, posted on Twitter about the Nord Stream bombing as it happened.
The Russians have used this to claim that Prigozhin may have been working with outside forces, strongly suggesting Washington was involved. The Biden people have been rushing around to deny these claims. The reason is they see that it will give the Kremlin an excuse to escalate in response. Yesterday the Russians bombed a hotel in Kramatorsk, which housed foreign mercenaries. The subsequent video revealed a lot of Americans digging through the rubble.
It has been clear for a while that the hardliners are not happy with the pace of the war, but Putin has been reluctant to go harder on Ukraine. He has also been the least bellicose of the Russian leaders with regards to Washington. Putin has always been in the dovish camp regarding the West. This Prigozhin incident may have opened a road for Putin to take toward the hawks. This Kramatorsk attack could be the start of a new period of escalation by Moscow.
In the end, we do not know the real story behind these events. All we can do is eliminate the impossible. Once you do that, we are left with a picture of the Russian leadership that is trying to avoid World War Three, but also balancing internal politics in order execute a war of attrition with the West. The end result of this Prigozhin incident will not be the end times as imagined by the Kagan cult, but it could lead to a more aggressive stance by Moscow toward the West.
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What possibility exists that this is a Kagan “hail-Mary”, clocks-run-out, long-bomb…? You’d never know today that just a few days ago, that Putin was done for, I wish someone would tell him for ffs.ll the apparent chances he’s had to be thrown into the klink.
for all the apparent chances…
trump is making nice noises about kennedy. would a fusion ticket have legs? has there ever been a fusion ticket? given trump’s age, kennedy is guaranteed a shot at the top, in 2028.
Lincoln/Johnson. Recently Kennedy said he would oppose gun control. Given that’s such a shibboleth of the Left, it took me aback. It indicates something is in the works. I cannot see the GOP permitting someone other than one of its cucks to run as Veep. I think it also very well may keep Trump out of the top slot regardless of the primary results. I honestly believe that if somehow such a thing happened, and it is highly unlikely, there would be an out-in-the-open coup to keep the war grift going. Make no mistake, everything taking place is to keep… Read more »
this us is the life of a ukrainian thanks to the us state dept https://twitter.com/i/status/1673825546218663939
Every one of the neocons and politicians who want and started this war should be forced to drive standard jeeps across those fields.
Remember these are men from Ukraine who can’t afford to pay the bribe to avoid military service, and are press ganged into the military.
I watched that entire video, forgive me for having no sympathy for the men in it. If they’re mercenaries then they deserve it, they knew the risks and went anyway. If they’re Ukes then let them free themselves from the monsters running the country.
Just remember, the whites on the Ukrainian side and the mercenaries aren’t and never will be on our side. This war will cull many of them so we don’t have to deal with them later.
They sure got treated a lot more leniently than the J6 protestors. Chew on that for a while.
The J6ers weren’t all rounded up the very next day
I’ve said it before: Jefferson Davis, one and only President of the Confederacy only served 2 years in prison for an actual insurrection and violent rebellion (or so all the history books tell me)
Probably wouldn’t have served a day if Lincoln hadn’t been shot.
Something about wanting to heal wounds and unite the country. What a bunch of unsophisticated primitives.
Cross, double-cross, triple-cross? Gangster mercs? Turf battles? Criminal politicians milking the cow? Factions of the Family at war? This is classic Shin Bet (Israeli) politics. Or Mafia, or Cartel. Like Treasuries, this means the Jevvish Century isn’t over by a long shot. The White West has adopted Their gangsta culture. (As we have done, long before, and since. The symbiote shapes the game.) Erase the borders- that is, the Westphalian Order- well, erase the uniforms too. The nature of battle has changed from clearly marked army lines and careers to esoteric subversion, corruption, spies, private legions, and civilians. Of course… Read more »
I can’t tell whether that is brilliant or insane or both, Al, but I’ll go with the first although the Rising Dragon seemed to be missing and that’s the subtext.
The reason we are mystified in the west is that we have finger puppets and clowns for leaders instead of statesmen… and we’ve come to accept and expect it. That – and we don’t think like the Russians. This was just your typical communications fustercluck courtesy of Darwin and Murphy. Priggy flipped out. Simple as. Old people get erratic and silly. Biden can’t even pretend to be a leader even with a team of trained zippers micromanaging him. If you put geezers into combat roles…they may crack on you. Before he cracked, Priggy was famous for his antics. He lipped… Read more »
This is another off topic post but does anyone agree that meritocracy inevitably leads to the tiger parent phenomenon and kids who are screwed up because of it?
Errrr… what screwed up kids are you referring to KK?
I’d say dragon parents are infinitely better than those produced by Globohomo… but whadda I know?
There are a lot of ways to screw up kids. Tiger parenting doesn’t strike me as one of the more egregious offenders.
@jeffreyzoar
It’s hard to describe what I’m talking about but I’m talking about someone like Pete buttigieg who was reportedly be making resumes of himself when he was 14.
I feel that sort of hyper competitiveness creates a more narrow kind of person. Like there was this quarterback at USC in the late 80s who clearly was pushed too hard by his parents and I likewise see the same thing happening in academics.
You’re in the ballpark with this idea, but it’s not really meritocracy that does this, it’s credentialocracy. The distinction is subtle but important.
Indeed. Meritocracy is enveloped by your potential. Whatever your station/situation in life, you strive your best and hopefully rise to the top within such. Potential is a topic for another day, but often hinted here in comments. Credentialocracy (credentialism) as you put, it is an evil tiger moms and others have been known for. To attempt to achieve beyond the limit of your potential is ego destructive and mentally damaging.
Perhaps the difference is not so subtle, but where the line gets crossed certainly is.
Yes, Dasein had the word I was looking for. These are empowered women selling their kids to the System.
Yes. Because it is credentialism, the United States has a very rigid caste system now. Meritocracy is literally democratic, and to paraphrase Erdogan, that’s just a train to get where factions wanted and then they disembarked. Democracy was used to get to Point A, and now a caste system has been imposed to make that place evergreen. They are tearing up the tracks now.
I’d want my kids to land somewhere between animals and robot, but that’s just my opinion.
Also OT, whatever happened to the golden mean? Why the lurching from one extreme to the other?
Farther afield, kind of goes to my musings on will. Clarity (and simplicity) at the margins, so they’re seductive. One must be mindful and disciplined to not be seduced.
Modern world discourages that, wants us to be robots or animals, not human beings.
Agreed. Meritocracy means I want to find out and encourage what the kid’s good at, not demand he go to Princeton.
Really bizarre. Prigozhin has put out some other crazy statements and videos as well. Perhaps losing his sanity. Understandable, as living in a war zone must be tough. If this were the case, it would explain why Russia was so prepared to handle the insurrection. They probably saw his mental decline and were considering him an increasingly less reliable figure. The question is what role did the US play in the incident? Maybe they were pushing on the open door – Prigozhin saw the writing on the wall, and the US seized the opportunity, manipulating the mentally unstable man into… Read more »
From my comfortable chair on the gulf coast, I’m partial to the ‘Prigozhin snapped’ view. No doubt there was some urging by the GAE, but it’s hard to guess how much of a factor that really was. Then once he got a few miles down the road, he realized he didn’t have the support from his troops that he thought he had. Perhaps he initially misled them about what he really had in mind. The Kremlin, reticent to kick off a massive bloodletting on Russian soil while at war in Ukraine, thought it more expedient to make a deal and… Read more »
It’s extremely difficult to follow what’s actually going on in this war since every source is propaganda, but the best model I can come up with is that there are no good guys. Neocons in the US want to butcher Ukrainian peasants to get kickbacks from the MIC contracts. The chaos also provides good cover for harvesting Slavic children’s organs for their various Jewish blood rituals and immortality treatments. Zelenskyyyy and the rest of the Ukrainian government want to butcher Ukrainian peasants to take their cut from the foreign aid checks and sell off the equipment they receive. Prizogin…Pirogi…Pepperoni, whatever… Read more »
You had me at “harvesting Slavic children’s organs, etc.” And we forget the biolabs. That video of the shaken, older Russian soldier quietly saying, “the second floor, it was like an abbatoir.” He was quaking because the kids had been taken up there awake and alive. Then to see pirated videos of these gods-damned warehouses. All over. I won’t describe it, because, yeah, they are indeed awake. That sweet little thing! That sweet innocent little thing! Fuck this, no more. I know the Tribulation and Reign has only begun- and we thought tranny surgeries were bad?- but fuck these creatures,… Read more »
Em, aye, see, kay, ee, why, emm, oh, you, ess, eee!
A song that spells “Maskirovka”.
To me the whole thing is kind of strange. The same personality who thought marching on Moscow was a good idea gave up at the first sign of even token verbal resistance and agreed to be exiled? This really doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. The Russian state’s reaction doesn’t make much sense either. In most cases, when you take up arms against the government, you either win or you die or spend life in prison lest anyone else get any bright ideas about how weak or strong you may be. 3d chess doesn’t make much sense either.… Read more »
I wouldn’t be surprised if a not so small part of the Kremlin believes that it can just wait the U.S. out for our copious domestic problems will catch up with us. The problem is, as those problems get worse and worse, unlike the USSR, we’ll be projecting the attention of the American people more and more outward. So as we stumble on the world scene, like a drunk desperately looking for a fight, we’ll go try and find one. The more our county sinks into the mud, the more the Sean Hannities in the media and the DC people… Read more »
I completely agree, with one addition. As conditions deteriorate, they will also find plenty of enemies domestically. Namely – your normal white guy.
Exactly the response to a comment I just posted
This is exactly right. Once the Regime cannot project abroad it also will use the military on the domestic population. That’s actually sort of an argument for staying in Blue places unless it becomes even more explicitly anti-White in nature than it is now, highly possible. .
One reason they’re so desperate to empty US arsenals to send to Ukraine, it seems to me, is that places like Florida might get uppity in the not so distant future when the crackdowns really start. Gosh, it’s too bad your National Guard doesn’t have any bullets left; they’re all in Keeeeve. Real shame, that.
I hadn’t considered the state munitions aspect but it is plainly possible if not probable. State/federal friction only will intensify in the near term.
JR-
I think you are spot on.
Heck, I think Putin himself believes that he might be able to wait out the Biden regime and that things will improve afterwards.
I don’t think that is true since the lunatics in charge have no reverse gear.
R.E. Lee would have agreed with you. He wrote, “The consolidation of the States into one vast empire, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of ruin which has overwhelmed all that preceded it.”
A farsighted man with a good sense of human nature.
“It’s an incredibly dangerous time…”
More dangerous for ‘men’ that get mani-pedis. Can’t split wood.
Bummer for them when their cubicle world collapses.
“I wouldn’t be surprised if a not so small part of the Kremlin believes that it can just wait the U.S. out for our copious domestic problems will catch up with us.”
I think the copious NATO problems will catch up first. This war is having a very deleterious effect on European economies that’s not really talked about in US media. Time is on Russia’s side in this respect and they likely believe a brokered, but favorable peace proposal that will draw more interest as the EU gets poorer, and more unemployed.
I know a lot of people are talking about how the left wrecked California – but what if that’s not the case. Since the late 1950s – the democrats have controlled both houses of the California legislature for all but four years and Republicans have never held both simultaneously. So if there are any older Californians on here, what actually happened?
California, the land of fruits and nuts
Two things that immediately come to mind are the elimination of Prop 187, the referendum to limit illegal alien access to public services and the bait and switch governorship of Arnold Schwarzenegger (ironically elected through fallout from the previous governor’s deal to get rid of 187)
As we often point out, the problem with “Democrat-run cities” is those cities’ demographics, not their politicians. Vermont and Minnesota, e.g., have always had wackjob pols, but their cities were nice places to live until Catholic Charities et al. bussed Africa into them. Similarly, California changed from paradise to paradise-shaped human feces sculpture when its population was replaced with a worse one. California Democrats’ managerial incompetence level is normal, but a crappy population magnifies flaws in the system. Back in the eighties I met quite a few kids like me who were born in California then moved elsewhere as soon… Read more »
In the 1980s, California was more or less what Florida is today. But while Florida today attracts griller transplants from all over, California then attracted shitlib transplants from all over. For a variety of reasons, one of which was that was the place depicted on the tv that looked “cool,” and shitlibs are attracted to that. Then Reagan’s amnesty happened. The End.
Good synopsis. As is important is the rise of centrally planned interest rates and its affect on the nature of Silicon Valley. Those interest fueled huge and sustained artificial booms that imported into the elite a class of people wholly alien to California and the US. California was once mostly native and conservative who got barely outgunned by the hippie enclaves in SF/Berkeley and the hipsters in the glitter parts of LA. It could have survived the invasion from below, but the invasion and replacement from above, with the supplanting of the rugged Boomer SV exec-manager-engineer cohort with GenX+ imports… Read more »
Well that’s the thing. I feel at one point California did attract griller types. Like I read a book about the beach boys and the description of Hawthorne (where they were from). Here is the vibe I get of the place at the time: – disproportionately middle or even lower middle class – disproportionately white low church protestants – population was often less than a generation and at most two generations removed from agriculture in the border/plains states. – disproportionately employed in aerospace I feel like that demo started leaving the state (and certainly stopped moving to the state )… Read more »
“March for Justice” sounds like a Jesse Jackson joint from back about 1988. Makes me slightly uneasy that a Rooskii panjandrum is deploying this sort of cant.
The Prigozhin event is a hard one to judge from the outside, especially as a non-Russian speaker not fully versed in the internal politics of Russia. So one should be careful and very tentative about conclusions, especially when adding on the additional layer of fog of war…Rolo Slavsky has done an excellent job of focusing on Prigozhin over the past number of months, but he has become increasingly shrill and over-the-top lately. Edward Slavsquatch is also very solid. That being said, Prigozhin’s aborted march on Moscow felt like Caesar crossing the Rubicon, saying “oops my bad”, then fleeing to Persia… Read more »
Nothing fake about the war, its just hard to figure out everything, just the other day I watched a video on twitter of some Ukrainians trying to get out of a mine field, it was totally crazy. and for the last 3 weeks now the Ukrainian leaders keep driving their men right into Russian traps, how many tanks APCs will they lose to KA-52s before that change tactics, its madness
If you think Prigozhins antics are the result of mental collapse, then the lack of any coup attempt from the Ukrainian army is also a sign of madness IMO
To clarify, the deaths on both sides are real. There are huge casualties on both sides. It is sad to hear about (I try not to watch the videos, and I definitely don’t cheer them). But the war is being managed by the same powers behind both sides to advance multi-faceted globohomo goals, and to them, white Christians who are genetic brethren killing each other by the hundreds of thousands is a good thing. That is what I mean by the war being fake.
Casualties Ukraine to Russia are 10:1 by most reliable accounts. The Ukrainian people are pretty much irredeemable at this point. They have an easy way out, kill their leaders and their NATO advisors and lay down their arms and Russia will stop killing them. Easy, peace in one simple step.
The Banderites have to go. The Odessa Trades Union Massacre can’t be left unpunished, nor the murder of POWs, not to mention the slaughter of Russian ethnic civilians in the Donbas.
Z-man posted that video on Gab. I really, really wish I hadn’t watched any of it.
Yet lil’ Lindsey G would likely still vomit his ‘best money we ever spent’ inanity.
This has been a question i’ve had from the start. Why doesn’t some Ukranian put Zelensky in a wood chipper or something and take over? Seems like a golden opportunity to negotiate with Russians for help , get rid of the murderous gay elf killing off half your young men, and end up where you are going to end up anyway with the Russian speaking eastern regions as home ruled provinces at best or Russian protectorates. Long term betting on GAE ZOG empire stability seems crazy. Why not follow the example of the Middle Eastern powers?
I should add that i know Zelensky is not really the decision maker but the point remains, round up him and his cabal and execute them all, preferably Kim Jong style, and negotiate something they can live with.
My suspicion is that a special detail of whatever American alphabet agency is in charge of stage managing President Stumbletoe and VP Cameltoe is handling Zelensky too. This means that the patriotic Ukrainians can’t get to him and his entourage to kill them because they spend all their time in a bunker in Langley, VA. When Zelensky needs to travel from Keeeeeeeeve to Berlin, let’s say, he’s actually on a 10-18 hour flight from Langley, Area 51, White Sands, or maybe even one of those places the Australians let us build in the outback. OK, so maybe it’s not quite… Read more »
“The usual suspects rushed out to post their fantasy version of what was happening as the events were unfolding. Many stated that they knew about this plot all along. Senior Kagan cult member Anne Applebaum had a narrative out on the first day. Note that her husband, a Polish diplomat, posted on Twitter about the Nord Stream bombing as it happened.” I view this response less as foreknowledge than as wish casting. The mad rush to claim this was then end of Putin and victory for Ukraine indicated an unexpected confirmation of the neocons’ wildest fantasies. Granted, there may have… Read more »
Eh. To borrow the Zman’s skepticism on Putinism: how would you (or any of us) know, or how would anyone you read on the internet know, what the Russian secret police were doing in secret arrest raids on secret government facilities, all 4,000 miles away and in a completely incomprehensible language and alphabet? No one WOULD know if such were occurring. WHAT IF it was actually all a ruse to get the CIA to fund pudgy-face’s “coup” which he documents extensively, then he finks and turns over the recordings to the Kremlin to prove US involvement? What if…. it’s aliens… Read more »
I certainly know the domestic response.
I agree with Z-Man today and I will consider this validation of the posts I’ve written over the last couple of days. I don’t always carpet-bomb the internet with my pearls of wisdom, but in this case I think the issue was important enough to warrant a broad casting of bread upon the waters, so I cross-posted the same material to Moon of Alabama, Simplicius, Big Serge, Larry Johnson, and The Duran’s YouTube channel. I’m still looking for some way to email Alexander Mercouris directly. If anyone knows how to contact him, please let me know or please pass along… Read more »
You’ve failed to include Col McGregor in your comment. Scott Ritter has crossed over into the Russian camp and is busy spending time over there pimping his Russian vanity book to their masses. He is no longer credible as a knowledgeable, impartial observer.
If Putin steps up the war, then Col McGregor has called the event correctly.
Scott Ritter has turned into a Pravda level Russian propagandist. He literally rants and raves about nuclear war.
Before he went nuts, I liked to watch his interviews of Russians to get the Russian perspective which is badly missing in the English press. But I’ve always believed that the counterbalance to Western propaganda and misinformation was good information, not Russian propaganda. Listening to warring propaganda just results in confusion.
Tars the truth for the ukrainians https://twitter.com/i/status/1673825546218663939
I agree with McGregor. Another person who has called this exactly right is none other than Paul Craig Roberts.
I don’t ordinarily have much time for PCR, given his off-the-wall 9/11 Trutherism, but I just read his most recent 4 columns over at Unz (they are all about the Prigozhin situation), and I found nothing to disagree with.
Well some sources said that the congressional intel committees were briefed about the coup last Tuesday. So is it really out of the question that the West was sponsoring the plot? Also remember an IL22 intelligence gathering aircraft was shot down by the Wagners. So that indicates they were serious. Is it not possible that the Kagan cult actually deluded themselves into thinking that Russia was near civil war and all they had to do was activate their agent Prigozhin and some Wagners? Is it possible that they thought most Russians would be behind the coup and then they found… Read more »
The Left is totally deranged–yes, yes, I know. Just call me Captain Lord High Judge Obvious. On the one hand they have enough megalomania to think they are on the right side of history and that by slaughtering enough people, will convert the world to the holy cause of Perversity and Diversity and White Genocide. (That is an argument in favor of it believing Russia was a tinderbox of anti-Putin furor merely awaiting the match.) On the other, they’re convinced there’s a numberless army of white supremacists laying in the weeds awaiting the signal from Stilicho to arise and massacre… Read more »
It has been on my mind for a while that some percentage of the so called “alt media” has to be just as fake and controlled as regime media. It’s not as if the regime, which seeks information control and dominance over all media, would just shrug its shoulders and leave alt media be.
this video(before the coup)
https://t.me/vicktop55/15747
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the fact that russian MoD issued order that wagner soldiers should sign contract with them before 1st of july
prove that Kremlin knew about this particular tribe’s member future attempt of going Lenin on Russia, so the j**w had to act quickly before he lost all of his soldiers.
That fact that his beef was with MoD suggests that j***s had not been able to infiltrate it. Russian MoD supporting Iran & Syria is highly problematic for Israel & .they need to grab hold of it, they also don’t wanna lose Khazaria to Russia.
Zelensky is Jewish, Prighozin is Jewish through his father. Both have acted erratically. I’d guess there are split loyalties, and political sensitivities towards them, at work.
Jews are also prone to megalomania. They’re a ballsy people who believe they can do stuff that non-Jews would think is crazy.
Not sure about megalomania. But they do seem addicted to drama and brinksmanship.
They need to tempt ruin. It’s how they feel alive.
Yeah, megalomania might be a bit far, but not by too much.
Btw, this trait is one of the reasons why Jews have been so incredibly successful. They take huge risks. Sometimes, it blows up in their fact; sometimes, it miraculously works and they end up billionaires and leading politicians.
Chutzpah, I think it’s called 😀
I prefer overconfidence.
Zelensky is not Jewish. Anyone who converts to a different religion is not considered Jewish and can’t get Israeli citizenship.
Prigozhin qualifies for Israeli citizenship as having 1 Jewish parent but is not Jewish since the mother isn’t (wasn’t). He can’t be buried in a Jewish cemetery without conversion to Judaism.
Elvis Presley was Jewish, as his great grandmother was Jewish, she had a daughter, who in turn had a daughter who became Elvis’s mother.
But Zelensky? Not Jewish. I just can’t find out if he converted to Catholicism or Orthodox Christianity
Well I’m grateful to be enlightened about that, but I’m still left wondering about it.
Bring a bigger shovel next time, please.
Anna, can you go back that far wrt maternally linked descent? That sure would increase the number of Jews. How the hell do you get out of the “club” (tribe). 😉
Judaism believes that a fetus receives some parts of it’s soul from mother’s body, which makes it Jewish.
Abraham had 2 sons; Itzhak by Sarra and Ismail by Agar. Only Itshak is Jewish.
Eh. I don’t think the “coup” was much of anything. It was mostly projection and wishful thinking by the ZOG media. None of the talking heads know fuck-all about Prigozhin. Neither do I. But they were all acting like they were experts on him and this was some kind of important event for America and it controlled the narrative for a couple of days. Just a little bit of basic research on this dude and on Wagner indicates that they were sort of a Russian version of Blackwater. There was no way they were going to stage any coup and… Read more »
Considering that Prigozhin had met with Putin a couple of times in the prior month, and that $6.2 billion had suddenly gone missing from the Pentagon, I don’t think we can rule out the possibility that this was staged, with Prigozhin double crossing the US/Ukraine…Putin also used it as an excuse to declare martial law, so highly beneficial to Putin anyway you look at it….
I am sorry, but the missing money thing is nonsense. The DoD, last year, could not account for 1.5 trillion in assets. The idea that they had to do some chicanery to make a couple billions disappear is not within the bounds of belief.
Writing that last sentence is kind of comical. Misappropriating a few billion dollars is unbelievable because they misappropriate trillions hehe
It’s smacks of 4th generation warfare. I do not believe anything I see or read, too much disinfo. That said, I do not have an opinion on the news of the day. I am not a Russiaphobe or a Russiophile. I do know that the Russians have been invaded twice by the western powers over the last two hundred years with disastrous results. It’s a nation with one foot in Europe and one in Asia. Do not look to Russian decisions with European/Western eyes…
Prigozhin seems to have considered himself a kind of Russian Ernst Rohm, with his paramilitary army and political aspirations. It appears he escaped Scarface Ernie’s fate, but the result is the same. His private army of thugs and criminals and his ambitions both collapsed, and Putin likely will receive the same support from the Russian “better sort” as Mustache Guy did from the German aristocracy when he removed Rohm and his SA as a threat. In both cases, I think that the man in power gave just enough rope to each to hang himself and in the process present the… Read more »
But Wagner’s military achievements were substantial, with 50,000 troops defeating 46 Brigades of Ukrainian troops, maybe 150,000, and clearing out Bakhmut..And of course suffering many casualties, which were not suffered by the Russian army…
Which is exactly why the regular Russian Army absolutely would want them disbanded. No serious nation state can allow a private army to operate side by side with the constituted, legitimate armed forces of that nation. That same dynamic is what pushed the German army to make a deal with Mustache Guy to eliminate the SA, who in 1934 actually outnumbered the Reichswehr. Prigozhin represents the bad old days of collapse and humiliation, where an ex-convict can turn himself into a warlord. The Russian generals are done with that time and dealing with guys like him now. The generals want… Read more »
I’m suspicious also, however from what a I’ve heard there were good reasons to have a “merc” army. One of course was the immediate need for soldiers. Another was the restriction on conscripts and combat duty outside the motherland. The provinces were only later annexed as Russian territory. Finally, one precipitating cause of the brouhaha was Russia issuing “contracts” to the Wagner group—sign and become part of the official Russian command structure, or go home.
is prigozhin the SA guy, or was this his beer hall putsch?
Prigozhin is a hands-on general contractor.
Unfortunately, the whole affair will cement in the minds of the neocons that regime change is possible, even likely. That will be how they view it. What little hope that there was for a negotiated peace is gone now. The neocons won’t allow it because they’ll keep dreaming of overthrowing Putin.
Good point, and the past scuttling of peace attempts bolsters it.
There was never a chance of a negotiated peace, the US having proven to be completely unwilling to abide by treaties or agreements, after Minsk 1 and Minsk 2..
3rd Minsk a charm?
This is why I say a clock is ticking on the SMO and tend to side with Col McGregor who predicts an escalation by Russia to finish this fiasco.
RFJ Jr has a interview circulating wherein he talks about President Kennedy sending “advisors” to VietNam knowing they’d be in the fight, but when the American death count reached 75 he supposedly ordered the plug to be pulled on the whole operation. (Then he was dead a month or so later). At some point, the Congress is going to have start demanding to know just how many American troops are actually dying in Ukraine. The hotel/barracks attack in Kramatorsk seems to be a targeted attack on NATO “mercenaries”. The Russians lost something like 10 million citizens during their Civil War… Read more »
It’s also extremely reckless, with thousands of Russian nuclear missiles pointed at the US and its buddies…
Prigozhin is basically a mobster who got too big for his britches. Best take on what happened, from Andrei Martyanov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-SPBc_8GXw See also his blogspot under “SmoothieX12”. Quoting: ======= And now who doubted (I will name names) two days ago: US backs coup attempts whenever it can benefit – Lavrov FSB is looking into this matter, but Vladimir Putin stated this clearly an hour ago: “They [the West and Ukraine] wanted Russian soldiers to kill each other, so that soldiers and civilians would die, so that in the end Russia would lose, and our society would break apart and choke… Read more »
Martyanov is an invaluable resource for good information on the NATO vs Russia war. Napolitano’s Judging Freedom site is also informative.
I have no intelligent suggestions, but I strongly suspect that a key to understand Putin’s behavior is that he considers Russia to be already in a full-on war against NATO. This means that he can’t just crush Ukraine and go home, because that wouldn’t end the war. He need to plan for the long game.
Agreed. The Russia’s actions all along have been as though this is just the first stage in a long war – militarily, financially and diplomatically.
Total guess, but it seems as though Putin is trying to manage the war so as to never commit too many troops out of fear of getting hit by NATO in another theater. As long as his military stays balanced, NATO can’t attack. So, he slow grinds Ukraine will building his military and holding it back, both to prepare for the real enemy and to prevent NATO from attacking.
I believe Putin and his team are husbanding the Russian military as much as possible to conserve their strength in anticipation of direct intervention by GAE combat brigades.
I read something once that suggested that Putin was behind the refugee marches in 2015. He figured the only way to beat Europe was to change the demographics and cause internal strife. Pretty brilliant and long-term thinking. But monstrous also. If this true, Putin is not someone we should like.
The Germans did it to Russia using bolshevics. It is a tried and true strategy. If he is behind it (which I doubt since it’s been going on for decades) maybe the West should not have put him in a position where he felt he needed to.
Still, not our guy. But he is opposing our enemy at the moment.
And he is, with volunteers for the military rising rapidly, military production increasing dramatically, and the population becoming more and more angry…
I also don’t know the real dynamics and I too speculate. Prigozhin seems to have been a mix of thug and buffoon his whole life. He was behind bars as a career criminal when the Soviet Union imploded. He has never been a professional soldier. Prigozhin and his Wagner Group — composed of men from Russian jails and hence expendable cannon fodder — have been convenient instruments for Putin and he has been prepared to overlook Prigozhin’s bluster and bravado.
This was not a serious coup attempt. Prigozhin was not Caesar crossing the Rubicon.
Most of the Wagner fighters are just former soldiers. The whole prison thing was an expediency allowed un the Donbas. Wagner recruited fighters from the local jails, not Russian jails. That said, Russia has the same traditions in this regard as the West. That is, one way out of prison for low-level offenders is to join the military. You get caught with drugs you can join the military or go to prison. This used to be common in the United States. That said, I do think the Kremlin was happy to use Wagner as shock troops in order to preserve… Read more »
Prigozhin is probably genuinely angry about the dovish policy towards Ukraine. He blames the war minister to avoid attacking Putin. This anger has got him unhinged.
Z – you are right on. I believe too many ignore that this guy was on the front lines for a year. That would take a toll on anyone, much less an older guy who had never experienced such combat. I think we should remember that he had been off the front line for around a month(I am assuming). A year of non stop stress and death, and then the sudden cease with no time for decompression (such as the long trips home ik ww1 and 2 for us vets). A recipe for paranoid restlessness.
this is how the ukrainians are doing . https://twitter.com/i/status/1673825546218663939
Wagner’s logo is pretty buffoonish. If you festoon scary skulls on a T-shirt, on a tattoo, or a logo, you’re not my kind of guy.
I’d love to have a Wagner t-shirt. It would piss off the right people so I can get behind it.
To REALLY piss ’em off, it should feature the Wagner emblem and a portrait of Richard.
Seems the SS with its Totenkopf did not think so at the time, albeit the Wagner logo looks a lot like a biker patch. See Hell’s Angels.
Well, IMHO, when the Russian juggernaut gets underway, I hope it will not end until it reaches the English Channel.
Here’s a German who agrees with you…
https://www.unz.com/article/rootin-for-putin/
Thank you Epa.,I quit reading the Uns review long ago after giving up on Sailer. That was a great read on the situation from a eurocentric perspective.
I haven’t seen Sailer on there in years.
I largely gave up on unz.com as the pro-China shills became more and more open and obnoxious.
Why stop there? GB is the worst warmonger of all…
Gotta cross the Atlantic or North Pacific if you want to stop the real warmonger
GB? Nah mate. In the long list of warmongering countries, I’d put GB somewhere between Spain and Sweden. GB was largely a defensive power that won, by pluck and luck and “the playing-fields of Eton” against far more aggressive powers like the Spaniards, the French, and the Germans. Only by the 19th century did they decide they wanted to seem like a bestriding world power. But they weren’t really. They just showed up in long-declined dysfunctional third-world countries and said, “Cheerio. We’re terribly afraid that we must assume your government for the Crown. And you shan’t resist, or I daresay… Read more »
Once again I must repeat my favorite.Bismarck quip. During the very short “war” by Prussia and Austria with Denmark over Schleswig-Holstein, Britain as Denmark’s firm ally made loud noises about intervention.
When Bismarck was asked for his plan if Britain landed troops, he said he would just send the police and have them arrested.
Once again I must repeat my favorite.Bismarck quip. During the very short “war” by Prussia and Austria with Denmark over Schleswig-Holstein, Britain as Denmark’s firm ally made loud noises about intervention.
When asked for his plan if Britain landed troops, Bismark said he would just send the police and have them arrested.
Apologies not intentional but fitting
“GB was largely a defensive power that won, by pluck and luck and “the playing-fields of Eton” against far more aggressive powers like the Spaniards, the French, and the Germans.”
So the British national myth would have you believe.
No way the Russians could take GB, the Brits would resist to the last man, they would never allow themselves to be ruled by a foreigner
“ No way the Russians could take GB, the Brits would resist to the last man, they would never allow themselves to be ruled by a foreigner”
Yep, that’s why they don’t illegals to enter and settle their cities, like London….;-)
Technically they’re already ruled by foreigners, Sunak, Khan and Charlie boy himself is german. So that ship sailed long ago.
That was the joke
Then, after reaching the channel, the amphibious assault on Britistan.
Or just nuke London and get it over with.
No, Moscow getting nuked after London might be the end.
Hey! I live in Londonistan with my family. I don’t want or deserve to be fried. It’s the stinking gov which is the enemy. Same as most other places.
Then on to the U nlimited S upplyof A nalists.
That Prigozhin always struck me as a bit of a loon, a bit of the ol’ “I’m eccentric, only poor people are ‘crazy'”. If I was sitting around waiting for that guy to crack then I’d imagine Moscow was thinking the same thing way before I did.
What I have learned is what I already knew: I don’t understand Russia or Russians and neither do virtually all Westerners.
“The East is a delicate matter” as the popular quote of a popular Russian movie goes
The White Sun of the Desert, 1970
I feel bad for my state…
One major trait is accurately depicted in movies like Dr. Zhivago…Russians are extremely patriotic, and willing to sacrifice for their homeland…
So are Americans, which is why they’ve imported non-Americans.
Didn’t Alexis de Tocqueville predict that the whole course of Western civilization would come down to a contest between the Americans and the Russians?