Far-left talking head Michael Kinsley once said that a gaffe is when a politician accidently blurts out the truth. It was a funny line that has been popular in Washington for a long time, because everyone in Washington knows it is true. It is not just politicians who lie to their voters. Everyone in Washington lies. In fact, the semi-permanent ruling class lies more than the elected class. As a result, they are less prone to gaffes, but every once in a while, one of them blurts out the truth.
Yesterday we had one such example. Victoria Nuland, the moral nullity responsible for the disaster in Ukraine, was called up for a very friendly chat about Ukraine with fellow warmonger Marco Rubio. This was supposed to be part of the highly choreographed public relations campaign in favor of starting war with Russia. Instead, Nuland blurted out what should never have been said. That is, the United States has been running biological weapons labs in Ukraine.
The reason for Rubio’s question about the bio-labs is this has been circulating on-line since last week. The Russian Ministry of Defense posted documents they said were found at a biological lab in Ukraine. This was ignored by Western media, but then the Chinese government made a statement about it. This is harder to ignore and it started to get traction on-line. Rubio assumed Nuland would dismiss it as disinformation, which was in his copy of the script.
Rubio is not a smart man, but like all politicians he has the vermin like rapaciousness that has come to define the political class. When Nuland confessed that the US was operating biological labs in Ukraine and they were worried that the Russians would find out about it, so they instructed the Ukrainians to destroy the evidence, Rubio’s lizard brain kicked into action. He quickly got her to employ the Opposite Rule of Liberalism, which is now the Opposite Rule of Liberal Democracy.
Briefly stated, the Opposite Rule of Liberal Democracy says that you should take whatever they say, start with the opposite, and you are close to the truth. In this case, she hilariously rolled out a version of “they cry out it pain as they strike you.” This was one of those moments people used to call a Freudian slip. She blamed the Russians for doing what she was doing at that very moment. Her entire life is based on blaming others for what she herself is actually doing.
Another interesting aspect of this gaffe is that the foreign policy establishment heard about the bio-lab documents last week. They probably knew about this from Ukrainian sources prior to the Russians posting the documents. After all, the State Department was running the labs, so they knew they existed and they knew the Russians would capture them at some point. Again, no one in charge has any doubts about the results of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
This is why they planted a story in Foreign Policy claiming this is the work of the QAnon shaman, the guy dressed like a bear who entered the Capitol on January 6th and who is currently rotting in prison. This is a classic political tactic. You not only get your version of the lie in circulation first, but you also tie the truth to conspiracy theorists and crazy people in order to anathematize it. This has been the go-to move of Washington since the Clinton crime family blew into town.
That is what makes the Nuland-Rubio exchange amusing. Marco Rubio is as dumb as a goldfish but he knows how to read his lines and follow direction. If politics did not pay so well for so little work, he could have made a career in movies. He read his line expecting Nuland to repeat the QAnon stuff. Instead, she blurted out the truth and he had to try and save the scene. It was one of those moments when you see just how dumb the people are behind the Ukraine fiasco.
Putting the performance issues aside, the question that should be on everyone’s mind is just how crazy are these people? We know that America had a hand in the Covid lab leak that set off the Covid pandemic. The media is back-paging this story now, but the evidence is clear that the virus came from a lab and it was most likely the lab in Wuhan, which was supported by the American government. We will never get the full truth, but we know the basic outline now.
China is a serious modern country with a serious government, so maybe this collaboration made sense in some way. Ukraine is not a serious country and it certainly does not have a serious government. Its government is literally run by a television comedian, the local version of Mr. Bean. Even if there is some reason to justify this, the time to close it down was months ago when the Russians started building up forces for what the American government said was an invasion.
There is a recklessness here that should be terrifying to serious people. Victoria Nuland is a stumble-bum with a long history of screwups. She was caught on tape during the American overthrow of the Ukrainian government in 2014. In tradecraft for beginners, they teach students to assume all electronic communication is being monitored by people with hostile interests. Cubicle jockeys at Langley get fired for making this sort of error, but Nuland just keeps getting promoted.
It is no wonder the world is rocketing toward disaster. It is not just that Victoria Nuland has a job, but that the people around her think she is highly qualified. In other words, this stupid woman is the part of the iceberg we can see. These are the same people now responsible for avoiding a global calamity over the war in Ukraine. Even more frightening is the fact that not a single politician in either party is pointing out what should be obvious even to Marco Rubio now.
This will not end well.
An actual (ie: non pre scripted) follow up question would have been the one everyone watching this thought:
“WHY does the US have THIRTY bio labs in Ukraine?”
It makes absolutely no sense. Ukrainian scientists doing the work American scientists won’t do? US scientists too busy researching exciting new gender possibilities and how to chemically induce them and can’t be bothered right now?
How is this not a top story? Who authorized this, who paid for it, what do they research, why is the US storing dangerous pathogens on the border of a major world power rival?
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I am sure you can answer your own question.
Its the same reason they had torture prisons in the Middle East. Everything is a criminal off books operation for the cartel families running the west.
The Ukraine is a puppet run by Kolomoisky from Switzerland in tandem with the US State Dept (who also fund the mercenary and militia battalions).as a massive extra-legal black ops area pretending to be a country.
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“How is this not a top story?”
C’mon.
Russia and probably China likely will be releasing lots of unpleasant information that has been seized over the next few weeks. The Number One job of the United States’ propaganda organs and police state apparatus will be to squelch it.
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They do these types of things usually to skirt around us regulations. Think abu ghraib of research.
“WHY does the US have THIRTY bio labs in Ukraine?”
It makes absolutely no sense. Ukrainian scientists doing the work American scientists won’t do?
Wild Ass Guess: We probably have laws that forbid such research within the 50 United States. We’re probably a signatory to treaties that forbid biological or chemical weapons research and development. So you perform your research in another country and have plausible deniability (“Well we’re not performing that research in the United States, Senator” 😉) and if things go catastrophically wrong (Whooops, we released a particularly nasty, virulent virus, Our Bad) you hope you only kill off the native population.
Of course, there’s a risk your proxy researchers steal your research for their own nefarious purposes (Hello China).
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““WHY does the US have THIRTY bio labs in Ukraine?
It makes absolutely no sense. Ukrainian scientists doing the work American scientists won’t do?”
wasn’t covid blamed on chinese wuhan lab? gates did say another virus is coming, a bio terrorist event will take place, his words, i’m guessing they would have blamed russians for this new virus.
Or maybe they simply wanna get rid of slavic people, make room for khazars.
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One rumor is that Putin got wind of what was being cooked up at those labs.
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Your wild ass guess is not a guess. The “gain of function” research that led to COVID-19 was explicitly banned in the US, so the NIH took that research and put it overseas. One lab we know for sure got that research was in Wuhan, China. We are also DEFINITELY a signatory to treaties that forbid biological or chemical weapons research and development.
For years I wondered why so many people in the government, in both parties, were so obsessed with Ukraine. Even taking into account that there are long-standing tribal grudges dating back to the Russian Empire, it seemed silly to care so much about this tiny backwater country over so many. The Hunter Biden/Burisma stuff made it clear that these government officials were and are using that country as a source of dirty money and who knows what else. Cleaning it up would mean turning off those spigots for good. With this conflict and the insane, unhinged US response to it, that gets more insane and unhinged by the day, it seems this is more true than I knew, and the evil rot is far deeper than just money.
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this will definitely not end well, ukraine is irrelevant at this point meaning even if conflict dies off in a couple of weeks, europe is still going to war.
european leaders are even more pathetic than american politicians, they’ll do everything zionist america tells them to do, usa will arm Germany, Poland & even faggoty ass scandinavian countries & send them to fight putler.
americans tried to surround russians by instigating kazakhstan revolution, it didn’t work, this ukrainian conflict won’t work either so they’ll move up towards russia’s northern borders.
Sweden’s feminist politicians will eventually demand be included in nato cause putler’s testosterone is too much for them & here we go again.
this is what happens when ideology takes root in a system. IMO the roots of governmental collapse in this country began when public sector unions were allowed. and now the parasite is killing its host, blithely.
modern life is just too complicated for the mass of people to really comprehend, so they vote in bad people, they engage in bad personal habits, and they raise kids that are just as ignorant and unfit. the modern system of governance and societal organization peaked in the late 1950’s to mid 1960’s. and is now in steep decline the world over, including in china. how far western states will regress remains to be seen, but one thing is certain, the carrying capacity in terms of human population is going to be dropping precipitously.
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All true. I had thought the drop in population was some evil scheme, and now realize it will be a moronic accident.
Green Greenwald pointed out on twitter that Victoria Nuland married into the neocon royal family of Kegans. She is married to Robert Kagan who is a co-founder of “Project for the New American Century” with plans of regime changes in the muslim world and likely also Russia. Robert Kagan´s brother, Frederick Kagan now runs an interview series on Jordan Peterson YouTube channel about Ukraine.
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Also, the people in charge (PIC) probably don’t think Vicki Nuland is highly qualified. The modus operandi of the past quarter-century or so has been to promote those who have kompromat, or are connected to an extent that they can’t cause trouble, or better yet, born and bred into the system. The PIC obviously have a faulty android in their hands, so they’ll reprogram Nuland’s positronic brain and put her out there again.
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Leninism relied on outcasts to be loyal to retain their wealth and employment. The corporatism/fascism enveloping the West does rely on easily blackmailed and/or bribed folks doing the same.
Nope they really do.
Qualifications as you understand it are for plebs and academic water carriers.
The qualification IS who you are, who you are married to and your position in the global family set.
Everything else is just window dressing.
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My go to thought is “behind every disaster is a Harvard Man.”
In this case, it’s a Brown woman.
Honest to God, what is it about Ivy League schools that make them turn out Sociopaths and Psychopaths?
Bartleby: Just like our government, the Ivies were taken over by a hostile elite. Their presidents, their professors, a large cohort of their students and, of course, their alumnae ‘funders.’ Lock, stock, and barrel. Please don’t be a badthinker (or as occasional commenter ‘Anna’ will claim, a juicehater) and chalk it up to anything but selection for superior intelligence and merit.
Its the wrong way round.
They start in that way, the Ivy Leagues are just stamps to smooth the next step to get some fig leaf.
Its like being a member of the right club. The club itself is irrelevant. But the membership indicates your status in the world.
If this is as serious as it looks, then it is a huge problem for our rulers, even with a captive media on their side. Eastern Europe is not China, and it is far more porous in literal terms and in terms of the stream of information. The Chinese government and American government are both basically totalitarian (although the Chinese at least don’t direct their energy toward destroying their own people) but there are still some serious journalists in Europe (as in Latin America) willing to literally die or be tortured to do their jobs. “Wet markets” and stories about pangolins aren’t going to work for this one. People don’t use facebook or even twitter that much anymore, so those won’t really work as chokepoints. What does that leave to control the flow? Late night comedians and SNL sketches to mock those who oppose the system, fed material directly from the intelligence community? Alex Jones claims Colbert/Kimmel, and SNL literally get notes from these agencies to “do their part” to combat misinformation with comedy. Also if something more potent than another same-old SARS variant gets released, it could be “Twelve Monkeys” time. They’ve got stuff in those labs that will make the living envy the dead.
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I am afraid my worst fear, that these people are batshit crazy and stupid enough to start a nuclear war, will be realized. People who believe men can have babies cannot be trusted with guns let alone atomic weapons.
In addition to dumbass Rubio’s and psychopath Nuland’s trainwreck yesterday, the announcement that Poland would fly fighter jets to the Ukraine, quickly batted down by Warsaw in the most humiliating way possible for D.C., shows a degree of recklessness and madness previously unthinkable.
The good news: they all may die in a fireball.
The bad news: so will we, and those who do not perish will wish they had.
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How does the meme go?
> Hey, Victoria Nuland, how’s the war going?
> We have bioweapons in Ukraine and we’re worried the Russians will get them, but any use of bio-weapons is obviously a Russian false flag
> [stare] Jesus Christ!
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Nuland types have a deep hatred for Russians and Ukrainians. There is an old story of Nuland visiting Ukraine years ago and teasing orphans by throwing out bread crumbs, until an old Ukrainian woman called her out and slapped the crap out of her. Passing out cookies in Kiev in 2014 was simply giving out dog treats to her faithful pets. Those biolabs were probably there to use the local people as lab mice.
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In Nuland’s case, it should be tradecraft for dummies, idiots or morons – take your pick. The insanity of our “leadership” as well as that in the EU is breathtaking. So we now slap a moratorium on Russian oil, gas and related products and then go hat in hand to Iran and Venezuela – WTF? Countries we’ve been f-ing over for years are now going to happily sell crude to the US? And in Germany, some governmental group has recommended NOT extending the life of their nuc plants, at the same time Russian energy supplies, which they rely heavily on are being cutoff. Nothing short of incredible. So now, not only will have $10 a gallon gas, we may not even be able to find and/or buy it – oh, and let’s not talk about food prices, or anything else for that matter. Unless these clusterf*** tards start backing off, things will get majorly ugly, but it’s probably too late. Hell, we could come apologetically groveling back for Russian oil etc., and will be told to FO in no uncertain terms. Talk about burning every freaking bridge we had.
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Are people really stupid enough to believe Nuland’s “I know who you are but what am I” routine here, two years after a lab leak at a US-funded institution triggered a global “pandemic” that triggered a destroyed economy and a totalitarian power grab? In a functioning country Nuland’s admission here would be grounds for instant impeachment and removal of the sitting administration.
Of course, people do not have to believe it. The mass media is simply not reporting on it (which is enough evidence to me that it is 100% true). The only mainstream articles I found were “fact checks” from days or weeks ago that said the labs do not exist. None of them have been revised updated with Nuland’s on-the-record statement, despite their declarations to be arbiters of reality. For all intents and purposes, this story simply does not exist. This is the censorship regime the media and government wanted after 2016 and now they have it.
That said, even if the people were outraged over this story, who do they turn to? Everyone in DC is on board. Mike Pence, Marco Rubio, and Lindsey Graham are not going to fix this. The only way out is through, it is going to get bad.
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that’s why i just sit back and enjoy the ride, because the situation is beyond repair. luckily, all the normies doing their thing doesn’t really perpetuate the current rotten system.
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The answer to your first question is “yes, yes they are”.
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Bartleby: Beat me to it, sir!
People like Nuland are a feature not a bug in the system. Bureaucracies don’t want the best, they at most want the second best. The best are too unpredictable and can’t be counted on to go with the flow.
People like Nuland are hired because they have the right, or at least a sufficient, pedigree. Brains can get in the way of showing that you can be counted on to toe the party line for the overlords.
And the rewards are great. Once in, unless you embarrass your betters and make their lives harder, you are safe.
So Nuland can make a gaff and admit the truth but the whole system will cover for her.
In corporations or government this is rarely a problem. Every other corporation is largely led and filled with the Nulands of the world.
What makes our current political world interesting is China and Russia actually value smart people. That makes it harder to be incompetent for the West outside of their bubble. And because Russia and China do not need to be submissive to the US, that seems to inspire other countries like India, Pakistan and Turkey to not act like puppets of the US and EU.
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“China and Russia actually value smart people.”
no, they don’t. they value political obedience. just like here.
why is it so difficult for people to recognize and accept that our system is converging on their systems? they are not the beacons of rationality some see them as.
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The benefits of starting from a higher standard. China and Russia would be just as incompetent if they were legally required to hire Africa.
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It’s hard to believe a decade ago, Rubio was seen as one of the young republican up and comers. In reality, he was nothing other than some flavor of beaner political hack – as usual. It’s going to take some real bad times to finally jettison ourselves from these parasites.
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UsNthem: As I have related before, I still recall reading a glowing article about Biden and other ‘up and coming’ senators in Time magazine while flying ca 1975/1976. Here we are 45 years later . . . so please don’t hold your breath. Since the current ‘constitutional system’ selects for such parasites, we need to jettison the system itself to deal with the problem.
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They wanted to run Rubio as the Republican’s minority answer to Obama, even though, according to the DNA test he took on Finding Your Roots, he is 95% white. He was more than happy to play the part for them. During the 2016 campaign I remember him pushing for regime change in Venezuela, essentially arguing “we do this in the Middle East, why not in our own hemisphere?”
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“It’s going to take some real bad times to finally jettison ourselves from these parasites.”
As Zman wrote, “This will not end well”. And as you note, killing a parasite can cause grave damage to the host. What I’m getting at is the fact that we should not WANT things to end well. If they do, the parasites continue to flourish. The stark reality is that it’s going to take a catastrophe of the Ruling Class’s making to get these people out of our lives.
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And then for no reason at all…
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They are working furiously to produce that catastrophe.
That’s the truly amusing part. Let’s put on our rose-colored glasses and assume this all ends in some kind of peaceful way — a semi-independent Ukraine rump state with a nice demilitarized zone between it and Russia, let’s say. I’ll bet you the entire budget of Build Back Better that the “American” ambassador to that new Ukrainian rump state will be…
….Victoria Nuland. These people can’t learn. Their brains are broken. Either they go or we do.
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It’s always fascinating to talk to anyone in the mega pro-Ukrainian camp about the causes of Russians decisions to invade Ukraine. The main point I try to contend is that Russia sees the US and NATO as a threat. They tend to dismiss my contention with utter disbelief and the contention that NATO is only a defensive alliance. I then bring up things like the fact we’ve invaded or bombed nearly a dozen countries who haven’t attacked us in the last 25 years. Typically, they bat that away those instances as reasonable lines of intervention to stem humanitarian crises. Or they say we were morally obligated to act in those cases.
Then I say consider that view point from the Russian side. To them, we are an unpredictable enemy who acts on ideological grounds rather than realist logic. How could they possibly look at our actions in the past, combined with this moralist-driven hatred of Russia that has been simmering for the past 10 years – most of which based on lies for political gain? How could they not see comments like those from Romney in 2012 or Biden in 2020 and not think we are out to get them? All the while, we run a moralist empire that is openly committed to spreading “democracy” at all costs?
The issue is that all our elites have gotten high off their own supply. They have ingested the propaganda and actively seek to sew it further because they are true believers. The realists who helped craft foreign policy before HW Bush are gone or trying their best to talk sense into those who are deaf to their arguments. We are truly a religiously motivated society and we run a foreign policy based upon the continuation of our basic impulse to convert the world.
How is Putin supposed to deal with an ideologically motivated foe? Or expect us to keep our promises that “we” are vehemently opposed to on moral grounds?
It’s these types of idiocy and irrationality of our side that may birth massive miscalculation. These are the things that lead to spiraling escalation because of mutual lack of trust. One side feels it’s benevolent and righteous while strongly believing the other side is evil. The other trying to figure out wtf is going on.
It’s a recipe for dramatic escalation.
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The only reason it hasn’t escalated rapidly already–yet–is the Ruling Class, which hasn’t had skin in the game since ’45, also would be vaporized in a nanosecond. Given how batshit crazy these people are now, though, that’s probably not the brake it once was.
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So Putin, unlike Cheney, actually invaded a country that has WMDs?
Maybe Saddam Hussein actually transferred all his WMDs to Ukraine before Cheney invaded his country?
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