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Andrew Tate is a former professional kickboxer who transformed himself into an internet personality by mixing ghetto culture with manosphere memes. He offered courses to young males in the art of being a pickup artist. He gained widespread attention after his banning from social media platforms. He is currently in a Romanian prison awaiting trial for a number of sex crimes. Despite his predicament, he remains boastful about his abilities and what lies ahead for him.
Tate’s penchant for display items and cartoonish misogyny have not only made him famous, but it has also put the spotlight on the internet manosphere. Tate is viewed as the extreme expression of a lifestyle that is free of all cultural coercion. It is not that the pickup artist lives solely to sate his appetites. It is that he rejects all of the conventions of society with regards to how a man should live. By conventions, they always mean the highly feminized rules and the modern West.
It is more than a bit ironic that the people who have been gnawing away at conventional sex roles in order to liberate women are now up in arms over men doing the same thing, but for the purpose of liberating men. It also speaks to the feminization of Western societies that the people seeking liberation from cultural norms are young males hoping to prey on women raised on feminism. Women were liberated so that liberated males can treat them like prostitutes.
To further add to the irony, much of the modern left-wing liberation movement is about freeing nonwhites from cultural coercion. You see, according to woke theory, nonwhites can never truly be free until they eradicate white power structures. These are defined as the norms of Western society. Of course, one of those norms used to be how males should behave toward females. It looks like the woke would like to keep some of the old white power structure they claim to oppose.
That gets to the heart of the matter. Andrew Tate is not a man. He is a caricature of what it means to be a man. He is what second wave feminist called a chauvinist, a male who defines himself by minimizing women. Back in the heyday of second wave feminism, such men existed mostly in the agitated imaginations of recently divorced women, but now thanks to the miracle of the internet, they are legion. Feminism literally created what it claimed to oppose.
The reason these internet personalities specializing in the art of exploiting women have grown in number is they appeal to the young male’s natural rebelliousness. Those old white power structures used to have systems for young males to “sow their wild oats” and then settle into the normal routine of being a responsible man. Those have been wrecked by feminism. It turns out that there is little point in being a responsible man when the women are not good at being women.
In fairness, feminism would never have gone anywhere if ruling class males had done their duty and maintained the old ways. The bourgeois society that arose in the 20th century, especially in America, brought bourgeois degeneracy with it. Over the course of the 20th century, America and then the West has come to be defined by the coffee house radical seeking new ways to stand out from tradition and custom. Feminism and the pickup artist are two manifestations of this process.
Interestingly, both Andrew Tate and his woke feminist critics are right. From his perspective, the hedonistic lifestyle built around the exploitation of liberated women is completely rational. If modern society has no rewards for playing the traditional male role, if in fact it punishes those who play that role, then logic says the male should reject that role and seek profit where he can find it. Biologically that means getting as much high status stuff and as many females as possible.
The woke feminists are also correct in pointing out that males living outside the feminist cultural norms are a direct threat to their existence. Modern bourgeois society depends upon males playing the traditional roles in key areas, while the ruling class free rides off of their efforts. It is a parasitic relationship that can only work if the males among the Dirt People play along with it. The lifestyle of Andrew Tate threatens the balance between the host and the parasite.
Of course, no society can survive if the males are like Andrew Tate and the females are like his woke feminist critics. To be a man is to be trusted by other men to keep safe that which is important to men. Andrew Tate cannot be trusted around your women or your belongings, so he is not a man. In a crisis, the first thing that happens is the men in charge kill the guys like Andrew Tate. It is addition by subtraction. Not having to worry about him leaves time for important matters.
Similarly, the woke feminists will disappear in a crisis. In fact, all forms of feminism will disappear as soon as things get serious again. For starters, the men in charge will have no patience for it. Like Andrew Tate, some nag complaining about the unfairness of biology is an unnecessary distraction. The responsible females will quickly move in to put a muzzle on these women. When the crisis comes, look for mobs of middle-aged mothers reviving the ducking stool.
In the end, Andrew Tate and his woke feminist antagonists are both products of the carny morality that springs from bourgeois society. Free to indulge in their worst instincts, a bourgeois ruling class will do their worst and then seek to normalize it among the people over whom the rule. Like the people who live the life of excess, a society ruled this way ends in physical and mental despair. Like the man of excess, a society of excess eventually needs an intervention.
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it seems peculiar that tate would engage in sex trafficking, when he makes so much money off his “classes”. who knows what the real story is; stranger things have happened. maybe it is like that weird sex cult that blew up a couple of years ago, and had some b-level actresses in it. almost seems like you could do a remake of Conan The Barbarian set in modern times…
Most of these YouTube pick up artists are fakers. From what I gather, Tate was basically running a pornography operation. Most likely he was using the females being exploited as props in his “classes” about being a pickup artist.
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I am also skeptical. The EU nations produce a lot of porn. I’d think he could afford to pay them. But who knows, pro athletes who should have no shortage of willing partners sometimes commit rape.
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“the females being exploited”
Those females knew very well what they were doing. Porn actresses are not some poor innocent exploited victims.
If anything, it’s the moronic male followers of Tate who are being exploited by him; and millions of porn-addicted men are exploited by the porn industry. Porn is mental heroin.
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I’ve read that the “sex-trafficking” is nothing more than hiring a prostitute. IE almost completely contrived.
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‘Women get the men they deserve.’ On the bright side, these women are not procreating. On the dark side, the other ones continue to do so and pour over the border/Mediterranean.
Thoughts on the Bolso/Lula happenings? I had a tiny inkling of optimism this time. Now his claim to fame is to be caught on camera eating fast food in Florida.
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The usual suspects thought it was in their interests to create mayhem in Brazil, because Brazil is tilting toward Russia. They could not see past their hatreds and backed Lula over Trump’s buddy Bolsonaro. Now they have a very pro-Russian government in Brazil.
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Yeah the “trad” people we tend to like are certainly the darker ones. East Asians are still trad, but I wonder if that will go away. They seem to have a penchant for weird sex stuff and girly-men.
The irony is, I think, that the Muslim invaders and the Latin invaders will teach the White man how to be men again. Whites will be outbred and displaced, but this might end up with a ethnic European renaissance…in a few generations, if we’re lucky. We just need to find a place to nurture the renaissance.
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Similarly, the woke feminists will disappear in a crisis. In fact, all forms of feminism will disappear as soon as things get serious again.
Do you have anything to support this assertion. Because it sounds like wishful thinking.
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Makes perfect sense to me. When things get serious, living gets hard. When living gets hard, making it day to day requires more physical work, less sitting at computers and TVs (brainwashing), and a strong societal preference for practically. By extension, that last part means a lot less patience for bullshit.
Suddenly, the marginal trance on society will be broken and people will, through necessity, get back to basics. That won’t include listening to pick up artists and feminists bloviate at coffee houses and it won’t include having a “national conversation” every time someone gets their feelings hurt. It also won’t include feminism, or many other -isms either.
practically = practicality, (you knew that)
Many in the comments, and I think Z himself, have pointed out, quite correctly, that when shit gets real, women go for the strong horse, for protection.
One’s own eyes support this assertion.
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I’ll bite: a masculine society with a male military will crush and conquer a female society.
US security forces are overwhelmingly male. The replacement cohort in the security state is overwhelmingly female and diverse.
No individual, group, nation or group of nations would dream of engaging the US 25 years ago with any hope of prevailing. Now? How about in 10 years?
Diversity (division) and females are not strengths.
Exploitation of women was always a huge element of feminism.
When I was young, i used to say that Give a medal to the guy that convinced women that meaningless sex was the ultimate in female empowerment.
When I matured, I came to see that convincing women that working was more fulfilling than having children was another type of exploitation. Maybe a worse form.
The reality is that for most women, feminism has meant foregoing a family for the caricature of housewivery – mindless meaningless “work” and shagging drinks for strangers.
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“It turns out that there is little point in being a responsible man when the women are not good at being women.”
That, right there pretty much sums up the modern Western dynamic.
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The old manosphere was a powerful gateway to the dissident realm, where angry men with weak to nonexistent father figures gave up on mainstream advice for attractive women. They found out the advice of expressing your feelings, being vulnerable, deferring to the lady, ask explicitly asking permission was only a gateway to bitter disappointment. It’s no coincidence the change Heartiste made in his blog before being thrown into the void.
The reason why Tate is even a thing is because mainstream dating coaches keep doubling down on this terrible advice, and encourage awful behavior in women. That and he’s very funny. And no, it’s not that men are repulsed by strong, independent women, because the women who think themselves such are neither, they’re just annoying and destructive.
One of the more amusing things happening is women trying to shame early 30’s men for dating women who are in the 18-23 range, going as far as calling what was close to the norm throughout history as predatory. As more and more women reach middle age, barren and unmarried, they’re going to be prey to men in their 50’s or 60’s who stay reasonably in shape to take their pick of the post-wall pack. Civilization disaster, sure, but nothing we can do to stop the train anymore.
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Aristotle wrote that the ideal age for marriage was 36 for men, 18 for women.
He also said “the male is by nature superior, the female inferior.”
I live in the heart of wokedom where Boomer and Gen X feminists have done very well and will likely pay little or no price for their conceit and good fortune. The next generation — in their teens and twenties — are the non-binaries. You might call them the trans-normies. I’d like Z to opine further on this transition as, at least around here, it’s widespread and growing.
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“In a crisis, the first thing that happens is the men in charge kill the guys like Andrew Tate.”
I have lived more than half my life waiting for this event. I may be too feeble to do much more than wave a salute with my walking cane when the time comes, but I do want to see the day arrive.
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Feminism has pretty much been a disaster across the board – life has just been too easy since the end of WWII. I don’t know what kind of tough times it’ll take to reverse the mess or at least put us on a track to reverse it, but it probably won’t be pretty and I doubt I’ll be around to witness it. Traditional roles and the desire to live by and perpetuate them needs become the norm again.
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Even when Chateau Heartiste was new and the bloom wasn’t quite off the rose, I knew being a cocksman was a dead end. Counting sexual coup (rather than sowing and tending a seed) is a recipe for reaping the whirlwind. Thinking sex is a solution or end in itself for some kind of transcendence is only excusable when you’re very young and a virgin and have built it up to be something more than it is. Men who fashion their identity around their sexual prowess always end up as bathetic cautionary tales, no matter their wealth or status. Think of the old gross reptilian Hugh Hefner in his smoking jacket, swimming in his petri dish of a grotto, or Jeff Epstein dead in his jail cell.
An organism’s main responsibility is to reproduce. I say this, as someone, like Zman or Pat Buchanan, who has dropped the ball and knows it by not having kids of his own. Being fruitful and multiplying is not only what every non-nihilistic creed counsels, it’s science: cellular senescence begins in puberty. Your body basically figures out at that point that since you can make copies of yourself, you yourself are a redundancy and can begin dying. Men have a longer window than women to make it happen, but you don’t want to waste that time trying to impress idiots.
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Ramsey Paul called it early that the guys like Chateau Heartiste would move from picking up women to being dissident right. Once you realize that feminism is a joke, you realize that you’re being lied to about everything.
Also, didn’t Roosh (or however you spell his name) become a born again Christian or something like that? He came to the same realize that you talk about.
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Roosh is Orthodox, with an intense eastern-style beard and everything. He, also, is very much on the dissident right, it seems to me. Story as old as Augustine.
> Thinking sex is a solution or end in itself for some kind of transcendence is only excusable when you’re very young and a virgin and have built it up to be something more than it is.
The men who never get over this stage will eventually gravitate to more and more disgusting acts. Everyone probably has had an experience talking to a dirty old man who openly fantasizes about doing grossly illegal and depraved acts. On the other end, there’s no doubt our elites have networks to sate their increasingly vile appetites, hence why there are people like Epstein around to make it happen.
Mozart wrote an opera about the Andrew Tate of his time. It was “Don Giovanni.”
“Free to indulge in their worst instincts, a bourgeois ruling class will do their worst and then seek to normalize it among the people over whom the rule.”
I remember some years back reading Charles Murray’s Coming Apart. It showed very clearly that white society starting breaking down in the late 1960s as traditional norms were thrown first by upper middle class and then by the working class.
However, what was interesting was that the upper middle class started to change direction in the late 1970s and 1980s. The upper middle class could see what divorce and no community involvement were doing to their lives and neighborhoods, so they started bringing back those norms. By the 2000s, the lives of the upper middle class weren’t that different in terms of divorce, rates of going to church, community involvement, out of wedlock births, etc., than they were in 19060.
But the working class never got the message and completely collapsed.
Granted, this is anecdotal, but outside of a few cranks, I don’t see much feminism among my kids friends. Sure, they spout the usual propaganda, but the vast majority of these teenage girls want to get married and have a family. Yes, they feel the need to go to college and get a job, but they seem just fine not working if they can afford it.
I’d definitely say that the kids’ moms are much more into feminism than their kids. Feminism isn’t natural. It’s hard to keep women believing that a job is more satisfying than a family.
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I live on one side of a big street – the working class side. The other side is ruling class, closer to the river. It’s like living in an ’80s John Hughes high school. I walk the dog on the ruling class side of the street for obvious reasons.
Anyway. Working class side has Pride flags, but no Ukraine flags. Pink-haired girls and women running households. Ruling class side has Pride flags _and_ Ukrainian flags, but no pink hair and no women running households. Lots of women out with the new baby walking around.
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The primary difference between the upper middle and working classes during that time frame was economic pressure. Working class jobs were targeted successfully for destruction and lives were subsequently destroyed. The upper class also suffered a few hits but they were nowhere near as severe and they eventually recovered. As an aside, economic deindustrialization was one of the cruelest and frankly evil things ever done to a large segment of society.
I see two possibilities now. The first is that the upper middle class begins to suffer greater and greater economic pressure and starts to fray. The second is there is some sort of economic revival that lifts up those at the bottom as well as those above them. I suspect it will be the former but I’ve read several economists who claim it will be the former. My guess is they have a vested interest in selling snake oil.
Murray was attempting to explain reality to those in his social circles. He more likely addicted lots of his peeps to hopium. There almost is no way the Regime does not have the White Upper Middle Class dead in its sights.
“several economists who claim it will be the former”
The latter.
My observation is that feminism and “liberation” has always been an affectation of the educated elites and was imposed upon the working classes at great cost.
It’s one thing to be a feminist who slept with thirty guys as an undergrad, and then became a prim monogamous mommy sending her fertility-treatment children she birthed at age 40 to private school after making partner in the law firm and marrying a Jewish orthodontist.
It’s quite another thing to have slept with thirty guys if you’re living in trailer park and working at Walmart for $12 an hour while the bastard children you’ve spawned with three different men run wild and most of your free time is spent in Family Court.
After Katrina, I read about a group of Australian tourists who were in the Superdome for shelter. We all know of the mayhem that happened in there. This group, the girls sat in the middle of a circle, and the men stood on the outside of the circle keeping watch. None of these women, to paraphrase the man relating the events, ‘seemed interested in playing boss’.
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