In the Western world, concepts like justice and virtue are thought about as objective things, as if they have been handed to us by God. You cannot have personal justice as it is a thing that exists independent of you. You can have personal virtue, but that just means you voluntarily abide by a set of objective rules. The modifier in that phrase is for emphasis rather than to shift the meaning of the word. To be a virtuous person is to live by a set of rules that apply to all individuals individually.
This is most obvious in the way we use the word justice. It is often treated like a god that must be made happy or bad things will happen. The internet is full of videos where an idiot is breaking the law in a flagrant and gratuitous way only to come to a bad end by his own hand. The popularity of these videos is due to the notion that this proves justice will always be served. Justice is like a ledger and in the end, both sides of the ledger must sum to zero or else.
Justice is the great balance between right and wrong. There are things that are right and things that are wrong. If you do something wrong, like break the law, then the needs of justice say you must be punished. It is not the cops or the prosecutor or the judge punishing you because they are upset by your actions. They are punishing you because justice demands it. They may even have sympathy for you, but justice is justice and criminals have to be punished.
Something similar exists with virtue. The virtuous person abides by the rules of society and maybe the tenets of his religion. Our sense of virtue in the West is a very republican one in that it is based on your relationship with the social systems, not how you serve your family, your community, or your people. The virtuous person adheres to the rules and defends the institutions without regard to personal consideration. It is why every politician claims to be a public servant.
Of course, the word “public” is entirely impersonal. The reason you never hear a politician say he serves his people is there is no sense of a people. There is the public, this abstract collection of individual economic units, who have nothing more than a transactional relationship with one another. In this way, the public servant is not serving real flesh and blood people, but an implementation of them. The public is the interface for whatever lies behind it.
This was not always the case in the West. Justice, for example, was a personal matter for pre-Christian people. If a guy in the next village killed one of your people, justice required you to kill him or one of his people. On the other hand, your people might decide that it is not in their interest to exact revenge this way. Instead, they decide to kill the cattle of the other village. Justice was both a personal and collective concept that was only loosely tied to universal concepts.
In Germanic societies, they had trial by combat. In a dispute between two people, justice would be determined by the two parties fighting it out. The idea was not that the gods would pick the winner in the name of justice, but that justice was a personal thing to be imposed on others. It was not the duty of the ruler to sort this out for the two parties in a dispute. His job and that of society was to set the conditions for the two sides to figure this out for themselves.
When it comes to virtue, the reverse was the case. The measure of you as a person was not against an objective set of rules for individuals, but wholly in the context of you as the member of a people. You see this in Homer where the heroes perform great deeds on behalf of their people. The Norse legends have similar tales. Virtue was all about your service to your people. It was simply impossible to be a virtuous man without contributing to the defense and prosperity of your people.
This is why exile loomed so large. Death was a terrible end because you were forever exiled from your people, so you could no longer serve them. Exile was the next worst for the same reason. It also brought the torment of living with the fact that you are denied the opportunity to serve your people. Virtue was defined by you fulfilling your potential in service to your people, so it was simply impossible to be virtuous outside the context of you as a member of a people.
There are still some flickers of this sense of virtue in the modern age. Men who volunteer for the army are thanked for their service. Military honors are often tied to selfless commitment to fellow soldiers under duress. We have parades for cops who get killed chasing criminals. Again, politicians call themselves public servants so they can pretend to be virtuous. All of this, however, is limited to a narrow space of life and measured against a universal standard of justice.
This contrast in the old views on virtue and justice with the modern views is obvious when you look at the current war between the Jews and Arabs. Hamas committed an atrocity against the Jews because their justice demanded it. The Jews are the enemy of their people and justice demands they strike at their enemies. The men who no doubt volunteered for the mission will be celebrated, because they accomplished a great feat in the war against the enemy of their people.
For their part, the Jews are following the same path. Twitter was full of Jewish commentators demanding vengeance. They were not demanding justice in the way in which modern Western people think of it. Look at how Washington reacted after the 9/11 attacks. The promise was to go after the people responsible. George Bush did not promise to carpet bomb Kabul. Jews around the world and the Jewish government are promising to exact vengeance on the people of Gaza.
The contrasting views on virtue are also obvious on the Jewish side. Diaspora Jews conflate their sense of virtue, which is service to their people, with the Western sense of virtue and demand you give over everything to their fight with one of their ancient enemies in the Levant. A similar mindset drives the neocon demand that the West risk nuclear war in the Ukraine. Note that they speak of Russians as the enemy, not the Russian state or the current form of government.
That last bit is vital to grasping the differences. The sanctions regime was specifically aimed at the Russian people. The hope was that sanctions would collapse the economy and throw the population into starvation. We see the same thing happening with Gaza, as the IDF bombs residential areas. In both cases, the point is to harm the people, holding them responsible, not specifically their leaders. In both cases, it is assumed the leaders are acting in service to their people.
It is tempting to think that modern Western views on virtue and justice are superior to these older forms, but there is much to favor in what we see in the Levant. If the Palestinians adhered to Western views, they would no longer exist as a people, at least not in the Levant. Most would have fled to new lands and lost their identity. The Jewish people would have gone away a long time ago. Their old school views of virtue and justice have allowed them to exist in the most hostile places.
The test of these two outlooks is happening within the West. As non-European people flood into the West, bringing their Bronze Age mindset on virtue and justice, they are challenging Europeans and their universalist and individualist mindset. Will the former naturally give way to the latter or will the latter have to be imposed by force on the former and is this even possible within the framework of the latter? Will Europeans just have to return to their old ways to preserve themselves?
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Note the framing as nefarious actors.
Tom Rowsell at Survive the Jive has the best and appropriate rebuttals. We are surrounded on all sides. Sorry for the off topic comment. Great post today. On positive identity, Rowsell’s channel is a must. He is still on YT for now. He was denied entry the the US recently. Please share with your friends and family.
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The book “Human Smoke” goes into great detail the effort the British put into starving and bombing civilian populations during WWII. It also goes into the massive propaganda campaign directed at the civilian population, including incarcerating a massive number of British citizens with no due process.
On the U.S. side, you have Sherman terrorizing the South in the civil war and the ruthless elimination of the natives in the 1800’s.
Whether you believe such tactics were necessary is beside the point. It shows that western ideas of justice and virtue can only rally exist in a peaceful time among a relatively peaceful people. People in the Middle East have never had either, which is why they are so comfortable with their more ancient versions of Justice. Deep inside, when push comes to shove, most everyone is Bronze Age.
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There is something elegant and sort of satisfying in the thought of two chosen champions, or better yet, their leaders fighting it out man to man to determine which side wins a war. If wars necessitated that the President and Congress move their offices to within 10 miles of the battle front, we would soon find the cries for war and retribution muted. Even better, if we help Israel, all troops we send must be Jewish.
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All three of them ?!?
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I am reminded of the old music video “When 2 tribes go to war” that shows a Brezhnev-looking leader and a Bidenish looking leader pummeling each other…
To add to your point, note the great effort to whitewash allied atrocities in WW2 or the desire of abolitionist to genocide the white population in the South. This is done because this behavior falls outside modern concepts of virtue and justice.
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I recently have seen high-lighted for the first-time reprinted stories/quotes about the Puritan intent to genocide Southerners along with reproduced photographs of how brutal and menacing the federal troops were during the Civil Rights era. Both are meant as warnings/terrorism and are the product of Semitic and Semitic-influenced mindsets. You once had to dig to find these stories and pictures, and I had forgotten how genocidal the language was toward even children.
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When push comes to shove, any country with a few nukes and the ability to deploy them would use them before defeat. That is a universal given, and mostly a universal deterrent to would be attackers.
The logical conclusion from this is any country that hopes to avoid military conquest should be seeking nukes with all their power. It would probably be a more peaceful world if everybody had them instead of just a few, with the no doubt occasional localized exchange between the inevitable nuts of course.
The problem soon however is the potential for biological warfare the likes of which have never been known and is quickly becoming accessible to those very same nuts. It is entirely conceivable that some small time player unleashes an attack with a 90% kill rate. It’s good night Irene at that point. Bronze age will look like the good old days.
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>t shows that western ideas of justice and virtue can only rally exist in a peaceful time among a relatively peaceful people.
I might claim the opposite. The modern/Western ‘total war’ seems to demand “unconditional surrender” of the enemy. That goal, in turn, requires defeating the enemy’s will-to-fight, which in turn, justifies the slaughter of their women and children.
Put differently, the old “private wars” between monarchs arguably produced more humane results.
Speaking of Bronze Age Mindset at the end of this article, I would love a Z man review of BAM by BAP. I’m a big fan and I know a lot of my friends are as well. He seems pretty popular in the younger right wing sphere, and has minimal overlap with the fuentes groupies.
Has the Zman written about BAP at all before?
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I used to interact with him on Twitter back in the old days, but then I was banned for a long time. I tried listening to his podcast, but the Borat accent was too much for me. I have not read his book.
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My $.02: That book has some interesting points to make about a mindset that is to be inculcated and explored. However, BAP has been identified and it looks like he is a subversive. Another usual suspect. He promotes and Andrew Tate type of philandery, degenerate lifestyle and has some very suspect mentors.
Many on the DR who expressed caution about him and now they are looking prudent for doing so. If you want to follow our guys, follow:
Tom Rowsell of Survive the Jive
Dries van Langenhove:
(https://odysee.com/@Guben14:0/Dries-van-Langenhove-Speech-at-the-March-against-Marrakesh–English-Subtitles-:8
https://odysee.com/@BelgianCongo:3/Dries-Van-Langenhove-restores-Congo-monument-dedicated-to-1894-war-against-Arab-Slavers:2
The Distributist
The Prudentialist
George Bagby
Auron MacIntyre
Just to name a few. There are also significant IRL movements around these folks that promote constructive action and fellowship. Things like the Beowulf Foundation and more. Another nice thing about them is that they are younger than the more longstanding organizations. They also are wise in how they present.
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I mean, it’s right there in the name: Bronze Age Pervert. I guess he was not being ironic about being part of the Kosher Nostra.
Some of his stuff is humorous, and it seemed he had some good ideas. Lifting weights is never bad.
His book was okay. The only memorable passage for me is the one where he compares someone like Mitt Romney to an ancient alpha male. It’s a good thing to keep in mind, how effete and emasculated even our most “alpha” world rulers are. (For example, a typical Greek archon had seen more death, or slain more people, or had more wives and concubines, than even a modern Israeli ruler.)
It’s the fact that it’s not our business to be involved in that bothers me. Further, if Israel makes good on their threats and Americans cheer it, idk. The plague years took enough of a toll on me. After a point, it’s not worth defending one’s own.
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It is always worth defending one’s own. The trick is figuring out who is one’s own.
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A complex and thought-provoking post today. Let’s try to parse some of it.
“Hamas committed an atrocity against the Jews because their justice demanded it.”
Their survival, not their justice. The Israelis want to exterminate them, do away with them as a house owner wants to do with rats in his abode. For the Israelis the Palestinians are untermensch. Israeli policy is slow suffocation, slow but sure extermination. In this they’re backed by US and European connivance and at times complicity. A nod and a wink, accompanied by some hypocritical words about peace settlement. By the same people who’ve been berating the poor Germans for the last eighty years. The Israelis are perpetrating the same crimes that some Nazis got the noose for at Nuremberg. The Hamas attack is one of defiance. A quick death rather than a slow one. They have to know they cannot prevail against the Israeli military machine. They have to have known from past experience that the Israeli response would be out of all proportion to their own attack.
What Hamas attack also does is to highlight Western hypocrisy (as if it were needed). Yes, a lot of talk about virtue and justice. But the talk doesn’t translate into action when the chips are down. Every US politician — with perhaps two or three exceptions — is owned by AIPAC, the “Israel Lobby” as Walt and Mearsheimer name them. That includes not just the usual suspects but people like Trump, Robert Kennedy, Jr., and Ramaswamy. Their pricks are in Israel’s back pocket.
At the moment the situation is that if Israel were to unleash a nuclear device in the occupied territories, the West would at most comment that “it was regrettable and unlikely to be conducive to establishing lasting peace.” The Israelis have carte blanche from the collective West,
What’s happening in the Middle East is a race war pure and simple.
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The Irony–it burns.
The Jews were driven out of the Pale of Settlement in Ukraine, then landed in Israel, and America, and prospered mightily while still holding fast to their ancient tenets. Now the worm has turned and they are repeating history trying to drive out Arabs.
The question is, why do the Palestinian Arabs cling so stubbornly to their slivers of territory, when conceivably they must be as intelligent as the Jews, yet refuse to depart and prosper elsewhere taking their ancient tenets with them?
And as an aside, once the dust has settled, will the same ME countries that provided training and intel to Hamas now welcome the departing Palestinians into their own countries with free land and housing, and if not, why not–they are all one people under Allah aren’t they?
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To me the situation is reminiscent — in a macabre way — to the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. I suppose it’s a thought crime to even equate the two. That uprising also was doomed to failure.
The Palestinians are no match for the Ashkenazi Jews in intelligence. The one thing I cannot say is that the Ashkenazis are stupid.
For the Palestinians I suppose the question is that even if they could depart, why should they? It’s a matter of principle. Why should they be ousted from their homeland? The Jews have operated like the camel that pokes his cold nose into a tent and eventually takes over all of it.
The relationship of Israel to the West is an interesting one, replete with ambiguity. The raison d’etre for Israel is as a homeland for Jews persecuted by Europeans. Yet they consider themselves attached by an umbilical cord to that very West. Maxime Rodinson — a French Jew — put it well when he described the Jewish settlers in Palestine as the lowest strata of European society — yet still belonging to that alien world (from his book, “Israel and the Arabs”). The cosmopolitan Jew — as homeless in the Middle East as he was in Europe.
Being an impartial observer of the fracas in the Levant (that statement alone would get me ostracized as a heretic here in clown world), the main entertainment value for me is seeing the pro-palestinian “left” assailed by the pro-jew “left,” because this time around it probably has far reaching political implications. This time around, the Current Thing demands that you are either pro jew or you are a non person. They don’t have any room left for the pro palestinians. And they are going by the creed that “silence is violence,” which mostly came from the pro Pal/BLM left in the first place.
This could be the beginning of a schism on the “left” that not much of anybody saw coming. It ostracizes and banishes not only the Tlaibs and Omars, but also potentially BLM and even The Precious himself. Raising the question of whether or not it was orchestrated with that end in mind. Considering that the HRC wing has never been all that chummy with the Obama wing.
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In order to have a schism on the Left, the Left would have to have a consistent set of principles. The difference between the pro-palestinians and the pro-jews is more like a ripple when you toss a rock into a pond. Gone in a few seconds.
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All this. The political schism is particularly noticeable in the so-called “media.” Intelligence services mouthpiece CNN, littered with even former Mossad spooks, is grilling Freedom Bagels and is all-in on Israel 4-Ever. MSNBC/NBC, the mouthpiece of chi-chi radicalism, is grilling Freedom Kebabs and Stands with Palestine. I haven’t noticed either of their talking heads wearing Palestinian or Israeli flag pins on their lapels just yet, but the day is young. It may seem like hopium but the Coalition of the Fringes indeed is unraveling and erupting into a leftwing civil war. These will continue to happen.
We must focus on our people and take advantage of withdrawing from the internecine squabbles among Not Our People, which will become more and more common as the Clown Show implodes. Not our monkeys, not our service, but our opportunity.
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Jeffrey Zoar: First thing I noted as I started scanning headlines this morning. The hedge fund managers and Wall Street bigwigs are all proclaiming a “no hire” policy for the various Ivy League student associations who sided with the Palestinians. And a sexually-confused BLM student leader had a job offer rescinded. Meanwhile, the subcons are furiously trying to distance themselves from the blaqs and Arabs. Everyone is busy scrubbing internet and social media pages. Because everyone knows that if it’s not online it doesn’t exist. Besides, they’ve been toppling statues and remaking movies and rewriting books for years now. Surely there’s no one left who ‘matters’ who remembers that boring old stuff.
I find it absolutely hilarious. The Jews have been funding every anti-White group and agitating for the destruction of heritage America for decades. Suddenly their foot soldiers have all turned on them! And it never occurred to the blaqs that they wouldn’t be hired as chief diversity officer, because they are innately convinced of their own brilliance. Hey, what ever happened to the ‘arc of history’ eternally bending their way?
The funniest bit is the subcons scrambling to disavow their earlier support for the other parts of the anti-White coalition. They’ve suddenly realized that while Jews may pass as White when it suits them, they remain as tribal as any other on the left and that trying to play by anti-White rules in a tribal feud means the subcons lose. They are working hard to challenge Jewish primacy in both economic and political arenas but they aren’t there yet, and fear they’ve showed their hand too soon.
It’s a game of anti-White musical chairs where the participants are suddenly finding the rules changed mid-game. Jewish or White? Both? Neither? Everyone is scrambling for a seat. I hope they all fall on their anti-White azzez.
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“I find it absolutely hilarious. The Jews have been funding every anti-White group and agitating for the destruction of heritage America for decades. Suddenly their foot soldiers have all turned on them! And it never occurred to the blaqs that they wouldn’t be hired as chief diversity officer, because they are innately convinced of their own brilliance. Hey, what ever happened to the ‘arc of history’ eternally bending their way?”
The drain arcs downwards. It is delicious! Our people need to keep sorting and removing themselves from the circus. The Tribe also has been blocked from the Sino exit ramp. What to do?
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The orc of history keeps rhyming.
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Good post 3g.
I couldn’t give a rat’s ass about the “poor juice”. I’ll sit back and eat my popcorn as the jew foot soldier pets turn on their masters.
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Good point, Zoar. However, in any conflict between the Jews and the PoC, it will be a mighty close-run thing. A Jewish triumph is not a slam dunk here.
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This Israel shyte is an acid test for membership in the dissident right. So much utterly appalling vengeance-seeking on Gaza civilians. The Ace of Spades website is what the ADL would look like if they had nukes. All these guys who pretended to be anti-war, America Firsters–some even opposed to the Ukraine fiasco-now going full asshole neocon for our “greatest ally.” Six gorillian babies have been beheaded! Its fucking disgusting.
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I can’t be the only one whose first thought, upon hearing about dead babies, was Kuwaiti hospital incubators.
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And Germans in WWI playing baby catch with their bayonets.
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As opposed to the Haitians during the Haitian Revolution, who actually did just that.
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A favorite pastime of the Ottoman Turks as well, peace be upon them…
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Shhh: you’re not supposed to mention the white genocide in Saint-Domingue.
Everything has been swell since the French were removed.
Correct.
So it goes with all this semitic shite. Any number of Christians are now standing up on their hind feet and proclaiming that jews are God’s chosen people. Hell’s bells – have any of those retards even READ the bible? The old testament is ALL about how God punished those idiots, and how they never learned anything! My personal opinion is that whole mess is up to God to sort out, because if we get involved with them, He will judge us when next he judges them. This kind of crap will drive schisms in all camps – not only the Christians and the Dissidents.
In the secular world, I think this is going to be the exit strategy of Globohomo from the Ukraine debacle. “Look, all ye rubes and peons! There is another Current Thing that DEMANDS your full attention!!!” And magically – the Ukes disappear from thought, the Russians, and any number of other monsters the left has created.
Contrary to our esteemed blog host, nothing need end badly! All ya need is a big enough diversion – and it’s all good!!!
Ima gonna sit this one out in the outhouse and mind my own business. Not like anyone will pay any attention to an old stubfart when they are blithely ignoring the scholars and common sense.
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have any of those retards even READ the bible?
Yes. Unfortunately, it was the Scofield(stein) bible.
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“In the secular world, I think this is going to be the exit strategy of Globohomo from the Ukraine debacle.”
Yep, but remind me–what’s Ukraine?
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Remember in the Philippines when they tried to kick the U.S. Military out of the Islands? Well SOB, Al Qaeda showed up out of the blue and took over a whole city. Hate it when that happens. Then of course the U.S. had to stay to “help” the Philippines.
Look at this from 30,000 ft and what has happened? Bibi was saved from impeachment at the very least. Maybe worse. The neocons are well on their way to their long standing dream of War with Iran. The U.S. Government has, for the moment at least, distracted the normies from the invasion of our country and all of the other massive insolvable problems created by the government for the past 40 years.
Remember too that Hamas fought with ISIS for a time against Assad in Syria. Funny that an organization so against the West often seems to “accidentally” play into the goals of the West does it not?
No matter, the idiots will probably fall for it again and be stampeded to war. This time though against Iran, the outcome may not be so predictable. It may turn out to be the biggest military mistake since Hitler invaded Russia.
Win lose or draw a campaign against Iran will probably be the Empires’ last hurrah.
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Bibi probably was a dancing Israeli when this happened because it will keep him in power and out of jail at least for a little while longer. Personal corruption isn’t a big deal when you have a country to save. A pox on all their houses as far as I’m concerned. I still haven’t forgotten that Netanyahu was the first foreign leader to congratulate Biden after the steal. Screw him especially.
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Bibi is a true snake. He wreaks of it. One thing is a given. Mossad is many things. Incompetent is not one of them.
Does anybody else miss the Cold War?
Say what you will about the times, and about Soviet Communism, but it seemed for forty years as if the world operated under a set of predictable, understandable, relatively civilized rules. Everyone knew where the line was: you stay on your side of the Berlin Wall; we stay on our side. As long as nobody sends their tanks across the border, all of us get to go about our business normally. Khrushchev was blustery, but not a madman (“We will bury you” was actually better translated as “We will outlast you”). Brezhnev just wanted his afternoon tea and to sign off on awarding himself another medal.
We didn’t know how good we had it.
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This is a point Dugin has made often. The collapse of the Soviet Union was not just a catastrophe for Russia, but for the world. I do not agree entirely with this, but in the fullness of time we may look at the end of the Cold War as a catastrophe for the West.
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Z – the end of the Cold War being a catastrophe is even more pronounced as it can argued that the West LOST the war. The USSR may have collapsed but it’s main export to the world (Communism, Socialism) spread throughout Western Europe and the Anglosphere. The Soviets lost their country but won the world.
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Something interesting is how seamlessly a lot of the Soviet-era bureaucrats transitioned to western ways. One can argue they are just chameleons who fit in wherever they are put, or things weren’t really that different.
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Agreed and have thought the same a lot over recent years, Boris. The one war the United States could claim as a post-WWII victory also was lost.
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What we are experiencing is postmodern facism, not communism. Foucault triumphed where Marx failed.
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Gorbachev and the others at the top of the Kremlin saw how China transformed its economy by ditching hard-core communism and advancing some freedoms, producing tremendous economic growth and restoring Chinese greatness. They tried to do the same, but it didn’t work the same way. Part of the problem was China followed a gradual approach of first freeing the local economies, especially agriculture, while only gradually freeing large industries, mostly maintaining state control. By contrast, Russia listened to Western economists and imposed “shock therapy,” letting the infamous oligarchs loot heavy industry, especially commodities, until Putin came in and killed, exiled or controlled the oligarchs. And of course, the West lied when it said NATO would not move “one inch to the East.” As recently as Feb. 21, 2022, some Russians still were trusting the West. Now they know better. The Cold War had to end, but the sequel could have been so much better. Despite all that, the odds of Russia surviving until 2123 are better than for America.
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We may look at it as an opportunity squandered by triumphalist, vengeful neocons who saw the end of the Cold War not as a telos but as a staging ground to subject the entire planet to liberal democracy under the misbegotten aegis of universalism.
Cliff Robertson in “Three Days of the Condor”:
Do you miss that kind of action, sir (WWII)? John Houseman: No, I miss that kind of clarity.” And regarding Z commenting on bombing civilians in wars, that began in WWI.
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Max von Sydow. I have never forgotten that scene.
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That scene toward the end in the front yard was one of my favorites.
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That whole movie was prescient. I saw it for the first time about 20 years ago when I was still naive. But the 70s libs back then were right about the CIA. Shame they changed.
I feel that destruction is more mutually assured in 2023 than it was in 1963.
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Parts of the left used to oppose wars, now everyone is eating the freedom fries, completely exterminating the opposing tribe goes back a long way in the Middle East.
I do find it interesting as the Z pointed out that the media can come up with all kinds of war porn to feed the masses from the Middle East but very little from the Ukraine.
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The clash of these two views of justice in the US (possibly also Europe) implies the extinction of those that continue to hold the Western way of justice in the face of the tribal way. As each member of our tribe is killed or imprisoned by the institutions captured by the enemy, we sit back and rely on that captured system. Adapt or perish as a people.
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As I was getting at below, this demand for tribal loyalty is potentially very damaging to a coalition that is built on multiple tribes. A mix of blacks, arabs, shitlib whites, jews, and hispanics does not make for an enduring political union that can stand the test of time.
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Well there is a third way – West for me, tribal for thee. That is, internally and amongst our own people, justice is served Western style. Externally towards hostile tribes, we go native.
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Ideally, the only hostile tribes will be kept without our borders. Hence, tribalism would apply to foreign policy but not domestic.
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I think that ship has sailed already.
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Quite. In fact, one could easily argue that the trible norms, the laws of the jungle, are being worked against whites who fecklessly attempt to defend themselves with rapidly attenuating universalist systems of virtue and justice. Call it the Boomer Boomerang.
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“…a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.”
Why, you’d almost think President Washington was talking about our relationship with Israel…
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It makes you wonder, in the face of the present blistering criticism of America as a bunch of Enlightenment hokum. Not that the criticism is without merit, yet clearly there was the idea of America as a new nation that had to be protected and strengthened, as opposed to the largest social experiment yet undertaken. Back and forth for a quarter millennium, or so. I wish we would decide what we are, already!
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Great post, Z.
A friend of mine is a real estate agent in Northern VA. She told me that a few years ago, a dot Indian colleague of hers who shares a large office space was working with a Guatemalan client/home buyer. The Amerindian decided to back out of the home purchase after placing earnest money but he reneged within the time frame and was due his earnest money. The details were explained to him including the fact that there is a process involved. That afternoon, the Amerindian showed up at their office and refused to leave until he received his money. He was furious and law enforcement had to be called. He was certain the Indian guy had stolen his money and he’d never receive it.
After the incident, the American/white agents realized how shocked and rattled they had been as opposed to the south Asians , etc in the office who were largely unaffected. It was attributed to America being a ‘land of law and order’. They failed to take it any further to face the real issue. These types of interactions are commonplace in South Asian and Central American countries due to the corruption because of the demographics in those countries. Whites are accustomed to high trust because whites are altruistic and honest.
Now we are experiencing a clash of tribes from these low trust, dangerous societies in our own communities.
Freedom of association could not be more important for whites.
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The ultimate freedom of association is an independent, sovereign ethnostate.
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A million years ago Pat Buchanan rightly pointed out that there was a difference between a concentration camp and a deathcamp. A concentration camp was like Andersonville, a place where prisoners were concentrated, with the death (supposedly) stemming from a lack of resources rather than actual intent. The intent of a deathcamp wasn’t the concentration, but the death. The slimeball Bill Kristol used this to claim Buchanan was a “Holocaust denier” (“He said there were no concentration camps!”) and the rest is history.
Gaza is five miles wide by twenty-five miles long, with something like two million people living there, one of the highest concentrations of people on Earth. They have a better TFR than the Israelis and about half their population is children. I frankly have no dog in a fight between unibrows and hook noses, but Western morality is very much—as Helen Lovejoy knows—a matter of “thinking of the children!” A few children getting killed by a kid zonked out on psychotropic drugs whose parents didn’t keep the guns locked up is grounds to take away your rights. Cutting off food (and probably water) to about a million little brown kids may or may not backfire, in terms gaining international support. Most Americans are zombies and will think or not think whatever they’re told to think. And while your TV and mailbox will always be bombarded with pictures of starving children, our media is good at hiding this stuff simply by ignoring it. Google “Palestinian Mummy Zoo” and think about how much we would have heard about this if it happened somewhere else, say, South Africa in the 80s.
My guess is that what we call the Left has given too much power to brown and black members of their coalition for support for Israel to continue reflexively. People like Ilhan Omar are stupid, but stupid is very much the future in America—even among airline pilots and congress critters. The crafty old neocons are ageing off, and their replacements are as gormless as the younger human capital everywhere else. Black people dislike Jews, remembering their exploitation at their hands in everything from entertainment to the local landlord and pawnshop owner in the ghetto.
Again, I don’t care about Israel or Palestine. I care about preserving enough of America so that whatever comes next doesn’t end up being like that. It could happen very fast—i.e. “The Six Days’ War”—with our fate being decided very quickly. I won’t posit a Harold Covington/Turner Diaries scenario, but if we’re not careful, and smart—and tribal—we could end up like the Afrikaners, or the Palestinians. Or those animals in the Palestinian zoo
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Great stuff Joey.
I have told my Jewish friends (some are pretty based actually, or as based as rich Jewish guys can be) that the Liberal Jews have really screwed the pooch pushing for all the “diversity”. My argument to them is that the elite WASPs of yore may have had contempt for them, but the Jews managed to get very rich and were very safe with the WASPs in charge.
But because they think they can always improve things, they have displaced the old WASPs with this coalition of anti-White knuckleheads. They wanted to be in charge so they could impose their “virtue” and “justice”. But this coalition actually hates them and all Whites too. They won’t be able to control it, as we now see. They will be dreaming of the good old days of benign contempt and getting black-balled at country clubs. There will be no virtue nor much justice.
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This. American Jews should have been pro Traditional America all along. So what if wasps blackballed them from a country club, they were safe and could prosper and contribute. Wasps created a basically honest and decent society, as far as they go. It was a wasp American Army that fought the Nazis. American Jews are NOT safe with these low IQ POC knuckleheads who lie as a matter of culture and are one chimp-out away from literal throat slitting.
Also, there is no reason for Dissident Right to be pro-Palestinian or pro-Hamas. No different than being pro BLM or La Raza or whatever savage group du jour making demands on your money and you life.
Not to say you should be pro Israel or Jews, but certainly not pro Palestinian.
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Yessir, this.
I’m supposed to pick a least odious dog in this fight?
Choices… a barbaric foreign underdog whose incompatible culture celebrates the butchering of innocent men women and children… or the other side which has corrupted the morals of my society, is at the forefront of every effort to flood my land with foreigners and actively opposes any of Our Peoples’ efforts to roll back the degeneracy and corruption?
A plague on both their houses.
Our People: Young male isolation, men killing themselves, women brainwashed into self-loathing and degeneracy, inability to own homes, racial quotas harming employment, local schools fostering deviant life choices. Young men mangled in the Neocon wars abroad.
Those are the only dogs I have in the fight anymore. Those are the only things I can put my hand to make a small difference.
The world will be the world. Damnation on all the rest. To hell with both these waring desert tribes and whatever the serpents on the Potomac think we “should do about it.”
There is no America left to preserve. Our job is to plan its successor, incorporating the lessons learned from America’s failure.
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The enduring advantage, maybe the only advantage, that we have over the Afrikaners, and the Palestinians, is that there are just way too many of us. This vexes Them to no end. And this advantage will persist long after we have become a minority/plurality. Moreover, their plates couldn’t keep spinning without us. We can only hope they institute an apartheid.
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I saw a video on Saturday or Sunday that was supposed to be Israelis dumping cement into a well. Given the prevalence of propaganda on the internet, it might be old video or not a well, but it does match the rhetoric which is a total blockade including food, water and medicine. The bloodlust on social media is indicative of the deep seated hatred all sides have.
To me, it’s just more proof, as if it were needed, that diversity plus proximity equals war. I just wish the promise of social media, which was that we could see videos of the chaos was real. Any video with anything good in it gets taken down within seconds.
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Bibi told the “Gazans” That: “If you are not part of Hamas move.” Where is he proposing they move to? I think I know. To Europe and America.
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The logical endpoint of the “Our Democracy” dialectic in the US can be found in the Iraqi elections.
These are really censuses, not elections. The Shiites wave their purple fingers and ululate for the Shiite candidate and the Sunnis scream for their guy. So the balance of power really comes down to how many militia each side can field and how well they manipulate foreign governments and NGOs ($$).
Since the writ of the government doesn’t extend outside Baghdad and the influence of foreigners ends at the Green Zone barricade, we are left with tribal mini-states running the show. (Lebanon is the same).
This is probably our future.
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It increasingly is our present.
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“Our sense of virtue in the West is a very republican one in that it is based on your relationship with the social systems, not how you serve your family, your community, or your people.”
This is actually an inversion of right and wrong. Think about all the people mobbed and hated because they said the wrong word or words around an African or LGBTQIPA+ person. Everything about them is ignored and they are pilloried and made into a bad example of how evil people live. Think about the “Karen” meme of failing to show enough deference to an African in their presence. Even a Jewish lawyer had his life destroyed and was evicted from his office building for daring to say people in America should speak English.
Now, even traditional “justice” takes a back seat to the injustice of republican virtue. They won’t send thieves, druggies, or many violent offenders to prison in the pursuit of social justice. My city has a top prosecutor (Larry Krasner) who believe justice is racism and drops the cases of most arrestees. Now the bail reform movement making its way across America is assuring most criminals are let out of jail immediately after an arrest in the rare instances where the case is not outright dismissed.
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Attorneys are well aware that breaking the law is not necessarily unjust, and indeed may be the most just thing…There are two categories of laws…malum in se (punishing what’s immoral by societal standards), and malum prohibitum, which is everything else, including millions of regulations…
Juries have traditionally recognized that killing can be moral and just in some circumstances, and that goes back to ancient Anglo-Saxon customs and law..Jefferson, Thoreau and others have said that violating an unjust law is not only acceptable, but required….
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Jefferson: “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.”
I always knew he was a kahanist type but it’s good to see guys like Josh hammer drop the facade that he is a foreign policy realist. He had been expressing skepticism towards Ukraine but he seems all in on this conflict. Perhaps he’s a different flavor of neocon. The antijihad/Pamela geller types were one flavor of neocon more concerned with Israel. The kristol/kagan/nuland types were more concerned with eastern Europe.
Also, it’s annoying to see rw Jews on Twitter all of a sudden trying out the al and Jesse playbook. If you look at hammers Twitter it’s only slightly different than some black activist calling everyone racist. The only difference is instead of racist he’s saying “Jew hater” or “Nazi”
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It is kind of heartening to see that such tools are not opposed to using extreme violence against a group that needlessly murders and humiliates women, just need them to…bring their focus in a little closer.
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“The sanctions regime was specifically aimed at the Russian people. The hope was that sanctions would collapse the economy and throw the population into starvation.”
The theoretical way sanctions regimes are supposed to work is to punish the population in the target country until they rise of and throw off their leaders who we don’t like. Aside the fact that this almost never works, they will often say this in the same paragraph as they are calling the leader a “brutal dictator.” Civilian uprisings almost always end in lots of dead bodies in the streets. Mao even invited criticism from “the people” and then promptly killed or imprisoned anyone who accepted the invitation.
The only places this could theoretically work is in a liberal democracy. But liberal democracies are so drenched in propaganda and lies that the people wouldn’t even know why they were suffering. If they did figure it out, the target leaders would fill their society with propaganda explaining the country targeting them is run by Hitler and that we are the ones upholding freedom while modern-day Hitler wants to enslave them.
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You are completely illiterate about the Germanic world. There’s no question that after a similar attack they would come right in and kill everyone. As would the Romans. Read Fight at Finnsburgh.
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Did you bother to read the post?
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The problem with the Middle East is the same reason that southern Italy could never develop no matter how many autostradas were paved and power lines hung. The concept of “il vendetta.” Nothing big can be built without drawing a thick black line and moving forward.
Historically the only way this could be done was the total obliteration of your enemy. In Christianity the concept of “forgiveness” is front and center. The fact that the modern Christian since the 2nd “great awakening” has expanded the concept of forgiveness into a pacifist death cult is a Christian problem not a non-Christian one. Even a Buddhist will lay down the law when his community is at stake.
The only way to save Christianity is to obliterate it in its current form and have it germinate once again in a pre-great awakening form. Both Jewish and Arab people could only achieve anything while operating within the Christian superstructure of western civilization which is meeting its end. Without it they would only kill each other anyway, because that’s the kind of people they are.
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These days it seems the “highest” form of virtue that matters anymore is kissing black, tranny, jewish, illegal alien and gay ass – furthermore, the greatest exercise of justice is making sure White people get none, regardless of their virtue…
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Even a worm will turn eventually. The frustration of the people inside the “world’s largest concentration camp” eventually broke out and they spent their military capital (what little they had of it) in an act of savage violence against their oppressors. What else could they do? Now the Jews are all outraged against the inevitable consequence of their own barbarity and indifference. You reap what you sow. But the Jews won’t stop. I suspect we’re in for Hollywood to jump into the fray on cue with some “high-production values” atrocity porn if they haven’t already (beheaded babies?)
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