Gaming The Election

For most people who plan to vote in the upcoming election, the choice is clear and they don’t have to think about it very much. They know their guy is the right choice and the other guy represents the end of the world as we know it. There is nothing anyone could say to them to change their mind. In fact, the number of persuadable people probably rounds to zero. The issue in this election, like most elections, is which side is able to get their partisans to vote, either in person or by mail.

For dissidents it is not that easy. Once you make it to this side of the great divide you know elections are not a solution, but, at best, another opportunity to get more people heading in this direction. Supporting Trump in 2016 was about breaking the pattern so people were not as locked into the old political framing. After four years of Trump, we are faced with a new situation. Is a Trump win better for our side or is a Biden- Harris win better for our side? The answer is not obvious.

Often, our elections are the opposite of what we assume. The pull of partisan politics in a liberal democracy tends to warp the thinking of even the most cynical. In 2000 it seemed obvious that Bush was better than Gore, but in reality, Gore would have been the better choice for white Americans. Bush was the worst thing to happen to white America since the Emancipation Proclamation. Counter-intuitively, Bill Clinton was one of best presidents for white people in the 20th century.

Additionally, even dissidents can fall into the old Cold War mentality of judging candidates by their economic or foreign policy pretensions. The Democrats are the commie doves, while the Republicans are the capitalist hawks. Even at this late date, many dissidents still cling to their libertarian or conservative priors. Instead of thinking about the outcome that serves their people, they think about the outcome that serves their narrow interests as individuals. Group think is hard.

Then there is the bitter loser problem. Many people circulating on this side of the great divide were sure Trump was Hitler. When he turned out to be just another guy, they took it personally, as they personalize everything. Trump did not just get beat by the system, he deliberately finked on them. The only way to assuage their hurt feelings is to show that mean old orange man they are super mad at him. Richard Spencer, for example, is now “Bobbin for Biden” in this election.

If you can stand outside it all and just look at the two outcomes in terms of how they would serve the interests of dissidents, the choice is not so clear. The vinegar club that is now sour on Trump are right that four more years of Trump are unlikely to result in positive changes for our side. Trump is not an ideologue and he tends to personalize everything, so four more years means four more years of squabbling with illiterates on the cable chat shows, but not much else.

On the other hand, when the Left wins, they tend to make good use of their opportunity, so Biden winning means they will move the state in their direction. The most likely outcome of a Biden term in office is an orgy of globalism. Trump has caused the drive to global corporatism to stall, so the usual suspects will be eager to make up for lost time once the addle-minded Biden is in office. On the other hand, the culture war probably goes on hiatus, as it will no longer be useful to them.

Neither of those outcomes are objectively good or bad for dissidents. If you are a fatalist, then the Biden acceleration will be appealing. If you are in the camp that thinks buying time is important, then the Trump interregnum is appealing. Both of those positions miss the point. This is a culture war, so public policy only matters in regards to how it opens the culture to our arguments. In either case, the nature of the culture war changes very little, so both outcomes are a net neutral.

Now, a Trump loss would open one important avenue for us. It would reveal to those rank and file white people that the demographics have now changed and those changes are permanent. That silent majority they were sure exists is a myth. Instead, whites are effectively a minority population. Imagine Trump getting 70% of the white vote but losing the election. All that groveling to non-whites would suddenly become a bitter rebuke of the old civic nationalist politics.

On the other hand, Trump losing would be cast by Republicans as a rejection of racist and evil politics of the past. Both faces of the political class are ready for a campaign to convince those disappointed whites that the reason Trump lost is they foolishly supported a racist. Their path to redemption is to wash the feet harder. The ease with which these people convinced so many to wear their underwear on their head to ward off the virus should be a warning to the acceleration crowd.

The “win by losing” theory is like libertarianism, in that it sounds good in the classroom, but it is nonsense in the field. The fact is, Trump winning would give us more riots and mayhem, so the white awakening would probably accelerate. The fact is, more white people have become racially aware in the last three months than in the last three years, despite Trump’s groveling. There are much larger forces at work than one election, so the outcome is just one small data point.

That said, winning breeds confidence. Most of the people ready to vote Trump are more ready for the trip over the great divide than at any point in their lives. That transformation will continue, regardless of the outcome, but a little confidence never hurts. In a way, mobilizing to put Trump over the top is good practice for the sorts of politics that lie in the near future for these white people. They may not be ready to know it yet, but their pro-Trump activity is their first step into the future.

Greg Johnson pointed out, that small minds focus on people, while average minds focus on events. Great minds focus on ideas, but it is the combination of these that provides the full picture. Most of the partisan squabbling on-line about the election will be among one of those first two camps. What will matter is how this election serves the promotion of racial awareness among whites. More specifically, how will the outcome give whites confidence to look at the world racially?

The critical issue in this election is in how dissidents use it to promote their interests in their daily lives. Passing around this story to whites still trapped in the fog of old politics is more helpful than mocking those calling Harris a radical or a commie. Instead of mocking those “boomers’ trapped in the past, offer them a way forward by using this election to normalize racial politics for them. That’s the gift Biden gave us by picking Kamala Harris as his running mate.

Ultimately, the result of this election will matter very little. The demographic die is cast and there is no voting our way out of it. America will soon function like Spain after the fall of the Roman Empire. What will matter in this election and for the remaining elections is how dissidents use these opportunities to awaken white people to the reality of this age and provide a positive way forward into white identity politics. It is not about the man or the event, but about us and our ideas.

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270 thoughts on “Gaming The Election

  1. I need 4 more years to prepare. And I really want to see all the news “journalists” cry again. So an easy choice for me even if my vote is meaningless in my state.

    • Prepare for what? People have been saying similar stuff for a very long time.

      The time will never be right. If you think you need to do something, take action now.

      • Selling my house early next year. Job stuff going on that could be better… Looking at places in WV next week. Life doesn’t always cooperate with my plans.

        • My brother doing same regarding WV. I’ve read here that Harpers Ferry is welcoming, but have you found other options that afford more land?

          • Multiple federal agencies have moved/enlarged training operations to Harper’s Ferry in the last decade or so. That brings a large cadre of people with decent stable incomes and may be part of what is driving prices up in that area.

          • Found a nice little place, 8 acres, pond, woods $270k Mineral County, WV. My agent said same place Jefferson County, further east, around $400 – $450k.

          • You’ll have plenty of opportunity to redpill g-men in those two.

            Martinsburg and everything east is to WVA as Missoula is to Montana, only more so.

          • Zman I think West Virginia is your best bet of places not too far from where you are to redpill people.

          • You’d be surprised the number of people living in those areas that commute to Northern Virginia for work – construction guys, teachers, IT workers, etc.

            Route 9 on the Virginia side is getting widened to accommodate the traffic. The WV side of Route 9 is already as wide as the Autoban.

            The Imperial Capital engulfs all.

          • Zman, I found your place.

            In the Poconos, 30 miles west of the Jersey line, on I-8O, south of Wilkes-Barre.

            The towns of White Haven and Freeland- near Lake Harmony, to boot.

            Or, follow the 50 from Pennsylvania’s Blue Ball, to Intercourse, to Climax, WV.

          • Harper’s Ferry has had convenient Amtrack to DC area for decades. Yet another example of government subsidy. In this case, it makes for a pleasant place to live and a leisurely commute for those who can afford it. Local housing prices are priced accordingly.

          • I ask for advice from the Wise Ones who comment here.

            What do you think about a move from northern VA to Durham / Chapel Hill, NC?

            Yes, they are both infested with lefties thanks to the presence of Duke and UNC. But the universities do offer cultural events if people ever decide to stop acting like muzzled kennel dogs. Besides, the area could hardly be more Blue than the Washington penumbra.

            As I am getting on in years, I need access to top medical care, which is clearly available there.

            What say you?

          • Seems you could get about the same thing in Lexington, KY without as much noxious and nauseating Leftism.

          • I personally don’t see much point in that if you want to get away from lefties. Unless you just want out of VA, which I could currently understand. I lived in NOVA for 30 years.
            You can get some university type culture in western VA but the med community may not be up to your standard. Countryside is beautiful though.
            Sometimes big issues to consider (beyond red/blue, culture/art, med facilities) are proximity of family, climate, and geography. I assume you are retired.

          • There’s a fair amount of obnoxious Leftism in Lexington (and a lot of homos) compared to the rest of KY, but it is probably better than the area around Duke and UNC. The jogger problem is tolerable in Lexington. My advice would be to live in any of the surrounding counties to avoid the POZ day to day, but still be close enough to the hospitals in Lexington.

          • Could you elaborate on that? I’m looking at both the far western portion of MT, as well as possibly somewhere down south, as I am behind enemy lines in the Northeast. As for “Z’s” column, I have mixed feelings. On the one hand I disagree that Clinton was a great president for white people. Take for example immigration and the browning of America. It was going on before he came to town, but it wasn’t that bad, but he kicked it into high gear. Just look at all the damage a woman named Doris Meisner did while she was in… Read more »

          • People will never wake up unless jostled. Four more years of slumber accomplishes nothing for the 14 Words.

          • I dont quite understand your reply Meme. We are going to get four more years of SOMETHING unless the world ends. Which alternative to you gives us the best outcome as Whites, a Trump victory or loss? Please explain.

          • Trump winning means the left continues the mandatory facediapers, de facto ubi, and escalating the race war. All the white middle class will be remote working and their kids remote learning. The left is breaking our people’s codependency on atomistic urbanism to spite Orange Man: dont interrupt the enemy making a mistake. Every week the facediapering and urban race wars persists is thousands of white kids out of public schools and into homeschooling, thousands moving out of the city into areas we can meet and talk, and tens of thousands making the mental, moral leap into the river (even if… Read more »

          • totally agreed. a Trump win is 4 years of some action but big escalation at the very least. for example, people wail about only 300-500 miles of wall being built, well Biden-Kamala want to tear even those few miles down; whoever the Democrat-opposers are in 2024, they will have to favor the wall somehow, or else lose totally dozens of millions of votes.

            either that, or official disenfranchisement/segregation/otherization of pro-whites and pro-Christians will eventually have to happen so the elites rule, and civil war can only result from that. think Hunger Games.

          • Yeah, couldn’t agree more. The Left has spent decades taking over the public schools, the workplace, the cities, the universities, even the churches, and they blew it all up in a 6 month tantrum over an election that probably wouldn’t have mattered much anyway. Let’s make sure they have plenty of ammo to keep blowing their limbs off with. It’s especially important to make sure the universities and public schools never recover from this. We need to provide alternatives to both that prepare young people for life in the real world as civilized human beings. Setting up our own accreditation… Read more »

        • It’s a bit different than four years ago. I’m seeing people who I’d assumed were lost causes buying guns and creating contingency plans.

          • My larger social circle contains liberals that just bought guns, signed up for weapons training, and are buying land in rural areas.
            They are not alone, in fact there has been a tidal wave of such actions in the NorthEast, and these were people who despised the NRA just 6 months ago.
            Regardless of a Trump win, millions of whites have seen the rioting, anarchy, and big city disfunction and determined that buying guns and rural property is a necessary choice. I’m not exaggerating when I say millions of whites, either.

          • Ugh. Liberals moving to rural areas. I have enough trouble stomaching the one couple nearby that’s had a big hand-painted sign in their yard reading “Ain’t nobody free until everybody’s free” ever since George Floyd died of an overdose.

          • Dave,

            And when those liberal whites fill into smaller towns and rural areas we need to be wary. If they can be convinced to let go of their former convictions (and I have witnessed this happen) and made to embrace the more traditional values of rural white America.. then great. If they show up and demand “change” and try to reestablish what they fled (also have seen this) they must be met with scorn and righteous hatred.

          • They think they’re civilizing the hicks. Even the conservatives, decent people, at least pine for more places to eat and shop.

            In other words, good luck convincing born and raised consumers to give it up.

          • They won’t. They’ll pull the same shit that they’ve done in every new place that they’ve moved into.

            They run from blacks and then bitch at their White neighbors for being racists.

            I’ve seen it with my own eyes multiple times. Hell, I live it every day.

          • Paintersforum,

            I know exactly what you are talking about. Point out that the “educating” civilizers are condescending to the “rubes”.

            The other problem is more difficult. Rural folks I’ve dealt with often have a mixed bemused/repulsed and fascinated/envious reaction to the city folk. I can only do my best to paint a picture of the wreckage that is coming for them once they surrender to that fascination.

            I hear you, but we can never resign to giving up in any arena we can have some small effect.

          • Citizen,

            Yup. Most won’t convert but some do. Agreed. So shall we not try? Do what we can to convert those that can be converted. Dissuade those that can’t be? What do you suggest?

          • Their “luciferian wisdom” tells them “we are all the same, why discriminate?” Their genes are saying “run to your people, that’s where you’ll be safe.”
            Jews need to pay dearly for what they have done to minds of normies, something worse than death.

          • Speaking of guns, something that needs to be considered is gun rights. A Democrat controlled Congress will at some point pass sweeping gun control legislation and a Democrat president would sign it into law. The USSC with five Democrat appointed justices will not overturn such a law. If there is any value in gun rights lasting longer, you want 1) a GOP President and Senate appointing justices; 2) a GOP majority or near majority in Congress that won’t pass gun control legislation; and 3) a Republican president who can veto gun control legislation. Whoever wishes for Biden or any other… Read more »

          • We already have more liberal whites with guns than we need. Here in Colofornia we call them conservatives. And now I have to leave this beautiful state because the gaypedo governor and his nice liberal white hunting and fishing pussies run the now fully blue state from Denver. Oh and all those gun lovers love guns as long as the mags don’t hold more than 15 rounds and you dont want to order any “parts that may be used for an assault weapon”. So the civwar best be a short affair. If they are scared and now have muh guns,… Read more »

          • Initially (and just had this dialog with a guy decamping Chi-town for where I am in SC) is advise them first and foremost to never say “that’s not the way we did it back in_______). Else they’ll get a painful kick to their nether regions.
            From that point any deprogramming and potential redpilling can commence.

          • I know what you mean, I just don’t want to do it at the expense of my home and my way of life. I love farms and open space, building a fence without some zoning officer asking if I have a permit, shooting targets in the back field without the neighbor complaining, walking the property taking stock of the flora and fauna, etc. The fact is most of the relocators would be happier living an urban life. Even the burbs are a poor substitute I’d bet many would eschew in favor of cities if the cities weren’t destroyed. Of course… Read more »

          • You seem to forget “Take the guns first. Due process later” Remind me who said that?

          • We can try. But don’t give an inch. Let them know right up front how things are done in your area.

            Believe me, don’t play nice with these people. They love getting involved in local govt and local school boards, and they push their agenda hard once in.

          • Biden wins this country is over: the Left will finish crushing the middle class & turn us all into a bunch of serfs while instituting gun confiscation. They will “fix” it by making sure they never lose another presidential election (“the fix” was supposed to be in for HRC which is why – when she lost – they are so enraged 4yrs later. The “Black Jesus” was their watershed moment meaning eternal, perpetual rule.
            Get out on Nov 3rd & vote like your life depends on it cuz it does.

          • Trump says and does a lot of stupid shit. None of us are happy with Trump. But “look at the two outcomes in terms of how they would serve the interests of dissidents.” When your choices are Trump vs. Biden or Republicans vs. Democrats, the Trump/Republican option is better.
            If a sweeping gun control bill comes across the President’s desk, who would you rather make that decision? Trump or Biden? Would you rather see the 2nd Amendment before a Supreme Court with Trump’s nominee who replaced Ginsburg or one with Biden’s nominee who replaced Thomas?

          • Yes. Containing them to the cities they are in would be the best option. The number of good folks we would garner will probably be small in comparison to the “good” whites we will get.

            I’m talking realpolitik here though. You can’t stop them with road blocks and suppressing fire so what do you do in the real wotld… right now? Encourage those that can be compatable and unwelcome mat the hell out of those that you can’t. We must live in reality and do what we can within that framework.

          • Yes Stranger! Work with the clay at hand. Cast out the as bad potter’s clay what is soiled beyond use.

          • Agreed Citizen. And hearing the damnation from “one of their own” (another transplant, refugee, call it what you like) should help in multiple ways. The offender can’t blame the attack on the “stupid yokels here”. You’ll have mercilessly helped to stop the creeping poz. And you may even garner goodwill from the locals. Do what we can in every realistic action no matter how small.

            I like your no prisoners approach.

          • I want to make the cities livable again so people go back, because that’s where they’d prefer to live. Yes, that’s crazy talk, but we’re living in times when impossible things are possible, and it’s not half as crazy as what tbtp are saying. Even if my home wasn’t threatened by flight from the cities I’d still want that, because there’s no society without cities. Even the Mongols had a capital. It wouldn’t surprise me if it’s all part of a scheme to take down America. Certainly looks that way. The opportunity is there, too, and it’ll probably only get… Read more »

          • When they get smoked in local elections they cry about how unfair it is, make a scene, practically demand you let them rule you— and get smoked in the next election 🙂

            The real dangers are the county seats and local sellouts. They open the back door.

          • It’s also the weak-spined “country folk” who live in these “destinations” who allow this behaviour (especially by the women!) by not giving a firm “NO”… both in local politics, schooling, and heck, even parking.

            Not saying “NO” immediately and swiftly is equal to condoning it.

            It is the same in the classroom with children.

            The psychology is not difficult.

          • Why do you care if liberals are buying guns? They will still vote for politicians who want to take away their guns. When they move to the smaller towns they will vote and work to turn them into the liberal dystopia of a big blue city.

            We lost the cultural war. If you want to be viewed as a good, smart person you need to be a Democrat and in favor of vibrancy even if you don’t want it in your neighborhood.

          • Painterforum,

            Racial self-awareness. Organize. Reclaim the hamlets. Expand. Survive. Retake or build cities. That’s when we get to have cities again IMHO.

          • Sounds good to me. End the retreat, that’s all I’m saying. Now is the time.

        • So, I guess those mocking “more time to prepare” already have moved to the country, have warehouses full of food, stacks of guns and ammo, excellent off-grid comms, lots of animals and gardens, have taken small-unit militia training, and have organized their area of operations?

          If not, YOU NEED MORE TIME.

          • Ding ding ding we have a winner…My experience has been those who want to burn it all down are the least ones to be able to survive it…I’ve also found its always the single guys that advocate for that and the ones that are married with kids to be advocating to be preparing and building…

          • You could say the same about every soldier fresh out of boot camp: green, eager for action, eager to prove himself. Probably young and single, too.

            Those guys are an asset if focused towards an objective.

          • I wrote TL;DR deserving reply but the internet ate it. Dimestore version: if the cultural war in the US is really lost think of eastern europe not west virginia. We talk about South Africa and Rhodesia but look what really happens there. There are murders but total extermination isn’t realistic… easier for conquerors just to make you unhappy till you leave for somewhere more amenable. In a pinch everyone realizes living with their distant cousins (aka: coethnics in a different country) is probably better than being a very visible member of a hated minority. SHTF would really be an international… Read more »

          • I’ll be the first to say it. I’m not ready. I’ve got a few guns and am trying to get more ammo as supplies and finances allow. I’m only just starting to get back in shape. I don’t have enough food and water for more than a few days. I don’t trust my neighbors at all. Most are white cucks and Pajeets. So I have some self-interest here.

          • This is an often ignored aspect of all this stuff. Every civil war is an international war to some extent. People have largely forgotten that the Confederacy initially had hopes that Britain and France would join it. Had this happened the North would have been crushed. To paraphrase the guy in the movie Looper – I’m from the future, learn Russian.

        • This. Takes. Time.
          Some of us have already begun.
          But many more white will become aware when the post-election violence comes to their door. We already have millions of new white gun owners, who NOW get it based on what happened in Portland, Minneapolis, Chicago, NY, etc.

        • Join the local GOP. Go to church. Join local clubs. Go have dinner with your aligned neighbors. Everyone talks about politics all the time these days: make friends and influence people. Study and practice good rhetoric, be convincing, and win some hearts and minds. Encourage your male aquaintences new and old to buy and use guns, and your female aquaintences to buy and use sewing machines.

        • Pay off the debt, dump the junk.

          As few chains as possible, no matter where you are.

          Can’t move a mess fast.

          Make your checklist, get started today, now- pretend you’re getting ready to move and make this your hobby.

          As to the debt, big numbers will break your heart and mind- so break them down into bite-sized weekly paychecks. Now you know how many weeks you’ll be in jail, and the season when you buy your freedom.

        • I moved to a saner place to be with people like me. I am creating networks of connections and have been doing that for a long time. I am building and diversifying my wealth to have at least some security in case there is an attempt to unperson me.

          I have seen people talking about “needing” more time for decades. It’s stupid. You already had a lot of time. Stop making excuses!

      • People have been saying it for years, but recent events have shown many people that this is probably not a drill. I’m out after November first, but I’d like four more years of a white president so I can *really* head into the sticks.

        • Your strategy is what will lead to our annhilation.

          cede academia…cede the media… cede control of the corporations. Now you are going to hide away in the country where the left will be able to target and destroy.

          Most of you on this thread are cowards who know only retreat and surrender, and never learn from the failure of all your previous retreats. This retreat will be the final one, then you cowards will be wanting to expatriate next.

          After this shameful thread, I’m even more convinced the security blanket must be ripped off as fast as possible

          • “cede academia…cede the media… cede control of the corporations”

            [two paragraphs later]

            ”I’m even more convinced the security blanket must be ripped off as fast as possible”

            Cowards want to cede all these important areas. So let’s bravely cede the entire political system too!

            I’m still waiting for one of these accelerationist “plans” that doesn’t include this sequence

            Step 1) Realize everything is bad
            Step 2) Become galaxy brained

            Step n-2 ) Purposely make everything worse
            Step n-1 ) ?
            Step n ) Everything gets better!

          • Cowards say shit like that and hide behind a lame ass name like toasty. Go back to suckin dick at the bus station, your full time job.

      • Not everybody has big money to get prepared right now. Not everybody can sell their house in the pozz zones right this second. We need time.

        • Backwoods,

          Mostly right. Need, no. Want, yes. Helpful, more so.

          Every day some little action. A new skill. A debt paid off in part. A decent friendship made or nurtured. A little piece of wisdom garnered. A plan worked on.

          The practice of constantly doing is it’s own skill that fosters readiness.

      • Hun, “The time will never be right” but it may be better for the individual with a steady hand at improving and preparing. Personally I am more prepared to weather a storm than last year and more so each successive year. Don’t discourage Our People from the ever increasing task of hardening their hearts and abilities, please. You are correct in your statement, but unless you believe the great watershed moment is this very hour (Deus vult) then every hour we spend preparing adds to the armory of the whole as individuals. I agree, en masse action would be preferable… Read more »

      • thing is, people can’t agree on what they think they need, whether now or in the future. specially whites, specially democratic/north sea whites. for example, i think America has needed a nationalist party since TR more or less, to replace the GOP. but 80-100 million whites still preferred to vote GOP last election, and several other millions for the Dems that hate whites even more. so either most people are okay with all this, or they think they aren’t but they legit haven’t got prepared – perhaps because of time or lack of money or will, but it happens. most… Read more »

    • Me too.

      Good luck finding any .223 or 9mm. Even 7.62×51 is hard to find, and damned expensive. That stuff is gone, gone, gone. 2-4 month backorders, if you can even find a place that will take your order.

      Much worse than post 9/11. The sheeple are terrified, and gunning up.

  2. I think a Trump win is marginally better for Whites. Unfortunately, my state is a lock for Biden. But we are way past voting our way out of this.

  3. Spot on, Mr. Zman. I’ve never voted. Many disagree with me and there’s people who have salient points on why I’m wrong in doing my democratic duty but they can’t shake me from my Tolstoy-ian view that we’re all just bits of flotsam and jetsam bobbing along in the tide and a vote for or against this corrupt system doesn’t matter one iota. What matters are the ideas that cause the regimes to topple. The printing press utterly destroyed the powers that be of the time who had been hanging on since the Middle Ages. The internet is going to… Read more »

    • Tolstoy was a literal and figurative [homosexual]. Dostoevsky and Solzhenitsyn were /our literary titans/

      Their emphasis on the need for national and individual spiritual struggle is what we need. Plus they were very up on the JQ.

  4. Okay so I am voting again for Trump.
    Now what do I do to effect the rule of kritarchs and oligarchs?
    Everything is a rule by our governor’s edicts which we all know is not law and in a normal America wouldn’t hold up.

    Insurrections by every individual is what we need but I fear we ain’t got it in us. Still an interregnum is preferable to the increased madness that is coming.

    • “Everything is a rule by our governor’s edicts which we all know is not law and in a normal America wouldn’t hold up.” That’s true enough, but there’s plenty of wisdom in being slow to anger and letting things play out. State governor’s are using their tyrannical powers foolishly, but it doesn’t follow that we should start a shooting war. There is a lot of tactical brilliance on letting them own their record over the next few years and then voting them out. Right now, most people are focused on the virus, but by the end of the year will… Read more »

    • Whites will have to be forced to act in their own interests. They will not do so on their own. Violence against them will leave Whites no other choice than to act in their own interests. We see that now with Whites fleeing the cities in the wake of their ethnic cleansing..

      • I kind of agree. I’m looking for that one “incident”: the Boston Massacre, the sinking of the Lusitania, the assassination of the Archduke. I figure if joggers can blow the brains out of a 5 year old white kid in broad daylight we now have a real problem. When commies and their Nazi jogger comrades burn Ronald McDonald House with dying children and their families inside we really have a problem. Yet I seem to think so small screw up will ignite the whole thing. At least I hope so because with the enemy of white people controlling education, media… Read more »

          • Name,

            Go easy on Hoagie. I’ve watched him change slowly over his posts and move away from civ-nattery. That’s a hard thing for an older person to do. I’m not nearly his age and it’s been a slog coming across the great divide.

            And yes, a single event can start an avalanche.

          • I was raised and conditioned in the shitlib culture. Redpilling was a many-years long process. There was certainly a cumulative aspect to it, with many small events and several bigger ones. I call them ‘redpill moments’. I expect that everyone has that one event that pushes them over the line, but I doubt there is anyone who does who is not prepared beforehand with a sequence of redpill moments, each making them successively more susceptible to awakening. Trump is a redpill moment generator, a resonance frequency for exciting insanity among the multicultural imperialists. He slowed down the dissolution but failed… Read more »

          • Agreed. There needs to, and will be, a great accounting.

            We will not always suffer the witch to live.

        • It will all depend on whites waking up to that that the law no longer works and if you want justice then you have to be in a Community that you have the power to administer it…White people still believe that there is law and order and once the are disabused of that notion then change will happen…

      • The violence against (bad) whites is there in spades but the choke point is the propagandist media blocking that information to whites. How to break through that leftist media blockade is the question.

  5. Winning does breed confidence, and so does your enemy showing impotence. People are more willing to stick out their necks if they realize their enemy is a paper tiger. Our academic institutions are running around screaming because of a virus that poses essentially no danger to youth. The media, study after study shows, are becoming bubbles that just talk to themselves. The CIA has launched a laughable attempt at regime change in Belarus that no one is falling for. How many times are people going to roll their eyes before they tune out entirely and seek alternatives? This is going… Read more »

    • The problem is that as the Empire weakens and fails with such asinine outrages as the Color Revolution in Belarus, it will internalize its evil and oppression and direct the venom internally. It is very necessary to ostracize any White who joins the military or participates in this police state as an employee.

      • Bad idea Jack: Antagonize the people that have the guns, and more importantly, societal authority to so you harm. Better idea: Isolate (non-violently) those among them that participate in activities that target Your People. I suggest the book “The Squad” for your consideration.

        Calculating deftness beats ham-fisted rhetoric most of the time. We must be wise.

        • The Michael Collins book? Thanks for the recommendation but I don’t see it as analogous as both the IRA and British Army were uniformly of their own people. Have you or someone close to you been in the military or served in government is the last ten years? They both have been so pozzed for so long they are basically no different that public schools, and just like them are near a tipping point of vibrant-dominated.

          • Jack, Quite a few in the military and law enforcement and the majority aren’t pozzed in my observations. Nothing statistical, just obs. Yes, The Squad. Not in dealing with the Brits. How Collins managed the ethnic Irish police forces, particularly the Dublin Constabulary. Examples were made of police that were working hand in hand with the British. Those police that kept out of the political enforcement were protected and many became integral to the effort as informers. Collins encouraged them to deal with street crime and regular criminal activity. It came to the point where he could bicycle through a… Read more »

          • Quite a few in the military and law enforcement and the majority aren’t pozzed in my observations. 

            Has this been recently? My observation of late is quite the opposite. Even NCO’s, always the backbone of the military, are cashing out if they haven’t already. Cops worth a damn are taking early retirement. What remains, at least from recent experience, is not on our side for the most part. I frankly have not seen what you have if your observation was recent.

          • You think the British are analagous to the Western elite?

            If the British had wanted to wipe the Irish out what would the Irish have done about it?
            The present situation involves an elite that boasts about exterminating entire nations.

          • Some recent and certainly anecdotal. More in the last 15 years and, now that you mention it quite a few that have retired or separated from service though those didnt cite the poz as the reason specifically. (They did gripe about it though). Dunno, you may be on to something. Still, most of them are patriotic (if misguided) kids and not commissars. Isolate them with no outreach and you give up assets unnecessarily IMO.

          • Eudaimonia. I’m no expert by any stretch on the Irish struggle. There are others here that are, but nothing exists in a vacuum. Optics are important. Reality is yes, the UK could have crushed the Irish. Hell, they could have holocausted them easily after the Great War and the troops returned. In reality there actions were feeble compared to what their capabilities were. Dont forget a large number of the British to include British civil administrators became supportive if Irish independence and the eyes of America on the situation probably did more to stay the wrathful hand of the English… Read more »

  6. A Trump win means four more years of the Breitbart set blathering about DR3 and thinking they’re invincible. A loss would be their Stalingrad.

    Perhaps the light bulb goes on for a few of them? Perhaps money begins flowing our way as a result?

    • They will cuck harder because if Biden wins the violence against Whites tamps down and returns to a slow boil. The compliance with masks and lock downs brought this home to me. The only reason to vote, and for Trump, is the State will become even more violent against Whites and force them to act in their own interests.

      • Or, perhaps, emboldened by having seen off the Bad Orange Man, the violence against whites and white institutions increases.

        • If I thought that would happen, I wouldn’t vote. But the pattern has been constant: let us slowly kill you, and we will not step it up.

      • Wrong. President Harris is non White. Like Tim Scott it’s back to blood. President Harris that clapped out old whore will back the AOC wing to kill the Boer. Whites are the Boer.
        there is a massive civil war in the form party. Blm etc want a final solution to Whitey. The old corrupt whites like Pelosi want more graft. Who is the strong horse?

        • Harris makes a point to suck up to Whites and her career has been doing just that. She is a chameleon, and if she is told to tamp it down, and she will be told to tamp it down, she will tamp it down. The slow things such as AFFH are the most insidious. Given a choice between pozzed urbanites fleeing to your town or violent vibrants being brought their via AFFH and as refugees, which is better in the long run? There eventually will be a crackdown on Boers, and it could be as early as this autumn if… Read more »

      • I disagree that a Biden win tamps down violence against whites. On the contrary, such an outcome will only embolden Burn, Loot, Murder and ANTIFAG.

        • The controllable part will be tamped down, and much is orchestrated, if Biden wins. But the uncontrollable will continue. Also, the intention is to unleash mass violence on Whites once the Left is secure enough to do it. They have to get into place, and lull Whites to sleep before they attempt genocide.

    • A Trump win means 4 more years where pedophiles like Epstein/Maxwell have to watch their backs. Would Epstein get arrested if president was Hillary? A Trump win means less migrants. A Trump win means 2nd amendment gets defended four more years. A Trump win means no war with Russia, China etc. Trump learned a few thing while he was president, he’ll be harder to manage time time around, maybe he’ll even attack some of those very rich & powerful enemies that he mentioned. Also, there is the possibility of secession with Trump president again. If Biden wins, it’s over, there… Read more »

      • The “no war” thing is nor small thing and not for lack of effort from the hawks. It’s also an illustration that at the very least he can lock the leviathan in place and nibble around its edges.

  7. How are things in Lagos, Z?

    The news cycle up here is focused mainly on Portland, Seattle and Chicago. But not a word out of Baltimore. Did Cornelius Rye and his homies burn the place down and not tell anyone?

    • I’m in Z’s Lagos, right in the middle, and surprisingly it is not all that out-of-normal. Sure, there was the Columbus statue torn down by the waterfront, and then a few marches here and there, but really nothing too violent (except that big gas explosion up the street). We are on track for a normal year of daily homicides, so I suppose that keeps the people happy. One thing I do find is that in my business I come across a lot of new people moving into the city: young 20-somethings coming here from New York, and almost all of… Read more »

    • Alrite, sorry if this sounds stupid and I’m fairly new here, but does Z actually live in Lagos, Nigeria? Or is Lagos some kind of euphemism for something else?
      I can’t figure it out…

  8. It’s a really hard choice because it is all going downhill and fast. If Trump’s elected then the cities burn, if Bidens elected they’re definitely coming for the guns. It looks to me like everything’s going hot in the next 6 months no matter what happens

    Here’s another under-reported story. A derecho (??) made its way through the Midwest destroying 1/3 of the crops. I believe 600,000 people are still without power 4 days later. Seems like that could be significant coming up here

    • Arguing to vote against Trump because ‘otherwise cities will burn’ sticks in my craw.
      a. I don’t like threats or intimidation and if somebody wants to get stupid about it, I am prepared to fight.
      b. It will be the shitlib cities burning… and I am just peachy with that.

        • I agree. The more cities burn the more join our team. Let them all burn as long as Trump has the power to refuse fed money to rebuild I’m all for it.

        • Actually, the shitlib cities burning is one of the worst things for us. One of the major factors turning TX blue is the influx of people from California escaping the consequences of their voting. But shitlibs are stupid and vote for the same exact stuff in their new locale. The shitlibs fleeing NYC are bringing their progressive Jewish politics to wherever they move and they are allowed to not only vote, but to lobby in the place they moved to last week. Bottom line is burning cities brings progressives to formerly normal white areas. It’s like having a college open… Read more »

          • Tars Yup. Agreed. I’ve seen both conversions as well as leftie agitators show up. We can’t do anything about the cities burning and the resultant exodus that creates… but we can effect the welcome/unwelcome aspect in Our small communities. I had to go through a stress test as I’ve transitioned to become part of a smaller more traditional part of America. Beating and surpassing the stereotyped expectations of the locals in regards to coming from a liberal state was easy (with one exception). I’ve felt nothing but welcome since, though I imagine it would not be so welcoming of I’d… Read more »

          • Now imagine what your reception would be like if you tried to move with them cracking down on any Dissidents…That’s why I say get moved now before we start taking fire…

          • Lineman,

            Agreed Brother. That’s why I’ve not been posting of late. Busy with plans, implementations, and getting the wheel moving faster. Managed to carve out some much needed mental/spiritual rest and a small part in a charity mission that focuses on Our People. The timeline for my personal arrangements has grown shorter and I’m further along. Have met the point where I can do it now but every day adds to my larder. I am ready but my readiness grows more robust by the day.

        • Only downside to the cites burning is that white flight comes with it’s own onus of “good” whites taking their poison with them to rural small town America. The challenge is when they show up to demand their conversion or make them unwelcome. Otherwise, I’m fine with the hives burning themselves down.

        • Karl,

          Are there any cities that aren’t Dem at this point? Just curious. I’m of the belief that we dont have or get to have any cities.

    • …roughly 4 of every 10 acres of corn and soybeans in Iowa were impacted by a fast-moving, intense windstorm, said Gov. Kim Reynolds on Tuesday. Radio Iowa quoted the governor as saying the estimate of 10 million acres affected And yet today: …farmers are looking at their largest corn crop ever and a near-record soybean harvest, with huge stockpiles of both crops persisting into fall 2021, said the USDA on Wednesday. Some 2.8 billion bushels of corn — a nearly 10-week supply — would remain in the bin when next year’s crop is mature, the largest carry-over since the Reagan era. There’s something… Read more »

  9. The fact is, Trump winning would give us more riots and mayhem, so the white awakening would probably accelerate. The fact is, more white people have become racially aware in the last three months than in the last three years, despite Trump’s groveling. There are much larger forces at work than one election, so the outcome is just one small data point. This is exactly correct. If Trump wins, the Left will not recognize the results (again), and the fraudulent American political system will be put on full display again. A few more White people will wake up. The riots… Read more »

    • The fact is, more white people have become racially aware in the last three months than in the last three years

      A strong argument can be made Whites have become more racially aware than in the last three decades. But it is possible with a Stacy Abrams SoS and Corey Booker AG, the awareness would accelerate just as much, if not more.

      • I disagree totally. Between now and November 3 things will get even uglier. They won’t be widely televised, of course, but in the effected cities what is happening will be known.

    • I agree. A Trump win will have every lefties hair on fire and firecrackers up their arse. If you think they are insane now, just wait. That horror show could bring a great awakening for those with any guts.

  10. Winning breeds winning. Look at how hard our enemies fight for every issue, no matter how small or frivolous. Look at how quickly our side argues that “this is not the hill to die on.”
    True, we won’t vote our way out of this, but the vote is one tool. Why dismiss it when the enemy takes it so seriously.

    • Does winning breed winning? What did Reagan’s victories do for Today’s 25 year old white guy who was born after Reagan left office?

          • Trump winning will set off Progressive Whites and their POC pets. It’ll be a never-ending spew about racism and White privilege. This will do more to convince normies that they have no place in a future America run by these people.

            We need numbers to help that future 25-year-old. Trump winning will do more for that than Biden winning. If Biden wins, the Dems will want to tone down the rhetoric because they’re in charge.

          • This is where I am. Americans endured the freaking Covid over-reaction but only responded to the riots because the threat of violence was more apparent.

          • Again, I ask you Meme… what do you do, make, advise or try at to implement anything in this struggle?

            Does defeatism and hopelessness strike your soul as a virtue?

            I was growing frustrated with you Brother, now I am simply reaching a level of deep pity.

            Not trying to pick on you, I have always kind of been partial to those odd fish that swim against the school… but at least they are swimming in a direction. You seem content to float belly up on the surface and emit little waves of despair.

            I dont get you.

    • This is not the hill to die on – and then one day there are no other hills other than the one upon which you find yourslef – then you have no choice as to which hill to die on.
      Agreed we won’t vote ourselves out of this, but winning an election might at least allow for a few more hills from which to choose.

    • More offense less defense in the culture war. Time to stop acting like losers. Momentum is shifting decisively. Heck I’m even seeing it locally.

  11. Years ago I met a doctor who worked at an inpatient clinic for poorer/indigent/public psych ward cases. He said if he wasn’t sure whether or not someone would be dangerous to the staff (a lot of them female and slight) he would interview the crazy individual with a couple of big orderlies present, and see if the guy was goadable (sic) or had a short fuse, the thinking being, “If he’ll lunge for me when I ask about his mother with two big goons present, he’ll definitely give some petite nurse the bum’s rush.” That’s basically why I’m voting for… Read more »

  12. The last two nights I’ve waited to see if Tucker would report on 5 year old Cannon Hinnant, using the obvious points about hypocrisy from the mainstream media and their attacks on Whites. He did not, and that says a lot about who Tucker truly is. He just won’t cross that line. Of course Trump and the GOP are silent as well. They don’t want to do anything that might damage getting the black vote they’re delusionally courting.

    • That boy’s murder screams for righteous retribution and as for our right wing mouth organs, speaking out and demanding the left be held accountable.

      • Perhaps small stickers with the poor lad’s name on them and the word “Remember” posted everywhere would be a starting place for those that want to strike a blow?

    • Matt Walsh has been all over it. His transformation has been shocking and I am surprised Ben Shapiro has allowed it. Walsh went from making excuses for Ahmaud Arbery walking through homes under construction to calling out anti-white racism in the media since the George Floyd riots. I don’t want to give him too much credit, but there was a profound shift here. They obviously got a sign their audience was going to abandon them if Walsh kept up the good white shtick.

    • A friend just told me Rush Limbaugh’s guest host yesterday was talking about Cannon Hinnant throughout the broadcast. This story is spreading. On twitter it’s trending and looks like it’s growing. How long can Tucker, Hannity, et al stay silent?

  13. Coastal blue states are already threatening to secede if Trump wins. This is reason enough to vote for Trump. It’s unlikely any states will proceed beyond political theater, but it’s important to discuss these ideas with normies. The US will be just fine without the blue states, and the world will be just fine with out the US if the country dissolves into multiple separate nations. As a bonus we will get another four years of violent protests in the blue cities in blue states, like Portland, Minneapolis, and Seattle. I love watching those cities burn and listening to the… Read more »

    • I have liberal family and friends in Seattle and Portland. I love them but they fVcking deserve everything they are getting.

      • I live in a retirement community. Everyone is from somewhere else. One woman is from Portland. She’s a leftie. For the first month, she pretended not to know what was going on there. Then about a week ago she said she’d asked her friends and they said far-right wing groups were attacking people downtown.

        • Her next question should have been, why are the mayor and police not cracking down on these “far-right wing groups”?
          I’ve long said that liberal mayors can shut the riots down any time they want by labeling the instigators “white supremacists” and ordering the police to club them like baby seals.

  14. I care less about what activates the Left than what actives the Right. We’ve had chaos in the streets for weeks and Trump is already President – and he’s done nothing – when it would be an enormous electoral boost to take strong action. Why should anyone believe he’ll do better with four more years – with a Congress and Senate even less on “his side,” if the GOP even counts? For those expecting 1984 from a Biden administration, look at the recent history of hot-button issues like race and immigration. The major “Progressive push” has come under Republicans, not… Read more »

    • Whites have started to flee the cities. The riots have been a windfall for us. What the Left and its non-White allies do is important because it forces Whites to act. Trump will do nothing but the reaction to him will force White people to act out of necessity. How many cucks and BoomerCons believed the FBI/DOJ were sterling institutions just a few years ago? There are much fewer of them now. No one should want anything but a destroyed GOP replaced by a pro-White party, but we first have to push Whites toward that position. Our enemies are doing… Read more »

      • The riots have been a windfall for us

        Which is, of course, why Governor CHAZ won his primary by an even larger margin than he did four years ago…

        • Point taken but the people who vote for Gov. Chaz are not our target demographic, at least yet. Portland will start to bleed people just like NYC. Those are the ones we have to recruit or allow events to convert.

      • 125 miles north of me the local business owners looted for the 2nd time (min) got on TV and wanted to remind everyone they still supported BLM. How hot would the water need to be to boil that frog?

      • Urban Texas has long been pozzed, but how is it a ‘positive’ development that I now see dozens of Florida, California, Minnesota, or Illinois license plates every day? These Whites are fleeing only the consequences of their own actions. They’ve learned nothing. And while they may say a few daring things in private with you, they will vote for the same policies that destroyed their original states of residence. Spreading the pozz far and wide is not ‘winning’ in my mind.

        • I will not discount that even may be the intent. Long run, though, I think those people come around. The pozzed urban Texans, from what I know, largely are natives although they have been supplemented by Yankees. Violence from vibrants will turn some of them around as well.
          I also expect, as part of the slow boil strategy, a President Harris to make certain refugees are relocated to places like suburban and rural Texas. Additionally, the AFFH will be implemented where feasible.

        • Yelling at somebody on the interwebs is one thing – and might occasionally convert some minds. Telling your new neighbor who just moved in from New York – that he had better take that BLM sign off of his front lawn or he’s going to find the going extremely tough in his new town of residence – is another thing entirely. “Look dude – I don’t know what you were like back in NYC , but around here we don’t cotton to that bullshit.” You won’t get the option to say that to somebody while staring directly into their eyes… Read more »

          • Lefties tend to be big on conformity. This is particularly true of the women. When majority opinion is against them, they tend to conform.

      • “… BoomerCons believed the FBI/DOJ were sterling institutions…”

        The establishment GOP, too. How many more people have heard the word ‘globalism’ now than had in 2015?

    • I get that we would like him to do something, but i cannot fault him at this point. These were city/county/state level issues, and I agree that it was not his place to clean up the mess they created. They voted for this; they reap the rewards. He did step in when federal property (fed courthouse) was attacked, and he should. But short of attacking fed property, or the local authorities requesting assistance, it is their problem to solve. Let the world see what voting progressive gets you. Honestly, I don’t get the point of the “Back in the Day… Read more »

        • That Trump has been such a disaster that Biden couldn’t possibly be worse.

          That Trump has been worse for whites than Obama was.

          • Do you make your purchasing decisions in a vacuum, without comparing other relevant factors?

            why should I have to do so?

          • So, the answer is you have no case for Biden, you just want to wallow in self-pity over Trump not being the Nazi you think you were promised.

          • “explain to me why the Frigidaire is better than the Kenmore, without making any reference to the Kenmore”

          • There’s no need for you to keep proving my point. I get it. We all get it. I covered this in the post. You are unable to see beyond your own self-pity. It’s all personal for you. Trump made you sad. That’s all that matters to you.

            The funny thing is every sales guy reading this would have no trouble answering your question, even if he knows nothing about either brand.

          • My reply is waiting for approval. Is that because of the “an*l” in “an*logy?”

          • I’ve long since stopped trying to understand why some get flagged, while others fly through. It is the mystery of the spam filter.

          • Not to make it personal,but I hope you did not mean what you said. Some liberal whites would be willing to load out of favor whites they do not like onto rail cars for exile or worse without a second thought, they are only waiting for the opportunity. I find the cancel culture to be the virtual rail station at the moment. Their secret is having someone else do their bidding. Throwing bricks at a policeman’s head is not far from the rail station. I think there is history to support my statement.

          • It seems you are arguing we should buy the refrigerator with the lower ratings and bad repair history, and somehow this will create better refrigerators in the future.

            Trump tried to help us and failed, so let’s go with someone who will try to hurt us, and maybe it will be the same.

          • Oh man- ya gotta tell us what the salesman would say.

            Help a guy out. For some of us the gears turn slowly, so please type s-l-o-w-l-y.

          • My argument is both refrigerators suck and let’s stop pretending one is better than the other.

          • The most important things about a fridge are

            1. Consistency and longevity; these are often overlooked but the importance of keeping a consistent set temperature cannot be overstated.
            2. Electrical efficiency: cooling (especially ice-making) is an energy hog- Fridges are often second only to clothes dryers in energy use. Over the life of a fridge you spend many times its cost of electricity.
            3. Efficient variable interior space…
            4. Variable door configuration…
            5. Ease of cleaning, interiors plus condensors etc….

            Easy enough, no?

            Now you try it it with a politician.

          • I’m going to share some life experience with you – things can ALWAYS get worse. If you ever say things can’t get worse you’ve lead a charmed life or have a deficient imagination.

          • I doubt he should bother trying – this is Talmudry.

            “Explain why cyanide is better than arsenic without referring to arsenic.”

    • I’ve never bought the wealthy Manhattanite who was a Democrat not so long ago being pro-gun…ever. That’s the first issue up on the flip flop if he were to win in November.

  15. Trump is probably better because as stated, winning means something. Even with all of Trump’s faults, there have been small wins. Next, I don’t think the Left can correct like they did with Clinton. So, that means more racial politics and rioting. That will separate more liberal whites from the Left. We don’t need to accept them into the fold. Leaving them out in the cold is enough. The next time someone goes prattling on about how looking at race is bad, ask them how they are going to win then? The Left wins with it. What are they going… Read more »

  16. From the outside (Great White North) looking in, the USA is in for a rough time whoever wins in November. A Biden/Harris will effectively mean that rule by sociopaths will be entrenched. They will use racial division to further their ends no matter how much damage it does.
    Right now, most Canadians are in favour of keeping our border with the USA closed till the end of the year, it might end up being for more than just Winnie the Flu.

  17. The symbolism is the most important aspect. That’s why the SJWs were wailing, and hopefully will wail again. And there are worldwide effects to this. Trump was helped by Brexit. Now even Macron talks about the examples that Hungary and Russia set, and that the leadership class of the West must learn from them to defend Western Civilization.

    • Exactly, there’s a subtle connection between Trump becoming president & other european nationalistic movements.
      Trump winning second term(symbolic win over globalists) will embolden various worldwide white nationalists even more.

      • There certainly has been a not-so-subtle connection between nationalists, real and perceived, being elected and Globohomo dropping the mask and cracking down.

        • In frickin’ spades, you betcha.
          The mask is coming off, and I’ll take help anywhere I can get it.

          As said above, every win, every where, every time.

  18. “They know their guy is the right choice and the other guy represents the end of the world as we know it.”

    This is a stupid false equivalency for what should be obvious reasons. It’s typical of the clown-world right though-can’t even agree on the most obvious things.

  19. A Biden win will mean not only an orgy of globalism, it will mean an orgy of revenge against the recalcitrants, i.e., us. In addition, this is almost certainly the last presidential (and probably congressional) election that we have a chance of winning. It would be nice to win it.

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