At the national conservatism conference, a recurring theme of the speeches was the awfulness of identity politics. The speakers would not get into the details, beyond noting it made unifying the country impossible. There were no references to black identity or the variety of group identities coming from the grievance studies departments. They would just refer to it in the same way that people refer to drug taking of drunk driving. That is, these are obviously immoral things that good people know to avoid.
The thing is though, this sort of talk only occurs in front of white people. Despite all the invective aimed at people on the dissident right, about their alleged racism, there was not a lot of diversity at the conference. A back of the envelope count says it was 65% white, 30% Jewish and 5% other. It may have been more Jewish than that, but not every Jew wears a yarmulke. Regardless, there may have been one black person and a few dozen people of mysterious origins. No a lot of vibrancy.
In other words, despite the hooting about white racism, the room was full of white people, who spend most of their time around white people or fellow whites. The typical black person experiences vastly more diversity in his daily life. Even the emotionally crippled women of the gender studies department get more diversity. The point being, Joe Sobran’s line about liberals applies to the various types of conservatives and now these newfangled national conservatives.
Putting that aside though, the typical white person in America really and truly does think identity politics is a bad thing. They look at the alternatives to the bourgeois civic nationalism of their lives and see that it is a shabby alternative. In fact, non-white identity politics can only exist where white people are in sufficient numbers to keep the water flowing and the lights working. That’s because identity politics is actually just anti-white politics. It is an entirely negative identity.
No public white person would dare say such a thing, but that’s the truth of it and more and more white people are waking up to it. The old paleocons can pearl-clutch this stuff all they like, but there is no turning back from it. Lecturing white America on the dangers of identity politics is now getting people killed. The only responsible thing to say in front of a white audience on the subject is the truth. What animates the new faces of the Democrat party, for example, is a hatred of white people.
Of course, one reason why the people railing against identity politics do so exclusively in front of white audiences is they fear this truth settling in on whites. That’s why tirades against white nationalism often coincide with the tirades against identity politics. They are two sides of the same coin, which is a fear that whites will begin to see their collective interests as primary. If in the next election whites vote their skin, Trump wins a fifty state landslide and 70% of the popular vote.
At the risk of over-making the point, these lectures to whites about identity politics are more insidious than they seem at first blush. The temptation is to assume it is just bourgeois white people extolling civic nationalism, by criticizing anything that undermines civic unity. Alternatively, it is a way for these people to puff out their chests and declare that it is the Democrats who are the real racists. Even today, this is a wildly popular tick among the civic nationalist types.
There’s something more important about these lectures. They are built on the assumption that the worst of all identity politics is white identity politics. Blacks embracing their racial awareness is not only ignored, but often celebrated by the same people fretting over white identity. Jewish identity, of course, is the greatest of all possible things. A multi-million dollar celebration of it was just staged in the capital, along with hundreds of media people, marched in to report on it.
White identity, well, that’s the worst and that’s why these lectures against identity politics never happen in front of non-whites. David French does not spend his days going to colleges demanding they junk their black studies departments. The boys at various Koch Brothers rackets are not going to the grievance studies departments, holding seminars on the dangers of identity politics. Instead, rants against identity politics are only aimed at white audiences, because white identity is what they fear.
When you witness this stuff up close, it is hard not to get angry about it and develop a deep loathing for the people behind it. When a Tucker Carlson does a bit on the evils of identity politics, one has to wonder if he is really an asset. To perpetuate white self-loathing in an age of racial politics and minority-majority demographics is to invite terror upon white people. To anathematize whites in order to prevent white identity is to counsel the victim to just like back and take it.
In fairness, a lot of the hooting about identity politics from civic nationalists is just alienation dressed up as nostalgia. They feel the same loss the rest of us feel for an America that is never going to return. Those on this side of the great divide have come to terms with it and seek to build a new identity that provides community and a sense of purpose. The civic nationalist just wallow in the self-pity and nostalgia. They are the new flagellants, who think more self-harm will solve the problem.
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Stereotypes are bad but I would have all the marbles in less than 4 rounds if I always bet on them. betting on white is verboten…. And don’t forget it.
Z’s experience at this conference parallels my own in becoming racially aware. I am predisposed to be an atomized individual but I couldn’t ignore that most non-whites are tribal and attack whites and are celebrated for it, while whites are excoriated for the same.
I have loved ones who boil with anger when they see a white family with three children due to “overpopulation” but feel compassion for an unmarried black mother with six kids.
You may not be interested in race but race is interested in you.
Richard Spencer joins with “The Squad” and the GOPe in sniping at Trump on CNN over Trump’s “racist Tweets,” while both the Far Left and Far Right screech about Zionists controlling everything and everybody. We will find out in 2020 just how fast the “DR” is growing – if it’s growing at all – and if Whites have the intelligence and fortitude to deal with the coming catastrophe. So far there is no evidence for optimism. Note to American Jews and International Progressivists everywhere: You created this monster and it is coming for you. Only this time there will be… Read more »
Carl B, since you mentioned Richard Spencer and CNN and I didn’t know what was going on, I looked on the internet. I found that Spencer has a twitter account. Twitter hasn’t de-platformed him? Maybe they need him to play the part of cartoon Nazi. I remember in one of his podcasts Z talked about David Duke playing the part years ago on Face the Nation (or some similar show).
Yeah, I think that is the role Spencer is willing to play. Lefty news will bring him on as their jester, playing the role of white nationalist or white supremacist. It’s a sad end, but one I predicted.
Twitter’s official policy is to allow White Nationalists to have twitter accounts if they don’t break the rules. They are studying the problem. “Twitter is conducting in-house research to better understand how white nationalists and supremacists use the platform. The company is trying to decide, in part, whether white supremacists should be banned from the site or should be allowed to stay on the platform so their views can be debated by others, a Twitter executive told Motherboard.” Spencer hardly came off badly in that CNN clip, the whole clip was hilarious and sort of intriguing but he was a… Read more »
I think the biggest challenge to those on the dissident right is that there are many whites that practice identity politics, but only unconsciously through behavior, and will never, ever, say so out loud. Evangelicals, for example, are busy building megachurches in wealthy white suburbs of the major cities, far away from Diversity, while at the same time sending folks down to the Ghetto, and across the ocean to Haiti or Africa to help the poor benighted black folk. They would recoil at being called racists, but their kids go to 90% white / 10% east/south Asian schools. The big… Read more »
The only Jews that I’ve met who are against immigration live in parts of Northern Virginia that have seen a big influx of Chinese and Indians. Hispanic immigration meant nothing to these guys, but as soon the Chinese and Indians showed up in their neighborhoods and challenged their kids at school, the Jews suddenly became immigration hawks.
I don’t know anything about them fancy Jews in Northern Virginia, but as a Jew from NYC, I’ve always detested foreigners and immigration. Viscerally. I grew up with foreigners all around because that’s just the way things are in a “diverse” city. The real awareness came one day in the late ’80s when someone mentioned the risks of going into a Dominican neighborhood and I thought “Gee, we’ve had enough trouble with PRs since before I was born, why are we bringing these people in?” That meant things were getting worse and they have gotten a lot worse since then.… Read more »
NY/NJ Jews definitely seem different than NoVa Jews. NoVa Jews, like NoVA gentile whites, are generally rich snobs with no understanding of the real world, which their parents’ money has allowed them to avoid.
I’m in NJ and once remarked to a Jewish friend that one of the reasons why Jews are liberals is because Jews tend to be affluent and so can escape the consequences of their purported idealism. She agreed with me.
This + 1000 for Good Whites. All the liberal whites I know live in high rent districts to avoid the diversity they champion. Their exposure doesn’t go beyond quaint restaurants.
Makes me think of the Jews in the Netherlands. Their jewelry businesses have recently been overtaken by the Hindus. Womp-womp.
Employees of or contractors with the Federal octopus.
One of the reasons why Blacks almost always vote for the Dems. They either are or wish to be government employees.
Having their job outsourced to a Hindu from Bombay tends to do wonders.
Same with their schools their children attend being flooded with 3rd worlders. Even the Mexicans here don’t like it.
Finding their parks taken over by orcs.
Watching their neighborhood get infested by the brown menace and Section 8 housing.
Let’s not forget that Evangelicals are also importing the Third World into this country. The cosmetic reason of course, is to save souls. But I suspect getting cheap labor down at the machine shop plays an even bigger part.
I am also likely predisposed to be an atomized individual, I just feel like there is a basic rule of society that must be followed: take care of your own shit, society requires some investment from an individual – but when an individual takes more from “society” than they’re contributing – you’ve got yourself a failure. As an atomized individual living naked and afraid in the wilderness – it’s likely all I can do to get enough sustenance for myself and support my family. That is simply the way of things in a state of nature. It seems that since… Read more »
I am predisposed to be an atomized individual but I couldn’t ignore that most non-whites are tribal and attack whites and are celebrated for it, while whites are excoriated for the same.
Exactly the same way. Maybe that’s a white male profile thing??
I rather wonder whether the 50-year annivesary of the Moon landing (at least for those who remember it but possibly even for others) aren’t touching that sense of loss that Z-man refers to. “And Whiteys on the Moon!”
They’ve been playing all the Apollo 11 stuff on the news the last few days. The shots of the control room – all full of white guys. Then there’s the three white guys headed out to the capsule, surrounded by a bunch of white guy technicians. Hey look – there’s some white guys jumping into the ocean to get the astronauts out!!. We watched almost all the way thru one segment – and then I turned to the wife and said: “hey – where are all the black people – I thought they made up 50% of the country ?… Read more »
Don’t forget the three “women of color” they made the movie about. Without them there’d be no NASA!
I was looking for them. Pretty sure if the ABC Evening News could have found a way to insert them in there they would have done it.
Which to me is pretty good evidence to the contrary on the premise of that movie.
But we all know that whitey never would have made it to the moon without the black female mathematicians who made it happen. Hollywood has shown us and corrected the historical oversight.
White Identity politics… learn it, live it, love it, or accept the fact that there is a boxcar in your future.
you mean that non-whites can also make the trains run on time? /sarc
Only if they let the Chinese run them.
In Latin American, Whites usually dominate, even in countries where Whites are a minority such as Mexico. I wonder what these countries would look like if the Mestizos took over. Venezuela?
South Africa was a first world country under minority White rule. South African Blacks had a choice of serving in heaven or ruling in hell and they choose the latter. South Africa and Rhodesia were sacrifices to the great god of our age – equality.
It helps to understand the underlying motives of the identity deniers. They are parasites whose only long term means of survival is to proactively convert our species from differentiated cohorts that evolved and adapted to differentiated environments into an insect-like mono species in which the untermenschen are morphed into controllable drone workers. These parasites are the bastard stepchildren of a perverted evolutionary process; who in a prior age, would have been culled by natural fitness selection, but now thrive because whining works.
“They are parasites whose only long term means of survival is to proactively convert our species from differentiated cohorts that evolved and adapted to differentiated environments into an insect-like mono species”
But they only do this to whites. That’s the crucial observation.
Yep. The AWR goal probably isn’t the extermination of whites, but rather to reduce them to worker-drone status on behalf of non-whites. We are on the path to becoming urban and suburban serfs.
Welfare was the first in the continued line of payoffs to the inner city orcs not to riot.
@TomA. Wow! That’s a mouth full. You must be an Entomologist. The thing is, humans it seems just weren’t meant to live in giant groupes. I’m sure you’ve heard of the mouse utopia experiment. Dr. John Calhoun’s work showed you just can’t put large numbers of animals together and supply them with everything and expect it to go well. mutations pile up and social problems abound. Extinction is always the result.
It depends on who’s doing the organizing. Tokyo has had more than 1 million people for more than 1000 years. The greater metro now has 42 million. It functions well and has been the cultural center of their civilization for centuries. We used to be able to say the same for most European cities. American cities didn’t evolve under one ethnos as did European cities so lots of friction between groups had to be put up with…but we still managed to build some well functioning cities. Then the blacks migrated north and we opened the floodgates. We all know the… Read more »
Your example of Tokyo makes my point. The vast majority of Japanese urban citizens are as close to drones as you can get and still mimic basic human nature. They are characteristically obedient, work long hours, and have little to no innovative cognitive skill. They typically follow their elite masters in slavish devotion. Our own Progressive elites must be envious.
Problem is this situation has cause the Japanese to stop marrying and having children. At some level even they know life has become unbearable and they don’t want to bring children into it. It may be clean and safe, etc. But living in sleep tubes and working oneself to death isn’t exactly something to look forward to. It’s like the old Dilbert cartoon where he’s giving a talk at a local grade school about having a career as a engineer. He says you get to look forward to being in a cube for the next 40 years and then retire… Read more »
Whining doesn’t “work”.
Whining gets tolerated.
Count me in as one of the nostalgic crowd … I miss the America I once knew. Reagan signed my first commission; Obama signed my retirement … there’s a LOT to be nostalgic about. But nostalgia, once married with realism, forces us down a different path. Identity politics has been thrust upon us; so be it. I’m still working out how to exist in this brave new world. Nostalgia just pisses me off and leaves me bitter. Realism drives me toward ACTION … I hope all of this discussion is driving people to prepare (physically/spiritually) for what’s coming.
We’re all patriotic for an America that no longer exists. It was a far better America, largely because it was a far whiter America.
Not just b/c of that. There used to be something about America that was NOT the same in Europe. I grew up in both places and worked and went to college in both. There was always more space to be man in the US than in Europe. Until sometime in the 00s. That’s when the gritty can-do part of American culture collapsed IMO. Some will no doubt say sooner but, maybe b/c I was for some years in college first in Europe, then in the US, through the late 90s and 00s, I got the comparison. America became more and… Read more »
Just got back yesterday from camping (RV) for a few days with friends in upstate NY. Virtually everyone on the campground was White. I remarked to my friends that it looked like the America of our childhood. One of my friends said that camping is a White hobby.
Saw a lot of American flags and even Trump signs. Campers left personal items outside of their RVs. Just like the America of our childhood.
Tucker has to worry about staying on the air. You must not have gotten a sense from his talk that he is not pulling punches to do that, but really believes all identity politics is poisonous. He is still as close as you can get to reality and still stay on the air for a TV news pundit. A big improvement over Bill O’Reilly and the neocon choir FOX featured for over a decade. He may be a case of taking what we can get.
Everyone gets that. He is better than everyone else, but why bother saying anything? He could simply point out the hypocrisy of the Left and leaving it at that. Why add on the sermons about identity politics? I know the answer. I’m just pointing out how powerful the conditioning is and what we face. Self-loathing has been turned into a narcotic for white people that lets them forget about what they lost. Tucker and everyone else does it because it works.
To face the truth of identity politics is to face the truth about a lot of very ugly things. To accept identity politics is to accept that whites have lost their country, that whites will be a persecuted minority, that the only hope for whites might be violence on an unimaginable scale and, most importantly, that we utterly failed our children and grandchildren. Somewhere, deep down, Carlson and other whites know that the only thing holding this country together is whites not participating in identity politics. Sure, they’re only making things worse, but it’s just so much easier to avoid… Read more »
the only thing holding this country together is whites not participating in identity politics.
That’s the main thing destroying this country. “Identity politics r bad” is the best trick the left ever pulled on the right.
Citizen: “To accept identity politics is to accept that whites have lost their country, that whites will be a persecuted minority, that the only hope for whites might be violence on an unimaginable scale and, most importantly, that we utterly failed our children and grandchildren.”
Brilliantly said. And unutterably sad. It was all so utterly predictable and entirely unnecessary.
To give Tucker Carlson the benefit of the doubt, couldn’t his speaking against identity politics really be a means of highlighting the all of the non-white (a/k/a anti-white) identity politics? Could it be trying to show normie whites that civ-nationalism isn’t going to work? He can’t come out and openly promote white identity politics.
I could be off-base. I don’t know what Tucker said.
“Self-loathing” seems to be something I’ve never had—and I’m a pretty imperfect specimen in any random category you choose. This has got to be something genetically based. I can’t remember any family member that exhibited such tendencies, and I’ve thought about it in depth. Point being that self-loathing is therefore a very hard concept for me to fathom.
Racial self -loathing is a unique and distinguishing characteristic of white Leftists, and I suspect it has a genetic component. It would be interesting to trace its intellectual origins. When, specifically, did white elites begin inveighing against their own people? My guess is somewhere in the first half of the 19th century. Of course, it was only with the Frankfurt School, and the emergence of the New Left in the early 60s that this pathology became a powerful political force.
The blacks have their “Uncle Toms” and self-haters. Jews have had self-haters and “conversos”, too. Self-loathing on a broad level is traceable to a lot of factors: 1) true self-loathing, when an individual hates himself (think Michael Moore) he can spin it into a self-loathing of his group to make himself appear virtuous, believing that no one else can see the true cause for his self-loathing. 2) cowardliness is another motive. Humans are hardwired to be at war. If “the group” or if “high fashion” makes it acceptable or profitable to hate one’s own, then the coward will do it… Read more »
It is white conservatives, not white leftists who have the biggest case of self hatred. White leftists don’t identify with right wing Whites. They see them as the Other. They hate the Other but they love themselves and their leftist tribe. They see themselves as morally righteous. They are winning big and imposing their will on the rest of us. Once we’re all gone, they may not like what they end up winning, but that’s beside the point. Conservatives (and non-liberal whites in general) are the ones who refuse to stand up for their own tribe and who are ashamed… Read more »
Sure, you can always find a race traitor or two among other groups, but only among whites are approximately one third of the people race traitors. In other words, the problem is FAR more pronounced among us than any other group. If one third of blacks were race traitors the Dems would be out of business.
PS–I like your third point, which is related to your second. When the going gets tough for a group of people, the cowards among them get going to the other side.
White “conservatives” hate whites because they’re liberal. Anti-white racism is the defining characteristic of Leftism, or liberalism, if you will.
You got it.
White liberals are very proud of themselves because they say the “right” things and hold the “right” attitudes. What is the “right” thing and “right” attitude will vary from moment to moment, depending on what the current fashion is.
If anyone feels guilty, it’s the conservatives.
Compsci…..agree. I believe you are observing a genetic quality…mutational overload that isn’t culled perhaps. Here I come from uber crazy leftists and my Boooommmer fellow travelers were falling all over themselves for The Other. I remember being in my 30s and observing the hypocrisy. Had a girlfriend from high school who would ramble on the Love The Other party line, yet moved just off Solano Avenue, Berkeley, to be around the cool upscale professionals. The only Others she knew were other professionals that all did the same thing. So much for associating with Power to the People thugs. Like riding… Read more »
Yeah it’s easy to call him a sell out from the peanut gallery. The moment he’d go public, he would be pilloried and lynched in short order. His life as he knew it would be gone.
It wasn’t that long ago that Tucker’s public position on the war on men and boys was to tell men to “shut up and man up”. Preaching responsibility without authority; to become the obedient draft horses that the State needs to function (that women deserve). Not a very keen understanding of the situation or the forces at work. Nor a very compassionate view of his own sex. The anti-masculinity animus was how I found my way into the dissident right. The war on masculinity is really just one of many fronts in the war on white. Perhaps Tucker has put… Read more »
I can sympathize with the nostalgic conservatives. For a long time, this country was very good at importing various tribes of Europeans and getting them to assimilate. When their predecessors bought into the left’s racial equality stuff in the middle of the last century, they assumed they could get other tribes to assimilate as well.
Identity politics actively resists and even rolls back assimilation. Combine it with floods of far too many immigrants to smoothly assimilate and you have – Balkanization. If the shooting starts, this place comes apart more spectacularly than Yugoslavia.
Many Europeans came to America and were successful. What the conservative inc. seems to have intentionally missed is that Europeans were also successful in Europe. Europeans are successful pretty much everywhere. You also see this theory of American exceptionalism trotted out to prove that democracy or the Constitution were responsible for American success. But Europeans ran highly functional societies under Monarchies and Feudalism. If one is willing to look at the obvious it’s clear that Europeans are successful in almost any government and on almost any piece of dirt. It’s also pretty clear that’s most POC end up in squalor… Read more »
Sure – some of places Europeans came from – Italy, Ireland, Poland… hadn’t been particularly successful places in a long time. But, yes – from a global perspective, European stock has hit way above their weight for a long time.
It seems to go in cycles. And for some reason, they seem to self-destruct. We are seeing that now in places like NW Europe w/ England, Sweden, Norway. The hard times make good men cycle appears only to apply to Euros.
Some European countries weren’t as wealthy as other but that’s mostly in relation to other European countries. Compared to a place like Africa or most of South America they are still wealthy. Even the East Germans under communism were far wealthier than any country run by Africans. Which just goes to show how important the people are to an economy. Even under the stupidest possible economic system they were still more productive than free economies filled with many POC. But normies will rail against socialism because of its failure record without somehow noticing the much greater failure record of most… Read more »
Some conservatives credit Christianity for Western success. Really? How about Guatemala, the Phillippines and Kenya? Also, the accomplishments of European peoples before Christianity?
It be racist to give credit to European peoples, regardless of religion.
I’ve been thinking lately about how dangerous empathy is. What empathy allows people to do is to feel other people’s pain. But you never hear about anyone feeling anyone else’s Joy. Empathy is only good for pain and it seems to destroy your own capacity for joy. If I felt like that all the time I would want to destroy everything also
>Self-loathing has been turned into a narcotic for white people that lets them forget about what they lost.<
You are spot on, Whitney.
My liberal-libertarian relatives are unadmittedly furious that their grand inclusive virtues have led to ruin; conservatives making war to spread democracy has also led to ruin.
Neither Left nor Right has worked.
They were taught to despise their ancestors, and now their grandkids don’t look like them.
“Screw it! Let this wicked world burn! Burn it all!”
Alzaebo said: “Screw it! Let this wicked world burn! Burn it all!” Spoken like a true idealist with a broken heart. 😀
I think he has a point though for a different reason. The kind of anti-white rhetoric we are hearing right now does not guarantee a genocide but it precedes a genocide 100% of the time and on top of that we’re turning over the levers of power to people that hate us. It seems to me that civilizational collapse is going to work in our favor. There’s an interesting book out called Lost white tribes and it’s pretty much a horror show of the future if we continue as we are
And they all want access to the societies built by white men.
Preferably with White Serfs keeping everything running while they enjoy leisurely lives.
And access to white women
Z Man said: “Of course, one reason why the people railing against identity politics do so exclusively in front of white audiences is they fear this truth settling in on whites. That’s why tirades against white nationalism often coincide with the tirades against identity politics. They are two sides of the same coin, which is a fear that whites will begin to see their collective interests as primary.” Matthew 23:13. “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men. For you neither enter, nor even do you allow those who… Read more »
May you live to be 120, I want one of us to see how this all turns out!
(And to give us the news when he gets to Heaven. I’ll catch it on the grapevine way down below in the, uh, basement.)
I also suspect that Whites lecturing Whites only on the evils of racial identity is also a function of the physical danger of any White appearing before a Black/Hispanic audience and attempting to lecture them on their identity proclivities. In this day and age of minority ascendency, the slightest criticism of our vibrant folk risks immediate casting into the void, if not outright physical attack.
Compsci said: ” In this day and age of minority ascendency, the slightest criticism of our vibrant folk risks immediate casting into the void, if not outright physical attack.” Millions of white people have been holding in a mountain of cold rage for decades. But the insurrection hasn’t happened mainly I believe for two reasons. Most White people believe in the American system and they want it to work. Plus we’ve all been pacified to one extent or another by the soft despotic beasts. I have no idea how long this can keep up untill the last straw falls.
The chimp-outs would be epic.
Here in my beloved Long Island, the anti-racists battling racist racism are demanding that the President commit seppuku!
Jewish radio stands tall with our beloved Palestinian and noble Muslim friends!
Aw c’mon, people I had a downvote!
I was going to tell the lurking Littlest Chickenhawk that his dream job was waiting on The View. We gotcher material right heeere, Benny!
The more zman discloses about this “national conservatism” conference the more I believe that it’s a case of “meet the new cucks; same as the old cucks.” This is not a new direction for conservatism or a new beginning, it’s a Greatest Hits album.
Where do the Civ Nats stand on immigration and the global imposition of democracy by force? Honest questions.
From what I can gather from the various talking heads:
Immigration: More of it legally, probably ok with some illegal as long as not too much (can’t get rid of it all anyway), and as long as they assimilate (meaning mouthing the right platitudes, not dissing the founding stock, but otherwise do as you will);
Democracy by force: Yes, and you will like it!
If things keep going like this I can see moslems and blacks being loaded onto scows and sent back. (Even Trump is pondering that). Likewise the Mexicans could easily be death marched back across the border.
Call it what you want. Tribalism, nationalism… when those hatred flow, morals and ethics go out the window.
Dream on.
Would only occur after a protracted and exhausting war. Then, you might see something like what happened to German ethnics living in countries immediately surrounding pre-WWII Germany—where such were driven across the new national boundaries back to Germany, if they were lucky. 100’s of thousands never made it.
I think it happens in Europe first. We quietly follow suit.
Martin Armstrong of Armstrong Economics predicts religious war in the early 2020s.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/cycle-of-war-religion/
I would like to make two points addressed to Mr. Man and the home viewing audience. First, thank you very much for introducing me to Joe Sobran. I regret wasting time not reading his work. Second, as an aspiring hu-white ciswhatever, I would very much like to attend AmRen’s big hoedown next year. Unfortunately I am under deep cover and it would seriously bum me out were I found out to be Literally Hitler by my employer and the nice brown woman at my local bodega. So any practical hints, strategies, tactics, neologisms, Etc. would be very much appreciated in… Read more »
Farst, ya steal yer wimmen’s shoes, lock em in that thar kitchen, and keep em pregnerant. Kissin’ cousins, nieces, sisters is all fair play.
Theyn, ya get a bullwhip and keep them thar darkies a-pickin’ the crops.
Huwhyte sheets is high fashion.
Last, ya’ll remember time-honored wisom of yer fear-fathers:
Ya call a redneck with pitbulls an all-huwhyte nayborhood.
Ya hear me, boy?
The concern is real. I know a man who lost his job because he attended AmRen a few years ago.
We are political dissidents living in an age with effectively infinite surveillance capabilities and infinite data storage.
What will the neo-stasi do with those wonderful toys in twenty years?
Not being careful is naive or unnecessarily risky, and I don’t have “Born to Lose” tattooed on my neck.
And yet you post on this site 😮
Underlying the fear of white identity consciousness among “conservative” cuck-ups is economic anxiety. Most civnats swear by corporate capitalism, but as we see in Nike, Gillette, et al. the corporations nowadays are often p.c. plague carriers. (I was a little taken aback — not sure why, it shouldn’t have been surprising — to learn that my brokerage, Fidelity, sponsors gay pride events.) Whites who respect their heritage, for all their reluctance to play in the grievance Olympics, potentially have a huge advantage at their disposal: the power of the purse. Whites still control a lot of the money flow. If… Read more »
Corporations have reached the point where, externally, they are neutral, but internally, they proudly fly the freak flag. Nike and Gillette are now testing the freak flag waters with the general public. Not shopping with them is a whole lot easier than speaking up as an employee and having your career axed.
If you’re really serious about boycotting AWR corporations you’ll have go live on a mountaintop in Wyoming and lead a subsistence life. Nike and Gillette are the poster children for AWR, but almost all corporations share their views and policies.
Gillette is a P&G brand. Almost everything is. In fact, I can’t even name many competitor conglomerates – Johnson & Johnson, General Mills? They are likely just as woke. The best way to boycott them is probably to buy knock-offs (easier to do with Nike).
This thing is moving on two separate but parallel tracks. Trump is presently trying to do to the left what the left has successfully done to the right: draw a line beyond which support cannot be accepted (or at least publicly acknowledged). The fact that this line is not where anyone around here would like it to be is irrelevant. The point IS the line, if you will. Once the line is drawn it can be moved. Trump’s wrapping himself in the Israeli flag is more about winning Florida and giving cowards in the GOP cover to attack Maoist thots… Read more »
Trump didn’t just symbolically wrap himself in the Israeli flag
He delivered a long list of tangible results for his Israeli partners.
The same cannot be said for those who voted for him on the basis of immigration restriction.
He has failed to deliver time and time again on immigration, even when he clearly has the power to act unilaterally. He has played the same old game of failure theater instead.
It has to be assumed this is intentional.
DR3 (Dems are the real racists) is true, though I understand Zman’s antipathy for the phrase. Where this starts to matter is when the brown tide rolls up to white liberal shores, and the AOCs of the world start defeating the old Dem guard with regularity. The only reason white Dems are embracing the browning of America is because it helps them get elected. When they see it taking over the party, it could spark a huge conversion to our side. The US may then start to more resemble the politics of Alabama than CA, NY and IL.
“ The only reason white Dems are embracing the browning of America is because it helps them get elected. When they see it taking over the party, it could spark a huge conversion to our side.”
I don’t know when whites will ever start bloc voting (if ever) but I think the day is not too far off where power-seeking white men realize if they want to get much higher than state legislator or Representative from Vermont they’re going to have to leave the Democratic Party.
Last year, I remarked to a young man involved in Republican politics here in NJ that there was no place in the Democratic Party for White men. He replied, “I know.”
In Newark, NJ, the last Republican mayor left office in 1953 and the last White Democrat in 1970. Since then, all of Newark’s mayors were Black Democrats and one light-skinned Puerto Rican.
White and Jewish Democrats are facing the fate (figurately speaking) of Marie Antoinette. One way or another, they will be replaced by POCs.
The emergence of white identity is defensive and instinctive in response to nonwhite tribalization. It has the same logic as an arms race.
It is also true about the nostalgia bit. I suffer from it.
“… beyond noting it made unifying the country impossible.” Our country is an empire now. Authentic members of the American nation, the largest but one of many nations within the empire, starting to play identity politics might prevent unifying the country around the rule of globalist plague rats spreading the disease of civilization-wrecking diversity. They fear delegitimization of their rule over the empire because if real Americans start thinking like a nation again, this would inevitably entail assessing what our collective interests are, and there are no plausible scenarios where an awakened American nation will continue to allow hostile foreigners… Read more »
As people, one by one, realize they can throw off the shackles of an abusive relationship, it is liberating. Like a marriage complicated with kids, houses, and alimony payments, just physically walking out the door and not looking back is not always an option. But one can still walk out, mentally and emotionally. Freeing oneself from the mental shackles, to get out from under the daily rituals of accepting and dwelling over the mental abuse, is an incredibly powerful thing. That’s what whites are starting to figure out. People are going to continue to find that “F-you” and “I don’t… Read more »
Dutch, it’s not easy being a Stoic.
“In fairness, a lot of the hooting about identity politics from civic nationalists is just alienation dressed up as nostalgia. They feel the same loss the rest of us feel for an America that is never going to return.” For normies this is probably true. But for the group at this conference…no quarter. These people live politics 24/7. They know exactly what’s going on and who is pulling the strings. They are )))mercenaries((( and (((parasites))). When the balloon eventually does go up any of these people who are still on the field peddling this stuff should be given no quarter.… Read more »
Indeed. Such people profited on the turmoil they in many ways helped to create. As the fires burned brighter, they benefited more. No mercy should be shown.
I’ve found that telling whites that we WILL be a minority, and worse, a hated minority is effective. Even most liberals will concede that the white man is portrayed as a bumbling fool in the media and that a anti-white malice exists among our elite.Fact is that whites have become fat and dull from our unprecedented Success these last 100 yrs. A few missed meals will cure that. Watch SA.
I’ve found the same thing when I tell normie whites they’re going to be a despised minority. There’s never an argument, just a quiet, somewhat spooked look. It’s most effective when they have children.
I read your Vdare article with pleasure this morning, Zman. Great stuff.
Great job on getting that article on Vdare! Your readership is growing exponentially. Congratulations! We all appreciate your huge efforts and time taken to educate us about the Gatekeepers. Forewarned is forearmed.
https://vdare.com/articles/report-from-the-gatekeeper-s-ball-yoram-hazony-really-hates-the-right-zionist-attempt-to-co-opt-national-conservatism-will-fail
John Paul Stevens kicked the bucket. Stevens was my mother’s first cousin. She and Dad were Trots. Ironically, Mother would sniff that he was conservative old school, implying he was a racist, and after her conversion had little to do with him. You see how long this shit’s been rolling out! No Thanksgiving dinners with him for her clan. In his later years guess John Paul figured out what side of his bread was buttered and who was doing the buttering. Well Mom….you’ll be happy to know he slipped over to your side of the divide. As for me….done with… Read more »
I hear a lot about ‘how’ identity politics for whites is “bad”, but I don’t hear much about ‘why’. The only good answer I’ve ever heard – and this came from white nationalists – is that the normie whites (and other minorities) are simply afraid that white identity movements, should they go mainstream, will inevitably lead to German-like military mobilization and fascism, and Brit-like colonization. This is slanderous, of course. But ‘why’ is never discussed in the mainstream, and I wonder why that is? And I wonder if white progressives have an inner fear that they have an “inner Hitler”… Read more »
Where in the world has identity politics NOT lead to dictatorship, internal purges of minority populations, and colonization?
Those phenomena have been fixities of the human condition irrespective of so-called “identity politics.” The reality is that human beings have always grouped together in identities and competed, often violently, with other identity groups.
“Instead, rants against identity politics are only aimed at white audiences, because white identity is what they fear.”
I wonder why…
https://imgur.com/a/VEnif
Grr, my imgur-fu was a bit weak, let’s try again!
We’re fighting with other white people, forget about the proxies.
I wonder if the desperate rush to stop White People developing any kind of racial solidarity is out of fear,as an unremembered online poster once said ” when black people get mad, city blocks burn, when White People get mad whole continents burn” The left are so keen to portray White people as brutal racists who want nothing more than to oppress and kill any non White people but it seems to me that if White people truly wanted to oppress and kill any non White people in their countries then those people wouldn’t know what the fuck just hit… Read more »
I don’t know about whites embracing anti-identity views. Here in Southern CA whites are very, very conscious about being a minority in their own land and prefer to associate with other whites if at all possible. They put their kids in private or parochial schools to get away from the brown menace. That said the attendees are not your normal whites. They don’t have the time or money to blow on such worthless shindigs. What you got there is the same sort of whites who attend self-help and new age seminars. Uppser class whites wholly detached from reality. In regards… Read more »
Rod….it will take much more time for a lot more of The Others to show up in our lives, make us miserable, kill some more of us and create Big Hate and chaos. Our gatekeepers live behind….gates! They are insulated from The Others. Until their world gets rocked by The Others, we’re in for a hellish ride.
As a fellow Southern Californian, I would say that you can always tell a Californian, but you can’t tell him much. Californians are set in their various social and political ways, in all directions. Any attempt to engage or parse out reasons why they believe what they do is met with a silent, arrogant assumption of the self-evident truth of their viewpoint. The Bernie-bots, Hillary-bots and Trump-bots all refuse to engage. The attitude is that if you are too stupid to see things their way, they are not going to deign to explain it to you, and you just need… Read more »
Point taken. However, I think we are inching ever closer to the point when white identity CAN be discussed publicly. Hence, Trump himself is tiptoeing on the precipice of declaring that diversity is a liability rather than an asset. During BO’s rule, this would have been unthinkable.
I read somewhere that in Moslem-infested parts of England, the Heritage English are more likely to describe themselves as Christian than in non-infested areas. Diversity creates a recognition of difference, contrary to what libs and cucks think.
I guess the big question right now is if it is too late to re-introduce and re-invigorate American Civic Nationalism. It seems a consensus here that it cannot be done. But it seems that Pres. Trump feels that it *can* be done. At least he’s acting that way. Maybe Tucker thinks so too. AnCivNat was an important, positive* way that the prior elite papered over the very real ethnic and cultural differences among so-called ‘white’ immigrants from Europe that existed from even before independence. That all changed when the urban D elite section sought to cement their power by changing… Read more »
1. We take a wait & see approach with Tucker. Right now things are too fluid for a friend or foe or useless meatstick, diagnosis. 2. I don’t think it’s ALL about securing status and money for him, which would reveal itself by him playing it safe. He’s been unsafe, which is why we’ve all wondered aloud here when he’s gonna be fired. 3. He’s not merely “the most we can hope for right now” or “a better version of O’reilly”. No he’s really quite remarkable (for these times). A different animal from the semi-literate or fake smart hosts and… Read more »
I keep up with a former water company co-worker for the shits and grins of watching the academic woo-woo Left. Her daughter in Lafayette, CA has been sending the kids to The White Pony-Meher Baba School of Sufism Reoriented. Too much money so the kids will enter public school for the first time. Little Snowflakes! Am expecting to hear stories of their great shock and maladjustment to public school. http://www.sufismreoriented.org/meherschools.html “Unity in the midst of diversity can be made to be felt only by touching the very core of the heart. That is the work for which I have come.”–… Read more »
I think a lot of standard issue conservatives would be quite happy to visit the grievance studies departments and hold seminars on the dangers of identity politics. It’s just that they would never be allowed in the door, and if they were they would be attacked by mobs of raging ignorant children.
“When a Tucker Carlson [speaks out against] the evils of identity politics, one has to wonder if he is really an asset.” – first doubts I’ve ever heard expressed by a major Dissident Right figure about Tucker’s usefulness. I agree. I’ve had doubts about Tucker’s never-ending double-downing on the greatness & necessity of color-blind America, & the dangers of identity politics, for a long time. His spiel is nothing but civnat catnip: reassurance to aging Boomers that they’ve been right all along…administering more of the same pleasant to hear but ultimately deadly poison through their ancient ears. Still, it will… Read more »