The Bad Humor Man

Back in the halcyon days of 2015 and 2016, most white people were feeling like little kids on a summer day, waiting for the ice cream man. If you are of a certain age and a certain place, you probably remember the Good Humor Man. That was the guy in the white uniform driving the ice cream truck. Kids would hear the sound of the truck coming, stop what they were doing and run to get money for ice cream. Usually the truck had a bell or a speaker that played a unique tune.

Of course, these days, the ice cream truck is not operated by a white guy wearing a spiffy white uniform. Instead, it is operated by a degenerate, who looks like he just came from the methadone clinic. The Good Humor brand is now owned by a global corporation called Unilever, which is run by people that hate you. According to public documents, Unilever gives all of its political donations to Democrats, because Progressivism is the religion of the corporate ruling elite.

Putting that aside, the election of Trump was greeted by most white people as a relief from the rising tide of diversity. Trump was going to build a wall and drastically limit immigration, and not just illegal immigration. The worm was finally turning on the use of indentured servants to displace American workers. He was also going to stop selling out to cheap foreign labor through trade deals. Trump was the creamsicle of politics. He was orange on the outside and white on the inside.

Despite what the grifters and cucks of the alt-lite, people like Jack Posobiec, Bill Mitchell and Mike Cernovich were saying, everyone understood what Trump meant. He was going to make America white again. Not in the demographic sense. He was not going to start mass deportations or bring back segregation. It was that he was going to bring back the sort of politics associated with white people. That’s good government, economic nationalism, prudent patriotism and community awareness.

Here we are three years on and we have none of things he promised. Instead it has been three years of boasting, considering and looking at, but no results. Immigration is worse now than when he took office. He has completely caved to the cheap labor lobbies on the indentured servant issue. There is no wall and no plan to build one, despite his boasts to the contrary. Remember those Dreamers? They are still here and he has done nothing about it. Ditto the anchor baby issue.

The plan-trusters, MAGApedes, QAon suckers and so on will reply that he has been thwarted by the establishment, so he cannot be blamed. Maybe. The reply to that is he should have been aware of this from the start. Maybe if he had been a little smarter about how he went about these things, he could have won a few fights. Talking and losing is standard GOP procedure. The reason Trump won is the voters, the white voters, were tired of all talk and no action. Yet, here we are again.

Even if you want to excuse all of that, and maybe there is a good argument in favor of doing that, you cannot excuse his stiff-arming of his own voters. Every day he is on Twitter celebrating black this and Hispanic that. Of course, he is endlessly going on about Israel, as if he is the chief rabbi of the country. He seems more conserved with the welfare of people who will never vote for him than the people who put him in the White House. He sounds like Jeb Bush or Mitt Romney.

The topper is his constant demands for gun grabbing. There is no issue more closely tied with white America than guns. When people talk about self-defense, everyone knows what they mean. When anyone talks about “gun crime’ everyone knows they mean black crime. If gun ownership and defense of gun rights is implicit whiteness, then gun grabbing is explicit anti-whiteness. Trump’s knee-jerk gun grabbing means he is a lot closer to the anti-whites than he is white America.

Getting back to the analogy at the top. White people thought the relief they were getting was that creamsicle. Orange on the outside, white on the inside. Instead, white people are getting a turdsicle, orange on the outside and full of bullshit on the inside. Some broken promises and absurd boasting was expected. Everyone understood that Trump was a flagrant self-promoter and bullshitter. That was the price for getting some action on things like immigration and trade. That’s not what we are seeing.

This is where the plan-trusters, MAGApedes, QAon suckers (Yes, QAnon was a hoax) stop reading and post an angry comment about how he is better than Hillary. That’s probably true. We can’t know that. Her husband was better than Bush. By any reasonable measure, Obama was better than Bush. Let’s pretend it is true and Hillary would have been much worse. The turdsicle that is Trump is better than the fetid fishsicle that was Hillary. Ask yourself, is this how you want to be treated?

For as long as anyone reading this has been alive, that has been the deal on offer to people on the Right, by which we mean most white people. Your choice is the turdsicle or the fishsicle. Politics has been nothing but you running up to the Bad Humor Man thinking this time you might get something you want. Instead, you’re always told the choice is between two terrible options no one should ever accept. For most white people, the last three years has been more of the same.

Now, the temptation is to throw yourself down the hole of self-loathing, despair and Trump-bashing. The remains of the alt-right have chosen that course. Richard Spencer sounds like a racist Bernie Bro. Many White Nationalists are lining up behind Xena The Warrior Princess. The error here is these people think if they don’t show up, the Bad Humor Man will stop coming around. In reality, they will not be missed, as there is always a long line of normie whites willing to lick the turdsicle.

The right answer is a point Greg Johnson has been making. Instead of stomping off in a rage, the disaffected Trump voters need to engage more forcefully with those normies so they stop accepting the choice on offer. You can’t do that if you are on the sidelines or joining the other team. Things change when the Bad Humor Man is faced with a crowd that refuses the choice between the turdsicle and the fishsicle. When that day comes, he either stops coming around or he gets better inventory.


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168 thoughts on “The Bad Humor Man

  1. Of course, the problem with the Right is they elect people Reagan or Trump and then they think their job is finished and all they have to do is “fall in line and support our guy”. No, the job has just started. the POTUS is just one of 3 branches of government, and you need to keep the pressure on “your” politician to keep his promises and push your position. The left does that. The Right just wants to go home watch football and let “our guy” take care of of everything. A recipe for disappointment.

    • Correct.

      The States have all continued to piss money into the college rat-holes churning out “studies” (Blacks, Queers, Dagos, One-legged Eskimo etc) graduates regardless of if the Dems or GOP control the State Government. At one point during Barry the Kenyan’s reign over 50% of States has Republican Governors and majorities in both the House and Senate,

    • To accomplish that broad of a goal, you’d need a strong Congressional majority in both houses that was genuinely nationalist-populist and beholden to the voters rather than the donors. Not going to happen under the present system, which is incapable of reforming itself – the one thing I know Trump has proven.

    • “the POTUS is just one of 3 branches of government, and you need to keep the pressure on “your” politician to keep his promises and push your position.” You’re forgetting the 4th and most important (albeit unofficial) branch of government: the universities. There, they groom and indoctrinate all those who will be our bureaucrats, lawyers, judges, schoolteachers, journalists, entertainers, and various other “intellectuals”. This is where the true power lies. Feckless politicians have far less power than we wish to realize. This is why nothing changes. Ever. Except that the ideology of the campus because more entrenched every year. Don’t… Read more »

      • Our ten-year old granddaughter recently visited, and told Grandma her school cried when Trump was elected two years ago. Obama was a “good president” and Bernie was now her favorite candidate. De-funding Universities won’t work, it is already too late.

    • Rcocean said: “Of course, the problem with the Right is they elect people Reagan or Trump and then they think their job is finished and all they have to do is “fall in line and support our guy”. No, the job has just started.” Exactlly. The Liberal/left never sleeps. Sense the French Revolution those basterds have been in it too win. Which is why, in the long run, they always do. So realistically, what are the chances, that between now and 2020 you can convince 60+ million Americans to stand and put up a serious fight for their lives and… Read more »

      • The Z Man said: “Trump was the creamsicle of politics. He was orange on the outside and white on the inside.” Ya know folks. Donny J. never actually meant the same thing we do when he said “Make America Great Again.” He’s a mixture of industrial capitalist, leave it to beave nostalgic, center right progressivism. And even though he has a genuine soft spot for the working class he’s not one of us. Plus that knuckle head pulls all kinds of rookie mistakes, like letting his doughter and son in law have full accses and influance. How unprofessional is that?… Read more »

    • So I guess metaphors aren’t your thing, eh? You utterly missed the entire thrust of this post, and all of Zman’s other excellent and instructional posts. We cannot vote our way out of this, unless and until we have a government and elite who do not hate us and recognize the legitimacy of White interests because they recognize the truth of HBD . . . ie. NEVER. What “pressure” can be brought to bear? Even 20 years ago, when Texas was a little bit Whiter and not as many of those Whites were Californians or Chicagoans as now, the repukes… Read more »

  2. I’m starting to wonder if detachment is the only reasonable option remaining. America increasingly appears beyond saving. Perhaps we should focus on saving ourselves instead. Let the normies go down with the ship, as they seem determined to do that against all sense. Admittedly, that’s a losing attitude. But sometimes you have to cut your losses.

    • Hmmmmm. It’d be nice, but I wonder about the way that would work. How do we seperate our fate from theirs, Wkathman?

          • That will never be allowed because diversity for thee but not for me is both the elite’s religion and drug. We certainly can try to get these things and should as I could be wrong but it’s probably going to come to the Dissident Right realizing they had better join or die and making it happen And I’ll note that force and sacrifice do work. California has rampant ethnic cleansing of Blacks by Latinos and while people have gone to Federal Prison for it , they were willing to make the sacrifice for their people We aren’t there and this… Read more »

    • Wkathman said: “I’m starting to wonder if detachment is the only reasonable option remaining. America increasingly appears beyond saving. Perhaps we should focus on saving ourselves instead.” YES! The light goes on. I’ve been saying that for a while. Find a group of people you can trust. People that know how to survive. Then just settle in, roll up your sleeves, and get busy. But remember, if you stay anywhere in the U.S. your still in the belly of the beast. So plan accordingly.

  3. On the bright side, Trump has been central to a cultural awakening. Your blog audience numbers wouldn’t be the same had Trump not descended in 2015, and had the 2016 race been between Jeb! and the Hildabeast. That cultural cat’s out of the bag.

    • I’m all for acknowledging Trump’s shortcomings. But the question remains, what are you going to do for an encore? Who do you have a plausible opportunity to elect who’s going to be more favorable to your interests? Realistically, we have no one waiting in the wings to pick up our banner. When Trump exits the stage, what little forbearance the government still shows in acting against us will be gone. Faulting Trump is easy, and yes, he makes it easy. But I’m not seeing any options on offer. I think at some point you have to accept that this is… Read more »

      • Tucker Carlson gets it. Josh Hawley gets it.
        Better than Pence the Christian Zionist. Tucker or Hawley can represent us decently Pence will hand the rabbi his writing instruments for United States laws.

      • Agreed. Trump for all his imperfections is the only hope we have at present. I am nearly a single issue voter and proponent of the 2A. I am not happy with Trump at present. However I am of the opinion that the next democrat in the White House will bring a total Marxist takeover with him/her. So if Trump can get elected again, not a sure thing at all, we will at least have four more years, to prepare. Those will be precious years indeed. Then in 2024, if we are lucky, we can deal with the communists trying to… Read more »

  4. As for Gun Control, I’ll just reiterate: Trump never claimed to be a social conservative. He’s a rich guy from NYC, born and bred. If you thought he was going to take a political hit to support some extreme NRA position you weren’t paying attention. I’m much more upset at the failure on immigration, which is the only issue that matters. But on that issue Trump has gotten ZERO support from anyone in DC. He’s fighting alone. He could have done better but he’s up against a united establishment.

    • All the more reason to not make any concession to the left with words – he has control over what comes out of his own mouth. Monday’s mumblings are a disaster.

      • And mumblings are translated into what legislation? Have you seen such? I’ve not. I agree, that in the rush to “solve” the problem we are wise to be suspicious and raise concerns, but judgement depends on seeing what the proposed legislation will be. Nothing may be better than something, but it also may not be either—assuming you are still playing the political game as the elite would have it.

    • The issue of whether Trump was genuine or fake is secondary – his ineffectiveness is what matters. It’s proof that the system can’t be fixed from inside. We’re going to have to use extra-Constitutional, extra-systemic means. That doesn’t mean violence, it doesn’t mean chaos in the streets, but it does mean returning to real first principles and legitimizing disobedience. Not everyone can or will pay that price, I get that, but the fact is that unless a critical mass puts that kind of skin in the game and risks being tank-manned, we’re just going to keep playing kabuki Left-Right until… Read more »

      • When boomertards and conservatards cite the Declaration, the only part they can remember is “all men are created equal” (which, by the way, isn’t even the proposition, it is not a free-standing thought, it is only part one of a multi-part proposition). They seem to forget the parts about “When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary…” and, “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations evinces its design to reduce them under absolute tyranny…” And especially, they forget the part about “It is their Right, it is their Duty…” An intelligent reading of the document reveals… Read more »

          • Tax Slave said: “It implies…it’s high time to water the tree of liberty.” Ya know, if Thomes Jefferson were alive today. He’d say: ” You know that blood watering tree thing I was talking about? Yah well, given the present circumstances, I guess maybe we should try and find a work around.”

      • This is 2nd reference to “5PT”. I find your comments useful, but please forgive my ignorance. Google doesn’t seem to clarify the matter. What does “5PT” mean?

        • “5PT” means “Fifth Political Theory.”

          Essentially, it’s the idea that non-suicidial Whites will become their own distinct tribe and pursue collective interests in the same way other ethnicities do.

          The idea is that “good whites” will sluff off thru age and failure to breed/intermarriage, leaving behind only a core of ethnocentric Whites. Obviously, it’s a multi-generational ideal.

    • Americans need to understand the reality of gun control. It works in California (sort of) because they are all homosexuals, wiccans, socialists, hippies and other vibrant forms of marginal people. Plus, everyone ignores the criminals that commit crimes with guns, preferring to blame gun club stubfarts and Fudds instead. And that non-compliance is massive. Most people will not obey their gun laws, and most cops will not enforce them unless the boss is watching. Don’t be at all surprised if when the civil war starts – it starts in a blue state.

    • People want to believe. Most folks are both average and busy looking after everyday stuff. If anyone had been bothered they could have looked at either his, his daughter’s or his son-in-law’s political donations. The information is still available. There’s nothing to the right of McCain or Romney there. And much to the left (although in NYC you have to kowtow to certain people if you want to get on.)

    • some extreme NRA position It is red flag laws, not opposition to them, that is ‘extreme.’ And the threat of gun confiscation is NOT paranoid. A SCOTUS that can invent the ‘right’ to gay marriage can read anything into the 2nd amendment according to its ideological preferences. I didnt know this before but New Zealand had gun laws almost a free as the US. Until the Christchurch massacre. Now the cops are literally walking door to door down there. Australia in the 1990s, after a similar mass shooting, same story. In Europe people have been conditioned to accept that every… Read more »

  5. No good man wants to run for and serve as a politician. No good man can possibly register a material difference against the forces arrayed in opposition. No good man will ever be handed out from the truck again. That brand is history.

    • WHAT??!! You mean to tell me you were led astray, by the Most Smartest Man In The Universe?!

      B-b-b-but he’s a member of Mensa! He has a super-high IQ! He has written many books, about elves slaughtering goblins! How could he possibly fool you about Q! Maybe you weren’t paying attention, and he was really talking about IQ instead. Did I forget to mention how super-enormously high, his high IQ is?

      It’s really, really high. I think Neil Armstrong passed through it once, in orbit.

      We’re talking high.

      • I used to think that most of that was just an act he put on for the cellar dwellers … but after awhile it was pretty obvious that he had issues controlling his emotions. It’s too bad; he might have made a good voice for the disaffected young men that are being vilified by our pozzed culture. Mind you – he hasn’t crashed as badly as Spencer or Milo. Maybe if he grows up he might yet redeem himself.

        • I don’t agree with Vox on everything – just as I don’t agree with Zman on everything. Take the good and then leave without crapping in another man’s own blog. I am no acolyte of anyone – but I frequently mention things here I learned the truth of there.

        • Yes he does. But 6 months ago, Zman was his bete noir, right up there with Jordan Peterson. He’s mercurial, Vox is. It’s no use trying to figure out which way a guy like that will jump.

    • I never followed QAnon much, because I’m more of a “not c,” but I wasn’t aware it had been revealed to be a hoax. Can someone tell me why Larry and Z believe QAnon is a hoax?

      • Proof of the hoax would be nice, but I had my suspicions. I am embarrassed to admit that I watched several of the lengthy exegetical YT postings of a dude called Praying Medic, in which he parsed Q posts like a Talmudic scholar. My interest waned as I noticed that the day of reckoning was constantly being pushed out for no discernable reason, just like the Jehova’s Witnesses kept getting the date for Armageddon wrong until they shut up about it. As Z has suggested with today’s ice cream allegory, people are so hungry for real change that they’re primed… Read more »

      • The premise of Q-ology is as follows: – Trump is beleaguered in the Imperial Capital, and has resorted to communicating in coded messages with his trusted lieutenants in key places such as the intelligence community and the military; – One such patriot is Jeff Sessions, working methodically in the shadows to bring down the whole rotten cabal while putting up a senile front in public; – One or several top level MAGA operatives are posting messages on image boards to coordinate their efforts and keep the pedes at large abreast of what’s coming. You see, despite appearances, the constant cucking… Read more »

        • The few bits of Q that I saw quoted, read like something out of Nostradamus. “The Bad Man will arise, in either the East or South, his name starts with either H, M, or P, or maybe C, his Bad Minions will do Bad Things…”

          Then I woke up, and my legs were broken and my pillow was gone. And my copy of Tamerlaine the Great was really, REALLY dog-eared.

  6. Is a peaceful transition of power even possible anymore? Even the limited actions that Trump has attempted have all but been thwarted by The Resistance in the judiciary and federal agencies….not to mention what’s going on with the security apparatus of the state.

    It would take an electoral landslide I think to convince bureaucrats that it might be in their best interests to do what the head of the executive branch tells them to do, whether that head be Trump or Tucker Carlson or Kris Kobach or whoever.

    • The bureaucrats and politicians line their personal pockets with geld grifted from the current status quo system. No reasonable alternative offers anything compelling to them. Why would they support something that eliminates lining their own pockets? I think Trump understands this, so he calibrates his arguments and actions to operate around the edges of it, posturing without doing much that is meaningful at the core of it all. He is looking to find a way for the public to force the changes, without getting his own hands too dirty, and getting too out front. Now he is running out of… Read more »

      • They’ll change their minds once the post-2020 Permanent Racist Communist One Party State gets going in full gear. But of course by then it will be too late.

        Trump was the literal Last Chance to avoid a civil war, and he blew it.

        • Yes. Being murdered in the streets or placed in a concentration camp might tend to get some of the 40% of liberal whites attention.

  7. Trump was and is surrounded by GOP enemies looking to harm him. The Right needs to be active in the GOP with a view to taking it over within 5 years. The Left has successfully taken over the Dems….why can’t we do the same?

    • Precisely. That question used to be posed to the Libertarians a couple decades or so ago. The GOP always blamed them when they ran candidates on the Lib ticket for GOP loses in close races. In other words, the GOP arrogantly claimed to “own” the votes the Lib’s got. The GOP said to the Lib’s “join the GOP and place your candidates in our primaries”. So we did. Seems the GOP didn’t like that either (see Rand Paul).

      • When the Tea Party first arose, there was talk of creating a new, really conservative party. That raised wails of panic, and instead recommendations that the Tea Party simply take over the GOP. I mean, there it was, sitting there, with its strong brand name and organized presence across the country. A new party would just split the vote and the right wouldn’t be able to win an election for 20 years. Surely this was the more sensible course of action! Well, here it is, we’re halfway through those 20 years and the right STILL hasn’t won an election, since… Read more »

    • Right wing people can’t take over the GOP because a few thousand wealthy donors, who are pro-massive immigration and pro-outsourcing, determine who gets enough campaign money to run for office in the first place.

      You will never see anyone run who agrees with you because their funding will be overwhelmed by the funding given by small cliche of international cosmopolitans to GOP crypto-globalist anti-whites.

      • Also the right isn’t known to part with their money very easily either…Ask Z what the donations are compared to readership I bet it’s pretty small…

    • Why? Simple. Because the Left has more weapons – the academy, media, corporations, Hollywood, music. We need a sanctuary. A place to hole up. A homeland. A place we can defend. Kentucky? Tennessee? North. Carolina? South Carolina?

  8. We are never going to get anything meaningful out of Trump. That doesn’t mean he isn’t useful.

    He gets to be the big bad white man with the big bad brash twitter account. He has draw our enemies out of the shadows and force their hand into revealing themselves and their hatred of everything white. Even Yang is now openly on that bandwagon. The more of this the better. He’s destroying the cancerous middle.

    • We have to redpill on that. We have to put the New York Times headlines and left-wing Tweets right up to normie’s face and say, do you see how much they hate us? Do you see how much they hate you?

      • It still won’t matter – they won’t see because they don’t want to see. It’s too painful to accept that everything they believed was a lie, that humanity’s essential tribal nature remains unchanged, that their living amongst relative peace and plenty.is an historical anomaly, not the eternal norm.

  9. Trump made the mistake of listening to the Republican establishment. I recall Trump being a CPAC and making a major gaff of saying people care more about the economy than they do about guns. He also makes the mistake of thinking if he brags about black and mestizo unemployment, the press will stop hating him and calling him a racist. It’s not the economy, stupid. Nobody really thought Trump could reverse a 50 year credit bubble or even the then 9 year old “everything bubble” But when Richard Spencer and his gang of retards turned Charlottesville into a spectacle of… Read more »

    • We Cville retards did not turn on Trump after Cville. We supported him until it became clear that his border enforcement was worse than Obama’s.

      We went to Cville for a rally that had a legal permit. Up till Cville, no one knew that the police had orders to push us into Antifa and then let Antifa run wild. Cville demonstrated that terrible truth.

      • Everyone who criticizes C’ville forgets that the AltRight had been active in street protests, without negative blowback, throughout 2017. There was no reason to believe things would be different that fateful August day.

        Remember Nathan Damigo punching Moldylocks? Remember how it happened in Berkeley, and he wasn’t charged? Remember that he was a featured speaker at UTR and that his group (Identity Europa) made up the bulk of the marchers?

        Plenty of Monday Morning Quarterbacking of that event from people who can’t demonstrate in advance that they were against it.

        • Everyone with an ounce of sense was telling everyone not to do the retard rallies. It was obvious from the very start that sooner or later it was going to be a major problem. Rallies in general are good for the left because the left is the establishment and the press will ALWAYS hide their bad behavior and tell tall tales about the heroic protestors standing for what is good and right. This is how it has been for many decades. But the right kept getting lucky. This luck generally shielded what were obvious consequences. Of course, it was Spencer… Read more »

          • >>>Of course, it was Spencer who invited the Klan, TWP, Enoch and his group of retards to show up in Nazi uniforms and KKK shit. It was giant shit-show.
            I’m sorry, but Ray Charles could see it coming. <<<

            Congratulations on accepting everything Shlomo told you about that event. Guess all the “Nazis” and “KKK” were wearing invisibility cloaks.

          • The left was not always the establishment and the media. They gradually took it over since the late 19th century. Back in the late 19th early 20th century the left was just as despised a group of revolutionary malcontents (where we today are just dissidents), usually foreigners which was another strike against them, but in any such confrontation where they lost to the police, factory owners, etc, they never admitted it to be a loss. And if anything they were usually the provocateurs who played the victim doing their classic tactic of the leftist crying out in pain as he… Read more »

  10. “There is no issue more closely tied with white America than guns.” It’s definitely a rallying point for white, RURAL, FLYOVER, America, but I haven’t found this to be the case for the bulk of my white peers that gird the coasts. Having lived in several port cities on the east and west coasts, if our present low-intensity conflict goes hot then coastal urban/suburban whites are supremely ill-prepared. Even those who grasp reality and are armed will find they have no like-minded support from their progressive neighbors. Good strategy for coast-dwellers is to consider relocation, ricky-tick. You’re exactly right on… Read more »

    • I’ve come to the realization that self sorting is very important. The problem is you need an economic event in your life to do it. I live in CA. I need to be in an urban area for my career. I could transfer to Seattle but you’re not exactly leaving your politics behind there. It’s the same people just with cloud cover.
      It’s rare to have a career where you can just put down roots anywhere.

      • I hear you JR … been there, and I spent a 30-year career on the urban coast. But, the internet age has opened a myriad of options in the heartland. Another thing I learned is that you need much less income when you go to a state that’s not as prone to confiscation & plunder. My kids have now started entrepreneurial enterprises – they started at 16 yo – and have springboarded into unorthodox career paths that pay well in money & freedom. As for me, my income is less than half of what I made on the coast, but… Read more »

  11. I’ll stick with what I already told Greg Johnson at CC in reply to his statement that I was nuts for thinking Trump and the GOP haven’t been a net positive for the Dissident Right. The Jeb Bush version of Trump we’ve experienced has been a net control rod on dissent, while Hillary would have been a bigger-than-Obama catalyst. God Emperor Trump would have been a net plus, but that guy never showed up. I subsequently replied to Greg that I read Andrew Joyce’s piece on the Thatcher Effect at TOO last night, which more forcefully stated my position. Thatcher,… Read more »

    • Spot On. An outstanding summary of where my thoughts have evolved in the 18 months since the cuckbox broke and Trump went full MIGA. I did want to briefly address the top of Greg Johnson also. He has done an incredible amount of good for our movement, and Counter Currents remains a regular read. That being said, he seems to think we can persuade our way out of this situation in much the same way BoomerCons think we can vote our way out. I suspect that in 20 years he’ll still be waiting for Godot, while the world passes him… Read more »

      • I once asked Greg Johnson if he thought we can “persuade our way out of this.” He smiled and said, “If I had revolutionary plans, I wouldn’t talk about them.”

    • I lived in England during Thatcher’s term as PM. She rallied the traditionalist elements of the culture and offered a way forward (as Trump has done today over here), but, ultimately, not enough people were with her in any manner other than voting for her. Her core of hard-core and active supporters were few and scattered, and the institutional roadblocks to her agenda were many, well financed, well organized, and balls-to-the-wall on seeing her fail. Some things turned higher on the economic side, but others foundered as she restructured the nature of things, and people became frightened at all the… Read more »

  12. Z-man, sounds like you’re blaming the victim—in this case some of the folk reading this blog. This seems a recurrent theme that I suspect pops up when you’re having a bad day. One can fight the good fight, and still support Trump—at least to the point that shrill screams that he is a complete and total failure are countered with some more nuanced facts regarding the political process as we find it. It is tiresome. If you want to purge your readership of any and all who say a good or even neutral word wrt Trump, then just come out… Read more »

    • Characterizing dissent from plan-trusting and “If Stalin only knew”-ism as “childish rants” and tantrums doesn’t make the case for why anyone should still be wasting time defending Trump rather than looking for better solutions. I bought in as well and have no problem admitting I was conned. What good does it do anyone to make excuses like “he’s only one man” or “he’s better than Hillary” when we’re losing over and over again? This is the GOP’s script since I noticed politics and we’re never going to break out of this downward spiral of expectations unless and until we admit… Read more »

      • But we’re NOT “losing all over again”. That’s why the commie/Mohammadan left coalition has been having a three year tantrum. Just look at the clowns the Dems are running for president. Now that’s real fear.

      • I’ve noticed a significant overlap between the “plan trusters” and the “if we kick the can down the road, I’ll be dead and won’t have to worry about it” types.

    • If you read the Greg Johnson link he is not saying Trump should be ditched, he is saying there needs to be more push-back when he caves to leftie. He did that after the double shootings, on guns. And guns are a very good place to put the foot down. For the very simple reason that they directly concern personal, physical safety and that it takes a gun to defend against a gun (exceptional luck or skill in archery etc, excepted but irrelevant here). If guns are not a place to say no to Trump, what is?

  13. The film ‘Falling Down’ starring Michael Douglas. The story of a middle-class white collar working man suddenly cut from the moorings of his fragile economic and social strata, endures the humiliation and despair of being replaced as he literally walks through a landscape full of ugliness and savagery and predation, until he finally breaks, unleashing his rage upon the darkness he encounters as he tries to simply make his way home. But what breaks him is not that he is suddenly cast among the ronin of a dying empire, but rather the realization that his personal situation is just the… Read more »

    • He was triggered by a fly buzzing around his face. That’s what’s going to happen to our country. Some trigger event that will be like any other day. Then a reaction, then a reaction to that. and so one. The country is a room full of gas right now, waiting for a match.

  14. Trump’s biggest mistake was Jeff Sessions. It’s hard to go all Andrew Jackson on federal judges with an unlimited special counsel and team of crazed Democrat prosecutors hanging over your head for two years, waiting for any excuse to charge you. All Trump will be able to accomplish is a better judiciary, allowing domestic energy production and moving the Overton window on immigration. Trump is basically a middle finger in the dyke. The important thing is what comes next. My hunch is we will drift along for a decade or two until the brown tide swamps us. Our only hope… Read more »

  15. Engaging with conservative normies is the correct strategy. Bill Mitchell, the epitome of a normie Trump supporter, has very recently felt the heat on Twitter for supporting Trump’s latest gun control proposal. The patriotic folks are the easiest to convert. They’re already against mass immigration, even though their Conservative Inc leaders are for it. If they can lose their fear of the R word, it would make the job much easier.

    • Strong words in real life are important, too. Recently I’ve had a couple of guys I know going in for white-bashing Conservative Inc. talking points, and I just came back with, “look, man, I’m just not having this shit any more. We’ve got to stick up for ourselves and take our own side. There are a lot of people out there, including people in power, who would be happy to see us dead, and don’t pretend you don’t know that. Just fucking stop it with the attacks on our own guys.” This is very basic stuff for d-right guys, but… Read more »

  16. I enjoyed reading that because I am also getting awfully tired of bull-shit. Trump is burning daylight while the world is crashing. Guns HAVE to be our third rail. And where the hell is that wall??

  17. It’s a rock and a hard place. If we trust the plan, we will just get more of the same. If we ignore the political process, theres no one putting pressure on the GOP to do anything worthwhile cos everyone else is busy trusting the plan. Voting against the GOP is a vote to rapidly decline. Voting for the GOP is legitimizing your own destruction. Also it’s probably a vote for rapid decline as well. My initial thought was why not burn down the GOP and try to build something from the ashes. But it’s gotten so bad that the… Read more »

  18. Many people on this side who have a proven record of bad judgement are now certain that Trump will lose in 2020. Even some of the brighter bulbs, like Greg Johnson, have managed to persuade themselves of this. Granted, the summer’s events do seem to point in that direction. But much depends on who or what the Democrats end up nominating. And the outcome may hinge on other things that haven’t even happened yet, including some known unknowns and who knows how many unknown unknowns. For example, say someone or something rids us of Ginsburg, McConnell plays hardball, and the… Read more »

    • Trump is surrounded by yes men with an agenda of their own, which is to soothe him with reassurances so they can go about their business with as little disruption as possible, and a lefty daughter that he loves very much and thus will always listen to. He’s an old man who is as susceptible as any of us would be, to the temptation to believe what he’s hearing in his completely controlled bubble – everything’s okay, so he can relax. I really think he got what he wanted on January 20, 2017. The rest is just putting in time.

    • Trump losing in 2020 is far from a given. A good friend of mine, a traditional type of Democrat, is horrified at the Dem candidates. If the call for reparations and open border healthcare, and overall white-bashing continues, expect a Trump victory. There are still more white people (who tend to show up and vote) here than any other racial group.

      • That is probably something dissidents need to be mindful of too: what are our alternatives to Trump? Before we crucify him – look at what our alternatives are? For the life of me, all I see are cucks and craven morons that are Democrat Lite at best.

        • Yes, but what does “Democrat Lite” mean? Traditional Democrats have been unhappy with both mass immigration and free trade for far longer than anyone on the right, except perhaps for a handful of Paleocon outliers. What kept them on the reservation was precisely that same question: what are our alternatives? Until Trump, there was none. But his failures over the wall and border control may look different to those folks than they do to people around here. What Trump now seems to be doing is pursuing a triangulation strategy similar to what Clinton pursued in 1995-1996 after losing Congress. If… Read more »

    • I still think Trump can win. If he does gun control he’s finished, however. That’s one sin you don’t come back from.

      • I am not sure about that.

        Some sort of bullshit bill that he can sell in the suburbs may well be worth alienating the Gadsen-flagwavers, to whom he can truthfully say, “Après moi, le déluge.”

        • Vegetius said”… to whom he can truthfully say, “Après moi, le déluge.” Truthfully, I don’t think he could pronounce it. And MemeWarVet is right. You don’t f**k with the peoples guns and get reelected.

    • Over the last seventy years the presidency has ping ponged between the two parties in eight year intervals with one exception – Jimmy Carter’s loss in 1980. None of the current dem candidates is anywhere close to Reagan in shear political skill. Trump is no where near as lame and self destructive as Carter. And America is definitely not in the same place it was in 79. So odds are that Trump wins re-election based purely on social inertia.

      He could definitely fuck it up, but it’s not very likely.

  19. It all comes down to self respect. Even in the most meaningless act of voting. You always have to look at a politician square in the eyes and say “you’re my whore, I’m not your whore.” And you have to treat them like the whores they are. Trump showed his cards when he said that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his voters will still vote for him. The left had fun with that, but that’s really what he thinks of his base. And much of his base is like that. Waiting five or six hours in humidity… Read more »

    • Yes to self-respect. At the individual level men have to reclaim their frame. And then they have to resist becoming the whores in other aspects of their lives. It does little good to preach about community and to hold our whore reps accountable if we sell out a thousand times per day in order to ‘get ours’ or even ‘preserve our little slice’. I think that only happens if we go back to the root: blood and soil. As many here more wise than me have said, it will likely take separation. And then a dedication to something greater than… Read more »

      • Well Brother when you decide to make the move make sure you check out my area here in the Bitterroot and give me shout…

  20. Z – What is your existing counteroffer? Existing. Physically. Engage normies to offer… what? What that is actually real? You certainly expect a lot from a non dictator for 2.5 years. BTW. If you’re saying Orange Bad Man needs to have his feet held to the fire on gun control – they are. Same with the Wall. Realistic people however understand politics is power and this man has been fending off a coup. One more thing; as we have learned people with gains don’t voluntarily surrender them. That means if you want whitelandia back and white culture dominant again that… Read more »

    • You don’t see Trump putting the military on the border do you? He’ll put it on the Afghanistan border 10k miles away like two Presidents before him. Talk about irony. If immigration is the touchstone issue, and he is fending off a coup, who better to advise him than Jared Kuschner and is vapid imbecile daughter? “She’s just so smart!..she’s the smartest woman who ever lived…she has such good genes…..and she’s hot too…” I do appreciate the mean things he’s said to people and the careers he’s destroyed, that’s a plus. But then he rehabilitates mustached freak Bolton from the… Read more »

      • Trump has moved several mountains. As far as not being a dictator – he apparently doesn’t want to be one.

        He’s a one man party. Not a solid base for dictatorship. Truth is he has the country but the entire millions strong DC establishment is against him.

    • We’re already in a war and losing. The problem is most whites don’t see that the fight has been going on for some time and our side has it’s head up it’s ass. Slow mo genocides are hard to notice when all you care about is your 401k and “muh new pickup”. We are not getting out of this without bloodshed, the elites have made sure of that. They made it publicly clear they want us dead and gone. and so do their ethnic allies. As for the normies, they only understand pain and fear like they did during the… Read more »

  21. Trump moved MOUNTAINS. He single handedly dragged the topic of immigration, establishment corruption, media bias – into the mainstream when the establishment sought to bury it all. He did this in a political climate that ate idiots like Cerno and Spencer alive. Trump is still alive. Jeffry Epstein just died in prison, under a suicide watch. Those of you wanting to pay your respects can contact Bill Clinton for funeral arrangements. The rest are advised: our leaders are playing for keeps and they have skin in the game. If Spencer or Cerno ever became anything more than clowns you can… Read more »

    • The first smaller mass murders are already starting – and guess what, dissident – those are all YOUR fault!!!
      It won’t change until people start banding together to stop it…

  22. There are (IMO) three important issues: 2A, immigration, and pointless foreign wars. On only the last one (so far, knock wood) are we getting some sort of meaningful positive score. The rest of it is meaningless if we don’t get those three.

    • Isn’t that what Trump ran on? Then he proceeded to install more Goldman Sachs alumni than Obama, more Koch lobbyists, and more Neocons. Are you tired of winning yet?

  23. ‘Fish’ and ‘Sickle’ are two words that never should be combined! An unexpected morning emetic!

    But a sickle with a fish substituted for the Marxist hammer would be a perfect sort of secret wink, a useful semiotic in a world increasingly warranting communication by Samizdat. Promote it as the symbol of ‘Christian Marxism,’ but insiders would decode it as “Fishsickle, a totem not only for Hillary but any other hectoring shrew globohomo thrusts forth as ‘our leader.’

  24. Trump isn’t really our guy, he’s just a pause from the people who actively hate us. I think the pause will end in 2025 and all hell will break loose.

  25. Let’s pretend that the courts didn’t overturn almost everyone of his executive orders on immigration. Would you feel the same way? He’s tried everything he could without a cooperating congress. And where he hasn’t been stymied is the number of (legal) refugees the US is accepting – dropped by 10s of thousands. I can’t remember the exact number but it went down annually from about 100k to about 20k, because Trump. No court can overturn that, but it can be dialed way back up by not Trump. And thank God someone is standing up to China. You won’t believe it,… Read more »

  26. No US president in history – and I mean NO president – has ever been up against both the opposition party AND his own, the entire Media Establishment, the entire Corporotacracy, the entire Federal bureaucracy, and the entire education establishment the way this president has. I am simply amazed that Trump has been able to do anything. If we want to help Trump, we can start by not being just one more howling mob of disaffected citizens. If grabbing your toys and stomping off the playground is a viable strategy, please show me another playground we can go to. I… Read more »

    • Don’t we have to threaten Trump with the withdrawl of our support to prevent him from doing everything Jared and Ivanka tell him to do?

      • Line isn’t it also true, that it has to be a unified force with power to be effective in changing his mind and not just a bunch of separate voices…

    • Stop being a CivNat cuck. Trump hasn’t done anything legislatively for us period. Trump is no friend of ours period. He just plays one. I remember when he fled CA after his supporters were beaten to a pulp during a campaign rally in San Jose by mexican and Black goons brought in by the mayor and chief of police. Trump never said one word about that. He threw those people under the bus. Then in the WH he surrounds himself with swamp creatures and Neocons. For almost 3 years he said nothing about his supporters getting attacked in the streets… Read more »

  27. A few things. One, Trump must be called out as a con man. Some countries, like Italy and Hungary, got the real thing when they voted for a right-wing populist. But Trump just crudely and cynically pretended to be that in order to grift himself into office. Not only is he closer to the anti-whites than the whites; in truth he’s closer to Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho than a real statesman. He’s a third-world figure, an end-of-empire figure. But second, as John Derbyshire said out in 2016, even if Trump cucks (which is what happened), it will show… Read more »

    • Here’s Colin Crouch, in his 2004 book ‘Post-Democracy’: “…the rise of what I call post-democracy. Under this model, while elections certainly exist and can change governments, public electoral debate is a tightly controlled spectacle, managed by rival teams of professionals expert in the techniques of persuasion, and considering a small range of issues selected by those teams. The mass of citizens plays a passive, quiescent, even apathetic part, responding only to the signals given to them. Behind this spectacle of the electoral game, politics is really shaped in private by interaction between elected governments and elites that overwhelmingly represent business… Read more »

      • If the Dems are currently playing a professional game of political persuasion, I think their professionals are out to lunch.

        This situation is a lay up for them if they had their act together (shh, don’t tell anyone).

        • Both sides are part of the professional game. They are both part of liberalism. The liberal elite have blundered things in the past, but always come out on top. There’s no way out for us unless that whole game is broken. What will that take? I think it will take something extremely radical. I’m not optimistic that white middle class populists are up to the task. A WHOLE lot of them will have to be broken in the deepest recess of their soul, to be made extremely self-sacrificial, and then also steered in the right direction. We’re talking about making… Read more »

          • If the Western elite is made afraid, will they give us some of what we want or burn the house down instead? I am not sure of the right answer, but I would not assume away either of the two. They seem to have a habit of doubling down.

          • They liberal elite are not suicidal, they’re degenerate Last Man themselves. They’ll give up some of what we want (or exit the field, and attempt to marshal a counter-attack, depending on which part of the liberal elite we’re discussing, how money’d (jet-setting oligarchs for example) they are). Even getting to that point is an ENORMOUS challenge. The trajectory of things in South Africa, since apartheid ended (liberalism destroyed apartheid) and whites were rendered a minority in an open liberal democracy, seems to me instructive on what we can probably more or less expect from the mass of whites. There is… Read more »

          • By the way, what I am describing was already basically discerned by Oswald Spengler a century ago: If by “democracy” we mean the form which the Third Estate as such wishes to impart to public life as a whole, it must be concluded that democracy and plutocracy are the same thing under the two aspects of wish and actuality, theory and practice, knowing and doing. It is the tragic comedy of the world‑improvers’ and freedom‑teachers’ desperate fight against money that they are ipso facto assisting money to be effective. Respect for the big number—expressed in the principles of equality for… Read more »

  28. My biggest worry regarding Trump is that he is planning a war with Iran. In particular, I worry that he will boast of having avoided war with Iran during the election, and then find some causus belle in 2021 a lá Woodrow Wilson in 1916.

  29. Unless and until you’re talking openly, explicitly and forthrightly about Jews in the context of America’s political and social-economic troubles, then you aren’t really having a serious adult conversation.

    • The JQ should NOT be a taboo. But turning Jews into the omnipotent universal explanation for everything seems no less crazy than the clean slate. Besides this blog does not exactly dodge the JQ.

      • If the issue includes white-created American institutions being repurposed into anti-white cudgels, then the cause is Jews.

      • Have a look at this. It’s really hard to deny that the Frankfurt School’s goal of using “Polymorpheous Perversion” as a tool to destroy families and society isn’t being successfully achieved. https://www.academia.org/the-origins-of-political-correctness/ ” What the Frankfurt School essentially does is draw on both Marx and Freud in the 1930s to create this theory called Critical Theory. The term is ingenious because you’re tempted to ask, “What is the theory?” The theory is to criticize. The theory is that the way to bring down Western culture and the capitalist order is not to lay down an alternative. They explicitly refuse to… Read more »

        • The Frankfurt School are sick swine and most if not all of them were Jewish. Im not saying the factual contents of the JQ is the empty set if I may speak mathematice. I come from a very blue pill background on the JQ and I dont work that angle so much. I think Ive reached at least purple on it. But, I also think it is easy to overestimate the JQ. And to some ppl it becomes everything. Which I dont think it is.

          • The JQ is why we can’t fix things.

            Because we do not have political sovereignty in this country, they do.

            Political sovereignty is a zero sum game.

            If Whites were actually sovereign in their own countries, they’d be doing all sorts of stupid stuff on their own.

            But they could try and fix that stuff. We voted to try and fix immigration multiple times, but were not allowed.

            Instead, (((they’ve))) weaponized the stupid stuff White people were into and taken it to genocidal extremes.

            Sovereignty isn’t necessarily everything, but it’s a very, very important thing.

          • Decadence from Big Nosery and decadence from Liberal Democracy running its natural corrosive course are not mutually exclusive. It is a fact that Big Nose is found in statistical overabundance wherever and whenever subversion and perversion are afoot. It is also striking how our descent into degeneracy was eerily foretold by many astute writers, from Chateaubriand to Tocqueville to Nietzsche, none of whom were particularly concerned with Small Hat trickery. I take the view that Liberal Democracy and its social & moral ramifications have rendered us uniquely susceptible to the usual suspects’ age-old entryism and depredations by eating away at… Read more »

          • Bingo. Liberalism is an idea (mind) virus, highly contagious. It heavily appeals to people. It spreads, and who it cannot infect or corrupt, it can amass the power to overcome via force. It is an idea virus that unleashes historical forces that lead to our position today. The Catholic Church was once opposed to liberalism. Throne and Altar Europe and its descendants took up arms against it. The Church taught that the entirety of the world, including state, society, and culture, needed to be (traditional) Catholic to accord with God’s designs, and for the individual to have a maximal chance… Read more »

  30. My only significant criticism of Trump is that he has delayed hitting bottom. Had Hillary been elected, I have no doubt that we would see the revolution begin in our lifetime. I believe that we already passed the tipping point and no amount of talking/voting is going to prevent the inevitable crash and burn. There isn’t going to a white miracle that saves the day at the eleventh hour. Our foundational problem is not insufficient persuasion skill, it’s decline of the species. To fix that, you need a different environment; one that selects for ancestral fitness traits.

  31. For anyone who claims no border security is being built, despite total Democrat obstructionism:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMTZwAZVwGQ

    Long way from complete, but it’s growing. Don’t get hung up in whether it’s a “fence” or a “wall”. The point is that it is a BARRIER that’s now much harder to just run past or jump over. And don’t you like being able to see the enemy coming? I do…

  32. After reading all the comments, all I can say to Zman is “You’re a braver man than I, Gunga Din.” About 95% of the people utterly missed your point, pontificated on how if we just vote for x, or pass law y, or pursue strategy z, we can right the ship of state. Ignoring the fact that the state isn’t the nation, voting is futile in a rigged system that is also a multicultural kritarchy, and laws are merely words on paper. This is why I will not try to talk to normies or convince anyone – when even the… Read more »

    • I don’t think the majority of Z’s posters still hold to the ideals you’ve outlined. That being said a few, very vocal individuals still do.

      Were they born between 1946-63? Probably.

  33. Any analysis of problems & solutions that does not mention Jews is less than worthless. Is there any way to explain the transformation of Trump 2015 to Trump 2019 without citing Jewish power? White American society knows how to deal with someone who is obviously either 1) a member of that White American society that wants it to thrive, albeit with different ideas of how to make that happen. Or 2) an outsider to that society who wants to attack or exploit that society. However, White Americans are flummoxed by people who pretend to be White Americans to attack &… Read more »

  34. Trump is a figure of apocalyptic scale, the harbinger of the end of the age. The main thing about your apocalypses is that everything that was hidden is revealed. And that’s one thing Trump has brought, though he never intended it. Had Jeb or Rubio or Clinton won, things would have remained hidden, with the same old game played by conservative grifters; the white normies never warmed to Trump because they very much preferred to keep things occluded. The guys in GA-6, who sent Newt Gingrich to Congress back in the day, are all Director of Regional Marketing for some… Read more »

  35. “Suicide watch”, all you need to know about government competence.

    Don’t fold on 2A. Don’t excuse those who do. When you need your gun, you need it desperately.

  36. Damn, I am sorry I showed up late to this one. Anyway, the problem with a focus on persuading conservative normie Trump supporters is that even if you succeeded, you’d end up with… conservative normie Trump supporters in your camp. Imagine for a moment that Trump-ism had been a real movement, that would have succeeded or failed on the basis of conservative normie Trump supporters making effective plays in conventional, poly sci 401 kinda politics. Trump-ism would have failed, because conservative normie Trump supporters just trusted the plan and got co-opted by various non-ideological grifters and weird hoaxes. That is… Read more »

  37. Regarding the normies, I have a tale to recount here that may be instructive. I hope so. About 15 years ago I attended a lolbertarian conference in London. One of the guest speakers was a veteran homo rights campaigner. I remember very well the story he told of his activist life and the parallels that I now see with Causa Nostra. This guy started campaigning in the late 1960’s at just about the time that homosexuality was decriminalized in Britain. He was one of a small group of dedicated homo activists campaigning for equal rights and with very little success.… Read more »

    • Outstanding post. I agree we’re at the “Studio 54” point in your analogy.

      That being said, it’s important to remember that they had friends in high places which we won’t.

  38. This is an emotional, kneejerk reaction article. Obama takes our national debt from 8 trillion to 20 trillion, raises environmental restrictions on business, and starts an anti-white, anti-police PR campaign, and you say he was better than Bush? Hillary threatens war with Russia on 3 occasions, and you’re not sure if Trump was a better choice? Have you not seen our GDP, stock market, and employment rate? Plenty of wall is being built, i see massive reconstruction in San Diego where I work. Trumps no savior, but keep in mind Obama won because conservatives stayed home out of “principle.” Look… Read more »

    • david said: ” Liberal women show up to vote for their free abortions rain or shine, while conservatives boycott voting to prove some kind of point.” Conservative principles have always been a ball and chain around the ankle of realistic political action. It’s like that numbskill Millard Fillmore, the 13th President of the United States liked to say. ” An honorable defeat is better than a dishonorable victory.” I mean seriously, what an asshole.

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