Failure Analysis: Charlottesville

Failure analysis is probably the most important component of progress in any area of human endeavor. Figuring out what went wrong, why it went wrong and then scheming how to prevent it from happening again, is how we move forward in business, science, technology and even social organization. After every election, the losing party goes through a period of self-examination in order to figure out why they lost. The old line about learning more from failure than success is true, as long as you actually learn something.

With Joe Biden launching his campaign in Charlottesville, now is a good time to examine the catastrophe of the Unite the Right rally in 2017. Now, the first thing to note that from the point of view of the Left, this was a great success. Almost two years on, it remains an emotional rallying point for all of the tribes in the fight against whiteness. It is why very old white man Joe Biden picked it for his campaign announcement. He wanted to let those tribes know that he is their man, despite his noticeable lack of vibrancy.

That is an important lesson of this event. Activism is always about rallying your side and depressing the other side. Everything else is secondary. Most of the dissident right is happy to forget about this event, while the Left has made it one of the key events in their narrative. Put the phrase “Unite the Right” into a search engine and you first get the Wikipedia page describing it as a rally by the worst people. An image search returns pics of Nazis and noble non-whites. For the Left, Charlottesville was a triumph.

That is the first lesson of the event. It was a failure. Many involved have yet to come to terms with that reality. Instead, they keep working to correct the record about what happened and who was responsible. This recent live stream by Richard Spencer is a good example. The fact that they keep thinking the facts matter says they still don’t understand what happened. To the Left, the facts are unimportant. What matters is they have martyrs and they have a bloody shirt to wave around.

Therein lies another lesson. For too many in dissident politics, this obsession with applying the blue pencil to the Left’s myth-making remains a liability. Conservatives have always fallen into this trap. While the Left is performing yet another morality tale, the Right is busy editing the script for accuracy. In politics, factual accuracy is only important if it advances the narrative. What matters, what always matters, is convincing the public that your version of reality is the most pleasing. The facts are just part of the set.

Beyond accepting that it was a disaster for our side, however you wish to define it, the question is why did it happen? Part of it was the people involved got caught up in the moment, so they stopped thinking. They really thought they were in one of those great periods of transition. Eric Striker actually makes that point in this episode of his podcast at around the 55-minute mark. Before the event, Spencer had posted his version of the Port Huron Statement. They thought the revolution was happening.

Another reason the event turned into a great piece of propaganda for the Left and a disaster for the Right is the organizers made the classic error of thinking the Left would abide by its own stated rules. This never happens, as the Left sees rules, laws and principles as conveniences that further their efforts. The laws are like the New York subway system. You get on and off as necessary. It is a means to an end, not an end in itself. For the Left, winning is always the end. They will never let the rules get in the way.

Conservatives have been making this mistake for as long as anyone reading this has been alive. American right-wingers always assume the Left has practical, tangible motivations and that they will abide by their own rules. After all, conservatives have practical goals and always play by the rules. You’ll notice that all of those Virginia democrats caught up in the black face scandal are still in their jobs. Even the serial attacker, Justin Fairfax, is still in his job. In the fight with the Left, there are no rules.

One lesson many on the alt-right have learned from the event is that all the people flying the “pro-white” banner are not the same. Those older groups, what is often called White Nationalism 1.0, are incompatible with the modern movements. Those guys remain stuck in the past, determined to remain in a sub-culture that operates on the fringes. Many of them are simply crazy or violent. There’s no need to disavow these people, but if you’re going to build something new, you have to break free from the past.

Charlottesville is a great example of why outsider movements need to first build small, in real life organizations. Holding a big public rally looks cool and gets a lot of attention, but it also draws a lot of lunatics and weirdos. In person organizing, especially in small groups, allows for careful vetting. If Jason Kessler had to apprentice in a local group for a couple of years, he never could have talked people into his venture. The goofballs with the Hitler flags could never get in front of the cameras at an alt-right event.

That’s the most important lesson of Charlottesville. Every war is a media war. This low-grade civil war in the West is about imagery and narrative. In Charlottesville, the Right allowed the Left to control the production, so they could control the narrative and the imagery. Future activism must always confound the preferred narrative, thus putting the Left on the defensive. The media organs of the Left are big and powerful, but they are not nimble or adaptive. That can be used against them with clever activism.

This AIM action over the weekend is a great example. Those aging commies in the audience were ready to celebrate their edginess until a bunch of young guys turned up to heckle and mock them. Instead of trading made up stories about their days fighting the man, they were being mocked as the man. The subsequent news stories sound like something to come from the Soviet press in the old days. The only thing missing from the reports are the words “hooliganism” and “running dog lackeys.”

In time, the tank will run dry on Charlottesville and it will cease to be a bloody shirt for the Progressive mobs. The lessons though can never be forgotten by dissidents trying to build an alternative to the current order. Mistakes have consequences. One of those consequences must be shrewder leaders and better strategies. Otherwise, the dissident right will follow the conservatives into the same dead end. The difference is there will be no cushy think tank jobs waiting for the losers of this political fight.

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George Orwell
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George Orwell

“While the Left is performing yet another morality tale, the Right is busy editing the script for accuracy. In politics, factual accuracy is only important if it advances the narrative.”

Perhaps this is one of the most important things to understand, and one of the hardest things to explain to normies. This relates as well to Zman’s previously stated point that principles are for winners; they materialize ex post facto.

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You can just see Bushbot civnats in response turning up their noses in disdain and sniffing about “the need for fairness and tolerance.”

Wkathman
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Wkathman

Another excellent article by Z-man. The dissident Right should copy the dominant Left by embracing the “flexibility” of rules and principles. Winning is the only principle that ultimately matters. Large public protests are unlikely to succeed because the Left owns that platform. But there are smaller acts of insurrection — the “It’s okay to be white” fliers, for instance — that can make inroads and incite the other side into spasms of self-defeating hysteria. The Internet remains our safest battleground for the time being, regardless of all the censorship. Forget about fighting fair. Fight smart instead.

Exile
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Exile

The standard response-trope would be “it’s not worth winning at the cost of your soul,” “becoming the enemy” blah-blah. It’s a slippery slope fallacy. We can and must draw lines and dig in our heels where appropriate when balancing between winning at all costs and muh principles. The more I look at history from the D-Right perspective, the more I see how Americans are uniquely susceptible to “all or nothing” moral arguments and their slippery slopes. I blame post-medieval “Judeo-Christianity,” Protestantism, the Tribe and the Second Founding, among other things, but binary moralism is definitely “our thing” in America –… Read more »

The Babe
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The Babe

This reminds me of the opening of the old movie The Last Boy Scout.

During the game, a player on one team pulls a gun out of his uni and literally starts shooting players on the other team.

“Conservatives” are like players on the other team who, after the opponent has shot several of them, continue to follow the rules about no holding, no blocking below the waist, etc.

They don’t realize that when the player on the other team is literally shooting you, you don’t have to play by the rules any more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW4Y6mpCXgQ

Mencken Libertarian
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Mencken Libertarian

Just remember that when the corporate media report on the incident, they will conveniently leave out the part where the player on the other team starts shooting first. Obviously, this raises an interesting question.

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
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Because–to put it bluntly–they are stupid and because they share with leftists the immutable characteristic of being *totally* self-unaware. I have had some success in getting them to lapse into what I hope is a thoughtful silence–at least they fall silent when I say this–by saying that the left is “totally committed to total victory.”

AltitudeZero
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Yes, the Conservative Incorporated Right always acts as if they are talking about the Ten Commandments or some eternal moral rectitude when they talk about “Principles”, but in almost all cases, it turns out that the “principles” are something that was not considered immoral until the Left or the Neocons (but I repeat myself) declared it as such less than twenty years ago, like “Thou Shalt Not Question Free Trade”, or “The Market Is Always Right”, or “Thou Shalt Not Question The Blank Slate”. As for things actually prohibited by traditional morality, such as murder, adultery, and sodomy, they seem… Read more »

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
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Yep. One of the immutable characteristics that “conservatives” invariably share with leftists is that they are *totally* self-unaware. TOTALLY. It’s almost as though they don’t live inside their own bodies; that their “minds” are in storage somewhere. They simply can NOT see or hear themselves.

King Tut
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Seems to me that trying to persuade the normies and boomercons to fight diry is every bit as futile and emotionally draining as trying to persuade the lefties to play nicely and follow the rules. Maybe it’s time to accept the things that you can’t change and muster the courage to tackle the things that you can change.

Primi Pilus
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I don’t know that the “normies” have to fight dirty. I think they just have to fight …. within whatever parameters / limitations might constrain (and define) them as a group. The key is for them to be brought to an understanding of the nature of the threat we face — for them to see who and what constitutes the real threat to what they hold dear. Like at Cowpens — don’t demand of them what they can’t give. We have to get them to see, understand the urgency, and then to deliver whatever they can to our overall effort… Read more »

Saml Adams
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Saml Adams

My 5x grandfather was 57 years old at Saratoga. But was also an experienced militia officer from the F&I War. You are right, they didn’t stand and fight in the line, but effectively harassed the British flanks in the style learned on the frontier. Everyone needs to figure out the thing they can do. Quietly and effectively.

Tykebomb
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Charlottesville was a case of a guerrilla movement mis-timing its advance into stage two. As a result, the guerrilla movement lost bases and was, arguably, shattered. The strategy needed is the same as a first stage Mao-style guerilla movement, but with non-violent tactics. Hit hard and hit fast before the occupying power can muster a response and NEVER get caught in an open fight. Build bases of support from rural citizens in rural places. State capture is the process of supplanting government functions with your own institutions. With the hinterland being abandoned by Democrats and religion failing, a white nationalist… Read more »

Primi Pilus
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Primi Pilus

Anecdotal observation: Driving weekend last on less-traveled road through remote and rural southern Virginia heading westbound toward the Blue Ridge. Heavy evidence of civic nationalist tradition here — older, neatly-kept houses from era circa 1890s to 1920s; obsessively trimmed grass (so many riding mowers); working class lifestyles, small farm steads; much evidence of hunting, gun ownership and military service; American flags at a large number of these places …. many on free-standing poles. And a surprising number of Confederate battle flags were being flown alone or in concert with the stars and stripes. My friend who transplanted here many years… Read more »

Bob
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Bob

“A vision and a plan.”
Is there a way to express our ideals in such a way that doesn’t scare the civnat, while also not embracing anything Leftist? Perhaps, “Free men aren’t equal. Equal men aren’t free.”
We might not want to run around saying blacks and whites can’t live together peacefully, but we don’t want to let anyone think we’re color blind.

Primi Pilus
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Primi Pilus

I just don’t know. I assume there is — some combination of message, delivery and supporting imagery/mythos. I just don’t have that gift for the turn of a phrase, so I have not been able to turn up the pithy construction. Wracking my brain, though. Yes to your last — it’s 60/30 population breakout where I’m paused at now. At least for now — greased by old Southern manners and a belief in courtesy — it’s working. Who knows if any pressure is applied, or if the LEFT is able to fully set this thing ablaze.

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
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I think it depends on whom you are speaking to at a given moment. If a stranger in passing–at a gas station or grocery store–you might indeed use “Free men are not equal, and equal men are not free” if your interlocutor seems able to understand what that means without an explanation. If not, then don’t say it. It’s just a stranger crossing your path. But it’s when you are talking to somebody you know–at least a little bit–and have talked to before, if only once; someone with whom you have some degree of rapport; some degree of trust. Once… Read more »

Bob
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Bob

Thank you

Cerulean
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Cerulean

Bob, here’s a repeat of a comment I made yesterday. It’s a good starting point. It will appeal to your friends’ sense of fairness. This is the exact opposite of what the Left has been teaching and doing for years, as they have abused people’s desire to be fair:

IF something is moral for one group to do or believe for themselves, then it is moral for all groups to do and believe for themselves.

Hoyos
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Hoyos

Pertaining to your last sentence. Talking to some I feel like I’m talking to a mirror image leftist, where if you’re not a communist you must be nazi. In this case, unless I’m full blown white supremacist and “name the Jew” than I must be a CivNat cuck. The reddest areas of Italy became the blackest in the 20s, red to brown in Germany as well. The choices can’t be “race is everything(left)” or “race is everything(‘right’)”.

Primi Pilus
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Primi Pilus

Yes …. they’re often not particularly discerning. That was part of their strength. they just believed, and still do. It worked when we were a 90% culture … it allowed us to do tremendous things. Now, perhaps, it’s a liability. They don’t want to let go. They can’t. Legacy America was something they either actively loved, or at least were so comfortable with that they could conceive of nothing else. They were taught something, and that’s the was it was — now and forever; Amen. One can’t really blame them. It’s asking a lot to expect them to make the… Read more »

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
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Wow. We were typing at the same time–and saying the same things. Civnats can’t let go of the familiar; they can’t admit the truth out loud, even though they know the truth quite well.

Primi Pilus
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Yes, I think they do know. I do believe that there are many, many more of them who are aware of the gravity of the situation than this group might realize, and certainly many more than the left wants to acknowledge. As I said, I’m one of them by nature. I travel to the places they inhabit (more comfortable there than among many of those colleagues with whom I passed my professional life). I drive the back roads, go to the un-sexy places, seek them out, tease out opinions. They answer me I think because they see I’m sympathetic, and… Read more »

Primi Pilus
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Primi Pilus

PS: If one says “nothing”, which it often seems, he just might be wrong. They did vote for Trump.

Hoyos
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Hoyos

Coincidentally my father got out at O-5 as well.

Tykebomb
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Tykebomb

We have been ruled by the Quaker-Puritan alliance for a long time. Thanksgiving, city on the hill, the ideological nation, all these ideas are from the english settlers of Yankeedom. America was founded by two types of people, the men founding religious Zion in a new land and British subjects who wanted to live as they had for thousands of years but in the plenty of the new world. These two worlds demarcate at Maryland-Pennsylvania, but it has fluctuated north and south, east and west since the 17th century. We need a new vision of America that embraces Jamestown and… Read more »

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Good luck with that. Those fanatics will have to be physically suppressed. The 48ers they imported from Europe were a good fit for their level of fanaticism. They walk among us.

Primi Pilus
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Primi Pilus

Same wise friend I reference above quoted G.K. Chesterton the other morning on daily walk: “Puritans pour righteous indignation into all the wrong things.”

This friend is a recognized SME on aspects of America’s founding, and on founders. He affirms that we now live under Puritanism run amok. Interestingly, he’s also recognized for insight on propaganda and ‘pre-wwII German culture.’

Normie
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Here I always thought the Bible Belters were the phony moral authority… nothings more disturbing than a Babtist explaing the world as they see it…

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
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Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman

Great post! Extremely valuable. Good, clear, practical thinking. Thought-provoking. Many thanks!

Nikk
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Nikk

Dissing CivNats is less important than reforming them into something effective while utterly cutting out the cucked ‘leadership’ that has proven completely incapable.

Tim
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Tim

Not totally OT….I like John River’s suggestion to fly an old style Betsy Ross flag, the one with 13 stars. Already got one, it’s going up on flag day.

Exile
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Exile

I fell for UTR like I fell for the Tea Party – we were the revolution and it was in progress, Americans taking to the streets to take back their country. I think UTR finally cured me of this naivete. Z hits the right notes here – street protests are the Left’s forte in America. A large portion of Right-sympathetic Americans disdain protest culture in general (“we have day jobs” etc). Worse yet, the other side now owns both the media and the cops. In Woke America, dissident Right street protesters = Tiananmen Tank Guy. I’m taking tactical advice more… Read more »

Johannes Topp
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The UTR got permits, and coordinated with police to make this event secure. In the end the police betrayed them, and practically set up the chaos that happened. It’s fashionable today, for both Left and Right, to compare current America with the Weimar Republik. I think those comparisons are way overblown. However, additionally there is a fundamental difference. In Weimar, the institutions, especially Justice and Education, were on the Right. Today in America, those same institutions are controlled by the Left. We can’t forget that, or ever trust them. In drawing comparisons, we need to remember that we are not… Read more »

Vegetius
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Vegetius

If only they had gone home after the torchlight bit!

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

That would have played wonderfully upon the fears of the American Left. They are constantly terrified of the big bad “nahtzees” under the bed.

It would have proved that the Dissident Right is capable of organizing public demonstrations with the resistance being incapable of mobilizing fast enough to intercept.

Compsci
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Compsci

I’ll admit, the optics of the event were terrible as a whole, but how to avoid? I agree with you Z-man, but what I saw and understood (and I can be corrected here) was that for every asshole/crazy “rightest”—you know those loser morons in a Nazi uniform—there certainly was an AntiFa in a mask with a weapon. But of course the “news” only filmed the wannabe Nazi losers of the group. I also note that the Nazi losers set up camp (protest) away from the other “normal” folk trying to express themselves wrt the issue at hand. So how does… Read more »

Chris_Lutz
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As Z-man said, it starts with tight vetting.

Next though, whatever is done, it has to be lightning raids. You get in, do your damage, and leave. Holding a two day event is an invitation to a pitched battle where the establishment has all of the advantages.

The other thing is we really need to start identifying the opposition leadership at the local level. Knowing who is in charge is always important.

Compsci
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Compsci

That would seem to work with flash or illegal protests, but of a larger scale such protest requires permitting and perhaps more organization/time for travel and assembly. This might keep them smallish and infrequent. Still newsworthy perhaps, but MSM is not our friend. Seems an ideal way for them to paint us as small and extreme. This is not to detract from individualistic efforts like the “It’s OK to be White Flyers”, but for demonstrating strength…?

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
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Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman

A great demo of strength would be something along the lines of the (original) movie “The Day the Earth Stood Still.” But I admit that organizing something like a power shutdown to a city for an hour or so would be hard to manage. But imagine the reaction!

Unwashed Mass
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Unwashed Mass

After establishing many small anonymous groups and gaining the sympathy of normies, a Western or White-Out would also be devestating. Lotta work but watta goal!

Roger U
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“. Seems an ideal way for them to paint us as small and extreme. ”

What if there were 50 small, coordinated rallies all across the country on the same day?

Gravity Denier
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Gravity Denier

This might keep them smallish and infrequent.

But small and infrequent is a winning strategy. Sudden, seemingly spontaneous, unpredictable demos give us the advantage.

Antifa doesn’t have reflexes quick enough to respond to them the way they can to a long-planned, publicized demo. Any potential sympathizers among the normies can draw their own conclusions before the Left reacts. The Lying Media don’t have the resources to cover many small events like they can mass protests.

This is guerilla warfare. We meet them head-on, we lose. We strike unpredictably, in-and-out, we win.

Unwashed Mass
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Unwashed Mass

It would seem that legal/ permitted protest aren’t the best way to go.
For example, do the Yellow Vests in France apply for permits? Does antifa? Do soccer hooligans? Yet all are of a flash mob variety, and also to be reckoned with by virtue of their formations.

Calsdad
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Calsdad

If you’re going to make the assertion that your enemies control the organizations that would give you those permits – why would you assume that an organized protest is a good idea in the first place ? So you go and apply for a permit for some “White people are ok too” rally. They’d likely have to allow it – as long as no overt rules were being broken. But you can rest assured that as soon as the permit is submitted – some left winger working in said permitting organization – is going to alerting all their comrades as… Read more »

Calsdad
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Calsdad

“It’s OK to be White” banners do not have to be an individualistic effort. Some sort of underground campaign to put the signs up in as many places as possible on a given day – would surely send the lefties for a loop if they woke up that day and found “It’s OK to be white!” banners hanging from the highway overpass on the way to work, pasted to the lampposts ALL OVER their blue city, sitting on their desk at work in the size of a business card – and showing up in random spam email when they got… Read more »

Educated.Redneck
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Educated.Redneck

Compsci: you confuse numbers with strength. The organization, planning, coordination, training, control, and proper tactics used to execute well-documented and then properly publicized publicity stunts demonstrates a much more terrifying opponent than a large number of fat NEETs wearing German nationalist garb that get btfo’d on national TV. Think 4th generation warfare, not 1st gen.

Unknownsailor
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Unknownsailor

Identifying local leadership should be done anyway, for when (not if) things go kinetic. Local “reporters,” far left professors, local DNC party apparatchiks, local activists, the list is long.

Educated.Redneck
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Educated.Redneck

I always found it amusing that the LARPers playing at being Sturm Abteilung were completely unable to follow their heros’ literal description.

King Tut
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King Tut

You have to work on the assumption that anyone waving swastikas and zeig-heiling is either an agent provocateur or an undercover cop. Avoid like plague. Much of the time you will turn out to be right anyway.

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bpromethiusb

better than that, carry around a stencil and a couple of cans of paint, and hold any nazi larpers still long enough to paint “antifa provacateur” or some such on their jacket or somewhere. 2 or 3 episodes of mass tagging them would cure it.

Yves Vannes
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Cville was a necessary failure. Before Trump no one thought we were going to politic our way out of our problems. Trump gets elected and the Alt Right begins holding what were essentially campaign rallies. Cville was a kick in the teeth that brought people back from fantasyland. At least most of them. After the initial shock, whites waking up to our collective long term problems has grown and grown. This was inevitable. Put the subject on the table and people begin to pay attention. Most of this growth probably has very little to do with what we’ve done. The… Read more »

Normie
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I disagree. If Whites are going to have any chance of having viability they can’t be 55 45. This article is a great visual: https://www.axios.com/when-american-minorities-become-the-majority-d8b3ee00-e4f3-4993-8481-93a290fdb057.html .

Yves Vannes
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There is no way that we are ever going to attract a comfortable majority. At least 1/3 of whites (I mean the men, women don’t matter) will never see it our way no matter how bad things get. We need a plurality of men who agree and are willing to act. The costs of keeping us around will be too steep and too disruptive for our enemies. They will agree to separate things go south. Most of our tribe will simply flow with the events. We are herd animals after all. When we get to that fracture point, those of… Read more »

Normie
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I guess I look at things from a Political view. Saying that women and Urban whites don’t matter seems like a losing battle and a lost battle in 10 years according to demographics.

Exile
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Exile

Check out the June 2018 issue of the Atlantic re the 25% tipping point for minority viewpoints to become mainstream. Very achievable number, particularly if we don’t purity spiral into fascist paganism. The actual Muslim population in many old school Islamic polities was minority, sometimes 20%. Robert Spencer hits on this a lot, they preferred to have lots of jizya payers & fewer true believers. That 20%+ just has to hold the line.

Roger U
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Pretty sure the U.S.has passed the 25% minority threshold.

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

By most estimates, about 1/3-2/5 of the American colonists supported the Revolutionary War. A much smaller percentage, 3% was actively engaged in the fighting. Then at the Constitutional Convention, the delegates were only tasked with reforming the Articles of Confederation. They exceeded their mandate, wrote a new constitution, and presented it as fait accompli to their states to vote on. The idea that you need a majority is a myth written by the descendants of the winners to justify thrmselves. Women follow winners. Plenty of French women slept with the Germans. Lots of French women enthusiastically “thanked” the GI’s.

Normie
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Thats asuming violence. I dont want that, and neither does 99% of whites.

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
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Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman

Thanks for that link.

Rcocean
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Rcocean

Here’s another lesson. Doing nothing is better than doing something stupid and counter-productive.

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Christian_Schulzke

It’s tempting to write off the mistakes of Charlottesville as stemming from naïveté, however, it is clear from Spencer’s recent remarks that he hasn’t learned anything from the debacle.

Bob
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Bob

I vaguely remember one of the organizers being a recent convert, who’d voted for Obama twice. Sounds fishy, in addition to dumb.

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

That was Jason Kessler. He seemed to come from out of nowhere to organize the event. And now you don’t hear about him much.

PapayaSF
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PapayaSF

That does deserve to be pointed out. I’m not one to scream “false flag,” but it felt odd. It was also odd to see all the fresh-out-of-the-package Nazi and Confederate flags, some carried by guys who looked a bit too clean-cut, if you know what I mean. So I would not be surprised if it included agent provocateurs and FBI agents. All political demonstrations include nuts, and the bad luck was that one of them killed a woman and thus gave a martyr to the side that sees killer Nazis everywhere.

chedolf
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chedolf

It was also odd to see all the fresh-out-of-the-package Nazi and Confederate flags…

There was exactly 1 guy with a Nazi flag at UTR (flag was brand new with fold creases, as you note). He didn’t seem to be with or know anyone.

He also showed up at a save-the-statue rally in another state a few months prior. There’s video of him trying to provoke counter-protestors by theatrically flashing the OK sign at them, like he learned how to play “right wing agitator” by studying Cerno’s twitter.

Retard or fed? Hard to say which is more likely.

Roger U
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‘and the bad luck was that one of them killed a woman and thus gave a martyr to the side that sees killer Nazis everywhere.”

Just to be autistic,Fields didn’t actually hit Heyer, he hit a car that hit a van that rolled into her as she walked by. Cause of death was heart attack, if I recall. His conviction for first degree murder is kangaroo court bull shit.

PapayaSF
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PapayaSF

She was a land whale who smoked menthols, so I suspect she was an early death waiting to happen.

Member

Nonsense.

You can see her head over the roof of the Challenger just before Fields struck her. She suffered a crushed chest and a torn aorta.

The “heart attack” nonsense came from what her mother said immediately after. Evidently she misunderstood what she’d been told of her saughter’s injuries.

Exile
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Exile

I’ve tried to live by “no enemies to the right” but he makes that harder then it should be more often than he should. He’s always struck me as one of those guys who is more interested in being the leader of something than achieving a group’s objectives. Call it leadership for the sake of leadership or call it attention-whoring. IIRC, he started off in normie right-wing politics. I don’t know the guy, and he’s had his good moments, but he’s always struck me as a climber, wanna-be Thought Leader. Rapidly becoming Yesterday’s Man in any case

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Bruno the Arrogant

Yeah, Spencer seems to be turning into the William F. Buckley of the alt-right. These days, he mostly seems interested in fawning over left-wing politicians and attacking the people who can actually help him out. I think Spencer and the alt-right have largely had their moment. There seems to have been an expectation that the alt-right would evolve into some kind of political institution, but I’ve never seen that as their role. Their job was simply to make a lot of noise, get a lot of attention, and get people talking about white identity politics. Which they did. Nothing else… Read more »

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

Demographics are changing so fast, and Team Brown is going to vote Dem, along with the cat-lady white women, and the soyboys and tattooed, blue hair young girls, and leftist college professors. Nothing can be done to convince those people, no matter how much Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens point out Dems R the Real Racists and full of hypocrisy. The Clown World strategy, as a way to mock and ridicule the left, seems like an good effort to get normal Dems, which there are still a lot of, to abandon their party. Something like Charlottesville, with all the unappealing… Read more »

Rcocean
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Rcocean

A lot of the alt-right or extreme right or whoever, act is such a dumb manner, you often wonder, are they that stupid? Or are they on the other side? And then, you wonder how many “secret agents” were in that Alt-right march, trying to stir something up? We now know that many of those 1960’s KKK members, were actually FBI agents!

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

That one guy who was photographed with the Nazi flag, with the creases like it was just unpacked out of a box, nobody to this day knows who he is. It’s not surprising at all if he was planted there. Why wouldn’t they?

the Russians
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in recent efforts in Canada, gov’t (spy) infiltration of “extreme right” groups occasionally reached 50%

The Babe
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The Babe

An obstacle is that leftism, because of its nature and doctrines, systematically selects for sociopathy, while rightism systematically attracts principled people. Older political divisions–regional, say–would leave two sides with roughly the same sociopath-to-principled bell curves. But now one party’s bell curve is loaded up on the sociopath side, the other on the principled side. We have what you might call the Principles Problem, a fundamental dilemma of our thing. Which is, people who are more naturally principled have to in effect stop being themselves in order to win, while the unprincipled can just continue to do what comes natural. But… Read more »

Compsci
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Compsci

Babe, agreed. But you need to write a training manual for such ala “Steal This Book” by Abbie Hoffman. That’s my frustration here. I agree in spirit with Z-man, but I am at a loss as where/how to effectively start the process of resistance. Seems we get a lot of “what not to do”—such as “blue pencil”, don’t bother with organized protest ala Charlottesville, forget about winning through the political process, etc. In short, I feel that I am being told that all my natural inclinations (decent, moral, ethical inclinations built over a lifetime of experience) are insufficient—even counterproductive to… Read more »

Roger U
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“In short, I feel that I am being told that all my natural inclinations (decent, moral, ethical inclinations built over a lifetime of experience) are insufficient—even counterproductive to the stated goal.” This, I think, is absolutely correct. The game (or war) we’re contesting is not a moral one. We cannot play the game, the risk of becoming an amoral might-makes-right sociopath is real, but we must resist. To organize and act publicly is to play by the rules so we can’t do that. I think ours has to be a private rebellion; an insulated counter culture. We need IRL groups… Read more »

Compsci
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Compsci

I understand, I really do. What I meant to convey is not that my former inclinations are right/moral/correct and need to be adhered to by others, but that I have no framework of understanding behavior *outside* of these parameters—even though I agree that such change is probably necessary for success (what the hell, we’ve done everything else). I think we all can agree that this is one of the problems with “normies”. I chose these words carefully. The Abbie Hoffman book is a how to manual for anarchists, a thousand and one ways to fuck over the system by breaking… Read more »

Educated.Redneck
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Educated.Redneck

Compsci: a very good point, which I have struggled with too. I think the answer is or is close to what Zman said: local involvement. Go join your local/county GOP (or if you’re urban, libertarian group) and talk to people who seem like /our guys/, and keep going till you have a network. Go to your local gun events. Go to your local social clubs, join an Elks lodge, or whatever. Church events, if that’s your thing. But MRV is right, you also need to be “in the know” from participating places like here. Having someone to talk to is… Read more »

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
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Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman

I see that Z-Man has already replied, and I do agree with what he has written, but I’d just add that you are *already* doing what is necessary at this stage: Reading, discussing, remaining aware and informed and up to date. Look, we–that is to say the whole world–are facing a currency-crisis-cum-debt-crisis that is absolutely unprecedented in the history of the world. And it is already underway and cannot now be stopped. It won’t affect the whole world until the end stages, but will move eastward (from Europe) around the globe until it gets to us. At that point, the… Read more »

BFYTW
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BFYTW

The Left needs a strawman against which to organize and energize itself. When they don’t have one, they broaden definitions until they get one. Handing them this is a huge mistake. Most forms of public engagement give the Left exactly what they need; we have to learn that this conflict is asymmetric. We’re not the SEALS, we’re the goatherds. We must read from a different playbook. Everyone is talking about overt organizations. Anonymity is our greatest weapon. If they can’t detect, isolate, and destroy us while we operate, then they look and remain weak. This is why “Its OK to… Read more »

Yves Vannes
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Don’t forget traditional local community organizations who have an aging membership. They have resources and an already established network. Excluding some forms of monkey wrenching we souldn’t interact with the anti-whites at all. Putting all of our energy into IRL organizing should have been the lesson of Cville. Build our organizations until we have sizable, coordinated, ready to act numbers. This coming election is going to ratchet up tensions a lot to our benefit. The D primaries are going to de evolve into who hates YT the most. Because of what Trump represents in the minds of our enemies, the… Read more »

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The left is great at taking over community organizations then spreading their rot. We need to do the same plus start our own to build community without being obvious about our long term goals.

We need to move normies away from the concept that the only answer is to buy guns.

Tono Bungay
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Tono Bungay

Why are there no dissident right think tanks? We should start at least one think tank in imitation of neocon models, perhaps. Why are their think tanks so successful? Where does the majority of their funding emanate from? It seems like we could get enough funding for at least one.

Bob
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Bob

They have a smallish number of donors with deep pockets. How many people do we know on our side with deep pockets?

BFYTW
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BFYTW

Further, what would we gain by standing up a think tank? What practical good would be achieved?

Roger U
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What is the difference between a think tank and a blog?

Provided said think tank is mature and doesn’t use slurs or too much internet jargon, it would provide a portal into dissident thought for normies. The non stop progressive pearl clutching would keep that dissident thought in the mainstream, or at least adjacent to it, every time a lefty “can’t evens” a blog gets a new reader. Imagine if Z and others got together and contributed normie friendly content that got mainstream media attention.

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
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Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman

Good idea, but “mainstream” will *never* support ZMan or Vox Day or traditionalRIGHT or anybody even remotely like us. And by “mainstream” I mean Limbaugh and FOX and the rest. They will never do it. Ne-vah.

Tono Bungay
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Tono Bungay

Why do other people do it?

Educated.Redneck
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Educated.Redneck

I think Zman had a post on this very recently. It’s a PR thing. The cloud people purchase think tanks, who put out pro-cloud people stories/studies/polls, which the MSM then cites as proof that the cloud people’s position is supported and legitimate. It’s a necessity/of use only for someone in power, which is manifestly NOT us.

Unwashed Mass
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Unwashed Mass

Hmmm, small anonymous groups with a required financial commitment, the funds strictly remaining local and variously liquid, so if concentration of funds is necessary it won’t or can’t be subject to any legal or commercial restrictions, real or future.
A secondary way of vetting commitment?

Educated.Redneck
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Educated.Redneck

Unwashed: Or a great way to get a Federal indictment of everyone involved? Detailed financial records, necessary to track who has ‘bought in’ and thus implement your idea, are just “please arrest these people” lists. Thanks but no thanks.

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

The think tank I would consider dissident right, or paleoconservative, that’s been around since the late 80’s is the Rockford Institute. They publish Chronicles magazine. They featured Sam Francis essays, (not his newspaper columns) along with Paul Gottfried, Pat Buchanan, and I believe youtuber (Luke Ford’s show) Kevin Michael Grace wrote a few pieces, along with many others. They’re still around, but not very prominent these days. They’ve always struggled with funding.

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
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Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman

The Rockford Institute has merged with another such group. Can’t recall the name of it. It’s in the current issue of Chronicles magazine.

Chronicles has just lost Aaron Wolf, too. He died on Easter day.

https://www.gottesdienst.org/gottesblog/2019/4/29/my-friend-died-on-easter

John Hume
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John Hume

The idea that think tanks help spearhead nascent movements is a really tempting and really massive lie. Think tanks are often presented as independent investigators of the unique and avant-garde, but in reality they are more like the R&D departments for the mainstream political culture. The mainstream culture sets the budget and the scope of inquiry, and then think tanks set out to prove that a mainstream philosophy can be repackaged to the populace and policymakers in more interesting ways. The Dissident Right certainly needs its own thinkers (and it has already accumulated a deep bench for its relatively short… Read more »

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
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Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman

Is that a serious question? (((Who))) funds the neocons?

Unknownsailor
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Unknownsailor

Any dissident right think tank will be targeted for infiltration and destroyed from within by leftist infiltrators. Entryism has destroyed even such organizations as the Roman Catholic church.

Roman Candle
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Roman Candle

Being a keyboard warrior and never risking anything in meatspace is a more certain way to fail.

This is why I will not criticize Richard Spencer.

20 years from now, I am certain most of the rest of the “dissident movement” will have nothing to show except for a few internet articles and YouTube videos.

miforest
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miforest

how can people not see Richard spencer is controlled opposition? google heilgate. HE invited MSM to an alt right event before it had been branded neo naz . then , with the attendees not worried about their ID coming out , gets up front of the group and sig heils for the press. Unsuspecting normies who attended are doxed and fired because they are on camera. That allowed the press to brand the whole event as Nazi’s. No flags needed. trump has disavow the alt right . Then he and and the other ” leaders ” take their group into… Read more »

Bob
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Bob

You know those catchy chants the Left has? This is a silly idea, but I’ve wondered what it would happen if at a right-rally, we chant those back at them. Probably be a bit confusing, but I wonder if it might take some of the wind out of their sails. A little bit of the opposite of making them feel they’re fighting the Nazis.
I used to think the Right should gather and do a trash pick-up or clean up graffiti. But then some right-wing biker gang did that and nobody cared, not even our media people.

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

There is a saying in the manosphere. “The medium is the message.” Applying that to the Dissident Right gives us a way forward. No skinheads, no KKK, no Swastikas. They cause people’s brains to shut off. The Alternative Right was initially effective because the image was clean-cut intelligent white men. We need more of The Golden One (excellent YouTuber) and less of the Romper Stomper look. Do volunteer work for and network with whites in your area. It may not be as fun as punching commies but in the long run, our people will get the message that only their… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

Amen on that…That is why I advocate to build Communities because it takes care of a lot of the problems and offers quite a few solutions…

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

The old clubs have been building community for a long time, yes we should start there for face-to-face. Invite each other. Have fun doing good things, because by damn, that IS who WE are.

Plus, I’m going to go Steal That Book!

Barnard
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Barnard

The recommended video I had at the SF Gate story about the AIM protest was an uncritical presentation of a group called “pantless people take over BART.” Only a completely degenerated society would promote a group like this and denigrate AIM.
Even with your good recommendations, it will be very difficult to change the narrative with the public while they continue to rely on traditional media sources for information.

Member

” it will be very difficult to change the narrative with the public while they continue to rely on traditional media sources for information. ”

In spite of the low approval rating of the media, the majority are not yet willing to concede that the media are political hacks led by a tribe that hates Heritage Americans

miforest
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miforest

there is one god thing to come out of charlvlle , until that is was somewhat plausible to believe ANTIFA were left wing nut jobs , but that clearly showed that they were coordinated and directed by major players on the other side. It is also clear that the establishment will free them in court. Even in the face of video evidence.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

“Failure analysis is probably the most important component of progress in any area of human endeavor.”

That’s probaby true. It is certainly also one of the least fun

Member

The AIM strategy of singing a song that is in the Leftist canon but fit the protest was brilliant.

Unfortunately, the dissident right has no margin for error or bad luck. The left can do almost anything and get away with it. That is the only reason I don’t blame the people at Charlottesville. No matter what the right does on a large scale, it will set itself up for failure because, if nothing else, the police, media and courts will be on the side of the communist thugs attacking the right.

Dr. Mabuse
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Dr. Mabuse

Seriously, I barely remember this incident. Is this really all that vivid to anyone except the lunatic Left, which is like a heat-seeking missile forever in search of something to splat itself against and explode? I couldn’t see it as that big a deal, even at the time. All I took away from it was that Vox Day absolutely panicked and backpedalled as fast as he could, despite all the hitherto bumptious talk of “We don’t care!” It’s not as if this was the first time Nazi imagery had cropped up in alt-right circles. For months, there was a fad… Read more »

Roger U
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They panicked when they thought monetary loss might be immanent.

TomA
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TomA

Progressivism is just the political face of parasitism, which is the underlying malady. A growing cohort of the world’s human population has been seduced by the easy life into a creeping dependency on government for all their basic needs. In exchange, they only need to acquire the habit of PC conformity. Not a bad deal, because work is hard and blood-sucking is so much easier. What this means is that Progressives are not deluded, misguided, or otherwise redeemable via persuasion. They are tethered to parasitism by existential imperative. They cannot change, no matter how hard anyone tries. Eventually, the productive… Read more »

Dirtnapninja
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Dirtnapninja

Lets examine this from a strict military perspective. Charlottesville was an advance into enemy territory. But it was an advance with inferior and flawed intelligence in the face of a prepared enemy with superior numbers and control of the terrain. It was a kind of political dien bien phu. The planners were unaware that the local university was Berkeley East. They ignored the lessons of berkeley 2 and berkeley 3 where the police stood down. There was no elite support, no legal support put into place and poor communications between the ralliers and the local authorities. The planners were using… Read more »

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

I was just thinking along similar lines. Cville was not just an advance into enemy territory, it was an overt advance that stayed too long. Had they withdrawn after the spontaneous torchlight parade, the effect would have been analogous to the Doolittle raid on Japan. Little effect on the tactical, and physical levels, but potent on the mental level.

Dirtnapninja
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Dirtnapninja

The torchlight parade would have been an unexpected swarm and retreat attack, classic insurgency tactics. Big regular parades in occupied territory are the equivalent of set piece battles..these work in the enemies favour. Hit and run attacks to build confidence and experience are the way forward for now. This translates to flashmob rallies, swift disruptions, trolling and even memes. I would argue that most organising should be covert, done with small cellular groups or 4-5 people and focus on getting into positions of authority. It doesnt matter what position it is, any position is good..even the local dog catcher. Building… Read more »

Yves Vannes
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There was one benefit from Cville for our side: the overreaction and continued overreaction by our enemies. Though it drove us into the catacombs our numbers at least in sentiment and awareness have swelled thanks to the behavior of our enemies.

Lineman
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Lineman

What matters, what always matters, is convincing the public that your version of reality is the most pleasing. The facts are just part of the set.
That right there is truth and if the right understood that simple truth then maybe they could start being more effective…

Lorenzo
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Lorenzo

What is the Dissident Right’s long term goal? I read a lot about organization, strategy and tactics, but the intended result seems to be at best ill-defined.

Bob
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Bob

I bet it’s because we’re still getting Leftism out of our beliefs and aren’t ready yet to face what it looks like to not be last decade’s radicals.

I tried to have a conversation about how society would look if everyone agreed that we’re not all equal, men/women, races, etc. The conclusion was, some kind of aristocracy. How would you sell that (or something similar) to people who have only just given up “Go back to the Constitution” or “Dems are the real racists”?

Roger U
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It would look like today but without leftism. We have something like aristocrats now, we call them globalists. Imagine if we had patriotic aristocrats.

Guest
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Guest

I agree completely. I keep getting smacked around here for making the factual point that changing demographics are now baked into the cake and cannot be unwound at this point in time. In the absence of dissolution of the US there is not going to be a white majority in the nation ever again. Any appeal that is explictly race-based is doomed to fail based on demographics alone. IMO, this calls for an appeal to cultural arguments. For example, pointing out inconvenient truths such as the fact that Liberia’s Constitution is a near replica of the US Constitution, yet Liberia… Read more »

Rogeru
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Rogeru

Facts don’t change normie minds. You have to win their confidence, then they’ll agree with pretty much whatever you say.

3g4me
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3g4me

You “keep getting smacked around” because you keep repeating this drivel. Culture is DOWNSTREAM from genetics – i.e. RACE MATTERS. You are essentially recommending civic nationalism and claiming it’s a new and radical idea. I have frequently made comments about demographics (i.e. as much as I seethe about the hordes crossing the border, they ultimately don’t matter because more than 50% of all “American” k-12 schoolchildren are already non-White) but that does not mean that one acquiesces to genocide via miscegenation and moderation. This is ultimately about separation to ensure White survival.

Normie
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So whats the answer? An ethno state? You think the US governmentbis goong to give up its territory? Come on…

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Guest
Guest

The fact that culture is downstream of genetics is precisely the point of my comment. Screeching RACE MATTERS and calling for a white ethnostate is going to get you nowhere. Pointing out that Liberia and the US share a Constitution that is substantially the same forces people to confront the genetics issue indirectly.

Primi Pilus
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Primi Pilus

I would point out that the areas of highest minority / immigrant population are extremely concentrated population sinks. Next census may tell a different story, but current information reflects that area-wise, much of America remains more or less unchanged in this regard …. excepting urban areas. There are more rural areas that have experienced Hispanic population growth percentage wise over the past decades, certainly … mostly due to agricultural manpower needs. But for the most part, the growth of Asian, subcontinent and Muslim peoples seems to be accruing in highly confined areas. I was astounded at a CostCo in Richmond… Read more »

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When we stand up, leftists attack us. When we stand down, they attack each other. If we disappeared from their sight entirely, they would fill mass graves with the bodies of their fellow leftists. It’s happened before.

I read that scores of Charlottesville police officers have quit since UTR. With no right-wingers around, leftists hate on cops instead, and prevent them from doing anything to restore public order. Homeless junkies have a right to leave feces and used needles on the sidewalk, dammit!

Bob
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Bob

Moldbug pointed out that the only society that’s successfully conserved itself hasn’t tried protesting, voting, or fighting. They’re… the Amish. Hard for me to wrap my head around.

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

Our goals are slightly different from the Amish though. We eventually want our own country, not just to pay the Danegeld and be left alone in exchange for keeping our heads down and be absorbed into the Borg in the end anyway.

Bob
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Bob

We do want political power. However, there’s something to be learned from them. The Left draws energy from fighting us. They need a boogeyman to keep their biolenin alliance together. The Amish are ten times more the evil, white, Christian, patriarchs than we are, but strangely, are left alone. Polygamous offshoots of the LDS church are still living in compounds in the desert and only bothered (I think) when they molest children. You want the Handmaid’s Tale? Its cousin can be found, but the Left never mentions it. We want political power, but we need a nation to rule first.… Read more »

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

The Amish have that nation only so long as those in power deign to let them have it. Sure, they have successfully conserved what they have. They will not advance or expand. There is much to be said for the Amish way of life, they are literally in the world but not of it. Their way of life is unsustainable though on a national and international scale. Being technologically backwards is no way to run a nation, especially when surrounded by those who hate you and would loot you to support their clown world. The solution is to mimic successful… Read more »

Bob
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Bob

I’m not gonna argue with you that we shouldn’t be the Amish or that they’re 100% vulnerable. However, they are expanding in numbers and territory. The Amish might be able to help us know why some insurgencies succeeded and some failed. For instance, Vietnam was successful, in part because the US were unsure and divided. The Civil War didn’t work, because the South tried to beat the North in its strengths. If I remember correctly, Algeria successfully rebelled from France by baiting France into riling the population up, while France wasn’t 100% committed. The Left is more than just confident… Read more »

Roger U
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A nation is people.

Roger U
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The Amish have the strength of their convictions. A willingness to do without, a stubborn refusal to conform and no fear of martyrdom are unbeatable. This is also called determination.

The right, even the dissident right, are not determined. We’re too comfortable and don’t want to give that up. Not yet, anyway.

Bob
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Bob

They bring a powerful religion to a religious war.

Carl B.
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Carl B.

Joe Biden is running on a “Hate Traditional Whitey” platform and the mostly-White Firefighters Union bought it hook, line, and sinker.

Whites, like Republicans, don’t fight. Whites are gonna deserve what’s coming.

CAPT S
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CAPT S

May I adjust that last sentence? Stupid, lazy, screen-addicted, Kool-Aid drinking, gun abhorring, over-educated beyond commensurate IQ, sit-on-their-ass, androgynous “whites are gonna deserve what’s coming.”

Primi Pilus
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Primi Pilus

The union may have bought it; I wonder if the firefighters did ….

Dutch
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Dutch

You win by moving miles down the road in the direction you want, a few feet at a time. There is no magic leap that takes you from here to there. The Left has an entitlement mentality, and is also paranoid, looking for MAGA hats under their beds. Play to their paranoia, and threaten their sense of entitlement. Easy and fun! Mock them and tease them in small pamphlets, stickers, and bits of graffiti and incidental bathroom wall type scribblings. Make them uncomfortable to go into a public toilet because they might find triggering words written there. Hell, write “MAGA”… Read more »

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

The first lesson of Charlottesville is if you buy a Fed Perry Polo to fit into a group, you have already marinated yourself in group think, the way some Antifa has to buy a black hoodie. The second lesson of Charlottesville is that citronella torches are for patios and not to be carried around the streets. The third lesson of Charlottesville is that nearly all of our institutions from media to government, to Fortune 500 monoliths are stone dead, and stone dead institutions run on lies and bullshit. They can shape public opinion as they please. If you still watch… Read more »

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

Also, contrast Cville with advances into enemy strongholds that worked, namely Portland and Berkeley. You do not hear the American Left talking about those incidents. The most iconic images you saw on YouTube were the following. 1. Nathan Damigo decking Moldilocks (after she swung on him), a hairy porn star who posted her intent to disrupt the rally and collect Nazi scalps. 2. Based Stickman, nuff said. 3. Rufio Panman who while unarmed knocked out a baton wielding commie after said commie was courageously beating a guy on the ground. 4. Antifa running from a smaller force. There were plenty… Read more »

Roger U
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Winning is always good optics.

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

You are missing the point. Even if the guys at Cville had knocked out every other Communist, they would have scored a victory on the tactical and physical levels sure. On the mental level, they would have been emboldened to overextend even worse the next time. On the moral level, the death of Heather Heyer and the Swastikas gave the victory to the American Left and would have allowed them to still craft the same narrative while justifying an even greater response to the clear and present danger the “nahtzees” posed. On the strategic level, even a victory like this… Read more »

Don't Dox me Bro
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Don't Dox me Bro

Skokie was forced to let real, non LARPing Nazis march. Even the most dyed in the wool Boomer CivNat is susceptible to ‘I don’t agree with what you say but defend your right to say it’.
An aggressive AG, the ‘Kingpin’ looking fellow perhaps, might have gone after the state and local PDs and governments for intentionally setting and lighting that powder keg (and thrown in a wrongful death suit for the fat girl for good measure).
They’ve done it when the browns have rioted.

CAPT S
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CAPT S

Z-man – this is your best. Bookmark this and keep piledriving these lessons-learned As far as I’m concerned this essay is THE answer to Alinsky tactics. Still, I’m troubled by this sentence: “What matters, what always matters, is convincing the public that your version of reality is the most pleasing.” I concur wholeheartedly, but the ramifications of this means that true-truth, objective truth, is dead. And if you’re a truth-lover in a culture where objective reality is dead, there’s really no other solution other than laying low, becoming the gray-man, and quietly cultivating like-minded networks. My worldview – and the… Read more »

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

The American Left did not win on their truthful merits. We accept the reality of hbd. On a similar note, part of my conversion from libertarianism was the realization that despite their few good ideas, they assumed that everyone is fundamentally a straight white guy with an IQ of at least 100. Quite a few people are weak. Quite a few people are stupid. Plenty of us are average. Few of us have the requisite intelligence, courage, and curiosity, to find out how deep the rabbit hole goes. Accept these facts and their implications. Namely that most people will go… Read more »

Lance_E
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Personally, I think the AR made a crucial error with its “decentralized activism” (a la GG) premise. They believed that because this “works” for groups like Antifa and ISIS, it would work for them, because having no leaders to attack means the media can’t attack your movement at all. They should have listened to the NRXers: these groups aren’t truly waging guerilla warfare, they’re backed by actors who are very powerful and very good at covering their tracks. That means you can’t imitate them with no budget and no structure. Far from wanting no leaders, what the right needs is… Read more »

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

“Smart people like Stephen Miller and the Federalist Society” are the reason we have our current problems and these problems follow directly from their beliefs in civic nationalism, blank statism, and colorblindness. The truth is that tribal affiliations are far more powerful than purported shared values like liberty or fairness. Until white people stop being fooled by the other tribes claiming to share our values then our subjugation will worsen.

Steve
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Steve

Derivative topic, and I know Z Man hates this one, but I looked up the speaker at the book promotion event: Jonathan Metzl, a Jewish professor, who was promoting a book called “Dying of Whiteness: How the Politics of Racial Resentment Is Killing America’s Heartland.” So it’s not “free” trade policies, mass third world immigration or endless imperial wars after all. What ails white America is “resentment.” Go figure! He followed up the incident with this opinion piece at the Imperial Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/its-time-to-talk-about-being-white-in-america/2019/04/29/20aed83a-6a9b-11e9-be3a-33217240a539_story.html?utm_term=.0d8dd263187c …which included, among many Leftist cliches, the following: “For too long, many white Americans have avoided this… Read more »

Stryker4570
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Stryker4570

Actions like this are a good starting point https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/12/14/hundred-handers/

TBoone
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TBoone

Trust Diversity? WHY??

Why Trust Diversity?

We are a Low Trust Society Now. Thank Diversity.

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The left welcomes the thoroughly insane, knowing they can label them “right wing” if they go off-script. The dissident right tries to pretend they don’t have to police these types with predictable results. Expect more of the same.

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Just got back from the NRA convention. A typical example of what I wrote about below is Dana Loesch. Extremely angry creature, very easy target. Does damage every time she opens her mouth. Seen as a “bright star” by many in the NRA.

Nathan
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Nathan

I met Kessler at AmRen right before Charlottesville. I planned a trip to hit AmRen and then the rally. I decided against it. It was the right call, but I still feel sorry I didn’t go. I don’t disagree that Charlottesville was a clusterfuck, but I also don’t believe we can stay anon online forever. I guess in the short-term we should try to network, but let’s not believe the GOPe line that only Democrats get out in the streets. That possibility should be in the back of your minds. The situation isn’t bad enough for people to go there–yet.… Read more »

Christopher S. Johns
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Christopher S. Johns

A quick look at any discussion of Charlottesville on the left reveals why the events there have attained such mythic status and continue to resonate: 1. As a preface, a literal Nazi, Trump, seized control of America from Hillary Clinton with the help of Vladmir Putin; Trump is Putin’s butt boy – which is not a homophobic slur when directed at Trump; 2. Emboldened by Trump and as a prelude to a complete Nazi takeover, literal Nazis, white supremacists and Trump voters were marching in the street of Charlottesville to defend and protect the memory of the Confederacy, white slaveholders,… Read more »

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Moldbug in 2007: The problem with white nationalism as a military or political strategy (of course there is no line between the two—if your goal is to capture the government, your goal is to capture the government) is that however much it may manage to fire up the [right], it fires up the [Progressives] ten times as much. Since the latter are the ruling class and hold the whip hand, white nationalism remains a losing strategy. Ouch! Taste the pain, kids. The problem is that our enemies have power, and we don’t. In an actual democracy, you can get substantial… Read more »

Lance_E
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This has also been said about Trump’s tweets, and I think it’s a similar problem. He’s pretty good at firing up his base, but in the process he also fires up the left. And then, when he fails to deliver, he demoralizes his base while firing up the left *even more*. That’s not how you win a morale war, which is essentially every war.

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I was at Charlottesville, I’ve always known exactly what happened.

The governor of Virginia, with the mayor and vice-mayor, planned the whole thing before it occurred. I was standing within 30 feet of them as the state police staged to move to the attack, in full riot gear.

I know about a lot more than that.

Kjp
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Kjp

You should share.

PhysicistDave
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PhysicistDave

The AIM action in the bookstore is going to strike most middle-class Americans as immature and obnoxious behavior.

Yeah, this sort of thing sorta, kinda works for the Left, but it also got Nixon, Reagan, and Trump elected when the normal folks got sick of Leftist hijinks.

Tactics cannot be separated from goals: if you don’t want the results of the Left, it might not be a good idea to imitate their tactics.

Linda Fox
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I’m reading How To Get Into The Real Ball Game of Politics Where You Live To Help President Donald J. Trump Make America Great Again, by Daniel Schultz. I know, I know – ridiculously long title, right? However, it contains some very practical lessons about how to highjack the GOP for our own purposes. It’s easier than you think, as there is a HUGE void at the local level of power. And, in the process, we could create those local alliances with others, and build a power base. I strongly recommend you read it – it’s on Kindle Unlimited, so… Read more »

TomA
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TomA

Reality matters. For the most part, Progressives have two centers of power. The first are the tools of systemic indoctrination (mass media, education, popular culture); and they use this to infect the weak-minded with dependency and conformity. The second is control of domestic government force (lawfare, activist judiciary, LEOs); and they use this to punish or eliminate non-comformism. These are their main strengths. Do not fight on this turf. Focus on the brain and the body will wither.

highdesert45
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highdesert45

As I recall, there were videos of the protesters complaining to the State Police that they were being corralled right into the arms of the leftists, to be attacked. I believe that there was even an audio of a trooper saying that they were just following orders. The deck certainly is stacked…

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Cville was a success in the same way a recon probe often is – yes some members of the scouting party may get winged, but if they reveal the location and strength of the enemy, the mission is deemed a success. And while this and other blogs point to the suggested need to move away from facts, dialectic – towards leftist-mirroring rhetoric, say heckling over FOIA requests and revelations ….. the key facts revealed by Cville remain vital even as the left’s minions disseminate their agitprop. It was the behavior or local law enforcement and elected officials – in real… Read more »

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Nick

Just a quick white pill. Yes, it was a loss for our side. But many if not most have learned valuable lessons. The naïveté of our side was squashed. We realized that the system was far worse than even our cynical imaginations had believed. Many times, first contact with the enemy reveals their strengths and your weaknesses. The loss itself doesn’t matter if we learn the correct lessons and adapt. The men whose lives were destroyed by this event will be martyrs if we adjust our tactics and win. When we win, Charlottesville will be remembered the way the kasserine… Read more »

tarstarkas
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The lack of leadership in the Dissident Right is the primary problem. A lot of these guys are probably plants. I have never seen a less impressive group.
The enemy has the ability to install “leaders” by giving credibility to the dumbest or craziest people they can find.