A strange thing that used to be more common a decade ago, but still persists to this day is the use of the book Guns, Germs and Steel as an escape hatch. That is, when a conversation with good whites turns to biology, they will at some point attempt to change the subject by bringing up this book. Always, it is in the form of “A great book on this is Guns, Germs and Steal. Have you read it?” After all these years, it remains the one acceptably dangerous book they have read on the subject.
In this context, dangerous means that the book sort of accepts the fact that human populations are not exactly the same everywhere. The book attempts to explain why Eurasian and North African civilizations have defined the story of man, while arguing against biological reality. For good whites, merely acknowledging that sub-Saharan Africans have little to show for their time on earth is scary. Even though Diamond is a biological denialist, the book is still a dangerous read.
Of course, it is acceptable because of that denialism. The thesis of the book is that serendipity and ecology explain why some human populations have advanced beyond simple farming, while others have not. Diamond makes many claims about different food stuffs, weather and pathogens to explain why Europeans, in particular, have risen to the top of the human hierarchy. The basic claim, in a nutshell, is they got lucky and really don’t deserve their spot at the top of the hierarchy.
This is a familiar theme for those who have read the writings of Ben Shapiro and Yoram Hazony, both of whom make similar claims. In the case of Shapiro, he argues that Europe was the creation of Hellenize Jews, who arrived with the Romans. He is not that honest or explicit, but that is his claim. Hazony takes a similar approach, but credits the Romans for imposing culture on the people of Europe. He also credits dumb luck in explaining why Europe is not the Levant or Mesopotamia.
This makes sense from the perspective of Zionist Jews. They view life as a great struggle between people, particularly their people, the Chosen People, and the rest of the people of the world. They don’t have to think too hard about why they are superior to Arabs, but Europeans are another matter. The Jewish people don’t have a big trophy case like the people of the Occident. They credit this to dumb luck in order to maintain the fiction that they are still God’s favorite people.
Now, it is important to note that the Diamond book is riddled with errors of fact and logic that undermine the central premise. In fact, there are so many of these errors it has to be assumed the author knew he was making false claims. For those with some time to kill, Ryan Faulk made a two hour video going into the details of Diamond’s claims about agriculture and animal husbandry. The best you can say about Guns, Germs and Steel is it is a masterful display of modern sophistry.
Now, ecology did play a defining role in shaping the people of Europe, just as it did the people everywhere on earth. Fundamental to the human sciences and dissident politics is that people are different. The people of Europe are different because they had to be in order to survive and thrive in their environment, which is radically different from the environment of Africa. They also mixed with archaic people, just as East Asians mixed with a different archaic people. Human biodiversity is real.
The appeal of the Diamond book, the intent of it actually, is to turn this reality on its head in order to supplant biological reality with the egalitarian fantasy. The impression Diamond tries to leave on the reader is that he is accepting the premises of the realists, while coming to a more parsimonious explanation. This is a similar approach taken by Nathan Cofnas in his critique of Kevin McDonald’s book. It is a form of abductive reasoning meant to persuade, not explain.
Similarly, a book popular with the same crowd twenty years ago was Why Nations Fail, which attempted to solve the same problem. It makes the claim that the reason the West has raced ahead to lead the world is that they have inclusive institutions and that economic prosperity depends above all on the inclusiveness of economic and political institutions. This magical inclusiveness just fell from the sky and landed in the West, explaining why the Occident has dominated.
The popularity of these books, and in the case of the Diamond book its enduring popularity, speaks to the power of the egalitarian faith. People in modern democracies, particularly bourgeois people, need to believe that all people are born with the same innate talents and abilities. The belief is so powerful it can overcome the absurd circular reasoning in a book like Why Nations Fail and raise Guns, Germs and Steel into the gospel of modern liberal democracy.
There is another element to this. The premise is that the “superficial” differences in people are due to environment, but the people themselves are all the same, once those environmental issues are removed. This sort of thinking allows the believer to feel shame for his privilege, while lamenting the fact the poor browns were not blessed with better stuff or the divine magic of liberal democracy. The good white can indulge his natural self-loathing and proselytize for his way of life.
This is a very Christian dynamic. The good white, like the good Christian, embraces the fallen state of mankind. For Christians, it is man’s obvious sinful nature. For the good white, it is white privilege, the undeserved blessings of serendipity. Like the believing Christian, the good white sees the path to salvation in spreading the faith. Instead of observable reality leading to an acceptance of the human condition, it drives a desire to rectify it and overcome the forces that have shaped it.
This is probably why a book like Guns, Germs and Steel remains a popular text with the good whites. It is literally written to flatter the reader and offer an alternative narrative to explain observable reality. White people are not evil because of their nature, but because of their failure to acknowledge their privilege and put it to good use in saving the rest of mankind from his plight. To be a good white means embracing one’s undeserved place in the world as fuel to reform the world.
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Where does the buck stop? They’ll just keep passing the “luck” and “serendipity” buck forever.
“All evolutionary advances can be explained away due to the environmental circumstances of the different groups over time. Europeans just got lucky… for thousands of years.”
At this point, I’m just happy when people acknowledge ANY kind of differences within the races. The big challenge after that is implementing reasonable culture and policy reform based on those differences.
Except Diamond’s explanation exempts them from having to do that. Instead, they just keep striving for cultural and ecological equality.
yes this is the kind of cocktail party gatekeeping that keeps goodwhites from ever evolving into badwhites. Should anyone wander off the progressive reservation, great points from this book get mentioned and with a couple of swirls of cabernet the conversation is back inside the wire. Whats most dangerous about this is that not only are people kept in slumber but the believe they are smarter for having probed the frontier only to be reassured that their progressive orthodoxy is true and right. And they are self-assured in their place among the intellectual NYT strivers so they can spread it… Read more »
Some will never understand that some Coopers are more equal than others.
Given that environment is ostensibly almighty, it’s passing strange that whites who settled in southern Africa in the 17th century didn’t regress to the level of the Hutu. Likewise, when the Hutus were transplanted to the salubrious climes of North America at about that time, they didn’t not begin throwing forth Beethovens, Shakespeares, Aristotles and Rembrandts. Come to think of it, the Injuns didn’t exactly litter the landscape with titanic cultural achievements despite dwelling in North America for 30K years.
“At this point” -You shouldn’t be. Guns, Germs and Steel was written decades ago, and it’s books like this which have brainwashed the smarter half of the midwits into denying reality in favor of a blind adherence to the status quo. This piece of mind control provides a way to quiet the discomfort caused by the cognitive dissonance suffered by those who know anything about history. Like others have said, this provides an intellectual escape hatch with which they are tricked into denying their own independent conclusions about reality in favor of a kosher explanation of the obvious inconsistencies in… Read more »
I agree with you. So what do we do other than be blunt, take everything by force and implement our own culture, institutions etc?
Keep exposing the lies and revealing the malignant intentions behind them. We might not have much on our side, but we do have the truth, and the truth is a potent weapon.
From my recent reading:
“Truth invariably destroys error. We do not have to laboriously shovel the darkness out; all that is necessary is to turn on the light.”
Charles F. Haanel
The Master Key System – 1916
How well did Truth the Weapon work in the Soviet Union, or in today’s China?
As I mentioned in a different post, this is largely true for cosmopolitans. For them, place of birth really is luck of the draw and a gift from the universe. But for everyone else, they inherit the culture from the previous generations just as surely as they inherit their looks or intelligence or lack thereof.
I’d say that culture is just a sentient, biological collective. Nothing non HBD about it. Lefts always act like “culture” is this killshot argument against genetics, role in IQ when the two are inextricably linked.
Lawdog, I couldn’t agree more.
I see culture- that sentient, biological collective- as parallel processing.
“For them, place of birth really is luck of the draw and a gift from the universe.”
It reinforces their hope that they really are the true chosen, destined to be above the rest.
(To be honest, don’t we all nurture that small, secret flame?
But to take it to such extremes…)
I have something slightly different. I don’t necessarily think my tribe is the best and has been selected by God to be his special tribe. What I think is that I like my tribe and am only comfortable living within my tribe and that my tribe is the best at setting up a society that people like me like. From my experience, that is how a lot of people think of their tribe. If you ever talk to foreigners who have just recently visited “home,” they talk wistfully about the visit and all the things they like about home and… Read more »
I’m amazed at how people can ignore the obvious, objective reality staring them in the face when it comes to biological diversity. We have thousands of breeds of dogs, all different, that have 99 percent commonality DNA-wise. Why humans are all the same is so illogical on its face. Europe’s environment selected for the characteristics we see today, as did Africa, Asia and South America. I read this book a few years after it came out and agreed with some of the points in it, but it wasn’t until I was red pilled that I saw how this book ignored… Read more »
My parents red-pilled me at an early age. “Bring home a girl of another race and count on being kicked out of the family. You will also be encouraged to change your last name.”
Were many more white parents like yours, we wouldn’t be in this gawdawful bind.
I’ve found using the example of dog breeds to be particularly useful in getting through to people. I simply say that the different races are like different dog breeds. All breeds are dogs but the abilities of a Beagle and a Great Dane are obviously not the same. Doesn’t make one “better” in a general sense than the other, but they will be better at different tasks.
Have you ever found a liberal who could admit to human diversity being like dog or diversity
Nope. But saying it front of a group where there may be some people that we can sway is worthwhile.
It’s just a way to get people think about things without triggering their Crimethink defenses.
People universally acknowledge that there are innate intellectual and temperamental differences between various breeds of dogs, but that can be explained away by the process of selective breeding.
There are “natural” breeds of cats that developed on their own, though further modified by selective breeding. A Siamese and a Persian have quite different personalities and Siamese are reputed to be the most intelligent of all cats. I don’t know why they evolved that way. They just did.
OH MY GOD ARE YOU ACTUALLY COMPARING BLACK PEOPLE TO DOGS????
Personally, I’d prefer to live next door to a pack of basenjis…
Haitians took a paradise and made it a desert. Nordic/Anglo Mormons took a desert and made it a paradise.
The Nordic/Anglo/Celt Mormons took a desert and turned it into a civilization. The negroes in Haiti took a civilization and turned it into a desert.
Trivia: Haiti was first (successful?) slave rebellion in Western Hemisphere. Their success as a free nation has been….uh….er….
There are white Haitians! Very few, but check demographics. I guess you get used to living in a compound.
Meme, precisely. That’s why GG&S is a good read—iff you are educated enough to perceive its inconsistencies and fallacies of logic. Never had a Normie/Lib use the book in an argument, most don’t seem to really care to reach such a stage in analysis/support of their beliefs. Anyway, there are myriad of current, modern examples wrt bringing the poor laggards into the 20th century and seeing how they handle modernity and it’s technology—particularly in Africa. Hell, just bring up South Africa and Rhodesia and have them explain why a completely equipped 1st world nation can be handed over—intact and functioning—to… Read more »
There is probably a good correlation between “education” and gullibility and believing in GG&S. It’s a pretty major indictment that most of our most magical thinkers have been “educated” in our elite institutions.
Hispaniola is instructive from an HBD standpoint. Haiti and the DR, sharing Hispaniola, have virtually identical climates and natural resources. Haiti is black African and the DR is mestizo. Haiti is the most dreadful nation in the western hemisphere while the DR is reasonably functional and livable.
I might add as well, the DR is most keen on preventing *any* overflow of Haitians into their territory. Saw a video awhile back documenting this. Basically DR immigration authorities ID’ing any and all that look Haitian and grabbing them off the bus or streets and taking them back for deportation. Of course, the documentary producer was calling this racism. 😉
Did he really? And here I was thinking only YT could be rayciss.
Yes, with Spanish Lit got a little historical background on Domincan Republic. I don’t know the details, but in various periods of time they’ve been plain brutal to Haitians that dared cross the border. Perhaps we could learn something from them?
I don’t have the link at my fingertips, but there is an online interview in which Jared Diamond admits that he undertook the writing of Guns, Germs, and Steel >for the explicit purpose of demonstrating how superior European achievement can be explained without involving racial differences. In other words, he had already arrived at his conclusion before he began his ‘research’! In the same interview, he presents his thesis— without offering any supporting evidence— that the natives of Paupau New Guinea are actually more intelligent and resourceful than Europeans! A clear case of someone already wedded to a certain (‘egalitarian’,… Read more »
Early life and education
Diamond was born on September 10, 1937 in Boston, Massachusetts, United States. Both of his parents were from Ashkenazi Jewish families who had emigrated to the United States.
EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
Thanks! You beat me to it. A fun fact about this. “Diamond” is a very j00 last name. In fact, there is a reason for this that I read an article about not long ago. I was trying to figure out why so many specials are named after gemstones and precious metals. Diamond, Silver, Silverstein, Goldberg, Satin, etc. Turns out this ‘master race’ being a semitic tribe of wandering nomads couldn’t be bothered with last names for a long long time. To get them into the modern world they were ‘assigned’ them by the Germans and various other more civilized… Read more »
Well, they sort of had last names – e.g., Simon bar Jonah – Simon son of Jonah. Not unlike a Bill “Robertson” or “Johnson.”
That explains everything,. Another Bagel eater finding a way to shit on heritage whites
Their hatred of us is hardwired into them
“the natives of Paupau New Guinea are actually more intelligent and resourceful than Europeans!” Now THAT is an impressive level of cognitive dissonance and bias. The pathological altruism of normies today can really be astounding sometimes! I remember years ago my Mom was relating an NPR story she heard. Apparently some anthropologist went off to study a primitive tribe known for beheading its people as a form of punishment. After they would decapitate someone, the tribe would all partake in some ritualistic form of groaning, similar to keening. The guy’s mission was to figure out the purpose or “meaning” of… Read more »
It probably had the same meaning as what our stomach does when it’s hungry 😂
Exactly! The entire premise of the story was so absurd I couldn’t help but laugh maniacally. The guy’s colleague gets his head lopped off, and even after that he decides that these primitives are somehow more virtuous than us civilized folk, unreal!
Doesn’t E. Michael Jones have a similar ridiculous position. Something like Europe would be like Africa if it wasn’t for the Catholic church, or maybe it was Africa would be like Europe if it had .
I like many of his takes and read a few of his books but for the love of God! There really are some ideas so preposterous that only intellectuals can believe them. As a practicing Catholic this hurts to see in someone like him.
By the way, the Church was very instrumental in much good in western civilization but still, come on.
I’m pretty sure E. Jones has a universalist position when it comes to race and “converts”.
I agree with you–come on!
Still, I recently read an essay of his in book form. It was really good, and pretty witty at times too. Was thinking about purchasing “Revolutionary Spirit”
Well I mean my own Celtic and Germanic ancestors were like Africa before Christianity. The same interminable tribal conflicts, horrifying ritual practices (including human sacrifice and bestiality(!)), and other horrors. Like how Vikings thought what was best in life was to sail over to some bastard who you don’t know from Adam, kill him, rape his wife, and take his stuff. If my community bordered ancient pre-Christian Ireland or Friesland we would have built the wall and staffed it with machine gunners years ago. Meanwhile, for its many problems Ethiopia was definitely head and shoulders above its neighbors by miles… Read more »
Sorry, I don’t buy it. Our society and culture is not only Greco-Romano-Christian, but also very much Germanic in terms of our customs and law. (And I’m completely ignoring that bullshit “Athens and Jerusalem” nonsense which is the culturo-historical equivalent of fanfiction to insert The Best People into everything after the fact. I would not dismiss Celts and Germans as painted, animal-humping savages who were only finally civilized by a Europeanized version of a middle-eastern cult. Certainly Christianity had a huge effect on Europe, but bear in mind that the Roman Catholic Church was in turn itself influenced by local… Read more »
The ancient Greek and Roman people originated in the Danube basin. They were not that far distant from Germanic people. Julius Caesar had red hair and blue eyes.
Yes, the Vikings were well tamed by the Church. Especially Martin Luther’s. Sorry Catholics, but little in your history can hold a votive candile to dour Protestantism 🙁. I mean, what good is life if you can’t go off drinking, wenching and plundering enroute to Valhalla?
In general, Roman Catholics are more willing to give credit where credit is due to our polytheist forebears than evangelicals are
There are some Christians who want to give the credit for Western success to Christianity. Rodney Stark also comes to mind. The fact is that Europeans did some pretty amazing things before Europe was Christianized and many Christian peoples are a mediocre lot, such as Kenyans and Guatemalans.
Of course, it would be “racist” to give credit to White people.
Reminds me of the book, Don’t Sleep, There are Snakes. A Christian missionary goes into the jungle and comes out an enlightened atheist. He too really went overboard on how awesome this failed tribe is. They are so dumb that when boats were made for them, they used them until they didn’t work anymore and then went back to their old way, even though they were taught how to make them. They were so incapable of abstract thinking that they could not obtain any lesson from the Bible other than the literal words of the parable. He tells the story… Read more »
Wait, if I’m reading you correctly, he finds this tribe admirable? They sound like Olympic level cretins,
Yep. He deeply admires and respects them. He also says they are the happiest people he ever met. Most dumb people are pretty happy.
He even gave up his supposed belief in God because of their rejection.
There’s a fellow I work with, uber-Christian, who married a girl who was raised by missionary parents in the Congo. He’s no dissident (in fact, his wife is miraculously more normal than he is) but he’s told me about the fact that his in-laws lament the fact that members of their own congregation will continue to steal things right out in the open, despite repeated Christian admonitions to the contrary. They’ve been living there a couple decades, witnessing this shit the entire time, and yet they still persist in trying to make a silk purse from a sow’s ear. The… Read more »
I read the book 10 + years ago and remember it dawning on me once I closed the back cover: Hmmmph – he reached a conclusion before ever writing this book – which consisted of his preconceived notions to support a preconceived conclusion.
White privilege. White ability. White discipline. White genes. Born to the manor. Jealousy rears its ugly head again.
An oft quoted phrase (below) but it really cuts to the hear of the matter. You can explain the entire modern era and dysfunction with that simple word you posted above: jealousy. Or some form of it, hatred, fear, etc. They are all bundled together by people that realize that the 300,000 year head start genetically (if you follow HBD science) is a bar that can only be lowered by either capturing white genes through admixture (jews masterfully did this all through the 19th and 20th century, thanks to the naivete of Eastern europeans and Russians primarily. Or the alternative,… Read more »
Which is why we must separate from them and stop supporting them so they don’t feel so bad about themselves and can go back to eating one another…
Separation assumes all of this perceived jealousy is on the part of minorities. I believe the behavior is supported by a lot of research in White groups as well. It’s really the basis of lots of public policy decisions when you get down to it. Folks will often chose to be equally poor rather than unequally rich if given the choice/power.
So getting separated from minorities is only half the battle. In some instances, I can see needing to separate from “Good Whites” as well.
How do you eat an elephant?
One bite at a time Brother…
That’s why the Elves sailed off to the west.
Joseph Sobran, 1997: “Western man towers over the rest of the world in ways so large as to be almost inexpressible. It’s Western exploration, science, and conquest that have reveled the world to itself. Other races feel like subjects of western power long after colonialism, imperialism and slavery have disappeared. The charge of racism puzzles Whites who feel not hostility, but only baffled good will, because they don’t grasp what it really means: humiliation. The White man presents an image of superiority even when he isn’t conscious of it. Superiority excites envy. Destroying White civilization is the inmost desire of… Read more »
I’ve been told by liberals how “lucky” I am to have been born in the west. I look at them and laugh as I say that luck had nothing to do with it. I am the culmination of millennia of my ancestors diligence and sacrifice, I could not have been born to any other people or place. When I further express my pride in my forefathers, the liberal mood further worsens as I reject their projection of shame and guilt. That’s usually the end of it but they’ll get the classic “fk right off” if they really want it.
Perhaps the biggest “shit hole” in the world is Iceland. No, I’m not putting them down. Just showing that such a barren, god forsaken place can be developed and made into a comfortable home for thousands of *Whites* when they put their minds to it. Just about anyplace in Africa is superior in climate and resources—and yet…
Every person on this planet has a perfect right to be proud of his ancestors. I’m not into multiculturalism, so don’t go off on me. But if you piss on your own ancestors, what exactly is it that you presume to possess that gives you a right to piss on mine?
“The Jewish people don’t have a big trophy case like the people of the Occident.”
Well now, that would depend on what sort of achievement you deem worthy/fit for your trophy case. Do you value creation of or power over something? Some might say that the modern Occident near-entirely is IN the Jewish trophy case.
“This is a very Christian dynamic. The good white, like the good Christian, embraces the fallen state of mankind.”
THAT is putting the cat among the pigeons….
A girlfriend gave me GGS to read when it first came out. I flipped through the intro,v saw that he was claiming, simultaneously, that a) people are all the same, and b) the literal Stone Age primitives of Papua New Guinea are the smartest on earth, and burst out laughing. Our relationship ended not long after, for some reason.
You shoulda redpilled her. It’s not that hard, especially if you have a close relationship to the person. Everyone we pull out of the matrix is a potential asset. Even wahmens. You can start by just asking questions. Once you keep at it they will realize that their answers really don’t make any sense at all. Then the introspective process begins…
GGS was published in 1997, so the red pill wasn’t really a thing back then. It was the End of History back then, remember? And we weren’t that close – “girl friend” is a euphemism for a more…. casual… relationship.
I don’t actually, I’m a youngster so I was just a little kid in 97. Still, even if you aren’t close, the question asking route can be effective. Easy one too, New Guineans… smartest on earth.. can’t be too hard to eviscerate that theory.
Diamond completely misunderstood the difference between “intelligent” and “skilled”. It’s really common among urban intellectuals to be overly impressed when they go out into the woods (or the jungle) when they find out people can function in a (to them) frightening and alien environment.
In John Milton`s Paradise Lost” from 1667 he writes that,
“ The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven.”
The same can be said about human nature and it’s diversity.
I didn’t read Guns, Germs and Steel in depth, but I remember glancing through it in a book store. Oddly it reminded me of a book about the Kennedy assassination by David Lifton, “Best Evidence”. What they had in common was that the author had spun a perfectly plausible, detailed and perfectly internally consistent alternate explanation for a historical occurrence. The problem in both cases wasn’t that the theory was implausible, the problem was that, plausible or not, the author presented not a whit of evidence that the plausible occurrence had actually occurred. Basically, the tactic is that the author… Read more »
That’s a really good observation about Lifton’s book, and yes, it does have a lt in common with Diamond, now that you mention it.
<I>People in modern democracies, particularly bourgeois people, need to believe that all people are born with the same innate talents and abilities.</i>
This is a white thing, not a bourgeois or democracy thing.
It ties in with whites pathological altruism, over deference to authority and High rate of out-group preference.
Probably a biological imprint left on Europeans by a millennia of domination by the Christian church.
Helpful Pro Tip since I’m seeing a couple days of the same issue here. Lots of people using tags still <i></i>, etc. for Italics. If you look at the bottom of the posting window those are now provided for you with click buttons. So you can easily change modifiers with a few button clicks. This has been a Public Service Announcement, thank you!
Bourgeois or democracy don’t exist outside the Occident and not all whites are bourgeois and egalitarian minded.
But that same Church encouraged “out group preference” of defensive violence (Crusades) for millennia. And as Zman points out, NAWALT. In fact, you can’t even say EWALT (enough whites are like that). There is a certain subgroup that seems to go for that thing, and they have somehow gotten into positions of power taking the masses along with them. ‘Tis a mystery.
Big nose has much to answer for in this past century. The purblind stupidity of the virtue signaling egalitarian believing “good whites” is breathtaking to behold. Like the pics of those jackoffs shuffling along in chains and yokes as atonement for white privilege, or something. The excuse making for blacks lack of anything (other than outsized criminality & violence) is simply off the charts.
I would like to propose a law which would state that any missionary must remain at least ten years in the country where his “mission” takes him. If I were king, I would not even let them come back. Once you left to go on a mission, you lost your citizenship. I really can’t stand these people.
Epaminondas, I hear you. But I can also testify wrt a friend from church who went on a “mission” of sorts for the church to help the poor Christians down South build homes for themselves. He went once and came back red-pilled. Took him one mission and what he described to me wrt the people he was helping could make quite a blog posting for this group. So it’s a two edged sword I believe.
I heard Homes for Humanity was a reverse minstrel show, where welfare blacks with Cadillacs could watch sweaty, grinning whites build them a nice house.
“Habitat for Humanity.” Yes, exactly.
A friend of mine had the same experience. He went to Peru to “help” the people there. Reality intruded and he discovered that the Peruvians were filthy and dumb…and could not be helped. Nor did they desire to be “helped”.
Jared Diamond was a geographer by education and an anthropologist by aspiration. Serendipitously for him, he was not born with a sufficient IQ to become the latter, and hence failed at real science, but succeeded proto-xerlscience. A healthy society culls the stupid, which is how all cohorts of our species advance.
Tom; High IQ anthropologists_? Have you met any lately_? Asking for a friend. Pre the complete MultiCulti, soft Marxist pozzing of Big U, there used to be lively debate among the 5 or so competing anthropology schools of thought. One of those took the (obvious to me) position that cultures compete, some succeed, some don’t. So it took some IQ back in the day just to keep all the competing schools’ arguments and their various bodies of selective ethnographic evidence straight. No more_! SJW Rules, Baby_! [best Austin Powers voice] So no more selection for Q, much less for IQ.… Read more »
I think all of the practitioners of the soft sciences should have to compete at least once a year in the Octagon and duke it out to the death. It’s the only way to be sure.
I attempted to read Guns, Germs and Steel a number of years ago. If I recollect correctly, I got through two chapters and decided reading any further would be a waste of time. It was clear by that point that it was an exercise in making sweeping “scientific” conclusions based on cherry picked anecdotal evidence. For the same reason I have never been able to come close to finishing anything by Malcolm Gladwell. These folks claim to be presenting “science” in a form accessible to the Average Joe, when in fact they are taking a desired conclusion, usually one that… Read more »
It’s funny how that works, Ozark. I remember my posturing teachers in high school, sneering with disgust at the fascists of Nazi Germany and now they used fake science to prove Jews were subhuman apes. And how all the stupid krauts fell for it and got duped into mass murdering 6 million innocent Jews. And today – most of them are environmentalists, SJW’s and accept Xirl Science and its other variants. At the rate we’re going that will be the next big seller – a scientific screed that proves white people are subhuman apes. Stock up on beer, ammo and… Read more »
Politics is downstream of culture and culture is downstream of biology. The differences between us are not only not skin deep, but begin with significant observed genomic variation in the neural, endocrine, and immune systems. Different peoples have different preferences for how to socially, economically, and politically organize themselves and these preferences are rooted in biology. There is no ‘one-size-fits-all’ way for humanity to live together in peace. Diversity has never been a strength anywhere at any time in human history. The way forward is omni-nationalism (many nationalisms) where each large group has their own space and is in complete… Read more »
I’m a clinical lab guy, specifically a blood banker. Trust me, if I fail to take into account the sex and race of the patient, very bad things can happen.
Well, I can tell you on our current trajectory within probably 5 years max you will not be taking either of those metrics anymore since the lunatics are now in controls of all levers of power. If you doubt this, something directly related to your field from Unz yesterday:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/uh-oh-the-social-justice-jihadis-are-starting-to-take-race-is-just-a-social-construct-seriously/
No need to worry about proteins / bloodtyping, das rayciss! Just use different words… the control of language is primary in the authoritarian narrative. 1984 was a roadmap for how important changing words are to building the prison of the mind.
I guess there’s an upside to this. These SJWs can’t help but constantly virtue signal, so they’ll be easy to identify. Just be sure to read their bios when choosing a provider. Also, people who decide that that’s the provider they want might leave the gene pool a little earlier…
What’s interesting is that the same set of persons who claim gender (as opposed to sex) and race are social constructs are exactly those whose academic publications are all ABOUT gender and race, and it’s generally NOT cast in the form of “these are artificial constructs” but rather in terms of “disparities.”
If we don’t have an ocean that separates us then we would be in a constant state of war until one side wiped out the other…They would never leave us alone because we have what they want and can’t produce themselves…
I’ve tried to tell liberals that borders exist because tribes cannot get along without them. It seems quite unsatisfactory to them, even though they’ve never considered the possibility.
Blasphemer. Murder hornets and African killer bees built the railroads and this county.
Naturally, those true believer whites – which is to say, almost all whites – never feel the need to personally atone for their luck/white privilege by living in mixed areas or giving away a substantial portion of their net worth to non-whites.
Recently a friend’s wife – it’s always the wife – lamented the poverty of black children and how it made it hard for them to afford college. (BS, of course, but another story). I suggested that she give her kids’ 529 plan money to charities that help pay for black kids to go to college.
Crickets.
“…how it made it hard for them to afford college.”
As you note, BS. I have years of experience in this area. There are so few Americanized-Africans (~44 million mean iq 85) that have both the interest and the ability to do the work that departments cherry-pick and import from abroad the best out of the MUCH more numerous baseline African populations (>1billion mean iq 71) to fill their diversity billets. Literally, academic affirmative action exists not to help the descendants of slaves but to stroke shitlib egos.
Yep. Obama was a very good example of how AA works on the ground. I know some guys who run businesses that require pretty bright people. They’re always looking for that magic black guy. The only time they can find one, which is very, very rare, the guy always has some African last name.
Brain drain is real. Africa is losing what little decent human capital they have, not that it would matter.
When I was bankstering I was constantly being proffered various vibrants for a seat on my desk,- in one case with an additional headcount if I took a female one. The bitching whining snivelling and wailing when I produced a genuine Ghanaian (with a big round face like the blackest sun) that I’d been coaching on the side for a couple of years, was epic. Somehow the headcount vanished,
Great story Bile.
Things no one wants to talk about: ethnic groups are real, and I don’t mean just race. I’ve worked with Igbo Nigerians who were sharp.
Brain drain works at the local level as well. One of the side effects of the Great Society and the legislated ending of deed restrictions was that Blacks of the “talented tenth” could now move out of segregated areas. Almost over night the Black neighborhoods were removed of their best and brightest. And so we have the concentrated ignorance and violence found today in our inner cities.
Hasn’t helped a lot of rural white communities either.
I merely challenge the “Blacks too poor to afford college” folks to name one documented instance of any qualified Black unable to afford college. As pointed out, any Black student who has any ability to warm a seat for four years in University can easily get a complete ride. And yes, Blacks outside the country are most sought after when the school requires more than a room temperature IQ. Personal example, son and his best friend went to a private engineering school. Both were top of the graduating class in different areas. Parents were invited to special breakfast with Deans… Read more »
Actually, I disagree. I don’t care how smart or hard working members of another tribe are. They’re not my tribe and I don’t want them in my land.
Nothing personal against them, just tribal business.
The school was private, not to my understanding on the public dime. Therefore, those who can afford it, purchase dtheir place there. As long as merit remains the criteria for those who attend, I’m content. One other thing along those lines, the school had a large number of Russian faculty (former USSR types). These guys were tops in their fields and fled as soon as they could get out of that shitshow called communism. Perhaps they took a US graduate’s job, I don’t know. But I do know they impressed my son as none other. These guys literally berated the… Read more »
How many student and faculty slots do the Japanese allow foreigners to take in their universities? How many of those get to stay after graduating?
It’s not about merit. It’s about tribe/family. Let them train their own. Should we let into the country anyone who is a great guy or smart? Would Israel let in 20 million super high-IQ Chinese because they’re smart and hard-working?
Of course not, because they aren’t family. Simple.
What about tribe/family do you not get?
You’re very lucky, Citizen.
You are absolutely right in all of that. It’s always the woman, it’s always the same hypocrisy, and when you bust them on it, as you did – the response is usually NOT crickets – it’s shocked disbelief, then rage, then accusations of racism, fascism, crimethink, etc etc.
You’re right. It was crickets this time, but usually, I’m met with anger and accusations when I point out their logical inconsistencies and hypocrisy. And their husbands – who I know or, at least, suspect – agree with me never say a word. The women are the most hostile, but that’s just nature’s way. Women need the tribe for protection so they will defend its dogma most intensely. We live in a theocracy – the Cult of Equality – so women will accept and defend its beliefs the most. It’s in their DNA. Women follow whomever they believe is in… Read more »
“We trash on white women a lot around here, but the truth is that white men don’t offer them another community/tribe that will protect them.”
Wow. Something tells me that’s the secret sauce, the something that would bring the men together.
Lot going on here. Back in the day, I was thinking about joining the State Department because reasons. In preparation, there was a reading list and on that list was both of the books Z mentions in this post. I couldn’t be bothered with Guns, but I read Why Nations Fail and thought it to be complete crap. That helped soften the blow when they found my narrative of how I benefited from my many multicultural experiences to be not very compelling. But, yeah, it’s important to understand that this sort of thing is exactly what the people running American… Read more »
“…but they cooperated with the intelligence that was their inheritance.”
That inheritance was PAID in full, in advance, with the suffering and death of their forebears. (before the industrial revolution boreal winters were a bitch) We have higher mean cognitive and cooperative capabilities than Africans because the excessively stupid and uncooperative were weeded out of our gene pool. East Asians went through a similar process and Africans did not.
It is not our responsibility to fix this problem which is not of our making, but to isolate ourselves from the consequences.
Yeah, but it wasn’t paid by us. From our perspective, it was a gift. My great-grandfather tamed a homestead in North Dakota, I only inherited some of his grit. He earned it.
I think my point is that what we have is, in some important way, not really ours to do with as we see fit. We don’t really have the right to settle Somalians in Minnesota and it’s only a lack of respect that makes anyone consider it.
BTP, wise words. As I was taught by the nuns in parochial school, we are to be “good stewards” of the resources bequeath to us. Of course they were talking about ecology/environmental type BS. But the concept extends to how one passes down ones inheritance as well.
Good article. We are gonna need more of that Good White Bible after the police get a good mugging in Minneapolis over that dumb cop.
Congregation! Please turn to the book of blacks don’t have any mercy on whitey for any mistakes and read from Chapter 3 verse 3.
I wonder what that jo99er was up to. Did he accidentally fall underneath a walking policeman?
Be careful there, as some questions are not allowed.
I remember the Rodney King issue many years back. My father had recently retired from the LAPD and had some inside info. Basically, RK got the beating he deserved, but the cops who did it were too stupid to do it in private.
A few years after some liberal asked him about it. He turned it back on her by pointing out that RK had, once again, been arrested for domestic violence.
Damm right Rodney deserved it.
The month before he’d split some black lady cashier’s skull with a crowbar.
Yep, RK was definitely a low life. Hell, even his multimillions in settlement were pissed away quIckly. However, let’s be careful with the street justice applause. The resulting riots from his “just” beating left dozens dead and injured and millions in property damage.
Such is the problem with our vibrancy these days. Chose your battles wisely.
Meanwhile the hysteria over the original Jogger reaches new levels of outlandishness I never thought would have been possible. Not only has the guy filming the whole accident been arrested and charged with felony murder, but according to the latest Radio Derb, law enforcement is hunting for the McMichaels’ childhood schoolteachers and have even hauled in their dentists and Starbucks baristas for questioning. I honestly can’t tell if the Derb was joking or if those things actually happened. And still no wall-to-wall coverage from the MSM on the slaughter of the Marinos. Regarding this latest accident… who cares. I’m under… Read more »
“I don’t care about other tribes.”
The way to deal with that, since it rubs the wrong way, is to punish anything that brings shame or harm to one’s Skin.
Self-policing. Notice that our betters have lost control of it, and it’s eating them alive. More proof then that theirs is the social construct, based on imposed projection.
[That is, (((projection))).]
VoxDay put it far more succinctly than I could in his blog today -you do not “take sides against your own civilization due to the moral failure of a handful of men.” The reverse also applies (contra Compsci above) – you do not take sides against your own due to the purported brilliance or ability to pay by others.
Steve Sailer has written a lot about Diamond over the years. Here’s an interesting meeting Steve had with Diamond from a 2005 article in Vdare: As far as I can tell, Diamond only lectures, never debates. I’ve never heard of him ever allowing himself to be dragged into a public discussion with a well-informed opponent. I talked to Diamond once after he gave a speech. We were chatting nicely until I asked him a tough question along the lines outlined above: Wouldn’t different agricultural environments select for different hereditary traits in different locales? I mentioned how James Q. Wilson’s The Marriage Problem has a… Read more »
The thing I love about tat story is I have had a similar experience, but in a different context. When I was into showing up at conservative events, I’d o the same thing. I’d raise an uncomfortable issue with some grandee and they would always sprint away. They made a show of it too. Hazony did this at his event. Total coward.
Was Hazony really a coward or just a con man not wanting to admit the con?
I understand Jewish motivations and tactics. They’re running a disinformation campaign. Doesn’t do any good to acknowledge that fact.
OTOH, gentile whites peddling the same stuff are far more fascinating. Their motivations and end goals vary greatly.
“And.”
After The One was introduced to the U of Chicago faculty after being appointed visiting professor of something or other John Lott approached him and asked a question causing Barry to sprint off without a word.
Sounds like my experience with a prominent Presbyterian who spent a lot of time in Africa paying for wells to provide clean water. I pointed out that this merely increased the birth rate, and ended up overpopulating areas that could not sustain this population increase…thereby putting pressure on Europe to accept yet more African immigrants who were “distressed”. Dude walked away. He didn’t want to hear it.
I apologise to our muscular Christians, who surely take something genuinely fortifying from it, but I really do buy the Nietschean (and now neo-Nietschean) argument that Christianity was Slave Morality 1.0, Marxism was 2.0, and now Multiculturalism is 3.0
Sperg; You are, of course, free to buy whatever you like, but for the benefit of other readers, I must point out that you are mistaken in your views. I hope you’ll reconsider. Re slave religion: Historically, some slaves were Christians and some were not. Some Christians were not slaves and some were. Neither state is determinative of the other. The Christian view is that there are two kinds of slaves, horizontal (slaves to other men) and vertical. In the vertical dimension, a man is either a slave to sin and death or a servant (not slave) of God and… Read more »
The most irritating thing about Marxism is the constant refrain of “the workers” as if they were only fit for a plow harness, and every crop and field were the same.
Because this book is both dangerous and so poorly argued it is useful in picking apart all the foundations of Blank Slatism. This is especially true in circles of people who think of themselves as educated, well-read, contemplative, etc… Faulk’s video is very good. There are also a lot of very critical reviews from academics of the book. It’s now more accepted in anthropology depts than it was when it came out. This tells you something about the ever declining state of the academy. Anthropology depts were largely already progressive and anti-white in the late 90s but there were limits… Read more »
“We should read the books our enemies see as creedal. If we understand where their objections to group differences come from they become easier to pick apart.”
Precisely. That’s why I called GG&S a good read. It is a pretty good compendium of oft used argument(s) against HBD. One needs to be familiar with it, rather than just condemning it off hand.
The follow up book, “Collapse”, is not as good a read, but does illustrate the author’s biases wrt ecology as does GG&S wrt HBD.
Question I really don’t know the answer to myself: do you think the authors mentioned in this post really believe their theories or not?
I don’t know, to be honest. All three are plenty smart enough to know better. Guys like Shapiro and Hazony are smart enough to be intrigued by elaborate intellectual constructs that have no validity. Diamond seems to know he is a liar and why he is lying. That said, knowing the inner thoughts of another is impossible.
I’m not sure that they ever really thought about whether they believed their theories. It fit a narrative that works for them personally and their people so that’s the only truth they need.
They believe in their theories insofar as those theories reinforce a larger truth. Early medieval scholars were the same. Their writings were more concerned with the “Truth” than the facts. Current whites conflate the two, but, historically, they are two different things.
Good point. Pilpul at work. Good and Evil defined by what’s good for the group vs what’s bad for the group. They always take their side as do almost all groups except for that easily bamboozled one from that little peninsula on the western edge of the Asian continent.
The highest Law:
“You took one of ours…”
Without guilt.
Without mercy.
Without relent.
To our great credit, we tried to be nice. We bent over backwards to be fair. And look where it got us.
Yeah, maybe it’s better to look at what they’re doing as theology rather than scholarship: trying to produce clever arguments that reinforce the core, never-to-be-questioned dogmas.
They spend a lot of time trying to convince themselves of it, if they don’t believe it.
Without a fully functioning Jewdar you’d have no way to make sense of all this.
I was so confused as to why whites would work so hard and come up with such elaborate falsehoods to undermine their own kin before I put that one together. Once I did it was very cathartic. It all made sense now. It wasn’t our group trying to undermine our own kind for some suicidal reason, it was an alien group undermining our power in order to maintain their own supremacy. It actually made me happy in a way. I was very blackpilled on whites before I started asking the JQ. Now I love my people and want to do… Read more »
Because some Whites have no “kin”. That is to say, little ingroup as opposed to outgroup preference.
That’s not inherent to us though. We are brainwashed into believing it’s evil to express a preference for our own. It’s an unnatural state for our people to be in and so it can be undone. If the brainwashing ever stopped for an extended period it would go away on it’s own.
Amen to that! I was a weepy p*ssy thinking that we were the sinners deserving punishment.
The JQ should always be asked especially when it comes to insane or suicidal social notions being promulgated through white society.
The Bagel eaters just can’t help themselves when it comes to tearing down white society.
“Bagel eaters.” Love it.
Since you’re on the subject of race, Zman, have you heard that “birdwatcher” is the new “jogger”?
This story (despite the fact that she is a leftist) reeks of total bullshit.
https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-coopers-park-20200526-m4yhi6vkcfea3kxk3ntjc736s4-story.html
Tax slave, look up yesterday’s comments.
Both sides of that idiocracy were covered nicely.
“birdwatcher” is the new “jogger”–Zzzing!
I, for one, have no interest in inquiring into Jared Diamond’s ethnic loyalties.
“Germs” was first introduced to me by a very smart Persian man that I was working with in the dot com era. He pushed it on me with an aggression that I did not understand at the time. I now see it as civilizational resentment.
I used to hold a similar view when I was a Good White. But exposure to other ethnic groups quickly banished such silly views.
Ethnic loyalties DO MATTER Just because you have SJW leanings doesn;’t mean squat to brown skinned ethnics or to Jews. All they see is a white SUCKER.
“Guns, Germs and Steal.”
I am sure it was a typo, but that would have been a great title too.
I made the mistake of taking an Introduction to Sociology course at an Ivy League university about ten years ago.
Literally every single thing we read in the class boiled down to: making excuses for black people.
Diamond is squarely in that tradition. There is just an absolutely enormous industry devoted solely to this practice. And “respectable” academics will publish absolutely absurd theories in order to stand out in this crowded field.
The strange thing is that they’ve built mountains of lies in order to hide two humble little letters:
IQ
You broke it, you bought it.
That is a fact in so many cultures. Now what specific, plausible solutions are there to addressing those broken cultures?
Z-man, you described my brother in law perfectly. Very “Christian”, liberal guy who, every time some incident like the recent cop/knee thing happens, gets all self-righteous on facebook about white privilege. Meanwhile, he has to be the most Southern white guy I’ve ever known. Honestly, I’m embarrassed for him. He seems to think it makes him better than others.
Have some fun with him. Ask him whether he’s thinking of moving his family to a mix neighborhood and/or sending his kids to a mixed school so they don’t have so much privilege. Seriously, though, a great tactic with people like this is to be 100% on their side. Agree 100% that white privilege is real and horrible. Then, just follow the logic to its natural conclusion: Whites should be stripped of their wealth and forced to live with other groups so our ill-gotten culture/privilege can rub off on them. Your brother-in-law doesn’t really believe what he’s saying. If he… Read more »
I like that tactic, Citizen. Another one that’s fun to do is also agree 100 percent that white privilege is a problem. But first we should work on a couple of larger problems: Asian Privilege and Jewish Privilege. After all, those two groups make more money per capita than whites, do well in school, etc. Then watch your leftist friend shut up real fast about white privilege.
Yeah, I’ve done that before. It’s extremely effective. And you’re right, it’s literally like a mute button. They look at you for a second and then just shut up. No response either way, just silence.
This are the moments when I most wish I was clairvoyant. To be able to see exactly how the gears were turning in their heads would be very entertaining.
I get your point. But the only way to strip a White of his wealth would be to take it, and then prevent him from further accumulation of wealth. In short, make him a slave or a prisoner. For if left to compete in a fair economic process, he will again acquire such wealth from his inferiors.
I live inside the Beltway near Chevy Chase. Full of virtue-signaling leftists. Every third house “Hate Has No Home Here”, that sort of thing. But now the neighborhood is full of signs for two white guys running for school board after the Diversity board members started advocating school busing with the explicit justification of changing demographic mix in schools. Hilarious, or would be if the stakes weren’t so high. Deep down, my neighbors must acknowledge reality, but I’m convinced that virtue-signaling feeling is intoxicating, as long as there’s no risk. Conclusion: some SWPLs can be brought to this side of… Read more »
Outer NoVa here. Same deal. Used to live in Arlington which is just to the left of San Francisco. Man, the howls that you would here from diversity-loving liberals when the school board started talking about moving school district lines to get more Hispanics into white schools or vice versa. Watching them try to explain their opposition to the plan without mentioning race was a ball. It was then that I understood that there was no reasoning with these people. They would never admit the truth – and they would let every other white kid except their own get thrown… Read more »
I’m in the minority in my neighborhood already. Looking to move south and out of NoVA.
I view the “Hate Has No Home Here” signs as “Cliff’s Notes” for neighborhood accountability files 🙂
Why on earth would you even want SWPLs on this side? Traitors cannot and should not be trusted.
Outdoors;
Yeah. I don’t know why we can’t just say that it’s wrong to kill a now incapacitated guy by kneeling on his neck even if he’s been a jerk, and leave it go at that.
Perhaps it’s not that wrong? No, we should not readily accept that folks should die when being restrained, but I’ve seen police put a knee on a down man’s head or neck more than once in videos. Usually, the suspect is cuffed quickly and it’s over when there are two or more cops. Here there were four and one looked like he was more interested in moving the public back than subduing the suspect. He didn’t even turn around to watch. So is this a subduing tactic gone wrong, or brutality with an logical expectation of physical harm? We need… Read more »
I had to read GGS way back in the mid 90s as an undergrad. I find it quaint now that we know that Europeans (and to a lesser extent some Asians) have Neanderthal genes. Guess who doesn’t? Negroes.
I still watch various science videos on YouTube. Every now and then there’s one about human evolution. At some point they will mention that modern Europeans basically came about through hybridizing with Neanderthals and Asians from both that and a less well known group called the Denisovans. Then they will mention the fact that Africans seem to have no infusions of genes from either group. You can almost hear the “moving right along” after they bring that up. It’s tempting to wonder if there might be something in this that, well, explains certain things… We must resist those temptations though… Read more »
It really starts sinking in with the new science that Neanderthals were not stupid, hairy brutes, and likely were just as intelligent as Homo sapiens. They’ll endlessly bang on about Neanderthal genes for red hair or straight hair but seem curiously uninterested in Neanderthal genes in our brains, and what that implies for Negro cognition.
We’re really a different species, but that’s unspeakable Badthink.
Accepting observable reality of biological diversity is not incompatible with a belief in original sin. That a Catholic believes all humans may achieve salvation through God’s grace does not mean he also believes all humans will or can, no matter how much he wishes they would.
I was bought this book for Christmas by my brother in law, so read it in full. I was not aware of the JQ at the time so assumed JD was ‘whitey’ and sincere in his arguments. But I was working in South Sudan back then and fully understood how Africa really works, so I was better informed than most. I felt that the title was completely wrong, and simply needed to be called ‘agriculture’. His argument was very weak and full of fallacies and I didn’t like the book much. Also he put a load of random photos of… Read more »
I brought David Landes book when it came out. I was a subschriber to “The Economist” back then and they had given his book a poor review. They didn’t like that he wrote that culture made such a difference. So, it was a tabu back then too.
In 2007, Michael Hart published “Understanding Human History” which pokes plenty of holes in Diamond’s theories.
“can’t remember the exact reason but I think it was to do with their internal mapping of their tribal area” This sounds like arguments made in favor of the supposed intellectual superiority of Australian aboriginals on the basis of the their mythology regarding “Songlines” laid down by semi-mythical ancestors and completely mythical spirits. To be clear, I actually have no problem with people having a mythical (and/or mystical) belief connecting them to the land and their ancestors. That might even be a good thing. Where I have a problem is twofold: 1) how much do I have to bend my… Read more »
Z Man; Here’s a added point of evidence that Why Nations Fail is a conclusion in search of justification. The Amazon review you link makes a big deal out of S Korea’s prosperity vs N Korea’s awful poverty. How many people here know that S Korea is now a highly Christian country that sends missionaries to Europe and N America_? And it has been for quite some time. Looking around the skyline of Seoul even in the early 1990s I could hardly escape seeing crosses on substantial buildings at every azimuth. Cause, effect or coincidence_? Being a Christian myself, I’m… Read more »
Spent a few months in Seoul in 1996 and that was one of the first things one noticed, the red neon crosses on top of so many buildings at night.
Worth noting that for as bad as the government in NK is and for as impoverished as the nation is they still have pretty functional nuclear and rocket programs. That’s thing people gloss over in regards to the Soviet Union, for as bad a system as it was, it accomplished remarkable things, but the same system in the hands of Latin Americans just leads to open sewers, starvation and zero accomplishments.
really the question then becomes: are “good whites” really white any longer?
Some never were.
Guns, Germs and Steel is a great book because it shows even lengthy up close exposure to diversity is useless in convincing the egalitarian that he is wrong.
Jared “Limestone” spent years among some tribe in New Guinea and even this up close personal exposure to the low iq natives did nothing to lessen his enthusiasm for his egalitarian worldview. They make Africans seem positively genius in comparison.
Worse, he just makes stuff up in the book.
More like “Jared Zirconium,” nowhut im sayin?
The interesting aspect of Diamond’s book is that it catalogs in some detail the profound difference between human populations. Whatever the cause of that is, the fact remains that the populations are separated by a gulf that cannot be bridged.
Guns and Bibles are the first things to get banned when a political regime changes. And not for the better.
A book like Guns, Germs and Steel could only originate from a Jewish mind. Because unlike Jews, Europeans did not have the good luck to be born into a society their ancestors did not create. For Jews it really is just the luck of birth. Had their ancestors chose some other destination, like the Middle East, they would have been born into very different circumstances. But this is not true of the European. The European is born into his homeland that HIS ancestors created. For him, it could not have happened any other way. Had he been born in some… Read more »
Is anyone else having a problem with their spell-checker with this new comment system? I made a couple of typos and they turned red for a second or two and then the red went away. I have not had this problem with other commenting systems or the old one here.
Spell checker seems not to work. Word is obviously wrong, not very complex, and when I jump to look up on the net, the correct spelling appears immediately along with definition and stuff.
When discussing this book with a liberal, has anyone simply pointed out that in the book Diamond says that race differences resulting from selection are real (the Papuans)? Therefore it’s certainly possible that HDB white nationalists are correct (the racial hierarchy is reversed from what Diamond claims). That the harsh selection pressures on Papuans favors living in a stone age jungle culture.
What would they say back if they like the book and cite it as an authoritative source?
The fact that so many white people can be self-hating is a luxury born of white success. The minute our civilizations hit the rocks, and it won’t be long, a lot of whites will suddenly be thrust into vulnerability. If you’re not racist, you’re not paying attention.
There’s just no way for most of the “normal” folks to get out of the maze the creative, cognitive, corporate and political classes have built. They just don’t have the time, interest or ability — or they haven’t yet been personally confronted with some significantly crystalizing event that makes them look to other paths. Our betters are so skilled and experienced at constructing this that the targets of the deception can’t see out. I remember how I saw things those long years; I actively read and questioned; I was wired to see the systemic conflicts, hypocrisy and craziness; I wasn’t… Read more »
“I wasn’t happy with what I saw around me but still fervently, then wistfully, then desperately clung to the fantasy. I considered myself as an out-of-the box thinker, and was seen and labeled that way” That pretty much describes me as well. Was there any particular catalyst that led to the “break”? For me it was a combination of two things happening at once. The catalyst was the Trayvon Martin travesty. The accelerant was having at the time an office mate who loved to argue from the progressive talking points. (Like three hours a day. During work hours. Would NOT… Read more »
#AstronautsSoHwyte
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYyNfA-WAAMwmbY?format=jpg&name=medium
Say what you like about Musk, but he’s (possibly inadvertently) providing a lot of opportunities to Notice.
Edit – also, today is a good day to feel good about Heritage America – there are a massive number of Heritage Americans making this launch possible today.
I heard a twist on Dindu Nuffinism by a purported Black caller to the Jesse Lee Peterson show. He claimed that Jesse shouldn’t concentrate on Black misbehavior because Americans as a whole incarcerated more of their own — including Whites — than other nations. It thought this was an interesting evasion. The caller was trying to submerge Black criminality into ‘American criminality’ as a whole in order to avoid looking squarely at Black crime.
Victor Davis Hansen review of Guns Germs Steel 5/20/05: https://www.nationalreview.com/2005/05/decline-and-fall-victor-davis-hanson/ (forgive the link to National Review–Honk! Honk!) “Jared Diamond’s bestselling Guns, Germs, and Steel argued that geography trumped culture, and that the current privileged position of the West was therefore mostly attributable to the advantageous resources in, and location of, Western countries, rather than to Europe’s singular values. ………At some point a Cleisthenes, Plato, Augustine, Magna Carta, Sistine Chapel, Thomas Edison, or Albert Einstein–and the thinking and substructure that produced them–is worth more than long, indented coastlines and concentrations of iron ore. …….And if Diamond believes that is so because Icelanders finally… Read more »
Love VDH, but the experiment he suggests has basically been performed in South Africa and Rhodesia.
VDH for all his anti-immigration bona fides is a CivNat. He will never touch the third rail wrt biological population differences in IQ and behavior. If you are a good American and apply for entry and are admitted, you are in the club.
I was redpilled by observable reality.
a good book that counter guns germs and steel is Michael harts Understanding Human History, which posits group IQ as the driving force behind history. Steve sailer reviewed it as “a real diamond” lol
Excellent recommendation. It’s available for free on archive.org…It came out 10 years after GG&S.
https://archive.org/details/Understanding_Human_History_Michael_Hart/page/n29/mode/2up
One realizes that the grandiose language of the West’s traditional Gutenbergian encyclopedia are the soaring claims of second-raters.
In clouds of glory! Eternal!
All-powerful! All mankind!
They were hirelings and nomads in the shadow of those who built much bigger, but could never admit to it.
Stirring, thrilling, it sure beats moaning in the mud on the other side of Charon.
Loved the kill shot of Z here, “the use of the book Guns, Germs and Steel as an escape hatch.” Admit the reality of massive differences in achievement between different pools of people quickly and then spend an entire book explaining it anyway as centuries of dumb luck and magic dirt. Voila! This same concept also explains the extreme clutching on to items of “cultural appropriation.” If your people and your culture has produced so little compared to the creation of the world we live in then bits of unique fashion, hair styling, and food dishes are so vital to your sense of… Read more »
Some of the thinking on this thread confuses me so if I sound confused, I am just trying to fit in. 🙂 I was big into HBD research before anyone knew what that was. Before it had that name. People are different and heredity plays a huge part in what you will be. Yes, life experiences also play a part, but not as big a one as most people think. Yes, I believe in the 5 laws of HBD. Ok then. How did we get so different? If we talk breeds of dogs to describe differences in tribes of humans… Read more »
God use evolution. Of course he does. Can’t get some fundamentalists to believe this however. If you’re an atheist, go to the next comment. Ever since I was young and became aware of the controversy between some fundamentalists and the scientists promoting evolution, I almost immediately failed to see the conflict. If one is a believer, God created the universe and set it in motion (gave the laws by which it reacts). We see all around us in everything and every way that nothing is static, but change is a constant. Any creation such as man—and all life on earth… Read more »
I really enjoyed that comment. Thanks. I see things pretty much just as you do, but don’t always say it as well as you just did. 🙂
Boy, is this another great post, or what? Thanks Z.
White Man’s Burden was bunk in 1900 and its bunks 120 years later.