In Defense of Kevin Williamson

I’ve made no bones about the fact I don’t like Kevin Williamson. I’ve called him “Sloppy Williamson” and a “gold-plated phony” for years. I think his quill pen act is just that, an act intended to make his otherwise mediocre views appear sophisticated. I know that is probably unfair of me, but some people just bug the crap out of me and Williamson is one of them. I fully accept that I could be wrong in my opinion, although I’m not, and that it is petty and small of me to say mean things about someone I don’t know all that well.

The point is, I take a back seat to no man in my disdain for Williamson and all of the Buckleyite-Conservatarian-Libertarian cabal. To borrow a Derb phrase, I’m a low number hater on this score. That said, what the Atlantic Magazine has done to Kevin Williamson is despicable. In fact, it looks like they plotted it, hiring the guy knowing they would soon fire him, because the lunatics would start howling. Even if the execrable Jeffrey Goldberg is simply a spineless pussy who folded to pressure, firing Williamson is immoral.

Kevin Williamson is a guy with bills and responsibilities. He needs an income like most everyone else in this world. Firing someone is never something to be taken lightly, because it is a life altering experience. To hire a guy away from one company, only to fire him a week later, is to recklessly cause harm to another, for no other reasons than a failure to do your job. If Jeffrey Goldberg was really upset by his hiring of Williamson, he should have quit as editor-in-chief, but that would require personal integrity.

There’s a larger point here. The Atlantic is basically succumbing to the mob, one that is most likely entirely artificial. It is the ultimate heckler’s veto. A relatively tiny cabal of lunatics get to determine who is and who is not allowed on the public stage. It’s exactly what can never be allowed to happen if you want a civil society. The reason is, torch wielding mobs encourage the formation of counter mobs, who see that their only rational option is to meet force with force. Succumbing to the mob only encourages more of it.

Just as important, from our perspective, is what our Progressive oppressors are trying to establish with this move. All of a sudden, a guy who is slightly to the right of center – maybe – is now beyond the pale. Williamson’s views on social issues like abortion and gender delusions are held by the majority of Americans. What this is about is a new push by our oppressors to make any criticism of their increasingly deranged opinions a disqualifying act. If Williamson can’t get work, imagine what happens to us.

One of the great mistakes of the Buckleyites has been to think they can cut a deal with the Left, by purging people to their right. The various groups in polite conservative circles have been silent as people on our side have been systematically attacked by the orthodoxy and shut out of public debate. Now they find themselves facing the same challenge. Kevin Williamson has just learned that no matter how often he punched right, not matte how much he disavowed our side, Progressives would never accept him.

Welcome to the party pal.

Edit: I dashed this off in five minutes, so I was not clear on a couple of things. One is the dumb cuck had it coming. If you get in bed with Lefty, expect to wake up with a lot of problems. The other thing is these guys give legitimacy to Progressive media by going on their platforms, so I have no sympathy for them when they get thrown off of them. I just wanted to make the point that we either have a public square or we have mob rule. I’m good with either, but I don’t think the people in charge want the latter.

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Chiron
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Chiron

Jeffrey Goldberg wrote in his memoirs how he tortured Palestianian prisoners in Israel and now he is the editor of biggest Liberal rag in the US? He is also friend with Bush’s speech writer David Frum and employed him in The Atlantic.

De Ferrers
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De Ferrers

Most of these liberal rags hire plently of neocons. In fact, it’s the only kind of conservative they hire. What’s worse a theortical Twitter discussion on abortion penalities or actually killing hundreds for thousands of iraqis, thousands of American soilders and mortgaging our future for nothing? It’s disgusting. The hire nutjob war criminals but Sloppy is beyond the pale.

A.T. Tapman (Merica)
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A.T. Tapman (Merica)

Sloppy was fired in less than a week? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.

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No, Goldberg did not “wr[i]te in his memoirs how he tortured Palestianian prisoners”. Sheesh.

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Like you I am also not a fan of Williamson, and hold the same opinion regarding his firing. What makes it worse, if I understand the story correctly, is that he was fired because he is unapologetic in his belief that abortion is murder and should be treated as a crime.

This is a view held by a substantial segment of the U.S. population. Why the heck would they hire this guy if not to allow him to hold opinions different than those of other Atlantic writers?

Karl McHungus
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Karl McHungus

First off, fukk Williamson, hard in the ass. Second of all, then kick him in the balls. You are of course welcome to your opinions ZMan, but for me this just desserts for Sloppy and his ilk. If you jump into the lion cage, you shouldn’t expect to come out of it unmarked.

gebrauschund
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gebrauschund

It might be different if he’d jumped into the cage intending to do battle with the lions, rather than giving them belly rubs.

Mike@Mike.Mike
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Mike@Mike.Mike

I find it necessary to hold Williamson’s firing in context with The National Review’s history of firing conservative/right leaning columnists. I don’t know what Williamson’s opinions are about NR firing Steyn, and Derb, and Sailer(?), and whomever else, but I find it more cowardly that a publication calling itself conservative would fire conservative writers, as opposed to a non-conservative publication doing it for the same reasons. We have seen this before: Progressive media hires token conservative, fires him shortly thereafter for saying conservative things (Limbaugh on ESPN years ago). Why Williamson thought he would avoid that treatment is hard to… Read more »

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For the record… as noted below, Derb thinks KDW opposed his defenestration. And Steyn fired NR for cuckishness in the suit against him, not the other war around.

Other names of those pushed out… Brimelow (and maybe O’Sullivan over Briomelow), Coulter, Buchanan, Sobran… Who am I missing?

Ace Rimmer
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Ace Rimmer

Apparently he wanted the job. My thoughts are, “be careful what you wish for…”

Another learning opportunity.

Dutch
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Dutch

To Williamson’s credit, I’m sure the place gave him an opportunity to roll over and apologize for his badthinks, and to swear to make amends forevermore. The apology session is done to exert control over and exercise a power trip on someone, and he didn’t give in. But as Karl and Mike x3 point out, Williamson was dumb as a box of rocks, if he thought he wouldn’t be put through that type of exercise.

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Zman: “Williamson’s views on social issues like abortion and gender delusions are held by the majority of Americans.”

This and other comments are sidestepping the immediate and glaring reason for the firing. Williamson isn’t just echoing the “majority of Americans”. If that was all, he’d still have a job. He advocated for the actual legal killing of women who’ve had an abortion.

Not a firing offense to me. But let’s not just see what we want to see here. We’re dodging the obvious.

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Wan’t having expressed that opinion in his Wikipedia article?

Goldberg wrote that Williamson had said he would give up twitter and thought he had recanted abortion=murder… but has no explanation or excuse for not asking directly if it was a real concern for him, either before or after hiring KDW away from his $250k/yr NR gig.

Is the money was still there for that? Was Lowry threatening a belt-tightening? Can KDW get his old gig back? Is there a winnable suit against The Atlantic? Questions, questions…

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He was hoisted on his own petard:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/03/donald-trump-white-working-class-dysfunction-real-opportunity-needed-not-trump/
He needs to get a U-Haul, and move to where he can find another job.

I have ZERO sympathy.

Kentucky Headhunter
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Oh, so he’s that guy. Yeah, FUCK that guy with a railroad tie.

Severian
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The Left are terminators – they can’t be bargained with, they can’t be reasoned with, and they will. not. stop. until we are all assimilated. I used to believe in rules and principles. But they’ve destroyed that. At this point, the only thing that will even slow them down is a counter-mob. Make their own tactics hurt so much that they disavow them, and then we can have principles again.

Dutch
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Dutch

How much hurt will make them disavow their tactics? Part of the deal is that they “think” and operate with the emotional part of the brain, that is in it for the phychochemical jollies that it all provides. Not much different than the guy who can’t stay out of girl trouble because he “thinks with the wrong head”. How much grief does that guy suffer before he changes his ways? Way, way more than he should, rationally speaking. You contradicted the second part of your statement with the first part. Tipping them into a vat of hot melted slag is… Read more »

Severian
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I don’t know how much pain will make them stop, but I’m pretty sure someone’s going to give it the old college try here before too long. Look at the nutburger who shot up YouTube. Saner minds than hers might well conclude that “if I’m gonna be accused anyway, I wanna be guilty.” I really hope not, but then again, I really hoped the Left would wake up, too.

Drake
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Drake

I hope Williamson had a good contract and can collect a few years’ worth of salary.

Karl McHungus
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Karl McHungus

I can guarantee that Sloppy will learn nothing from this episode, and will remain the same untrustworthy cuck he always was. He can’t do anything else as this is who and what he is, to the core.

Jay Karknee
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Good point. Perhaps he’ll write a column about it soon, about how this experience has made him grow as a person, how he totally respects the people that fired him, about how the right to fire an employee is part of what makes America great, (in Russia only the thug Putin can fire people!) Williamson will learn nothing, and he will remember nothing.

Pimpkin's Nephew
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Pimpkin's Nephew

I don’t know KW personally, and I don’t know – as you do – how he’ll roll in the days to come. Williamson wrote a short book (The Dependency Agenda) a few years ago detailing the LBJ plan of capturing the black vote by flooding them with freebies; quoth Williamson: “I’ll have them niggers voting Democratic for 200 years” – Lyndon Baines Johnson, 1964. It’s a good book, examining the entirely cynical merger of hard leftists with old-time Klansmen and southern segregationists to overpower the middle America then represented – if only just – by the GOP. The point being… Read more »

Karl McHungus
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Karl McHungus

Hitler did good things too. It’s the bad things Sloppy represents that are critical.

Pimpkin's Nephew
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Pimpkin's Nephew

Uh oh. I added a comment here that “was awaiting moderation”. And now it’s gone. I quoted Williamson – quoting LBJ – in his short book ‘The Dependency Agenda’; it included the n-word and my guess is that it triggered something that now has me on the FBI database as we chat.

EDIT: And now, there it is. Never mind.

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I’ve enjoyed some of his lectures, but he lost me when he made his views of the white working class (i.e., me) known. I can’t imagine how he thought that he could function at The Atlantic. How obtuse do you have to be to think that you can gainsay the Leftists and still have civil relations with them?

Karl McHungus
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Karl McHungus

He probably looks in the mirror and sees George Clooney looking back.

Tax Slave
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Tax Slave

Or George C. Looney’s wife.

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Goldberg is neocon. Williamson is a neocon. It was intended to work and could have. But then the dude’s comments about killing women because of abortion come to light. And Goldberg couldn’t save him if he wanted to.

Not sure why this is so hard to understand.

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What’s hard to understand is why you think Williamson’s “views” were unknown to Jeffry Goldberg/

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Yeah, he’s probably going to get a nice parting check out of this.
Does NR take him back now?

I have never wanted to mess with another man’s income or family. That said, I couldn’t care less what happens to him . I’m sure he will always be way better off than me, at least financially. Ef him.

Pimpkin's Nephew
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Pimpkin's Nephew

Kevin is young enough to pitch hay bales onto flat-bed trucks; it would slim him down and give him a new take on the nature of life. The experience might make him a more incisive writer; if nothing else it would make him into a tanned and slender stud – good for his wife, and for the revival of that vigor essential to the literary craft.

Din C. Nuffin
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Din C. Nuffin

Speaking of Gender Delusions (great term) I’m reading “When Harry Became Sally”, slowly, to keep my blood pressure under control. The author did a great job overall, but I don’t agree with his recommendation of showing “compassion and understanding” for the liberal viewpoints. I think I prefer Ted Nugent’s attitude, if you don’t call out the assholes, you become one. We have been too polite, too long.

Rod1963
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Rod1963

Agree, Williamson is a total POS and quisling. Look writing a piece about wanting white people to die off faster.

This guy is as low as you can go. Bad things deserve to happen to him for advocating genocide.

Pimpkin's Nephew
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Pimpkin's Nephew

Compassion and understanding are what triumphant peoples express toward the vanquished. But they have no place in an existential war.

Lefties don’t need compassion or understanding; they need hard discipline, total commitment to shit jobs at shit pay, with daily reminders that no organic diet and no daily fealty to the gods of plastic recycling will save them from Hell.

Monty James
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We shouldn’t expect anything else from the Enemies Domestic, but I never like seeing them take another scalp. Williamson is going to have to rent a UHaul now, move to where the jobs are, and learn to code.

There is only one thing I had hoped for; why couldn’t this have been the jelly-faced dicksucker Jonah Goldberg?

Karl McHungus
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Karl McHungus

Give it time 🙂

Joseph K
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Joseph K

Earlier today, when I first heard the news, I muttered to myself that Williamson would probably land at Commentary. Sure enough:

https://www.mediaite.com/online/conservative-magazine-swoops-in-to-give-newly-unemployed-columnist-kevin-williamson-next-article/

Williamson probably quickly farted out an article attacking Trump for wanting to pull out of Syria and sent it to John Podhoretz along with ten pounds of Katz’s pastrami. He’ll be fine.

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Modestly funny that Commentary is labeled conservative.

Williamson is controlled opposition. The left needs him in place as a foil and as line of demarcation–thou shalt move no farther right than Williamson. This is why Williamson is constantly punching right.

Williamson is a circus clown. He’s like the fat kid in high school who got an audience with the popular crowd by performing zany antics that amused people. But at the end of the day he’s not in the popular crowd, he’s simply the object of their attention and derision.

TomA
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TomA

Williamson was intentionally targeted and setup for financial and professional assassination. The takeaway lesson is that Progressives are playing for keeps and only the strong among us will survive, which is as it should be. Be strong out there.

Joseph K
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Joseph K

Many Trump supporters, and others on the right and elsewhere have made the point that the American middle/working class was “intentionally targeted and setup for financial and professional [destruction]”. Williamson’s response was to write several articles that not only blamed the victims, but slandered them in the most vituperative, demeaning way possible. Now I doubt Williamson will reach for the crack pipe or the needle, but he’s already accepting charity from John Podhoretz, which is pretty low. The only way for him to save himself is to write an article that says “I deserved it”. I doubt it will happen.… Read more »

TomA
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TomA

“No sympathy here.”

Nor from me either. Weak and stupid are not traits you want to see reinforced in our specie’s hereditary development.

ErisGuy
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ErisGuy

East is East and West is West.

Pimpkin's Nephew
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Pimpkin's Nephew

It’s true that the Progs play for keeps. They are interested in the conquest of the enemy. They are so invested in triumph over us – everyday people – that they can no longer tell you what they are “for”. They’d launch the “Doomsday Device” rather than accept us as human beings. Maybe HG Wells was on to something when he wrote ‘War of the Worlds’. Nothing we could do stopped the invaders, and they grabbed everything; only, the invaders did not take stock in primordial conditions, they died off from cold germs and such that we earthlings had long… Read more »

Rod1963
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Rod1963

Williamson doesn’t get it, this is no country even for cucks. The progtards won the cultural, education and corporate battles. Right now cukcs are tolerated by the progtards as useful idiots. But sooner or later they will all end up on the enemies list like the alt-right and old school conservatives. Look at GW Bush, he was as much a globalist and open borders POS as Obama, yet he was totally reviled by the progtards. You cannot appease the Left. That said too many at-right types still operate in 1985 mode. They don’t get that war has been declared against… Read more »

De Ferrers
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De Ferrers

Here’s the funniest part, his first piece of writing post-national review not only viciously trashed the extremely intelligent and gentile Victor Davis Hanson and fundmentally the national review in general. Mr. Hanson wrote a reponse column a few hours before sloppy’s firing explaining that Sloppy might regret getting into bed with lefty and he might miss nationalreview environment very soon. Then boom, karma. I think he might have burned his national review bridge. What other skills does he have as a shitty blogger with zero skills or expertise? He wrote for small town papers. At least the other guys were… Read more »

Joseph K
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Joseph K

Just look at this bullshit:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/04/05/must-read-ben-shapiro-drops-stone-cold-truth-about-kevin-williamsons-firing-and-the-left-wont-like-it/

Butthurt Ben was, of course, all over Trump for saying women should be “punished” for having an abortion.

Lorenzo
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Lorenzo

I dislike Williamson as much as Zman does. That said, Zman is right that firing Williamson after a week is a despicable act.

Those things said, how’s that UHaul advice sounding now that you have to take it yourself, Kevin?

Karl McHungus
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Karl McHungus

Anything anyone does to a shit bird like Sloppy is fair game. You are the kind of confused soft “conservative” that the left feeds off. Please never vote, or at least ask me who you should vote for. Seriously.

Allen
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Allen

Yes, it’s despicable. is that news to anyone? The left has been doing despicable things for a long time. Williamson tried to dine with the Devil and it ended with entirely predictable results.

I can have some empathy for the man, but he made his choices and he has to live with them. The rest of us have to live with ours. Similarly, The Atlantic. There was no lack of knowledge here, and they weren’t being coerced by mob rule. They did exactly what they wanted to do.

Joseph Moroco
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Hey, this guy expressed that my little Nova Anglian town was dying. How can I mourn his loss of a sinecure.

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Cucks never learn. They are rarely teachable. Williamson got what he deserved.

Wkathman
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Wkathman

Maybe the people in charge do want mob rule. When mobs take over, the rulers have a wonderful excuse to increase their own powers and reduce citizen liberties in the name of restoring order.

S D Niven
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S D Niven

Williamson was clocking 200 g’s + from one of those shadowy neo-con think tanks that also pay Goldberg (Jonah) to think the Really Big Thoughts for the rest of us. So don’t bother taking out your violin to play The Song of Poor Kevin, The Man With Bills & Responsibilities (as though the rest of us don’t have them). Incidentally, I second the guy who said “fukk Williamson, hard in the ass.” I realize the misspelling was likely on purpose to evade the censorware, but I like that touch of the hoi polloi it carries. Particularly when you kick him… Read more »

Ashley Brenton
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Ashley Brenton

Do you suppose Williamson has figured out, at long last, who the enemy is in the Culture War the Right has finally decided to fight after years of conceding the field?