Thoughts On The Current Crisis

Imagine you and a group of your friends come up with what you think is a revolutionary way to improve the world. You’re so sure it is great idea, you and your buddies decide to overthrow the government so you can implement your idea. Now, even assuming your revolutionary idea is legitimate, that is a terrible way to go about changing the world. You and your band of nobodies lack the numbers and the moral authority to take over the government. The most likely result is you get arrested and locked away in a padded cell.

Now, a more rational way of putting your brilliant idea into action is for you and your group to go out and start telling people about it. In a prior age, this meant handing out fliers and knocking on doors to spread the good word. In the current age, you can start a social media campaign and create a YouTube channel, where you post informative videos on your brilliant idea. Maybe someone with a big following on-line notices your efforts and joins the cause. Perhaps someone of importance gets interested in your ideas.

The point of raising awareness and getting people involved in your movement is to increase your numbers. One reason your plot to overthrow the state failed in the first paragraph is you lacked the numbers. If you get a million people to sign onto your cause, then you have a chance. Not only that, when it comes to changing minds, quantity has a quality of its own. People are much more open minded to an idea that has a big following than one held by a tiny fringe group. Human beings are social animals.

On the other hand, numbers alone are not enough. Your revolution in paragraph one, also failed because you still lack moral authority. In a country of 300 million, a million strong movement is still pretty small. The state will feel justified in using extreme force against you and your movement if they see you as a threat. Numbers are not the only reason you failed. The people in charge could operate in the knowledge that most people see them as the legitimate power in the country. Therefore, they can squash all threats.

Revolutions succeed because the prevailing order lost its moral authority. Even though the numbers that oppose them are small, the lack of moral authority means no one is willing to risk much to defend the status quo. The lack of legitimacy is why governments fall, religions collapse and cultures collapse. The Bolsheviks did not succeed because they had a better set of tactics or a plausible alternative. They toppled the Czar because the one thing everyone agreed upon is the old order had to go. Anything had to be better.

That means you and your band of revolutionaries from paragraph one don’t really need a manifestly brilliant idea to change the world. If the prevailing orthodoxy has lost its legitimacy, even a mediocre alternative is enough. If you examine successful revolutions, the alternative on offer is usually quite vague and, in the end, totally impractical. It was more of a sunny vision, a promise for a better day, than a fully considered alternative moral order. It was just something that felt better than the discredited status quo.

The point of all this is that in the current crisis, the job of the dissidents is to build numbers and delegitimize the prevailing order. When the alt-right got full of themselves and decided to it was time to start the revolution, they were squashed like a bug. The reason was they lacked the numbers and they had done nothing to undermine the moral authority of the people in charge. To most white people, the riot in Charlottesville looked like a bunch of fringe weirdos making a nuisance of themselves. They deserved what they got.

Ultimately, revolutions that matter start with the small group in paragraph one and slowly grow into a larger group. That was true of the Jacobins, the Bolsheviks and the Iranian revolutionaries. It was true of the American revolutionaries. The small group grew into a larger group and then it became a sub-culture. Finally, it blossomed into a counter-culture that provided a home for the whole man, not just the revolutionary. Dissidents in America are in the sub-culture phase or possibly in the early phases of becoming a counter-culture.

Another aspect of successful revolutions is they are short on concrete ideas. Detailed plans can be analyzed and critiqued. Vague promises cannot. Let’s face it, that’s one reason Trump won in 2016. His promises sounded good, mostly because they lacked specificity. They were aspirations, not policies. That means the people spending their days working out the new legal code for the ethno-state are wasting their time. The timeless principles of today are just the rules instituted by the winners, after they won.

There are two recent examples American dissidents should study. The first is the Evangelical movement that started in the 1970’s as a response to the cultural revolution of the 1960’s. They had unassailable principles and specific policy goals that arose from those principles. They had great organic organizations, their churches. They had money and manpower. They also focused on one party, hoping to make the GOP the counter to the Left. By the 80’s, the Evangelicals were a powerful political force.

They also failed to accomplish any of their goals. Their top issue was abortion, specifically rolling back Roe. They lobbied hard to get their guys into office and on the bench so they could get that ruling overturned. They had zero success. In fact, it is hard to find any aspect of the culture war they were able to win. If you had told Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson in the 70’s that their efforts would still mean gay marriage and trannies stalking little girls in public toilets, they probably would have lost their faith entirely.

The reason they lost is they engaged the ruling class on their terms. The Evangelicals agreed to play by the rules set by the ruling class. This ultimately meant supporting the ruling class institutions, like the political rules and the party system. Those things are designed to preserve the current order. In effect, the Evangelicals agreed from the start to defend and support the prevailing order. It was inevitable that their efforts would only lead to more of the same, because they agreed to all of the assumptions of the prevailing order.

Another useful example is the NRA. Starting around the same time as the Evangelicals entered politics, the NRA decided to change direction. They became apolitical, supporting only candidates that were pro-gun. They stopped arguing about the efficacy of gun control as a crime fighting tool and started arguing about gun culture as a vital part of American culture. The NRA shifted from political debates, to moral debates and captured the high ground by linking gun rights to patriotism and basic America concepts of liberty.

This is why the fight over guns has been the one exception in the culture war. The Left tried hard to capture the high ground, usually by standing on the bodies of dead kids, but they failed because the NRA always fights to hold the moral high ground. They never conceded the premise or the moral framework of the debate. When the Left says they wants guns off the streets because of the children, the NRA says they wants guns in the hands of parents, so they can protect their children and themselves.

The lesson for our thing is to first understand where we are in the process. Our job right now is to grow our numbers by promoting about our ideas. Part of doing that is taking every opportunity to undermine the other side’s moral authority. Just as important, it means developing a genuine alternative to the moral order. A counter-culture has its own ethos, which means its own media, its own language and its own comedy. That last part is important, because what we mock speaks directly to what we believe.

Revolutions feel like they happen overnight but they are the culmination of a long process that starts before the vanguard is out of diapers. The 60’s radicals would never have existed without the Beatniks and the drug culture. The Jacobins would not have existed without the salon culture that had developed in Paris. Radical politics are born of a counter-culture that provides the basis of an alternative moral order. For there to be right-wing radicals tomorrow, we must build the right-wing counter-culture today.

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slumlord
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You get it. It a shame so many on the Right don’t.

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Our problem is to get to the final stage while there’s still something of Western civilization left to save.

Juss Saeyn
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I’ve read Z’s article here twice and comments, including the longish ones. I hate to say it. I do hate to say it and you hate to hear it. But how could one begin to even engage the present terminal culture? How could moral authority be won within the context of the mentality of “pussy hats”? Present-day leftism isn’t a thought process, it’s mental illness. I know I’m a party-pooper but where we’re headed is “Mad Max”, so keep loading magazines.

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I believe a big part of what will happen is simple attrition. Us on the right will continue to withdraw from present society, and bring some along. With or inevitable success by comparison, and the lefts continued inability to reproduce itself, we will grow while they decline. This trend will continue unless our side allows itself to become corrupted, or are overtaken by other traditionalists societies on this continent, maybe muslems or Chinese, if they are able to continue to colonize us. Of course the Amerindians are a possibility, but I personally believe less likely because of their civilizational incompetence… Read more »

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ronehjr wrote, “I believe a big part of what will happen is simple attrition” – So I know I might be a simpleton but when the food trucks stop rolling to the inner cities… We all live in some degree of a bubble of core expectation that because it’s been that way since we were born that life will go on as-is regardless of the politics that come-and-go… hmmm…

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The last 50 years or so of multi-cultural worship is an aberration of history. It may collapse under its own idiocy. In many ways things got worse over my lifetime but I notice a few changes. For the last 30 years or so nobody was aloud to mention the sky high black crime rate. Network news wasn’t going to mention it, and neither were 90% of the newspapers. Now people talk about it mostly since BLM became an obnoxious movement. I grew up in a world where you were expected to trust the news, and nobody would point out black… Read more »

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George Orwell

Oy vey! Right on cue at the end of the nihilistic screed, the Statue Of Emma Lazarus and a certain tribe show up to make sure you feel guilty and learn to blame Trump for anything you can name. Points deducted, however, for failing to demand impeachment.

Tax Slave
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Tax Slave

Chances are the arrogant asshole that wrote that has “uninsured driver” coverage on his auto policy. Spit.

Ursula
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The writer, Alan Vervaeke, lives in Gilford, NH. Demographics there are: White 97% Black 0% Hispanic 1% Asian 2% https://censusreporter.org/profiles/97000US3303180-gilford-school-district-nh/ Keep this in mind as Alan makes fun of the supposedly non-existent migrant invasion. Little does he realize what the people of color have in store for useful white idiots like him and his offspring. He should come to L.A. and experience our demographics: 29% White, 8% Black, 11% Asian and 49% Hispanic. Alan also conveniently does not touch on the fact that the taxes generated by us “slothful, fat” U.S. citizens are what support the survival of these peasants… Read more »

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One could believe that level of naivete if the year was 1965 or 1986. The writer clearly wants to turn NH into the globohomo paradise he presumably left. It’s the Stephen Colbert mindset where one signals so hard against your own people via snark acting as moral outrage.

The liberal (classical,social, neo) mindset is more interested in screwing the Right even at the cost of itself. Pathological altruism indeed.

https://twitter.com/MaxduPreez/status/1019174604017979393

Ursula
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LOL, it’s not #MiddleClassProblems he’s experiencing, it’s #BlackProblems. What a fool.

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De Beers Diamonds

Max is no fool, he’s been stabbing his people in the back longer then I’ve been alive. He’s the number 1 shitlib in that country. He’s done great damage to any notion of self-determination. And that is our future.

ReluctantReactionary
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Our society tends to be influenced by those who are the loudest and most obnoxious. Black Lives Matter is an obvious example. ABATE, a motorcyclist’s rights organization, is a less obvious one. ABATE has succeeded in repealing helmet laws in many states at the same time that our ruling elite and the insurance lobby wished to make helmets mandatory, or just ban motorcycles completely. The NRA has a very vocal and dedicated minority who are stalwart. Same for gay rights, trans rights, etc. What are the goals of the dissident right, and how might we organize a highly vocal and… Read more »

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Generating and promoting our own ideas is not mutually exclusive to knocking the other side. It’s not either-or. That said, what I took from Z’s essay is this: “[Trump’s promises] were aspirations, not policies. That means the people spending their days working out the new legal code for the ethno-state are wasting their time.” Or for any new state, I’d say. … and “Our job right now is to grow our numbers by promoting about our ideas. Part of doing that is taking every opportunity to undermine the other side’s moral authority.” Suppose I say to my neighbor, “Ed, I… Read more »

ReluctantReactionary
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Exactly. How do you fix a problem caused by democracy and individualism by appealing for more democracy and individualism? Ed just wants stuff, and an easy life. There are a few areas where Ed may be motivated. The anti-immigration movement is starting to get some traction. Ed likes to have a job.

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DeBeers Diamonds

The most salient argument against immigration is the environment, housing costs are the second most. California is actually well suited to this argument, but the GOP is dominated by fossil fuel interests and real estate developers. Hard to square the circle of housing costs and NIMBYism before a Dem does. CA is actually 30% foreign-born.

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cerulean

Another thought … “Our society tends to be influenced by those who are the loudest and most obnoxious. Black Lives Matter is an obvious example.”

Have they influenced the political middle toward, or away from their position?

Presence is important. Obnoxious presence — I’m not so sure.

George Orwell
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This is why strategies like Mark Levin’s Article V Convention remain fantasy. Without a new moral authority it would merely become an opportunity to further embed cultural Marxism into the COTUS itself.

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DeBeers Diamonds

The evidence is abundant that some parts of the country desire a much more leftist brand of politics. It would be wise of us to allow places like New York and California to adopt socialism, on the condition that the rural portions of those states are split off. Internal migration could also be restricted, or at the very least the franchise. Decentralization is an alternative to either Dictatorship or Deportation.

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Use the Escape from New York model. Wall off Manhattan or some other large geographical area. Instead of criminals just throw the leftists, progs, and sodomites in there. Leave us alone.

There’s another wall I can get behind.

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Regrettably as I said yesterday, the left sees us as heretics that must be given no quarter. The threat of “Nazi Nukes” would also appear in any serious partition debate. And we’d be paying a “white privilege” alimony to the successor blue countries. The Orania town in South Africa receives its autonomy at the price of paying taxes and not receiving public services.

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I’ve been stressing this to all of the “conservatives” I know for quite some time, subtly and sometimes right in their faces – especially when they’re being particularly stupid about the issue……….. I do not believe that the socialism and outright Marxism that the lefties want funds itself. Like a virus or a parasite – it needs a host to feed from or it dies. I know this sounds like a platitude – but if you really delve into the machinations of the lefties and their cloud pod-people supporters – you find instance after instance after instance where the “system”… Read more »

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Disaggregation is the only way to avoid serious conflict inthe not too distant future.

Primi Pilus
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Primi Pilus

County by county — The American Free Counties Movement … (I’m not good at the snappy names, that’s the LEFT’s strong suit.) Looking county by county, you’ll see there’s a pretty strong, and stark demarcation between those that are “American,” and those that house people and a culture that are …. whatever they are …. Not-American.

Tim
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Living in the very rural portion of NY, I can only say, “I wish.”

Primi Pilus
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Primi Pilus

Eureka!!! Yes.

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Levin is not our friend.
Just one more Zionist pos

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You have to give credit where it’s due and frankly, the Swiss probably have the most democratic form of government going. Not that it’s better than anyone else, but it seems like they are always voting on one thing or another. But with just over 7-million people, I suspect it’s just a lot easier to manage. Just a few years ago, they raised a petition to ban minarets from being built in the country. The Swiss people then voted democratically to ban them, and that was it. Of course it could be put back up again in the future, but… Read more »

Dutch
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The Swiss have always been very particular about who gets to migrate or live there. To me, that seems a primary reason for why their system works so well.

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What the Swiss have is local government. The rest of us need to decentralize. In the United States that would mean empowering the county governments and disempowering the state and federal governments. Make the counties into sovereign cantons.

Maybe something similar could be done in Germany.

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Absolutely. As far as we go these days is the “red state-blue state” choice in some matters of taxation and things like gun regulations. Push the government power down to the local level, both to give people choices, and also to minimize the bad effects of the inevitable corruption that will show up in certain jurisdictions.

Primi Pilus
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Yes … But I think that’s what the founders did in the beginning. It’s just that the elites and monied interests, coupled with the indeological power-sekers, figured out over time that that was no way for them to pile up power, wealth, and importance for themselves. It’s a sad thing that we here reflexively propose this (I do too), when it’s actually the condition that’s supposed to exist — that fuzzy “… promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty …” clause — they just took that and ran as far as they could from original intent. And… Read more »

james wilson
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“But with just over 7-million people, I suspect it’s just a lot easier to manage.” To the contrary, this is the only way to manage a large republic. Ease has nothing to do with it. Manageability does.

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As usual, Zman makes excellent points. Two virtues that demand special emphasis when considering these matters are PERSISTENCE and PATIENCE. The counter culture most likely to win is the one that, wittingly or unwittingly, demonstrates the best timing. Right now certain elements of the so-called alt right are planning another “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville and one in D.C. as well. Have these clowns learned nothing? They have not accrued enough explicit public support to justify such actions. They are setting themselves up to get pummeled by political officials and the propaganda machine all over again. Fool me once…… Read more »

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A reasonable argument in the abstract, but I think the contrary can also be reasonably argued. The problem with wjkathman’s thesis is that time is not on our side. While the alt-culture is patiently and persistently working to build its numbers, cult-Marx is moving ahead with a steam roller. A mere five years ago, the transsexual world was a tiny fringe that could be ignored. Now it’s in your face. Then, the Left at least maintained a facade of observing the civilized political traditions. Now it’s celebrities photographed in mock beheadings of the President. Et cetera. I agree it’s important… Read more »

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You’re right about time not being on our side. Just mark me down as skeptical regarding the efficacy of public demonstrations in general — particularly when the other side controls the megaphone. The type of people we need to convince are not those typically impressed by a well-staged rally. We need folks who can see clearly through all the pozzed bullshit of modern society and who value reason and substance over style and histrionics. Granted, there may not be enough people who fit that description to make for a significant cultural movement. Suffice it to say, the problems we face… Read more »

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Gravity Denier

True, what we face is complicated and multi-layered. And our strategy needs to be multi-layered as well. Thanks (sincerely) for your contribution.

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The legitimacy angle hits on my biggest fear about Trump. My second-biggest fear about him is that he’ll fail to Make America Great Again- but my biggest fear is that he’ll succeed. What I mean is that he’ll manage to fix a fundamentally dysfunctional and immoral system just enough to keep it going for another few decades by delivering it a fresh injection of competence and legitimacy. This is essentially what happened in China after Mao died – Deng Xiaoping was smart and flexible enough that he managed to right the ship of Chinese communism in a way that Gorbachev… Read more »

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From a purely self-interested perspective, if Trump’s efforts add another 50 years to the system, you and I could presumably enjoy peace for the remainder of our natural lives. Then again, that peace could come at the expense of our dignity. There are costs and benefits if the establishment persists, just as there are costs and benefits if it crashes. A collapse may be inevitable and necessary. It will exact a toll nonetheless. Eluding that toll might be preferable, though neither you nor I will likely have much choice on that matter.

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CAPT S

We need to think more multi-generationally. I don’t want “peace in our time” at the expense of my progeny. A collapse (economic and/or political) would be cataclysmic now, but imagine how much more painful if we allow it so metastasize another 50 years.

cerulean
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AD, I don’t understand why you say there is a legitimacy issue with Trump.

And … a few decades worth of fixing the current system would provide needed time for the dissident opposition to mature and strengthen.

We might be pleasantly surprised. Perhaps with the fixing and strengthening, along with the persistence and patience mentioned above, the result would turn out to be acceptable in itself.

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I wouldn’t worry. Once Trump leaves, the Left will reverse everything in their first year. The thing is Trump has not signed any meaningful legislation, just some EO’s which can be reversed by the next POTUS.

He’s totally abandoned the Wall and immigration enforcement.

He’s done nothing to clean the swamp. He just twits like a teenager while the DOJ and FBI have gone rogue and a bunch Obama criminals run free and mock him every day.

He doesn’t even have the nerve to strip those ex-Obama admin goons of their security clearances.

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Has Trump had any legislation ro sign, let alone any to veto?

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“My second-biggest fear about him is that he’ll fail to Make America Great Again- but my biggest fear is that he’ll succeed.” Thanks Chesterton. Here’s something a bit more straight forward: Change takes time.

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We’ll know we are on the cusp of victory when a man can make a living as a stand-up comedian working the Silver Spring, Roswell, Vestavia Hills circuit.

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Zman, please clarify your assessment of the NRA’s success. At one place, you say “They stopped arguing about the efficacy of gun control as a crime fighting tool, and started arguing about gun culture as a vital part of American culture. The NRA shifted from political debates, to moral debates, and captured the high ground, by linking gun rights to patriotism and basic America concepts of liberty.” Just below that, you say “the NRA says they wants guns in the hands of parents, so they can PROTECT their children and themselves.” Obviously, this means protecting from crime, and has no… Read more »

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Jaqship

So, feminists, we’ll let you abort some kids, but once you pop any kids out, SOCIETY calls the shots, unless you are legally committed to SHARING power over the kid(s), e.g. in a marriage with someone who society deems trustworthy (to OVERSEE your riding the carousel in the kids’ presence).
And, if you bug out of that marriage, SOCIETY has the right to take custody of kids, until you find another RESPONSIBLE partner.
Take it or leave it!

Jaqship
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Jaqship

And, feminists, your idea of “having it all” gets trumped by society’s interest in not being deluged, by a generation of kids traumatized by abuse from your alpha flings.
Your right to control what’s in your body ends, once a child LEAVES your body.
Control of a born kid is a PRIVILEGE, which can be withdrawn if you are deemed unable to exercise conscientious oversight of the kid.

calsdad
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calsdad

LOL:

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Tax Slave
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Tax Slave

Is that for real?

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No. She never wrote that. And we shouldn’t propagate lies.

Pimpkin's Nephew
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Pimpkin's Nephew

I agree with Frip on both points.

Hillary is, to my thinking, one of the whores of Satan, but fabricating her actual words is just wrong: Wrong to us, holding on to a standard of truth.

Pimpkin's Nephew
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Pimpkin's Nephew

The Face of Pure Evil.

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The NRA won largely by not listening to people who told them to cuck on guns. So I don’t listen to people who tell me to cuck on abortion. Or anything.

Cucking doesn’t work. Cucking doesn’t win. No cucking. On anything. Ever.

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I agree, the gun control fight has been a success. 30 years ago, concealed carry was a rarity in most states, whereas today, most states are must issue. This animation is marvelous and illustrates the changes over the years: http://www.hni.com/concealed-carry-resources-for-employers/concealed-carry-animated-map

And surprisingly, the liberal 9th Circuit made a ruling against California’s magazine confiscation attempt with some pretty based language. https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/ninth-circuit-protects-gun-rights-california/

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More accurately, 3 of the 15 judges on the 9th circuit heard the case, and 2 of the 3 ruled that. They just got lucky in which judges they drew. When it goes en banc, the full 9th will surely overturn. (And then on to SCOTUS)

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Don’t be so sure about that. I think part of the reason for the ruling was to make sure that case never makes it in front of SCOTUS for them to make a firm ruling on it.

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Let’s face it, that’s one reason Trump won in 2016. His promises sounded good, mostly because they lacked specificity. They were aspirations, not policies.

And yet, ironically, Trump’s promises were more specific than those of any of his opponents.

cerulean
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cerulean

… and he seems to be trying to achieve them.

Sam
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Sam

He’s a builder. Where is the wall?

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Blocked by a herd of RINOs.

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Thorsted

Journalist, Noah Smith has a long post on twitter today on how a majority of americans are embracing diversity and multiculturalism. So, the “revolutionaries” might have won the public opinion;https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1021649415411388416

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Noah Smith is probably correct in the short run–at least when it comes to the USA. America has a long tradition of accepting immigrants. Until recently most immigrants were European; however, blacks have been part of America for a long time. Do we really think that a majority is going to rise up and reject Mexicans when that same majority has made allowances for black dysfunction for over 200 years? While almost all of us know a successful black person, black dysfunction is generally much worse than Hispanic. Face it–most Mexicans that you meet are pretty nice. Perhaps the best… Read more »

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“Most Mexicans that you meet are pretty nice” That whites are inclined to be accepting of Hispanics is a major problem because whites are blind to the fact that Hispanics are significantly more tribal, unintelligent, and violent than whites. Like all tribal people, Hispanics want to be ruled by their own and they will often forgive the crimes of their own against outgroups. Our short sighted agreeableness will kill us.

The major reason that Mexico has the problems is has is that is it filled with Mexicans.

Pimpkin's Nephew
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Pimpkin's Nephew

“The major reason that [Country X] has the problems it has is that is filled with [inhabitants of Country X].”

An incisive and useful point.

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

I concede that my statement may sound like a tautology, but it is not. It contradicts the idea that people in dirthole countries can come to our land in large numbers and not import the character of the countries that they left.

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DeBeers Diamonds

We do ourselves no help with our reputation for boorishness and violence, that so easily plays into the hands of the media that hates us. The economy is also “good”, and the rioting by BLM from ’14-’16 has been dropped down the memory hole. Come back when taxes are hiked in the 2020s to bail out the entitlements.

DeBeers Diamonds
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DeBeers Diamonds

https://twitter.com/BlakeDontCrack/status/1021607725233397761

Case in point, getting publicly pegged like your leader Gavin McInnes.

Tax Slave
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Tax Slave

And a propagandist would never lie.

DeBeers Diamonds
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DeBeers Diamonds

We won the election thanks to promising to bring back manufacturing, and a low turnout of black Dems. Public hostility to immigration peaked in 2010 and has declined ever since. We lost on immigration when we didn’t take the Senate in ’10, and before thanks to Gingrich/Armey/DeLay in ’94.

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Denny Bilson

You people will never be successful. The People do not want racism, do not want white supremacy, do not want poor government. We are growing in numbers and you are diminishing. We will bash you out of political life. Consider that Pat Buchanan was mainstream 30 years ago. Where is he now? Demographic change means that you WILL be held accountable.

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Dutch

People make their judgements in about 10 seconds flat, based on two or three things that have meaning to them, and do so in a very intuitive fashion without much rational reasoning, and the rest of it from that point on is just reinforcement of the conclusions they have already made. “Diversity”, “multiculturalism”, and such things have the odor of failure, and of stealing from the average person to give to some other unworthy person. Normies are thinking these things now, no matter how loud and aggressive you proggies get. You have lost the narrative. Trump is the result, but… Read more »

ReluctantReactionary
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While we hate to feed the trolls around here, Mr. Bilson is correct in stating that we will not get an ethnostate through popular will alone. He is wrong about who will be held accountable for the failure of the present system. (Look in the mirror bud) As Dutch observes, normie white opinion is stating to become racially aware, but that only takes things so far… The big change occurs when the extremely powerful and wealthy decide that the status quo sucks. As Moldbug observed, places like Detroit are bad for business. Our present system has evolved from an agrarian… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

Going back to Karl Horst’s comment about Switzerland, the elite there have made things very comfortable for themselves by eliminating diversity and demanding very specific cultural and behavioral attributes from their “lessers”. The Swiss model may yet be the one that prevails over time.

james wilson
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james wilson

Yes, it cannot be stressed too much, Swiss government is county government, federalism on steroids. People can and do relocate a couple kilometers away to exit obnoxious policies of their canton–like taxes–or threaten to in order to be taken seriously, which they are. Imagine trying to import section 8 housing there. Making a path impossible is the only way to prevent progressives progressing. We can dream. They are not immune to self-destruction–women’s suffrage was established, canton by cannon, from the 1970’s to 1990 something. Gun control is on the minds of women in the most well armed population on earth.

calsdad
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calsdad

LOL. Way back in 2008 while sitting at the lunch table one of my flaming lefty co-workers asked: ” Who does everybody want to win the election?” Most of the guys I was sitting with were pretty conservative, so they said shit like “McCain” or “Romney”. One guy said he’d vote for the Green candidate whoever the hell that was. I said: ” I hope Obama wins the election”. He perked right up and said in a really hopeful voice (lefties are dumb): ” Why is that!? ” I said: ” Well the way I figure it is that Obama… Read more »

Tax Slave
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Tax Slave

You noticed how tiny your dick is again.

Simon
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Simon

You couldn’t bash one out.

Kentucky Headhunter
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“The NRA shifted from political debates, to moral debates and captured the high ground by linking gun rights to patriotism and basic America concepts of liberty.”

So what should the Evangelicals have said about abortion, if “Abortion is murder” isn’t a convincing moral argument?

Is “Any immigration generally means fewer opportunities for and increased social burdens on your children” a moral argument or a political one, or both? If that’s not a persuasive argument to curtail immigration what would be?

DeBeers Diamonds
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DeBeers Diamonds

While illogical, there are people that believe abortion is murder, but still remains a choice that should not override “bodily autonomy”. These same people will turn around and condemn any attempt by a male to avoid child support.

Evangelicals are steeped in consumerism and individualism, even though they have the highest white fertility outside of the LDS they suffer high attrition to secularism. Their leaders are charlatans and grifters, and they now are moving in the cuck direction (see: Russel Moore)

Pimpkin's Nephew
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Pimpkin's Nephew

So, why is it ‘illogical’ to believe that abortion is murder?

I’m just asking for the logic here. Murder is ‘A’, Abortion is ‘Not-A’.

Explain your position, using the known tenets of logic.

Thanks!

james wilson
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james wilson

Although it may not sound like it here, I’d rather disagree with an Evangelical acquaintance than most others. I’ve never been challenged to a second argument with an anti-abortion Evangelical. If I believed abortion was murder I would believe all the women who had one should be sent to prison for an undetermined term, and we should assign to the FBI or to police anti-abortion units, just as we do with every other form of crime, none more serious than murder. Abortion “rights” are the storm troops of the Prog into the minds of their droids.

Jaqship
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Jaqship

James, indeed: “If I believed abortion was murder, I would believe all the women who had one should be sent to prison for an undetermined term”, or be subject to the DEATH penalty. I’ll bet that many, maybe most, pro-lifers dare not push that, because they know that abortion LAWS wouldn’t have consequences IDENTICAL to (1st, or even 3rd, degree) murder laws. They know that 1) the total human circumstances of abortion are so much more MITIGATING, than those of the typical (1st, or 3rd, degree) murder, and 2) any effective policing for abortion laws (to be at all effective)… Read more »

Jaqship
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Jaqship

Another contrast between immigration laws, and abortion laws, is that the ‘openness” of enforcement mechanisms of immigration laws makes naked favoritism HARDER to get away with, whereas the “espionage” needed to enforce abortion laws well-nigh guarantees, that they’ll be selectively enforced.
Of course, if players in the system work to undermine enforcement, all such laws will be jokes.

Cerulean
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Cerulean

ZMan, thanks for another clear essay. Since you are mapping the road to recovery, maybe at some point you can focus on coalitions and tents.

Dtbb
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Dtbb

The great moral issue should be how rich these asshole politicians get just by being in government!

cerulean
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cerulean

Here is a substantial article that touches on the wealthy politician question. It goes into detail about what Trump — and I would say we — are up against.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/07/24/president-trump-confronts-multinational-big-ag-proposes-bridge-subsidy-to-break-up-controlled-markets-and-exploitative-contract-farming/#more-152146

At the front of the article, there’s a good quote from Macchiavelli that applies fairly directly to ZMan’s post today.

I imagine many of the issues that move us here, vital as they are, are peripheral to the most pressing concerns of our betters. The linked article gets into some $tuff our betters are likely concerned about.

Kentucky Headhunter
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I didn’t mean to single out Evangelicals in my previous comment, its only that it was one of the examples that Z gave. What about this: The vast majority of women actually want abortion to be available (even the “conservative” ones want it to be there if their daughters get knocked-up by their “fuck you dad” black boyfriends), and the vast majority of men are ambivalent about abortion and really only see it as a women’s issue vs. The majority of men see gun rights as a hill to die on (due at least in part to the NRA) and… Read more »

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton

Zman your analogy of the NRA’s changing its focus is an example of what the Right must learn to do in all occasions – make emotional rather than rational arguments. Everyone chooses based on emotion. Everyone. That’s why the Left is so persuasive and made so many strides in the culture. Just look at the advertising you’ve consumed over the last 10 or 50 years. Most ads, not all, are designed to elicit an emotional response. The Left has just copied this strategy for many, many years. Everything is an emotional argument: ‘for the children’, ‘grandma will starve without her… Read more »

Lance_E
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You missed one very important characteristic of revolutions: they’re always fought and supported by leftists and move society farther left when successful. And you’re still wrong about gun ownership being a right-wing issue. There’s no moral imperative or logical reason for a right-wing government to allow it. The second amendment is a left-wing idea dating back to the left-wing American Revolution; it just happens to be “legacy left”, like many other libertarian ideas. It’s great that the NRA and millions of gun owners fight to protect this right. But it’s not an example of “right-wing” success in the culture war;… Read more »

Whiskey
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The Second Amendment is protection against Anarcho Tyranny. See Bacons Rebellion. Rich dudes purchase all of Eastern Virginia and arm Indians, forbid colonists to own weapons or defend themselves to force all East as feudal serfs on their land.

J Clivas
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“Everyone” didn’t agree to topple the Tsar. A conspiracy of Communists and corrupt aristocrats did. And they were fought by the White Army, many of whom died for the “old order.”

Juss Saeyn
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Juss Saeyn

Much as I appreciate Z and his material, he does seem sometimes to forget about the incalculable contribution to the downfall of humanity by the Communists and their wealthy elitist NWO backers.

Pimpkin's Nephew
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Pimpkin's Nephew

Well noted. It’s fun, here on a friendly blog, to share notions and such about our “emergence” from the encircling disaster, fantasizing about our reclamation of the western project through words and gestures – ignoring the one ‘nuclear weapon’ that imposes a new order – willingness to die… Sure, it’s all that silly Christian nonsense that we laugh at, but still, when well-meaning emperors such as Decius and Aurelian and Diocletian tried to stamp it out, they failed, because their perplexing opponents were ready to die for what they believed, to choose death over mere existence in a slave empire… Read more »

Primi Pilus
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Primi Pilus

Interesting comment …. a people who have nothing to lose, or who believe that in death they are really losing nothing, and are willing to fight right up to the end, are tremendously difficult to manage. Not sure I would say that our side now is generally willing to give their lives for their beliefs, but most of those I knew who placed themselves in positions of mortal peril this last go-round were of a certain type … I didn’t find that same sort of ethic widely evident when I had to spend some years briefing DC staffers, bureaucrats and… Read more »

TomA
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TomA

Look at the devastation that Obama caused in just 8 years (as an example, he turned the DOJ and FBI into criminal organizations, which is no small feat), and remember that Hillary would likely have won if she wasn’t such an arrogant idiot. We could be circling the drain right now if not for the miracle of Trump. The long game of building a revolutionary movement is a fine idea right up until it’s not. Stalin, HItler, and Mao proved that mass murder is a pretty potent tool for countering such movements.

Jaqship
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Jaqship

No small feat? No, the FBI tradition of crimes goes at least back to Waco, if not to J. Edgar.

thekrustykurmudgeon
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I feel a little skeptical of the argument about the NRA. The way I see it is that we are in a paradoxical era. Why has laws about concealed carry increased while gun ownership has gone down? In a March 2015 post, Z wrote “When you shut your car off, the engine actually gets hotter for a few minutes before rapidly cooling down to air temperature.” I feel that in some ways, we are in that sort of “dueling trends” era. Eventually the fact that gun ownership has gone down is eventually going to catch up to politics. I’ve never… Read more »

Primi Pilus
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Primi Pilus

Gun ownership as a percentage of population … households? I’m not sure what the statistics really show, after a cursory look. Certainly, there seems to be some ideological spin to the interpretations, with the more LEFTY sites positing a measurable drop. However, I’m not sure this is an easy thing to quantify, short of going door to door, and even then, I’m not sure you would get an accurate count. One set of numbers that I noted a few times was 43% of households in 1972 possessed, and 42% in 2017. OK, but how do we figure in the fact… Read more »

Hank
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Hank

Zman, what is your contribution? Falwell and co. might have bet wrong, but they put skin in the game. How nice it must be to sit safely, anonymously behind a keyboard decades later and take shots at the real world of failure and success.

Never for a moment risking a damn thing.

What then will be your legacy?

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Announcing your real identity and beliefs is career suicide, which is nearly as harmful to our cause as physical suicide. We’re searching for the paths by which to advance our cause in the current repressive environment. We can’t even depend on the police to defend us at rallies where we have permits. Yes, the hour is getting late but it is not yet worthwhile to charge the machine gun turrets.

A.B. Prosper
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A.B. Prosper

1st, its not 1969. Public rallies are the height of stupid and mostly serve to reinforce the narrative Sometimes yes they are a moral boost, everyone likes seeing a little street violence on their side but as anything that will change policy? TThey are useless. Reality is if you ever plan to use said turrets you had better decide when that time is if ever because apparently so long as there are states with loose guns laws and not to onerous federal ones no one gives a shit about anything else. Legacy Americans better learn to cooperate because that inability… Read more »

Rod1963
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Rod1963

Most excellent to steal a phrase from Ted and Bill’s adventure. It’s certainly doable. But who will build our version of the NRA, that’s the big question. So far the alt-right has been a dumpster fire when it comes to selecting organizers. If it were me. I’d pick Roger Stone’s brains on setting something up. The guy has seen the innards of political machines longer that most of have been alive. I’d also look at the French Partisan model of organization. That will be needed further down the line. Vetting will have to be a intrinsic part of it. Why?… Read more »

KAB
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KAB

All hail Z!

Jaqship
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Jaqship

But, KAB, another difference between the NRA and the Evangelicals has been that, the PUSHBACK vs. the NRA has mostly been by a bunch of virtue-signalling SJWs, touted by the MSM, but without a really personal motive for commitment to the issue. I’ll bet ranch that most of these SJWs don’t REALLY fear, that they’re gonna get popped by someone legally owning a gun. The fear of legal guns is almost completely ABSTRACT. By contrast, the pushback vs. the Evangelicals has come from feminists, who’ve either themselves had an abortion, or KNOW someone who has. So the pro-choice pushback has… Read more »

Member

“Imagine you and a group of your friends come up with what you think is a revolutionary way to improve the world”

Tikkun Olam defined.

UpYours
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UpYours

What counter-culture? The only thing the alt/dissident/radical right has going for it is crude racism/ethnic cleansing fantasies. Whining about “dumb wetbacks” will win you a few votes from the neo-nazi set but is not going to convince or convert anyone to your side. Look at the comments section of the post “high cost of cheap labor”. None of them even address the problem or suggest ways to get the issue out in the public sphere. It is all about “Pajeets” and “shitting in the streets”. Best of luck with that!. You are not going to win anyone to your side… Read more »

SgtBob
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Evangelicals lost because “they engaged the ruling class on their terms.” Yep and yep. One thing admirable (enh) about Bolsheviks was their ruthlessness. Identify the blockage, remove the blockage by whatever means necessary.

Zeroth Tollrants
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Zeroth Tollrants

I just re-read this, Z, and I think it’s one of your most important things to date. Clear, concise, simply stated.
Oh, to be able to express myself in such an easy manner! I’m definitely a bit jealous.