The Louder He Talked Of His Honor

Last week, Catholic University hosted a showdown, of sorts, between David French and Sohrab Ahmari. Their dispute started when Ahmari posted this piece on First Things, declaring jihad against Frenchism, which he described as a passive-aggressive approach to the culture war with the Left. It got a lot of attention in conservative circles, mostly because they were happy that anyone was talking about them at all. Here is the video of the show down and here is a summary from American Conservative.

The event itself was typical of the pseudo-academic culture you see around conservative politics at this level. There is the superficial collegiality and the carrying on like this is a meeting of two intellectual giants. An essential element of this culture is the displaying of credentials, as well as the recognition of those credentials. That’s why the opening was like dogs sniffing each other’s butts at the park. Ahmari brought a gift to signal his submissiveness to French, who he considers a superior.

This is, of course, why French agreed to the thing in the first place. He was certainly told that Ahmari is a light weight, who could land a few punches, but was incapable of delivering any hard blows. Ahmari appears to be a guy, who has sampled dissident writing, but is not well versed in the arguments against Buckley conservatism. As a result he was left to flail around while French was able to safely keep the conversation to theoretical topics, rather than the failings of Buckley conservatism.

That is, of course, a game the Buckleyites learned from libertarians. When the conversation is about practical issues, like fighting the Left over cultural turf, they shift the focus to theory. When confronted on theory, they take a deep dive into the weeds of some narrow policy topic. That’s what French was doing with Ahmari. He kept shifting the topics to legalism and constitutional theory, in order to avoid talking about the fact that conservatism has been a colossal, multi-generational failure.

That’s what was a bit disappointing about Ahmari’s performance. A better equipped debater, a dissident for example, would have turned French’s arguments back on him with relative ease. His claim that the Founders wanted a neutral public space, for example, is laughable nonsense. The Founders were white Christians, who assumed they were founding a white Christian country. More important, they were practical men who understood what was required to maintain their people.

Think about it. These were men who revolted against the prevailing order, against centuries of tradition, in order to impose their way of life on their lands. Not only were they willing to overthrow centuries of tradition, they were willing to kill their countrymen in order to found their nation. They were also quite explicit in their motives. They founded a nation for their people and their posterity. By the definitions of today, definitions David French supports, the Founders were white nationalists.

Of course, the neutral public space argument is a justification for not fighting the Left over cultural turf. By claiming a principled claim in support of an open and neutral public space, it rules out doing anything that could actually win the fight. After all, defending the public square from complete domination by the Left, means pushing them out of some portion of it. That would violate the sacred principles of principled conservatives, so they not only refuse to do it, they prevent others from doing it.

Something that never gets mentioned by dissidents is that this line of reasoning contradicts basic Christian teaching. To cede the public space on principle is to agree, in advance, to not proselytize. To preach and proselytize means staking out space in the public square, regardless of the consequences. The very founding of the Christian faith was on the bones of those, who martyred themselves to spread the word of Jesus Christ in the face of violent opposition.

That of course, raises the question as to just how sincere David French is in his religious conviction. He waves his Christian faith around almost as much as he waves around his military service, yet he is not willing to risk much for it. The Gospels are pretty clear on this point. It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. Jesus instructed the rich to give away their riches and follow him. Surely, salvation is worth some principles.

This is where dissident Christians can find a niche in dissident politics. There is a long tradition of Christians preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ in the face of fierce opposition from authority. To be a dissident is to reject the authority of the prevailing orthodoxy. To be a dissident Christian is to know the source of all authority. The way forward to a society built around natural association is also the path to a society where Christians can proselytize and lead their fellow man to salvation.

This is what the backers of Frenchism fear. A militant, optimistic and aggressive Christianity would be wildly attractive to disaffected white youth. Imagine young guys in camo flash mobbing public events, while reading Scripture. Imagine them employing the protest tactics of the Left, but in favor of faith. That’s why millions are poured into Christian groups to advocate the surrender model. Their leaders get very rich while leading their flocks away from the public space.

None of this is new material, which is why David French has become the clown nose of Buckley conservatism. It’s not about ideology or theology with this guy. David Frenchism is about celebrating the choices of David French. From his adoption of an African to his JAG service, it’s always about his public acts of piety. That’s what jumps out from the video of that event. Watching him in action, the line from Emerson comes to mind. “The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.”


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tz1
Member
9 months ago

Patriot Prayer in Portland.

But the Public Square or space is the shell game. A generation ago they got rid of Obscenity, Pornography, and Blasphemy laws in the name of free speech. Now they wan’t to censor “Hate Speech” which means things like “Its okay to be white” or quoting the Bible.

Michaeloh
Michaeloh
Reply to  thezman
9 months ago

I know you frown on fighting in the streets, yet I have always wondered whether Patriot Prayer, civnat as they come, isnt a pathway for some of the normies to find us. It must be awfully frustrating to live in a city where lawless imbeciles are allowed and encouraged by leftist pols to disrupt the normies basic tasks like getting to work or picking up kids from school. And i cannot be the only one who would love to vacay in Portland during one of these antifa riots to practice kickboxing. Now most folks aren’t going to practice kickboxing, yet… Read more »

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Michaeloh
9 months ago

If you want to “practice kickboxing,” be prepared to say hello to your new cell mate, James Fields.

Michaeloh
Michaeloh
Reply to  MemeWarVet
9 months ago

Yea. The thought of being subjected to the “justice” of white weakling or anti-white minority prosecutors has kept me from vacationing in Portland.

Reply to  Michaeloh
9 months ago

The interesting thing is, six years ago this fall, the feds in Seattle were busy ripping apart the anarchists in Portland with a series of grand juries chasing down the perpetrators of their once-unpopular May Day chaos downtown. They hauled a young woman, Leah-Lynne Plante, up to Seattle from Portland and then tossed her into jail when she refused to testify before the grand jury. Another grand jury “resister” did a lot of time, but Plante couldn’t take it, walked out — who knows what she did or didn’t say — and immediately was snitchjacketed. She disappeared off the map… Read more »

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
Reply to  MemeWarVet
9 months ago

If you won’t risk death, jail, hardship and also kill, imprison or afflict suffering for your beliefs than they are not beliefs.

They’re pretensions.

If you’re main concern is staying out of jail avoid “dissident” politics.

Tars_Tarkusz
Member
Reply to  Michaeloh
9 months ago

These gay-ops in Portland are the least of their problems. They have homeless drug addicts running around committing crimes and the police aren’t allowed to enforce the law.
The progressives in charge of Portland are turning it into a shit-hole, quite literally.
They are in complete denial about it too. Same thing in Seattle too.

Member
Reply to  Tars_Tarkusz
9 months ago

At this point I’m just focused on escaping from here. I think Portland is beyond hope. The only good thing about it is that, along with San Francisco, it showcases what happens when you put hipster Leftists in charge of a place.

Pozymandias
Member
Reply to  Michaeloh
9 months ago

As someone still stuck in Portland I can tell you I always feel Portland is more of a place to take a vacation from rather than to. Then again I cannot think of a place, even NYC, where just kicking a random ass would be more likely to be kicking a Leftist ass.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
Reply to  Michaeloh
9 months ago

Basically they frown on fighting anywhere, anytime over anything.
Not fighting makes you a cuck.
Accepting we’re at war makes you a Fed. For all the blabber about cuckservatives they aren’t saying both we’re facing genocide BUT ABOVE ALL NO FIGHTING.

Who’s the cuck?
In fact what’s lower than cuck?

Bill_Mullins
Member
Reply to  thezman
9 months ago

ZMan wrote, “One big problem with Patriot Prayer is they need to pick a side. Either ‘patriot’ or ‘prayer’ but not both.”
Why, good sir, need they “pick a side”? Can one not, at the same time, be both a Patriot AND a practicing Christian? Why must it be an “either or” proposition?

Please note that I am NOT trying to argue but to understand. My understanding of how the universe operates does not make the two mutually exclusive.

Hoagie
Hoagie
Reply to  Bill_Mullins
9 months ago

Well, “The Founders were white Christians, who assumed they were founding a white Christian country.” to quote Zman so I would assume if they were both patriotic and Christian so can we.

joey junger
joey junger
Reply to  thezman
9 months ago

Theocracy fuses those two masters, doesn’t it? An “Israel for Europeans” still sounds like a good idea to me. Actually, I think we used to have an Israel for Europeans; we called it Europe, and then there was a smaller version called the U.S.A. Both may be toast now.

HamburgerToday
HamburgerToday
Reply to  joey junger
9 months ago

A Christian theocracy would not be ‘nationalist’ but imperialist (in the sense of ruling over multiple different peoples). The Catholic Church’s domination of Europe is an example of a theocracy ruling over different ‘nations’ (races). In a sense, the opportunities for ‘patriotism’ (a love of one’s patria) is entirely subsumed under the religious imperative. The nation-state was an alternative to the Catholic empire, not a function of it.

Tars_Tarkusz
Member
Reply to  joey junger
9 months ago

Europeans already have “an Israel,” it’s called Europe!

Custodia Sepulchrum
Reply to  thezman
9 months ago

Funny you should mention that, Z-man. I seem to recall some guy in the new testament, I think, who said something like his kingdom was not of this world and render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s. So one can be part of both religion and nation. And I’m not any sort of expert on the bible but even I can see the flaw in your argument. Spiritual matters are transcendent and personal and are not strongly linked to the material world except as guides in matters of morality and choice. Dump Christianity in particular and religion in general… Read more »

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  thezman
9 months ago

Christ also asked if those who were to follow him were prepared to hate their mothers and fathers. He of course was speaking symbolically, in short, were they prepared to despise the old ways and traditions to seek truth. If Zman’s core belief is that we whites cannot rescue the United States from it’s current course then something new for us must be built. Therefor his statement about picking a side “patriot or prayer” and referencing Christ’s discussion serving two masters is consistent with his argument. I don’t wish to misrepresent our esteemed host, that is my perception of his… Read more »

Bill_Mullins
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Reply to  thezman
9 months ago

ZMan, it was the Carpenter’s Son who made that observation but the context would not support your interpretation. Cornelius was a Centurion (roughly equivalent to a company commander in the Army or Marines and thus an O-3 “Captain”) but when he and his family were converted by (a very reluctant) Apostle Peter, he was not required to resign his commission and leave the Army. The dichotomy in the passage you referenced was between serving The Creator or MONEY (personified by the false god Mammon). Were your interpretation valid, a person could not be a Christian and hold down a job.… Read more »

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  Bill_Mullins
9 months ago

>Can one not, at the same time, be both a Patriot AND a practicing Christian?

In theory? Yes.

In practice? No, not if being a Christian means never casting stones but instead collaborating with obvious evil by always giving Shlomo whatever the fvck he wants because Schindler’s List said so.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Bill_Mullins
9 months ago

Multi-culti kumbaya ghey friendly dual-loyalist-worshipping modern Christianity isn’t compatible with patriotism. Muscular ethno-chauvinistic Christianity isn’t compatible with CivNat patriotism. Patriot Prayer blends too many incompatible elements of both Holocaustianity and Civic Nationalism.

Nick
Nick
Reply to  Bill_Mullins
9 months ago

No, you can’t. Progressivism is a shitty religion and it will brook no others. Post-America’s religion is progressivism, and as such one can either be a ‘patriot’ for a country that no loner exists – a losing proposition – or can embrace an actual faith and thereby reject post-America.

Rod1963
Rod1963
Reply to  Bill_Mullins
9 months ago

Historically this country was founded by Christian men for Christian men and Christian men fought died over the centuries for our country. So the patriotism and Christianity can mix. That said Patriot Prayer is going about things all wrong. Their leadership is nothing short of idiotic. They are like the DR was when Spencer and his clown posse ran the show. Now the DR isn’t much better. To this day no one knows what it stands for, opposes, what it goals are, etc.It’s so bad it would be impossible to even put together a 4 page pamphlet for recruiting new… Read more »

ReturnOfBestGuest
ReturnOfBestGuest
Reply to  Bill_Mullins
9 months ago

Patriot Prayer is an organization. With all the infighting, infiltration, etc., that running such an organization in the present day of mass surveillance brings with it.

Retro
Retro
Reply to  thezman
9 months ago

I think you’re spot on with the attractiveness of a militant Christianity. The ‘Deus Vult’ memes reflect this. I personally have never been a christian, but if a crusade-like movement started up? For now I don’t see any fight left in Christianity and that’s not attractive for a male wanting to fight for his people. For now I’ll larp as a lonely neopagan in sillycon valley.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
9 months ago

Sohrab lost the debate, but French was postulating from fantasy land so egregiously that it is hard to see anyone walking out with a better opinion of either.

Not much point overall, as these academic dock-waving contests only appeal to 0.01 percent of the population , and it is not like the right has any power in academia to propagate the winners ideology.

ReturnOfBestGuest
ReturnOfBestGuest
Reply to  Chet Rollins
9 months ago

They were bookends: articulating the acceptable boundaries of civilized debate. That’s all there is now. It’s why so many people can’t find a political home. The Uniparty agrees on most things: Endless War; Open Borders: and Debt Slavery.

Felix_Krull
Member
9 months ago

The Founders were white Christians, who assumed they were founding a white Christian country.

They were British Christians who founded a British Christian country. Why is that so hard to say?

Bill
Bill
Reply to  Felix_Krull
9 months ago

So yeah, I guess that makes them white Christians founding a white Christian country.

Got it! Thanks.

Felix_Krull
Member
Reply to  Bill
9 months ago

“White” is a derogatory term, like “brown”, “yellow” or “black”.

Bill
Bill
Reply to  Felix_Krull
9 months ago

Really? I had no idea. I guess I’ll have to start feeling bad about myself. Bummer.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Felix_Krull
9 months ago

>>>“White” is a derogatory term, like “brown”, “yellow” or “black”.<<<

I prefer the term “Heritage Americans” to describe ourselves. It means the same thing without the baggage.

HamburgerToday
HamburgerToday
Reply to  MemeWarVet
9 months ago

‘Heritage Americans’ is good messaging for the proselytizing cause but it’s not *really* what ethnonationalists are seeking because ‘Heritage Americans’ includes Blacks, Indians, mestizos, etc. All of these people were within the confines of what became the USA when it was founded.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  HamburgerToday
9 months ago

Thank goodness for the energy and leadership of all those blacks, Indians and mestizos “within the confines of what became the USA”! They were so important to the Founding Fathers and the birth of the nation they created. (/sarc)

Eis Augen
Member
Reply to  Felix_Krull
9 months ago

Gay

Felix_Krull
Member
Reply to  Felix_Krull
9 months ago

That went over well…

Now, the only reason you guys don’t consider “white” a racial slur, is because, for some incomprehensible reason, you bigots don’t think that being white is a bad thing, but “white” is most definitely meant to be a derogatory label by its authors. There’s a reason they insist we call blacks “African-American” and browns “Latinos”.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Felix_Krull
9 months ago

Felix, good point. I don’t consider any of the race terms such as Black, Brown, White bigoted or insulting or racist. Hell, I’m used to hearing such from minority advocates quite often here. I’ll keep your comment in the back of my mind for future reference—not that I need more things to take offense to. 😉

Felix_Krull
Member
Reply to  Compsci
9 months ago

I don’t consider any of the race terms such as Black, Brown, White bigoted or insulting or racist. That’s because you’re white – top of the evolutionary stack – so you don’t have psychological issues with your skin color. I bet you don’t have a nervous breakdown either if somebody calls you a cracker. No racial slur against whites carries any real sting because we are so unbelievably awesome, and it enrages them that they can throw any label at us, and we still don’t give a frack. Nothing worse than having your racial insults met with calm, slightly amused… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Felix_Krull
9 months ago

Yup Felix, not breaking down and melting when you get called something is simply an exercise in white privilege. See how unfair our world is? I luvs me my white privilege.

Felix_Krull
Member
Reply to  Dutch
9 months ago

I luvs me my white privilege.

I sometime buy a packet of “skin color” band-aids, just to put one on my arm and watch it blend seamlessly with my lily-white skin. I’m like “Mmmh! White privilege confirmed!”

Bill_Mullins
Member
Reply to  Felix_Krull
9 months ago

After moving to San Antonio, Texas in ’65 I learned to use the term “anglo” to refer to those of us not of Hispanic heritage. I also learned that I was a “bolillo” (white bread – from a small bread pastry similar to a dinner roll) – so anglo works for me even though my last confirmed ancestor from England was almost 3 centuries past and my most recent ancestors were of Scandinavian descent). For the record, labels can only be “derogatory” if one takes umbrage at them. I was raised with the principle of “Sticks and stones may break… Read more »

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  Felix_Krull
9 months ago

They were British Protestants.

Hoagie
Hoagie
Reply to  Felix_Krull
9 months ago

No, they were not founding a “British Christian country”. They were breaking away from Britain and founding an American Christian country. Why is that so hard to say?

Felix_Krull
Member
Reply to  Hoagie
9 months ago

But they weren’t Americans until they broke free, were they? Before that date, they were Limey as all heck. Logically, Americans can’t have created America.

Johnny55
Johnny55
Reply to  Felix_Krull
9 months ago

LOL, there were a lot of Germanic background folks here as well. Truly as Anglo a country as ever existed!!

Juri
Juri
Reply to  Felix_Krull
9 months ago

Actually, nothing was founded. Just England expanded a little bit. Later came the independence but US was until recently just one big English county. There is also some inhabited islands next to UK. When Englishmen move there to live, this is not some nation of immigrants.

TheLastStand
TheLastStand
Reply to  Felix_Krull
9 months ago

Sure, most of the founding fathers were Brits and Protestants. Catholics did play a role too. Problem is you limit yourself to that demographic and you get 2 problems. 1. Your numbers will be a tiny fraction of what you need. 2. How many British Protestants today are capable of doing what the founding fathers did? White Christianity gives us a broader base without compromising ourselves on something essential. I am a European mutt and a Catholic. This is my home. I know of no other. Given the history of America and how various European countries colonized this land, that… Read more »

Felix_Krull
Member
Reply to  TheLastStand
9 months ago

1. Your numbers will be a tiny fraction of what you need. What do you need? Democracies work best in small units; I figure 5-5½ million is the perfect size for a state. (Not that I’m prejudiced in that regard.) And yes, I’m aware that America was populated by a range of different Europeans, but the founding of the nation was a very British affair. My point about objecting to the label “white” is that it’s generic, anodyne. “Heritage American” or “European American” is a much more powerful carrier of identity. “British”, or “Irish” or “German” American even more so.… Read more »

Chad Hayden
Chad Hayden
Reply to  Felix_Krull
9 months ago

Well said Felix. I think part of the unease is due to the fact that European solidarity is just beginning in the USA, and is coalescing under “white” auspices. “White” also includes more periphery white groups wgo are not necessarily Euro: white appearing, multi-generational American Latinos, Lebanese, etc. I agree that Euro-american is a much more powerful marker (and probably more accurate. “White” Latinos would do well to pivot toward their Euro heritage, and ME Christians have a cultural/spiritual connection with Europe), but many are loathe to counter-signal it. They find strength in owning the slur.

Felix_Krull
Member
Reply to  Chad Hayden
9 months ago

“White” Latinos would do well to pivot toward their Euro heritage

I believe they already do that, at least until they come to America and discover the wonders of victimhood. Brazil, I’m confidently told by some guy on the internet, has a semi-formalized racial hierarchy that would make antebellum planters dizzy with its complexity. You can forget about the one-drop rule, they have one-drop rules, three-drop rules, seventeen-drop rules, they have race down to a mathematical science.

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  TheLastStand
9 months ago

We never had the chance to become Americans, a branch of the European Caucasoids. All stocks and regions were shoehorned into a one size fits all constitution. Had we been left to our natural inclination and preferences we probably would have formed regional nations or maybe a sort of Swiss confederation among those regions. Despite the forced sameness of the constitution we managed to build a nation with different regional sensibilities. This was destroyed by the Civil War and the mercantilism orchestrated government (MOG) that followed. The unnecessary western catastrophe of 1914-1945 completed the sapping of vitality of all western… Read more »

joey junger
joey junger
9 months ago

I think what you previously said about dissident politics needs to also apply to people who want to be real Christians. Since Christianity is illegal in America (its central doctrines on homosexuality, etc.) the Christian needs to view himself not as someone who needs to shout in the public square, but someone who needs to start building in the shadows. We’re day-walkers. Let the Israel-worshiping hucksters like Robertson or prosperity hustlers like Olstein fleece their flock with the jumbotron, and instead think local. Think ichthys drawn in the sand or scrimshawed on a wall.

James O'Meara
James O'Meara
Reply to  joey junger
9 months ago

“central doctrines on homosexuality” Never really seen it expressed to bluntly, but yeah, some “Christians” have reduced “Christianity” to divine sanction for their personal sexual morality. As Alan Watts said, we know that “living in sin” doesn’t mean baking adulterated bread with your wife.As for me, I’m with Zman: follow the words of Christ, who said on the topic …..um, …

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  James O'Meara
9 months ago

It seems that for Evangelicucks, all you need to do is say “Jesus is Lord,” support Israel and oppose abortion, and you’re in.

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  Ris_Eruwaedhiel
9 months ago

Ye cannot oppose abortion and support Israel.

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  James O'Meara
9 months ago

Everyone sees what you are doing. Stop trying to backdoor degeneracy into this.

joey junger
joey junger
Reply to  James O'Meara
9 months ago

If religious proscriptions against homosexuality aren’t your thing, try science, specifically medical science. When you look at the CDC data, it is still incredibly physically destructive and spreads all kinds of diseases that have massive external costs to the society as a whole. A lot of people who weren’t homophobic previously had their children killed by transfusions of blood from HIV-infected men who lobbied the ACLU in the 80s to not have to disclose their status (this is still a strong font of “activism” for the left; see Douglas Starr’s “Blood: An Epic History of Medicine and Commerce”). I can… Read more »

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  joey junger
9 months ago

The triumph of the gay rights movement really is astonishing and disheartening. It’s been said for years that for the first time in history, a fatal disease (AIDS) had civil rights. The victims are ignored. Homosexuals are the probably the most disease-ridden people on the planet due to their promiscuity, general hedonism (high rates of drinking, smoking and drug usage) and the fact that the human anus is a poopshoot and stuff is supposed to come out, not go in. One of the reasons for the breakdown of sexual self-restraint in general is effective modern-day medical treatment. A century ago,… Read more »

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Ris_Eruwaedhiel
9 months ago

I’ve argued with some Christian acquaintances that they were going about their opposition to homosexuality all wrong. The Christians in my experience – all approach the homosexuality question as if these people can be saved. And they seem to utterly refuse to take what the homos say – and use it against them. I was around during the 80s when the homos really started becoming “loud and proud” – and I remember very distinctly what they did when confronted with the AIDS “crisis”: They blamed it on everybody else but themselves. Here’s what I’ve noticed about the homosexuals: – the… Read more »

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  Calsdad
9 months ago

I remember that Pres. Reagan was blamed for the AIDs epidemic. The modern-day emphasis on equality, individual rights, liberty and the pursuit of happiness makes it more difficult to defy the gay activists. Religion did so in the past, along with the limits of medical treatment and the practical necessity of forming a traditional family. I understand what you are suggesting – that if a man says he is gay, and being gay is normal, he will not be allowed to marry a woman. I don’t know how you can enforce that law. Mayor Pete Buttplug postures as a churchgoing… Read more »

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Ris_Eruwaedhiel
9 months ago

At this stage of the societal game – it’s probably impossible to enforce any of it thru legal means. It doesn’t mean though that we can’t – on a more personal basis – call them out on their bullshit. For some reason women seem enthralled by the gays. There’s an awful lot of the media that really pushes the idea of women and gay men being “buddies”. And from what I’ve seen – that carries thru into real life as well. My wife knows a number of gay men. Over the years – simply by pointing out their bullshit –… Read more »

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  Calsdad
9 months ago

You’re right. At this point, nothing legally can be done, only social disapproval. Popular culture idealizes gays while in the real world they are generally a bunch of self-indulgent lowlife liars. Red pill people to the reality of believing what they witness with their eyes and not watch they watch on tv and the movies.

Member
Reply to  Ris_Eruwaedhiel
9 months ago

The Soviet Union and modern America are propaganda states. These always feature certain glorified human ideals that are constantly on display in public spaces. We have our jumbotrons full of smart, hip, well-adjusted, “normal” gays that are strangely divergent from the actual ones we meet in real life. The Soviets had their robust and heroic workers and peasants proudly marching into the glorious Future that were a bit different from the drunken, miserable factory and farm hands known to the average Russian.

Rogeru
Rogeru
Reply to  Calsdad
9 months ago

“The Christians in my experience – all approach the homosexuality question as if these people can be saved. And they seem to utterly refuse to take what the homos say – and use it against them.”

The problem isn’t that they try to save a sinner, its that they forget the verse about shaking the dust ftom your sandals if they don’t listen.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  Rogeru
9 months ago

You can’t force someone to change, they must to change themselves.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  joey junger
9 months ago

Correct. And that may be part of the problem that perplexes our esteemed blog host. Honest to God real Christians fly below the radar as a matter of course. Nobody notices the well adjusted families and communities – why should they? They are never a problem and therefore do not attract attention. They’re courteous and polite as a part of their culture and will go to lengths to avoid confrontation. Anger and rage are quick tickets to sin. They create good communities for themselves, and unlike other religous groups – engage with others to help out. There are megatons of… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Glenfilthie
9 months ago

John Smith, no one speaks of grace any more. Grace is a hidden virtue in our culture. It is still out there, demonstrated every day. But it is a quiet thing. It is not particularly interested in hitching its wagon to anything, it is simply doing and saying the right things at the right moments, as one would expect from good people.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Glenfilthie
9 months ago

John Smith: ” They’re courteous and polite as a part of their culture and will go to lengths to avoid confrontation.” Sorry, but that is not enough any longer, if it ever was. Merely quietly living a decent life and hoping you’ll get eaten last. Those who don’t see just how bad it is out there are those who WON’T see. No, I’m not endorsing street theatre, certainly not when the force of the state and apparatus of muh law are arrayed against us. But this purported division between being a Christian and recognizing the reality (and godliness) of HBD… Read more »

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Glenfilthie
9 months ago

Well said. As a Christian HBD realist, I wish to treat others with respect and compassion, but also cannot ignore statistical correlations. As Derb has pointed out, in real life you have to play the probabilities. I do not want violence, but also see the violence done to us and do not wish to knuckle under. I will always vote dissident and can embrace fighters with personal moral failings, but to go to the next level is a constant balancing act. Though I am amazed at how far I have moved in the last 10 years.

Pontius Pirate
9 months ago

When the nature and future of American public life is being discussed by a creature named Sohrab Amari, it is clear the ship has already been sunk. If something with a name like that has a respectable say in what America is or what America should do, then it means that America has died and gone to the Pet Sematary.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  Pontius Pirate
9 months ago

To be fair, he converted to Roman Catholicism in 2016, but he’s still from Iran.

AltitudeZero
AltitudeZero
Reply to  Ris_Eruwaedhiel
9 months ago

It’s always very interesting to me that guys who converted to Christianity, or switched denominations a couple of years ago, like Amari, Rod Dreher, and Adrian Vermeule always know EXACTLY what it is that their new denomination/religion should do. Presumably no one in Catholicism or Orthodoxy ever thought of any of their ideas until they came along. New ideas are certainly always welcome, but a little humility might also be in order. In addition, I’m sure that Amari’s heart is in the right place, but anyone who can be beaten in a debate by David French needs to engage in… Read more »

UpYours
UpYours
Reply to  Pontius Pirate
9 months ago

That “creature” is doing more to educate the ignorant white American normies on how their country is being stolen from under them than incel losers like yourself. The only thing that you and your kind have to offer is sitting in your basement screaming RAHOWA and racial insults. Pathetic.

Felix_Krull
Member
9 months ago

A militant, optimistic and aggressive Christianity would be wildly attractive to disaffected white youth.

Seriously? Pat Robertson is going to save us?

Imagine young guys in camo flash mobbing public events, while reading Scripture.

Yeah, I can see that catching on…

AntiDem
AntiDem
Reply to  Felix_Krull
9 months ago

Pat Robertson tried to save us, but we wouldn’t listen.

That’s Pat’s fault… how?

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Felix_Krull
9 months ago

Father Coughlin was on the right track. Up to 30 million listeners in a country of 130 million. With around 150 million White Americans still identifying as Christians, we’d be foolish to simply write the whole lot off as hopeless cucks. The Left turned American Christianity sideways in basically a couple of generations. Turning it back is hardly impossible.

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  Felix_Krull
9 months ago

Z means something like the Legion of the Archangel Michael, not the 700 club.

Felix_Krull
Member
Reply to  Vegetius
9 months ago

The problem with that battleplan is, that the moment you start spouting scripture, some wiseguy (why are you looking me?) is going to come along and quote verse from the Septuagint, and then it all goes downhill.

TheLastStand
TheLastStand
Reply to  Felix_Krull
9 months ago

There is one good thing about the Septuagint. Whenever a lefty Christian uses the OT verses concerning immigration, I make them squirm with the parts about stoning homosexuals and men wearing women’s clothing.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
9 months ago

French hammered Sohrab with the question, “What legal tools would you use to oppose drag queen story hour?” and Sohrab had no answer.

French is correct when he said that if we want to preserve our vast, multi-racial and multi-faith country, then we can’t weaponize the judiciary because it will be used against us. Which is already what is happening.

The only answer to French’s statement is to deny the “if” part of his conditional.

ReturnOfBestGuest
ReturnOfBestGuest
Reply to  thezman
9 months ago

Wee Benny will only debate college kids despite even “credentialed” people lining up to debate him.

Glenn
Glenn
Reply to  LineInTheSand
9 months ago

Isn’t “contributing to the delinquency of a minor” still a criminal act? All the tools we need are there but our “leadership” refuses to use them.

Reply to  LineInTheSand
9 months ago

Which legal tools. Hmm. Has to be a male librarian in his 50s or 60s somewhere in the midwest who’s willing to start purchasing and stocking dissident right books (I’m spitballing here, be charitable) such as BAP’s Bronze Age Mindset. Sit back, watch how he is attacked, defunded, and removed from his job — all legally. Take notes. Would this have been so difficult to come up with on the spot? Might not work, but if nothing else, the way out might be the same path as the way in — or as Heraclitus said, the way up is the… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
9 months ago

Exactly. Accepting the premise of “rule of law” in Current Year conditions throws the fight to French. Every element of our “Rule of Law” is a Gordian knot now, requiring an Alexandrian solution. No one unwilling to concede the critical premise & play-act for the rubes will be allowed within 100 miles of David French.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Exile
9 months ago

When only one side plays by the rules, there are no rules. Maybe when he is attacked in the street, French can defend himself with a rolled up copy of the constitution.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  LineInTheSand
9 months ago

French thinks that the judiciary hasn’t been weaponized yet?

Vizzini
Member
9 months ago

Something that never gets mentioned by dissidents is that this line of reasoning contradicts basic Christian teaching. To cede the public space on principle is to agree, in advance, to not proselytize. To preach and proselytize means staking out space in the public square, regardless of the consequences. The very founding of the Christian faith was on the bones of those, who martyred themselves to spread the word of Jesus Christ in the face of violent opposition. I encounter this a lot. I am called a religious bigot simply for stating that Christianity is the truth and that therefore other… Read more »

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Vizzini
9 months ago

Jews and Muslims have no problem with this concept. I worked in Israel for awhile. The general feeling of the very nice Jews I worked with was that Jesus was a hippie troublemaker who betrayed his faith, and deserves no thought whatsoever.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  DLS
9 months ago

They relish the suffering He went through.

rapping boomer
9 months ago

you have some good points about the failure of conservatism and the tactical dodges employed by the pundits involved in perpetrating that ideological fraud upon working class whites…but the rest of your post here is just the usual tripe…for one, the founding fathers were actually the founding plutocrats, and plutocrats in politics back then were just as evil as they are today…and the gist of your entire argument, as presented by you in most of the posts that you have written, is that there must be a new Boss, a ideological Boss, and this next one will be oh so… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  rapping boomer
9 months ago

In a multiracial country, which force is stronger, racial tribalism or labor vs. capital?

In a homogeneous country, how to address the labor vs. capital divide? A 20th politician with a distinctive moustache had programs to mitigate this issue.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  rapping boomer
9 months ago

No need to down vote a reasoned comment made in good faith. However, you are simply wrong and have not thought all of your points through. The Founders were indeed the natural aristocracy, but far from modern plutocrats. All the evidence needed for this statement is found in the model of government they chose and the models of government then in current use they could have chosen.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  rapping boomer
9 months ago

At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  rapping boomer
9 months ago

Bullshit.

Friggin commies can’t see the world thru anything but a red lense.

If I open my own business and work for myself – am I “labor” – or “capital” ??

Or do you just kill me because the situation does not compute?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Calsdad
9 months ago

I’d kill you because up have no business opening your own “business” when the State will take care of you. Impertinent bastard. 😉

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Compsci
9 months ago

LOL.

You will die Kulak – because you do not fit into our glorious well thought out plans for equality for everybody……..

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Calsdad
9 months ago

Make him hold out his hands! Feel them! Pol Pot taught us how to deal with these plutocrat schemers!

JEB
JEB
9 months ago

It’s probably true that a “militant, optimistic and aggressive Christianity” would be an effective force against the Left. It’s certainly worked for Muslims, and to a degree it’s working today for conservative Christians in America, who seem to be having more success in defending their values against the Progressive onslaught than anybody else. The problems though is that in order to recruit all those disaffected white youth to the cause you have to be able to make a decent argument that Christianity (or any religion) is…, um…, actually true, and as far as I can see no such argument exists.… Read more »

DLS
DLS
Reply to  JEB
9 months ago

“Even more frankly, if I was convinced that there was a world beyond this one where everyone was going to live forever, then why would I care if this world goes to hell?”

Because possibly your place in the next world depends on your actions in this one.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  JEB
9 months ago

The Bible openly acknowledges and approves of the existence and separation of races. This theme is acknowledged casually throughout the entire Bible.

Most Christian thinkers are willing to stand behind historical evidence for claims of Jesus’ divinity. See Evidence That Demands A Verdict.

I made exactly the same argument you did in your last sentence when I was a young, college freshman atheist. Hopefully you will also realize how wrong you are.

JEB
JEB
Reply to  Vizzini
9 months ago

I’m pretty sure the Bible never makes a big deal out of the existence of races, but I would be open to seeing quotes that suggested otherwise. In any case though, I am quite sure that the “love thy neighbor” theme in the New Testament is much stronger than anything having to do with race. And as far as arguments for the truth of Christianity, I’ve been listening to such arguments for decades and have never heard anything remotely persuasive. All of those arguments demanded that I give more credence to a handful of 2000 year old texts of uncertain… Read more »

ProUSA
ProUSA
9 months ago

When I first read about this scuffle between Ahmari and French last May, they (American Greatness) made it look like Ahmari was the fighter and French was the effete parlor room conservative tea sipping talker. So, I sided with the former and was so pleased with myself that I cancelled NR at least five years ago. After reading this blog and interjecting some vitriol over at Crisis Magazine comment section yesterday against French, I’m going back to reading military stuff. At least Ahmari, at first, seemed to try to put up a face that said conservatism needed to have some… Read more »

Bill_Mullins
Member
9 months ago

“Imagine young guys in camo flash mobbing public events, while reading Scripture.” I can imagine such an occurrence but I KNOW that it would not only NOT be a Christian act but it would unquestionably be an UNCHRISTIAN act. Such confrontational tactics directly contravene direct orders from the Creator. In Romans 12:18, The Creator, speaking through the Apostle Paul, commanded, “If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.” Again in First Peter 3:15-16, The Creator, speaking through the Apostle Peter commanded, “Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Bill_Mullins
9 months ago

True. God never intended Christianity to be confrontational.

That’s why Christ never insulted anyone.

Carl B.
Carl B.
Reply to  Bill_Mullins
9 months ago

Then I am a “disobedient Christian.” Couple of things that conjure up cowardice in the face of the enemy, hypocrisy, and failure:

“Principled Conservative” and “Evangelical Christian.”

Spare me the hollow self-righteousness of both.

Bill_Mullins
Member
Reply to  Carl B.
9 months ago

Carl B, I don’t know about anyone’s “hollow self-righteousness”; nor do I really care. I certainly belong to neither the “Principled Conservative” camp nor the “Evangelical Christian” one. All I know is what was delivered to in the Bible as we have it. In both cases we have what (at least some believe to be) are direct orders from The Creator of the universe. After 4 solid semesters of NT (κοινε “Koine”) Greek I can confidently assert that the verbs in both selections are in imperative mood and thus are COMMANDS; as opposed to mere suggestions. I also know that… Read more »

ProUSA
ProUSA
Reply to  thezman
9 months ago

“Peter was not a wartime consigliere.” Neither is David French.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  thezman
9 months ago

Jesus was the Son Of God, Z. He also famously said, “Render unto Ceasar….” I am only the merest outhouse Christian and I can swap Scripture with you all day long. Sorry, Bill is largely correct. There are no real biblical grounds for something like that save for a direct command from God himself. For me, for now, it is enough to render unto Ceasar, but I will not bow down to him. If my enemies choose violence against me on that context, the gloves come off and the guns come out and no bones about it – God can… Read more »

Johnny55
Johnny55
Reply to  thezman
9 months ago

Jesus instructed his disciples to pick up a sword. And I’m paraphrasing but he basically said he comes not to bring peace, but the sword to mankind. This cucked POS “Churchianity” is a disgusting warped view of what the Bible actually teaches.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Bill_Mullins
9 months ago

We can not win by allowing our virtues to be used as a weapon against us. The tactics and rules of the conflict are to a great extent set by our enemies. Whatever tactics were laid out by Paul were for a time and place and situation long past. Indeed, the Christian Church would not have been expanded to its current extent were it not for conflict and struggle.

The discussion on the table now is not one of expansion, but one of survival. Chose your course of action wisely.

Rod1963
Rod1963
Reply to  Bill_Mullins
9 months ago

If people followed Christianity this way it would died soon after Jesus did. Because those passages turn Christianity into a suicide cult.

Charles Martel would not have been able to fight the Saracens at Tours or those other Christian soldiers who fought over the centuries to protect their lands from the Saracens.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Bill_Mullins
9 months ago

Wow. The Bible commands unilateral, preemptive surrender to violent anti-Christian atheists. Who knew?

James O'Meara
James O'Meara
9 months ago

“Imagine young guys in camo flash mobbing public events, while reading Scripture.”

I’m trying to, really, but I keep busting into laughter.

Dorcas
Dorcas
Reply to  James O'Meara
9 months ago

Cracking me up.
“That’s why the opening was like dogs sniffing each other’s butts at the park.”

Ultra Pasteurized
Ultra Pasteurized
Reply to  James O'Meara
9 months ago

Flash mob scripture readings sound like an excellent idea to me, right in the middle of costal blue cities.

I bet a youngster (*cough* like allsup *cough*) could really do great things with events like these.

Mouse of Piety
Mouse of Piety
9 months ago

There is a growing recognition of the game the Catholic chatterers, pro-life leadership, etc. are playing. My favorite guy on this topic is David Wemhoff, author of a book on America’s manipulation of the Catholics’ understanding of their own doctrine through media power (titled John Courtney Murray, Time/Life, and the American Proposition). Virtually every Catholic media outlet, push comes the shove, has fallen in with supporting the American ideology. Wemhoff is probably the best bang for your minute when it comes to understand this. I always try to point other Catholics to this guy. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RS5wvWhdP3s Also, Amintore Fanfani’s “Catholicism, Protestantism,… Read more »

Prussian
Prussian
Reply to  Mouse of Piety
9 months ago

American priest John Courtney Murray’s teachings being adopted at Vatican II to overturn Tradition and transform the Catholic Church into a wing of the Revolution is a prime example of the liberal contagion at work in the world. I’ve had that book for some time, but only read the first 10 or so pages. George O’Brien’s ‘An Essay on the Economic Effects of the Reformation’ and ‘An Essay on Mediaeval Economic Teaching’ (the latter available at archive.org) I would say are similar titles. There’s a vast world of Right-wing anti-capitalism to be explored, and not just the Catholic economic thinking… Read more »

The Babe
The Babe
Member
9 months ago

A militant, optimistic and aggressive Christianity would be wildly attractive to disaffected white youth.

The key word there is not Christianity, but militant. We have to secure our rights as a people. But genuine rights are really just power in one of its aspects–real power, meaning, backed up by violence and the threat of violence. No violence, no rights.

(As for the Christianity part…well, you either believe or you don’t, and I just don’t. But I do accept some kind of religion or religion-substitute is crucial in pushing forward a political movement.)

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
Reply to  The Babe
9 months ago

Western civilization is inextricably entwined with Christianity. You don’t have to be a believer, but you have to accept it as part of the core Western and American identity. Putin, for example, understands this. That is why he is a booster of Orthodoxy in Russia. I do not think he is a devout Orthodox Christian, but he knows that Orthodoxy is an essential part of the Russian identity. Their civilization cannot be whole without it.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  MikeCLT
9 months ago

Interesting that Putin seems to accept the Orthodox Church for what it is, rather than trying to convert it to something else for his own ends. Would that those in the West would treat the “home” religion in a similar “hands off” fashion, rather than trying to bend it to their selfish secular practices. Putin strikes me as a real adult in the room, despite his dark background and scary behind-the-scenes activities.

Ultra Pasteurized
Ultra Pasteurized
Reply to  Dutch
9 months ago

I am a horrible person but I believe Putin is a man in the room because he is willing to do whatever is necessary for his people.

I can’t imagine how wonderful it must be to have such a leader.

No homo.

Johnny55
Johnny55
Reply to  Dutch
9 months ago

It always amazes me, if we have figured it out, do you not think that both Putin and Trump know the score and who is “really” running things. FFS, even Joe Kennedy warned his son about it. These people know the real history of the 20th century, just like we do. Now are they out their screaming “gas the kikes” or some nonsense. Nope, they are taking the Stalin approach. The only strategy that can win.

Prussian
Prussian
Reply to  Dutch
9 months ago

“Putin strikes me as a real adult in the room, despite his dark background and scary behind-the-scenes activities.”

I agree with Jonathan Bowden:
“The current estimation is very much that civilization and barbarism are mutually exclusive, but I believe that you cannot have the one without the other.”
https://www.counter-currents.com/2010/08/bowden-why-i-write/

Ursula
Ursula
Reply to  Prussian
9 months ago

“I am not preaching anti-intellectuality, but extolling the licentiousness and chthonian violence of re-integration. The affliction which Indo-Europeans suffer from is entirely mental and subjective; they are chronically afraid of their own shadow in Jungian terms. If the civilization which their ancestors created has any future at all then they must overcome their resistance to barbarism; they must o’erleap it on the altar of high culture. They must dispel the cloud and lay out a future where Arthur Butz’s credo doesn’t have to be true (or not). “Truthfully, in this age those with intellect have no courage and those with… Read more »

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
9 months ago

“This is where dissident Christians can find a niche in dissident politics. There is a long tradition of Christians preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ in the face of fierce opposition from authority.” ————————————————– True enough, Z, as far as it goes… but… you first! 🙂 You’re telling me to go out into the public square where I will get martyred by social justice warriors, queers, socialists, and other degenerates. I can legally be arrested, fined and jailed for speaking of God to the wrong person in the wrong place. No thanks. How about you post your face on the… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Glenfilthie
9 months ago

No doxxing, Mr. Smith, you are correct that we’re not ready. (Please note you’re part of “we”.)

Stalwarts like Zman, Saml Adams, and Dutch are *our guys* behind the lines. Let the marxists and cucks stick with the truly important business of denouncing each other.

karl Mchungus
karl Mchungus
9 months ago

Is there anyone out there actually listening to Klown#1? Or is he just barking into the void, in order to keep getting paid?

Red Forman
Red Forman
9 months ago

“A militant, optimistic and aggressive Christianity would be wildly attractive to disaffected white youth.”

Change “would be” to “is.” This is happening now in certain quarters. The husk of enlightenment Christianity staggers toward its inevitable resting place, while green shoots of vibrant orthodox remnants spring up here and there. At the risk of sounding like a broken record: WHO IS REPRODUCING? Theirs is the future.

Corn
Corn
Reply to  Red Forman
9 months ago

“Change “would be” to “is.” This is happening now in certain quarters. ”

I’m not a believer myself but I’ve heard multiple times in the media that the under 40/under 30 Catholics are noticeably more traditionalist and conservative than Boomer or Gen X Catholics.

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
Reply to  Corn
9 months ago

You have to be careful when discussing under 30s in America. Millenials are majority white, but barely so. Gen Z is half white for now, but the generation is still being born. A traditionalist hispanic is not our guy.

LOVETHEDONALD
LOVETHEDONALD
Reply to  Corn
9 months ago

i just read a survey recently that the average number of children for Traditional Catholic women is six.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
9 months ago

Dissident Christians can bring a “ ought to be” foundation to a movement. My father went to church maybe once a year and the rest of the year he avoided Christianity but he was surrounded by a Christian “ought to be” small town culture.
Therefore he grew up with some common sense.
Now we are like the Spanish landing in Central America and we are met by a ignorant population of people with tattoos and nose rings.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
9 months ago

“Now we are like the Spanish landing in Central America and we are met by a ignorant population of people with tattoos and nose rings.”

And they appease the weather gods with child sacrifice, too!

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
9 months ago

On the other hand, I stongly support RU-486 instead of antivirals for Africa, Bangladesh, and greater Arabia.

That’s why God gave us RU-486.
The stray cat nations with 100 mile slums aren’t a benefit to anyone, especially themselves. The girls are right about this.

Exile
Exile
Member
9 months ago

David French is a passive agressive ankle-biting lapdog begging treats from Mx. French at home and dancing for J-right donors at work, a Last Man in every sense. Z’s nailed French’s principal motive before – peacocking pride. What’s more, it’s a very feminized sort of pride, emblematic of the modern feminized Christian Church – the pride of virtue-preening and gossipy snark about status, appearances, social graces, motives and intentions rather than manly deeds and accomplishments. I recommend Dalrock’s blog for good critiques of this from a Christian perspective, definitely not “Our Guy,” but Heartiste/manosphere adjacent, and he nails this topic… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Exile
9 months ago

Exile, that was truly epic! Made my day.

Member
Reply to  Dutch
9 months ago

Dutch, excellent observation.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  Exile
9 months ago

Two things brosef—

1) Another slam dunk in content. You should consider starting your own blog. Your comments are prolific and on point most of the time.

2) I see you mention CH quite often. You weren’t Exile there that I’m aware of, what alias did you use? I’m certain I would remember a writing style like yours.

The Artist Formerly Known As Jay in DC (TAFKAJID, sounds Muslim 🙂 )
-Apex Predator

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Apex Predator
9 months ago

I was a lurker only at CH, alas. Don’t know whatcha got til it’s gone. Appreciate the props, working on content for blog rollout in a month or two.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Exile
9 months ago

Stay with Z. You two have a synergy, a balanced load, and this way I get TWO daily delights.

Fish Speakers!
Frank Herbert was so far ahead of his time.

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  Exile
9 months ago

Exile….you have the give of observation and the gift of converting that to inspired salient writing by a quick and agile brain. Thanks Exile…I look forward to my Exile Brain Stretch.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Exile
9 months ago

I got about 2/3 of the way through this post without reading the name at the top and thought, this must be Exile. Sure enough. Thanks for the entertaining read.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  DLS
9 months ago

I get the sense that the shark-toothed Exile intends to WIN.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Exile
9 months ago

Re: ” In Father Coughlin’s day, it was mainstream Christian belief that the world was a place of limitations and imperfection where fallible sinners helped those they could and we all patiently awaited Christ’s Second Coming. Only then would the battle to “perfect the world” even begin. ” I’m not going to claim to be a “Christian” – but that is exactly how I have viewed the world for quite some time. It has been my experience on a personal and almost daily basis – that the world is NOTHING BUT a place of limitations and imperfection – and pain.… Read more »

SidVic
SidVic
Member
9 months ago

Boy, would i love to hear a blood-sport debate between Zman and one of the NR cucks French/Goldberg/Lowry. Won’t happen, they would sooner drink drain cleaner.

Vegetius
Vegetius
9 months ago

I watched for a couple of minutes. Three cucks in a row was all I saw.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Vegetius
9 months ago

Remember the three monkeys?
“Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil”

Abelard Lindsey
Abelard Lindsey
9 months ago

At first, I had no idea what “Frenchism” was. Then I read the First Things article that, among other things, said that David French also promulgated the Russian collusion conspiracy against Trump, like so much of the left, even though this acquisition was obviously bogus from the get go. So, I still have no idea what “Frenchism” is, other than I think David French is full of shit.

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
9 months ago

Watch the video: add the mannerisms on top of the sterile arguments and what you see is why the Progressives have had a free hand for so long. These are the palace eunuchs.

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
9 months ago

Had the pleasure of attending my sister’s modern, millennial church recently. You know the type, lots of soft blue lighting, rock-n-roll band playing before the service, hands in the air, and a young, dynamic preacher who made everyone feel real good about themselves, etc, etc. Basically, self-help group therapy dressed up as Christianity. They are all very, very full of love and acceptance for everyone, especially those who would destroy their country and their families. Their version of Jesus Christ is basically John Lennon without the music career. Trust me, this type of “Christian” is (if I recall correctly) the… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Outdoorspro
9 months ago

Very full of love and acceptance for everyone, except for those who do not toe the line on the socially approved leftie laundry list of things. Those rotten people get two minutes of hate, thrown right into the middle of the service. Part of the fun is to predict when the gears will change and the two minutes will kick in. Usually about five minutes before the end of the sermon. Just to tie the bow up tight and send everyone out to brunch and Costco fully filled with angry righteousness, masked by enthusiastic ephemeral “love for all*”. The asterisk… Read more »

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  Dutch
9 months ago

Agreed Dutch. My brother-in-law is a very strong believer in that type of “Christianity”. He goes to church, is involved with it, holds Bible studies at his house and all that other good stuff. Yet, he spends a lot of time on Facebook ranting about Trump and the “haters” who support him. The rest of the family have simply learned not to talk politics near him, or try to correct his NPC sputterings. He’s typical of the liberal members of his church, and the Trump supporters at the church are typically quiet about it, so as not to have to… Read more »

The Right Doctor
The Right Doctor
Reply to  Outdoorspro
9 months ago

We church-shopped after moving to the desert a few years ago, all non-denominational (hence not formally and officially leftist) Protestant congregations. The closest I ever came to walking out of a service was when one preacher said, “There is no room for racists in heaven.”

That’s funny, my understanding was that Judas Iscariot will be in heaven if among his final thoughts was repentance.

HamburgerToday
HamburgerToday
9 months ago

There are two ghosts haunting the Amari/French dialog: Joseph McCarthy and Martin Luther King. As far as people like French are concerned, MLK is more important than Jesus. And, of course, any talk of driving the enemies of Christianity from the ‘public space’ is ‘McCarthyism’. The Zman is right, of course, when he says that Christianity was never intended to be a navel-gazing affair, but a revolutionary cause (which is *exactly* how the Romans interpreted the behavior of the Jesus cult). While the Zman bring up martyrdom as an example of the ‘aggressive’ nature of Christianity, I tend to focus… Read more »

Member
Reply to  HamburgerToday
9 months ago

Including the tax collectors, the money changers, and those who would cast stones at hoes.

JohnTyler
JohnTyler
9 months ago

This debate and others like it are a sideshow; they are meaningless, a waste of time. It’s like arguing with your neighbor in April 1945 Berlin what color neckties should be worn when the Russian Army is about to launch their final offensive to take the city. Guess what, the Russian Army could give a shit; you are a dead man. While these talking heads attempt to demonstrate how smart they are in front of their minuscule (as compared to the number of folks who vote) adoring crowds, we have a bunch of Stalinist wannabes vying to become president of… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  JohnTyler
9 months ago

Accelerationism may need to be put into overdrive, should things go a certain way next year.

JohnTyler
JohnTyler
Reply to  Dutch
9 months ago

I have no idea what is Accelerationism. I just know that the more powerful and overbearing government becomes, the more the citizenry loses their individual rights. . The founders of this nation were aware of this and thus established three branches of government as well as the electoral college voting system , all in the effort to minimize the chance of a tyrannical form of govt. The system of Federalism they established, but which has become greatly diminished due to the Civil War, the establishment of the federal income tax and the direct election of US Senators, was the ultimate… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  JohnTyler
9 months ago

Accelerationism, in this context, means don’t fight the system or the overreaching government. The authorities are so incompetent, that the sooner we let them run everything, the sooner they fall apart and the system gets rebuilt into something better. Pushing back along the way, once government gets to a certain point, is counterproductive because it prolongs the agony of dealing with the present system rather than letting it fall from its own contradictions.

Unfortunately, we won’t know if accelerationism is worthwhile, in this case, until after the fact.

JohnTyler
JohnTyler
Reply to  Dutch
9 months ago

Note that waiting to allow things to fall apart gave the Bolsheviks 70 years to F things up and produced about 30 million killed. The Cuban people have now been waiting over 60 years for the “incompetents” to mess up, and the citizens in Venezuela have now been waiting about 10 years. The BIG problem with allowing the “incompetents ” (by the way, leftists are NOT incompetents; they know exactly what they are doing) time to destroy themselves is that they destroy everything else as well, including the livelihood and lives of the citizenry. Further, once in power, they find… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  JohnTyler
9 months ago

The vestiges of my CivNat roots try to remind me that everything should work out alright, over time, if I just play by the rules and vote. Then I get real. I remember that the Facebook/Google Panopticon is very efficient, but the people tasked with the midnight door knocks less so, and that will need to be taken advantage of. Things will be ugly, but there is only so much a person can do to change the direction of things. Work within your limits when the SHTF, and that is some combination of proactive and going grey, depending on the… Read more »

Prussian
Prussian
Reply to  JohnTyler
9 months ago

Awesome comment. History is littered with the defeated, and with the extinct, and I see no reason why we’d be exempted.

Prussian
Prussian
Reply to  Prussian
9 months ago

I tried to edit this comment but couldn’t. I wanted to add that I used to lean toward accelerationism, but I’ve come to view it as being too optimistic. I don’t believe events can be relied upon to spontaneously make the needed changes in thinking. It reminds me of orthodox Marxists confidently asserting that workers would one day spontaneously become orthodox Marxist in their thinking, and that the workers of the world would unite as cosmopolitan Marxist revolutionaries. Men like Gramsci had the intelligence to see-through this, and set about attempting to effect the changes they desired by other means… Read more »

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  JohnTyler
9 months ago

Listening to GNR Civil War amusingly enough The economy can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent or live for that matter Outright Communism lasted 75 years or so in the USSR and I suspect the US can manage quite a lot more ruin, many many many decades of mass immigration and confiscatory taxes just getting worse along the way In the end, if the Actual Right wants the nation to be a certain way economically and ethnically they will have to make it that way, probably by force Itis worth trying to above board stuff for now ,… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Member
9 months ago

Proselytization becomes a tough issue where the faith claims a higher authority than the people. As I noted yesterday, Jews neatly solved this problem by making themselves God’s Chosen and thus effectively uniting their people and God. Their myths of golden calves and Yahweh’s wrath notwithstanding, there is no functional behavioral distinction between even secular Jewish tribal interests and the moral judgments and requirements of Jewish religion. They’re functionally the same. Unless Christians affect this convergence, they’d be subject to the Prager trap of disloyalty to the people in the interests of a higher moral authority. In that we are… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Exile
9 months ago

Indeed. That question has been bouncing around in my head forever (it seems). How do we enlist the ranks of Christians when a fundamental aspect of doctrine—we are all equal in Christ—is interpreted that we are all equal, period.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Compsci
9 months ago

We change the interpretation. Chesterton would have fallen off his chair laughing if you proposed to him that Africans were equal to Englishmen. Check out https://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2019/05/being-progressive-yesterday-race.html as well.

Epaminondas
Member
9 months ago

I met a lady recently who had done missionary work in Guatemala for the past 30 years. When she learned I could speak a little Spanish (very little), she asked me to accompany her missionary group next year. I asked her why she had spent 30 years going back and forth to a Spanish-speaking country without learning to speak Spanish. Her answer revealed a generous portion of humble bragging: “I spend so much time at the medical dispensary handing out pills that I don’t have time to learn Spanish.”

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Epaminondas
9 months ago

Sad that Guatemala appears to have a shortage of people capable of passing out pills, and must bring in foreign workers to get the job done 🙂

Member
Reply to  Dutch
9 months ago

Why pass out pills when you can have los gringos pass them to you in America whilst you get lots of other free stuff?

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  Libertymike
9 months ago

Guatemalans don’t need to come to America to freeload – stay in Guatemala and the do-gooder gringos will come to serve them.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Epaminondas
9 months ago

I have a good friend from church who became fairly jaded after a missionary trip to the South. Our church would go down South and with their sister church down there, have volunteer congregants build housing and such for the local population. It took just one trip where he and other good-Whites labored and built housing for families that sat on the ground and watched. Yes, they smiled and said thanks and waved goodbye at the end, but they did nothing to help with such efforts on their behalf. He (and I) then volunteered our time and effort on this… Read more »

SidVic
SidVic
Member
Reply to  Compsci
9 months ago

My sisters kids drive me nuts with mission trips and the request for support of such. I’ve noted that these “missions” invariable target destinations with good beaches.

Member
Reply to  Compsci
9 months ago

Talk about a Habitat for Human Bio-Diversity.

Pickle Rick
Pickle Rick
9 months ago

A response to the neocons, churchians, Christcucks, and the civnats that is beginning to boil is simply this-
You’ve failed to preserve or conserve anything. Not your religion, not your culture, or your country. Why should any of us allow you to speak for us, propose solutions, educate our children or exercise moral authority over us?

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Pickle Rick
9 months ago

Touché!

Prussian
Prussian
Reply to  Pickle Rick
9 months ago

Don’t forget that you’ll need to get a great number of them at least marginally on your/their own side if any real change is to be effected. You’ll need to change their thinking, and that takes thoughtfulness and tact (I don’t have faith that some sort of collapse will spontaneously effect it). People are not rational, and propaganda works, and modern Westerners live their entire lives submerged in an ocean of it. We must remember the audience, the context, the situation. I wish it weren’t this way, but I’m afraid that it is.

Johnny55
Johnny55
9 months ago

Honestly, I am so sick of it all. The fact that they have fairly successfully pushed a man cutting his own dick off as a basic civil right shows how close to the end I think we are. I heard an interview with a fellow French cuck from NRO where he made the statement that Ilhan Omar is a quintessential American story. I sat in the car and couldn’t believe what I heard. It’s like we are not even on the same planet with these people. They are not just cucks, they are ENEMIES!!! “France is no longer France.” That… Read more »

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Johnny55
9 months ago

“They are not just cucks, they are ENEMIES!!!”

I came to that conclusion in the early nineties. It was liberating.

Johnny55
Johnny55
Reply to  Epaminondas
9 months ago

I’ll say this, whatever other criticisms you have, Trump has ripped the masks off these people. There’s no going back in my opinion.

Lorenzo
Lorenzo
Reply to  Johnny55
9 months ago

They ripped their own masks off, threw them to the ground and stomp them into shreds. Trump just drove them nuts enough to do it.

Pursuvant
Pursuvant
9 months ago

From mythology…

A man in deep prayer discovered a truth.

Mara’s attendant asked what was discovered and Mara (the Devil) replied, “A piece of truth.”

“Doesn’t this bother you when someone finds a piece of truth, O Evil One?” his attendant asked.

“No,” Mara replied. “Right after this, they usually make a belief out of it.”

ReturnOfBestGuest
ReturnOfBestGuest
9 months ago

Let’s have some fun. Let’s expose them. Post your questions that you would have asked in a debate with either of the (Uni)party members.

ReturnOfBestGuest
ReturnOfBestGuest
Reply to  ReturnOfBestGuest
9 months ago

I’ll start. To David French: How many kids (including babies) were available for adoption in the US when you sought an overseas child? And why did you do that? What made you opt for overseas adoption? (I already know the answer.)

Rod1963
Rod1963
9 months ago

Z wrote: A militant, optimistic and aggressive Christianity would be wildly attractive to disaffected white youth. Imagine young guys in camo flash mobbing public events, while reading Scripture. That would be fine in 1980. If Christians did that today, they would beaten and arrested by the police and have the book thrown at them by the DA and ADL. Make no mistake the Jewish community would come after us with everything they have. Overnight laws would be passed making public expressions of Christianity a felony. And if the SWJ and Anti-fa get wind ahead of time, they’ll be waiting to… Read more »

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Rod1963
9 months ago

What’s that supposed to be? The “but it might be haaaaard” critique?

King Tut
King Tut
Reply to  Rod1963
9 months ago

“Behold, I send you out as a sheep among the wolves”.

Reply to  Rod1963
9 months ago

Then that’s the way it’s gonna’ be. It’s the way things often have been for those before us — look at the reception Isaac Jogues and his companions ultimately received in what is now Canada and US. Along with millions of others over two millennia. These “laws” mean nothing.

Prussian
Prussian
Reply to  Rod1963
9 months ago

Rules of law written on paper are only effective if there is raw power to back them up. There must be a sufficient number of people who care about respecting a rule of law, who can field sufficient power (they must be willing to sacrifice their well-being or their lives for these rules of law, and have the material means to bring sufficient force). If people have been rendered too muddle-headed or ignorant to care, too cowardly and materialistic to sacrifice, too materially weak to bring sufficient force to the table, then the rules of law, and those who seek… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
9 months ago

National Review is on death watch with under 90,000 print subscribers. Most of them likely retired Octogenarian political science teachers.

People like French don’t move the needle anymore and it kills them. Expect them to joint the Democrats as the new “moderate wing.” For the Democrats this will be like getting the blankets with small pox.

Johnny55
Johnny55
Reply to  JR Wirth
9 months ago

There is a FASCINATING connection to Buckley and the JFK assassination. The book Final Judgment is a MUST READ!

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  JR Wirth
9 months ago

Remember that the 90k subscribers includes the ones where they extend the subscription for three years for 50 cents (because extending for free doesn’t count in the “paid” subscription rolls). Also the people that autopay their renewals and have somehow disappeared. I figure the full-boat subscribers at under 10k. And how many for union offices, democratic HQs, the other pubs like WP and NYT, and the various libraries and university pol sci departments?

Gaius Gracchus
Gaius Gracchus
Reply to  Dutch
9 months ago

It was always a Mockingbird operation.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Dutch
9 months ago

The entire right wing establishment survives on autopay these days. A bankrupt legacy system.

Vizzini
Member
9 months ago

The Zman’s subscriber count reference model, Paul Joseph Watson, just uploaded a scathing rant along similar lines:

https://youtu.be/gK_0Yo-0r08

ReturnOfBestGuest
ReturnOfBestGuest
Reply to  Vizzini
9 months ago

I wonder to what extent the underclass has been further demoralized by globalism, mass immigration and the welfare state? (Along with the general societal break-down.) Work hard to get ahead no longer applies when they can force you to train your third-world replacements and subsidize them at the same time.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
9 months ago

Everywhere I go, when I mention the Great Replacement, the whites (and nonwhites!) strongly agree that our elites hate us.

Today, a Western gal said, “I believe in both God –and– Darwin, and that there are more than one.” She could respect others’, but her own came first.

That is exactly right. Without us and what formed us, this world collapses into darkness and savagery.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
9 months ago

The “dispensationalists” or millenialists, seeing the New Testament primarily as a guide to the End Times, have always had a great deal of cultivation and shekels from the proto-Zionists, who have a similar vision of Jerusalem.

Scofield’s wildly popular Reference Bible, and modern political evangels such as Falwell, Graham, Roberts, and Hagee have received, well, huge amounts of shekels and media support. The same was true of the Vatican ll crowd. After all, the original authors wrote and edited the Book for the same reasons. Ancient politics were no different from today.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
9 months ago

Or they wrote and edited the Book because they were inspired by God.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
9 months ago

“Their” God. And they will admit this openly.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
9 months ago

Yet this True Conservatism end times grift has been a boom for French, no? Who knew of him prior to his narcissistic posturing on behalf of the infallible faith of Never Trump? Hell, this Muslim convert to weak Christian dissident may have gotten a cut for taking the fall.

Someone from Conservatism, Inc., had to suck the last dollar out of the dwindling faithful. It seems fitting that French, with his warmongering Elmer Gantry act, could be that man.

Rcocean
Rcocean
Reply to  Jack Dobson
9 months ago

Even disregarding his politics, David French is such a complete wanker. The constant talk of his Ethiopian child. The constant -exaggerated- talk of his military service. The bald head and elitist, dull manner. The constant Lawyer jargon and bullshit. Frankly, even if changed sides, I still wouldn’t like him.

Gaius Gracchus
Gaius Gracchus
9 months ago

If David French believed in a “neutral space” he would fight for KKK story hour at his local library. And make sure it was funded and supported, with little kids dressing up in white robes and hoods.

After that, he would fight for Neo-Nazi story hour at the library, with all the costumes and literature.

No, David would fight for Muslim story hour and open borders story hour and every other story hour first. And condemn even Pat Buchanan story hour……

Rcocean
Rcocean
Reply to  Gaius Gracchus
9 months ago

Exactly. David French is just FakeCon. The Washington generals. The Controlled opposition. For the last 3 years he’s tried to pose as some sort of “moderate” between the LIberal/Left and the Trump-Right. He’s no different than an American Tory in 1776 who didn’t like the British, but spent all his time attacking Washington and Adams because “we need to win independence in the *right* way” by respecting the Conservative value of Obeying the King.

UpYours
UpYours
Reply to  Rcocean
9 months ago

Well his name is David “French”. Being a gentlemanly cuck even when the enemy is massacring his family and society is his style. Maybe he should change his name to David Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey.

Rcocean
Rcocean
9 months ago

I hope you mock this “debate” in your podcast. This is kind of thing I hate about the Right. The endless obsession with political theology, with lots of hot air about “Freedom” vs. “The Good” – and what about Edmund Burke. You even have idiots re-fighting the Reformation. Catholics vs. Protestants – Round 10,203. Meanwhile the Left is focused on the real world of TODAY and interested in one thing: gaining power to destroy the Right.

Prussia
Prussia
Reply to  Rcocean
9 months ago

There is plenty of fruitless and stupid debate out there, but keep in mind that the Left’s power lay in contaminating peoples’ minds with their ideas (via mass media and education). That’s how they maintain legitimacy even in the minds of whites as the left liberal elite/system is working diametrically against their interests and the interests of their offspring. The elite, the system that has empowered and incentivized them (liberalism), and the ideas that drive/justify the whole process (our contemporary left-liberalism (and contemporary right-liberalism is no true opposition or threat to them)) all need to be delegitimized in the eyes… Read more »

disordered deacon
disordered deacon
9 months ago

Catholic Poland leads the way, a boy waving a rosary against a gay pride parade had to be subdued by globalist agents of the law.
not to mention the relatively impressive nationalism on their holidays.
the spirit of Jan Sobieski lives on, hope it spreads

Prussian
Prussian
Reply to  disordered deacon
9 months ago

“Hope it spreads.”

So do I. Two of my great concerns: are they consuming the same types of media we are? Do their elites, a product of liberal democracy + capitalism (like our elites), have the same incentives ours do? Ireland was a bastion of relative tradition and nationalism up until 20 years ago, and they’ve since collapsed into liberal disintegration (right after the end of internal strife and a great rise in economic growth, notably). Another example of this would be Spain, which has similarly transformed since the death of Franco/Francoism in the 1970’s.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
9 months ago

Would you call The Nazis “Bismarckian Germans”?

Or Junckers?

Then do refrain from calling Frenchists and neocons “Buckelyites.”

FFS its complete defamation of the dead and totally inaccurate.

Buckley was not conserving Galibraith.

Other than defamation of the dead by confusing them with the living and now with then your analysis of the present is correct.

“dogs sniffing each other’s butts at the park” with credentialism- TBF that’s all our elites, all academics. Still LOL

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
Reply to  vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
9 months ago

To be helpful – call them what they are- Frenchists or Lowryites …or cucks.

There’s really no gains in our dissidence descending to the level of the Spanish Civil War and digging up dead nuns to put them on trial.