The Dead Witch Crisis

The news is now full of reports that Hillary Clinton had some sort of “episode” as she was getting into her assisted living van. It’s possible she was still drunk from the night before or maybe just so hungover she could barely walk. The campaign says she has pneumonia, which could mean anything or nothing. She has disappeared from sight so we’re left to speculate, but she is clearly a woman with serious health problems. The question people are beginning to ask is can she continue to campaign? If not, will she be forced to drop out? What would happen if she did?

The funny thing about all of this is most Americans don’t know how we actually select Presidents. The voting that is done in November will not, as a legal matter, select the next President. Voting merely selects the electors who will then meet on the Monday after the second Wednesday in December. They actually meet in their respective state capitals where they cast their votes for President and Vice President. All but Maine and Nebraska have a winner take all system for selecting electors so your vote sort of matters, unless you live in a one-party state.

Similarly, each state has rules for getting on the November ballot. For example, Evan McMuffin, the Never Trump candidate, missed the deadline to be on many state ballots. This applies to the party candidates, as well, so a last minute change would create complications for the Democrats. If Hillary Clinton was suddenly incapacitated or simply quit the race, the Democrats would have a problem. They would have to go to court in some states to have their new candidate listed on the ballot. It’s not impossible, but it would be a complication.

So, what are the possible scenarios?

At this late date, finding a replacement would be complicated. The Democrat Party has rules for this scenario so they could move quickly. The rules strongly encourage the party to pick the runner up, but they can pick anyone to fill the slot. Bernie Sanders would be the obvious option, but that would mean certain defeat to Donald Trump, the nightmare scenario for both parties. The Bernie Bros are committed, but their numbers are limited. Most Americans would assume his nomination is a surrender.

They could go with a famous person with some traction in the party, but the choices are limited. Joe Biden is famous, but old and prone to saying wildly offensive things to black people and women. Elizabeth Warren is popular with the crazies, but she scares normal people. She’s also a very poor campaigner. She passed on a chance to run and passed on the VP spot. This makes forcing Clinton aside a troublesome scenario simply because the other options are only slightly better than having a corpse at the top of the ticket,

That brings up another option. Imagine that on Halloween it is reported that Clinton fell off her broom again and hit her head, rendering her incapacitated. The Democrats could reach out to Congressional Republicans and ask for a delay in the election. Congress does not have the power to dictate when people vote. They do have the power to decide when the Electors must be selected by the states. Congress could work with the states to postpone the election to December 3 in order to sort things out.

This brings us back to the first scenario, but the difference here is the crisis feel would open another dimension. The Democrats would feel free to pick anyone they like and would probably consult with the Republicans to come up with a “senior statesman” they could offer up as safe choice in a crisis. In other words, this delay would allow both parties to reset the game board so that the election was no longer about the insurgent Trump versus the corrupt system. Instead, it would be about the steady hand in a time of crisis versus the irrational hothead.

Another scenario, the high risk scenario, is for Congress to cancel the election entirely. Article II gives Congress the power to set the date electors are chosen so they can delay this indefinitely. Speaker Ryan would become acting President until Congress could come up with a new election date. Since Republicans control something like 35 state legislatures, they could stall the process so that they can stack the Electoral College with party members, who would pick a party insider. A governor like Kasich or even Jeb Bush could be installed as president.

Those are the Machiavellian scenarios. Given the nature of the political class, it seems unlikely that any of those would happen, even if Clinton drops dead tomorrow. Even so, it offers a little glimpse into the future. Over the last century, we have invested enormous power into the office of President. If you’re wondering how we can flip from republic to empire, a crisis such as the above would offer the opportunity. One candidate that is unacceptable and one that is dead, opens the door for the political class to bypass the voters and install their own man.

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JoanOfArgghh!
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I don’t like any of those scenarios. But I’d bet on the odds of one of them being played out.

Doug
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How about this scenario then,

-Comment seen on WRSA by kg9aq:
“HALF OF TRUMP’S voters might be DEPLORABLE but the
MAJORITY of HILLARY”S voters are DEPORTABLE!”

King George III
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I’m reminded of the old Chinese curse, “may you live in interesting times”.

If the next few months go poorly I may eject from this country into a relative backwater: When Hitler got elected, von Neumann said “bad, bad things are going to happen here” and left to America. Hitler was right, but von Neumann was more right. I think we’re at a historical watershed moment on par with that of 1933.

Nedd Ludd
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“Hitler was right,” Is this a typo?

King George III
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No. Hitler got a lot of things very right, at first, but he was standing up against the weight of the world, which ultimately crushed him and his country, and drove him insane along the way.

Crispin
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Meh.
So Dolf kissed a few babies? Got the trains to run on time, did he?
I’m never gonna be a fan of his.
Way too much downside vs. upside – like 6 million to one ratio, or so.

With any luck, Hillery will be meeting him very soon. She will find him charming. Her first question:
“Dolf baby, how did I screw that up?” “It was in the bag!”

King George III
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Yeah yeah yeah, the six million, the Jew soap and lampshades, the diesel engines that carbon monoxide-poisoned whole roomfuls of people, the showers that were really gas chambers, the delousing chambers that were really gas chambers, the cremation facilities that were really mass ovens, etc.

What a racket.

Old Codger
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Soooo, what’s your opinion of the other guy who started WWII and killed 20 million of his own people before that, Uncle Joe Stalin? Remember Uncle Joe and Dolf had a pact to jointly invade Poland one from the west and one from the east, which they both carried out! Uncle Joe then doubled down on his evil, when he then executed 30,000 Polish military officers in the Katyn Forest. Did Joe magically become a good guy simply because Dolf turned on him? Or did the US pick the wrong guy to war upon, based upon the persuasive powers of… Read more »
Dorf
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Think something like Parkinsons or Myasthenia Gravis or one of several other neurological problems. All have measurable end points. Any way you parse it she Will Not be around for the curtain call.

Doug
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The press wouldn’t notice if they stuffed and mounted her and gave her mechanical lips that spew the party line.
After all, that is all that really matters.
Us deplorable’s and our interests don’t count anyway.
After their done with her in the elections, they can just set her in the chair in the oval office, George Soros and Humin can sign the executive diktat.

Member

Never EVER use “mounted her” in any sentence where Mrs Clinton is the subject. Yeccch.

jwm
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The very disturbing questions:
Can we trust what the media reports? no
Can we trust the government tells us? no.
Can anyone believe a word out of obama’s lying mouth? no
Is there anyone who speaks with credibility on any aspect of this mess? No.
Trust level all around is zero.
Not a foot to stand on. No solid ground.
Everyone is reduced to wild ass guessing. None of us has has a clue.
Happy fucking 9/11

JWM

LetsPlay
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What no one is willing to say … dead vagina walking. The 40% still willing to vote for a dead vagina will no doubt be willing to accomplish further trashing the US Constitution. As for Paul Ryan, good luck chuck! Barry probably isn’t going anywhere.

LetsPlay
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Guess it would have been more accurate to say “stumbling” instead of walking.

elmer
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“dead vagina walking” – HILLarious!!!!!!!! Actually, I think that they have already wired the pantsuit with animatronics, like they use at Disney World

meema
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In the Matrix you can promote and hide the serious health issues of the political class’s candidate with all manner of lies. The point is to get her elected so that the powers already in place can finish the job of ‘fundamentally changing’ America. If they can just keep her alive. If she becomes irretrievably incapacitated or expires before election day, depending on how close to deadline, they would likely lie about that as well. We’d be told she had a relapse or something and needed her rest even as she was growing cold and stiff in a locked room.… Read more »
Notsothoreau
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If they were ready for all contingencies, why were they caught off guard by Trump?

meema
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Here’s what I know about the psychopathic thought processing – especially the Clinton Crime family – first – they reside mostly in their own alternate realities and they don’t really know average Americans at all. So, they continued to believe that the same rhetoric and manipulations from the media to the dumbed downs would work much the same as it did in ‘08 and ’12. They were not prepared for the unknown masses, who are sick of the same ole, same old, to rise up and embrace the likes of Trump. In their alternate world they are certainly prepared and… Read more »
notsothoreau
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I suspect that, if the Repubs elected in 2012 has actually stood up to Obama, they would have been able to run Bush or Rubio like they wanted. Their failure to do so, after running on a platform to stop him, is what caused the anger.

Red hat
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Well done Trump, he said nothing and made sure the full glare is on Clinton.

Doug
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Got the makings of a real statesmen right there.

Kathleen
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Kellyanne Conway had Trump tied up in the basement.

Old Codger
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Sounds like Kathleen is a “Fifty Shades” kind of gal! Just wrong an ignorant in her kinky assessment. Trump, as always is out campaigning and ignoring the dead vagina stumbling. he’s simply following Napoleon’s maxim: “Do not interfere when your enemy is busy destroying herself!”

Kathleen
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You’re a moron. All I meant was that Kellyanne is a good campaign manager and making sure he does not open up his mouth at the wrong time, as he has in previous occasions. She obviously told him not to respond in a way to draw any attention to himself, and away from the Hildabeast. That you could draw some kind of kinky reference says much about your thought process, not mine.

Member

I think Old Codger’s point is that Trump doesn’t need that kind of coaching.

CaptDMO
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Much as Mr. Obama’s effort to defend The Constitution have increased firearm sales, the “political class cabal” MIGHT bring Amazon sales of torches, hay rakes, scythes, hoes, shovels, and ladders, to new heights.
Consider: Don’t petition, or “request” your elected representatives, instruct them.

CaptDMO
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Crap! after ” class” please.

thor47
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Hillary will make it through the election. She obviously has problems but doesn’t appear to be quite on death’s door; her worshippers don’t care anyway. If she wins, she will resign in a few months when the hackers start releasing the Sec of State emails. VP Kaine will pardon her and be President the rest of the term. Warren will run for President in the next election. The dems turn to hard core left will be complete.

Solomon Honeypickle IV
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Solomon Honeypickle IV

I disagree; she very much does look like she is at Death’s door!

Doug
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Tim Kaine’s Radical Roots
http://freenorthcarolina.blogspot.com/2016/09/tim-kaines-radical-roots.html
(linked from The Hill)

VINDICATED Former Huffington Post Writer: We Are Being Gaslighted- Hillary’s Health is Horrific
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/vindicated-former-huffington-post-writer-gaslighted-hillarys-health-horrific-video/

BREAKING: Democrats May Hold Emergency Meeting to Consider Replacing Hillary Clinton
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/report-democrats-may-hold-emergency-meeting-consider-replacing-hillary-clinton/

What Happens If Hillary Clinton Has To Drop Out?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-12/what-happens-if-hillary-clinton-has-drop-out

Alex
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nope she’s done. Its a one man race from here on out. The damage that has been done is irreparable. You can see it the panic in the eyes of the minions rushing out to spin the lies in the media today. The polls may be jacked to continue to show this as a tight race, but it is a done deal.

PRCD
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What if they just rig the Diebold machines?

Delph
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Yep. It’s long since been in the bag. All they got to do is keep her semi-animate until after January. The trick will be how to let her dodge the debates without appearing weak to her worshippers.

JoanOfArgghh!
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What’s the over/under for the banking system completely collapsing before Hillary?

Fuel Filter
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Brandon Smith (BTW, really good writer…opinions and explanations in a clear, concise manner) has been writing about the coming banking collapse for a while now. He posits that TPTB are going to be quite happy if Trump wins. Then they and the Left/Progs can impugn the collapsing economies all on him. But if/when, for example, the EBT/welfare structures go south there *will* be open bloodletting in the streets by the Blacks. I, for one, would welcome that because the armed White populace would gladly put it down and simply allow the big cites to burn and a massive political retrenchment… Read more »
BillH
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T’weren’t just the 101st going into Oxford. I flew two planeloads of 82nd Airborne into Jackson that night, and I had a lot of company.

Striver
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How did they present the mission to the troops, Bill?

Fuel Filter
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Makes no difference whatsoever. Solders follow orders. Even “illegal” ones.

That’s one of the things that scares me.

Doug
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It is what is very rotten with the whole set up that is what you have to be concerned with. The set up being, there was always TINVOWOOT, (There Is No Voting Our way Out Of This), to begin with, if that was not true, anybody dropping out would not be an existential political event, to begin with. The whole charade is predicated on the fig leaf of the appearance of choice, that giving just the appearance of choice made it possible to run a charade, where the outcome was ordained, where just enough of vote rigging and gerrymander allowed… Read more »
LetsPlay
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Based on my observations, we are already 80% of the way there. A formal declaration of martial law only makes it “official” and puts troops on the streets. What happens next is the big question. “Do not go gentle into that good night …” – Dylan Thomas

Doug
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That is just it like you say. They have their dicks, or is vagina’s, caught in a ringer. They will have to destroy whatever forlorn beat up fig of legitimacy that remains to salvage this debacle. Regardless, the deplorable’s will be thrown under the bus, you can count on it. Yet they have another problem, it is the double standard of crisis of legitimacy, the ancient Chinese mandate of heaven conundrum. What they destroy, the wreckage of a constitutional republic, has to itself be destroyed, if freedom is to evolve to it’s next level in it’s evolution. The idea of… Read more »
Samuel Adams
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The “creepy feeling” meter needle is stuck in red right now. Am neither superstitious or a follower of conspiracy cults. But did train originally as a historian and do not like the way a plethora of seeming unconnected events are lining up. This is just another one in the pattern.

Member

That HRC is unfit to be president can no longer be doubted by any reasonable individual, but there is no shortage of the unreasonable, so the issue remains. If her health fails and there is a “stay” put on the electoral process, sham though it may be, any chance of reasonable debate will evaporate; pitchfork time will have come, and if it comes and goes, so goes the last semblance of the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Notsothoreau
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You haven’t dealt with many of the Hillary faithful, have you? To them, this is still a bunch of unproven attacks on her with no basis in fact. It’s always amazing to see the Leftie thought process.

Old Codger
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“It’s always amazing to see the Leftie feel process.”
FIFY! There is no thought involved for Lefties.

Gotta admit that body double they trotted out was good, but not entirely convincing, especially since she was too spry for someone who was close to being a corpse a couple hours earlier and the double’s hips and thighs, though wide, were not “fat-wide” like the Hill thing’s, if you catch my drift. Look again. Also note the double was not surrounded by SS agents as the Hill thing has to be, by their strict SS policies.

Doug
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That’s the understatement comment of the year right there.

Mark Matis
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If any of these DO play out, it will be a bad time to be “Law Enforcement”. Especially in Brevard County, Florida.

As far as I am concerned, pig hunting season will officially be open.

LetsPlay
Member

I’m not so sure. I would tend to let both police and military ranks separate and/or clean house as I do not believe most are willing to serve a corrupt government. Their leaders might be and they should be the first to go, but the regular joes could be real useful if allowed to join in. Not all are sell-outs. Bureaucrats are another matter.

meema
Member

There’s a caveat though – there are already foreign troops here all over the place. Russian and Chinese for sure. There are at least two camps in Georgia, the kind with barbed wire on the top of the fence, manned by Arabs. The great unknown is whether or not or how many police will side with the people instead of hedging their bets and aligning with the gov? Not too many defectors in 1938 Germany. All one has to do is look at history to make predictions about human nature.

meema
Member

Let me make myself clear here – I support the men and women who put their lives down on the line every day. I have a nephew who is a cop in Ferguson and I can tell you many prayers went up for those brave souls on the front line of manufactured war.

On the other hand I am quite realistic about human nature and counting on the majority to side with rebels is not a good bet.

Mark Matis
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“Law Enforcement” in this country has been serving a corrupt government for YEARS. They consistently do WHATEVER they are told, as long as that paycheck keeps comin’ in. And the Elite stand behind their Blue Wall and laugh. I would merely remind you that every weapon provided to the cartels was a separate felony. Best estimate is that there were TWENTY-FIVE HUNDRED weapons moved. NOT ONE of those responsible was touched. Furthermore, Comey very clearly spelled out MULTIPLE felonies committed by Clinton in the e-mail treason. INTENT was not required for those to be felonies. Yet she will NOT be… Read more »
elmer
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whaddya mean it WILL be a bad time to be “Law Enforcement”? IT IS a bad time to be law enforcement, as Obummer, the Klinton Krime Family and the dems have just proven. We have NO FBI and we have NO AG – Killery Billary Rotten Klinton – you know, the one who was named for Mt. Everest and helped her father build the log cabin in which she was born – is above the law. The whole rotten Klinton Krime Family is above the law. And they find pigfuckers to do their dirty work for them. Cheryl Mills, Huma… Read more »
Adam
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“Bernie Sanders would be the obvious option, but that would mean certain defeat to Donald Trump, the nightmare scenario for both parties.” Why is Bernie Sanders the obvious option? And what does option mean in this context? And why would that mean certain defeat to Donald Trump? And what exactly does the author mean that this is the nightmare scenario for both parties? This whole column smacks of little more than desperation and BS.

Member

Hilary has pneumonia. Pneumonia can kill you, especially if you’re old. I don’t think it could be plausibly argued that if she were to die or drop out because of illness, it would be a momentous event. This therefore seems like realistic analysis to me. Here is the definition of option from my dictionary: a thing that is or may be chosen. Unless you’re talking about stock options, or Blackstone’s definition, it means pretty much the same in any context.

JohnTyler
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Well if the US Congress must intervene somehow in the event that the normal election process gets discombobulated, you can bet your house, car, your IRA, 401K and your entire family that the Republicans will totally make the wrong decisions and literally hand over the election to whomever the dems choose.

As good as the dems are at F’ing over this nation and the citizenry, they could not have done it without the help of the republicans.

And the republican leadership is still flummoxed and clueless that THE DONALD won the nomination.
What morons.

Doug
Guest

Didn’t the Republicans already do that?

YIH
Guest

Over at Vox Day’s: https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/09/a-dubious-internist.html
I suggested a ”Weekend at Bernie’s” scenario; Dead, but for the purposes of the election, treated as though still alive. Assuming she beats Trump in the popular vote, the Electoral College ratifies it, then on inauguration day Tim Kaine is sworn in as if Hillary dropped dead with her burning hand still on the Bible.

Notsothoreau
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Let’s look at it another way. It looks like the financial bubble is about to pop again. The elites may decide it would be better for that to happen under a Republican administration. They hang back for four years then ride in to rescue the economy. It would let them focus on the down ticket races too.

John the River
Member

As I said earlier, when do I exchange my “Hillary for Prison 2016” T-shirt for “Hillary for the Prison Hospital 2016” T-shirt?

And I think it’s time to start forming the militias.

Gerard Van der Leun
Member

“A governor like Kasich or even Jeb Bush could be installed as president.” If so, no matter how high the inventories on that day there will not be a deer rifle round left on the shelves by the end of the week.

Heisenberg
Guest

The Unthinkable becomes the routine in an instant. What’s needed is the Actor and the Moment. He’s in place…waiting to formally end the Republic.

Doug
Guest

Didn’t that already happen in 2008?

UKer
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I am astonished how little the American mainstream media cares about the fate of the United States. The issues surrounding the election of arguably the most powerful person in the world have as far as I can see from the damper side of the Atlantic, barely been examined. The collective MSM act of sweeping any relevant questions under the carpet means these people don’t regard the future of their profession, their employers or even their own well-being of being of any importance. perhaps all the journalists and commentators and pundits in the States have some private agreement that when the… Read more »
Doug
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How little the mainstream media cares?
Buddy, they have been complicit and an integral component in the fate of the USofA.

Old Codger
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Maybe its because the CIA used all of its ill-gotten drug gains to buy up the MSM outlets???

Member

The most depressing thing I’ve ever read on here, Zman. Heh. i cannot imagine what any of the above would portend, but if the elites steal this from Trump somehow, well…. it will be girding time… and who has time for that?

Doug
Guest

Is it right others will gird their loins so others can sit back?
Isn’t that how we ended up in the mess this nation is in to begin with?
Just asking.

edwhy
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Seems more like popular elections in Turkmenistan.

johnmc
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“Congress does not have the power to dictate when people vote.” Actually they do — “The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators. You then in the same graph — “Congress could work with the states to postpone the election to December 3 in order to sort things out.” Reality is so long as Congress were to pass a law for postponement prior to… Read more »
Member

I’ve thought for years that this country would have a second revolution, albeit a bloodless one. The last couple of years have convinced me that it will not be bloodless. Your option about party insiders putting one of theirs into the White House would almost certainly lead to that end.

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