Tribal Policing

Allegedly, an old borscht belt gag was for the straight man to describe some terrible calamity and then the comic would ask, “Yes, but is it good for the Jews?” It is a question that Jews claim was common in the early 20th century. Whether or not that is true is impossible to pin down, but the sentence does return a lot of good search results, including a few books and long form articles. It fits into the self-deprecating humor popular with American Jews. It’s a form of “owning the insult” common with ethnics 100 years ago.

Like all stereotypes, this one has some truth to it. Jews in the first half of the 20th century invested heavily in policing their ranks and inculcating this sort of attitude, with regards to politics and society. To a lesser degree, Italians, Irish, Poles and other immigrant groups did the same thing. They formed ethnic societies, had their own newspapers, encouraged the better qualities among their people and so forth. Improvement societies were not passive, either. Ethnic leaders were not afraid to shame those who did not toe the line.

Today, the only ethnic solidarity we see is with blacks and Muslims. The former is the old fashioned sort common in the last century. Blacks shamelessly vote their skin in elections and make demands based on group solidarity. Muslims seem to be following a similar route, embracing the grievance culture in order to extort benefits from society. Otherwise, the overt and positive ethnic solidarity, even among Hispanics, is not a popular thing and in the case of whites, one of the few mortal sins of our age.

It is assumed that ethnic or racial solidarity is good for struggling minorities, terrible for majorities and of no use to successful minorities. Black solidarity is encouraged, while white solidarity is forbidden. Asian solidarity is never considered, because Asians have no trouble assimilating and succeeding in modern America. Jewish solidarity, of course, is a dangerous subject. The surest way to get hurled into the void is to be thought of as something less than enthusiastic for the Jews. It’s pretty close to a forbidden subject.

Some on the alt-right see this as proof of a conspiracy by the Tribe to take over society and rule from their secret lair in Manhattan. Whether or not 2% of the population should be in charge of a big country like America is a topic worth debating, but some of what goes on with the alt-right, however, makes it sound like Jews are super-intelligent space aliens sent to enslave the goyim. Magic Jew Theory is just a nutty as Magic Dirt Theory. Even so, placing Jews outside the realm of legitimate debate is probably not good for the Jews.

The reason, is it makes self-policing nearly impossible. It is impossible to not notice that when the NeverTrump clown car comes to a stop, the guys who pile out are wearing beanies. The whole NeverTrump thing looked like a Chinese restaurant on Christmas, because all of the outspoken members were obviously Jewish. People notice these things, no matter how much you scream at them about the sin of noticing. When guys like Bret Stephens write things like this, it’s as if he is trying to elicit The Backlash™.

Fifty years ago, Jewish leaders would have put the brakes on their members going in for the sort of stuff we see from the neocons. We know this because the guys who invented neoconnery fifty year ago, explicitly rejected this stuff. Communism was bad for the Jews and a strong and free America was good for the Jews, so they signed onto Buckley’s thing and started voting Republican. In other words, worrying about what was good for the Jews resulted in Jews policing their ranks, which was good for the Jews.

Put another way, David Horowitz was probably onto something when he called out Bill Kristol as a “renegade Jew.” The final paragraph of that piece is an explicit appeal to ethnic solidarity in the service of policing the ranks. Horowitz got a lot of grief over it, but he was probably right. Trump is good for the Jews, but reigning in suicidal crackpots is even better for the Jews. The worst possible thing that could happen to Jews in America is if the other 98% think the Jews are not on “our side.”

The predictable retort to this is “How come no one ever says this about the Finns or the Irish? There are people opposed to Trump and the New Right who are not Jewish.” If the NeverTrump cult was 90% Irish, people would notice that too, but it is not and further, the Irish are not wildly over-represented in the ruling class. There is simply no getting around the fact that Jews are unique among American ethnic groups in that they have come to dominate parts of the ruling class and punch way above their weight in others.

There’s little doubt that the culture is shifting with regards to the role of Jews in America and how to discuss it. The alt-right has a lot of well known anti-Semites and the whole Nazi meme thing. The people doing the most to enable and encourage this are the cosmopolitan crackpots like Bret Stephens. They are the anti-Semites best friend as they go out of their way to prove all of their claims. If you were trying to stir up hostility to Jews, you could do a lot worse than having Bret Stephens as your poster boy.

It is not just the Right, which has always been accused of harboring impure thoughts about the Chosen People. The Left are increasingly hostile to Jewish interests. When a Jewish professor is pilloried for not groveling to blacks on his campus, it means that identity politics on the Left will exclude Jews. Democrats are shamelessly hostile to Israel and they are actively courting Muslim voters, even going so far as to try and put Keith Ellison in as chair of their party. The result of this is inevitable.

Not being a member of the Tribe, it is hard to know if a return of self-policing is possible or desirable by those in the Tribe. Jews may simply be facing a different sort of ethnic decay that ended Irish and Italian solidarity. Even so, Jews are different. Unlike other ethnic groups, Jews are wildly over represented in the ruling classes. That means they will inevitably be subject to greater scrutiny. There’s also the natural phenomenon of people mocking and resenting their betters. Exactly no one loves their boss.

It’s why ruling classes have always tried to hold themselves to higher standards. It has always been understood that the trade-off for power and status is scrutiny and public judgement. It also meant public punishment for those who failed to live up to the elevated standards. Lucius Junius Brutus, founder of the Roman Republic, stood stoically as his two sons were executed for treason in the Tarquinian conspiracy. That is very high price to pay for power, but it is what is required of those who get to rule over us.

The example of Brutus is not simply that sacrifice, often terrible sacrifice, is the price of power. It’s that sacrifice in support of the culture, in support of the common beliefs of the people, is the price of power. The unwritten contract between the rulers and the ruled is that the rulers will do what is required to uphold the cultural structures that define the people, as they are the foundation upon which the elite stand. Brutus could not be Brutus, unless he and his blood were subject to the rules of the Republic.

America has been more than good for the Jews. It has been the greatest place, in the history of man, for the Chosen People. So good, in fact, that the country deserves a place next to Cyrus the Great in the pantheon of non-Jewish heroes of the Jewish people. As a result, Jews have a special obligation to the country. Like ruling elites everywhere, in all times, they have a duty to defend the culture that is the foundation of their status. That means sacrifice. A little self-policing is not too much to ask. It would be good for the Jews.

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Roulf
Roulf
7 years ago

When Trump’s campaign HQ opened in my state I walked in and volunteered. I had never done campaign work and didn’t know what to expect. The only person in the building was an old Jewish guy running the office. He and I were all Trump had those first few weeks and we spent hours on the phone calling people, helping them get registered to vote and encouraging other supporters who came in. Across town Bush, Cruz and Rubio had paid GOP staff members and canvassers drumming up support. One day the state Republican co-chair who was a Jewish Cruz supporter… Read more »

Sam J.
Sam J.
Reply to  Roulf
7 years ago

“…When Trump’s campaign HQ opened in my state I walked in and volunteered. I had never done campaign work and didn’t know what to expect. The only person in the building was an old Jewish guy running the office…”

Somebody had to spy on them and see what Trump was up to.

Hypercacher
Hypercacher
7 years ago

I am a long-time reader, born outside of America, but a legal immigrant. I was sent here for work and have no intention of going back to my birth country in Western Europe. I have settled outside of the coasts, where the “dirt people” reside, but still in a large city. I am also an observant Jew (though it is difficult to do so in the south, my faith remains important). I notice a few things 1) American Jews are more leftist than any other nation. It’s the unthinking, knee-jerk sort that is a stereotype of Jews, but in reality,… Read more »

james wilson
james wilson
Reply to  Hypercacher
7 years ago

Thanks for that. I was about to say in a comment of my own in response to Zman,’s fine post ,that I question that there is anybody of note left in the American branch of the Tribe to police itself.

Rod Horner
Rod Horner
Reply to  james wilson
7 years ago

That’s the notable strength of the lefty elite tribe members. They understand as well as anyone else that you cannot effectively punish a tribal group individually. They’ll simply form up in solidarity to prevent it, network around it, or support the individual until the trouble passes, softening the blow immensely. Therefor it’s easy for them to trot out the meme of collective guilt and punishment. They know it works, elites use it against the dirt whites all the time, and they simultaneously know that if it’s used against them it can be an effective fulcrum to rally ersatz neutral Jews… Read more »

Tekton
Tekton
Reply to  Hypercacher
7 years ago

Hypercacher, As a non-native American Jew, it is understandable that you would notice such (apparent) incongruities within your religion… At least the American brand of it. Thus, you are forgiven—but foolishly naïve. I might assume that by “Jew” you mean you are an ethnic Jew, and not merely one of some other generic race who practices Talmudic Judaism. I might assume wrongly, however—you may correct me. If you are ethnically a Jew, then I’m a bit confused at your surprise, as the pattern you notice is entirely historically typical of racial “Jews”—wherever and whenever they’ve lived upon the face of… Read more »

Hypercacher
Hypercacher
Reply to  Tekton
7 years ago

You will probably say that I am a descdent of the Kahzar, for I am Ashkenazi, from Europe. I do not look Anglo-Saxon, nor do I look like the Scholomo Schekelberg memes.

Each night before sleep I reaffirm my faith in the One G-D of Israel. But in the morning when I awaken, I am part of One Nation Under G-D, and I will stand shoulder to shoulder with you to keep it that way.

Member
Reply to  Hypercacher
7 years ago

Why did you not go to Israel?

Joey Junger
Joey Junger
7 years ago

The problem with Jews isn’t that they are over-represented in the ruling elite, but they are over-represented in the bust-out/extraction faction of the elite. Just looking at the junk bond fiasco in the 80s, the main perpetrators were Ivan Boesky, Dennis Levine, and Michael Milken. These guys didn’t want to join the WASP club; they were actively hostile to the Boston Brahman caste and wrecked lives and trust permanently (a lot of young Jewish malefactors tangential to the high-yield scandal were just cutting their teeth at Lehman and Goldman Sachs in the 80s and would go on to almost destroy… Read more »

Rod Horner
Rod Horner
7 years ago

I think you’d be well served reading some of Kevin MacDonald’s work on the subject of Jewish Evolutionary Psychology. The conspiracy bogeyman is just a means of describing or, more often, discrediting the depiction of a naturally occurring phenomenon in a heavily ethnocentric and long-time cosmopolitan group. Political power is one of their fortes because they would not have survived as an urbanized diaspora without that capacity to court the elites and operate as middle-men on their behalf. The problem of modernity is that Jews have increasingly become an elite unto themselves and have shown that they are not entirely… Read more »

Karl Horst
Karl Horst
Reply to  thezman
7 years ago

“Israel without a strong US will be wiped out.” I wouldn’t bet on that. As you say, “they punch above their weight” and Israel has always managed to do just that. From using German Me-109’s smuggled out of Czechoslovakia to create their first air force, to using (then) antiquated Sherman tanks in the Six-Day and Yom Kippur Wars.

A more accurate statement would be “Europe without a strong US will be wiped out.” That I would not debate.

kokor hekkus
kokor hekkus
Reply to  Karl Horst
7 years ago

Though when and if the moslems get control of France or the UK, which have thermonuclear weapons, Israel will be staring at the abyss….

Member
Reply to  kokor hekkus
7 years ago

Oh, I suspect the “preemptive strike” doctrine would come into play well before the abyss came in sight.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Karl Horst
7 years ago

I think that the number of democracies doing business with Israel would be vanishingly small without the American boot on their throat.

james wilson
james wilson
Reply to  Karl Horst
7 years ago

My theory, shared by no one, is that Israel would be exponentially more formidable the fewer the friends they had.

kokor hekkus
kokor hekkus
Reply to  thezman
7 years ago

China’s immigration policy is refreshingly simple. Loyal Han Chinese, whatever their country of birth, and absolutely no one else….

Member
Reply to  thezman
7 years ago

Look into Plan Andinia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andinia_Plan), a conspiracy theory of course, but one that has traction down here. A few months ago I was in the Amazon region of Perú along with a group of Israeli soldiers who’d recently completed their tour of duty. We had some very interesting conversations (in English and Spanish both) and they seemed astounded that an old non-Jewish guy was so conversant on history and contemporary politics. Two of them asked if I weren’t actually Jewish, a question I’ve been hearing since secondary school long, long ago, almost always from folks who have no idea how… Read more »

Rod Horner
Rod Horner
Reply to  thezman
7 years ago

I’d just point out that the “American success,” the Neocons were promoting wasn’t the same kind that Americans of the same era were interested in. Neocons wanted a controlling interest in right-wing politics in order to suppress the Old RIght (eg. Buchanan), who were at odds with liberalism, interventionism, and so forth. So, with that in mind, I think it would be fair to say the Neocons too were just doing what was “good for the Jews,” as well. This is why I suggested above that, I find it dubious that Jews have historically policed their own in order to… Read more »

Zorost
Zorost
Reply to  thezman
6 years ago

Neocons don’t give a shit about America. Their goal isn’t to help America, but to influence the government when the Right is in charge so as to benefit Israel. Usually by going to war with some regional threat, costing us trillions of $$ and thousands of lives.

Zorost
Zorost
Reply to  Zorost
6 years ago

“will never embrace Jews”

No culture has ever embraced jews except post-MSM Western nations. Jews don’t operate by making friends, they operate by making themselves useful to the elites especially as a means to funnel wealth from the non-elites to the elites (taking a good share of course.) Our love of jews & israel is only due to constant programming from a media monopoly. It isn’t a coincidence that the breakdown of that monopoly due to technology is happening at the same time as rising anti-semitism. To know them is to hate them.

kokor hekkus
kokor hekkus
Reply to  Rod Horner
7 years ago

It can hardly be disputed that Jews have gone from contributing to parasitizing Western society in the last 50 years, particularly by laying eggs in the form of mass 3d world immigration that is destroying the West.

A.T. Tapman (Merica)
A.T. Tapman (Merica)
Member
Reply to  Rod Horner
7 years ago

Some unironically say “Hitler did nothing wrong” what with the 6 gorillion I never seriously considered this. I think it is time for reconsideration.

Guest
Guest
7 years ago

“It’s why ruling classes have always tried to hold themselves to higher standards. It has always been understood that the trade-off for power and status is scrutiny and public judgement. It also meant public punishment for those who failed to live up to the elevated standards. Lucius Junius Brutus, founder of the Roman Republic, stood stoically as his two sons were executed for treason in the Tarquinian conspiracy. That is very high price to pay for power, but it is what is required of those who get to rule over us.” This may have been true 50-100 years ago. No… Read more »

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  Guest
7 years ago

Nailed it re. Jamie Gorelick. When I saw that she was _on_ the 9/11 Commission instead of in the dock in front of it, I knew the fix was in. I took it then that the Clinton’s had conned the Bush Folk using false promises of national unity (that they broke just as soon as it was convenient in ’04).

Alternatively, there was the Saudi $$$ aspect as a not mutually exclusive explanation. But, Cloud Solidarity fits the fact pattern too.

Nori
Nori
Reply to  Guest
7 years ago

Ms Gorelick is currently a director at Amazon.com. She also served as legal advisor to Jared Kushner on his role at the White House. In Cloud People World,she’s one of the Cloudiest. Modern day Madame Lafarge.

Teapartydoc
Member
7 years ago

Big question, big problem. Things are a bit easier for us now because they are more identifiable and traceable with the internet, and we can communicate with each other, which balances the scale a bit with their more closely held family group. I think they see all of this and it scares them. The ability to root from country to country and slip in between parties in order to skim shekels away from those who make and those who consume, lending to both at interest and then slinking off with bags of gold is being lost. This has something to… Read more »

Jak Black
Jak Black
7 years ago

“The Left are increasingly hostile to Jewish interests”

Leftist Jews I know are in complete denial that this is so.

Charlie_U
Charlie_U
Reply to  Jak Black
7 years ago

A few months ago, a young English lad was sent down for using Daily Stormer-ish language to troll and threaten a left-wing Jewish politician. One fact that was largely ignored, of course, was that this politician, Luciana Berger, is a member of the Labour party, who are totally dependent on the Muslim vote, and the Mohammedan brigade tend, as a rule of thumb, not to have much affection for Jews. And that’s putting it mildly. The coalition of the fringes on these isles, then, appears to be just as fragile as it is in the US (and elsewhere), and quite… Read more »

Doug
Doug
7 years ago

There is well earned precedent in history, not to mention glaring current history, for the jews to be looked at with suspicion by those of us who have a rather strong aversion to the forms marxism. I’m talking about jews who have made no bones about the dissolution of my country here, America, who are prominent figures in the establishment of cultural marxism. Quite an accomplishment in it’s own right, its ideology notwithstanding. So how does one not have a sense that under the circumstances and for what is at stake here, do you not question Jews as a tribe,… Read more »

Doug
Doug
Reply to  Doug
7 years ago

PS,
I’m part of a tribe called the dirt people. I made this agitprop in honor of the culture I was born and raised in. It means everything to me. This is serious shit. It is to millions of us dirt people. Trump is a fair warning if he is anything. If “they” don’t get the message, the next message won’t be a warning.

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Member
Reply to  Doug
7 years ago

My grandfather was a “dirt person” who just happened to be a fast-on-his-feet math whiz with brass balls, so he ended up partnering with a Jewish financier and made it possible for me to have a fine education, ascendance into “elite” (I HATE that word!) social status and a comfortable life. Nevertheless, I identify with “dirt” folks and am determined that my heirs will do so as well. That’s why we left the USA, although we wish it the very best in draining the swamp for real, once and for all.

Sam J.
Sam J.
7 years ago

“…Jews are super-intelligent space aliens sent to enslave the goyim. Magic Jew Theory is just a nutty as Magic Dirt Theory…” There’s nothing magic about the Jews. The Jews are a tribe of psychopaths. Maybe not all but a large proportion. The way they control the country is relatively simple. 1. They control the FED which funnels finance into Jewish hands.(bank bail out! We’re talking anywhere from $16 Trillion to double that or higher) 2. With the cash they buy businesses and politicians. 3. They own the press. 4. They are blackmailing our Representatives with kiddie fucking. 5. They have… Read more »

kokor hekkus
kokor hekkus
7 years ago

A couple of points. Asians are genetically programmed to comply with authority due to millennia of harsh punishment for any variance. So they don’t cause trouble…But they don’t entirely assimilate…Asians I know who have been in the US for 60 years will still speak Chinese with other Chinese right in front of you, when the conversation started in English.And they know that we think it is rude. Jews, on the other hand, are programmed to emulate native Americans until they get some power, and then they revert to ethnicity and their begin undermining the native society. I had many Jewish… Read more »

TomA
TomA
7 years ago

American Jews are also schizophrenic in regard to Israel. Half of them work the back channels of US government in order to support and sustain the Jewish State, while the other half actively works to undermine Jewish-Israeli identity and subvert the hard choices that keep them safe in their Mideast outpost. And like black people, they vote habitually and reflexively Democrat, regardless of how badly they are treated by its leadership. Jews are not immune from the same disease that is destroying the rest of the species.

Brooklyn
Brooklyn
7 years ago

“Fifty years ago, Jewish leaders would have put the brakes on their members going in for the sort of stuff we see from the neocons.” The key thing here is the fifty years ago part. The community back then policed itself because it was a cohesive community where shaming could really do something. The Jews in America aren’t completely atomized but outside of Orthodox circles (where that community shaming mechanism still functions) its a community that is falling apart. If community policing still worked well, intermarriage rates wouldn’t be between 60-70%; an entity like J-Street would never have gotten traction… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Brooklyn
7 years ago

I think you are on to something here. The Jewish elite was Jewish, first and foremost, and the rest came from that. Now the broader elite has self-segregated, and includes a very high proportion of Jews. But the Jewish elite itself is disconnecting from its Jewish roots. The new broader elite is taking its place. The Jewish segment is turning its back on its Jewish background both to assume the protective color of non-Jew, and also because the tribal connections have been completely supplanted by the elitest connections. Beyond that, the Jewish elite want nothing to do with Israel or… Read more »

Hypercacher
Hypercacher
Reply to  Dutch
7 years ago

They are not Jewish, they are part of the globalist tribe who happen to share some common ancestry with the Ashkenazi tribe. The only thing they know is Tikkun Olam – that is NOT Judaism.

james wilson
james wilson
Reply to  Hypercacher
7 years ago

There is no mere happenstance connection between Ashkenazi and atheist Ashkenazi Jews. Even religious Jews have an irresistible urge to perfect the world once they mix in it.

Optingout
Optingout
Reply to  Hypercacher
7 years ago

Sorry, but that’s the standard line every time and every place there is any criticism of the cadre of liberal Jews – “They’re not really Jewish.” That game of “it’s a religion!” or “No, it’s a race!” is one most Americans simply won’t play any longer. Regardless of levels of religious observance or obeisance toward Israel, they all regard themselves as culturally Jewish, and their politics heavily reflect that.

YIH
YIH
7 years ago

A little old but…comment image
And they call that ”an anti-Semitic stereotype”.
Another anti-Semitic stereotype is that water is wet.

Tekton
Tekton
Reply to  YIH
7 years ago

Wait a minute…I think I see a pattern here.

Sam J.
Sam J.
7 years ago

“…As a result, Jews have a special obligation to the country. Like ruling elites everywhere, in all times, they have a duty to defend the culture that is the foundation of their status. That means sacrifice…”

You think the people that attacked us on 9-11 have the insight to rein themselves in? I doubt it. They can’t control their psychopaths that well. They also believe that no matter what they will prevail. Psychopaths are like that. They will burn this country to the ground. It’s us or them.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Sam J.
7 years ago

I posted a comment on Mike Shedlock’s site pointing out that the last thirty years of Askenaki debt lovers at the Fed have been an absolute disaster for the productive and stunningly enriching for the elite.
I suggested it might be time to have a debt eschewing Muslim instead,

My comment was, of course, deleted.

One my almost think Shedlock was one of the Chosen, oh, right,,,,,

Ryan T
Ryan T
7 years ago

I don’t know about all this business but what i do know is that as an Anglo I’m sick of hearing from and about the Tribe and the Muslims.

Mr. Frosty
Mr. Frosty
7 years ago

Even if the Jews aren’t literally the “Synagogue of Satan,” they might as well be. Their innate behaviour gives them undeserved wealth and power based on lies and deception. They never get to keep this wealth because it is taken directly from another group who eventually violently resist them. Like Sisyphus and his boulder, every time the Jew sees total victory within reach, he loses everything and has to start over again.

They are a cursed people, if not spiritually, then psychologically, socially and aesthetically cursed.

David Wright
Member
7 years ago

Nice little piece here which needs to be seen heavily outside our circle.
Nonetheless, it will be of no use to all the mentioned ingrates out there.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  David Wright
7 years ago

Nice little piece you’ve got here. It’d be a shame if anything happened to it.

Worldly Wiseman
Worldly Wiseman
7 years ago

“If not Israel, what does fire up Jewish-Americans? In short, the Jewish precept of tikkun olam (“repairing the world”), construed by modern mainstream denominations to mean “social justice.” This isn’t surprising, given American Jewry’s perennial penchant for liberalism.

The 1920 presidential election was the only contest for the White House in recorded history in which the Republican candidate bested the Democratic candidate among Jewish voters. And that was because the socialist candidate, Eugene V. Debs, trounced the Democratic candidate, Ohio governor James M. Cox, capturing 38 percent of the Jewish electorate to 19 percent. ”

https://www.city-journal.org/html/democratic-party-prayer-14816.html

Hypercacher
Hypercacher
Reply to  Worldly Wiseman
7 years ago

This is interesting in its prominence in America.

I believe (but have yet to confirm) that the boyfriend of Marine Le Pen is Jewish, and Sarkozy too. In the UK, Baron Howard led the Tories. These may be the Buckley Right for Zman readers, but my point is that in countries outside America, this Marxist connection seems diminished enough that Jews will publicly associate with right parties.

And who does GOP have? Eric Cantor?

Worldly Wiseman
Worldly Wiseman
Reply to  Hypercacher
7 years ago

saul alinsky.

james wilson
james wilson
Reply to  Hypercacher
7 years ago

Conservative inc is run by neocons, Weakly Standard and National Review types. The sugar daddies are Koch and Adelson types. Party roots are even less deep than geographical roots.

Optingout
Optingout
Reply to  Hypercacher
7 years ago

You neglect to mention the Millibands in the UK, who’ve spat on the nation that took them in. Not to mention all the leftist Jewish journalists in France . . . and Sweden . . . and South Africa . . . oh, so sorry, they all left after their ardently desired end to apartheid occurred and now they’re all in America and Canada and Australia. And despite your assertion that Jews outside of America better assimilate and/or participate on both sides of the political aisle, they still all push for endless immigration and eventual replacement of native White stock.… Read more »

Anna
Anna
7 years ago

There are 3 relatively large groups of American Jews who are fervently pro Trump (about 80% of them are): religious American Jews; 1st generation Russian immigrants that I am a part of (they are mostly not religious) and Iranian Jews (who are mostly religious). These groups are also strongly pro Israel. Most of lefty American Jews, who are Never Trumpers, are against Israeli policies and thus factually against Israel. Israeli society recognizes it more and more and getting ready for a divorce from American Jewish elites. As an example, recent article by Caroline Glick of Jerusalem Post calls for treating… Read more »

Optingout
Optingout
Reply to  Anna
7 years ago

Their support for Trump, however, is predicated on his policies towards Israel, not his immigration and other policies specifically benefiting America. And a large contingent of religious Jews are the Hasids, who vote for whoever their rebbe tells them to vote for, and that depends on who’s good for their continued social and fiscal parasitism in the U.S.

Epaminondas
Member
7 years ago

If there are any errors or half-truths in this article, please inform me. Otherwise, it explains much about the tribe…

http://dailywesterner.com/news/2017-05-31/who-opened-the-borders/

Member
7 years ago

I highly recommend the noel El Kahal-Oro by Hugo Wast for any of you who read Spanish. Interesting (and old) take on the JQ in South America. It’s been pretty well suppressed, of course, but it can be found. As far as I know, there’s no English translation.

Severian
7 years ago

“How come no one ever says this about the Finns or the Irish?” Because being “Irish-American” means watching Notre Dame football. Being “Jewish-American” means sending your son to fight in the Israeli Defense Force, like noted “conservative” David Brooks did. Although that’s one solution to America’s ethnic strife — universal conscription. It’s hard to believe Magic Jew Theory when you’re in boot camp together, and as a bonus, it’s hard to flaunt your Harvard connections when you’re down in the motor pool with some hick with a sixth-grade education. Bring back the draft!

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  Severian
7 years ago

I realize that your probably tongue-in-cheek here, but there are numerous problems with this idea. To begin with, it would be very costly, both economically and socially Many WWII stories and movies push the social class and ethnic leveling effect of mass conscription, giving it a patina of virtue. But these are all wartime propaganda and must be viewed accordingly. Suffice it to say that historically, unless a crusade was underway such as the WW’s were made out to be, mass conscription was only politically acceptable when not really needed. I.e., there was little real danger of mass casualties. But… Read more »

Severian
Reply to  Al from da Nort
7 years ago

I see what you mean, and yeah, I was being somewhat tongue-in-cheek. But not entirely. My proposed draft law is: Unless you actually are the sole breadwinner for a spouse and at least one child under the age of 15, no exceptions, period. Your Gender Studies degree with just have to wait a few years, Snowflake. And I do mean *everybody* — draft women, gays, and trannies straight into the infantry. You’ve been through boot; don’t you think that’d straighten them out? 🙂 It’ll never happen, but just proposing it would be hilarious — let’s hear the anti-capitalist, anti-rayciss, anti-homophobia… Read more »

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  Severian
7 years ago

I have to admit that I enjoyed that mental picture too. But with ‘everybody’ drafted we’re talking about ginormous numbers of inductees. In 2016 there were roughly 2.2 million males and 2.1 million females turning 18.* That’s the population of the entire Philadelphia urban area or about 1/2 NY City_! So for a two-year draft, you’d have to replicate NY City to house all of them, but just not in a single place. Now, I know that there’s a lot of empty land yet in the US, just not in agreeable places, but building and staffing this infrastructure would be… Read more »

Teapartydoc
Member
Reply to  Al from da Nort
7 years ago

Blacks were actually underrepresented in the Vietnam era military, and were below population percentage in casualties, too.

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  Teapartydoc
7 years ago

More the case for White working class guys. But to a ‘community organizer’ data mean little. The agitation was real enough, regardless. And it was plausible: Blacks _were_ coming back in steel boxes to a more concentrated population, making it look true enough.

james wilson
james wilson
Reply to  Teapartydoc
7 years ago

An IQ of 75 bags a deferment even when the Army has a pressing need of bodies.

Zeroh Tollrants
Zeroh Tollrants
Reply to  Severian
7 years ago

If there’s gonna be a draft in this country, dammit, it’s gonna be an all gay, tranny, gender queer & female pool that’s drawn from, if I get my way. I want to see the Island of Misfit Toys forced to fight for their rights, with weapons.
Yes, before anyone asks, I am a woman & yes, I am a sadist. But, I repeat myself.

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  Zeroh Tollrants
7 years ago

I get the sentiment. And, so long as I was in no way responsible for having to try to turn them into effective troops, I might, at least briefly, enjoy some of the sadism. To invoke a prior post on the subject, just like like an evil frat bro during pledge week 😉 But it would be the height of criminal irresponsibility to actually send any such out to perform any dangerous task, much less into combat. I mean, if you actually intend to kill them, just do it straight out, save the time and the money and don’t involve… Read more »

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
Reply to  Zeroh Tollrants
7 years ago

Look up Eddie Izzard’s “1st Battalion Transvestite Brigade” from his “Dress to Kill” comedy act on YouTube. Perfect!

PRCD
PRCD
7 years ago

I hope more Jews read this book: https://www.amazon.com/Fatal-Embrace-Jews-State/dp/0226296652/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499135875&sr=8-1&keywords=fatal+embrace+jews+and+the+state A Jewish family lives down the street from me. Actually, the mother is Jewish and the father is some sort of nominal-mick Catholic who observes the occasional Jewish holiday because his wife wants to. Here is what I’ve observed from my N=1. WWII-era Jews are pretty rock-solid. The Jewish 90-something grandfather wows me with tales of the Pacific theater and killing “Japs.” He goes to synagogue regularly. All the regular attenders of synagogue are old. His kids are liberal and rarely go to synagogue, though they are solid people if liberal. His… Read more »

Garr
Garr
7 years ago

Good essay. Something that seems sort of relevant, although I’m not quite sure how, is that thoughtful anti-Jewists and thoughtful Jews seem to enjoy arguing with each other in blog-comments (e.g. at Jim’s site), as though there’s some kind of background affection in play. Maybe this is a creative tension? Great “individualistic” writers such as Shakespeare and Dickens (everything seen from a personal rather than cultural/social point of view) used to give non-religious Jews and non-Jews (even religious non-Jews, I think) some common ground to stand on and feel as a shared heritage. Now nobody cares about oldish books anymore,… Read more »

Rod Horner
Rod Horner
Reply to  Garr
7 years ago

“thoughtful anti-Jewists and thoughtful Jews seem to enjoy arguing with each other in blog-comments” I think this sort of debate and quasi-comraderi comes from the fact that both groups are working from the same premises. White Nationalism is uniting various ethnic Europeans with a common cultural heritage in the same way Judaism units various ethnic Semites with a common cultural heritage. It’s not a perfect fit and the comparison tends to offend both camps when bluntly stated, but I’ve had more thoughtful conversations with Zionists than whites who weren’t racially aware because the former “gets it,” when it comes to… Read more »

Hypercacher
Hypercacher
Reply to  Rod Horner
7 years ago

I lived in a major city in America upon arriving. I saw many “whites” (at home we do not have such a clear cut definition, just you are a native of our land or you are Muslim or from a former colony, usually both) busying themselves with stupid pursuits like exercises classes, expensive breakfasts and other things you call “lifestyle”. In my town outside the cloud people, yes, there is hunting season and football games, but much social live revolves around church sponsored activities. I see the cloud people do not have this “community” as they might call it, and… Read more »

bilejones
Member
7 years ago

I attended the wedding of a niece (in law) on Saturday. The immaculately clad groom and his men showed up as mutedly as possible on their four Harleys, The bride was stunningly beautiful in the white gown with train and various hand-maidens. The service, the old Church of England one (Episcopalian to you) was conducted quietly and reverently. The two hundred and fifty guests mixed and mingled afterward before the reception, chatting, swapping stories about their own weddings and sharing jokes. A perfect scene of peace and serenity. The darkest skin was the red on the back of my boy’s… Read more »

bilejones
Member
7 years ago

I attended the wedding of a niece (in law) on Saturday. The groom and his men showed up as mutedly as possible on their four Harleys, The bride was stunningly beautiful in the white gown with train and various hand-maidens. The service, the old Church of England one (Episcopalian to you) was conducted quietly and reverently. The two hundred and fifty guests mixed and mingled afterward before the reception, chatting, sharing stories about their own weddings and sharing jokes. The darkest skin was the red on the back of my boy’s neck from his life-guarding shift the day or so… Read more »

badguest
badguest
7 years ago

Regardless, it should never be tolerated so I leaned over and said to the two hens, “One day, their kids will be throwing your kids off a roof.” – I would have paid to see that.

Member
7 years ago

“Chosen People” is a myth. When the Bible refers to Jews, in most cases it is referring to the Jews who have accepted the Messiah … i.e. Christians. We Christians are the Chosen People.

https://www.catholic.com/qa/if-jesus-was-a-jew-why-are-we-catholic

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  TempoNick
7 years ago

Easy, there. Easy.

Michael Lee Shirey
Michael Lee Shirey
7 years ago

Why is there no discussion of ‘Kenite’ infested Israel and the fake Kahzanazi jews in their fake country waiting for their fake messiah? They didn’t just stop at the Israeli border! see: House of Saud. Deception my brothers and sisters.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
7 years ago

When Europe is Muslim, is that when we’ll nuke it? Finally, mission accomplished. You must kill one third of two generations, fathers and sons, and then there is ‘peace.’ WWI Bolshies, WWII Fabians, and next, Semitic overseers and the final death of the Roman Christians. With a global economy of debt bondage.When Europe is Muslim, is that when we’ll nuke it? Finally, mission accomplished. You must kill one third of two generations, fathers and sons, and then there is ‘peace.’ WWI Bolshies, WWII Fabians, and next, Semitic overseers and the final death of the Roman Christians. With a global economy… Read more »

Rabbi High Comma
Rabbi High Comma
7 years ago

“…they have a duty to defend the culture that is the foundation of their status.”

“Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away.”. Benjamin Netanyahu, 2002

Tax Slave
Tax Slave
Reply to  Rabbi High Comma
7 years ago

Phony quote. Now get lost.

RabbiHighComma
RabbiHighComma
Reply to  Tax Slave
7 years ago

Perhaps. “The only statement I care to make about the quote is that it fits in with what is going on. The quote is 15 years old, and the quote has fit the world situation up to this time.”

When did Zman deputize you to thought police the comments TS? Congrats on your new station.

james wilson
james wilson
Reply to  RabbiHighComma
7 years ago

When somebody litters on the commons one can shrug because it isn’t his, or pick it up because it’s the commons. I’ve done both. But it’s still litter. Nobody around here believes Netanyahu is so stupid as to say that even if he believed it. Especially if he believed it. That’s Hillary territory.

Allan
Allan
Reply to  james wilson
7 years ago

james wilson, Netanyahu admitted on Bill Maher’s show that the American military is Israel’s military.

james wilson
james wilson
Reply to  Allan
7 years ago

Language is often like that, a man says what he thinks and you hear what you think.

Allan
Allan
Reply to  james wilson
7 years ago

Jim, you’re littering again.

Tax Slave
Tax Slave
Reply to  RabbiHighComma
7 years ago

Perhaps I should threaten to throw you off a rooftop? Is that more to your liking as a typical leftist? Now get lost.

Nedd Ludd
Nedd Ludd
Reply to  RabbiHighComma
7 years ago

So rather than admit it’s BS, you assert the Dan Rather defense:
“Fake, but accurate.”

Rabbi High Comma
Rabbi High Comma
Reply to  Nedd Ludd
7 years ago

Sweet Boomerposts guys. Or are they (((Boomerposts)))? I sure enjoy being lectured about “muh respectability” by the those who drove the car into the ditch and now want to assert their moral superiority. You’re like the Oathcuckers (the ANTIFA of the right) enforcing the orthodoxy which got us here, while impotently decrying the decay under their watch with a pot belly, bellicosity, and an AR. The causative reasons for the nation’s death are staring you right in the face and you possess the willful blindness of the coward. You refuse throw off the decades of unrelenting (((programming))) because you selfishly… Read more »

Sam J.
Sam J.
Reply to  Rabbi High Comma
7 years ago

…but that’s not who we are. 🙂

Eclectic Esoteric
Eclectic Esoteric
Reply to  Sam J.
7 years ago
bilejones
Member
Reply to  Tax Slave
7 years ago

Yid
Now get lost

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Tax Slave
7 years ago

The US should have glassed the shitty little country after the attack on the Liberty,

Glen Filthie
Glen Filthie
Member
7 years ago

I get what you’re saying, Z-Man. Years ago I would have been one of those that would point the finger at you and call you an anti-Semite. But over the last 15 years I learned that the ‘racists’ were right about a whole bunch of things, and the PC crowd were wrong about a bunch of things too. But lord – we are playing with fire here. We need to start judging people again too. There’s a difference between good ethnics and bad ones and far too many morons aren’t smart enough to make that distinction. I dunno which way… Read more »

Trent Denton
Trent Denton
7 years ago

Muslims and Jews prefer the other over Christians

Christians are the group that is holding back global consensus and solidarity.

Thank god for demographic change and immigration