The Road To War?

The base assumption of the armchair generals and foreign policy experts is that war on the Korean peninsula is suicide for all involved. The South Koreans know that the North Koreans have the capacity to inflict massive damage to South Korean cities. The North Koreans know that any war with the South brings in American air and sea power, which means the end of the Kim regime. Even assuming the Chinese step in to prevent a North defeat, the end result is monstrous for all concerned. As a result, we have a standoff.

That all sounds good, until you read something like this in the National Interest. Gordon Chang’s analysis may be way off base, but you cannot ignore the fact that Washington keeps pounding the war drums. It really does not matter if people outside Washington are listening. What matters is that official Washington seems to be gearing up for war. The Trump administration has been slowly building up offensive assets in the region. We now have three carrier groups operating within striking distance of North Korea.

Maybe it is all a bluff, but why would Washington bluff, if they accept the various war narratives popular with the foreign policy experts? If the North Koreans are sure that the South does not want a war, why would they think that Washington is doing anything other than bluffing? The whole point of saber rattling is so the other side thinks there is at least some chance that the guy rattling the saber is serious. More important, the guy with the saber needs to think he is serious too. Otherwise, you get Obama’s red lines.

There’s also the unknowns. In this case, no one really knows what South Korean and US military intelligence knows about the North Korean military. It is a safe bet that that the US has had spy satellites parked over North Korea for a long time. It’s also a safe bet that the South Koreans have been cultivating sources in the North Korean military. None of this information is made available to the so-called experts and armchair generals. In other words, Washington may be responding to things entirely unknown to the public.

One thing that is known is that North Korea knows they cannot win a war against the South. The proof of that is how they have organized their military. Those artillery pieces on the border are a one-shot threat. They get about 72 hours to inflict as much damage as possible, until US air power takes them out. If they play this card, they forgo their opportunity to send their infantry and armor south. Instead, the North will have to wage a defensive war, hoping the South elects a negotiated end rather than an invasion.

This means their best card to play in this game just about guarantees their destruction, either from a land invasion or an extended air campaign. It would certainly end the Kim family dynasty. That makes the threat significantly less credible. The US can pressure China or make a deal with China, to get help putting the screws to the Kim regime, knowing that the Koreans only have a doomsday card to play. In other words, the doomsday card prevents a US invasion, but does not prevent economic war.

Of course, it’s possible that the math has changed for the Chinese. Right now is peak China economically and demographically. Now is the best chance they will have to resolve their Korean problem. A decade from now, when China has an aging population and the North Koreans have the ability to strike Beijing, the Americans may not be interested in helping with this problem. The best time to address tough problems is when you have the resources to address them. There is no better time than now for China.

There’s also the Trump factor. Previous presidents have been willing to accept the options presented to them by the foreign policy establishment. Trump is psychologically incapable of accepting the options presented to him for anything. Everyone who has done deals with him says the same thing. Trump thrives under pressure, so he puts everyone under pressure. He’s sure he can wheel and deal with anyone under pressure, so that’s how he changes the negotiating table. He creates uncertainty and puts everyone under the gun.

That seems to be what he is trying to do with Asia. On the one hand, he is encouraging Japan to build out their military and take a more active role in policing the region. This puts enormous pressure on China. He’s helping the South Koreans get ready for war, which puts pressure on the North and on their relationship with China. All of a sudden, the US is doing things very different in Asia. Trump’s willingness to change course on a dime, adds an air of unpredictability to him, which always makes Asian leaders nervous.

No one outside the Trump inner circle knows what’s in the works, but the steady buildup of offensive assets in the region is not just saber rattling. To send a message, you send a carrier group and hold some joint exercises with the South Koreans. Maybe after a North Korean missile launch, you pass some more sanctions and give a bellicose speech. What Trump is doing looks a lot like the preparation for a decapitation strike or maybe a sustained air campaign to cripple the North Korean regime. It looks like war prep.

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joey+junger
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You’re correct that individual psychological and personality elements can determine how far brinkmanship goes before this possibly goes hot (I don’t think it will, but it’s possible). Some of the people around Kennedy claimed Curtis Lemay came within a cunt hair of talking JFK into a nuclear strike on Cuba. Kim Jong Un has a “pleasure squad” of nubile girls (and probably boys) checked for virginity before they get handed over to him, so he may be too hedonistic to want to do anything but saber-rattle himself (if Bubba Clinton knew about this squad, he might be enticed to make… Read more »
ChiefIllinicake
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You have to wonder what the “after” looks like in this.

After generations of torture and starvation, the “human capital” in North Korea is certainly very spent. They are a broken lot, broken physically, and psychically broken as well.

And it’s not like the shithole is known for it’s vast natural resources, right? What to do, what to do?

Perhaps the most humane thing to do is go total glassworks on the place.

Drake
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I was just thinking the truly humane thing to do would be an all-out war on the regime (which would crumble immediately) followed by the world’s largest humanitarian effort.

Not exactly in our national interest, but we could make endless documentaries on the failure of socialism / communism which might come in handy.

JohnTyler
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“….make endless documentaries on the failures of communism….” Sounds good, but would be a total waste of time and digital “film.” Communism has a 1000% perfect record of failure, poverty, murder, mass exterminations, etc.. And what has that produced? Let’s see: The CPUSA is STILL !!!! headquartered in Manhattan. (try setting up a national hdqtrs of the NAZI Party USA in Manhattan and see how far you get.) Much if the media- 90% – is very sympathetic to Stalin, the former USSR, Cuba, etc., and communism in general About 99.999 % of all college faculty are communists or commie sympathizers… Read more »
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Well I would hate to see your non humane solution.

Drake
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Let them continue to suffer for generations.

ChiefIlliniCake
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I suppose that did come across as a little “scorched earth” of me.

The problem is, what do you do with all of those Commie Zombies after the fact? Look at poor Germany. They let all of their Commie cousins filter back in, and now they’ve got Frau Merkel, former Stasi poster girl, fucking up the side that won for all eternity.

I’ll bet you more than than a few Germans who look around at their forcibly diversity-fied Fatherland and rue the day the wall came down.

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” Kim Jong Un has a “pleasure squad” of nubile girls (and probably boys) checked for virginity before they get handed over to him”

Says who?

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ bilejones – Why shouldn’t Kim have a pleasure squad. Every American president’s had theirs. Fair play I say!

Pimpkin\'s Nephew
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Sure, and when an American president tires of one of his girls he has her executed by mortar fire. America = N Korea. Got it.

Nothing like nuance to help advance conversation.

Karl McHungus
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The phrase you are looking for is Joy Division

SKek
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great band back in the day!

SKek
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what a silly and nonsensical comparison

SKek
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…says defectors. Multiple defectors over years have reported this.

Demeter Last
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Every time North Korea gets up to hijinks I wonder just what the CIA/DoD/Executive branch/etc. knows about DPRK. Then I wonder what they (Ibid.) *think* they know about DPRK. Lord, I hope Trump has enough sense to not start another war. The best outcome of a shooting war on the peninsula is a repeat of the 1991 Gulf War. A war which, we should note in retrospect, turns out to be ongoing still. No thanks. (Interesting idea: the 1991 Gulf War was the first war to be broadcast live on CNN, and CNN was then what we consider Twitter to… Read more »
SKek
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-as much as I’d like to agree with your comment – it is demonstrably rubbish. As a veteran the last thing in the world I want to see is another war but… The problems with the Kims have been growing for decades – this issue has nothing at all to do with Trump except that it landed in his lap. Kim publicly talks about an EMP attack on us which would kill about 90% of the population. His most recent missile test was a high altitude ICBM which makes an EMP attack very very very very possible. Say what you… Read more »
Ursula
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From what I’ve read, North Korea would like to enter into direct talks with the U.S. that lead to a signing of a peace treaty thus finally closing the Korean war. But that we (U.S.) refuse. Also, in exchange for U.S., South Korea and Japan ceasing joint military exercises, including decapitation exercises, NK would stop shooting off missiles. But U.S. won’t agree. We want them to stop developing nuclear capability but clearly NK (and the whole world) sees what the U.S. does when someone gets rid of their weapons per our request — just look at Libya and Syria. Why… Read more »
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I believe there is tacit consent that wars between/among the “Big Three” are to be avoided; wars involving 3rd world nations are not meant to be won but rather extended indefinitely, ad infinitum if possible. The NORK situation, however, is likely something of a wild card and I suspect there is genuine danger with respect to how it will be played.

james+wilson
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If Trump’s plans for NoKo were mildly incompetent this would represent a great improvement over the American policies of the last forty years, but I’d say he has a good handle on little rocket man, and the Chinese. He’ll leave Kim a way out, and an attractive one. But the family is out, and business as usual with it.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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North Korea is simply letting the US, and the rest of the world, know they have nukes so they don’t end up with a US emposed regieme change which has been very much part of US policy for over 100-years. Kim is obviously smart enough to do his homework on the history of US enforced regime changes and knows a nuke is the only thing keeping him from ending up being dragged out of office – or a drain pipe. I still remember back when Bush Jr. was all upset about WMDs in Iraq and at the same time N.… Read more »
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If you hadn’t noticed, exploiting our own resources (and there are plenty that previous administrations have put off limits for now) has made the USA the greatest producer of hydrocarbon energy in the world. We’ve never been lower than third that I know of, and are not big exporters. The notion that we would go to war to have or control the resources of other countries is absurd now and always has been. This is for other readers: read Karl’s comments carefully. They are almost all mere virtue signaling. You pity him because he lives in a country in a… Read more »
Karl Horst (Germany)
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Ah, and this from a man who’s profession is so poorly manged most Americans can’t afford it and where infant mortality is 5th behind Slovenia. Please. Doctor, heal thyself. It always sounds so noble that American meddling in other countries is about freedom and democracy and not about taking their resources. I would love to hear your arguments for U.S. government overthrowing democratically elected governments in Syria in 1949, Iran in 1953, Guatemala in 1954, Brazil in 1964 and Chile in 1973. The Trump administration just reduced the size Bears Ears National Monument by 85 percent, and the Grand Staircase-Escalante,… Read more »
Karl Horst (Germany)
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I forgot to include my source…

“The decision to reduce Bears Ears is expected to set off a legal battle that could alter the course of American land conservation, putting dozens of other monuments at risk and possibly opening millions of preserved public acres to oil and gas extraction, mining, logging and other commercial activities.”

Again, since your government is only screwing Americans out of their lands and resources, this would never happen anywhere else. Okay. And how much was that bridge again?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/04/us/trump-bears-ears.html

Al from da Nort
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Karl;
Are you really one of those hopelessly emotional urban greenies that fall for this kind of stuff_? The intermountain US West in general and those ‘national monuments’ in particular mostly resemble Kazakhstan. They are *nothing* like anywhere in your land or ours E of the great plains.

They were set up as much to spite and impoverish political enemies of the bi-coastal elite as for any other reason. You see, by making land ‘federal’ the much-derided locals cannot derive any economic benefit, particularly tax revenues, from them.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ Al – So it’s okay for corporations to exploit public land – land you pay to support with your tax dollars? Wasn’t that what Teddy Roosevelt was trying to prevent when the national parks were established? It’s not about being “green” as you say. I’ve spend time in Yosemite and Yellowstone, and many of your wonderful national parks. I would be horrified to see oil dereks or fracking in these pristine areas. In all honesty, the US should have seized the middle east 70-years ago and pumped every last drop out of those god forsaken countries as fast as… Read more »
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It was important that the West give up Imperialism. It was virtue signalling on a national level. Now in retrospect look at all the good that money transfer has wrought. Virulent forms of Islam have been spread across the globe by Western oil money. The road to hell is paved with good intentions…but maybe we should change that to something more accurate…. The road to hell is paved with virtue signalling.

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” land you pay to support with your tax dollars?”
Why are tax dollars required to “support land”?

Al from da Nort
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Karl;
You are confusing ‘national monuments’ which can be anything, some are even open ocean, with ‘national parks’ which are specific areas of natural beauty such as you cite. This confusion is deliberately promoted by green fundamentalist fanatics everywhere. Seems you have fallen for it.

The land in question is largely ‘open range’ which means in practice that it grows rocks, sagebrush, rattlesnakes and roadrunners in that order. But mostly rocks. You can be sure that only the most picturesque few acres are the ones shown.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ Al – Map and GPS locations please. Would be good to know to check facts. It’s a big country, I can’t be expected to know where everything is.

Al from da Nort
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Karl; Of course you nor or anyone else can know where everything is. But what you really need to do is to develop is a healthy skepticism about the always self-serving governmental, not to mention global green fanatic, driven Cloud Folk pronouncements in the media. Behold the magnificent Bear Ears National Monument: It is as I said, mostly rocks. They are arguably somewhat pretty ones in this best-of-all-possible-pictures of them. The Native American ruins pics are thrown into the article for pure greenie eyewash: They are actually not in Bear Ears National Monument at all and are already separately protected… Read more »
soapweed
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Karl-bob: If’n your going to jack your jaws on a subject, then you are expected to know the basics of that in which you speak… ALL the information you need about the great American west can be read at : the westerner.blogspot .com soapweed

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Karl you don’t know what you’re talking about. The government has been on a quiet buying spree for decades. Much of the nation is actually owned by the federal government, and they are still buying. That is a problem in a “free country”.
You also don’t know what you’re talking about regarding our medical system. You quote statistics that are skewed by third world immigration, but I expect your infant mortality rate is going to be taking a nose dive soon enough, since you’re getting your own third world invasion.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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Really? So the US federal government is buying up the land? Does that mean private citizens can’t own it now? Not sure that’s such a good thing. Wasn’t the US based on private ownership, especially for land?

Immigration or not, statistically, they still count. Actually, ours will probably remain the same for a while. It was mostly single males that came here from way down south, they’re not populating just yet.

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Exactly, Karl they buy it warehouse it and then let it decay, and won’t sell it ever again.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ DFCtom- Must be, as you say, “a hell’va” big warehouse! Ah, like Indiana Jones. Got it.

Klawnet
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Oh, honey…that tired trope about infant mortality exposes the chip on your shoulder, assuming you’re not just being disingenuous.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ Klawnet – I’m actually concerned that a country as great as the US doesn’t have better health care. When I travel to the US, I actually have to buy additional health care coverage because of the sky-high prices of US health care. At least I can afford it.

Why does the US government have billions to give away to people who hate you, yet so little for it’s own people?

Disingenuous is a country boasting how great it is to the world, yet unable, or unwilling, to provide for it’s own in need.

Member

Screen out urban minorities and American infant mortality is just fine.

Provide what for us? Health care? Their first step hasn’t helped one freaking bit. I can’t wait for the universal system.
The US is on big country, highly divergent (not just race). Your system doesn’t scale well even if it is a good one, which I have no idea.

But yeah, we are screwed but so are you. Nice huh?

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ David-Wright – True enough. We’re all in the same boat. But it’s a sad commentary that the urban minorities you point out, who are also Americans, have to suffer in this way. No mother, regardless of status in society, should have to bury her child. Especially in such a wealthy country as the US.

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Do you ever read the articles on which you comment? Most of these minorities suffer from their own lack of intelligence and common sense. The government has tried to fix it, but as the saying goes you can’t fix stupid. Even the talented 10th leaves as quick as they can, and the ghetto grows dumber because of it.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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DFCtomm – True, there are some groups you just can’t help. The Chinese are in for that lesson in the Congo. Probably not that different from Baltimore or Detroit, just not as well armed (in the Congo).

Member

Peoples outcome in life should be a reflection of their abilities and behaviors, not on who they happen to live next to.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ bilejoned…Said the realtor to the residence near Three Mile Island just before it was built.

Pimpkin\'s Nephew
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Herr Horst, why are you so bitter about a country you don’t live in? Nature has been good to you, you are German, you live in a country free of all blemish. Why not just enjoy your blessings and leave us to our own problems? We’re at a disadvantage; what is done here still matters, whereas no one cares – outside its client EU states – what Germany does, or is. This ‘Three Mile Island’ remark is just mindless snark. No realtor did this, and you probably suspect that. But you’re all worked up. Ignorance is ignorance. I used to… Read more »
Guzalot
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Seriously Horst, spare me the lectures about the superiority of German healthcare. It’s utter bullspittle. A little about me: I was born in Germany to a German mother and an American expatriate father. My family moved back to the States when I was six after the death of my little brother from “care” he received in a German hospital. He had a case of diarrhea and the German doctors destroyed his kidneys with their treatment. After a year-long fight for his life he died of kidney failure before his 4th birthday. All due to malpractice for which we had no… Read more »
Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ Guzalot – Your experience is unfortunate and should not have happened. Not to diminish what you went through, but I’m sure there are others on this forum who have either had similar experiences with the American health care system, or know someone who has. Which why American doctors pay sky high malpractice insurance rates. I’m not saying the German system is superior, but I am saying it is accessible to all Germans. Quality and accessibility are two different things. But to the point of the American health care system. fiscal controls on cost are one way to make it… Read more »
JerryC
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High infant mortality rates in the ghetto really have nothing to do with “access to healthcare” per se. It is unfortunately all about the lifestyle choices that these women make. How exactly would the German healthcare system stop Laqueesha from smoking pot and partying all night while she’s pregnant?

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ JerryC – At the moment we’re not full up with Laqueesha’s and her type. We’re more for the Muhammed crowd and they’re not really into taking drugs.

But to your point – German parents are required to bring their children to the doctor for a medical examination after 7 days of being born. Then again after 4 weeks and again after 3 months. It’s enforced like going to school is enforced.

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The American system is accessible to everyone. Go into any emergency room and see who is sitting there. You are literally talking out of your ass. Your assumption is that everyone pays or they don’t get treatment. What you don’t realize is that one of the reasons why American healthcare is so expensive is because those who can pay subsidize the treatment of those who cannot pay.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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I would argue it’s expensive because cost control is not part of the total program. But let’s be honest, visiting the emergency room because you’re sick is not exactly health care in the sense of what real heath care is all about.

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That is one of the reasons, and you can read Karl Denniger’s blog if you want more details about how health care companies are screwing the public, but like most things there isn’t simply one reason. Here is how it generally works. Illegals walk into an ER and they like ERs because unlike a regular office visit the paperwork is often filled out for them, or someone is provided to assist them, even in their own language. Then they walk out and don’t pay. If they are a poor U.S. native then they’ll file bankruptcy to get out from under… Read more »
vlad
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Seems that infant mortality has a lot to do with the number of infants who actually make it to birth, with some countries saving those as young as 4-5 mos. old. And if the government pay for health care, can the citizens be said to be able to ‘afford it”? Comparing a collective to an individual system is apples and oranges. BO overstepped his bounds (AGAIN) on gobbling up land for the government; DT set it right. That said, couldn’t agree more about “nation-building” and am glad we are back in the “America First” business. Only wish Europe could join… Read more »
D&D Dave in the Bubble
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D&D Dave in the Bubble

I remember a time when Germany worked very hard for regime change. Wanted it on a global scale if I recall.

Putting that aside, the Un’s have gotten away with everything they have because Bejing was there to protect them. I know you’re bitter because your savior Saddam got taken out, but to take out Un would have meant going to war with China. Big difference.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ D&D – Just in Poland actually. Everything else was just a misunderstanding. Saddam my savior? I think not. Actually, I always admired President Reagan. He wouldn’t have made the same decisions Bush did, I’m pretty sure of that.

Lorenzo
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Karl,
Good to hear from you again.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ Lorenzo – Pleasure to be back. Always enjoy the banter in here. Good cerebral fights are always the best.

bob sykes
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“Right now is peak China …” Right now is peak every advanced country, and for the same exact reasons. What counts is relative power, and China’s vs. us is increasing. That aside. You have ignored the four elephants in the room: China, Russia, and the pacifist component of both South Korea’s and Japan’s populations. Any war with North Korea will immediately draw in both China and Russia, especially if the war starts because of an American pre-emptive strike. We know so because they have said so in a joint communique. Only a negotiated settlement will be permitted. The pacifists in… Read more »
Bobster
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interesting perspective. not sure I buy it all. seems to have quite a few moving parts and a very complex decision tree. if your theory takes one wrong branch turn, there’s a whole different set of outcomes possible. fog of war and such.

Karl McHungus
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Sounds like we have a pacifist right here.

Tully
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IF you think Russia is going to risk war with the US over North Korea, you’re delusional at best.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ Tully – Agreed. Russia won’t go to war over anything that’s not historically Russian.

calsdad
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Bloody hell. This is same line of defective reasoning used by all those people who want to shit all over the decision making process pre-WW2 and throw people like Chamberlain under the bus for “appeasing Hitler”. Maybe before throwing shit like this out there you ought to go do some minimal reading on the state of Japan and Korea after WW2 – and do some further reading on the state of North Korea after the Korean War. Long story short: we bombed the living shit out of them and their countries were basically completely in rubble and needed to be… Read more »
james+wilson
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And here I thought NoKo attacked SoKo back in the day. We bad! And only now I learn if the war was not fought to preserve the south, the NoKos would not be mafioso communist! We bad again. Well, as they say, nobody is entitled to his own opinion but everybody is entitled to his own facts.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ calsdad – Americans are famous for rebuilding countries which “they bomb the shit out of.” Seems the real losers are always their allies. Just ask the Brits and the French – you might well have just bombed the “shit” out of them given their economies have never recovered.

I’m sure Nissan and Toyota are very appreciative. Volkswagen sends their tanks…er…thanks.

Tykebomb
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My address is 7493 James St. Fayetteville, New York. If an irate woman comes out screaming about a recent divorce, just ignore her and burn it down.

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Could be just louder rattling. Have seen talk that a space launched kinetic weapon may have already taken out the nork’s capacity to process any more uranium. What’s happening now may be to ensure they don’t rebuild.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ teapartydoc – It could also be just another one of many distractions to keep your plebs looking the other way. Americans are historically paranoid and always seem to need a boogie-man. Guess you’ve found a new one in Kim since Trump and Putin now are such great friends. It would seem the dreaded Red Threat has gone away (unless you’re Hillary Clinton). It must be a tragic day for people like you to realize Germany was right – Russia was never a threat to the west and never will be. But at least it kept your military industrial complex… Read more »
Al from da Nort
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Karl; Either you are just spitballing here, looking for something to stick to the wall or you are woefully uninformed about American education. If there’s one thing that’s been demonstrated repeatedly about it across time and geography it’s that more money /= better results. Now, you may well have a point about apprenticeships. About healthcare, the main problem is political, not funding levels. It has been created by Progs. advancing incremental stealth welfare step-by-step for the last 60 years. Each step created a large, redundant bureaucracy so the pretense could be maintained that it’s not blanket welfare for the ‘undeserving’.… Read more »
Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ Al – I think it’s common knowledge Americans have failed to promote STEM subjects for decades. Thousands of ill-prepared students pushed off into colleges with less than 10-grade reading skills and no understanding of advanced maths. Millions have been spent on education, if not billions. And trust me, it’s not better. Not from the dozens of articles I have read and especially from personal conversations I’ve had with Americans face to face – if anything, the more money you seem to throw at US education, the worse it gets. Thank you for acknowledging apprenticeships. We Germans, like you Americans,… Read more »
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Karl:

Socialized/universal health care is tough to implement and keep running in a mono-ethnic north euro nation-state with a deep & embedded culture of work, integrity, and community. It is pretty much impossible in a multi-ethnic empire like the USA has become.

Diversity is our weakness.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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You do know Germany doesn’t have socialized heath care, right? You’re thinking of the Brits NH system. We actually pay for it here out of pocket, either through a government insurance program or private. But it’s not free.

FYI, it’s law in Switzerland to buy private health insurance. Again, nothing socialized about it here either.

A.B. Prosper
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The US has a large population of people who are incapable of learning to read well much less going into STEM. Some of this is cultural (Latinos and Blacks mostly don’t read) some of it situational (broken families) but a a lot of its is genetic To be useful in STEM you need at the minimum an IQ over a hundred fifteen or so and excellent impulse control . We have increasingly fewer people who meet the criteria. Its roughly 8% of the population, mainly Whites and Asians of which the former are often kept away from STEM by quotas… Read more »
Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ ABP – My guess fewer and fewer whites are going for STEM subjects because they’re either not bright enough or too lazy. While the Asians dominate due to an education-ethos, and blacks are just there for sports scholarships? If your STEM pool is only 15-million and just “a bit more than Germany”, you’re in serious trouble when you compare the population of the US (323-mil) to Germany (86-mil). I would argue there are plenty of problems well trained STEM students can be solving. You’re the only country with a budget and willingness to take on these sorts of challenges… Read more »
A.B. Prosper
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Very few problems the US faces need to be solved with STEM.

When complexity is the source of your problems, if you want to solve them, the last thing you do is double down on complexity, more tech is the opposite of a solution

A real political solution would be mass deportation and a right wing authoritarian populist state

L. Beau Macaroni
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@Karl Horst – I think “keep the plebs distracted” is part of the formula, but, as you suggest, the bigger part is an unspoken agreement between the military contractors and the government to keep the tax dollars flowing. While a certain part of the power elite class in the USA actually enjoys having enough military muscle to make threats, most common Americans seldom think about the world outside our borders. For this reason, the Yankee neo-British Empire project has always needed a reason to exist, at least for home propaganda purposes, other than mere power politics. Hence the need to… Read more »
D&D Dave in the Bubble
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D&D Dave in the Bubble
The build up all this comes from joint US-China folly with the North Koreans. The Uns ran a successful blackmail operation and Clinton, Bush and Obama were all more than willing to capitulate and kick the can down the road. China was more than happy to let the Uns do their thing and stood and let their proxy state do their thing. It was perfectly clear they were Uns bodyguard and the US & the allies were not going to risk any confrontation with China. I’m frankly surprised that China did not finally go in and take over Taiwan during… Read more »
Glen Filthie
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Alternate scenario: like all democrats, Obama hated the military and made no secret of it, even going so far as to humiliate the forces by making a squaddie stand out in the rain to hold an umbrella over his empty head. Military budgets were slashed, and the money diverted to pork for the democrat media/welfare complex. Foreign policy-wise, he was a weakling and a fool and the world’s turdies played him for one. Obama constantly complained that Bush handed him all his problems. Trump has a serious REAL mess to clean up after America’s failed affirmative action president. The navy… Read more »
Rod1963
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Obama gutted the military with budget cuts and sequestration. We cannot fight NK today without breaking what’s left of our military. Our Navy is short a 100 warships, massively short of spare parts for it’s aircraft, don’t have funds to do proper maintenance, etc. That 3 carrier BG off NK is a one shot deal. The Navy had to strip all of it’s aviation assets across the country to put planes on all 3 carriers. That’s how bad we are. Only 5 of the Army’s BCT’s are combat ready. The other 30 or so would take a year or more… Read more »
Al from da Nort
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Rod;
It’s not beyond possibility that one secondary reason for the Pacific buildup is to weed out the incompetent affirmative action senior officers that Obama placed over the last 8 years. They had ample cover because Bush II failed to weed out a lot of the ones Clinton placed over his 8 years.

One reason Trump puts people under pressure, as Z Man says, is that it works to weed out the lazy and incompetent.

Ivar
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Far more important than that, the Military has been hollowed out and destroyed by social engineering. It is amazing to me that so many people believe that the military establishment is somehow different than the larger government. They are the same people, selected for the same reasons.

The U.S. government is a clown patrol and the military is no different.

james+wilson
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Likewise the FBI and others.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ Rod – Given the technological advances in today’s world, how much hardware to you think you really need? Aircraft carries have gone the way of the battleship. The days of superior numbers don’t mean much anymore especially since most of modern warfare is asymmetrical. Thinking Korea will play by US rules of engagement is folly – North Vietnam didn’t why so would the Koreans? The Russians already demonstrated they don’t need bigger tanks, faster jets or longer range missiles. They did so by simply hacking into the FBI, CIA and other sensitive government agencies. N. Korea doesn’t need to… Read more »
Pimpkin\'s Nephew
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A well-equipped carrier group is mobile and packs serious destructive power. It hasn’t “gone the way of the battleship”; the battleship came to an end with the advent of mobile airpower. This is well-known, or, as Karl Horst likes to say, “I think it’s common wisdom”. The USA empire has demonstrated over the last 25-30 years an unexcelled capacity to kill thousands of people and blast remote cities and towns and caves all over the world, thanks to its carrier groups, often – it seems – just for the fun of it. No national goals are ever achieved, but it… Read more »
Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ PN – I believe a dedicated hacker, or a building full of them, can trump your carrier force pretty much every time. Bombing caves is easy. not getting your national power grid hijacked is something all together different.

Pimpkin\'s Nephew
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You missed the point, as I was sure you would. I’m speaking of military assets, in direct response to your point about battleships. Violent military response to any sort of attack – cyber or otherwise – is, obviously, a deterrent. Equally obvious is that the presence or absence of traditional military capability is not a substitute for other modes of defense or attack. All of this is well-known. Take your country, Germany: Its panzer armies swept over the helpless peoples of Poland and Ukraine, supplemented by aerial raids by the Luftwaffe, frequently on women and children stumbling down dirt roads… Read more »
Glen Filthie
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LOL. If you’re sounding like Chompsky, maybe ya should pause to reflect!!! 🙂 I am thinking Karl may be right and you are wrong. Not only is the aircraft carrier rapidly becoming obsolete, the friggin AIRPLANE is damn near there too! The best manned fighter planes are now so expensive, it would make sense to overwhelm a carrier group with drones and missiles. A battle like that would all come down to numbers and electronic counter measures … and those boats, by today’s standards, are mighty big targets and they are also soft. The battlefield is changing. Smart weapons are… Read more »
zreader
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You’re overestimating the capabilities of our carrier groups.

Rod1963
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You vastly overestimate hackers. Most are just low grade white collar criminals. As for their hacking exploits. Many are simply a result of badly implemented INFOSEC rules. I’ve seen plenty of that as a DoD IT manager for some very high profile programs. 90% of the hacks disappear when their targets tighten up on security or simple close off outside access altogether. In regards to the Norks crippling our power grid. Not going to happen. Even if they did, it’s a declaration of war and their only city would vanish in a wave of carpet bombing along with their power… Read more »
Saml Adams
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The most interesting tidbit of data to become public was the physical condition of the soldier that recently defected over the DMZ. Ostensibly the “A” team is stationed right up on the border, yet one of the non-comms is malnourished, riddled with roundworms, and has uncooked corn in his stomach. Really have to wonder what condition the NorKs are really in. If they are a hollow core that doesn’t need much of a push. Assuming you can decapitate and hit enough of the tubes and rockets fast enough. MOABS are useful both physically and psychologically for massed artillery. Original Kim… Read more »
Brigadon
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” Used to tell the story of getting handed a bunch of Trumps casino loans that went south during the early 90s recession to resolve. Were presented as “senior secured”, he quickly found out that Trump’s team had eviscerated the normal covenants during negotiations, so they really had no control of the pledged assets. But Trump paid senior secured rates. He got that by creating so much chaos during the process that he completely outwitted the bankers who were used to a civilized, linear negotiation. ” Most of us (including me) probably have NO idea what any of that means.… Read more »
Dutch
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Trump and Carl Icahn (the one whose tactics are familiar to me) use chaos at the negotiating table to extract a better deal for their side of the table. Without getting into arcane definitions, you can leave it at that. After everyone signs the deal and walks away, over time people find out that the contracts aren’t quite what they appear to be, and the terms of the deal are lopsided. Trump and Icahn, amongst others, use that chaos and intimidation technique to break up the cozy Wall Street deals into something that favors their side, instead of favoring everyone… Read more »
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So not like ” you have to sign the bill to know what’s in it”
as fancy Nancy said of Barry the Kenyans great theft.

That’s now costing me $1,600 plus dollars a month.

calsdad
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Geezus. Not sure why this is hard to figure out. My guesses: – “control of pledged assets” = you want a loan , you ‘pledge’ assets to the bank and they must be able to take control of those assets if the loan goes south and you don’t repay. No control = no control. Trump outwitted the bankers – “senior secured rates” = different people get different rates on loans. Joe Turdbucket who works at 7-11 is going to get a different rate on his mortgage than some guy like Trump who is part of the in-crowd. Trump = senior… Read more »
Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ Saml Adams – The word you are looking for is “decoy”. Convince the world N. Korean troops are all in that shape and what’s the effect?

Americans were convinced the Japanese were nothing but buck-toothed, slant eyed idiots. Those same “idiots” pulled off Pearl Harbor.

Learn from history.

Pimpkin\'s Nephew
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Is that really what Americans were convinced of, Karl? Really? All 140 million of them? I yearn for evidence aside from your schoolboy assumptions…

“Learn from history”. – Karl Horst (Germany).

Ok, I’m all ears. Give me the history.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ PN – Not all 140 million Americans, just the ones in charge of Pearl Harbor who didn’t think the Japanese could pull it off.

Member

You murderous thugs just love to kill, don’t you?

Hardvanger
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I think NK is banker puppet state, supported covertly by the West, all along, like China, North Vietnam. Like Cuba. All bogeymen to keep up the Cold War scam.

If NK has nukes, the West gave them. Like it gave nukes to another low tech donkey shit country, Pakistan, to threaten India. War is the ultimate profit center.

Pimpkin\'s Nephew
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You deserve an upvote for writing ‘bogeymen’ (correct) and not ‘boogiemen’ (incorrect), in the manner of Karl Horst (Germany).

The rest of your comment is ridiculous.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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PN – thank you for the spelling correction. I would argue Kim could well be a Chinese sock puppet as Hardvanger commented. Just to keep the Americans off balance and spread the American forces thin enough – you can guess who’s hand is in that sock.

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I have a hard time believing that NK is acting independently, that it is not doing China’s bidding. Flip the map around: if China had a huge military and economic presence in the West (the way we do via Japan and South Korea in the East) would we not want to use a proxy to sow fear and chaos? To disrupt the enemy’s thinking at every turn? To drain its resources? China has already said that if we attack NK first, it will come in on NK’s side. This checkmates any preemptive strike by us, leaving China free to break… Read more »
Tim Newman
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Feel free to dismiss this as internet bullshit, but I have a pal quite well connected with various decision-makers in the British and US military. He says Washington is gearing up for an attack in the spring: the Japanese are interested, the South Koreans don’t want to know, but the Americans have decided to deal with the problem. They’ve spoken to the Chinese and asked them how far down the peninsula they intend to come, and a finger was planted on the map which the Americans have agreed to. The priority for the Americans and Chinese is to secure the… Read more »
Burner Prime
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Pure Bullshit.

Dutch
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Politicians like to tackle the easy stuff and let the hard ones go. Successful businessmen know to go after the hardest problems and the rest tend to melt away. Korea is a really hard problem. Trump is using his tools to split the shared interests of China and NK into competing interests. Trump knows his limits, and China knows his limits. The trick is for Trump to frame the taking out of Rocket Boy to appear to be in the best interests of China. He seems to have travelled far down that path already. Given what Rocket Boy does to… Read more »
Glen Filthie
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That is not going to be a hard sell.

The North Koreans have no problem flipping the finger at China either. During a particularly nasty famine, Rocket Boy’s father was in charge and China sent a trainload of food and humanitarian supplies to help out.

The old man confiscated the train. And the personnel. Seriously.

Chinese “negotiation teams” were sent in and the train was promptly released back to them within a day. One supposes that the negotiation went along the lines of “Give us our damned train back or you’re dead…”

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My default assumption about a Second Korean War was that it wouldn’t happen. The most likely endgame was a few days of horrifically deadly artillery rained down on Seoul, inflicting hundreds of thousands of casualties (and hundreds of billions in damage) before Pyongyang was turned into a compliant, glowing sheet of glass. And it wouldn’t even necessarily resolve anything, since China likely wouldn’t tolerate a Unified Korea that was friendly to the Americans. The risk-reward ratio was unacceptably low. But I’ve started questioning that assumption. Any time I realize that I’m in agreement with the talking haircuts in the mainstream,… Read more »
Karl Horst (Germany)
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Most of this discussion assume America will continue to remain China’s major market. However America may well fall out of favor since is no longer a growing, developing country. Like Europeans, Americans have everything they need – you can’t sell a man a washing machine if he already has one. The boom years after WW-2 are long gone, in Europe and America. That means American (and European) influence of China can change, as China gets tired of offering credit to countries so in debt, they can’t possibly pay their bills. What influence can a low demand customer put on a… Read more »
james+wilson
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Here’s some larned history for ya, Karl. China is not going to tire of giving credit to countries in order that they may buy Chinese products. They have trapped themselves into doing so, exactly as Americans did in the 1920’s. Nobody wants to be the guy shutting down the party. Oh, and the American educational system? It went German in the 1880’s.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ James+wilson – The U.S. debt to China is $1.2 trillion as of August 2017. That’s 30 percent of the $3.05 trillion in Treasury bills, notes, and bonds held by foreign countries.

Consider how much of the US China actually owns outright and I doubt they’re too worried about the loans. They’ll get it back one way or another.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-03/chinese-are-buying-large-chunks-land-across-america-and-zillow-now-enabling-it

FYI – Germany has been giving credit to southern Europe who in turn buys our cars and other consumer good. It’s a great system!

Pimpkin\'s Nephew
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You’re wrong. By holding these bonds all the Chinese hold is.. bonds. Any investor knows this. It isn’t a claim on privately-held property or real assets in the US, the total value of which staggers the mind, even today. The weakness in a creditor/debtor relationship is all on the side of the creditor, if the debtor refuses to pay and has the wherewithal to back up this refusal. Chinese investors don’t trust the Chinese banking system, with good reason. The US national debt is outrageous, from a moral and mental health point of view, but geopolitically it makes complete sense:… Read more »
Glen Filthie
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I tend to agree. Trump is a money man. So are the Chinese. All wars are essentially about money and power…and very rarely, politics and religion. There’s no markets in North Korea worth fighting over. China does not want a war with Uncle Sam. Contrary to the media and the hysterical liberals, Trump is not unstable and won’t start a war over his ego or because the fat kid with the bad haircut thumbed his nose at Uncle Sam. Trump will posture and preen and use the situation to his advantage politically – but he knows where his battles are.… Read more »
Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ Glen Filthie – Hopefully America has learned from the disaster in the Middle east, that the friend of your enemies is not always your friend. Muslim solidarity is proof enough of that.

Other Asians may view a US attack on N. Korea in the same way. They may be different countries, but they know they are all ethnically Asian.

Hopefully Trump can convince other local Asian nations to bring N. Korea down for their own best interests, and keep the US out of it.

Asian resentment is long held and not easily forgotten.

Pimpkin\'s Nephew
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There is no ‘Muslim solidarity’. Aside from religion, there is essentially nothing which binds the Afghani with the Libyan or Syrian or Yemeni. You see this in the refugee camps. They hate each other. You are lumping very disparate people together by race, much as the Japanese did in WW2 by assuming that all “Far East” peoples would live in harmony in what they called an ‘Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere’. Never mind the massacres of Nanking, the heartless annihilation of Manila, the enslavement of Thai and Burmese coolies to build their railroads and airfields. We are brothers! Here in my benighted… Read more »
Anonymous White Male
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No offense to anyone here, but what I read is a bunch of armchair generals and Monday morning quarterbacks. Including myself. I have no idea what will happen. I have noticed the commentary from the MSM for the last 40 years. “The North Korean dictator is insane!”. I have never felt that was true. Narcissistic, sure. Corrupted, sure. Evil, probably. But, how is the Un family any different than the Bushes, the Clintons or the gay mulatto? Yes, there is a lot of difference economically between the US and NK, but human nature rules. There is a continuum of possibilities.… Read more »
calsdad
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If you know the history – the quest by the North Koreans to get nukes makes perfect sense.

It’s very far from “insane”.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ AWM – It could end and easily. A nuclear winter will definitely end humanity. There have been enough volcanoes in the past 1,000 years that have effectively changed the weather in Europe and other places in the world. Read about the “Year without Summer”. Fortunately, at least, the fall out from volcanoes is not radioactive.

Fukushima and Chernobyl are good examples of how just how fragile and unrecoverable the real world actually is. Even the best bug-out bag isn’t going to help you if you happened to be living near mount Saint Helens when it went off.

Anonymous White Male
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So, Fukushima, Chernobyl, and Mt. St. Helens ended the world, did they? Oh, wait they didn’t. Those who actually believe the propaganda that this planet is so fragile that humans can destroy it don’t recognize the fact that it was created to repair itself. I remember the hysteria around the Exxon Valdez. “It will destroy the environment forever!” Today there is no evidence it even happened. If humans actually could threaten the safety of this world, all it would take would be for the planet to shrug its shoulders and turn on its axis. Even that wouldn’t kill everyone.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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No human will be around by the time the earth repairs Fukushim and Chernobyl. All though the oil has mostly disappeared from view, many Alaskan beaches remain polluted to this day, crude oil buried just inches below the surface. You might read up on the condition of the US Gulf after BP disaster.

james+wilson
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Come to think of it, you might not find NoKo inhospitable to your sensibilities.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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Their winters are much too cold and I never acquired a taste for Kimchi.

Anonymous White Male
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I live in Texas. What, you live in Germany? I’m sure you’ve traveled to the Gulf several times to review the damage. Books are fine but they are limited by the writing ability and the intelligence of the author, as well as the intelligence of the reader. What you are trying to imply are mortal wounds to the planet are insignificant scars. Believe me, the need to think that man can destroy the world is just hubris. Man is just part of creation, not the be all and end all. Think about the thousands of nuclear explosions there have been.… Read more »
Karl Horst (Germany)
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AWM – Ah, Texas. I know a great place in Ft. Worth Stockyards, all the ribs you can eat. Very good! Unfortunately Gaia isn’t going to recover from an all out nuclear war. Not as long as you’re alive – which will end about one mili-second after the first detonation. Once you obliterate the atmosphere, the earth will look a lot like Mars in very short order. Keep in mind in your scenario, those were individual explosions. Very different from the sum of all of them going off at about the same time as would be the case in a… Read more »
Anonymous White Male
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Do all Krauts not know how to shut-up, Karl? It would explain a lot. Look back at just your posts on this thread. Logorrhea is not an attractive trait. Say, you don’t have a little mustache and foam at the mouth when you get worked up, do you?

A.T. Tapman (Merica)
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(Merica)
AWM, please don’t be to harsh with Karl, he was speaking metaphorically. I think he means Gaia, earth to you, is spiritually damaged.
Gaia wept.

Pimpkin\'s Nephew
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Karl Horst (Germany) is really fired up tonight. No counterpoint, no measured observation, no gentle herding back to the point of the thread, will detain Karl; he knows all, he sees all; no corner of history, or science, is obscure to him. He’s here to point out how limited and backward we are, as frontiersmen living out on the plain with only our bible and ten-year-old newspapers to guide us.

bad guest
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He said “Gaia.”

A.B. Prosper
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That’s bollocks , I was around the year after Mt. Saint Helens erupted. It was amazingly cold where I lived in places but there were no food shortages, starvation or any other serious impacts in a well run developed country Fukishima while bad across the board hasn’t wrecked the planet nor has Chernobyl. Neither are habitable for people but people safely visit on a regular basis In any case the chance of a nuclear war on a doomsday scale over North Korea is nil. It might have nasty economic implications and maybe a city could get nuked maybe but life… Read more »
Karl Horst (Germany)
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ABP – So you think the middle east nut jobs just want nukes as expensive decorations? Unlike the West and Russia, they plan on actually using them.

A.B. Prosper
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Despite what Neo Conservatives say the governments of the middle east are not suicidal crazies. They just want the US to leave them alone The only threat that your nation gets from that region is internal , Frau Merkel and the rests immigration policies basically/ Have a far stricter policy, as in very very few , deport them all and a solid border security and you’ll be fine. No one in the MENA regions will commit nuclear suicide over border controls Now I concede you might want to get nukes and a stouter defense of your own but this is… Read more »
Al from da Nort
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All these interesting and thoughtful analyses seem to assume that China is the rational actor here and Trump is not. Fact is, Japanese rearmament is as much due to not-so-rational Chinese actions as those of the Norks’. These have reduced ‘Great China’s’ relative power and control over the situation in Korea because a well-armed, nuclear capable, hostile Japan is hardly in China’s long term interest. And the Kim family’s provocations against Japan are no longer useful or harmless for that reason. While not much reported here, the Chinese have been conducting an off-and-on, long-running hate campaign against Japan. This is… Read more »
Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ Al – Not true. According to this article, there are about 100,000 still alive today. One might argue how many are still in Germany, but most were not Germans in the first place.

http://time.com/4392413/elie-wiesel-holocaust-survivors-remaining/

Al from da Nort
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Karl;
I was talking about the responsible perpetrators not any victims. If a man was a very young mid-level officer of 25 in 1945, hence capable of ordering an atrocity on his own authority, he’d be 97 today. So there might be an insignificant handful. Of my parent’s relatives who went into the war as near boys of 18+ only one remains alive today.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ Al – Fair point. Thanks for clarifying. Still, we must remain vigilant that it can never happen again. Because it can.

james+wilson
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While you satisfy yourself of your vigilance malevolence takes on new clothing and you are unaware it is on your back.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ james+wilson – Trust me. We are very aware.

Dutch
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Per my Asian friends, the Japanese are the Fascists, the Chinese are the cloud people, the Vietnamese are the Dirt people, and the Koreans are batshit crazy. Then there are the Siberian Russian hoodlums and the scary tough Mongolians. No one seems to like anyone else too much over there.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ Dutch – Sounds like south San Francisco. Let’s be honest, the only real benefit of multi-culti is the excellent take-away!

Drake
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North Korea loses a war in a week – doesn’t matter what their strategy and tactics are. Far more lopsided technological and logistics disparities than even the Gulf War.

The NK ace in the hole is that neither South Korean nor the Chinese want to take responsibility for their starving peasants. That elite North Korean border guard who defected last month was sick enough to warrant a hospital stay even if he had not been shot. Imagine how bad off the common peasants are.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/04/north-korean-soldier-turned-defectors-nasty-health-problems-speak-volumes-about-life-in-north-korea/

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The average IQ of South Koreans is supposed to be 106.

Assuming they’re reeducable, those Norks would probably make pretty good immigrant stock here, compared to what we typically get.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ bad guest – At your estimate they’re already 100-points above the average American liberal. 🙂

You do know the Koreans developed the first metal-clad ship, right? Look up “Turtle Ship”. Your American “Old Iron Sides” was not an original idea. They also developed moveable metal type face for printing around 1200 and underfloor heating as far back as 5,000 BCE. They also developed the multiple rocket launcher and a bullet proof vest.

They’re not as dumb as you think.

http://self.gutenberg.org/articles/eng/List_of_Korean_inventions_and_discoveries

Scullman
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Karl-Why don’t you move here, since you’re the foreign resident expert on all things American, you’ll be right at home with all the other know-it-all genius military experts roaming round in the afternoon with nothing to do. I’ve never read such bullshit in my life. Have you no comparable internet blog in MerkleLand to post comments and keep you busy with the current takeover of your native land by the migrant horde of Islamic radicals? You seem to be preoccupied with everything here in my country from desert tracts in Utah (a place I guarantee you’ve never set your foot)… Read more »
Karl Horst (Germany)
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“We”? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? So were you personally on the beaches of Normandy, or anywhere else, “spanking the shit out of us”? Since you brought up the subject, have you visited the Omaha Beach D-Day Memorial? I have. Do you know how many German-Americans are buried there? Come visit, and count the names for yourself – but be sure you have plenty of time – because it will take you a while. Just to set the record straight, I pay health insurance, car insurance, home insurance and income tax and sales tax. Nothing here is… Read more »
Scullman
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Hamburg 2x- Garmisch Partchenkirchen/Munich/Berg/Klais4x-Caracassone/Bayeux/Colville-sur-Mer (Normandy) 3x- Paris 6x- Milan2x-Bevagna/Spello/Montefalco/Florence 3x- Madrid 4x-Córdoba/Granada/Malaga/Ronda 2x- Rome 5x- Ireland/UK lost count.

You don’t know what you’re talking about.
We’re Americans.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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Well done Scullman! My goodness, an American who travels, excellent! But to be fair – how many years did you live in each these places? Or were they just tour bus stops? Living somewhere and getting to know the people is very different than watching those locations pass by from a tour bus window. And you can speak and read how many of these languages fluently – just want to be sure you’re able to read the local newspapers so you can appreciate ‘foreign’ published media and editorial commentary. I’d love to hear your take on Bavarian politics as it’s… Read more »
Scullman
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Sorry wise ass, no tour buses. I’m the tour. I’ve driven in all those countries including on the wrong side in the UK and Ireland, for business (photography) and pleasure. I could give you the tour via the Metro in Rome, Madrid and Paris any day, have rented apartments in all of them, and I well remember the afternoon in Aufkirchen visiting the local cemetery, respectfully honoring die Gefallenen from that village. And most of the people I’ve met were charming and intelligent and extremely welcoming and curious about Americans, or I wouldn’t keep going back. I don’t read or… Read more »
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Sorry Scully, I’m with Karl here. Excellent observations.

bad guest
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Now you’re just trolling.

bad guest
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I was not being facetious. I know they are smart. We could use them.

They are also very brave. Many of them have set up shop in black neighborhoods.

They’d be good for the north American gene pool.

Drake
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Maybe – Prior to WWII, North Korea was the industrial center of Korea, the south was the agricultural heartland.

But I’m not sure what a low-protein, starvation childhood diet does to an IQ. But they are good at following orders – put a Stop and Shop in a neighborhood and they’ll probably do whatever they’re told.

james+wilson
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Really not an issue, Drake. The entire population of NoKo can be fed for 25 million a day on twice the rations they are getting right now. That’s the way in, not the warning off.

TomA
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After the last missile launch, Trump said “We will take care of it.” He’s done talking. Something is going to give. My best guess is that Kim is now being offered a Golden Parachute. If he declines, then the money gets offered to the NK military command, leading to a coup that overthrows the Kim family dynasty. Should happen soon because winter is coming and starvation in NK will be catastrophic this year. That’s why Kim has been pushing the nuke issue and trying to force a handout.

Occassional Commenter
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Occassional Commenter

I’m not sure the Kimster is entirely rational in the way we view it. I think he’s operating in an information bubble slash echo chamber. Everyone around him is feeding him what he wants to hear, out of fear of death. So, his generals all tell him he can easily defeat the US, that we will fold at the slightest bit of pressure. What reliable sources does he really have?

Dutch
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I’m sure the Chinese manage to remind him what’s what now and again. Note Glen Filthie’s post above.

Burner Prime
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Your assessment of NK’s relationship with China is dumbfounding and stunningly absurd: “Now is the best chance they will have to resolve their Korean problem. A decade from now, when China has an aging population and the North Koreans have the ability to strike Beijing” China and Russia have allowed NK to pursue its Nuclear program because NK is aiming them at the US; they do not fear nukes being aimed at them. China is NK’s greatest ally. China only fears a flood of economic or wartime refugees over the Yalu. China’s aims are simple, to establish hegemony over Asia,… Read more »
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There really is no end to the sheer murderous evil of the American politicians, is there?

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ Bilejones – Give credit where it’s due. The Europeans were quite happy slaughtering every fuzzy-wuzzy they could find all around the world for centuries. Everyone should have their fair turn.

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This is what I would do if I were Trump. I would meet with Kim and attempt to determine if is indeed insane. If he is then we attempt to make friends with him. We pull all troops out of South Korea and do our best to get on his good side. If we can accomplish that goal, then Russia and China have to deal with a nuclear armed madman on their border. Let them deal with his insane demands for a change. NK is our problem only because of some strange twists in history, but it should be China’s… Read more »
Alzaebo
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Is this about the One Belt (New Silk Road)?

After their meeting, perhaps Ji asked the Don for help in ridding him of a difficult obstacle.

Trump gains face as the tough guy, Ji saves face as a competent leader, expanding Asian ties by trade. Making his bid to resurrect the Asian Tigers.

Both countries/regions benefit.
We hand off some of our Islamic mess to China, such as Pakistan, Burmese Rohingya, AfriCom.

This may be a job interview.
China may be willing to join the Great Powers club.

Bill+Robbins
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Once Rocket Man is gone, NK would fold. Either Rocket Man makes the decisions, or no one makes the decisions. China resists change because they do not want to be responsible for 40 million starving little people.

Jim
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Arguably, all we need to know about the North Korea situation: 1. If you think North Korea developed nukes and ICBMs by itself, you’re an idiot. Who helped them? 2. If they use a nuke, it will get blown up, likely in the bunker. What part of thr world will the fallout and refugees will that effect? 3. Last time Obama went to China, they didn’t even roll out the airplane stairs. They gave Trump a fete in the Forbidden City, a first in modern history for any foreign dignitary. Question: who’s shitting in this situation? Who will ‘fix’ this,… Read more »
Spud Boy
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I think it would take more like 72 seconds for the U.S. military to take out any artillery pointed at South Korea.

Karl McHungus
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The operation will start with a massive information campaign, using drones and other techniques to organize a revolt against the greedy incompetents running the place. Won’t be hard to get the army to stand down, and let the rabid dogs running the place get slaughtered from the air.

Member
Gulf Wars are a bad example. Saddam didn’t have operating nuclear weapons, maybe he fooled some people into believing he did (maybe he fooled himself too) but he didn’t. Iraq never detonated a atomic device. North Korea has, frequently. Saddams Scuds had to stretch to reach Israel. Kim’s ICBM’s can probably reach the west coast of the USA, though as yet, not with a warhead. But that is coming, soon. We wasted money and blood in Iraq, we (meaning the President) have a duty to protect the country (even the west coast, unfortunately) from any possible attack by NK. That… Read more »