The Other Trump Effect

One of the things that is true of the dissident right is that it was helped greatly by the collapse of libertarianism. Starting in the late 1980’s and into the 1990’s, right-libertarianism was a safe haven for temperamental conservatives to exist on the right, but also reject large parts of what was calling itself conservatism. The two most notable issues were the war on drugs and foreign policy. Most people were attracted to libertarianism because it was serious about small government and restrained foreign policy.

After the fiasco of the Bush years and the metamorphosis of the Left into a strange morality cult, libertarianism seemed ready to have its moment. The Ron Paul campaign of 2008 was probably the peak. While no one thought Paul could win, it certainly looked like he could break through and be a serious candidate. Then the New Hampshire primary happened, where he was able to get just eight percent of the vote. It was thought to be the ideal place for a guy running on libertarian ideas, but he bombed.

Talk to people in the alt-right and what you typically learn is they moved into dissident politics after the disappointment of the Ron Paul campaign. What they slowly figured out is that right-libertarianism was just a proxy for white identity politics. The sort of country imagined by Ron Paul could be nothing but a white country. Not only did it have no appeal to blacks, it could never be multi-racial. Put another way, if you want libertarian politics, you need libertarian people. Politics is down stream from culture and biology.

Left-libertarianism is just a beard for Progressivism, much in the same was conservatism is just window dressing for the prevailing orthodoxy. That’s something else you hear from alt-right people. Many passed through left-libertarianism, realized it was just low-tax liberalism, moved into right-libertarianism and finally race realism. This is a common story, even among Gen-X people who maybe started out as Buchanan supporters. They found the Ron Paul crowd the next best thing and moved into it in the 1990’s.

Something similar may be happening with Donald Trump. We’re seeing some new voices in the dissident right, guys like Josh Neal and Jefferson Lee, who have recently made the trip from the nether world of libertarian Trump supporter. There are a lot of people in the libertarian-conservative camp, who voted for Trump as the least worst option. These are the Flight 93 voters, who never really liked Trump, but saw him as an agent of change. He would break the old model of politics and usher in an era of reform.

A strong whiff of this is turning up in comment sections and social media, where people sympathetic to Trump are increasingly frustrated at the lack of progress. The overtly racial response to Trump from the orthodoxy has probably red-pilled more people than Jared Taylor has done in 30 years. The combined effect of Trump’s failures and the intensely racial response from his opponents, is having a similar impact on whites as the failure of Ron Paul libertarianism a decade ago. Disappointment is leading to discovery.

Inevitably, the Left had to make race and ethnicity central to their presentation, because it is explicitly a coalition of identity groups now. There is the Judeo-Puritan elite, ruling a collection of tribes based in ethnicity, race and selected perversions. There’s simply no way for the people at the top to rally their tribes without being explicitly racial. Even their anti-male rhetoric is obviously anti-white male rhetoric, which has always been an obvious war on white people. The elephant in the room is now visible to everyone.

The new blasphemy laws aimed at whites talking race is just a blunt force implementation of the old prohibitions against frank debates about race, but done so in a way to rally the tribes. On the one hand, the hope is they can stop the exodus of whites from both the Left and conventional conservatism, by anathematizing the subject. On the other hand, it is a useful way to rally the troops. The result, however, is that our politics are saturated in race and identity. Inevitably, whites are becoming race conscious.

That’s the other Trump effect. Most likely a Clinton or Bush presidency would have been another four years of more subtle race mongering. It’s hard to know, of course, but there certainly would not have been the panicked response from the orthodoxy if anyone else had won in 2016. It was the shock of Trump not only rumbling through the first line of defense and smashing the GOP, but then driving the populist tank into the middle of the Progressive camp. The response has revealed a lot that had been concealed.

What’s happening now is that the amorphous blob of whites variously called CivNats, Conservatarians, right-libertarians and BoomerCons, is waking up to the a hard reality that defines dissident politics. That is, the problem is not the people running the system, it is the system itself that is the problem. No open system can govern a multi-racial, multicultural empire. Liberal democracy is antithetical to multiculturalism. Voting will not change that reality. Something else must be done.

Just as many libertarians a decade ago realized that that you can only have libertarianism in a white society, many Trump people are learning something similar. The disillusionment with what is happening is leading many Trump supporters to doubt the institutions, rather than the people in them. You can have liberal democracy, orderly elections and the rule of law in an overwhelmingly white society. The lawless response to Trump and his policies is driving Flight 93 voters  into the camp of the dissident right.

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And yet nobody seems to be worrying about the collapse of white demographics: below replacement level fertility. You can’t get your white utopia until you have a fix for that. I don’t see one.

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Nothing wrong with a less crowded world, safer, cleaner, another rational response by the Ice Peoples. The worship of Growth at any cost is driven by paper debt. Interest rates should match population rates, but our economy is a fantasy based on making people move and buy junk to pay for unnecessary employment and speculation. Rootless ‘citizenship’ means we can’t settle down and form community, thus the waves of loneliness and loss of meaning. Glad to see Zman seperating left-libertarian Ru Pauls from right-libertarian Ron Pauls. Maybe he’ll hang them from seperate trees to keep things orderly! Meanwhile, Trump raises… Read more »

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Along with a shift of the non-cucked right toward recognizing that whites are targeted for their skin color more than their ideas, another cultural change is needed. It’s past time to junk a failing economic system based on growing population numbers in an already overpopulated world.

We need a steady-state economy for stable numbers instead of one that endlessly gobbles up more land and resources.

Won’t we then be overwhelmed by the rising tide of the welfare class and Third World migrants? No, if we stop enabling subcultures and countries to breed like fruit flies.

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One of the primary drivers of the ever growing population and economy religion is the need for the political filth to keep the peasantry believing in the Social Security ponzi scheme.

The lowering of wages and the destruction of the middle class- the most likely source of resistance, are highly desirable but secondary goals.

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Winning brings the baby boom.

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Winning what? A civil war with mass deportation is going to produce mass poverty and trauma not a baby boom at least for a period. This is fine as in time its self correcting and the new nation will achieve its property carrying capacity. Given how urban modernity is this uncharted territory, By and large once a certain level of development is reached and society becomes highly urban, fertility tends to decline. This isn’t going away and if it does you’ll still support less people . I suspect a healthy urban society has a TFR around 2 maybe a bit… Read more »

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Join the discussion…poverty brings fertility. no matter where you look the rich have no children , the middle class few and the poor many. I’m not saying it’s good , but it is absolutely a fact. compare the birthrate of rich Europe to poor Africa. rich USA to middle class mexico.

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if the US goes full on war it may be that there won’t be food to eat or enough stability for a healthy society And while I agree that its possible fertility rates could go up the nations of the former Yugoslavia which was quite recently in a civil war much like we’d face has a fertility level among the lowest in the world at 1.4 or lower ! Frankly a baby boom of traumatized stunted kids even if they are White isn’t better than what we have and is massively inferior to gradual repair. The reason our societies here… Read more »

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Any high infant mortality is usually tied to the health of the mother, who is an alcoholic or drug addict. Most of the decline in infant and mother mortality is due to low tech innovations like c-sections, post natal infant resuscitation, and listerism. These are available almost everywhere. Neonatal ICU’s bring the numbers up, but only incrementally.

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The TFR in Mexico was 2.18 in 2016 and might be lower now. That is a shade above replacement which is about 2.1 there Its a more healthy number though the US having a population of over 300 million is in need of less people not more. Mexican infant mortality rates are comparable to the US and immigration to that nation is pretty low so growth is probably from demographic momentum. This puts Mexican fertility a bit above that of Sweden which was 1.8 in 2016 As for Africa, the people there are so radically different than Westerners that you… Read more »

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I wonder if the birth rate correlates with who the parents expect to rely on in their old age. The poor cultures are more generational than the wealthy cultures – grandma lives with adult kids far more in the Hispanic families than the wealthy urbanites. Same is mostly true of rural blacks. Birth rates in Hispanics actually precipitously decline by the 2nd generation in America, though. The wealthy expect to take care of themselves in old age – and this is fine. However, the welfare state takes care of the poorer elderly and that is the primary problem with the… Read more »

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It’s a non-problem. A sleght-of-hand the globalists use to justify mass immigration.

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Exactly. If Europe *does* need “more people,” they at ALL times had the option of “recruiting” from North America and Australia, etc. That they did not is all you need to know about this subject.

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You don’t deserve so many downvotes for this comment even if it is a bit black pill The thing is low fertility is not a problem in a homogeneous society . An 85% or more White society is a still a White society with 1.6 TFR or 2.3 TFR Kick the foreigners out and keep them out and it self corrects Its also self correcting over long periods , several White groups (most L.D.S., The Amish and many Evangelicals) have well above average fertility. Give them a few decades and they’ll fix the situation. Also as fertility is highly correlated… Read more »

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“Deserve’s got nothing’s to do with it.” — Clint Eastwood

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We all have it coming kid.

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Japan. ——- Here’s a more detailed answer. 1. Whites are not going to out breed half the world. Billions of people would move to the United States or Europe if they could. I don’t care how high your birthrate, you’ll never overcome those numbers. 2. White birthrates very likely would rise in a white-only country for several reasons. First, it would be cheaper to live in a white-only country. Why? Because you wouldn’t have to buy your way out of NAMs. A primary reason housing in decent public school districts is so expensive is because you need to keep the… Read more »

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Trump’s arrival on the scene forced the people at Reason to drop their masks. In 2 years he’s done more good to their pet causes – lower taxes, deregulation, strict-constitutionalist Judges, better free-trade deals – than anyone since Calvin Coolidge. But they absolutely despise Trump because they are really just leftists getting paid to act like libertarians. Every full-timer there lives in DC, LA, or NYC. It’s comedy gold whenever one of them writes about a trip through America. I went from being a daily reader and regular commented on Reason 3 years to occasionally visiting to see how bad… Read more »

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As I’ve said on Sailer’s site, I dropped my subscription to Reason nine or ten years ago. The constant cheerleading for immigration was just too much for me.

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For a place that brags about having “Open Minds”, they are incredibly closed minded on the issue. They will cheerfully lie and manipulate data on the topic whenever it might help their arguments. Even now, they get called out on their BS in the comments and ignore it.

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Yep, that’s why I dropped Cato several years back—yet another featured author on open borders (also helps to live 50 miles from MX, so my perspective—unlike theirs—was informed).

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dump heritage too. and WSJ. WSJ is actively helping SPLC patrol youtube and twitter, reporting badthink.

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The neocon mask-dropping has been good, too. Trump looks like he’s going to be a dud as a political executive, but “the dropping of the masks” has been highly clarifying for whatever comes next.

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Exactly. We always knew that Trump was not going to save us–we’ll have to do that ourselves–and we also knew that he was at all times only a symptom, never a cause. He’s just riding a wave. And WE are the wave.

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And a few obsessive trolls who post so much, 24×7, they they couldn’t possibly be doing anything else with their lives (Hihn, Tony, etc), have turned the comments into a train wreck.

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I turned on tReason magazine when they did their pre-Iraq War II pro vs. con issue. How are lolbergs debating this insanity? Any real libertarian in 2002 knew it was going to be a typical government program—a total disaster!

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– lower taxes, deregulation, strict-constitutionalist Judges, better free-trade deals – than anyone since Calvin Coolidge. Oh My God….. That’s what Bush and Obama did last decade Who the one talking about Bank bailout in 2008 at first place – Obama Who the one talking about deregulation on gig economy(Uber, Airbnb) – Obama Obama actually lower tax to the rich people Only white working class got screw with Obama care, Section 8 housing All that trump and Republican talking about stock and tax cut, a hard-working American people which platform of republican party over century doesn’t work anymore since democratic party… Read more »

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My favorite part of the Trump phenomenon has been the awakening by a growing number of ordinary conservatives that the corporations are not their friend. The various Midwestern GOP state governments elected in the 2010 wave spent the last eight years handing out tax breaks to business. Not a single one of these governments did anything to mandate E-Verify. Perhaps for the Boomer generation they are too far gone. But the rest of us need to start dropping the word “nationalization” whenever Big Tech is mentioned in conversation.

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The left has had a field day when the lame duck GOP legislatures in Michigan and Wisconsin passed laws to kneecap the successor Dem Governor. The same GOP that refuses to do anything about demographic inundation will suddenly become race realist when it comes to gerrymandering. Outgoing Governor Snyder of Michigan and Rauner of Illinois were notorious boosters of mass immigration, even while the native whites were moving out and not having kids.

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You have bought into the Lefty line that the Wisconsin Leggies “Kneecapped” the incoming Social-Democrat governor. In fact, the duly-elected (R) legislature and duly-elected (R) governor codified long-existing government policy, mostly in non-partisan underbrush areas.

In Wisconsin, the REE REEE REEEEE of the MSM propaganda machine had no effect whatsoever.

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Appearance is ideology- RooshV

It does not matter the minutiae of the laws they passed, what matters is the narrative. NW Euro populations are particularly devoted to “fair play” (The Procedure), and the GOP violated that. Perhaps they would have better spent their time apologizing for the Foxconn deal. But their federal counterparts still can’t be bothered to apologize for Iraq, so that may be asking too much.

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It is Fair Play, of course, your trolling notwithstanding. Since the Republicans won 64 of 99 Assembly seats and 19 or 33 Senate seats in the ’18 election, it’s eminently fair–except to the professional revolutionaries who inform your “mind.”

I’ll take 10,000 new jobs for my children and grandchildren. You can take Honduras–which by recent accounts has lots of vacant houses.

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Walker had two terms with a GOP legislature where he could have mandated and enforced E-Verify. But “muh dairy farms” always had a way of ensuring that didn’t happen. And perhaps he could have read Paul Ryan the riot act on his Kempism.

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And tell Ron Johnson that he’ll be packing his bags soon with this kind of thinking. Gerrymandering can’t save him.

https://www.dailyherald.com/business/20180527/what-happened-to-e-verify-x2014-the-governments-popular-way-to-curb-illegal-immigration

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Scandinavia is proof that national socialism works, before it gets infected by the Poz.

National socialism, national capitalism, whatever- nation (Family) is the key word.

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If “working” means it hasn’t collapsed yet, then yes it might work. People do live a comfortable, protected, life—a life of mediocrity—for the most part. Everyone gets a free portion of health care, a smallish home or apartment, a free University education where they can learn their place in their utopic society. And I’ll admit, they claim to be happy with this for the most part. Here’s a challenge, take your Scandinavian social paradise countries and name one new multinational company or useful product that they have created in the last hundred years. I can’t think of any. That’s what… Read more »

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Nokia (which being Finnish is not “Scandinavian” but merely Nordic)

Ikea (founded by a tax-dodging Nazi)

Norway hasn’t invented much, but avoided the “resource curse” common to petro-states. They may have invented some oil tech that isn’t familiar to laymen like us.

Lego

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“Norway hasn’t invented much…”

Why, they invented the paper clip! Think where we might be without that!

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Oh, yes, I forgot Atlas-Copco.

dad29
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Perhaps you’ve heard of Husqvarna?

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
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And Electrolux.

Compsci
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My mother had Electrolux. That’s pre socialist paradise, as is Erickson, and the like.

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Skype, Mojang (Minecraft), Spotify.

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Most ordinary Americans would take that any day over our cut throat system where you have zero job security(your job can be replaced by foreigner or ship over seas at anytime, unless you’re part of the elite). Or where you have to work 2 jobs to make ends meet because your corporations keep importing foreigners to keep the wages down. Multinationals are plus. You mean like Apple, that uses Chinese slave labor to produce their “cool” products for a bunch of layabout, pot smoking scumbags? You do also realize we do very little in tech innovation any more. Silicon Valley… Read more »

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Rod, that’s true. It’s in the nature of human beings to select security rather than risk. But it’s risk that in the finally analysis that got us where we are today. There is no support from me wrt our mega gazillionaires that don’t give a hoot about the people they beggar on their way to fortune.

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It takes more than a decade, typically at least 16 years before women can easily and safely have children and start a family and that is on the low end, It was 18-20 for women and common in medieval times thought to be 30 for me do the need to gather enough resources These necessities prioritize security over risk. Risk is mostly bad and while there are areas where “faster please” is a good thing, medicine and life extension despite the dangers , on the whole anyone sane wants less risk hell if we had 1990’s economy and demographics I’d… Read more »

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Saab, Sako. Volvo and Bofors are all well known Scandinavian brands with global reach. As for multinationals., they are part of the problem nothing to be proud of. The vast cut of humanity is mediocre including most Americans. The Nordic system provides better outcomes for them less hunger, abject poverty, drug abuse and general misery. Its far from perfect or a utopia and functions only with with trust and low immigration . Its also its a bit of gilded cage but its highly functional in terms of heath and longevity, American rugged individualism means Whites in 97.5% White countries drop… Read more »

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” The Nordic system provides better outcomes for them less hunger, abject poverty, drug abuse and general misery.”

Thanks for the laugh.

Ever noticed the alcoholism and suicide rates?

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Fertility rates are comparable and maybe a bit higher among Whites in Sweden and life expectancy among White Swedes is four years greater than Americans

Its also not in decline unlike ours.

Contrary to what people on the Right want to believe, the system they chose works for them just fine.

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Tell that to the golden one and red ice

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Immigration is the issue there and a bit too much Leftism. Both are easily fix once the will is there,

The US OTOH likely cannot be fixed without mass killing of one side or another.

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“Ever noticed the alcoholism and suicide rates?”

Imagine how much higher they would be without the social safety net.

Living in northern climes where you hardly see the sun half the year is tough. Without the struggle for life it’s easy to become suicidal.

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Alaska is like this with endemic drug use and where drugs aren’t there, drinking. Its 2 years lower last i checked than the rest of the US, 8 lower for natives, Scandies outlive Americans by 4 years and have lower infant mortality and are healthier all their lives and better educated Our system doesn’t work for most And before talks about how much better off we are in the US, some of us are but many are not and unlike them have a continent sized nation and an empire to extract from They don’t This does not mean we could… Read more »

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Car companies were built before the socialist paradise was initiated.

A.B. Prosper
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G.M only lives because of a bailout. And note its not taxes,social spending or unions but wage arbitrage and the FIRE sector that’s killing the economy The only reason the US even function at all is government spending much of it left over great society stuff, 40% of GDP is State in one form or another Since wages can never go up baring a Black Death level event or a dictatorship banning automation and trade, the size of the government will grow You cant opt out, you can’t disenfranchise people and you can’t convince people less spending is better since… Read more »

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Saab came about the same time as did Ikea .

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Last time in Norway, had to watch where you walked. At least one park – outside a police station – was littered with used needles and their spaced out users.

The nordics are ruining their countries by immigration and and an excessive “safety net” that disincentivizes work.

Quite correct to note that the social welfare state fails when attempted in a heterogeneous society. Tragedy of the commons.

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I can’t think of any.

Ignorance is not an argument. Must google more.

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This argument is like saying the Museum sucks because it doesn’t have good food. Kinda missing the point that some nations prefer egalitè over libertè.

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Compsi, I often wonder why Denmark, one of the “happiest” countries in the world has a rate of alcoholism approaching 1 in 3 and a antidepressant market supplying 1 in 8. Medicated perhaps, happy,?

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Certainly but it requires Scandinavian or other high trust people and a homogeneous society Even if Magic Comet AH14W made the US entirely White, it wouldn’t work , we’d be all European but that includes tons of untrustworthy Whites and our history precludes trust. A nation of immigrants even European and the US was that is by nature one made up of grifters , misfits, non compliant jerks and kooks. These are not the sort of people able to sustain a long term Nat Soc state Now Roosevelt was able to do quite a lot but we aren’t in the… Read more »

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Socialism of any kind makes people weak, dependent and unable to defend themselves. The scandinavian countries only lasted so long because they were so far north. And it definitely did not work for WWII Germany.

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Rubbish. The USSR lasted 75 years and was able to conquer a good chunk of Europe. Had they been willing to use nukes they could have ended us at will. The NDSAP regime was insane but nation about 50% larger than Oregon conquered most of Europe for a time. Hell the NVA was able to run the US out of Vietnam and North Korea is still standing The US has a continent full of White people and an ocean as a border. Had we shared a border with either of these nations and has our current ethnic mix , good… Read more »

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Your line about disillusionment with institutions reminds me of a good observation that fixing corruption of people in high places would be better handled if we just remove the high places. I can’t remember the exact Sobran quote but to paraphrase with our times, I woke one day and realized I am no longer a libertarian. Of course that was always a name I could not call myself or a movement worth joining. Even the better ones like the Miseans or Rothbard types couldn’t persuade me. Liked their antiwar stance though. Sailer has Senator Pocahontas on his blog speaking to… Read more »

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That’s an argument I have made continually – in part because the problem of “fixing” the people who inhabit those high places – is an unsolveable problem (based on historical example). The founders of this country took that tact on things IMHO, they said the Federal government should only be responsible for a constrained list of things – and the rest were simply not the purview of the government and needed to get handled in some other way. The left constantly makes an argument based on this logic – when they try to take away guns. They’re essentially arguing that… Read more »

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Heh. Bit of an anarchist, aren’t you? I sympathize.

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If the dick lickers had no dicks to lick – then dick licking wouldn’t be such a big issue – would it? Far too many people are sycophants and worship power. I say eliminate the God so I don’t have to listen to the rantings and ravings of all the followers. White men have proven they can run an orderly society without being subjected to a boot on their neck. If the price of an orderly society – WITHOUT a boot on my neck – is the elimination of “diversity” – as well as things like universal suffrage (or female… Read more »

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Anyone who thought Trump was a panacea was fooling themselves. The right needs to divest itself from this idea that some person, some event is going to happen and suddenly we will win. That isnt the case and this weird millennialism on the right is an obstacle to putting in the long, hard and tedious work of organising and building towards victory. Rightwing Maoism (for lack of a better term)…slowly building alternatives while working to undermine the current system is the answer. Trump was one man, without any political history or network of allies. The fact he can get anything… Read more »

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Can’t speak for everyone who voted for him, but I never saw Trump as a panacea. I saw him as a wrecking ball that would demolish a condemned building (whether by his own action, or by his opponents’ reaction).

It’s like Z-man read my life over the past 20 years in this post.

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Agree

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Trump’s election has shown who really runs the country and what they will do to stay in power. His win shocked the governing alliance of the globalist managerial class and federal apparatchiks into a panic. If a guy nominally sympathetic to the Dirt People somehow got elected president, it meant that their control wasn’t as tight as they thought. Their response is to stage a coup against Trump and rig things so the wrong person can never be elected again. We’ll never vote ourselves out of the present fix. 63,000,000 people have been offered red pills in the process and… Read more »

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Yes, indeed. Off the top of my head, Trump’s presidency has red pilled the following for me: Rep’s and Dem’s are two sides of the same coin (some exceptions noted), this inevitably leads to the “Deep State” and the other “gray” people who are really running the show, the news media at the national *and* local level are propaganda arms of the State (a few notable exceptions here as well), corporations—especially the more recent large tech companies, are also in bed with the Deep State. Now perhaps I’m just slow and even stupid, but the above was never completely apparent… Read more »

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What we’ve gotten in the last two years ago is the opening leg of the “Find, Fix, Finish” trifecta. Can’t move on to steps 2 and 3 without flushing them all out. At least they’ve been accommodating in figuratively sky lining themselves.

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There was something else working too, I think.

Recall that the Great Maskdropping was already underway *before* Trump became a leading R candidate. IMO The Great Election Rigging of 2016 was already underway, the elites knew it, and thought HRC was a lock.

Oops. Dirt people threw a curve.

Everything since has been a hurried coverup, and a lashing out at the dirt people.

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the metamorphosis of the Left into a strange morality immorality cult

Fixed it for ya.

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I’m still a structured liberty, limited government, constitutional order kind of guy. My formulation is this: experience shows that it’s extremely difficult to maintain a limited, constitutional government in a nation of a substantially homogeneous population. Experience also shows that it’s completely impossible to maintain that limited, constitutional government in a diverse polyglot country. Better to err on the side of homogeneity, not diversity.

We’ll have another wave of former libertarians crossing the river after the new NY AG indicts Trump.

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I think one of the biggest contributions the president has given us is revealing the media for what it is = fake news. Years ago a young black girl was shot to death sitting on a mailbox . The media started howling about local governments inability to protect citizens in depressed neighborhoods. The backstory was she was look-out for a local gang dealing drugs. Not saying she deserve to be shot to death just that she was not completely innocent and obviously lacked decent parental supervision. No one would know this unless you worked on the case or spoke with… Read more »

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They don’t realize it, but Trump is the last best hope for the establishment. Reform or revolution?

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With the nation as brittle was it is exterminatus is another option and leaving the few survivors to figure out what the successor States will be like

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The discontent is universal and not solely a feature of any particular race or ethnicity. It exists because we all possess an innate understanding that the current path of society is leading the bulk of us toward weakness and fragility. We are becoming less fit and using the prop of government handouts to avoid taking the hard decision to force fitness upon ourselves. The enemy is not bad or misguided political leadership, it’s the present environment that coddles and pampers us with an easy life devoid of any real hardships.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
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Nunnya Bidnez, jr.

“…an easy life devoid of any real hardships.”

Kaczynski’s thesis was that
Man needs a challenge
that isn’t too easy to achieve,
and also isn’t impossible to achieve.
It has to be just right,
otherwise Man will either be bored, or frustrated.

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
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Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman

And just in the nick of time comes the current Grand Solar Minimum.

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The Maunder Minimum could be a game changer.

A.B. Prosper
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A.B. Prosper

For most of history, human life was at the whim of the Gods and Nature and everyone was a hunter gatherer or later a farmer.

What does this tell us?

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

“..we all possess an innate understanding that the current path of society is leading the bulk of us toward weakness and fragility” Blacks and Hispanics have never been more optimistic about the direction of the country. Don’t assume everyone has the same inner world as you. Only Europeans make that assumption.

Based Millennial
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Based Millennial

A lot of these changes in liberalism are due to rapid changes in technology and the temptation to Utopianism. The dissident right should have less as its focus trying to get back to a mythological age and more of adapting timeless conservative principles to modern technology.

dad29
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Umnnhhhh…..

Since Trump is clearly NOT a racist and has also openly appealed (to some success) to blacks and Hispanics who are US citizens, I think your thesis here is flawed.

In fact, Trump’s non-racism is what frightens the Left, as their racist history (since at least the Civil War) is now exposed, as you state.

IOW, Trump is attempting to unite the country across racial lines, something which would lead to a collapse of support for the Left. Similarly, Trump has not shown animus toward sexual minorities except in the minimum case of banning taxpayer-financing of tranny surgeries through military membership.

DeBeers Diamonds
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DeBeers Diamonds

How is it that people come here and still make these Dinesh-tier takes? Trump has a personal flaw of being gullible to anyone that gives him effusive praise, while harshly attacking his critics. The sycophantic black hustlers that he surrounds himself with are in it for themselves. Meanwhile he ripped sportsballers that have folk hero status across racial lines among youth. And lets not forget the Birtherism and aeons old support for “tough on crime”. The Talented Tenth surely remembers this. Even crowing about lower black unemployment is clueless, their rate is still above 5%. And putting people into the… Read more »

dad29
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You have swallowed flagons of Lefty propaganda, my friend. Trump attacks jackwads who are flagrantly un-patriotic. As to ‘tough on crime,’ are you suggesting that blacks and hispanics are in FAVOR of crime?

The ‘birtherism’ got exactly what Trump wanted: publicity.

Your cynicism exceeds your common sense. That’s dangerous..

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dad29 wrote: “As to ‘tough on crime,’ are you suggesting that blacks and hispanics are in FAVOR of crime?” If DD won’t, I will. At the very least, they both are willing to tolerate much higher crime rates than whites and resent it when whites try to enforce the law on their unruly “bodies.” Let us get one bit of reality clear: “Tough on Crime” rhetoric and action is a euphemism for “keep the savages on a leash and fouling their own neighborhoods.” Rather than running wild and destroying decent white neighborhoods. Note that “Tough on Crime” rhetoric grew after… Read more »

dad29
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Well, either Trump is “tough on crime,” OR he’s going to sign the “Reform of Sentencing” bill. Take your choice.

I agree with you that much of the “tough” rhetoric had to do with establishing a red-line. Now, that “tough” stuff is mouthed by Democrat mayors who realize that their tax-base will be zero, zip, nada, in about 10 years or less.

Dupont Circle
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Dupont Circle

Yes, like Martin O’Malley, mayor of Baltimore just before the blacks destroyed it. O’Malley, as far as I know, has not suffered for his complicity at all. So apparently the lesson is you can destroy a city (or county, state or country, maybe even corporation) and avoid the consequences – as long as you appease the human rights god.

Dupont Circle
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Dupont Circle

https://technical.ly/dc/2016/05/06/martin-omalley-metrolab-network/

“Leaders of the MetroLab Network cite O’Malley’s experience with CitiStat and StateStat among his qualifications. CitiStat and StateStat are, respectively, city- and state-level data management systems in Maryland that O’Malley implemented when he was Mayor of Baltimore and then governor.”

MetroLab-Network’s new Senior Fellow, Martin O’Malley.

After wrecking something they just move on to an NGO.

A.B. Prosper
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A.B. Prosper

I suspect that our ritualized justice system unconsciously seems weak and stupid to them. Their justice is simple, guy wrongs you, beat him or cap his ass, There isn’t a color bar on this kind of thing, most Whites lived under these systems pre modernity and while many periods had more complex systems, often as not in practicality came to a beating, blade or noose anyway. This does not allow for a complex society but a lot of people including the usual grifters and child labor for the kitty litter mine libertarians hate complexity except as they can explicit it

DeBeers Diamonds
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DeBeers Diamonds

There’s a strong undercurrent among blacks/hispanics that crime is a tax that whites have to pay when “social justice” isn’t coughed up. The small brain take is “the stuff in the stores is insured”. Obviously they don’t like crime when their own community is victimized, but they hesitate to report to the (white) police, preferring informal mediators. Read Sudhir Venkatesh: Gang Leader for a Day.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
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Nunnya Bidnez, jr.

An acquaintance of mine, a middle-aged Dominican, a religious person even, used to roll on the drug dealers in his neighborhood (Jamaica Queens NYC).
He felt he was a victim of the crime the dealer brought into his neighborhood, yet he was also a purveyor of crime because he dealt with the dealer extra-legaly.
—> Situational Ethics. <—

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It was Trump’s implicitly pro-white civic nationalist rhetoric that gets lefty ruffled. They care not a white for yet another white guy abasing himself at the altar of duh-versity.

Saml Adams
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Saml Adams

Have to defend elements of your thesis here. Been ringside to Trump here in NYC since the early 90s and know some people remarkably close to him. He’s got a truck load of personality faults, but he will deal with anyone and really never appeared to give a crap what race they were or anything else. My old man was a developer in S. Florida and came from a dirt poor background. Was never around a single minority growing up. He loved the business, loved making deals, most of his partners were Cuban, he loved them because they loved making… Read more »

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Babe Ruthless

Yeah, I bet a lot of our guys are still kind of libertarians on the inside. It’s just that we used to believe that you could install the libertarian software onto non-white hardware. People are starting to realize you can’t. I think a lot of guys focused on the software battle just because it was easier. But now we’re on Flight 93. No easy way out. “Comment sections and social media … new blasphemy laws … no open system can govern…” It’s so obvious that few explicitly comment on it, but without the internet our thing wouldn’t be possible. But… Read more »

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Eric Holder called white America cowardly for not engaging in an “honest discussion about race”. I think a lot us us would like to have that discussion now, although Holder would not like what he hears.

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I get honest discussions on race all the time and have for decades. Just not what they would like to hear and probably won’t because people don’t want their lives ruined.

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

The “honest discussions about race” are only allowed to go one way.

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For many people like me, libertarianism was a way to show displeasure at the Republican party. After years of voting Republican with the promise of smaller government and only getting larger government in return, voting Libertarian seemed like a principled way to express your anger at the GOP. In my case especially living in a solidly, safely red state (IN), I could vote for that pothead Gary Johnson since my state would go Republican regardless. Something happened in 2016 and left-libertarianism, or what I prefer to call Beltway Libertarianism, completely took over the national scene. Now we get open borders… Read more »

Drake
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Drake

They really can’t understand that the millions of Central American peasants they want to import will vote for commies and all the free shit they offer.

A.B. Prosper
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A.B. Prosper

For this people cheap labor now is more important than anything including but not limited too safety, running water, electricity and not having epidemics

Chaotic Neutral
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Chaotic Neutral

Why is it that a third option or independent always splits the republican vote, and I suppose similarly on the left with Nader in 2000? Perot, Buchanan both supposedly hurt the republicans. I think it is some sort of scare tactic to keep us within the margins; if you vote your heart, the other side will win. So i propose we weaponize this against the left by forming a third sham party called Hyper Pinko. Basically replicate the platform of sanders with a hard line on gay marriage and transsexuals. That could split the democratic vote. All money collected could… Read more »

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Basically replicate the platform of sanders with a hard line on gay marriage and transsexuals.

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but that’s already the “mainstream” left’s platform — and the present reality. Gay marriage is a done deal and being openly anti-trans is a career-killer in corporate America.

Yves Vannes
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That the proggies do most of our recruitment makes things easier.

On the flip side we wait passively for our fellow tribesmen to come knocking at our door.

At some point we’ll need to take a more active role.

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

I’m looking forward to the Democratic primary season when any white male interested in running for president as a Democrat will find out he’s the wrong race and wrong gender. They’re going to be very open and vocal about running a person of color, and probably a female person of color (Kamala Harris?). The anti-whiteness will be off the charts, which will be a prime opportunity to get more white, working class democrats to our side.

Chaotic Neutral
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Chaotic Neutral

Yeah, to me that’ll be the most interesting thing about the next cycle: the democratic primary. Will sanders play a role, or someone with his faction? Hillary again? Or some Biden like figure?

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

I can see it now if Sanders, Hillary or Biden decide to run: “Old and White.” From now on, it’s all about diversity and vibrancy and the Ocasio-Cortezness for the Party of the Ascendant.

Nori
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Nori

Unless some deus ex machina descends to fix our fraudulent voting system, it will be vibrantly diverse marxists winning everywhere,every time, from here on out.

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fix how? If removing the franchise doesn’t include women than no go.

Nori
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Nori

“The Reforms of Z-man” from Dec 13 mentioned universal suffrage as a no-go, among many other excellent ideas.
He neglected to consider deus ex machina, a simple oversight,no doubt.

Chaotic Neutral
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Chaotic Neutral

She’s a bellwether. In 20 years there will be many like her.

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Yeah it’s weird that when they have the choice of the two big losers from this cycle they’re choosing Beta O’Rourke over Stacey Abrams

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Rod1963

There is no way the Dems can run a white man or old white hag like Hillary. Kamala and her ilk are the face of the new Democratic party, virulently anti-white and proud of it, very anti-male, very pro LBLTQZX.

It will be something when Kamala and some other brown skins are on stage arguing whose more anti-white, pro open borders, etc.

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Being from Boston you may be underestimating the “progressive” mindset, BECAUSE she is black and a woman you have to vote for her, otherwise you’re a racist/sexist.

Issac
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Issac

I’ll do you one better for the meta narrative. Trump is waking up the non-neoliberals to the fact that the average human is so hide-bound by materialism and normalcy bias that they will never meaningfully oppose neoliberalism. Although the higher IQ races are less disposed to this, they who succumb are still in the majority. The end is not neigh, but anyone with eyes and ears not closed by neoliberalism can enjoy a fairly predictable run of things into the forseeable future.

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Just to clarify:

Romantacism is young people committing suicide after reading Goethe’s “The Sorrows of Young Werther.”

Enlightenment is convincing other people to commit suicide after reading the “Sorrows of Young Wurther.”

Conservatives are neither Romantics nor enlightened. Conservatives just want to hunt and fish.

Roe vs. Godzilla
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Roe vs. Godzilla

The early-to-mid 1970s makes for an interesting test case in a lot of purviews regarding culture and politics: what are the relations, and what are the realistic possibilities. Take culture. Let’s start with literature. Around 1973 or so, White writers published novels like “Gravity’s Rainbow” and “Jonathan Livingston Seagull.” The first was a sort of proto-omniscient meditation on the intertwining of heavy industry, psychological research, the inertia of institutional culture, sexual abnormality, the abnegation of human will, and how it all came together in a gigantic civilizational spit-ball to create first, World War Two and then, the nuclear menace. The… Read more »

wholy1
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wholy1

I like “Z’s” analysis/literary acumen but, this “labeling hokas-pokas” is gone beyond even the likes of Bill “O’REALLY”.

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It was Ron Paul’s 2012 run where the GOP machine with Romenycare crushed and did worse where it became clear. 2008 was a trial run. 2012 proved you needed a Trump.

Trump is the civitas maximus. What SeiveGnats can hope to achieve, and he was quagmired by Mueller and the swamp, including Paul Ryno. The price of crushing the anklebiters would be his second term.

Random Dude on the Internet
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Random Dude on the Internet

This is a great article but let’s see how the dissident right ranks swell when Trump inevitably loses the wall funding fight. The last opportunity to get the wall built is just a few short days away. If he can’t get it done by the 21st, it’s over for him. No wall means no re-election. Some will just give up and go home, some will keep up the faith, and some are going to realize that Trump is not enough and the solution lies further to the right. If Pelosi and Schumer were smart enough, they would let Trump have… Read more »

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You can’t lose a fight if you don’t fight. Trump doesn’t care about the wall except as a campaign issue

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I keep seeing people on the dissident right state that we will never vote ourselves out of this which is probably true. However, they seem to live in a fantasy world that there is another viable solution. This usually translates into a fantasy about revolution and a dictatorship. Not only are revolutions very violent there is no guarantee that the right side will win. In fact given that the way right of center whites tend to practice conflict avoidance (and just buy guns) and all the institutions are controlled by the other side, the odds are we will lose a… Read more »

Random Dude on the Internet
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Random Dude on the Internet

I don’t think anyone can accurately predict if/when the whites fight back. Take the yellow vest riots. Who would have predicted that a fuel tax was the straw that broke the camel’s back? Now one of the High Priests of Globalism is at risk of losing his position. Conversely, there is South Africa. Lots of rape, lots of murder, and the remaining whites are still there like cattle waiting to get slaughtered by an increasingly hostile population. I used to speculate when the breaking point will hit. In France, it happened about a month ago. In South Africa, it hasn’t… Read more »

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Good examples of France and South Africa. The French have a long tradition of taking it to the streets to oppose policies they don’t like. The South Africans willingly turned over the government to communists who want to destroy them. What is the disconnect between the two countries now? They are both true to form including the French not prioritizing their own survival

Stina
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Stina

That is, the problem is not the people running the system, it is the system itself that is the problem. On the subject of FGM vs Circumcision, I said the point to draw that line is at the border. Beyond that, our constitution is not set up to allow one practice and disallow another. Open border libertarians who claim legal entry to the US does not need to include voting rights are naive or lying – our system does not allow for permanent disenfranchisement. At some point, it would be found unconstitutional. We decide who we are at the borders.… Read more »