Post-Modern Awakening

Religious awakenings or re-awakenings are common in human civilizations, particularly in the West. They manifest themselves in different ways, but the root is always a sense that society has lost its way and strayed from the moral path. When enough people come to this conclusion, a cascade preference begins and a mass movement forms to start the return to that moral path. It may be a restoration of the old faith or it can be the rise of a reform movement. Of course, it can also be the start of a new religion entirely.

Social cycle theory holds that a return to the old faith, maybe tuned for the age, is part of the end phase of society. The beliefs that were part of the young culture, but faded away in the middle age of the people, makes a comeback of sorts in the winter of the culture. It’s not nostalgia driving the revival, but a sense that the thing that inspired the best years of the people has been lost. The religious revival we have seen in the Islamic world is a good example. They are trying to recapture a lost golden age.

In the English speaking world, particularly America, another religious phenomenon has been observed. The Great Awakening was a series of Christian revivals that swept Britain and the colonies in the 18th century. It was the emergence of Anglo-American evangelicalism within the Protestant churches. While considered a singular event, historians have noted that America has undergone subsequent revivals, where a blend of strong social activism and religious revival sweep the nation.

An argument made here, from time to time, is that the spasms of Progressive activism we have seen over the last century are an extension of this cycle. The New Deal was more than just about political reform or addressing the economic crisis. After the war, a period of relative social harmony led to the great cultural upheavals of the 60’s and 70’s, which were clearly spiritual, as well as political. These were no longer explicitly Christian, but “Judeo-Christian”, reflecting the new composition of the elite.

These periods of social activism are described as revolutions, as if they are led by plucky outsiders trying to ignite change in a resistant society. In reality, these efforts, including the current spasm we are experiencing today, are top-down and within the ruling elite itself. If you look at these movements, going back to the Great Awakening, you see they are not led by outsiders. Instead, they were led by people of high status, who first sought to reform the top of society, then society as a whole.

The political face of the New Deal, for example, was the result of an intellectual competition within the ruling elite of America. It was argued between the radicals, who embraced ideas from the old world, versus those who embraced the uniquely American sense of social reform. If you go back and read the early Progressives, many salted their language with Christian references that only a believer could grasp. The Left became anti-Christian, but it has its roots in the 19th century evangelicalism.

The other side to these spasms of social reform and spiritual awakening is a militarism that sees itself as missionary work. America’s involvement in the Great War was due, in part, to Progressives like Theodore Roosevelt casting it as a moral duty. “Making the world safe for democracy” is not a practical goal. It is a religious aim. Similarly, the fight against fascism was seen and is still seen, as a moral crusade. Of course, the neoconservative effort to democratize the Muslim world was a spiritual crusade.

These spasms of religiosity, spiritualism and social activism, within the context of Christian belief, had some built in limits. Within the Christian context, utopianism could be avoided, as that contradicts Christian dogma. By the 20th century, however, American elites were losing their Christianity. The arrival of Jewish intellectuals in the early 20th accelerated the secularization of the elite. As a result, the Progressive spasm of the 60’s and the current one, was and is anti-Christian and utopian.

This lack of a limiting principle in the “new religion” of the ruling class, and that’s what multiculturalism is when you think about it, inevitably leads to excess. The 60’s ended with excessive drug taking, social unrest and pointless terrorism. This current spasm appears to be burning itself out in mindless self-destruction, assaults on reason and self-mutilation. The race to stake out the most extreme position leads to an embrace of increasingly self-destructive behaviors by the people leading the revival.

Getting back to social cycle theory, where Spengler and others may have gone wrong is in their scope. Perhaps what we are seeing in America with these revivals is the end of a cultural phase, rather than the culture as a whole. The New Deal era closed the door on the post-Civil War period. The cultural revolution of the 60’s closed the door on the New Deal consensus. This current spasm is closing the door on the New Left consensus that defined the late Cold War and post-Cold War period. This the end, not the beginning.

The question then is what comes next. There’s not much in the way of intellectual development, in terms of moral philosophy or political philosophy, on either side of the Progressive order. The liberals are mostly shrieking primitives, defending their privileges from anything they see as a threat. The conservatives are just a nostalgia cult, telling each other stories about Reagan and Bill Buckley. Their beloved principles are just a map to a room off to the side where they can reminisce about the old days.

Baring some revolution at the top, whatever comes next for America after this awakening is going to be external to it. Perhaps that is what we’re seeing with the various dissident movements percolating in the West. With the fading of the American empire, new ideas are springing up at home and abroad. At some point, a new moral framework will coalesce to challenge the brittle dying orthodoxy. Alternatively, maybe what comes next is a new dark age. Perhaps this Progressive spasm the last one before the lights go out.

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Reading about the end of the world is always a sunny start to a wet dreary Monday. I live about 90 miles north of Lagos and it is a lovely day!

Doppelbadger
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LOL, sometimes I also wonder why I look forward to the daily doom and gloom so much.

Thinking about it, I realize that I’m just grateful that there is someone else out there who is still connected to reality. Sometimes I think “am I really the only one seeing this shit?” and feel like I’m going crazy.

Now that one has to play-act based on a phony version of the world in political life and increasingly at the office, too, it heartens me to know that there are still a few members of the Reality Club left.

pimpkin\'s nephew
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There are tens of millions of us in the Reality Club. But we’re atomized and feckless, and our oppressors are not. We don’t speak ‘truth to power’ but they certainly speak ‘power to truth.’ And they’re winning every day, on every front, exploiting weapons and tools unavailable to 20th century tyrants, a witches’ brew of technology, social science, and massive wealth. They might be stopped – as the Martian invaders were stopped in ‘The War of the Worlds’ – by some deus ex machine like a virus, but they won’t be stopped by us.

A.B. Prosper
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A.B. Prosper

This isn’t entirely true for a number of reasons but rather than go there let me say this. The perception of this failure is entirely our fault. Modern technology is far more democratic than you might think and most of the people on team reality are pretty smart. Our own social inability to obey orders outside of the police and military and barely that , feckless individualism , lack of adherence to any authority even religious and lack of any way to convince ourselves that we can make a better society dooms us Quoth The Big Lebowski Nihilists, Fuck me.… Read more »

pimpkin\'s nephew
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pimpkin\'s nephew

I like Walker Percy’s resolution to the question of suicide. Hear me out on this. His thesis is sound. You find yourself looking at the total situation, and the idea of suicide crops up again and again, not as an emotional response to circumstances but, in fact, a rational response. We here at the Z blog celebrate rationality. Suicide is a logical, rational reaction to your situation. Rather than killing yourself – this is the Percy recommendation – you just declare yourself dead, and start over again. You are an ‘ex-suicide’. The sun shines, breakfast is good, and you are… Read more »

Yves Vannes
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I prefer retroactive abortions for those who drove us to this point.

A.B. Prosper
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A.B. Prosper

That’s a lot like Stoicism 2019 edition and its the greatest life hack known for men. I’m imperfectly stoic myself, I do my best to mix a little Buddhism and Stoicism with Traditionalism The Stoic way is a very good way to live though no doubt if it became the default for productive men, consumer society would freak out harder than they already do with MGTOW That said I don’t feel despair about the whole thing as its not on me to solve the problems . All I can do is my part which is in my clumsy way is… Read more »

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I’m 60 miles south of you and it’s pissing down,
Closer to the Imperial Capital.

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Gulp. Hm..stock market 500 pts down, then read Z. Hm…brittle dying orthodoxy…whatever we have is dying….new dark age….lights going out…Ebola spreading in Congo. Quiver! Mostly prepped up and ready to go. Wish we had a 1950’s truck though. Feet and bicycle have to do. Note to self: take more walks. Break time…See you tomorrow. Southern Utah gorgeous today…..blue sky… green mountains rising behind my house…75 degree high on flats. Packing a picnic lunch, heading up the plateau to 10,000 feet. Will look for some critters, maybe a few marmots, check out the spring bloom, enjoy Cedar Breaks, look for interesting… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Range, you got to see the Heights, and may see the Fall.
A child of the epic Golden Age!

They will speak of us for 10,000 years.

A.B. Prosper
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A.B. Prosper

Maybe. Or maybe we’ll be as forgotten as the Minoans and remembered only in myths if at all.

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Hi Alzaebo.Had a grand day on top of the world at 10,000 ft. Conjured up 2 herds of deer, a fat waddly marmot, a pleasant mountain shower, and….my buck antelope I was hoping to see. He was so engrossed nibbling tender grass and I was so quiet, he got within 15 feet just nibbling along. I sat for 10 minutes and studied the buck guy, starting to shed, and how an antelope has thin lips and a small rapid nibble. Sweet! Damn…don’t know how to post the picture I took. I say all this girl nonsense and piffle to inspire… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Bile, you must be making the Woke Gods cry. Or maybe the angels.

Kamel
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Kamel

The new moral framework you mentioned will be the Noahide Laws.

Have A Cigar
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Dude, it’s not cricket to make a cryptic pronouncement like that and then just waltz away with no further elaboration. Some people don’t know what you’re referring to, others do but have multiple conflicting opinions of the significance. Can you tell us what you, individually, mean by this?

Kamel
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Kamel

Original comment was just a prediction. No other alternative moral framework has more traction right now. See Noahide.org and NoahideOnline.com.

Another Dave
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Another Dave

The overwhelming majority of people in the U.S. have no idea what the Noahide Laws are, and most won’t care in the least if it was explained to them.

pimpkin\'s nephew
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pimpkin\'s nephew

We need a ‘new moral framework’ because the ‘old moral framework’ we inherited from our ancestors requires too much actual morality from us.

Surely there can be some ‘constitutional convention’ of the soul – some new moral system, based, naturally, on sound science – that allows us to not lose sleep over our daily compromises with what we know to be a world of lies.

A.B. Prosper
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A.B. Prosper

How about a framework not rooted in Middle Eastern thought for a change.? Is not a lack of moral effort anyway but using a moral code built for a past people and way of living We live in cities now , most of us have jack in common with the means of production and we have immediate global communication and rapid travel . Even our poor can have access to tech that provides phenomenal wealth We may not keep this but if we do, we can’t keep assuming old moral systems will work in that environment . They clearly do… Read more »

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Z man:

I’ve always thought one of your most interesting observations is that the progressives are merely repackaged Puritans from New England. To a fairly large extent, that appears correct.

Just a heads up, I hope you have back ups and alternative plans available given that Chateau Heartiste was just deplatformed on WordPress last week. Scary times man, make sure all your great stuff is backed up and ready to go somewhere else!

Steve
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Steve

He has discussed this before — he uses WordPress software, but hosts his site himself, so they don’t have the ability to deplatform him.

Nori
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Nori

Z reached out to Heartiste via Gab right after the deplatforming with sound advice on a way forward.
Nuking the Chateau was a big tactical blunder by the TechLords & Ladies. It got a lot of attention and only proves the points that CH and Z make regularly.

Tech has become the wicked stepmother gazing into the mirror,mirror on the wall seeing only fairness. The reality is they’re staring at Dorian Gray.

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

I don’t read his stuff but Roosh V was banned from Chase WePay, which, apparently, he used for selling tickets to his tour stops. Getting kicked off of Facebook or Twitter is one thing, not being allowed to use credit cards or accept credit cards, get a loan or have a bank account is quite another.

FinTech is the real danger.

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Roosh V isn’t the only one. That tactic has been used against other conservative activists and against gun dealers.

If it goes much farther, I expect violence. Getting kicked off social media is one thing. Finding that “no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name” is quite another.

Calsdad
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This is why – when you hear “conservatives” say that they’re fine with the efforts to eliminate cash in favor of “electronic transactions” – they need to get a good swift kick in the nuts.

The stupidity of some people who should know better really never ceases to amaze me.

King Tut
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“…when you hear “conservatives” say that they’re fine with the efforts to eliminate cash in favor of “electronic transactions” – they need to get a good swift kick in the nuts.”

Don’t disagree but it means monitoring them 24/7 because “conservatives” say they’re fine with EVERYTHING.

Calsdad
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Calsdad

Kicking them in the balls at least gives them something else to think about for a brief period of time. Do it enough – and maybe they finally get the hint and pre-emptively shut themselves up before saying stupid things and just mindlessly agreeing. Either way I’m a full fledged believer that the world simply does not work correctly unless pain is inflicted for stupidity. More to your point: It’s also a good topic to use to call out people who align themselves as conservative – while supporting everything that is not. Having a means of exchange that is at… Read more »

SidVic
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SidVic

I thank God everyday for the 2nd amendment and Cash.

pimpkin\'s nephew
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pimpkin\'s nephew

You’re right. If I can own guns and pay cash for stuff, I’m still fundamentally a free man.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

The Mark- the thoughts in your head, the work of your hand.

The Babe
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The Babe

If anyone wants to help Chateau Heartiste save his old articles, I’ve noticed that if you subscribe to the WordPress “reader” after making a creator account, that Heartiste’s posts are all still available in that internal reader at WordPress.

Member

Ever looked at something like this?

Maybe we should be doing this to/for the Zman.

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Chateau Heartiste is coming back right? He’ll get a new server? I miss it so much. He’s been radio silent on Gab

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Per Dutch: google, oops, duckduckgo “Chesapeake” and “Lagos”, that we may find one another.

Hun
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Hun

“I’ve always thought one of your most interesting observations is that the progressives are merely repackaged Puritans from New England.”

That observation comes from Moldbug, not Z-man

Hoyos
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Hoyos

I think it’s a mistake to view the revivals as “cultural” or “political” movements primarily. Jonathan Edwards may have been an “elite”, but as far as we can tell, his motivations were genuinely religious. The revivals by and large really were authentically religious. John Wesley wasn’t an “elite” and indeed suffered for his revivalism and he’s not the only one. The “religious” nature of progressivism was usually the result not of a revivalist, broadly orthodox Christianity, but of FORMER revivalist, broadly orthodox Christians. It was men with Christian software, but less faith in actual Jesus Christ. Some exceptions of course… Read more »

Rogeru
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Rogeru

The trick is discerning who’s sincere and who’s not before they gain influence.

Hoyos
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Hoyos

That’s why actually enforcing doctrinal orthodoxy is important, of course it’s not foolproof (the Pharisees were doctrinally orthodox right up till they weren’t). But the Bible itself is clear that if some things are denied, such as the Incarnation, kick the guy out, he’s not one of you. If we just pushed out the actual, open, persistent, and confessed heretics, we’d have 80% of the problem licked. It may not be enough but it’d be a start.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Remember, the Bible was a secret manual for the elite. They even had to learn dead languages to read it, a winnowing process.

Then Gutenberg invented the printing press; only then did it become the encyclopedia to create a literate civilization. The White World fireworks were lit.

Hoyos
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Hoyos

It really wasn’t though. Translations were happening from the very beginning, originally the NT was in koine Greek, intelligible, later translated into Latin while that was the dominant language, even early Gothic translations. Not undercutting the importance of Gutenberg for widespread literacy, but reading the Bible as “secret manual for the elite” doesn’t seem accurate if I understand what you mean by it.

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I have always though that we were seeing a mutated great awakening in the USA. Its no mistake that this also tracks with the the spasm of religious extremism elsewhere. What comes next? Tyranny and decay. With no fresh ideals to unify the polygot mess they have created, the elites will simply exercise power and privilege while the victors of the culture war loot and rape. It will be a few generations before a fresh set of ideals arises and new coalitions form.

pimpkin\'s nephew
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pimpkin\'s nephew

This sounds right to me. The last, dying convulsions of our post-Christian society are being controlled by morphine injections, but everyone knows the end-game is at hand. The peripheral relatives are positioning to get named in the will, steal the silverware, usw. It remains to be seen if America will continue as a country – a different country, certainly, but unfragmented as a political or possibly even a cultural unit. The USSR fell apart, but Russia is still there; Germany was stripped of its Baltic provinces after WW2, but it’s still there. Japan was bombed into the middle ages by… Read more »

Yves Vannes
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“Alternatively, maybe what comes next is a new dark age.” If we can finally upend progressivism even at the cost of deep cuts in production and consumption (a dark age and all that implies), we will have a chance to reestablish a natural archeo structure to the West. There is no possible path to that end that doesn’t involve violent upheaval even if North America were all white. Add 100 million plus non whites to this mix and Enoch’s “rivers” become inevitable. Any path that obliterates the current social order and gives us a chance or our descendants a chance… Read more »

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I enjoy having plentiful food and a comfortable life but I think the dark Age is coming. My theory is caveman are conservative and everything moving forward from cavemen moves towards liberalism but the culture is what happens on the sides during those millennia but ultimately everything just gets too crazyand unstable and collapses back in on itself and then you are back to the basics. That’s how you get the Iron Age out of the destruction of the Bronze age

Dutch
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Dutch

Go for robustness in your preps, not efficiency. Mid-20th century (roughly WW2 through Korea) radios, generators, welders, pumps, trucks, tools. Heavy and inefficient, but simple, totally overbuilt and understressed. No chips, no black boxes. Will typically run on poor or old fuel. Easily repairable.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

We built this from scratch, yes we can rebuild. The rest cannot even maintain it.

slumlord
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slumlord

Very good post.

FWIW and I know that many of your readers will disagree, the interesting stuff is happening in the Catholic Church at the moment, there is a battle between the Left and Right factions and I reckon neither side is going to win. Although it may not look like it now, a third force will emerge from it which I feel will be able to recapture the spiritual sources will give Western man a will to live.

Otherwise it’s game over.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Strange how a Pope named Benedict was predicted to be the last. *shivers*

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Zman, thank you for another good essay. I’ve been thinking about your comments that Christianity, as a cultural force, tends to prevent or at least reduce purity spirals, like we are now seeing among the progs as they reach out for new levels of insanity. I think this was a particularly good insight. I agree we will never go back to the way things were – but I think what we will see in our culture over the next 40 years or so is a couple of rounds of new judeo-paganism as the answer proposed is adherence by all to… Read more »

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The big difference in our current “revival” is the lack of homogeneity of the population. The Great Awakening and even the World War I utopianism occurred within a relatively homogeneous population. When you add in ethnic conflicts on top of religious fervor, with competing groups squabbling over a shrinking pie, I don’t see a happy outcome.

Wolf Barney
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Yeah, that’s the thing that makes what comes next so unpredictable—the diversity we have. At least unpredictable in knowing how it unravels. But unravel it will, which is the predictable part.

Have A Cigar
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Your use of the word “population” rather than “nation” is interesting. The United States has indeed become a mere “population” — a simple census count, a tabulation of a total number of certain unconnected persons who all simply happen to be standing within certain boundary lines at the moment. It is not just a “lack of homogeneity of the population” but the grafting on of an entirely new second nation within a nation — an entirely new, ad-hoc, frankly made-up identity calling itself “People of Color” which has blossomed with astonishing rapidity like a gigantic prodigious tumor within the erstwhile… Read more »

3g4me
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3g4me

Brilliant comment, Have a Cigar. +++++++++

Hilltop
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Hilltop

I reckon multiculturalism is the natural successor to Communism: both philosophies that go against human nature and therefore can’t work.

Communism went against the natural instinct to property. Multiculturalism goes against the natural instinct of fellow-feeling.

Communism killed 100 million. Multiculturalism will probably do at least as well.

Out of respect for the Zman’s gentility (pun!) on the JQ, I shall refrain from pointing out who designed both systems.

pimpkin\'s nephew
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pimpkin\'s nephew

The liquidation of national identity is at the heart of The Plan. To produce a worldwide paste of culturally indistinguishable producers and consumers, with a corresponding imposition of cultural homogeneity, a world of CPUs all blabbing to each other on social media in clipped and brutish English, means enormous profits well into the future for our rulers, not all of whom belong to the tribe you refer to. Karl Marx was right in one important way: The social struggle is vertical not horizontal; the entire panorama of human social life has been the story of the rulers, the slaves, and… Read more »

Yves Vannes
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Heard this a day or two ago:

Even among our own kind are we too atomized to balkanize?

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Certain folks are trying to trigger another brother war with Russia.

When outnumbered, you make your enemies kill each other.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

I also see migrant columns from Central and South America, the Latin Spring.

The Eurabia/Med Union will meet China’s One Belt, with the resources of the Third world, the shipping lanes of the South, and the oil depot of the Mideast. Desperate Ice People in their ruins will accept the new rule as neo-Greek slave tutors.

pimpkin\'s nephew
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pimpkin\'s nephew

If I were Vlad the Impaler, I would declare Russia a white homeland; within ten years he’d sit atop the most dynamic economy and civilization of the 21st century. At least 25 million Americans would bolt, myself among them, to escape the coming nightmare and to enjoy the wide open spaces of the Siberian taiga.

A.B. Prosper
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A.B. Prosper

Russia is heavily Muslim and Asian, it won’t work. Its also not a Western society. Its an interstitial one between West and East.

Also running away just hands your enemy a cheap victory. They should pay for every inch

I means seriously our culture invented nukes, modernized germ and chemical warfare , invented robotics and now we are running away from low IQ savages because we won’t accept that we need to be in charge and to make it happen.

Stop being so atomized, learn to cooperate for group goals or your culture will die the death it deserves

pimpkin\'s nephew
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pimpkin\'s nephew

I must stop being atomized,.. I must stop being atomized… I’m repeating this as I fall asleep, for goodness knows I don’t want my culture to die the death it deserves; no, I want the culture that has industrialized abortion, celebrates degeneracy as national policy, ignores the dignity of its citizens by opened borders, suppresses free thought, enriches the unscrupulous, etc., to prevail and to live!

+1 for your wise correction of my bad thought.

A.B. Prosper
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A.B. Prosper

You completely misunderstood my post. As anyone with a room temperature knows, the Conservatives have conserved nothing of much value Clown World thus is the replacement culture for a failed Western civilization and the natural successor for Protestantism . If you want a better society you, you meaning a movement here needs to figure out what worked for human well being and to sustain society for a long time , make policy accordingly and jam it down peoples throats if they won’t cooperate In other words, its a group activity and the value of an individual is mostly determined by… Read more »

pimpkin\'s nephew
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pimpkin\'s nephew

That’s funny and shrewd. Balkanization means being Bosnians, or Montenegrins, etc. We can’t even muster the energy to be Elks Club members or Rosicrucians. We ‘bowl alone’, as Robert Putnam – a lib – noted some years ago.

DeBeers Diamonds
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DeBeers Diamonds

For all the talk of religion, its important to ponder that the Left will do its best to imitate the worst of the Jacobin Club the next time they seize power. There’s widespread thinking on the left that “taxing the churches” is of second-most importance after “tax the rich”.

Of course, what they mean is “tax the bigots”. The woke, the synagogue and the mosque will get off easy. The real church, the university, will be fattened.

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One thing to keep in mind is that the Jacobin Club of 1789 was a totally different animal than the one in 1794. Especially in Paris. And the guys that led Thermidor were to a man Jacobins themselves. Many of the Feuillants, and all of the Girondins were Jacobins. Many of the new nobility under Robespierre had been Jacobins. Read especially about Fouche’, and Sieyes.

Tykebomb
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Tykebomb

It isnt happening fast enough, but global birthrates ARE dropping below replacement level. The exception is Africa. The African population graphs just keep going up and up past 2100. And if you think the elite will shut their door on the Black Tide; well, …. it’s unlikely. Their new spirituality is perfect for this new reality. It demands they exalt the most vulgar, the most sexually deviant, and the most incompetent. Which means our rulers have a strange affinity for Blacks that boggles the mind. And its contagious, even affluent minorities are developing this strange affliction. Europe has gone so… Read more »

DeBeers Diamonds
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DeBeers Diamonds

There are some Afro-Caribbean countries with TFRs in the gutter.

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Those graphs of African population growth are just a cautionary tale, not a reliable prediction. The thing about predicting things based on current conditions continuing far into the future is that current conditions virtually never continue far into the future.

Dutch
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Dutch

Two words—Ebola virus.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Three more: biological neutron bomb.

pimpkin\'s nephew
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pimpkin\'s nephew

I pray you are right. And history backs you. Europe’s population started to get out of hand after 1200. Harvests were excellent, trade flourished, people kicked up their heels a bit. A great era of building. By some criteria the peak of western civilization. There was art, beauty, community, craftsmanship, a common faith and purpose – all that stuff now laughed at and rejected in our advanced time. And very little war. Conditions changed in the 1300s, the Plague attacked, and the result was that Europe probably had fewer people in 1400 than it had had in 1300. To paraphrase… Read more »

Tykebomb
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Tykebomb

I fear that the new spirituality of our elites is the pretext of war. Imagine it, the Chinese move in to make something out of the Africans and the Western Elite decide to protect their morality totems.

We already feed the continent with foreign aid. We cure their diseases, like Ebola vaccines. Why wouldn’t we get dragged into a Great Crusade to save them from racist Chinese? After all, those Chinese are so racist, just like Hitler and they keep competing with Jewish power, just like Hitler. It’s only logical.

SamlAdams
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SamlAdams

In trying to explain this to my high school aged daughters keep ending up with the “Cargo Cult” illustration to explain what is happening on both the left and right. Each (their older brothers too) finds the assertions of racism puzzling since both have grown up in a world where the observable preferences–scholarships, college admittances with lower standards are all given to the very people screaming loudest about “structural racism”. Nobody is getting a hickory shampoo for drinking at the wrong water fountain. But the problem, sometimes, with getting what you thought you wanted simply means hordes of fatherless black… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

Yep, many young whites are noticing the inconsistencies. Pointing out affirmative action to college works well because it’s something they understand and care about. It’s that first crack to showing them the world of lies that they’ve been fed since birth.

Many are smart enough to keep their mouths shut but their eyes open. All the brainwashing in the world isn’t enough to over reality.

SamlAdams
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SamlAdams

Reminds me of the experience of one of my sons, who is studying engineering. For a design project that required designing and building a solution for an external client, a xirl of color was assigned to their team. She was perfectly nice, but while completely useless, spent most of her time reminding the rest of the team that she was part of the special honors program as though it was somehow a talisman against a complete inability to do CAD work, machine or fabricate parts, do basic line drawing or write up a design memo. Clearly she was way in… Read more »

Pozymandias
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I had a friend 25 years ago back in Lagos (Baltimore) who worked as an electrical engineer on various defense department projects. They would constantly send his team these interns who all seemed to be black girls who were, like the ones your sons found, nice but useless. It makes sense when you realize how many young black men in the mid-Atlantic states are attending Felony University or dead. What’s left at the college level are the girls. Affirmative Action back then was almost entirely about blacks and the quotas reflected it with about 10% of spots reserved for them.… Read more »

oldtradesman
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oldtradesman

There is quite a bit of this going on in engineering programs. The xirl on your son’s team sounds like a prospective sales engineer and project manager.

Compsci
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Compsci

Indeed. One of the ploys at my old university was a program in “engineering management”, populated by minorities. One ostensibly gets an engineering degree without the qualifications/requirements of an engineering degree—like higher order math. Problem is, as my son (in the field) has pointed out is when they are hired and assume they can direct “real” engineers. My take was that the “smart” ones learn quickly to become gray men in the organization and collect their check without creating waves.

MossHammer
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MossHammer

SA, I’m a few years behind you as a father but I, too, haven’t landed on anything solid. For my kids, and my wife, I’ve had to sprinkle red pill dust on things for about 6 months now. It’s getting through based on conversations but I know I’ve got a long way to go. My wish, and prayer recently, is meat space discussions. That’s what I would like to see solved first. Vetted local connections. Just getting this out of my head would be helpful. When I poke around, I’ve yet to see anyone show up on my finely tuned… Read more »

SamlAdams
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SamlAdams

Well, am about as deep in enemy territory as you can get and am continually surprised how many of us there are. With kids you have to let them figure out a lot on their own. For one of my daughters helping her re-learn much of her junior AP US History curriculum was the entree. What is interesting about this generation is they were largely raised with none of the real life civil rights issues people of my age were. So unless indoctrinated otherwise are largely guiltless as a starting point. I slip up and say “Jap” (which was common… Read more »

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Top colleges and the professions are the water fountains of the new racial America.

The Babe
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The Babe

Don’t actually disagree with anything in the post. However, it seems that an assumption underlying the post is that things will proceed in a deliberative ideational process: our orthodoxy is dying, therefore we will formulate a new orthodoxy and new politics, or perhaps just lapse into chaos. There is, however, another possibility: the orthodoxy loses its legitimacy, but then the people brought into power with that orthodoxy hold power by raw force. “Don’t talk to me about Communism; what we have, we hold.” (Apocryphally attributed to Krushchev, if I recall.) Then, of course, it’s gulag time. Just today, police were… Read more »

Rogeru
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Rogeru

Watched the videos at the link you posted , that’s really something – especially the police refusing to speak on camera.

Compsci
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Compsci

I don’t particularly like it either, but I must note that I’m not positive we don’t have such here and it’s spreading. Most of the States with those anti gun laws allowing “temporary” impoundment seem to promote such visits. How many YT videos are there of FBI questioning/investigating folk for their social media postings? How common are the commercials touting; “see something, say something”?

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Expletive!!
That’s it, I’m putting the dogs in barkas- burqas for dogs. Maybe they’ll see that and pass me by.

Unofficially mandatory for public women in NZ, now, so it’s good enough for Bowser. Bloody hell, my grandfather was from NZ.

ChrisZ
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ChrisZ

This idea of competing moral frameworks, and the emergence of new rival moralities in our own society, is one of your most interesting ongoing themes, Zman. Please continue developing it.

Coincidentally, this very morning I wrote a comment on Steve Sailer’s blog about the issue–citing this forum, of course. Here’s the link, if anyone’s interested (currently comment #24 on Steve’s post, “Moderation or Monomania?”):

http://www.unz.com/isteve/moderation/#comments

Dutch
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Dutch

I am not sure how any sort of a moral framework survives or thrives when our overlords operate in an amoral/immoral fashion. Geographic distance used to give moral alternatives room to thrive. There is no longer any real distance from the centers of power, they have seen to that.

Da Booby
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“Alternatively, maybe what comes next is a new dark age. Perhaps this Progressive spasm the last one before the lights go out.” Spengler doesn’t get the credit he deserves. He called it correctly, in the Booby’s view. By 1945 Europe no longer existed. That’s right. It was divided between the Soviets and the Americans, two cultures most educated Europeans would have regarded as barbaric and beneath the quality and scope of European civilization. Now you can certainly make the claim that the USA is an extension of Western Civilization, hell the USSR was Communist, a philosophy based on the writings… Read more »

Rogeru
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Rogeru

I expect a new cold war with Russia and/or China fought by proxy in the middle east and Africa.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

I repeat: a Brother War. They must keep the White World from reuniting. Russia was, is, European.

With China and Islam as the go-to guys to enforce “order”, and africans as the excuse.

Rod1963
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Rod1963

Uhh the New Deal was born partly out of fear. The ruling class saw how Huey Long could leverage the frustration of the destitute lower classes. They also saw Communists making inroads and the very fact you had tens of millions of working ago men(potential revolutionaries) just sitting and stewing in their own juices was a potential time bomb. FDR had to do something. It sure wasn’t out of kindness. Our ruling class even back then didn’t give a shit about the lower class whites. After all these were the people who sent National Guardsmen and Pinkerton men to shoot… Read more »

SamlAdams
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SamlAdams

Look at the example of the Bonus Marchers. Two divisions worth of ex-soldiers marching on Washington scared the crap out of the plutocrats. If I recall correctly some of the employment programs FDR recommended stemmed directly from the desire not to repeat Hoover’s mistake and the fear that after the way the first was put down a second would come fully armed.

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And the response was to send the then current military to shoot them.
Anybody who thinks the filth in today’s military are any better is fooling themselves.
The Gendarmes in France are showing no compulsion in attacking and maiming their neighbors,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtw9R2eAGp8

SamlAdams
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SamlAdams

The interesting thing was they did everything possible to avoid the second Bonus March. There were serious concerns that the Army would not follow those orders a second time and even MacArthur was having second thoughts. It was a near thing.

A.B. Prosper
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A.B. Prosper

Yep. A government that is unable or unwilling to help its starving population is in more danger of falling than one at war. Despite what Economic Liberals say about the Great Depression , there was a ecological collapse in the form of the dust bowl combined with an economic disaster and it was not something private charity could handle There was outright hunger and deprivation enough that the US, a highly religious nation with no birth control dropped well below replacement in fertility and I’m pretty sure everyone saw the bread lines Now sure Treasury Secretary Mellon was correct is… Read more »

Desdichado
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Well, it will be external to the current crop of elite. Whether it is external to America as a whole remains to be seen.

Gravity Denier
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Gravity Denier

“This current spasm appears to be burning itself out in mindless self-destruction, assaults on reason and self-mutilation. The race to stake out the most extreme position leads to an embrace of increasingly self-destructive behaviors by the people leading the revival.” The antics of the economic/cultural Marxists certainly are mindless and fanatical. But is the insanity really burning itself out? It used to be that every time I read of the latest malign absurdity I would think: okay, that’s it, we’ve reached peak lunacy, and everyone with a whiff of traditionalism or common sense in their character is going to start… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

A #ShowerThought from @HappyHectares:

“How hard would it be to convince progs that “fighting fascism” requires them to cut their junk off?”

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As the Zman notes regularly, there’s no limiting principle to progressive salvation. There’s always more diversity to be obtained. You can always hate whitey a little more. There’s always more reparations to be made. It’s a purity spiral. The prog train is powered by the fiat dollar’s status as the world’s reserve currency. Witness AOC openly advocating modern monetary theory to support her insane New Green Deal. This train doesn’t stop until the dollar loses its status as reserve currency, at which point the economic glue that holds the US together will cease to exist. With some luck a peaceful… Read more »

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Best one liner of the week

“HUNTING ALBINOS IN MALAWI
Africa is an intensely amazing and colorful place where people often live to be 30……”

https://www.takimag.com/article/the-week-that-perished-37/

Where else?

I keep quitting the place but something goads me to go back,

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

I’m saved! Ta, Heartiste, but there is still Goad and Taki. Thanks!

(The Week That Perished and Taki’s High Life, cutural caviar.)

Sextus Empiricus
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Sextus Empiricus

Another sobering post, Z. Regarding the Christian roots of Progressivism and the long development of Progressive ideas in America, I can’t think of a better resource than Christopher Lasch’s “The True and Only Heaven”. Lasch was a Leftish Liberal of the older type I would trade a thousand modern day university “intellectuals” and every civic nationalist to see again. The combination of meticulous scholarship and eloquent writing will make you long for the era when our institutions of higher learning were elitist, white and male. I can’t recommend this last book of his too much; it’s a tour de force.… Read more »

pimpkin\'s nephew
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pimpkin\'s nephew

Professor Lasch was a national treasure. If anything he was our Orwell. Everything he wrote, ending with ‘The Revolt of the Elites’ (1996), written while dying of cancer, and of course starting with ‘The Culture of Narcissism’ (1979) – his best-known book – should be read, or at least on the bookshelf, of any self-respecting dissident.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Religion as we understand it began with the most necessary and urgent question.

This solar system travels in a relatively rubble-free bubble.
Every few thousand years, our orbit intersects with that of the Taurid asteroid swarm.

Sometimes that rubble hits us, as it did in 13000, 12000, and 4200 BC.

Our most urgent question, the basis of our religious query:
“Why? Why are the sky people trying to kill us?!”

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

(Oops- last 2500-2200 BC, sorry

Shoulda read the article before all my reply comments.
Good stuff, a pozitive note?)

Exile
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Exile

John McWhorter’s 2015 Daily Breast piece “Anti-Racism: Our Flawed New Religion” was surprisingly based considering the venue. The successive replacement of Christianity with the Judeo and wholly secularized new faiths is the arc of our decline. I’ve wrestled with the idea of somehow revitalizing the old time religion but at the risk of sounding like JBP, I agree with Jung’s century-old take that Christianity as an animating mythology died in Jung’s father’s generation (thus Nietzsche’s famous obit). However, Carl cannot be the prophet of any new age where his remedy for God’s absence in men’s hearts was the hopelessly Enlightenment/Jewish… Read more »

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You might usefully look at some of Jordan Peterson’s pieces on religion on youtube.

King Tut
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King Tut

A bit OT but tangential to a few points discussed above and, in light of the Chateau getting shitcanned, I wonder if this could help us.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2019-02-20/russia-must-build-own-internet-in-case-of-foreign-disruption-putin

I don’t know if it’s serious or, if it is serious, how far it has been progressed but I doubt that the Ruskies would shitcan anyone for misgendering a tranny or form any partnerships with the ADL.

Lance_E
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The American Civil War moved politics and culture left. The suffrage movement moved them farther left. New Deal, still farther left. Civil Rights, way more left. Intersectionality, even more left.

What makes you think that the next “revolution” or “awakening” won’t be so incomprehensibly far left that we can’t even imagine its scope? Imagine telling a 1920s man what society is like today.

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The left/right paradigm has been obsolete for a while , From Lincoln on it’s been entirely about how quickly the fist tightens,

“We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission.”
Ayn Rand

That was half a century ago.

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Would Rand have called what she described a left-right phenomenon?

dj3way
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dj3way

I miss heartiste tell him we love him

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I suspect a Great Nothingness is what follows. Not much of note happens over the next 25 years until the Boomers die off in large numbers. Nobody, in any country, is going to much want a big expensive war where a lot of people die to claim territory they neither want nor need. Buying what you need is much cheaper and carries fewer risks to the power structure. So, we just sorta roll along aimlessly until the Great Die Off. At this point, things will get noticeably better for many people as the open space around the world will expand.… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

I read this post sort of as an exploration of how far ideological theories and explanations for what is happening in the West, can take us. Whether that’s a misreading of this post, I certainly think there’s a limit to how far ideological explainations can take us. The post itself mentions ‘cycles of history’. There are some relatively new theories that try to look at biology to explain what is happening. I must have mentioned them before also here. There are at least three; r/K and political views, by ‘Anonymous Conservative’, a researcher who works in academia (there’s a good… Read more »

Someone
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Someone

There’s one ready to go from the Propertarian Institute. It’s good for what ails us.