Affirming The Alternative

Something everyone outside of conventional politics agrees upon is that the establishment conservatives are no longer useful or relevant. Whatever you want to call the super set of groups making a claim to right-wing politics, but outside of conventional politics, the one thing that ties them together is an antipathy to Conservative Inc. The criticisms vary in tone and specificity, but everyone agrees that the starting place for a new opposition to the Left is replacing the current Right with something new.

In fact, it is the failure of so-called conservatives that has fueled the rise of populism, neo-nationalism and various dissident movements. If you look around at the various tribes milling around the right-wing fringe, all of them are a response to some failure of conventional conservatism. The alt-right grew out of libertarianism, for example. The identitarians and race realist passed through paleo-conservatism. The paleocons, of course, have been around since their purging decades ago.

The absolute failure of conservatism needs to be more than a rallying point for a loose coalition of the dispossessed. This is not an age calling for a longer list of people purged by Conservative Inc. What is required is a replacement for so-called conservatism that will provide a true alternative to what is offered by the Left. This is something many among the dispossessed have suggested. Paul Gottfried, who gets credit for coining the term alternative Right, has been arguing this for years.

While more and more people are flowing into outsider politics, looking for an alternative to conventional conservatism, there is no agreement as what should come next. The paleocons have gone further than anyone, but their imagined replacement is mostly just a reset to the time before the neocons outmaneuvered them in the 70’s and 80’s. It is a conservatism of yore that is free of the baggage train of failure and perfidy that has come to define modern conservatism. It’s what conservatism should have been.

Other groups are far less sober minded. The alt-right never got around to thinking up a new metaphysics. They spent their time recreating an aesthetic from a bygone age that was intended to shock, rather than celebrate a new ideological movement. The closest they came to imagining an alternative Right was borrowing the idea of an ethnostate from fringe Russian thinkers. Otherwise, the alt-right was just a collection of complaints decorated with some racist and fascist language and imagery.

Other groups among the dispossessed are even less coherent in what they want than the alt-right. The neo-reactionaries want to return to the age of kings, but with the modern material items produced by liberalism. The neo-nationalists and populists, like the paleocons, mostly want to return to a convenient starting point in the past. Theirs is not a critique of liberal democracy, but of its constant companion radicalism. Like Marxists, they argue that real liberal democracy has not been tried yet.

The truth is, none of these approaches can get very far, because at their core they accept the base assumptions of liberal democracy. That means they embrace the core principles of the Left. Those being egalitarianism and the blank slate. They may place some qualifiers on these, but ultimately, they start with the assumption that there is a universally preferable form of human organization. That form of human organization assumes people are all the same with the same human potential.

In this regard, this age is not calling for an alternative Right. There’s no need to rally the guerrilla forces, aged and withered, having hidden out in the ideological and political jungles for generations, in order to reclaim the high ground of liberal democracy. Even if they were able to fight, that fight has been long over. The reason the Left holds the high ground, controls the institutions, is they won the moral argument. They now get to control the moral paradigm, altering it in order to win each fight.

When thinking about what replaces conventional conservatism, the starting point must be this dynamic. The Left controls the moral framework. This allows them to alter every political battlefield by manipulating the shared reality that is the public space. Since democracy is about persuasion, rather than truth, they can easily tilt the battle field to make their job easy. They win because the Right keeps charging up the hill to attack the institutions controlled by the Left, who always enjoy the moral high ground.

For there to be an alternative to conservatism, it must therefore be a genuine alternative to the Left. In other words, what is needed is not so much an alternative Right, but an alternative Left. What’s needed is a new radicalism that starts first with the understanding that we are entering a new age. The ideologies and moralities of the past age, the Industrial Age, are not relevant to the technological age and they are impotent and impractical for the demographic age.

The reactionary and violent multiculturalism on the Left is, in part, a response to this looming reality. The prevailing orthodoxy of today, is the result of the radicalism in later-stage liberal democracy that reached its peak in the last century. Peak liberal democracy, was also peak industrial society. The so-called radicals of today, are just the established order, kitted out in the outfits of yesteryear’s avant-garde. There is nothing radical about the modern Left. They are all reactionaries now.

The anger expressed by the Left toward various challenges, real and imagined, is like a child throwing a tantrum, frustrated at a toy. Their anger starts from the secret sense that their moral framework is no longer relevant. They are unable to quantify or even comprehend it. They just sense it, like an ill wind. Like primitives confronted with some natural mystery, the men and women defending the established order are in a defensive panic at the shadow of change falling on the West.

The new alternative must start where all radicals start, as a rejection of the founding principles of the prevailing order. There is no universally preferable form of human organization, morally, ethically or practically. Human beings are not all the same, born with the same stock of natural talent. Further, humans are not infinitely malleable, able to be shaped into whatever society designs.  These values may have had utility in the prior age, but in this age, they are a liability that must be abandoned.

Whether one chooses to call what comes next an alternative Right or something else, it must be a genuine alternative. The main reason conventional conservatism failed in its opposition to the Left is that it was not an alternative to liberalism. It was a slightly different implementation of it. What replaces conservatism cannot start from the same error, but must be a radical departure from both Left and Right, as commonly understood. It must be a radical alternative to the prevailing morality.


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This is one of those posts that I struggle with understanding. I do not disagree with the thrust that something new completely must emerge from the mists, but I am at a complete loss as to what that could even be. I am not a Marxist so I don’t have the belief that history marches forever upward and onward, but I also acknowledge that it would be near impossible to have a true reactionary outcome like a return to Feudalism or something like that. The thing that’s hardest to deal with is the lack of a direction, a “this is… Read more »

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For me I’ve just accepted a truism that I learned when I was very young, the oppressed will become the oppressors and every identity group in the US thinks they’re being oppressed by white people so I am preparing mentally and spiritually for the time when I will need to defend my people’s right to exist. And I also understand that life’s not fair, you can be born into good times and you can be born into bad times. Technically these are the good times. We are living in an age of abundance and my life is as close to… Read more »

Rogeru
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@Whitney
“oppressed will become the oppressors ”

I came across a quote somewhere that I’ve never been able to find again:
The slave doesn’t want freedom, he wants to hold the whip.

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I’m not sure if it was a quote or just a repeating pattern of History. It’s something I learned in high school and I went to public school so I did not get a great education but it was in the 80s so it was better than it is now. I recall some teacher pointing out the pattern and from that point on I always noted it when I came across it in subsequent readings and education

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Felix_Krull

We need to think about the day-to-day tactics that will move us in the right direction, without limiting our freedom of movement or exposing us to retribution from the Antifa Woke-opolii. But what if we’re already doing the right thing, sending memes to Dan Rather and whatnot? As Uncle Adolf said, during his Years of Struggle: “as long as we’re gaining adherents, confrontation is not in our interest.” If we prematurely start to organize, either intellectually or in meatspace, we give them targets, as you say, and we give ourselves fuel for internal squabbles, drama and fractions. First order of… Read more »

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Pursuvant

You can poke and prod and organism without reaction untill you reach the required threshold of awareness. Then the reaction is instinctive.

Conditions will trigger instinct, and the response will be given to you by your nature.

Marko
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Marko

Whatever Z is saying (or eluding to) is incompatible with the present-day United States. This is a call to break up the country along cultural-ethnic-racial lines. The Euros do their thing here; the Africans there; the Hispanics over there.

Yves Vannes
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There’s a place in this world for a Vienna, a Monrovia, a San Paolo and a Shanghai…but not a place where they can share a peaceful border.

IFrank
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IFrank

There will be no break up until there is greater awareness.

For that, T must be re-elected.

All these swamp critters love life in the swamp. Why not? They all become wealthy there. They don’t want the gravy train to stop.

“We mustn’t let T derail the train. All the dead bodies must remain hidden, whatever it takes, even if it means tying some ppl to the tracks”

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Serious question: why would feudalism fail to work now? Because smart phones? I genuinely think we should have a discussion about feudalism: what it was designed to solve, what caused it to pass away, what it delivered, what it failed to deliver. Right now, it seems to serve as a catch-all phrase for stuff that can’t work because Monty Python made fun of it. But if you begin with the idea that the inability of the central government to project power created the need for locals to do so, that can begin a useful analysis, it seems to me. Perhaps… Read more »

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Its a good question, but I have a hard time seeing the “lower orders” voluntarily submitting themselves to a vassal as it stands now. Perhaps if there’s an external threat you’ll have groups self-organizing (and those groups will have a leader by nature) which might lead to a more modern form of feudalism.

Who knows, but until then you can call me Dennis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE

Compsci
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Compsci

We tried feudalism—of a sort—it was called federalism. States foolishly gave it up. One is tempted to call for a return to “State’s rights” and such, however again that is a political solution within the current system which is not amenable to change. Power goes one way, to the top, never peacefully in the other direction.

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ReturnOfBestGuest

To be fair, mass immigration upset that particular apple-cart long ago. The same dynamic was in play then. The only difference was that there was a “farther out” to move to and still work and raise a family and have community.

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

Federalism only worked before mass immigration was sufficiently easy either at the Federal or State level with a few exceptions there was a kind of moral consensus, i.e everyone was Christian and almost everyone Northern and Western European and we were pre industrial As it is mass culture basically destroyed the value of States That said if a return to such was wanted, the franchise would have to be strictly limited (live in area 10 years, 21 over, own property, married and maybe have children) and States would have to reassert the desire for self rule This might prove to… Read more »

Chester White
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Chester White

It can if you have an economic collapse and a President who allows power to diffuse locally rather than seizing it.

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We used to have that, it was called federalism, the idea that the several states were individually sovereign except with very explicit, limited and delineated powers ceded to Washington. That all ended thanks to Lincoln of course (and all of America’s utterly retarded response to solving the slabery problem). We went from pretending to genuflect to Rome, to being flat on our backs, with Rome’s boot on our throats 24/7.

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A.B Prosper

Lincoln wasn’t trying to solve the slavery problem. That was a pretext to keep extracting wealth from the South. Slavery did matter to some moralists but not to Lincoln or many of the elite up north The previous civil war was easy North vs South , a battle of customs with reasonably clear goals A second one would be far more confusing since the Actual Right is so divided. Thus, fixing the mess can’t be done until someone has an idea of what they are trying to create in place of Clown World. And note actual goals have to be… Read more »

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The next civil war will be the first. The prior one was a second war of independence in which the side seeking freedom from centralized control lost. This true first civil war will not be neatly geographically segregated, which creates a host of issues. There may be a somewhat urban/rural divide, but many ostensibly blue urban centers in the South are barely so – maybe a 55/45 split at best, several within just a few percentage points. Not sure how things are up North, but my impression is the urban split is more pronounced. It will be messy.

Rogeru
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@BTP
I’d expect modern feudalism to be a corporate style feudalism in the sense thst your housing etc will be a condition of employment. This already exists to some extent in the military and in property management. An economic hiccup could spread this throughout the economy. Corporate serfdom.

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A.B Prosper

I don’t think this is likely. Feeding and housing people is far more expensive than paying the lowest wages possible . It’s also less flexible than often having the ability to arbitrage them down further Also automation increasingly makes labor superfluous. In the short run this is good for the bottom line but in the long run, a few mistakes and you end up going out of business . C.F Toys R US Modern business requires low wages and constant population growth for long term profits. This is impossible in an urban society as we’ve seen with 50 years of… Read more »

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Feudalism failed because it was rotten to the core. It is still failing. The countries who killed their feudal s have more common sense now . There is no mass immigration or other madness in the white countries who killed their feudal s properly, like Russia or Eastern Europe. And there are lot madness in the countries where feudal s were not killed like Sweden or UK or where the job was unfinished like in France or Austria. Self appointed isolated inbreed filth is why the Europe fell in the first place. Feudalism also doomed Hitler. Even Goebbels understood in… Read more »

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Ursula

It’s lack of exposure to jewish media and academia that made all the difference in the eastern European states not descending into secular degeneracy. The USA and western and northern Europe have been shaped by jewish media and academy, with the resulting destruction.

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A.B Prosper

Feudalism was a system of order than at least for the lower classes manited stability for centuries even with slow population growth It was even flexible enough to handle a vast decline in population and lasted for centuries after that in some areas. Industrialism killed it but we won’t have that for much longer. On the other side Democracy and Republican systems of governance at least in modernity can make no such claims of longevity and all seem to be on the verge of failing or have had to be imposed by the US , a nation which will soon… Read more »

Ursula
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Ursula

Would the distinctive European cultures evolved to the extent they did if it weren’t for feudalism?

Carl B.
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Carl B.

Your “struggle to understand” will end shortly. The President is going to be impeached and removed from office by a Deep State coup. The issue has been decided. Your country is dead. Gone. Kaput. The “New Culture” doesn’t include you. You are the new nigger.

What comes next is a global, totalitarian technocrat state never seen before(and scarcely imagined) in history. Welcome to the Brave New World Plus.

Federalist
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Federalist

You think 2/3 of the Senate will vote to remove Trump?

Carl B.
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Carl B.

Yes.

SamlAdams
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SamlAdams

There is a reason you are not seeing “it”, because “it” is hard. Read Peter Thiel’s “Zero to One”. While focused on innovation and invention, the analogy holds that most of what passes for innovation is merely incremental improvements on or re-ordering of what exists. Few entrepreneurs create truly new things. When they do, it’s revolutionary–think airplanes, or electrification of factories, or the transistor. I think the same holds for political philosophy–way to much baggage is sitting in the lizard brain to make it easy to white sheet a completely new solution. So switching to a different analogy, the muscle… Read more »

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Ivar

I don’t see a moral high ground anymore. It doesn’t take much active listening to realize that people know what they should or shouldn’t say, and that’s about it. I detect little fervor. It is like people in 300 A.D. understanding that they had to pretend that the Roman Emperor was a god. To my mind, the progs now occupy failing institutions mostly through inertia.. We have a few Antifa types on one side, a few rightists on the other side, and a vast number of people in the middle scurrying past them. I don’t know what comes next but… Read more »

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ProUSA

They really believe in egalitarianism and the blank slate? Or are they just pretending to believe in it? As a former teacher “behind enemy lines” I hated those hopeful people: “Oh, God, this is so egalitarian!” I wanted to kick their asses. Catholic school teaching was egalitarian: they had parents and students who wanted to do the work; public school parents and kids believed that their chicken shit could become chicken salad. Yeah, they’re really producing equality in the government schools. Everyone now, including the Asians who stay in these schools, are equally dumb. Just like the Egalitarians want it… Read more »

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I am just an average guy but I do not see a way to get to a new alternative except by a national divorce. The society is getting dumber and less competent by the day. Most people right now would be unable to comprehend anything that Z is talking about in most of his articles. As an example we have police officers in most medium to large cities that are less competent than airport workers and janitors in many other countries. It does not look to me like we can get to a new right when the vast majority of… Read more »

Compsci
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Compsci

Indeed. Well said George. It also doesn’t help when those of our talented young people with high IQ’s have milestones tied around their necks in the form of smart phones and social media and subpar education. You can be as smart as you like, but without facts to organized and process you are little more than a useful cog in the “machine”—never able to “catch wise”.

george
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george

Yes Compsci. I try in my small way to reach those I can. But I can see they have been more than brainwashed. It is insidious. Brainwashing combined with electronic manipulation if you will. That’s how I would describe it anyway.

Calsdad
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Calsdad

Millstone.

ReturnOfBestGuest
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ReturnOfBestGuest

To be fair, the granite mile-markers that you can find in rural New England would also suffice.

BadThinker
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BadThinker

The good news is that these smart folks have what smart folks never before have had – access to nearly *all* of both western and eastern canon. I’ve started to build a virtual library of books, both classic and modern, based on recommendations from our blog host and many others. The biggest challenge is getting folks off the dopamine devices (i include myself here). Perhaps there’s a starting point there – a ‘classics book club’… this won’t bring in the normies but it might help make RL connections…

UFO
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UFO

can you link me a list or recommend a few?

BadThinker
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BadThinker

Derb’s ‘Considerations’ section has a lot of good and varied books and authors. https://johnderbyshire.com/Reviews/Considerations/page.html ZMans “Essential Knowledge” is also a good place to go. http://thezman.com/wordpress/?page_id=1109 Belloc and Chesterton are giants of the early 20th century English traditionalists. “The Everlasting Man” is one of my favorites. Sometimes the best place to start is with a big overview. Arthur Herman’s 2000+ year spanning history “The Cave and the Light” simplifies a lot of the various schools of thought but does a decent job of it, and it makes clear the massive impact that Christianity had on western thought (a history often forgotten… Read more »

UFO
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UFO

Thanks!

I read “Conquerors” by Crowley. I really enjoyed it, despite perceiving a slight favoured slant towards the Muslims and non-Europeans. Overall still a great read. I am going to read more of his books soon, hopefully. He has one on Constantinople that I’ll probably read next.

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I too can’t see any alternative other than two separate countries. In fact I think the states are already disaggregating in symbolic ways. This year there was a spate of stories about states adopting new regulations for abortion. Some were wildly licentious (New York) while others created stronger restrictions (Georgia). Regarding the latter, the voices of the Left made their usual threat that nobody would want to work or move to a state with restrictive abortion laws. They never seem to consider the possibility that a law that discourages Leftists from invading your home state is a feature, not a… Read more »

ProUSA
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ProUSA

Blue states only talk about leaving because Trump is president, but in time they will have their own as POTUS, and then red states will want to leave but they will be forced to stay. History shows this as people who tried to escape were prevented or were killed trying.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
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Ris_Eruwaedhiel

I can see a breakup into Redstan and Bluestan.

Redstan would be overwhelmingly White and culturally Christian. Bluestan would host every race, ethnicity, religion, sex and sexual orientation. They have nothing in coming beyond the common pursuit of plunder and hatred of Whites and would tear each apart. I can see a further breakup into a Hispanic southwest, possibly dominated by White Hispanics, and a Black region.

As for East and South Asians, Moslems and Jews? Who knows?

At the very least, Whites will continue to flee entire regions and re-congregate in certain areas.

Compsci
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Compsci

Ris, yes, a likely scenario if breakup is allowed. However, it may not work for long. Those areas/States that accept control and populations of majority “diversity” will become “nations” of lower population IQ and that has been shown to affect/correlate with level of GDP—and at low enough levels of IQ—even the ability to form and run functioning democracies. Assuming access to natural resources, White States will become richer, minority States poorer and like with CA today, folks in those nations will attempt to flee to the White ethno-Sates.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
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Ris_Eruwaedhiel

I thought the same thing. Unless the more intelligent Whites and Asians take control of Bluestan, the country will devolve into a third world craphole. Even if Whites and Asians do, they’ll quarrel among themselves for power.

Do we take refugees from Bluestan?

South Africa was a first world country under White rule. South Africa and Zimbabwe were sacrifices to the god of our age, equality. So is the West in general.

Daniel K Day
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Daniel K Day

No voting by refugees, “naturalized” or not, until the third generation, and then only after they pass general knowledge tests at the polling stations, like everyone else.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
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Ris_Eruwaedhiel

Contrary to the wishful thinking of civnats, America does not have magic dirt that magically transfers any newcomer into an American upon setting foot on American soil. Your suggestion that refugees should not be allowed be allowed to vote, nor their children and only their grandchildren might be allowed to is cautious, but sound. People don’t have a “right” to come to the US and I don’t see why we need immigrants, at all. It’s not like we have a labor shortage. The only exception should be spouses who will either be supported by the American sponsor or has a… Read more »

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Range Front Fault

Hi Ris. My opinion…They will Never let us go. We are their cash cow…taxes….production….and land. Nope…won’t let us go without a giant s***storm.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
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Ris_Eruwaedhiel

I agree with you, but I think that there will be a giant s*** storm. Most likely due to economic collapse or military defeat or both.

SamlAdams
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SamlAdams

Can’t run an economy based on government drones providing “services” to each other between visits to Starbucks for lattes

BadThinker
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BadThinker

“Lattes”
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Lineman
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Lineman

You ladies better be in secure spot when it happens being on the run with people wanting your stuff and life will not be a fun experience…

Rod1963
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Rod1963

The Left’s leadership is mostly power seeking nihilists who believe in nothing(their followers actually believe the BS their leaders are spewing). Notions like “egalitarianism” are nothing more than scaffolding they use to gain more power and wealth. And when it doesn’t work anymore they abandon it.

And they sure as hell don’t believe in the “Blank slate” behind closed doors. Why in the hell do you think Lefties who have money don’t live anywhere near blacks and Mexicans and they send their kids to all white schools

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
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Ris_Eruwaedhiel

Helping the poor and oppressed is a wonderful excuse to gain power over others.

Compsci
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Compsci

Knowledge of such a ploy is as old as Machiavelli.

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ReturnOfBestGuest

Helping those who genuinely cannot help themselves (the elderly, disabled, and impaired) is our duty. That has been co-opted by border-jumpers and B-factories.

Compsci
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Compsci

Yes, but prior to the “New Deal” charity was considered to begin at home, i.e., a primary function of the church and local community—not the Sate/Fed’s.

When charity became disconnected from the local community to the extent it is today, it became inefficient and subject to considerable abuse. And even worse, it became a “right”.

I have no solutions—at least none that has a prayer of implementation.

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Ris_Eruwaedhiel

Socialism tends to weaken the sense of personal responsibility to others. I’ve asked people, “Who will take care of so-and-so?” “Let the government.” Socialism replaces the idea of personal responsibility to people in particular with the idea of impersonal responsibility to people in general. Also, people tend to show more consideration for those they know, such as family and friends, than with the big impersonal, apparently infinitely rich government. The Mormons run a huge welfare network for members, but the recipient must do something in return. A Mormon friend told me, “If the only thing the person can do is… Read more »

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A.B Prosper

State welfare is a part of human life, the Romans had it and even the medieval period had annuities from the Church you could buy for retirement along with all manner of expected givebacks from the nobles, public feasts and wage/labor regulation Laissez faire is a modern thing, its essential Leftist in origin as Right economics are about stability over money, And as for local charity, the large scale disaster that was the Great Depression caused that to implode and people to realize that the State was far better suited to the job And note until recently the various national… Read more »

ChrisZ
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ChrisZ

Compsci, it’s even older than Machiavelli. It’s how Pharoah ended up with all the farmable land, and absolute authority, through the agency of Joseph the Vizier. Never let a famine go to waste!

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

Complex orders require a strong leader. The low complexity order the Founding Fathers wanted has been unworkable since the invention of the railroad, maybe earlier. It also requires a homogeneous moral Christian population to even try it. We don’t have that. Worse modern technology creates even more complexity and that complexity creates State. You can reduce state by lowering complexity though. To do this you need to basically repatriate a lot of people close borders and much trade than shoot violent and non compliant criminal types scam artists, gangsters and the like. After this you have to control the moral… Read more »

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Chief

They don’t believe in “man-made climate change”, either. If they really believed that we are all toast in a decade, as their dimwitted leader, Ms. DonkeyChompers McFunbags would have all of us believe, they would be prepping for the Climate Apocalypse like MoFos. Freeze dried food, fresh water, guns, ammo, bunkers…the whole magilla. But you see none of this on their side, which in and of itself leads me to believe that either they are so nihilistic now that they merely wish to speed the meteor, or that they KNOW it’s all bullshit. My money is on the latter option.

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ReturnOfBestGuest

Not to mention all the junkets the globe-trotting Davosie manage to squeeze in (on our behalf, of course!) over the year.

Compsci
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Compsci

They believe in nothing but power and the achieving of such. All else are tools or a means to such an end. When they achieve complete authority, then they will decide what ends to put their power to—that is to say, they will then define their principles and moral pursuits.

Is this not a previous lesson of Z-man in his organizing call to the dissident right?

DLS
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DLS

Climate change is the Mcguffin* to absolute power and control. The Left might as well say they need more power so they can find the Maltese falcon or the lost ark, or else we all will perish.

*An object or device in a movie or a book that serves merely as a trigger for the plot.

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Wkathman

Superb analysis. Something markedly different from stale old Left and Right is needed indeed. Love how you equate the Left to a child. It seems that a large portion of Leftism can be summarized as: “F–k you, Dad!”

Calsdad
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Calsdad

The left is made up of free-shitters. They free shit in the street in places like San Francisco, and the entirety of their reason for existing is to justify thievery and get free shit.

Member

We should demand a return to freedom of association. This is what got trampled underfoot in the last century. It is the one thing the left fears more than anything else. If an alternative right emerges, it must have as one of its founding platforms freedom of association. Once normie understands the implications, he’ll join.

Member

Free Association is just racism.

Ok. You’ve just been hit back by those who control the moral battlefield. What do you do?

1. No, it’s not
2. Yes it is, but so what?
3. Something else

Member

The whole idea is that we don’t give a tinker’s dam what lefty says. You fill in the blanks. Normie will move to our side once he’s had a nose-full of Trotskyite bullshit. “Freedom of association” means “freedom”.

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Citizen of a Silly Country

We may not give a damn, but Joe Normie does. We need to recruit as many of normies to our side as possible – even before things get ugly, especially before things get ugly so to built something for people to run to.

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

That’s exactly what they’d say. “You don’t want to live with blacks because you’re a bigot! This isn’t about free association, it’s about you being a racist.” Now, we may not care about being called a racist, but normie does. So, at some point, you have to have an answer to “Racist!” that normie can understand and believe in. My answer is: “I don’t hate other races, I just love my own. Just as my loving my children more than your children doesn’t mean that I hate your children, my wanting a place for people – and really what is… Read more »

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Citizen, my reach is limited, I’ll admit, but it is rare for me to meet a “normie” that has not behaved in a “racist” manner. They just don’t realize it. I once was at a meeting held at the University of Chicago. Our host literally sent out a map of the University grounds and surrounding areas which told us where we might walk/travel “safely” and “where they be dragons”! They even outlined the areas in *red*. Oh the irony. That’s where I always draw my points with normies, talk awhile about things in common…children, schools, taxes, etc., and you’ll find… Read more »

BadThinker
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BadThinker

Slogan needs more pithiness. Too many things to unpack for Joe Normal.

And I discovered, to my dismay, that many folks actually are anti-moral and hate their own extended family. My own younger brother has been so bamboozled that he actually believes it is *more moral* to want to be among people different than you than to be among your own family, and to want your own genetic inheritance to prosper is *evil*.

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

How about this: Everyone’s a racist. It’s just some people have to the balls to admit it.

Mark Stoval
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Mark Stoval

“… So, at some point, you have to have an answer to “Racist!” that normie can understand and believe in. My answer is: “I don’t hate other races, I just love my own.” My answer is that everyone is racist. No one ignores race. No one. And further I don’t like all whites. I love my own nation (tribe; extended family, etc)* *A nation is a community of people who share a common language, culture, values, traditions, ethnicity, descent, and history. Only be returning to living inside your own nation will mankind have any hope of finding peace, freedom, and… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

The God Damn Empire makes it illegal to only associate with your own if you are white. Blacks do it all the time but that is OK with the Damn overlords.
You do know why that is though right???

IFrank
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IFrank

I choose 2. Yes it is, but so what?

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ReturnOfBestGuest

Then you say: “So you’re in favor of abolishing affirmative action and racial preferences? Me too! Let’s meet for coffee sometime.” Happy warriors, friends. Honey v. vinegar and all that.

BadThinker
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BadThinker

No because muh white privilege. They’ve got an answer for every typical ‘conservative’ argument.

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ReturnOfBestGuest

I think we’re conflating bureaucracy vs. real life here. When you’re standing next to some other parent at the swim meet or whatever sport is what I’m talking about. Making friends.

Lineman
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Lineman

You know ROBG the right needs to work on that Making Friends part of life…

Mark Taylor
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We shouldn’t try to answer questions like this or even push freedom of association now.

There’s enough actual evidence that whites are discriminated against in colleges and jobs and the media. We should just point it out as often as possible. Eventually normie will see his children are treated as second class citizens and want separation.

We don’t need to sell freedom of association, we need to sell the reasons that lead people to want it.

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

You’re probably right. At the moment, Joe Normie still clings to his believe in treating everyone the same. Before we can push Free Association, we have to show him that equal treatment is no longer the law of the land.

“How does some poor white kid have White Privilege?”

“What about Asian Privilege? They do better than whites?”

“Why should Obama’s rick, connected kids get a leg up over some poor white or Asian kid?”

Etc. Break Joe Normie’s believe in the system. Then give him an alternative.

Gravity Denier
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“We don’t need to sell freedom of association, we need to sell the reasons that lead people to want it.”

We need to sell both. There are normies with anything from vague unease to anger about the anti-white tone of public life, but that’s as far as they can imagine going. Freedom of association isn’t yet on the table for them.

But when they are reassured enough that responsible people have already made that leap, and they will not be alone, some will follow. Some is less than ideal, but it’s better than none, and every convert counts in the reckoning.

Tykebomb
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Tykebomb

“Hey man, I just wanna be able to afford a majority white gated community too Like (Insert your favorite white progressive i.e. Don Lemon).”

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
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Normies proposed adding a “religious exemption” to the case of a Christian baker who refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding. Balogney. Does a Moslem get a “religious exemption” for beating his wife? It’s a matter of freedom of association. If a Christian baker doesn’t want to bake a cake for a gay wedding, that’s his right. If a gay baker doesn’t want to bake a cake for someone for some reason, that’s his right, too. As has been pointed out repeatedly on this blog, mainstream conservatives are liberals lite. That’s one reason conservatism has been in retreat… Read more »

Pedantic Twit
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“Balogney”? Heh heh.

It’s either baloney or bologna. Balogney is the name of a village in the County Antrim.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
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Ris_Eruwaedhiel

Fellow grammar nazi! That comes with working for many years at a law firm. I figure that balogna is something we eat and a city in Italy. Didn’t know that Balogney is a village in Ireland. Knowledge is good. Thanks.

CAPT S
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CAPT S

“…they are impotent and impractical for the demographic age.” Z-man – what do you mean by demographic age? Is it just the practical realization that “it is what it is” … that the demographics of the 2020 census is what we have to work with? Also I hear you on this line: “There is no universally preferable form of human organization, morally, ethically or practically.” Key word there being universally. I suppose a Churchillian response may be “but some organizations are more preferable than others.” Still, for a movement to ever gain traction it must be able to express a… Read more »

BadThinker
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BadThinker

At least in America, Majority-Minority. Inter-Tribal conflicts as we keep throwing more shit in the salad bowl.

Lineman
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Lineman

So Brother when can you put together one and I will come…

CAPT S
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CAPT S

Good to hear from you Lineman … thought you might be snowed under!

Lineman
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Lineman

All gone today Brother these early storms nothing stays…

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Both the Left and Conservatives are devout members of the Church of Equality. This is core belief that we must challenge, but it must be an affirmative (positive) challenge, not a negative challenge, one that people can get behind.

Here’s my positive alternative: Family matters. My children are a part of me and are not interchangeable with your children. Whites are an extended family, as are all the Earth’s various peoples. We should love, preserve and celebrate our children, our family and our people.

Ant Man Bee
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This is a critical insight as to What Comes Next, indeed a foundational one. And as luck would have it, this important idea has an ancient, profound, and benevolent visual symbol to illustrate it (and no, I don’t mean the useless swastika). Westerners rarely think about the I Ching, and when they do, they usually imagine it as a zany mystical witchy book of cryptic useless oracles, sort of on the level of Tarot or dream-catchers made of patchouli or something. It’s not. It is one of the oldest, sanest, and most coherent works of political philosophy to be found… Read more »

BadThinker
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BadThinker

ADL will be on it as a hate symbol in a matter of days. But would we worth a try.

BadThinker
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BadThinker

There’s a slogan! “Family Matters.” Plus you can meme it with Gen X and Xillenal “TGIF” pics!

Calsdad
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Calsdad

The paleo cons didn’t get outmaneuvered in the 70’s and 80s’ – they got outmaneuvered back in the 30’s when the pseudo-Commie FDR administration came into power.

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

The falling apart of the GOP sounds similar to the disintegration of the Whig Party before the Civil War. Hmm. Interesting times.

Member

Indeed. When your party cannot differentiate itself from its main competitor, you know the end is near.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
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Ris_Eruwaedhiel

A recently-deceased friend once said that the two parties were a two-headed snake.

Tykebomb
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Tykebomb

I had a minor epiphany when I realized that the 1990’s were the “Feel Good” 1820s.

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It was called “the Era of Good Feelings,” and it corresponded to the administration of James Madison, 1817 – 1825. Then came Adams #2…

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Correction. Make that the administration of James Monroe.

John Smith
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“This allows them to alter every political battlefield by manipulating the shared reality that is the public space.” —————————– Let’s not make our enemies into something they’re not. The days of us going barking after the stick that Leftie throws for us, and then getting beat over the head with it – are long over. For all their vaunted and entrenched institutionalized defences… Hillary Clinton still lost the election to Pepe The Frog. The kind of conservatives that take crap off of cunned stunts like her are dying off at exponential rates these days. We need to identify what we… Read more »

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Of the legs of the old “Fusionist” stool, the moral/traditional conservatives provided votes, got little or nothing in return, and had all their intellectuals purged. The Cold Warriors morphed into Neocons after the collapse of the Soviet Union, ensuring the forever wars in the Middle East in defense of our Greatest Ally. The Right Libertarians have dominated domestic policy: limited government, “free” trade, open borders, reduced regulations, etc. The Neocons and Right Libertarians either took the cultural and moral framework of the country as a given, simply didn’t care about it, or actively worked for its demise. The dissident “right”… Read more »

BadThinker
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So… A western version of Industrialized Eastern Despotism? Xi is quite popular over there. Given western man’s demand for individual autonomy, I imagine it would look a bit different, but if ‘going back’ isn’t an option, what is?

TheLastStand
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Excellent article as always. 1. Oswald Mosley raised a point about fascism. Since fascism is based on nationalism. The specific implementation will differ according to the national character of the people involved. 2. We need to reclaim the moral high ground. Short, punchy slogans are best. “They have to go back.” “It’s okay to be white.” My personal favorite, “Anti-racist is anti-white.” That last is powerful for 2 reasons. 1st, the most vocal anti-racists are almost always openly hostile to whites. 2nd, the enemy is dealing with a counterattack on their own terms. Arguing against it gives it legitimacy. Admitting… Read more »

Calsdad
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And there it is: “For there to be an alternative to conservatism, it must therefore be a genuine alternative to the Left. In other words, what is needed is not so much an alternative Right, but an alternative Left. What’s needed is a new radicalism that starts first with the understanding that we are entering a new age. The ideologies and moralities of the past age, the Industrial Age, are not relevant to the technological age and they are impotent and impractical for the demographic age. ” I knew I smelled the stench of lefties coming from these pages. Like… Read more »

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That wooshing sound you heard was the point of the blog post flying over your head. That smell you detect is your on self (unaware, like a smoker, of the odor they drag with them) . This seems to be a pattern, Calsdad. Let me state it as simply as possible: *Contemporary conservatism is part of the Left.* They are the not-as-far Left. EVERY respectable able-to-go-on-network/cable-teevee organization or human is part of the Left, from Trigglypuff to milquetoast GOP drone to Sean Hannity. This is the near-end state of liberalism, where all respectable politics is an ever-increasing purity spiral in… Read more »

Donald Cavaioli
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I can mostly agree with you except the move of conservatism as defined by the owners and writers of NRO gradually moved it left as the normie masses so wanting to be seen as “nice people” followed the progressive Pied Piper leftwards. It was a move born of PR and trying to capture a larger audience. It was and is a mistake. Things are today as they are because a majority of people in the past up through the present supported all the gradual moves left. It should be noted that most of those rank and file who identify as… Read more »

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Conservatism as we know of it is a post-WWII phenomenon and was always part of the liberal, and thus left-wing, tradition. As with other left-wing movements, it purity-spiraled its way through the second half of the 20th century so it could stay in the shadow of the hard/far-leftists. Taft, the John Birch Society, the paleo-cons, southern patriots, etc.–all were slung into the void on a tangent as the conservative purity spiral kept spirallin’ tighter & tighter. We can go even back to The Founders. What’s the term the libertarians use for them? “Classical Liberals.” One more way of saying, “men… Read more »

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I know you say you make your main point in the final paragraph, but this sentence from a previous paragraph is what I’m dwelling on: “In other words, what is needed is not so much an alternative Right, but an alternative Left.” What scares the amorphous left is not heartless Republicans like they pretend (the democrats are heartless and no one on the left cares), but someone who made Trump’s claims or had the appeal of his claims, without being full of crap, or a Jimmy Hoffa without the corruption. I’ve heard that the retcon job on the “Kingfish” Huey… Read more »

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Hasn’t the new moral framework been outlined, though, by Bronze Age Pervert, Wrath of GNON, Heartiste, and all the rest who argue that the traditional forms, which reject the entire Enlightenment, have been correct this whole time? That’s the alternative, even though it is simply a return to the very old ways.

But it can’t work because, as Z points out, the other team controls the moral battle space. Therefore, the centralizing, globalizing, leveling, homogenizing, forces need to be stopped in some other way.

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The Left never won the moral argument. They did it by capturing the institutions over many decades including the MSM and judicial branch that allowed them issue a multitude of fiats enforced at gun point. For example no sane person can argue that teaching kids about trannies or mainstreaming their lifestyle is a result of Lefty moral superiority. Or forcing bakers to make products they don’t want or face prison and loss of their livelihood. It’s just a function of the Left’s control of the legal system and just a variation of the SLAPP lawsuits that crooked developers used to… Read more »

Yves Vannes
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Beyond some fundamental positive and negative archeo covenants we don’t need to do much defining. It will give our enemies a target they can ill define and use to their advantage. The replacement of our people in our native lands and in the lands we’ve built should be our main focus until we again control our own fate.

We have not only the right, but the moral duty to protect and defend our civilization by any means necessary. That duty doesn’t need to be justified. If it’s anti-white in white lands it needs to be obliterated.

CAPT S
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OK, I agree we don’t need to justify ourselves. But we do need a rallying cry. Call it The Manifesto of the Dispossessed. We need a banner to unfurl and call our own. And here’s another thing – there are a lot of our people trapped in the Democratic party, relics of the FDR-to-JFK age. Similarly, some of ours are trapped in the GOP, relics of Reagan. These are potential allies to be cultivated. Forget the progressives – forget the Buckleyites – all lost causes. But this alternative path that Z-man is encouraging will require alliances and new coalitions with… Read more »

Wolf Barney
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I agree Capt. S. There’s a lot of low-hanging fruit that we can pick. Many are lost, not seeing any alternative, and have never heard our arguments. That’s why the powers that be came up with “The Intellectual Dark Web” (Jordan P, Little Ben, et al) to satisfy the longing many have for something not conventionally “Left/Right.”

Yves Vannes
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I agree with you. “Archeo positive and negative covenants” is what I meant by what you’ve described.

But what we need to avoid are useless debates about sperg-level differences. We were and have always been a highly internally diverse civilization. I assume we’ll still be that on the far side of this thing…minus a few bio-cultural absolutes.

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All movements are shuffled along by events. Thousands of events big and small. Like waking up this morning to see a video of an old woman attempting to cross the street with her walker as Antifa blocks her. Another small marble in the jar of an eventual counter reaction against these people. https://pluralist.com/masked-anti-fascists-harass-elderly-woman-trying-to-cross-street-nazi-scum/ The right wing and left wing are two different mindsets. Left wingers poke and prod because they’re crazy, miserable people who need an audience. Right wingers react after being poked and prodded, like some animal that wants to be left alone and then goes haywire when the… Read more »

Wolf Barney
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If a new movement puts race realism as its foundation, then severe immigration restriction has to be a fundamental pillar. I’ve always thought that if you could skilfully maneuver past the shrieking mobs and their accusations of hate, you can appeal to both left and right. 1. Immigration restriction as a pro-environmental cause. This should be articulated to the left constantly. Relate it to climate change, urban sprawl, loss of habitat to wildlife, etc. They have no counter-argument. It also appeals to rugged outdoorsmen among the right. The GDP-worshiping right, not so much, but screw them. 2. Immigration as it… Read more »

Mumble Grumble
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You cannot argue with the Left using logical, accurate, factual explanations. You cannot argue rationally with the Left. You cannot argue with the Left at all. The left is entirely a puppet of the Jews: dumb goyisch Goodwhites infected with Jewish mind-worms, negro shock troops and rape armies, and invading mystery meat which is all merely a biological weapon, all working to destroy Whites on behalf of the Jews. The long-term Jewish goal, the Jewish Prime Directive, is to exterminate Whites and annihilate Christianity. In the past century alone, the Jews have: — seized control of the currency and the… Read more »

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

“The Left” encompasses many different types of people. I like to think I could have a rational good-faith discussion with someone like, say…Tulsi Gabbard. One of those purple hair, tatted up, nose ring persons, probably not. A lot of Democrats, especially whites, are still stuck in Walter Mondale-tier leftism. The ones who still think Dems are for the working man and that everyone on the right is a big fan of the Koch Brothers and wants to bomb the Middle East. I sometimes fall into the trap of thinking every Dem is insane. That’s what you get by spending too… Read more »

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Among the bloviating reflected in many of the ‘comments’ to this Zman post, you have actually hit the nail on the head. Pick any new political paradigm you may dream up, implement it, and it will be infected by the chosen virus over time as it has infected every Western society throughout history.

So the only final solution will be … the final solution.

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G Lordon Giddy

Z-Man what is your opinion of the propertarianism ideas of a guy called John Mark floating around? Seems reasonable?

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

Curt Doolittle is the guy who came up with Propertarianism. John Mark appeared a few months ago and is aggressively pushing the concept.

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ReturnOfBestGuest

Until all “alt” content producers are shut down, there’s practically an embarrassment of riches for every taste. Which is why I disagree with the previous poster who said abandon social media. It may be the one conduit for fellowship and encouragement. I won’t deny that to anyone.

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I’ve listened to a fair amount of the propertarianism ideas and as a proposal that’s genuinely an alternative to liberal egalitarianism/progressivism it isn’t bad. I think there’s some flaws in the concept that are likely to emerge in execution for which I have not yet heard sufficient mitigation proposals. The over-reliance on judicial action to protect “property” that has a much broader and more nebulous definition than our present legal definition sets the stage for emergence of an onerous kritarchy. The propertarian concept as I understand it necessitates abandonment of the full-franchise democracy concept; a goal with which I fully… Read more »

LineInTheSand
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I agree. Propertarianism obsesses over legality and procedure to avoid the real issue of the people who interpret and enforce the rules. Get the people right and the legality will mostly take care of itself.

The only use for propertarianism is as a bridge for constitutional conservatives, who must have a document to focus on, to our side.

Mark Taylor
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Mark Taylor

Propertarianism is fine as a political idea but it is a political idea. Politics is downstream from culture, and culture is downstream from biology.

TomA
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It all starts with biology. Our species started out in an environment of routine hardship and existential threat which lasted for a couple of hundred thousand years. That evolutionary gauntlet made us hard and tough and versatile, and we rose to the top of the food pyramid. Then along came extreme affluence and we started getting soft and lazy and hive-minded. And now a large cohort of our species (known as Progressives) are morphing into human parasites. That problem will not going to be solved with rhetoric.

Ayatollah Rockandrollah
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Pat Buchanan was talking about the forces of “the old order 23 years ago.” As he says in this clip (“mount up and ride to the sound of the guns”) — we no longer have the element of surprise. Never has this been more true than today. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4582818/pat-buchanan-ride-sound-guns Whatever comes out of this, it is going to forged in the pressure of these times, which perhaps is the only way it could ever have come about. To quote Mao: “It is good if we are attacked by the enemy, since it proves that we have drawn a clear dividing line… Read more »

CAPT S
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CAPT S

“I’m probably going to take a beating for putting that on here…” Not from me – you (and Mao) were exactly right. This was Mao’s genius, and this is how we have to learn to fight. We don’t have to agree w/ the politics of the sociopaths, but they wielded guerilla tools that we need to hone and wield. This fight will not be won with logic and reason. I often think about the Pat Buchanan of 2-3 decades ago. He’s a supreme gentleman, because it must be tempting to say “I told you so” a million times over.

Lineman
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He probably felt like Kassandra at times Brother…I sometimes feel that way myself on the Building Community being the way we can save civilization…

CAPT S
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CAPT S

Yeah, I hear you my friend. Crickets. Blind stares. I swear it must be the high fructose corn syrup.

Ayatollah Rockandrollah
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I was with Pat in ’92 in NH and Houston, and then in ’96 in NH again. The night he beat Dole was one to remember. He never had a chance at the nomination, of course — he was immediately boxed in by the Strom Thurmond machine in South Carolina. All to give Bob Dole the nomination as a parting gift. If you’ve been around the GOP and Conservatism, Inc. as long as I have, the long-term dedication to failure and futile gestures is unmatched. Pat is very much the gentleman. As far as I know, he’s never talked in… Read more »

Da Booby
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“The so-called radicals of today, are just the established order, kitted out in the outfits of yesteryear’s avant-garde. There is nothing radical about the modern Left. They are all reactionaries now.” Yes. The anti-establishmentarians of the 60s are now the establishment. Problem is their ideology is anti-establishment by nature so they cannot accept or even admit that it is true, or they lose the fascination of the adolescents and adolescent-minded. They must continuously attack under the premise that they are bringing down the old order, but the old order disappeared 50 years ago. Screeching for more transgendered washrooms in public… Read more »

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Z says that the Alt-Right/Idents failed due to an insufficient theoretical foundation. No, we were shut down by the police, the legal system, the web hosting companies, and the payment processors.

Z, “they accept the base assumptions of liberal democracy.” No,we were shut down because we want a society built upon race and sex differences but discussing those today will make you unemployable. Our theoretical framework, which can always be improved, is fine.

At this time we must build real life communities and look for new opportunities and weaknesses in our enemy.

Crud Bonemeal
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Crud Bonemeal

Somewhat agree, but the Alt-Right didn’t primarily collapse because of enemy action. Only minimal pressure was applied, most people were untouched, other, more successful movements could have survived that. It collapsed because of infighting and an effective divide and conquer campaign (AmNat) , which grabbed the majority of people (who were just edgy paleo-cons or republicans) and took them back towards establishment politics. This position was quickly discredited by events (Trump’s policies and subservience to Israel got worse soon after) but by then it was too late, the trust had been lost and people wanted to do their own thing… Read more »

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

I don’t think that becoming unemployable and possibly expelled by your family and friends is “Only minimal pressure.”

Crud Bonemeal
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Crud Bonemeal

Keep in mind, only a small percentage of the Alt-Right was actually subjected to those tactics; most AmNats who wanted to retreat into conventional politics were still safely anonymous. And yes, that pressure was minimal compared to the hardship that successful national liberation movements of that past have had to endure. (see Nationalism in the Balkans under the Ottaman empire & what happened after each of the many failed revolts). And yes, that pressure was minimal compared to the pressure that the system will deploy in the future. The Alt-Right was vulnerable to divide and conquer tactics because many were… Read more »

CAPT S
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CAPT S

I certainly agree with that. That’s why we should be encouraging and mentoring a younger generation toward skills and trades that don’t require as much credentialing, licensing, or corporate backing. I know young tradesman that have fled states with overbearing regulation … in my area they buy a truck, put a sign on the side, and go to work. The good ones are inundated with work in 2-3 months after just handing out 100 business cards. There’s still freedom to be had but it means carefully choosing your trade and location. As for friends/family that expel us … F@@k em.… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

I would say Capt to encourage them to a trade that requires a journeyman ticket which is gave by their peers who have had it passed on to them…My career field is wide open right now and there is a ton of money to made which can be turned right around and put into tangibles…

CAPT S
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CAPT S

I had a good shipmate buddy who tried to talk one of my sons into your trade … just wasn’t his thing though. But I have two other sons that are intrigued by the opportunities for linemen. I agree that the trades are the ticket … and the tangibles is where true wealth is.

Lineman
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Lineman

Well if they need any advice or motivation let me know and I will help…Most people don’t realize how much they can make along with superb insurance and other benefits…

Dutch
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Dutch

“Since democracy is about persuasion, not truth, they can easily tilt the battle field to make their job easy”. Persuasion, not truth. Let that sink in. We argue for the truths we live with. We need to persuade instead. Understand that the left are now the reactionaries, the conservatives, trying to conserve blank slate egalitarianism from the crazies that take it to boys in girl’s sports, non-binary genders, and Antifa blocking grandmas with walkers. Laugh at them, mock them, point and giggle. They can’t defend anything. We can argue the truths amongst ourselves. Out there in the world, point and… Read more »

CAPT S
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CAPT S

Dead on. If this is war, and I think it is, we need to become students of people that we’ve been taught not to like – of course there’s Sun Tzu and Clausewitz, but then there’s Mao, Ho Chi Minh, and heck – even Alinsky. You know what these guys have in common? They’re winners. I won’t cede reason and logic in order to be a winner, but I certainly won’t thump on reason/logic if the mass-man isn’t interested in those things. That’s where your argument for persuasion (also known as propaganda) comes in. Mockery and shame are also in… Read more »

LineInTheSand
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Stina
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Stina

Further, humans are not infinitely malleable, able to be shaped into whatever society designs. I agree with the limitations of this, but it is not completely true. Unthinking people are very easily manipulated and molded into the shape of the majority culture. A majority culture of Western Christianity has a salvific effect on the general, unthinking populace that just follow the herd. Laws have a similar effect. However, they are easily swayed by a newer, stronger group… and ascertaining the difference between a sheeple and a new revolutionary group can be discovered too late to reverse course. IF we are… Read more »

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The problem is not that we need a new morality or ideology. It is that we hate what “the gods of the copybook headings” say we must do. Knowledge is easy, so we are coasting on the intellect, but Virtue is hard. If you want an alternative morality to the current one producing the leftist nightmare dystopia it will produce merely an alternate nightmare dystopia. We can rewind to Christendom and Western Civilization and try to perfect its moral codes. But we neither want to become virtuous enough to live there (John Adams said the constition was written only for… Read more »

Rogeru
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Rogeru

A radical alternative to the prevailing morality will come about when somebody with clout and charisma appears and states it, probably without explanation. The people ( or “sheeple” if you will) will clamor to show their support.

It will happen, but I’m not optimistic about the new boss being any better than the old; modern man isn’t particularly moral nor is he strong in discernment. The new morality may just usher in a new predatory elite.

But you never know, can’t be much worse.

Dutch
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Dutch

A strongman naturally follows the breakdown we are seeing. Make sure the strongman is one representing our preferences, not theirs.

Lineman
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Lineman

Amen Dutch and a strongman only arises out of a group if we have no group/organization then the strongman will not be ours…I still haven’t figured out why people that want to keep grey or be a lone wolf haven’t thought that through…

Carl B.
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Carl B.

Because solid, clear battle lines have yet to be drawn.

Lineman
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Lineman

Battle lines come about from organizations not from individuals because alone everyone has a different line so nothing gets done and then your facing the hordes by yourself…

Christian Attorney in Ohio
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Short term our best option is to take over Conservatism, Inc., which is what Trump has accomplished to some degree. The America First agenda (reduced immigration, trade reform, staying out of ME wars) appeals to the majority of Republican voters. We need to re-elect Trump and work hard for candidates like Kris Kobach (great article today at vdare.com) who could continue Trumpism. Long term our best option is partition. The changing demographics rule out long term success. If we could ever divide the country into 4 or 5 countries, 2 or 3 would be hospitable to small government, Christian values… Read more »

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

How do we get the followers of Conserv Inc. to abandon egalitarianism and blank slatism, which is fundamental to their worldview? If a normie conservative knows one impressive minority then he assumes that a race-blind, conservative country is achievable.

Conservatives are entirely blind to the primal tribal nature of non-whites.

Dutch
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Dutch

Normies will abandon blank slate egalitarianism when they are forced to make a choice. Furthermore, there will not be any partition, save for a walled off city here and there on the West Coast or in New England. Just take a look at the electoral map by county, from the 2016 election. Partition, not takeover by the red side, is an unnecessary giveaway. Desperate times call for nailing your colors to the mast, as Capt S put it above. Followed by floggings. Make sure our side holds the whip.

CAPT S
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CAPT S

Dutch – I’ve been talking eventual partition as well. Is it unnecessary? – probably no need to debate that just yet. Long term though I don’t see a realistic scenario that regains large swaths of the country to our side, particularly the coastal areas and New England, the putrid blue tail that wags the red dog. Included in those red-voting counties are a lot of people who may be anti-gay or pro-gun, but they also want the federal gravy train to keep on rollin’. Can we pick enough of them off to hold together the disparities of 50 states? I… Read more »

CAPT S
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CAPT S

I agree with the long-term partition. Short term though our answer has to be something other than a better representative via the ballot box, unless you’re talking county/town government where’s there’s a potential for our side to influence things. The America First agenda is a dead-end agenda – no amount of grass roots optimism is going to make it happen. This is 4GW stuff – low intensity but purposefully instigated conflict, complete with incessant propaganda – you don’t win a conflict like this via the ballot box. Can’t recommend this enough … read back through the thread from last week,… Read more »

Dutch
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Beyond a few irredeemable blue burgs, the red side prevails. The answer for the blues imbedded in the red areas (almost all of the country) is stifle it or emigrate away. Seriously, if you take out the recent (last 30 years or so) immigrant hordes along the southern border and in the west, there is almost no majority blue presence anywhere in the country. We need to think in terms of winning, not accommodating or partitioning. Losers seek accommodations, winners seek to prevail. The west has forgotten how to win, and our side certainly has as well. I am flummoxed… Read more »

CAPT S
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CAPT S

Not looking to negotiate anything away at this time. Absolutely agree for the need of many to emigrate out of blue counties/states. But worst case scenario – say this were to go into armed conflict , hot war. How do most hot wars end? Not unconditional surrender but cease-fires and peace talks. And the way those negotiations go? Usually partition. I’m thinking long, long term here – partition is probably the end result either way, it’s just a matter of whether we get there through bloodshed or more peaceful means. What’s concerning to me about the potential for state-by-state partition… Read more »

Hypnotoad666
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Hypnotoad666

Our “first past the post” voting system guarantees that we will always be a two-party country. That means any viable “Right” party will always have to be a mongrel coalition spanning the spectrum of squishy cucks, libertarians, neo-reactionaries, white identitarians, and what-have-yous. Having a pure and consistent positive ideology is both unnecessary and unrealistic. In fact, I don’t always know what I am for, but I know what I am against — and that’s the anti-Western, anti-American, anti-White, “woke” cultural-Marxism of the Left. A common front against this existential threat is fine with me. If the Right is ever lucky… Read more »

Ursula
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Ursula

“The closest they came to imagining an alternative Right was borrowing the idea of an ethnostate from fringe Russian thinkers.”

I see French thinkers and Americans saying such things, but am not familiar with Russians espousing this?

William Williams
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William Williams

Start with Aleksandr Dugin. Interesting guy, but pretty fringe even in MHO.

King Tut
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King Tut

For Pete’s sake, please avoid creating or forming any sort of party or identifiable organisation. It will immediately become a target for prosecutions, lawsuits, doxxing, firebombs and who knows what else. The enemy still controls pretty much everything at this stage. I think we should keep doing what we’ve been doing, i.e. gradually but inexorably injecting small doses of venom until their immune system collapses.

Dutch
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This, right here, as King Tut says. You can’t fight a vastly superior and dug in adversary with conventional frontal attacks. Miners and sappers are the order of the day.

Ursula
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Let the tax cattle be the ones, like you, Dutch, and many other successful men here. I do not blame at all men who, even though they see the sociopathic perversions of modern America, continue to make a good living and keep collecting pay for things that really are not helping anyone or anything other than our oppressors. Or raising your children to be successful among the snakes and lizards of our modern sociopathic society. There really is no choice. So, gents, keep raking it in until you cannot any more. Until then, thank you for holding steady and sharing… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

As long as you are alive you have a future Dear Lady…Spread your message far and wide and always keep your chin up…. Blessings be upon you and even if your time has passed to have children you can still find a good man that your evening years might be shared…

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Ursula……you’re not just a woman….you’re Ursula! You’re a thinker. Your post is remarkable, reflective. You and many women are coming awake to realize you sailed down the river trusting the direction only to find you didn’t make it out of the eddy, and time has moved on not to be recaptured. I know you’re sad, hon. It’s a terribly difficult lesson to learn: when you set off heading North, you can’t go South-East-and West at the same time. You make a decision, you go in that direction, and you take the consequences of that decision. If that doesn’t suit you,… Read more »

UFO
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UFO

You had multiple children and not a single one gave birth to children? Are they past the child-bearing age now?

Goodness, America is effed.

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

UFO….we are effed. My folks were Commies. They were only children. I am an only child. I had 1 child. This is your upsidedown pyramid of the Left. My girl had endless miscarriages. Life is relentless.

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Appreciation for our ladies.

CAPT S
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CAPT S

Read your post to my daughters. Thanks for sharing that. You’re welcome on my farm any day, and I expect within 24 hrs my girls would be calling you Auntie. Don’t underestimate the power of your testimony.

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Would be honored! Can be an Auntie.

ReturnOfBestGuest
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ReturnOfBestGuest

Completely OT: I don’t participate in social media, but I do occasionally check in. Hats off to our guys and gals for routing some of the Grifters today. Bless ’em.

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

Do tell, details, details, details!

Jackson
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Jackson

I’ve never found Gotfried’s claim to have coined the term Alternative Right very convincing. If you go read the article where he claims he came up with it, guess what, it doesn’t appear in the article at all. In fact, here is the only use of the word “alternative” in that article, in Taki’s mag: (and here’s the link). https://www.takimag.com/article/the_decline_and_rise_of_the_alternative_right/ “And the dream of living outside of the state in a society of self-actualizing individuals, opening themselves up to being physically displaced by the entire Third World, if its population chooses to settle on this continent, is not a rightist… Read more »

Jeffrey
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Jeffrey

Would someone please explain in detail, or refer me to sources, what are the “founding principles of the prevailing order,” and how these principles manifest themselves in our lives, and what is the “radical alternative to the prevailing morality.” I would like to understand. Right now it is pretty hazy. “There is no universally preferable form of human organization, morally, ethically or practically. Human beings are not all the same, born with the same stock of natural talent. Further, humans are not infinitely malleable, able to be shaped into whatever society designs.” What specifically are these alternatives?What would the new… Read more »

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Interest in the ethnostate was not limited to ‘fringe Russian thinkers’ (I’m assuming Alexander Dugin is implicated in this description). Wilmot Robertson published ‘The Ethnostate’ in 1993. Because race realism and racial separatism is both conceptually sound and follows what people already do, race realism is the way forward. The thing is to not get distracted by other issues or ‘down-the-road’ questions. A sizable number of White people (enough to alter political outcomes) do not have to be ‘sold’ on racial solidarity, they already know it’s ‘true’. What they need to feel is that is OK to feel they way… Read more »

Crud Bonemeal
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Crud Bonemeal

Yeah. Does Dugin even have anything to do with ethno-nationalism?

His job is to rationalize Russian imperialism, isn’t it? Which is a kind of civ-nat.

So I don’t know what that line from the original essay was in reference to.

Anyway, the White ethnostate is obviously just an updated / semi-santized / intellectualized concept from WN 1.0.

That’s not necessarily a bad thing though, it’s something that a fair amount of people naturally end up wanting when they reach a certain point in their understanding of the world.

onezeno
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The neo-reactionaries do not embrace the principles of egalitarianism and the blank slate. While they debate amongst themselves about what the preferable government should be, they uniformly dismiss egalitarianism.

Whiskey
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Whiskey

OT Hillary is running. That SNL skit by pal Lorne Michaels was the opening shot. Meanwhile Pelosi is running up trial balloons in SFgate that she will be President.

Ayatollah Rockandrollah
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Clintons are demons. They set out to destroy this country 50 years ago, and if she runs, she will push us to the brink of it. How titanic that 1992 presidential election now looks.

Ursula
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Ursula

Giuliani is a champ for coming forward and fighting for the president and our country on cable news shows the last few days. He verbally, conversationally, battles to get out his points that no one else in the media will report. Many of us hear and see him, wherever we can, when media hosts are not interrupting or shutting them down. He and our president are against impossible odds and I wish there was a way we could tell them that we understand and are with them. God bless you, POTUS and Rudy Giuliani! Don’t get on any small planes.

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MossHammer

At the risk of being at the end of a dead thread, I hope Ursula and RFF hear this loud and clear: Your testimony, and life now and future, IS the gift to the world around you. That can be a powerful legacy. My wife and I had this conversation just this morning..the legacy we are leaving. We homeschool and consider all aspects of that effort carefully. What are setting our kids up for? The funnel into college is not it, because it’s designed on a demonstrably false future. For now, we resolve to build character, toughness, manners, relational /… Read more »

Lance_E
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> to return to the age of kings, but with the modern material items produced by liberalism

Dude, liberalism didn’t produce those items. Come on, use your head. Liberals just happened to be in power at the time. Technological progress doesn’t stop; it did not even stop in the USSR, despite their valiant attempts to destroy it.

The only “incoherent” thought here is mistaking technological progress for social progress, a self-serving idea invented by progressives and for which you can find almost no historical analogue in pre-20th century literature.