A New Western Code Base

Critics of the modern age usually start from the assumption that the way in which the West is organized is fine. The problem is either the people, as in we have a rotten ruling class, or some set of defects that have been introduced into the system. The lament is often some form of “if we had only not done X.” This is usually accompanied by fingering some point in the recent past, like the 60’s. Recency bias has always been a major part of right-wing criticism of left-wing politics.

The underlying assumption is that liberal democracy will work just fine, if we can just get rid of those terrible liberals or go back and correct some mistake from the past. No one ever stops to wonder if maybe those nasty liberals and errors in judgement are a feature of liberal democracy, rather than a defect. Like Marxists or libertarians, the right has worked from the assumption that the right sort of citizen can be conjured or created, in order to make liberal democracy function as intended.

The truth is, the results we see around us, whether it is spasms of radical self-destruction or the suicidal flood of migrants, are all the natural result of liberal democracy. The troubles facing the West are not the result of some defect or shabby operators at the top. This is what you get from liberal democracy. As a wise once man said, “Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There was never a democracy that did not commit suicide.”

The reason, of course, is the underlying assumption of democracy. That is, all men possess the same set of talents. After all, if every man’s say in the running of society is equal to the rest, if it carries the same weight at decision time, then all men must truly be equal. Otherwise, it is a system that deliberately vests the incompetent with the safety and security of others. In other words, the democrat must either be suicidal or sincerely believe men are of equal talent in this important task.

This is the fundamental faith of modern liberal democracy. It assumes and demands that all people are equally capable of making decisions about public policy. This is why noticing any differences in people has become a crime. To note that the retarded, for example, lack the necessary agency to care for themselves, raises the question of who else may lack the necessary qualities to care for themselves. If you cannot care for yourself, how can you be trusted to judge what is in the best interest of others?

This is why we see campaigns by radicals to expand the ballot to children, criminals and the mentally feeble. They couch their cause in fairness, but ultimately what is driving them is absolute egalitarianism. To acknowledge that people are not equally capable of being citizens, means debating where the line is drawn between those capable and those incapable of citizenship. This is a slippery slope that can only lead to the upending of the assumptions of modern liberal democracy.

That is where any alternative right, or alternative anything, must start, as it is the only way to arrive at an alternative outcome. Democracy starts and ends with egalitarianism, which is a binary issue. Either all men are equally capable of active participation is society or they are not. There is no middle ground. Democracy chooses the former and must relentlessly work to make it manifest. This is the root of the current madness that has gripped the West. It is a denial of biological reality.

This is the place to start when contemplating an alternative to the prevailing orthodoxy, whether it is in the narrow domain of politics or the larger one of culture. If all people are not the same in the particular sense, then it follows that all people are not the same in the general sense either. Since a “people” is the sum of the traits and abilities of the individual components, then what we observe as national character is the result of those individual differences peculiar to the people of that nation.

This brings us to the other face of democracy, which is universalism. Every democracy, from the Greeks to the present, assumes that the only legitimate and moral form of government is democracy. After all, if all men in the democracy are equal, it must mean all men in every society are equal. The social contract instantly becomes portable, applicable everywhere. Therefore, anything but liberal democracy is an immoral and inauthentic form of human organization.

The Peloponnesian War was a defensive struggle to resist the rapacious aggression of the Athenians, versus the natural hierarchy of the Spartans. The Great War that devastated Europe was ultimately to impose liberal democracy. The Second World War was a follow on to defend liberal democracy from fascism, which was followed by a 70 year war to defend it against Bolshevism. The history of democracy is a blood bath to prove it works everywhere for all people.

If what we observe is true, that people are not all the same in the wholesale or the retail level, then the question is why? The egalitarians point to various forms of magic like racism, the environment and the tides of history, but all of these collapse under the least bit of scrutiny. If any of these claims were true, we would see evidence of it in the West, where tens of millions of non-Europeans have been imported. Instead, the evidence revels the opposite. The differences in people are natural.

It is these natural differences in people that must be the starting place for any alternative to the prevailing orthodoxy. That sounds easy, but it is the great struggle of this age. It not only means standing outside the moral order, it requires questioning everything we inherited from the Enlightenment. That is what will divide Right and Left in the coming age. On the one side will be the defenders of the Enlightenment, and its egalitarian pretensions, while on the other will be biological realists.

Just as the Enlightenment struggled to escape the cocoon of the Middle Ages, biological realism is struggling for life today. Even sober minded critics of liberal democracy struggle to embrace it. Paul Gottfried, in his first post back at the venerable paleocon outlet Chronicles, makes this point about himself. He can acknowledge some of the points from biological realists, but ultimately he prefers to hug the shore of nurture, rather than sail into the sea of nature.

Yoram Hazony, the Israeli philosopher, wrote a book in which he wrestled with biological reality in his defense of nationalism. Chapter after chapter relied on accurate observations about human diversity. In fact, the foundation of his argument is that nations are different, because they are composed of people, different from the people of other nations. Yet every time he reached the obvious end point of his logic, he pulled back and started flapping his arms and howling about equality.

Hazony and Gottfried are realists, when it comes to ethnicity. Hazony is an ethno-nationalist, while Gottfried is a paleo-conservative. Neither man is naive about the realities of the human condition. Both struggle, however, to transcend their conditioning, which shows how powerful the egalitarian ethic is in the West. It can overcome not only facts and reason, it can make you question your own observations. The project to build a metaphysics around biological reality, therefore, is daunting.

The human diversity we see all around us, the diversity of outcomes, within regions and nations, as well as between them, is not an accident of fate. It is not the result of some dark magic or a conspiracy of one people at the expense of another. These differences are rooted in our nature. Human biological diversity is a real thing that describes who we are as a species. Man is not man without this great diversity, because we are the result of a long natural process of regional trial and error.

Because biology is real, that means sex is real, race is real and ethnicity is real. These are all real things, coming into sharper focus every day through the study of the human genome. The long journey from the dawn of modern man to the first civilization was not the same for all people. The resulting nations of people reflect the long biological journey made by each people. It also represents the natural division of labor, for creating life and for living it, between the sexes and between the talents.

The Enlightenment was the software needed to take Western man out of the Middle Ages, through the age of sail and the industrial age, into the technological age. Like all legacy code, it has reached the end of its time. The demographic age, in which Western man finds himself a minority in a sea of diversity, all creeping up on his natural habitat, will require new code. We need a new moral framework and to do that means deposing the current one and everything that it entails.


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John Smith
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ALL empires rise and fall, Z. Ours was a grand and noble experiment if nothing else.

AnabolicState
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AnabolicState

With all due respect i think this misses the point. Labelling it as “noble” is the exact conditioning Zman was talking about.

Lorenzo
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Lorenzo

It worked pretty well for a quite while, you have to give it that.

Le Hunt
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Le Hunt

It worked, more or less, for only around 200 years, hardly a stellar achievement.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
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Nunnya Bidnez, jr.

well, it worked sort of, until the Whiskey Rebellion.

pyrrhus
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pyrrhus

The Whiskey Rebellion, against the corrupt Hamilton’s tax policy to favor bankers, was quite successful–the tax was withdrawn….

Compsci
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Compsci

We seem to always get back to ragging on the Founders. Perhaps a better tack is to explain how else they should have organized the nascent USA via the Constitution? I hold that the people of the US (future generations) failed the Constitution and the principles that the Founder left us both in writing and example. Prove me wrong. 😉

pyrrhus
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pyrrhus

No, it didn’t…The West was a howling success because of its limited franchise and hierarchical structure until the late 19th, early 20th century when an expanded male electorate and extension of the franchise to women, caused one disaster after another…Prior to 1860, the West was anything but egalitarian, and so functioned well.

Damian
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Damian

I was thinking about how to reduce the franchise but without denying it to women and certain men directly. The easiest way that I can see at the moment is to only allow net tax payers in each electoral cycle to vote.

ronehjr
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ronehjr

Seeing as how we raised commoners to the level of the nobility, and vice-versa, I’m not sure how much your statement stands.

Member

Yes, but it did NOT at first embrace radical egalitarian principles. That arrived four score and seven years later.

Middleagedmadgnome
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Middleagedmadgnome

The original framing was not completely egalitarian in form. Voting was very limited – property owners, males, etc., not slaves, etc. The original form of democratic republicanism may have contained seeds of destruction, but the maturation of those seeds included a very bloody civil war and 250 years of constant pressure by “elitists”. Ergo, I disagree that Western democracy cannot survive because of its “egalitarianism.” Modern western democracy must die when the populace can not or will not reject the machinations of the elitists.

Captain Mike
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Captain Mike

This essay is fantastic. The metaphysics of reality indeed. We have spent decades denying the real in defense of the democratic egalitarian ideal. I’m not sure this accurately summarizes the entirety of the Enlightenment, but it does demonstrate quite succinctly where we are now. That pervasive cognitive dissonance that makes many of us so uneasy is nothing less than the sense that reality is still out there, waiting to reassert itself as it always has and always will. How brutal and destructive the reassertion of reality is going to be is what I have nightmares about.

Member

It is too bad that we cannot calmly, scientifically, and objectively discuss racial differences in public forums, much as a group of horsemen would calmly, scientifically, and objectively discuss the difference between breeds of horses.

Known Fact
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Known Fact

Or breeds of dog, an even more common example people understand and accept. (Though there is a lot of nature/nurture debate about pit bulls)

Roger Locke
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Roger Locke

In all fairness if yours was the breed biting people when it was not shitting on itself you might not want to discuss things calmly either.

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Before the ink was dry on the Constitution are demise was certain. The founders knew it but what the hell can you do. Hope.

Now look at that freak show of candidates running for president. It is awfully hard to grasp how low we have descended. What is the expression, that politics is downstream from culture. Look how bad our culture was for decades and no in full decadent mode.

Well, out of the ashes something may come for the better. The other side of history.

CAPT S
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CAPT S

Exactly. The anti-Federalists prophesied much of the demise, although they never could foresee the abject stupidity of trying out the E Pluribus Unum concept with barbarian hordes.

the Russians
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Bannon says sHillary is going to run…they might look this bad for a reason

Rogeru
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Rogeru

Some British bookie has had the odds favoring Hillary as the nominee for over a week!

ReturnOfBestGuest
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ReturnOfBestGuest

Whatever. Guess what? If she wins we’ll still have open borders, no E-verify, no visa tracking, ever-increasing legal immigration, endless wars and unprecedented censorship.. The money-printers will be doing overtime. Wages won’t keep pace with the ever-increasing price of housing and health care. A pox on both (“D”/”R”) their houses.

Drake
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Drake

Every time I see the Dem candidates talking, I get an overwhelming urge to buy a farm somewhere very remote, stock up on livestock, non-hybrid seeds, guns, and ammo. And I am really not the prepper type, but they are what the end of a civilization looks like.

Lineman
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Lineman

Drake you can come up here to the Bitterroot and be my neighbor…😉

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

I’ve been to the Bitteroot Valley, and it’s on my short list of favorite places in America, and a place my wife and I would love to call home. And the cold doesn’t bother me since I’m in Chicago.

Lineman
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Lineman

Well I will look forward to having you as my neighbor then😉

Lorenzo
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Lorenzo

As the guy put it, “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty”. And people weren’t vigilant and here we are.

S18-1000
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S18-1000

“We need a new moral framework and to do that means deposing the current one and everything that it entails.” One thing I think should be kept in mind when trying to come up with new moral frameworks, codes, and replacements for our current system is: Would I be wiling to be at the bottom of this new system/society/framework? No wanna-be communist sees themselves as Tractor Factory Worker #3385, but a commissar or someone in the Inner Party. So if democracy, with ‘one man, one vote’ would have to go, would I be willing to give up my vote, as… Read more »

Screwtape
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Screwtape

Agree. What I think you seek, and many who dance with the idea of moving to a farm to just be left alone, is the dignity that liberalism has stolen from us. Replaced with a vote, which in most accounts is rather meaningless anyhow. The thing with living in a society arranged under the truth, is that however unfair or harsh it is at times, it still affords us a chance at human dignity. For all their talk of dignity, liberalism’s first move is to steal that from you and replace it with the kernel of the lie: that justice… Read more »

Buck Wilson
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Buck Wilson

“The Great War that devastated Europe was ultimately to impose liberal democracy. “

Had to stop reading after that, this was not a motivation for the war in any way.

Member

Woodrow Wilson’s shade would like to have a word…

Buck Wilson
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Buck Wilson

Which one of Woodrow’s 14 points was “Liberal Democracy”?

Regardless, American involvement in WW1 was of secondary importance.

The claim that the Great War was for “Liberal Democracy” is a propaganda poster slogan at best.

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

I don’t think Satan plans to furlow him from Hell for that.

Compsci
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Compsci

Really, Buck? Read the sentence again. It does not state/mean that the cause was to “impose” democracy, but the “result of” was. In support of this conclusion, I submit how any number of the governments of those European countries participating in WW1 exchanged their heritable monarchies for parliamentary governments. I include Russia as well, as they initially had committees of the people in charge, but that of course was undercut after Lenin died.

Buck Wilson
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Buck Wilson

The participants in the peace treaties that ended the war were far more concerned breaking up the multi national central powers and establishing national sovereignty for the various ethnic groups rather than concern for the types of government each nation was governed by.

Lorenzo
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Lorenzo

Agreed. Nobody in charge anywhere at that time believed in the “make the world safe for democracy” hokum. That sort of propaganda kept the suckers willing to get killed. The war started with each of the belligerents scheming to grab more stuff and protect what they already had. After the war, Lloyd George and Clemenceau kept Wilson busy prattling about his ideals while they were busy quibbling over how to divide the spoils left by the losers.

Compsci
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Compsci

Buck, that was precisely my point. The result of WWII was an increase in number of European nations using some form of democratic government. But the cause of the war was never to transform non-democratic governments into democratic governments per se, nor was nation building.

Member

It’s not even that long. Here’s a really long essay that you can decide not to read to the end without looking lazy

https://joeportolano.wordpress.com/2011/12/30/pensees-notes-for-the-reactionary-of-tomorrow/

james wilson
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Arthur Moeller van den Bruck, 1876-1925 When two augurs of the west are met together, they both know what liberalism is: a political trick: the trick with which the upstart society of the tiers état was able to swindle the tiresome, remaining plebs out of the promises of 1789. The augurs know what “liberty” means, that most seductive of the three catchwords with which the champions of the rights of man lured the deluded masses away from their dangerous barricades and shepherded them to the innocuous ballot box. When the Germans decry themselves as backward, they overlook the fact that… Read more »

Rod1963
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Rod1963

Spot on.

3g4me
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3g4me

Brilliant, Zman. As you note, this is where so many quail – and fail – refusing to accept the true social and political ramifications of HBD. Too many acknowledge some of its points but turn away in distress at others. Reality IS. Human differences ARE. No one’s feelings change this, but denial of these differences condemn us to the societal and civilizational destruction we live among today. I don’t share your soft spot for Gottfried – a huge part of his political makeup is insisting that only the eastern, peasant Jews were radicals, but the German Jews in America and… Read more »

Member

“…the reality that not all are equally fit to govern…”

Our Founders realized that. The next generation, which included Jefferson, were swept up in the emotion of the French Revolution.

JescoWhite
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JescoWhite

“Absolute power corrupts absolutely”

And yet some Monarchs were better than others. And individuals corrupt at different rates.

Lineman
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Lineman

Very well said Dear Lady…

Jacob Gittes
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Jacob Gittes

“The Enlightenment was the software needed to take Western man out of the Middle Ages, through the age of sail and the industrial age, into the technological age.” This statement is simply false. Your essay is quite insightful about how hard it is to overcome the biases that we’ve been brainwashed with, Clockwork Orange-style. Then you make the statement I quote above, which has no real basis in reality. The Enlightenment ™ was the pseudo-philosophy of the philosophes, who were just publicity-hungry middling intellects. The fact is that hierarchical societies, including monarchies and fascist states, are just as able to… Read more »

Compsci
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Compsci

There may be a little bit of “post hoc ergo propter hoc” in Z-man’s alliteration wrt the enlightenment and technological progress. But the main points remain solid. As you note one of the most tyrannical societies of modern times, USSR under Stalin, went from an agrarian backwater to 1st world nuclear power orbiting satellites in a space of time breathtakingly short.

Dutch
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Dutch

The idea that the checks and balances of our republic will be honored, has been shown to have failed spectacularly. Argue the various reasons for that, if you want to. But the fact of the matter is that people will ultimately be ruled over, not governed by fair democratic representation, every time. The trick is to make sure that the ruler somehow represents your personal interests, even if contrary to the interests of others, not the other way around. That is why I suggested no partitions yesterday. This is a one-side-wins-all game, even if there are three or four or… Read more »

Compsci
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Compsci

Dutch, agreed. We win, they lose…but even within our group, the majority of us are not capable of self government via democracy as implemented with universal suffrage. Suffrage must be earned and kept a prize that is worth striving for. So as we embrace HBD truths, we must realize that we as an ethnocentric group are also subject to such “laws”.

Lineman
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Lineman

Amen to you both…When we get a chance to talk f2f I would like you to look over my proposal about suffrage and see where it can be improved…

Compsci
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Compsci

Albeit abstract, the discussion of “rules for suffrage” comes up regularly here. However, the discussion would take a Z-man posting and entire comment section to even scratch the surface, so I tend to stay out of it—but rather content myself with the mention of the concept of a political organization sans universal suffrage. Hell, I’d just like to see a reasonable scheme for changing balloting and choosing of political candidates for office. It could do a lot to open up the current “2 party” system.

3g4me
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3g4me

Against my better judgment, I just looked at Gottfried’s article. Yet again he rails against the “grotesque” charges of racism and antisemitism he and others have been the target of for however long. Like most of his writing, it is inspired by personal animus. He is bitter – not merely at the broken system, which we all are – but at how his own career has been harmed and limited by the liberal right. He epitomizes the “but what about meeeee?” type that Vox Day so cruelly but accurately satirizes. And for Gottfried to claim identitarianism (what he refers to… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

The checks and balances built into the governmental plumbing of our republic were supposed to serve to check the individual human ambitions to dominate and plunder. It turns out that this assumption was false. Ambition does prevail, and ambitious people will organize, tribally, to lord it over others and steal their stuff. Case in point, the current crop of Democrat politicians and their Republican sidekicks. Realism about the human condition needs to incorporate this phenomenon, and to brush it away as an anomaly is a certain sort of willful ignorance for what is right in front of your eyes.

ReturnOfBestGuest
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ReturnOfBestGuest

Indeed. I was rubbernecking on Twitter this am (not a member) and the NT cucks are positively salivating for impeachment so their “dream team” of Pence-Haley can start a war with Iran. What the hell is wrong with these people?

Nathaniel Bell
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Nathaniel Bell

The future of humanity is the clan. This is evident no matter where you go or who you talk to. The Kazakhs have an interesting system, where several families make a tribe, several tribes a clan, and several clans a horde. Each step up has less authority over the individual but more authority over their race in general. It organizes the mass of people while still keeping most control at the local, indeed blood level. It is not as valuable for political purposes now, but is a key social stabilizer/safety net in that part of the world. I’ve not had… Read more »

Nathaniel Bell
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Nathaniel Bell

I’ve had some coffee, so here’s background on what I posted earlier. I’ve been to Kazakhstan twice this year, about seven weeks in total, and despite my sincerest efforts the intricacies of clan law are not to be revealed to outsiders. Nonetheless, I can describe the effects of it. It prevented inbreeding in small, isolated populations for millennia. It changed Islam far more than Islam changed it, to the point that the Muslim missionaries stopped bothering. More interesting is how it dealt with the USSR. Stalin, a man for whom the ends always justified the means, had no qualms about… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

Nathaniel
I hear you Brother and agree with what you stated and my proposal is based on that for suffrage where the closer the issue is that you are voting on the more power you have to control it and the further away the issue is the less control you have in voting for it but also the issue that is further away will have way less affect on you…

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

Amen. Tribe is truth

The future belongs to the religious, fertile and tough just as it always does, If you want a truly powerful tribe, add brains. Start forming your tribe now and beat the rush.

Firewire7
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Firewire7

Tribe — Clan — Horde.

We already have the theme song and (fun) video of this way of arranging ourselves. Here is the Mongolian band, Hu.

https://youtu.be/jM8dCGIm6yc

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

“Just as the Enlightenment struggled to escape the cocoon of the Middle Ages, biological realism is struggling for life today.” —- It’s not struggling, it’s just dormant. It’s dormant because enough people are paid to not see this reality. A mass bribery system, involving millions of people is in place to not see this stark reality. Trillions in deficits are run to NOT pay attention to this reality. Between governments, Federal state and local, , massive university systems, government contractors, tech unicorns, welfare spending, WIC payments, nonprofit grants, etc, the number of people who actually “make a living” is in… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

Which if you are in a true Community when it happens it will affect you far less than if you’re not…The tech is out there right now that will let a Community that wants to be prepared be totally self sufficient if you’re in the right area…

MossHammer
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MossHammer

JR and Lineman. While revealing about my lack of intellectual breadth, it seems governance tracks value exchange (bottom up) better than “experiments” in democracy. I’m intrigued by the challenges of scale in systems.
Lineman, finding such a resilient community (or one that can be stood back up quickly) is what I’m after…or invest in it’s development. I’m a polymath, which means I’m not really good at anything, but I get relational commerce. Proximity to producers of my needs is where I’m starting the hunt for said community. If you have other indicators, please let me know.

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

Self sufficiency is absolutely important. If you’re not self sufficient you would be a net drain on any community that accepts you. Everyone needs to bring something to the table. And there will be a lot of people on the side of the road with hands out. The good thing about where Lineman lives is that the cold weather would sweep away the worst ones. Where I live we don’t quite get the cold snaps to move people along, hence CA already has half the homeless in the country before we even have our big economic blowup. I’m going to… Read more »

MossHammer
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MossHammer

A plow! Grim humor based on truth.
Agreed that skills will be demanded, and I have a bit of that across several trades. My comment was specific to lofty forensic discussions and plans for government of the “next”. We have an eye on surviving the Next. While I’d love to see the plan for governing those that do survive, there is too much road between here and there for this brain.

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

Between this setup and the next setup you will have a bad set of years. I’m focused on being okay (no one will be doing well) during that bad set of years (the 2020s) before something positive emerges on the horizon. Think of 1990s Russia. That’s what we will have to get through. People selling shoes on the side of the road (that they stole from a UPS truck) to survive.

Penitent Man
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Penitent Man

Moshammer, A the risk of reaching into Lineman’s recruiting pitch and getting decked… if the Bitterroots seem too harsh an environment, consider northwest Arkansas” Ozark area. Gentler clime, suitable economy, friendly right leaning (mostly) people, ample water, inexpensive land, church oriented groups and defensible hills and mountains. Lineman, don’t get angry Brother, where we can gather anywhere in safety we are stronger as a whole. And you Lineman Sir, have a friendly safehouse if you are ever traveling through Ozarkia. All will be in full swing in three years. As an aside, Cascadia in northern Washington, aside from the blemish… Read more »

MossHammer
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MossHammer

Thanks, PM. I have seen good data on AK…drove through once, it’s beautiful. Lake of the Ozarks are amazing. As a 8th gen Southern man, it’s hard to look outside this dirt…but pragmatism may win the day.

Lineman
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Lineman

Oh no Brother I want that very thing to happen all over this country where it’s feasible…I love the Ozarks by the way and looked at locations there as well…I just love the cold more than the heat and bug situation 😉

Lineman
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Lineman

Proximity to producers of my needs is where I’m starting the hunt for said community. If you have other indicators, please let me know.
That is a good place to start but look too at what potential the place has for the future as well…If it can be defended easily, if it can be cut off from outside support and still survive, if it can feed it’s inhabitants by what it produces etc…Which I have done which is why I chose where I did…

MossHammer
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MossHammer

Lineman…excellent. Thank you. Defense was lower on my list but you’ve reminded me of physical security beyond a property line. I think I’ll start a Best Practices list for dissident outlooks…Thank you (all of you) for offering excellent perspectives on this blog.

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A fine work on the ridiculousness of egalitarianism is Martin van Creveld’s _Equality: The Impossible Quest_.
https://www.amazon.com/Equality-Impossible-Martin-van-Creveld-ebook/dp/B00UVLE20W/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=equality+martin+van+creveld&qid=1569944337&sr=8-1

It is an antidote to one’s notions of egalitarianism.

Intellectual efforts to envision an egalitarian society require supremely asinine prerequisites: children do not exist, territorial integrity is assumed, no privation, etc.

Practical efforts to impose egalitarianism result in spilled blood. The volume dependent on how vigorously egalitarianism is pursued and how out of line with reality are egalitarians’ objectives.

Dutch
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Dutch

That’s where women come in, because they generally aim for an “egalitarian” system, to ensure their independent place at the table (whether or not this is true at the granular, micro level can be easily debated, but that is a conversation for another day). They see men of color, gay men, and transsexuals as allies in their quest. The evil white heterosexual male is the enemy here, because he insists on hierarchy, generally by force and the pecking order. Three things come from this. The first is that many mothers encourage this gay male, gender fluid thing with their male… Read more »

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Here’s the paradox: In their own world, women are rigidly hierarchical. In my very first week in school, I noticed the chicken pecking order and the dominant lead female and the other girls fawning around her. I didn’t get it…didn’t make sense. Therefore I was excluded. Update to now, I dropped the big local fiber arts women group because it got taken over by the dominant organizationally prone women who set the agenda and the tone that all women should be producing artworks, active and volunteering according to the lead females. I like small groups and don’t like being moved… Read more »

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Women have been so brainwashed, we have forgotten, not taught, common sense in men-women relationships. “Until we understand the real differences in what compels our behavior, especially under stress, we’ll keep bringing out the worst in each other. And never experience the real beauty of both men and women.” Men are now viewed as adversaries. There is a woman teaching common sense ways to understand both men and women. Just an idea….. https://www.understandmen.com/ Firstly, I don’t look at my husband as a girlfriend. That’s what girlfriends are for. I look at him more as a space alien then set out… Read more »

Dutch
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In my wife’s line of work, she has to deal with women, squidgy men, and occasionally real men. We work together to get it right for her as the real men relationships are concerned. Similarly, I work with female subordinates and, occasionally, superiors. She guides me away from the counterproductive actions and traps I might fall into. We are a team, as far as that goes. Venus and Mars. There are two “between the wars” British shows out there. Mrs. Dutch loves Downton Abbey, and I steel myself to sit through it. I like Peaky Blinders, and she is fascinated.… Read more »

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Happy on you for a team marriage! Are you referencing BBC 2013 Peaky Blinders? Confused it with John Thaw’s The Sweeney. I’m much like your wife…..too much mayhem and suspense and I pick up a book or drift out of the room. Couldn’t make it through Band of Brothers. Good stuff but too much stress for me. Are gals hardwired this way? Couldn’t watch Bluebloods when the PC Vibrant riots and chicanery popped up, triggered my working in downtown Oakland horror show anxiety. As for Downton Abbey, I’m done for now after seeing that Thomas the Underbutler plants a big… Read more »

Damian
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Damian

Certain women seek gay guy friends so that their own promiscuity doesn’t look bad by comparison!

TheLastStand
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Free men are not equal. Equal men are not free.

DLS
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“This is why we see campaigns by radicals to expand the ballot to children, criminals and the mentally feeble. They couch their cause in fairness, but ultimately what is driving them is absolute egalitarianism.”

I don’t think it’s that noble. The Left wants to expand the ballot for the cold, hard reason that children, criminals and the mentally feeble can be vote-harvested. Fairness and egalitarianism are the red herrings.

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ReturnOfBestGuest

That’s also the point of third-world immigration.

Da Booby
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This brings us back to the problems of “intelligence”, which no one adequately understands, and perhaps no one truly can. There are many kinds of intelligence, but no “intelligent people” in an absolute sense. Ask yourself this: if you had a major physics or mathematics problem would you not want Einstein to solve it for you? Of course. But does that mean Einstein is intelligent? Not necessarily. Would you want Einstein managing your retirement portfolio? Or running the country? Not so obvious now, is it? Speaking for himself the Booby would love to have Einstein tackle his physics problems (if… Read more »

Crud Bonemeal
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Can’t upvote this enough, someone is not fully red pilled on HBD until they understand both the importance AND the limitations of “intelligence”.

Many progs have a reasonably high IQ…but this just makes them better at learning the rules of progressivism and navigating its complexities.

Similarly, the equality meme has certainly had disastrous effects, but that does not necessarily mean we must create a society which seeks to maximize inequality.

DLS
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DLS

“Would you want Einstein managing your retirement portfolio? Or running the country?” That depends on the alternative. If it’s Biden/Warren/Harris, or anyone in the general population with an IQ below 90, I would choose Einstein every time.

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Felix_Krull

There are many kinds of intelligence, but no “intelligent people” in an absolute sense. Intelligence – as measured by IQ tests – is a general quality: if you score high on an IQ test, you’re academically competent across the board. Idiots savants – people who are brilliant at one thing and incompetent at others – do exist, but they’re a tiny minority. Chance is, if you’re good at math, you’re good at most other stuff too. The trope about “multiple intelligences” is Commie nonsense, no actual scientist believe in it. There’s one intelligence: “g-factor”, as the boffins call it, or… Read more »

DLS
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“Next to your parents’ income, IQ is the best predictor for success in life.”

Even that might be understating the IQ effect, as IQ and parental income are themselves highly correlated. In da fense of da booby, I would also list judgement and self control as two lesser predictors of success that are not necessarily highly correlated to IQ, though the ability to delay gratification does tend to correlate to both success and IQ.

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Felix_Krull

Even that might be understating the IQ effect, as IQ and parental income are themselves highly correlated.

True, but with proper sample sizes and statistical methods, the two factors can be separated.

IQ is perhaps the most useful metric in psychology, if for no other reason that it’s the only psychological trait that can be quantified in any meaningful sense; you have a cold, hard numbers to compare.

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It might if we were able to exclude the “nepotism factor.”

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Felix_Krull

It might if we were able to exclude the “nepotism factor.”

A fairly simple exercise, provided you have access to data on the social networks of your samples, and in all likelihood it is an intermediate factor of parental income.

Just as IQ is the most useful metric in psychology by virtue of being the ONLY reliable metric, statistics is the most useful tool because it’s the only scientific tool in the psychologist’s box. You can do near-miraculous things with statistics, if you have sound data.

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Felix, correct. I don’t subscribe, nor do I understand there are many in the field who still do, to “multiple intelligences”. However, we often seem to dwell on intelligence as the singular entity in the puzzle of “success in life”. The early researchers (IIRC) like Galton, discussed two important aspects wrt success: IQ or intelligence (IQ measures being in their infancy) and “Character”. Character being a quaint term for certain personality characteristics like attentiveness, openness, agreeableness, etc. All correlated with IQ, yes, but nonetheless important to success in life. Dutton discusses these in his new book, “The Genius Famine”, under… Read more »

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Character being a quaint term for certain personality characteristics like attentiveness, openness, agreeableness Yes, social intelligence. I would’ve inserted a caveat about that, but thought “fukkit, just stick to the main point,” but it seems social intelligence is less correlated to IQ than the other skills. The problem is that social intelligence isn’t quantifiable like IQ is, so it’s difficult to say anything analytical about it, except that it definitely to exists, and that it definitely influence your success in life. As for conscientiousness, that’s even harder to measure, and I suspect it is more of a cultural trait than… Read more »

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“Both struggle, however, to transcend their conditioning, which shows how powerful the egalitarian ethic is in the West. It can overcome not only facts and reason, it can make you question your own observations.”

I have not read them, but is it possible Hazony and Gottfried are faking a compromise with egalitarianism to avoid being crushed by backlash?

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Yes, as long as the trapdoor of equality remains underfoot, the debates over how ‘our democracy’ should function are merely forks colliding over pie crumbs. The other dangerous aspect of equality baked into democracy is that it undermines the social mechanisms that an honest reckoning with hierarchy provides. Instead of people building communities around the reality of their fellow man, we get the Government lording down the Law that all men (and women!) are equal. Because the Govt is at once the official handicapper of the more capable and the caretaker of the less capable, communities can no longer function… Read more »

L. Beau Macaroni
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L. Beau Macaroni

Nick Land is right about women democracy.

Yves Vannes
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The Enlightenment was a consequence of the decay of a naturally evolved nobility. This decay was caused by the Reformation. Not its theological battle but by the collapse of the temporal authority of the altar. Throne AND Altar maintained a balance in how a natural nobility carried out their respective rights and duties. The Throne protected its charge from predatory outsiders and malicious insiders…The Altar saw to the needs and rights of the non noble castes and kept in check the overreach of the worst of the nobles. (The Reformation was the result of 3 centuries of steady rot within… Read more »

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Over and over, a central thesis reappears and becomes inexorable: the moral high ground is the lynchpin to all arguments regarding culture, politics and everything that issues from these. If your moral axiom (egalitarianism in this instance) rests upon observably false conclusions about human nature, all deductions subsequent will fail you eventually. This may be why for we dissidents the bread and butter of mainstream politics and cultural arguments has become so meaningless and irrelevant. Sitting in an airport, overhearing the rank hysteria over impeach orange bad man on CNN, one wonders at the at the impotent hours spent by… Read more »

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ReturnOfBestGuest

Now that even “equality under the law” has fallen by the wayside, the equality farce becomes a more and more difficult sell.

Compsci
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“…one wonders at the impotent hours spent by so many minds on fruitless gyrations about events that change nothing…”

George, I know you are being somewhat rhetorical in your response here, but you answered the question yourself. The average joker rants and raves because he knows no better—and more importantly, is incapable of knowing better. Hell, the average joker wouldn’t even understand your posting with its references to Rousseau, and you want to discuss “mental constructs”?

That’s democracy for you in the 21st century.

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As an example of the topic. I just watched “the five” on FOX. It is really a third rate talk talk show, of course they all are now, but I watched. You have Donna Brazile attempting to make a point about something and it is obvious that she is a total moron. No serious person should pay any attention to her at all. Yet you have the other members of the panel listening attentively, or pretending to listen, to her sub 90 IQ logic. They must act like she has something worth saying because “equality”.

The Babe
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The Babe

Reality is on our side, but the problem is that reality doesn’t win hearts and minds; propaganda does.

And the fact is that if we want to win, we’re going to have narrativize, romanticize, and emotionalize (i.e., propagandize) our thing. Because the average person’s mind only receives information in these forms.

Normie hears the unwieldy term “human biodiversity” and starts becoming comatose.

Reality needs help. So, strange to say, we’ll have to be “propagandists for truth.” We have to tell people a simple and compelling (and, indeed, flattering) story.

Dutch
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Dutch

Yes, people understand their world as a series of stories, internalized. We need to be compelling storytellers.

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Pursuvant

Very nice, Babe & Dutch. You can do it without propaganda, you can use mythology. Bring the old myths forward by using modern metaphors, to cut thru the intellect and reach the awareness.

Bring forward the retold myths that teach what it is to live a human life regardless of circumstances. That inform the individual they stand on a ground of being. That they are a part of something, a member of tribe with honor and duty to participate with their peoples. That ultimately they are something beyond the objectified apparent world.

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Yep, you don’t win with the truth, at least in the short run. Z correctly says that we need a positive identity, but I’d argue that before we can present Joe and Jane Normie with an alternative, we need to get them to stop believing in the current system; otherwise, they’ll never be open to even listening to an alternative. And to get them to doubt the current system, we need to show them its hypocrisy, immorality and hatred of whites. That may be negative, but it’ll work. Interestingly, Asians are the wedge into whites’ minds because whites can look… Read more »

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As discussed before, there is a new generation of Whites growing up in a far harsher environment now arrayed against them than any previous generation. They will be the natural recruits when the Boomers die off in the next 20 years and Generation X is found to have no solutions, but rather been basically complicate in the current breakdown of society.

The trick now would seem to survive the current onslaught of repressive measures being arrayed against us and researchers in the field of HBD.

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As discussed before, there is a new generation of Whites growing up in a far harsher environment now arrayed against them than any previous generation. Yes. As someone said above, our generation is living a life of material superabundance – we are the Knights of Summer. Nothing more illustrates this than Youtubers who complain about Youtube censorship: they take the shekel but whine about the lack of lube when they get assraped by their chosen masters. The next generation will be less concerned about making money and more concerned about securing the existence of our people and a future for… Read more »

Cockpit
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Cockpit

Found this article relevant for the need of a new and healthy narrative. Unfortunately we have become herded cattle.
https://www.counter-currents.com/2019/10/american-cattle/

Damian
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Damian

I think for most people esp the ones that think emotionally it comes down to two things: Does position ‘x’ on this issue ensure that I fit in to the group. Does it also make me a good person. In that case I shall support position ‘x’.

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In response to UFO from yesterday:
“You had multiple children and not a single one gave birth to children? Are they past the child-bearing age now?
Goodness, America is effed.”

UFO….We are effed. My folks were Commies. They were only children. I am an only child. I had 1 child. This is your upsidedown pyramid of the Left. My girl had endless miscarriages. Life is relentless. So make up for my lack. Please be aware I made a long trek across the desert to get to this side of the divide. Children or not.

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Yeah, I wasn’t blaming you for a lack of grand children or anything, it just struck me as sad to see the end of your genetic line. I plan to have ten or more white children, ideally. Living without children seems attractive when you’re young – more free time, more time to work, way more money saved… BUT in every scenario I run in my head, it’s awfully grim once you crest middle age and are staring down the last 20-30 years of your life, alone. High future time orientation, as the HBD crowd says. So sad to see young… Read more »

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Range Front Fault

Oh Lordy! I’m still laughing! You go man! Horse before the cart….find a good compatible gal and enjoy a gaggle of kids. You don’t have to end up like the donor bulls.

As for being the end of my line, Eh…the way it is. Somebody has to be the end of the line. Might as well be me. After I croak, I won’t even care.

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If for whatever reason I end up not getting married, I will become a sperm donor and impregnate white women. It sounds like a joke but it’s not.

Don’t do it. When your children think of their father, they will visualize some loser in a clinic cubicle, whacking off to Stormy Daniels for fifty bucks a squirt.

Fighting with wombs is the strategy of barbarians, the strategy of vermin. Quality, not quantity, will determine the outcome of the coming conflict.

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Have the 10 kids, but then devote yourself to homeschooling, and then buy a farm. Those kids need to be separated from government propaganda and a peer group of fools … then they need labors to grow and thrive, and lessons that will allow them to survive/thrive through crisis. Just my 2 cents. I had 6 kids (4 not yet out of the home) … the farm came along 10 years ago and cemented every relationship in our family. Tell the 10 kids 10 times a day that they are each others’ best friend … it will be a self-fulfilling… Read more »

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My parents tried for years and years to have kids. By the time they gave up they no longer qualified to adopt an infant (too old). They were pushing fifty when we came along. I wish people would think twice before making assumptions (which are none of their business, anyway) about why some folks are childless or have only one child.

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Fifty-plus years’ ago I grew up with schoolmates we now call “red diaper babies”; then, in my super-liberal then-women’s college, lots of the same. I have not changed my political “spots” and either have they, many continuing in prosperous professional careers. I would say that 85% or more of the women I grew up with are either divorced or never married. A few pioneered doing odd things like trans-racial adoptions — but they still ended up getting divorced! One classmate has a trans child, with a much younger 2nd husband, from female to now male and a Ph.D. in trans… Read more »

Sleepy
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Sleepy

I read that Gottfried piece, and there were some revealing passages: 1) Despite his nod to dissident Right ideas like “the limits of pluralism [and] genetic influences on social behavior,” he is really just a another “creedal conservative.” He’s just offering a slightly different flavor from the one on offer from other “creedals” like Benny Shapiro and Yoram Hazony. Anyone can join who is “concerned with social morality, a sane non-interventionist foreign policy, and the taming of the egalitarian madness that is now subverting most Western societies.” He wants to “stand for something” rather than stand (and live) with someones.… Read more »

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Christian Schulzke

New best post ever!

It is frustrating to listen to Dissident Right types talk as though we just need to tweak the system a little bit and all will be well. They just want Liberalism circa 1980. Liberalism without foreigners. Liberalism is the problem. it has to go. However, that is very scary for many people, even those on the Right.

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I’m all for tweaking the system (short-term) if it doesn’t harm us in the long-term.

the Russians
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“The history of democracy is a blood bath to prove it works everywhere for all people.” succinct.

Rod1963
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The interesting thing is the average American has no interest in forcing democracy on foreign nations. Our people had to be goaded into various foreign ventures ranging from the Spanish-American war to WWI and WWII. Same with Iraq 1.0 and 2.0. All the other current wars in Africa and ME were started by our elites not by the American people.

However what we do find is that corporate and political interests hide behind so-called politicization efforts like the Arab Spring and the color revolutions in the old Soviet empire.

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Everybody gangsta til the shoe on the other foot, yo.

It’s easy for people to say their race is better, or [insert X characteristic] is superior, but people seem to have a hard time squaring the moral bankruptcy of the elite with their superiority in other domains. It’s hard to acknowledge your own inferiority, and that undermines the ability of people to believe in hierarchy.

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CAPT S

This is a heady essay – much food for thought. Maybe I’m unimaginative but I still think some of our Founders got a lot of things right, but they unfortunately didn’t take the conspiracies of their day seriously enough. The Anti-Federalists saw it but were sidelined; this was a regrettable turning point in our history. Today’s progressives work to build their brave new world with a wrecking ball to history. But dissidents need to go back to workable foundations – realistic assumptions – and stand on the shoulders of ancestral truth. This was the formula of Jefferson and Paine. In… Read more »

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Actual fundamental science wins every time in our version of the future.

Meanwhile…

The left is now trying to challenge math.

https://www.k12.wa.us/sites/default/files/public/socialstudies/pubdocs/Math%20SDS%20ES%20Framework.pdf

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Now theyare promoting all the characters of Alice in Wonderland to prominence everywhere and let them use their insanity to wreak havoc on all.

Firewire7
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Firewire7

Oh,
My
Gosh.

Rogeru
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Rogeru

Muy estupido.

ProUSA
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ProUSA

The founders created a republic instead of a democracy because they knew about the biological distinctions spoken of throughout this essay. They were influenced by the Enlightenment but not wholly controlled by it????? I dunno, Mr. Z; I do suffer from Dunning-Krueger Effect, but I have two cents and I keep spending it. I haven’t read you long enough but I wonder where religion fits in your thinking. I liked how you pointed out the possible events which might explain how we got here: The Sixties; Obama; WWII; Obama; One-Worlders Post WWII; Obama; 1913 the Fed; Obama; the amendments creating… Read more »

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I think the embrace of radical egalitarianism, at least on the surface, was intended as a sort of drug for the masses. It’s like a controlled train-wreck that can no longer be controlled. If the lumpenproletariat think they are equal, they are more likely to remain quiet and enjoy the bread and circuses. But once they detect the Great Lie, they become “disquieted”.

Rod1963
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Rod1963

The steam engine took us into the industrial age, not some gobbledygook from gassy European philosophers. Without that discovery by Watt and other hard nosed engineering types there would be no industrial age. As to what has destroyed our society, you’re wrong. You seem to believe that we have a functioning republic when we actually don’t. It’s been a oligarchy for quite a while. Most of our woes stems from our business community. The business community in America has always been in love with cheap labor. The Cold War put a kibosh on declaring war against the American worker for… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

Add to that the cheap credit that entices the business community to always build out for growth, not sustainability in a zero economic growth environment. Then one has to get the growth through immigration and/or exporting the jobs. So business gets on the growth treadmill, and then has to buy into all the liberal pablum to keep the treadmill going.

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Also the “financialization” of the economy that happened during the 80s. “Let’s package up this bad debt in the form of ‘securities’ and let the next sucker worry about it!”

UFO
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UFO

“And in the space of 24 years managed to utterly ruin our country economically and demographically. it doesn’t even resemble what the country looked like 30 years earlier.” This is what I find so shocking. It doesn’t even resemble the country from 15 years ago. I am young. I can look at videos of my city from 1985, 1995, 2005… and it is almost 100% white people walking around. What happened? Even in my childhood during the early 2000s, there was barely a non-white person to be seen. In the center of a large urban city. And now, you go… Read more »

Rod1963
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Rod1963

Same where I live here in the high desert of Southern California. In 1985 my town with almost all white,very low crime to the point you didn’t have to lock your door at night. The public schools were safe and good as well. By 1989 we started getting low income apartments and black trash from Los Angeles to inhabit them. And then came the crime increase. The city parks became drug dealing and gang hang outs no longer fit for children By 2005 the town was getting very brown thanks to our open borders.Our public schools became unfit for whites… Read more »

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Time to plan escape, Rod.

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Been in SoCal for 10 years. Coastal blue collar city of HB. Was mostly white in schools. Now, not so much – only 23% of students in CA are Caucasian, and this really happened virtually overnight (in the span of 10 years). It is noticeable and real. In most of the interactions within my company and other settings, often times I am the only white – which makes me a minorty in those settings. Dispossessed majority – yes the pols have been lying to us. California is the model. Demographics are destiny. It should be no surprise though, this has… Read more »

Rick Hornung
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Rick Hornung

Great article, Zman. In a number of articles you’ve succinctly diagnosed the problem with liberal democracy. But I’m waiting for an article or podcast in where you detail your thoughts on what should replace the current orthodoxy, that is how a society that recognizes biological realities should be organized and structured. It’s one thing to diagnose the disease, which you’ve done well. But what medications and cures do you propose?

MossHammer
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Amen, RH. I’m ready for some framework, even with blanks left TBD. For now, I’m focused on the sphere around me. Durable systems and supplies, and now expanding to geography. I want to contribute to our side along the way, however. What is the Next?

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Here’s how I read the situation of liberalism: If liberalism had been able to succeed *without* enfranchising the masses, I think it would have done so. But the chief *political* successes of liberalism were always tied to expanding ‘the franchise’, whether electoral or economic. It seems to me that the Right’s position is that one *earns* the right to political power (franchise) by contributing to the ‘nation’ in some Right-approved manner, such as being a soldier or a mother. Liberalism got its *financial* backing by supporting private property and the accumulation of wealth. This created a moneyed elite whose *political*… Read more »

Rogeru
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Rogeru

I doubt the new morality can come about until the limit to population is found. We’re currently too big to manage and certainly too big to be an actual nation even if only white people are counted. No real change can happen in such an anonymous society where nobody knows or trusts each other.

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The “too big to manage” is addressed by a reduction in centralization. I understand where you are coming from, but reducing the total size of the nation’s population probably won’t do much when a centralized government wishes to control every aspect of “economic man”’s life—for his own good of course.

Rogeru
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Rogeru

My opinion is an oversized, anonymous society necessitates a strong central government. Its authority fills the void left when personal contact is replaced by suspicion and competition in the body politic.

Ryan
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Ryan

After re-reading the Paul Gottfried piece, my short takeaway is he incorrectly blames the social dysfunction caused by low IQ on a lack of morals, while not correctly blaming the social dysfunction of high IQ white eletes on a lack of morals. He also depends on one ridiculously false dichotomy, that preventing the country from filling up with low IQ third worlders contradicts reigning in the high IQ liberal elite that’s wrecking our morality. His list of credentials makes it a little hard for me to believe he doesn’t realize that’s nonsense.

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I find it strange that the “Enlightenment” was the code, which supposedly worked under Monarchy, through various revolutions, before women could vote, during the slave trade, and even after the 17th and 19th amendments here as “all the same thng”. (Aside: Communism/socialism assumes human beings are malleable to an extent greater than the worst cuckservative or SJW). The very first question is whether to attempt “legacy support” and try to come up with something that would work in a heterogenious multicultural setting, or if the first thing is to reestablish homogenity and then seek the governing framework. The least common… Read more »

dad29
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The Enlightenment was the software needed to take Western man out of the Middle Ages, through the age of sail and the industrial age, into the technological age.

There are a lot of smart people who don’t agree with that statement. The “enlightenment” introduced Leftism, not ‘scientific discoveries.’ BIG difference.

Science was doing just fine and (although contra-factuals are only guesswork) it’s likely that we’d have all the goodies without the disruption of the Left.

Bill_Mullins
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“[T}he underlying assumption of democracy . . . is [that] all men possess the same set of talents.” The biggest mistake I see so very many making about “equality” is that people totally fail to understand what Jefferson meant by that word in the Declaration. The very first of Jefferson’s self-evident truths was that “all men are created equal”. On the face of it that statement is patently absurd. People are taller, shorter, stronger, weaker, smarter, dumber and that is just some of the ways people are UNequal. They are of (at least) 2 genders and come in a range… Read more »

Bill_Mullins
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“[I]f every man’s say in the running of society is equal to the rest, if it carries the same weight at decision time, then all men must truly be equal” Robert Heinlein had an idea in this regard which bears examination. In Heinlein’s mind only citizens would be afforded the privilege – AND burden – of participating in governance. So there were two “classes” of people – “citizens” and “residents”. Now “residents” had pretty much all the same civil rights as “citizens” with one major exception – they could not vote (any more than non-citizens may lawfully vote today), nor… Read more »

Compsci
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Compsci

Heinlein was right. We might have to adjust how suffrage is “earned”, but the concept that by dint of birth you have a say in the affairs of State simply isn’t working in today’s society and we can see that all around us. The trick of course is how to put the genie back into the bottle. That of course brings up the dreaded word, “disenfranchisement”. And of course discussion implies a political solution through a political establishment that will never relinquish power. But as long as we recognize such, a discourse now and then may be a useful distraction.

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Well, in a way, we already have what you suggest, just not in the way you might hope. Do we have pretty much universal suffrage for adults today, other than felons? Yes. Do the elections really matter in the grand scheme of things? No, the Government Party just does whatever it wants. So, who actually is a citizen today? Apparently, you’re only a true citizen if you’re a government employee in the courts, the legislature, or the federal bureaucracy. If you’re in those arenas as an employee, you get to invent new laws through regulations, dictate personal behaviors (courts), openly… Read more »

Bill_Mullins
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Damned if you’re not right! So my version of the old maxim about “those who can” – “Those who can, do. Those who cannot go into government (civil service or public office, it matters not) so they do not have to do anything but breathe.” The reason I never applied for a government job after getting out of the USAF was because I would have HAD to have grown a beard since I wouldn’t have been able to look myself in the mirror and was too poor to afford to go to a barber for a shave. Sidebar: Have you… Read more »

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Here’s the problem you’ve got, and I’ll use a non HBD example to illustrate it. I used to teach math. As a math student, you might be asked to solve an equation. Well, there are several ways to do this, but that list of ways is finite. In other words, once you list all all the possible solutions, you really cannot go hunting for a new way because there isn’t one. You’re stuck with the available choices. Or, another example, I worked with nuclear weapons for several years. My deputies would always get freaked out by evaluations because, to them,… Read more »

Lorenzo
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Lorenzo

“Where we are at is whether or not we are going to allow the Government Party to turn the USA into a police state, and who are we prepared to arrest and hang to prevent it.”

That’s the existential problem up front right now.

Bill_Mullins
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I kinda lean towards Kurt Hofmann’s approach.
“Evil exists because good men don’t kill the government officials committing it.”

sheliak
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sheliak

The author cites only the Enlightenment as the fount of the egalitarian impulse in the West. He neglects to mention its equally influential twin, Christianity, which promulgates equality among men as essential. Question: are Christian nations and empires inevitably doomed to failure in this world by following the admonition to love thy neighbor as thyself? It currently appears to be the case.

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Mark Stoval

In my opinion, this is the best essay of Z-man I have seen. Followed by one of the best comment threads I have seen. I hope Z-man will revisit this topic in the future.

I was unable to join it due to work deadlines, but finally got to read it all. No one has claimed to be “high IQ” but there has been much wisdom posted here on this thread. Bravo.

No one has claimed, like the stupid elsewhere, that one generation is the cause of all our troubles. This is a multifaceted problem.

AC this is broken
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AC this is broken

“No one ever stops to wonder if maybe those nasty liberals and errors in judgement are a feature of liberal democracy, rather than a defect.”

Isn’t the first third of Mein Kampf someone doing exactly that, and then coming up with a solution?

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

Outstanding essay. I also struggle to let go of some parts of the Enlightenment.

dad29
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Anent the Enlightenment, here’s a perspective which is ….ahhh…enlightening!! ….good science always invokes, often albeit unconsciously, the Aristotelian/Thomistic four causes – material, formal, efficient and final. But once you believe in the four causes, the existence of God is as forceful a conclusion, nay more so, than the empirical conclusions you make in your respective science. This is shown in the arguments of Aquinas – the five proofs. (See Feser “Aquinas” inter alia.) The Enlightenment (Hume, etc) famously abandoned efficient and final causality. (Hume said that the fact that a brick causes the smashing of a window is a false… Read more »