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Minority populations in any society have faced the twin problems of expulsion and absorption by the majority population. On the one hand, they need to play an important enough role to be needed by the majority, but not become a threat. On the other hand, they need to maintain enough separation between themselves and the majority in order to keep their people from fully assimilating and disappearing. Assimilation in America, for example, has erased much of late 19th century immigration.

The Amish are a popular example used by people interested in demography as well as human behavior. Beginning in the early 18th century, these mostly German Anabaptists began moving from southwestern Germany to Pennsylvania. They were rural people, so they settled into rural parts of the colony as farmers. They setup their unique communities and exist to this day as a unique and separate minority. Amish in America number about four hundred thousand.

A theory for why this tiny minority that lives outside modernity has managed to survive is that they have become more Amish over time. That is, the traits that make them Amish have become more intense in the population. This has been a natural counter to the increasing pressure of the modern world, which seeks to homogenize everything to death. As the tentacles of cosmopolitan globalist get stronger, this defense mechanism of the Amish has grown stronger as well.

The theory works something like this. Let’s assume a range of Amishness that runs from one to ten. One is the least Amish and ten is the most Amish. In the early years, the average Amishness of the group was around five. Some people were attracted to the community for reasons other than the rural, separatist lifestyle. Others were extremely attracted to the whole package that defines the Amish community. Let’s assume a normal distribution of Amishness in the community.

Over time, the people closer to the low end of the scale would peel off for one reason or another, deciding to leave the community. The sorts that were just in it for religious reasons would find a community of people who shared their beliefs, but also engaged in the modern world. Every generation, the people lacking the Amish trait would be tempted to leave the community. In time, the average Amishness would increase as the low score left and the high score multiplied.

This is not just a cultural issue. There is a biological component. Just as height is a function of genes, personality traits are also rooted in our genes. This unique sense of belonging was most likely part of this people before they embraced their particular religion in the Reformation. Inside the group, the more intensely Amish will be more fertile, while the rest will be less productive. Every generation, the most Amish of the Amish would outnumber the least Amish, increasing over all Amishness.

That’s the very shorthand version of what is called boiling off. Something similar has probably been happening with ultra-orthodox Jews. Those Jews with the traits that are selected for by the cult rise in status, get married to a female inside the cult and have lots of children. Those lacking these traits, are not only less desirable, but less interested in wearing fur hats in summer. They will be less likely to marry a member of the cult and reproduce. They may leave and take their genes with them.

These populations of ultra-orthodox Jews have developed a natural barrier between themselves and the host society. Anyone who has had dealings with the ultra-orthodox knows they are like space aliens. In fact, they are like extremely obnoxious space aliens, who seem to oblivious to their surroundings. Their hostility to outsiders is so intense and instinctive, it presents a barrier between them and everyone else. Even other Jews, maybe especially other Jews, find them impossible to tolerate.

This raises the question as to whether some form of this has played out in the more secular Jewish community. Ethnocentrism most certainly has biological roots, growing out of endogamy, the habit of marrying within the group. This was true of Ashkenazim for a long time until they reached America. In the 20th century, these Jews were faced with a set of conditions for which they had no natural defense. That is, they faced no strong hostility from the majority society.

Beginning in the middle of the 20th century, the Ashkenazim could marry outside the group and participate in all aspects of society. The result being lots of the less Jewish members simply blending into the surrounding population. First, they lost their connection to the faith and then they lost their connection to the identity. Lots of Americans have a Jewish grandparent or great grandparent, but have no connection to Judaism or Jewish identity. That was lost in the past.

Unlike the Amish or ultra-orthodox, over all fertility among Jews has plummeted, so the highly ethnocentric are not producing children faster than Jews are defecting. The overall size of the Jewish community has declined of late and current fertility numbers suggests a sharp drop in this century. Still, if the highly ethnocentric marry within the group, the result over time could be an increase in ethnocentrism. Those with strong Jewish identity will be the those with extreme ethnocentrism.

Of course, without the more secular and assimilated Jews around to police the ranks for excessive expressions of ethnocentrism, the hyper-Jews begin to dominate. That could be why the modern media age seems to be festooned with Jews like Michelle Goldberg and Ben Shapiro. There are no moderate Jews around to muzzle these people or at least moderate them. From the perspective of outsiders, these extreme voices of ethnocentrism become the voice of the entire Jewish community.

This raises another angle. As America becomes majority-minority, the same sorts of pressures will shape white populations. Southern whites, for example, will probably become more Southern. Those with a strong sense of community will marry others with the same traits and have lots of kids. The Southern whites, who wish to live as urbanite bugmen, will head off to urban areas to die. This will repeat in all regions and over time, the regional culture will become more intense.

That’s not the only possibility, of course, but it is good reminder that numbers are not all that matters in demographics. The Amish have survived in a hostile world by becoming more intensely Amish. Jews have survived all over the world through endogamy and ethnocentrism. Cultural and spiritual intensity, like fanaticism, are force multipliers. They allow small groups to punch well about their numbers, even less intelligent people like the gypsies.


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ronehjr
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ronehjr

” As the testicles of cosmopolitan globalist get stronger,”

I’m assuming you meant ‘tentacles’, but it’s definitely funnier this way,

joey junger
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joey junger

Well, I think they’re having fewer children and testosterone rates are cratering, so perhaps the testicles of the elite are getting weaker, more enervated, their loins “un-girding.”

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

Jews still have a unifying factor – their hatred of the goyim.

Jack Dobson
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Jack Dobson

It’s probably their last cohesive trait. Ironically, Jewish males often marry white–very white and blonde–chicks just to mentally stick it to the goyim and in the process miscegenate their way out of existence.

Toasty
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Both the Amish and Jew benefited from a largely benevolent majority.

There is no guarantee the white population will be left alone to become “more white”.

Whites could end up like the Zoroastrians in Muslim lands, persecuted to various extents and slowly dwindle over time until they are almost nonexistent

Member

Read a book called Lost White Tribes by Riccardo Orizio. It’s like a premonition in a horror show

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

Exactly. The Amish wouldn’t have thrived in Zimbabwe. And despite their overblown tales of pogroms, Jews have generally been allowed to live their lives without much interference.

Jews were bred to deal with whites. We are their natural host. Asians and Indians aren’t, and Jews will find them much more difficult to live among. Blacks without money from whites are also a problem for Jews; they’re dangerous and not profitable. Again, how many Jews are doing business in Zimbabwe.

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Again, how many Jews are doing business in Zimbabwe.

I think you’ll find an awful lot of them in the gold and diamond trades in Zimbabwe and neighboring countries.

Johnny55
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Johnny55

LOL, even after the genocide in Haiti, there were the special people again, running their schemes!! I mean, trading…

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That appears to be (((the plan))).

Rwc1963
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Rwc1963

Bingo. Z is missing context in a serious way. We not only suffer from hostile browns but a white ruling class that wants us dead and gone and doing everything to make it happen. We are not going to be allowed to live in peace in gated communities. The elites won’t tolerate that. Look how hard they try to prevent us from organizing at any level. Imagine what CA will be when we have a Mexican governor and assembly. It will devolve into Juarez in short order. We already have a cartel presence here, the Mexican gangs have infiltrated the… Read more »

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Marko

Even though it’s popular in these circles to largely blame Jews for convincing whites to trade in their trad families for dildoes, keep in mind that Ashkenazi Jews do the same thing. Cat ladies and dog moms are not just whites…they are Jews as well. The J-leftists don’t have many kids either. Just remember: Chuck Schumer has a lesbian daughter, and that’s a blessing of liberty (for us).

FashGordon
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FashGordon

Well that’s the problem with being psychotically vengeful aint it? You profligate a virulent immuno-supressive mind disease that infects the host to think down is up, virtue is vice, and unity is weakness, well don’t be surprised if that virus becomes contagious and some of your own are infected as collateral damage. It’s tempting to laugh as them but really them being infected as well probably makes it even worse for us since they still hold the levers of power and them falling victim to their own mental poison will likely cause them to ignore the problems created by it.… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

Well, his other daughter married a Jew so the boiling off continues. Btw, here’s what Schumer said when he first heard heard about the boyfriend who would later become her husband: “When she talked about him, she said she had a boyfriend named Shappy, and I was a little worried because Shappy doesn’t sound like a Jewish last name,” Schumer said. “But that was his nickname. His last name is Shapiro. He’s a wonderful boy and we’re very happy.” I’m sure goy senators could get away with saying the same thing except using the word “white” instead of “Jewish.” I’ll… Read more »

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
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Ris_Eruwaedhiel

Two friends married Jewish fellows and converted, but their husband’s families were angry with them marrying Gentile girls and one was disowned. I wonder what Ivanka Trump Kushner’s in-laws think of her. She seems to have embraced Jewishness. I guess that she’s a useful idiot serving Jewish and Israeli interests at the highest level. Imagine if it was discovered that Donald Trump remarked in the past that he wished that she married a Christian boy. That would be grounds for impeachment.

vmax71
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What do you IF he remarked? He has on numerous occasions joked that Ivanka could have married Tom Brady , instead of Jared. She went out ona date with Brady, I think. He said it as recently as a couple of years ago. That is why Giselle keeps him away from the POTUS.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
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Ris_Eruwaedhiel

Just read this tidbit about Charles Schumer in a NY Post article about his daughter’s lesbian wedding. By the way, his daughter is fat. Surprise, surprise.

“Alison Schumer, 29, is a six-figure product marketing manager at Facebook — which has donated about $50,000 to her Democratic Senate minority leader dad, a vocal defender of the social media titan on Capitol Hill.”

https://nypost.com/2018/11/18/chuck-schumers-daughter-weds-in-brooklyn/

Facebook gives his daughter a well-paying job and donates to his campaign and, he, in turn, defends them. Quid pro quo, anyone?

De Ferres
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De Ferres

What’s the difference between Donald Trump and a liberal Jew? Donald Trump has Jewish grandchildren.

Yves Vannes
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Fragmentation within the Jewish community has always been a survival strategy for them. It has given them the ability to survive in one form or another but never allowing them to achieve great numbers in comparison to the hosts they’ve come to depend upon. This strategy goes back to the Book of Genesis. Jacob married in-group. His brother Esau married a Hittite. If one was wiped out the other would survive. This has been their strategy since. They lose some of their people to the ‘other’ but a core always manages to survive. Some Jews became members of the other… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

I agree, but I suspect that new host will not be the Chinese (or Japanese or Korean). For one thing, they don’t look alike. That may sound silly, but it’s a powerful reminder that the other person is from a different tribe. People joke that if Jews’ faces were blue for a week, the masses would wake up to how powerful they are. Well, to the Chinese, Jews basically have blue faces. Jews have painted themselves into a corner. Muslims hate them because of Zionism. The West will fall apart and Jews won’t be a loved group afterward. The Asians… Read more »

ChrisZ
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ChrisZ

“Fragmentation within the Jewish community has always been a survival strategy for them. It has given them the ability to survive in one form or another but never allowing them to achieve great numbers in comparison to the hosts they’ve come to depend upon.” This is a brilliant insight, Yves. You offer many paths to explore; but what comes to my mind is how Assimilation vs. Separation constitutes one of the major Scriptural themes. The Bible seems to come down on the side of Separation, but only nominally. Again and again we’re introduced to extremely assimilated figures (Joseph the Vizier… Read more »

Yves Vannes
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Exactly

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

I made this point the other day. American Whites are likely going through a genetic bottleneck. Those who don’t want children no longer need to have children to have sex. Whites with low levels of ethnocentrism will marry non-whites.

The remaining whites will be more family oriented and ethnocentric, which probably means more conservative and religious. Becoming a minority group will only intensify this process. Liberal, multi-culti whites are a genetic dead-end. Even if they have kids, those kids will be a mix, and the mystery meat crowd will be no match for unified, ethnocentric groups.

FashGordon
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FashGordon

The data supports this, mixed kids have by far the worst outcomes. Graduation rates, suicide, mental problems all much higher than average. They kill themselves at an even higher rate than white kids, and that’s with media, academia et. al. constantly praising them while disparaging and maligning our kids. Imagine how bad off they would be if the environmental situation was reversed.

Dutch
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Dutch

Fash, mixed anything is a problem. The mixes stifle honest and open discussion and problem solving, as everything has to be filtered and watered down to accommodate the “mix”. The racially or culturally non-mixed can aggressively deal with problems and issues, with community support of the proposed solution, instead of hedging and argument all around about the best course of action. Black gangs are brutal, but there is a clarity of action there.

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Felix_Krull

I can imagine no greater existential tragedy than being born mixed race. I’d rather be a pure-blood pygmy, at least I’d have an identity.

Lineman
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Lineman

The book Out of the Mountains covers that well Dutch…

c matt
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c matt

Maybe – depends on the mystery meat mix. A White-Asian MM is at a far different level than a Black-Hispanic MM.

De Ferres
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De Ferres

White asian mixes have their own massive forums/subreddit communities dedicated to hating on their white dad and complaining about their lack of a sense of identity. They, especially the wamens, make blacks look positivity pro white in comparison. The males in particular seem to struggle massively finding dates and socially integrating. See Elliot Rogers.

Paintersforms
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Paintersforms

Yeah I know a couple of asian dudes who were adopted as infants by whites and they still have identity issues.

UFO
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UFO

Asian-“Americans” born to Asian parents have identity issues, man. Ever been on Subtle Asian Traits? It might as well have been White Man Traits because almost every single post was “white folx do X” “white folx don’t do Y”. East Asians, especially Han, have freaky brains.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
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Ris_Eruwaedhiel

Would they have preferred to remain in an orphanage, neglected and possibly starved to death? That would have been their fate if not adopted.

One reason Americans adopt Chinese orphans (almost all girls) because they don’t want to deal with a baby mama who changes her mind and wants the kid back. Solve one problem, get another.

Compsci
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Compsci

If you can’t get a White child, get an North Asian. There are plenty of non-Asian colored children to adopt, but I suspect deep in one’s heart is a knowledge that such is a dangerous practice—even when the child is ostensibly White. I’m going out on a limb here with absolutes, but I have never seen a non-White adoption that has panned out, nor a White adoption that has not been problematic. Exceptions of course where adoptions are within family trees and such.

TheLastStand
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Kinda surprised about the women being so unhappy. White-Asian women have the potential to be one of the better looking combinations.

UFO
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UFO

To be honest, as the number of young whites is close to matching the young POCs in Canada, I’m not noticing an increase in ethnocentrism. The young whites are just assimilating into the POC culture – talking in beginner ebonics, obsessed with basketball, claiming they’re “embarrassed” to be white.

Ironically the boomers are becoming ethnocentric now but it’s far too late for that.

Things have gotten really bad here since Trudeau won in 2015. But from what I’ve seen, most whites are just not equipped to handle mass migration.

Paintersforms
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Paintersforms

Most young whites have the culture the TV gave to them. Whether or not they know it they were taught to be childless, middle-aged professional gay men throwing a party.

UFO
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UFO

That’s true. If you’re taught your whole life that you’re useless, a loser, living on stolen land from the Indians, an evil racist, and inherently sinful (with no path to salvation), you’re going to start acting that way. I see most of my young adult peers as emotionally stunted man children, who can’t make it through a tough situation without grabbing for the bong. It’s sad, but it is what it is. I try to show them a better path.

Johnny55
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Johnny55

A thousand times this. Shitelibs are literally breeding themselves out of existence. TFR at 1.1 and that is likely inflated.

UFO
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UFO

It’s shocking to see how few children these people are having. Even from the Gen X generation, the urban white peers of my father were not having children. The TFR was less than one for his friend group from high school. Same thing at work, it seems like over half of the whites just aren’t interested in having kids. Some are married, some are single, some are dating. But the contrast is stark: there are about 10 white men currently under 40 who plan on having no kids. There are three of us, who will (2 Christians and one motorcycle… Read more »

UFO
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UFO

And therefore, keeping the poz away from our children as they work through the “education” system should be one of our paramount goals.

Paintersforms
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Paintersforms

Don’t absentee, don’t hover, don’t ego trip. Family comes before the individual. For kids and parents alike. That seems to be half the battle.

Compsci
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Compsci

Here’s a Boomer example. Wife has a close group of 5 grade school friends. They get together every year. Now everyone is 60ish. Results: Wife, 2 children; friend 1, 3 children; friend 2, 0 children; friend 3, 0 children; friend 4, 0 children; friend 5, 0 children. That’s 6 women, 5 children. You do the TFR math. I’d note as well that 3 of the girlfriends could not even manage a husband—and no, they are not Lesbians. Sigh.

Dave
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Dave

All white people 200 years from now will have a patriarchal attitude toward women and a shoot-on-sight attitude toward diversity, like the North Sentinelese but with better weapons.

A B
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A B

Ironically, the Jews and their golems are putting us through a great sandblaster; the caked on dirt and rust is being stripped away to reveal the gleaming sword underneath. We are being purified.

Let’s just hope that there are enough of us when the time comes. 2.5 centuries of industrialization and 1+ century of propaganda have done one hell of a number on us.

John Smith
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Hmmmm. You cite religious examples here and use them to good effect. We may well see the same phenomenon apply politically too. Consider the shitlibs: they emasculate their men, abort their children, and actively undermine their own families. This is fine in times of ease and largesse… but when things get critical, suffice it to say that Darwin and Murphy do not suffer fools lightly. In the meantime, trad families are on the rise on the political right. Hostility to outsiders and predation is growing. I myself am confronted with aspects of the JQ and race I would never have… Read more »

UFO
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UFO

I know you’re Canadian too… I wish I could agree but even at the trad prot churches with biblically sound preaching, mixed race marriages are taking place, rap music is popular for younger people, and the whites still lack enough ethnocentrism.

In Ontario whites have responded by going ultra liberal and it’s a big blackpill. The majority of young whites are stoned out of their minds most of the time.

Educated.redneck
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Educated.redneck

John Smith’s point gives me the warm and fuzzies with respect to millenial americans. Muh ge-ge-generation consists either of 1) urbanite bugmen galley slaves that are mentally, financially, and physically incapable of progeny, or 2) family-centered traditionalist reactionaries. My generation won’t have to talk of the Third Way bc the Second Way will no longer exist. The middle is dissolving faster than Joe Biden’s denture cleaning tablets.

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Calsdad

I’m seeing more and more awareness show up on other sites I check out. I see it in comments on Youtube. I see it on other forums. Still a lot of whining from the normie boomercon types about “racism” and shit like that – but I have noticed that if you keep carefully poking people they start to take notice. The comments from the POC are usually the best arguments you can use to make your case – since they usually do and say stupid things to make the case for you. Here’s an example of what I’m seeing –… Read more »

TheLastStand
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The same thing is happening to our people. Left wingers demonstrate their virtue by marrying outside their group and having 1 or 2 transgender children. We will be fewer but better and that is fine. Rosie’s Drift, the Battle of Mogadishu, and numerous other incidents prove that numbers, low IQ, and high time preference are no match for organized and disciplined force. Be thankful that fate has found you worthy of being tested and live up to the mighty deeds of your ancestors. You are the descendants of winners who defeated other tribes and took their women. They did not… Read more »

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I think you meant Rorke’s Drift and your spellchecker didn’t want you to talk about that. I’ve noticed my spellchecker seems to be a (((spellchecker))) sometimes when I type hateful things about hatefacts.

Here’s an awesome song about it by the Swedish band Sabaton. The lyrics (printed in the video) are quite poignant given what’s happening to Sweden and the West overall. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emKPydpF7Aw

Then of course there’s the classic movie with Michael Cain.

TheLastStand
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The movie and the song are excellent. My future sons shall be raised on them.

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Official Bologna Testers

Z Man said: “Unlike the Amish or ultra-orthodox, over all fertility among Jews has plummeted, so the highly ethnocentric are not producing children faster than Jews are defecting.”
Hello jew haters! Good news! 😀

Here’s an article from a site called “Tablet” entitled : “The Collapse Is this the end of American Jewry’s golden age?” Enjoy!
https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/282724/the-collapse

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Sure. We can believe this entirely objective article. “Look! We’re disappearing! You don’t have to worry any more about us, goyim!”

Paintersforms
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Paintersforms

If demographics is destiny and Jews are losing political clout… it might be true.

Screwtape
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Screwtape

Perhaps someday in the heartland of our dystopian united states of economy the story of our people will note the era of saint Obama as the great boiling off. When half our people decided to embrace white hate and become something else, melting into the mocha of modernity, while the rest of us circled our wagons and dug in. I get the blood part. The hostile world is a centrifuge. Buy where I wonder about our people is the soil part; the connection to the land and what role that will play – if any, as the great clown world… Read more »

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If we’re going to stay current with technology we need our own cloud infrastructure. Don’t let us leave the Cloud to the Cloudies!

Screwtape
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Screwtape

For sure pozy. It goes with our need for economic security within our own communities, not the superhighways lined with globohomo mines that we have now. Part of the challenge is that we don’t seem to be very good at curating the cloud infrastructure to choose what is best for out people and rejecting those things that are plainly pozz vectors. The speed at which these vectors are incorporated and deemed essential leads me more toward an Amish level of skepticism, even the seemingly silly technicalities around “ownership” of these tools. When people get upset that facebook is banning crimethink… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

What about when white hate is the official law of the land?
It’s coming pretty fast https://www.foxnews.com/sports/college-football-coach-suspended-adolf-hitler-dinner.amp
I hope he gets a big payout after he goes after them but shows how far we are down the road where we are fair game to kill with impunity… Which brings back to the point of having Community so we can stop that before it gets to that point or the very least make them fear coming after us…

Paintersforms
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Paintersforms

FWIW the Amish are thriving. But they circle the wagons and support each other. I see unskeptical tech adoption as the mark of the damned.

Gravity Denier
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Gravity Denier

“… Where I wonder about our people is the soil part; the connection to the land and what role that will play – if any, as the great clown world spins. … Luckily there is still quite a bit of land.” There is still quite a bit of land, but almost all of what’s left is already dedicated to farming and resource extraction — support for the urban masses. The rest is mountain, desert, etc. unsuited to large-scale settlement. How much “connection to the land” does the megacity dweller on the 18th floor in a high-rise condo forest feel? There’s… Read more »

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Felix_Krull

Interesting. What you’re saying is that the Amish are tribalizing, becoming a people. In 300 years, they’ll have their own language.

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I’ve speculated in my more sci-fi revelries that eventually we may be forced to use something other than English as it becomes ever more laden with infinity-pronouns and ever more qualifiers to avoid offending some remote tribe of transgender astronaut/sheep herders. There’s also the “gibberish problem” as different groups mangle the language in different ways. I often find basic Spanish easier to understand than whatever Indians are saying in their version of English.

Gravity Denier
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Gravity Denier

English is remarkable in having dozens of different ways of saying almost anything, being an amalgam of Latin, French, Anglo-Saxon roots, and many other contributors. It’s both a virtue, as it makes expression in English full of interesting choices, but a drawback (especially in an age of multi-culti) because it’s easy for tribes to form their own dialects and slang. This linguistic centripetal force can create barriers to understanding. In French and Italian (and I am guessing Spanish) the grammar, syntax, and vocabulary are much more limited. That makes them easier to learn than English. I sympathize with foreigners trying… Read more »

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Felix_Krull

I heard some dude on the internet make this interesting observation about food: when the food is out in the field, muddy, smelly and noisy, it is called by its Anglo-Saxon name: swine, sheep, calf, fowl, cow.

When it’s been cooked and is ready for polite company, it is called by its French counterpart: pork, beef, veal, poultry, mutton.

Just putting it out there…

I sympathize with foreigners trying to understand English with its massive stylistic range.

That’s the fun part.

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

Makes sense, William the Conqueror and company were more concerned with the end product as opposed to the Anglo-Saxon peasants who raised the animal.

Johnny55
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Johnny55

In 300 years, the Amish will rule America with an iron fist…

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Johnny55 said “In 300 years, the Amish will rule America with an iron fist…”
Christianity is in for the ass wiping of a life time. In 300 years America won’t exist and the Amish will be fertilizer in mass graves.

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Official Bologna Tester

“The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off.”
― Joe Klaas, Twelve Steps to Happiness

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Felix_Krull

If the Amish ruled America, they wouldn’t have iron.

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Official Bologna Tester

Felix_Krull said: “If the Amish ruled America, they wouldn’t have iron.”
They wouldn’t have the RQ-170 Sentinel CIA-operated drones either. Ya can’t run an empire these days without those. Not to mention lots of porn and fentanyl.

Christian Attorney in Ohio
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Perhaps joining one of these groups (or pretending to) is a way to survive future turmoil. The left ignores these groups or think they’re quaint. They are not considered deplorables even though they probably vote for Trump and/or have similar beliefs. Here in southern Ohio are many German Baptists. The women dress oddly like the Mennonite/Amish women, but they drive cars, use electricity and have indoor bathrooms. i believe they allow outsiders to join.

Dutch
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Dutch

Having known well some Mennonites, and maybe having Quaker roots a couple of generations back, it seems to me that part of their deal is that they need to isolate themselves. If they mingle with the broader culture, they seem to get confused about how to express themselves, or how to properly practice the the things that form a basis of their thing. The melting pot is supposed to make it all work, but instead I see it jamming people up, internally, and making them unhappy and confused. There is a good reason for separatism.

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Dutch, that is 100% true. The Amish essentially have no converts, we know one young woman who is trying to convert because she is dating an Amish boy but it isn’t going to end well. Conservative Mennonites are just about as bad, we were a very conservative Christian family, 8 kids, my wife covers her head, etc. but we never could quite fit in with a local conservative Mennonite church. The barriers are just too high. It often felt like the conservative Anabaptist groups like the Amish, Mennonites, German Baptists and Hutterites, were more wary of other Christians than they… Read more »

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Mennonites drive cars, use electricity and have indoor bathrooms.

And some Amish homes, even old order Amish, you’d be hard put to tell the difference: they’re as clever as Hasidic Jews at legalistic workarounds of their strictures.

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I still vividly recall driving in Lancaster County, PA on a beautiful spring day around 1990 and seeing a family of Mennonites driving in the opposing lane (going quite fast actually) in what appeared to be a mint condition Model T. That seemed to be how you could tell Mennonites from Amish. Mennonites drove perfectly maintained ancient cars. It was sort of like Cuba except the clock stopped in about 1925 instead of 1958.

Paintersforms
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Paintersforms

There are different kinds of Mennonites. Some are nearly indistinguishable from normie. Some dress modestly. Some only drive black cars. Some have buggies like the Amish.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

In the hinterlands of Deep Ohio, early morning, there was the typical big house with not one wire or phone line leading to it.

On one side of the yard, the bonneted missus, in bare feet, was grumpily digging in a pile of pig manure, wheelbarrow beside her.

On the other side, there was the mister in suspenders, belly and beard jiggling merrily, as he happily chatted on his brick cellphone next to his new F150. Twas parked by the carriage.

Heh. Seems they’ve got their priorities in order!

TomA
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TomA

And everything that you describe on a religious and ethnic level is compounded at the species level. Mean IQ is declining across the board because our current environment neither culls the stupid nor engenders fecundity among the intelligent. The best and brightest become affluent and then spawn fewer children, not more. And the dimmest go on welfare and then make babies in order to get more government gravy. That is the artificial selection driver of the modern age.

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

The same Orthodox Jewish radicalizing that’s happening in NYC is also happening in Israel. Mainstream Jews just want to sit on the beach in Tel Aviv and not have kids, while the radicals are far out-producing them. This will end in having enough demographic political power to strip Israeli arabs of their citizenship and voting rights, and eventually banish them, making Israel 100% Jewish within its borders, but this will also turn Israel into a pariah state like 1980s South Africa. This same process, worldwide, will roll back globalism and will be a major challenge to the coast to coast… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

Part of the original basis of the U.S. was separate communities, but cooperating and finding a reasonable consensus on the big stuff. We have forgotten (and have been jammed up by our “betters” to forget) both halves of that deal. We will be better off if we can find our way back.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
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Ris_Eruwaedhiel

Tel Aviv is the gay capital of the middle east. The Ultra-Orthodox live off of welfare while the men go to yeshiva, scam the government in various other ways and dodge the Israeli draft. They’re widely hated even by their fellow Jews in Israel. Ultra-Orthodox are only obligated to behave ethically towards their fellow Jews, who, in their eyes, are only fellow members of their sect. Not adherents of different ultra-Orthodox sects nor non-ultra-Orthodox Jews. That’s why they scam both the US and Israel governments. I think that Israel is the modern equivalent of the ill-fated Crusader Latin Kingdom of… Read more »

Carl B.
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Carl B.

America =

Argentina if we’re lucky. Mexico if we’re not.

Jim Smith
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Jim Smith

Chile if we’re lucky. Brazil if we’re not.

UFO
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UFO

Brazil if we’re lucky. They don’t have affirmative action and whites have no illusions about “coloured” behaviour and race.

Rhodesia or worse if we’re unlucky. Nobody knows how dumping a bunch of middle eastern and asian trash into one powderkeg is going to work out. It’s certainly a horrendous mix.

G Lordon Giddy
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G Lordon Giddy

Good article. And a reason that blacks and browns can assimilate together but assimilation into white societies and intermarrying whites in large numbers is another more difficult step. But we certainly see the media on our TV’s telling us it’s the future. Whites lost their ethnic identity through intermarrying. Jews to some degree also but they do still have Jewish identity that survives in many cases in America. Whites not so much. Now all the powers who rule us need to do is make the white identity a negative identity. Our ethnic identity is gone as whites. Makes me think… Read more »

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https://twitter.com/josh_hammer/status/1221921212328304641

(((Every single time.)))

Leah Litman (U of M Asst. Law Prof): “on the 75th anniversary of the liberation of auschwitz”
Josh Hammer: “Top-tier law school prof casually connects concept of public charge immigration restrictions, which quite literally date back to colonial times, with the Holocaust.”

joey junger
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joey junger

What I find strange is that people who just “happen to be Jewish” or even half-Jews like Bill Maher or Tim Wise seem to demonstrate the unpleasant traits more than the side-lock and velvet kippah types. Pretty sure Soros doesn’t go to synagogue (though I can see him practicing human sacrifice in some Mithra/Epstein “Eyes Wide Shut” temple while Hillary drinks blood from a goat skull). Kevin McDonald has noted that Zuckerberg mostly wastes money on teaching dindus to code rather than pouring dough (thus far) into Israel. In high-school I went to a Jewish neighborhood to see my math… Read more »

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I’ve noticed this too. I think people like Zuck, Soros, and Maher actually ARE very religious. They have boiled off the supernatural elements of their religion and left the secular ones. This also means they don’t waste their time in the synagogue or chanting at the Wailing Wall and have more time for political mischief. This may also be why they all come across as so unpleasant (Maher in particular). They are the pure essence of the archetype of the pious prick.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
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Ris_Eruwaedhiel

Not an original observation that half-breeds (think Obama) are the most virulently anti-White and obsess over their non-White ancestry. They don’t feel comfortable in their skin.

I looked up what Mencken wrote about Jews.

Dave
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Dave

Demography is destiny. In two or three hundred years, all the D and C climate zones will be populated by Amish farmers, the B zones by Muslim goat-herders, and the A zones by savages running naked through the jungle poking each other with pointy sticks.

Ethnic parasitism is not a viable strategy in the long term. Your host will either weaken and die, or wake up and kill you. There will come a day when no one who accepts a ride to the welfare office is ever seen again.

Belisaurius
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Belisaurius

Don’t forget the Mormons. They are a much bigger, better organized group. They marry young, marry within the group, and have lots of kids. The less committed boil off into generic American culture. The more committed stay that way and have 7 kids. They keep trying to find converts in Africa and South America, but keep falling back in finding their growth from young families having lots of kids in Provo, Boise, and Mesa.

UFO
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UFO

It takes a certain level of self control to be a devout Christian or mormon that only whites, some arabs, and asians have. Islam is unironically better for blacks, Mexicans and most arabs.

But yeah the mormons are pretty pozzed on race now. Support mass immigration. As I said, whites are just not equipped to deal with this situation. I would like to hear some theories why.

Only 1-3% of the current white population seems to be equipped with the Gene of self preservation and ethnocentrism.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

One theory-
GL Giddy, above:

“Whites lost their ethnic identity through intermarrying.”

Johnny55
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Johnny55

Yes. The Mormons are at TFR 4 I think. Thus, although starting from a larger base, they will not expand as fast. However, the reconquista of Colorado, NV, AZ, NM shall continue apace. Dems will lose those states forever.

james wilson
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I visit Utah frequently The poison pill in Morman ideology is Universalism. They think they can organize the world but globohomo is already organizing them back. Think Mitt Romney.

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They also bleed members at a staggering rate although they never tell anyone that, plus they believe some stuff that even by organized religion standards is pretty crazy. The mormons are headed for a serious schism soon as the super-conservative ranks get fed up with the leadership surrendering on race and sexual morality.

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“They keep trying to find converts in Africa and South America, ”

No, the purpose of the missionary work is to reinforce on the young Mormons themselves the wisdom and importance of the choice they have made to live within Mormonism: It exposes them to dregs created by other choices.
I had this explained to me by a senior LDS guy as we were negotiating a $200 million deal involving a play on the Yen iirc.
This was twenty odd years ago and it seems to me they’ve lost the plot a little since then.

Belisaurius
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Belisaurius

That seems to be very true – the LDS churches outside of the US bleed members and constantly need to be subsidized. The Utah kids that come back from their missions either leave the church completely disillusioned, or are fully committed. It also seems to me that the Mormons in Utah can afford to be generous to outsiders and refugees because the native Utahn is having 4 kids on average. Even if one leaves, it’s no big deal, and the newcomers will never seriously compete with locals.

Johnny55
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Johnny55

My Favorite Topic!! When you are always blackpilled, think of nothing other than, if current birthrates hold (and they’ve held for 120 years) then by 2200, the Amish will number 300MM in the USA and blonde hair and blue eyes shall not perish from the Earth.

Remember, around 1900 Amish population was 5k. Now 400k. Watch it continue to explode. The midwest, including PA, MI, OH, IN, WI, etc., within a generation (maybe two), will never vote Dem again.

Mike Ricci
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Mike Ricci

Suburbanization will wreck them soon enough.

It’s just as well though; the Amish are passive, inbred retards. Definitely not a group to admire.

Dr. Dre
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Dr. Dre

Not a lot of blonde hair and blue eyes these days, either. They do look alike and that is not good for future demographic prospects, either.

James O'Meara
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James O'Meara

” they are like extremely obnoxious space aliens, who seem to oblivious to their surroundings.”

The hostility btw the Orthodox and normal people in Williamsburg is such that the former will not infrequently walk into traffic or the path of cyclists, because they literally do not see goyim. Fact.

Vegetius
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Vegetius

I don’t think the Amish (or the Space Aliens) live “outside modernity”.

Rather they live within postmodernity — and largely on their own terms.

Which is an incredible achievement.

Rwc1963
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Rwc1963

They are living on borrowed time. They are a function of a white society that is well on it’s way to extinction. When white society is gone, their protections will go as well. People are ignoring the fact the Left and the elites are dismantling the country. Opening up prisons, turning felonies into misdemeanors thereby giving a green light to criminals. Ending stop and frisk, etc. And what’s happening in VA is a test run for the rest of the gun owners in the U.S. The Mexican cartels now control the drug trade in the U.S. Corporations are replacing white… Read more »

TheLastStand
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Wonder if we could bargain with the Amish for food and shelter in exchange for providing protection?

UFO
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UFO

Amish don’t believe in violence, even in self defense if their lives are at risk. They will die and go to heaven rather than shoot to kill. They literally fled from Germany because they wouldn’t stand up and defend themselves. No undeveloped white country to flee to now.

Major Hoople
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Major Hoople

I’ve talked with a number of young Amish men, and I have a strong feeling that they would not let their families or communities be vandalized by violent thieves. Lots of Amish in northern NY, and every one of them seems to have a gun for hunting. I know they are supposed to be pacifists, but when push comes to shove…

abprosper
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abprosper

The Amish even have a built in pressure valve called rumspringa. Interestingly a hotelier friend of mine had some Amish guests (a married couple) on rumspringa . when he asked about it, they said its growing less important and less common which suggests the Amish are increasingly well Amish and no longer need this safety valve as much which matches what Z was saying. I also note by any standard they have crazy high fertility , five to seven is the norm and for the first time in history have become a majority group in one rural Pennsylvania county. Another… Read more »

Jack Dobson
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Jack Dobson

“Southern whites, for example, will probably become more Southern. Those with a strong sense of community will marry others with the same traits and have lots of kids. The Southern whites, who wish to live as urbanite bugmen, will head off to urban areas to die. This will repeat in all regions and over time, the regional culture will become more intense.” This has been the pattern for about 20 years. Even in Southern urban areas, there are clusters where this phenomenon can be seen, almost like there were specific, distinctive ethnic neighborhoods once in major Midwestern and Eastern cities.… Read more »

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MossHammer

What an exciting prospect! If “boiling off” projects the descent of our current population, then is there a subsequent “distilling” of high IQ white groups? What happens if these trad traditional smart white folks find urban densities of their own? Who can guess the wonders they would create!
Or, do you suppose, the ticks and parasites will fight and clamor for the last drop of value from this new utopia?

The collapse, at scale, seems obvious. But what of the condensed, aware and durable population of our people that emerge? Give me some of that!

Horace
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Horace

“… personality traits are also rooted in our genes.” Human cellular energy management biomolecules have structural similarity with bacterial energy management biomolecules because they have common allelic ancestors. The physical neural basis of sapient thought in humans is, in a similar way, encoded in a genome which is itself an evolved extension of the simpler neural structures possessed by the instinctual-behavior-only common ancestors we share with ants, dogs, and whales. (How does an ant know what to eat, fight, or mate with? How does a human?) Each of us spends a substantial portion of the waking day with the instinctual… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Somewhat unsettled by Jan.21’s “White Progressives”, I read about the brutal inhumanity of Moslem slavery, but then I came across the British practice of “shanghai-ing”. The Brits weren’t just kidnapping white near-slave labor for ships, no, but also for factories, farms, everything- including the Colonies. That got me thinking: I blame the Bolsheviks, but not the Stalins. Why not? Or the rape of Berlin- it wasn’t Jewish soldiers raping everything in Germany between 8 and 80. Now we see the White Left and Right bifurcating into separate peoples. It seems we’re seeing the setup to another Brother War, this time… Read more »

UFO
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UFO

Whites just don’t get along lol.

Time for yet another decimating intra racial war to destroy even more of our strongest Genes. In a time of high fertility this is okay but ever since ww1 it’s disastrous.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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Karl Horst (Germany)

My wife and I spent some time around Gettysburg some years ago and we made a point of visiting local Amish area and specifically local establishments (farm type ma and pa hardware stores) so we could meet and speak to the locals. These farm stores are actually very easy to find. Just look for a parking lot full of horse drawn buggies with young people sitting around outside drinking Mountain Dew or Dr Pepper. We actually thought we would be able to somehow connect with these relics of our past and speak with them in our “native” language. As those… Read more »

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I don’t think there’s anything sad about new language generation from dialect diversion, especially in an expanding population. Chaucer would think I’m speaking gibberish.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Regarding Space Aliens, an American in Cambodia said that every morning, the family had bats for breakfast.

Freaking Denisovians. Way too strange for a proper Neanderthal to ever understand.

And, as Ann Coulter said, my kung pao bat tastes a bit off. But, those restaurants!

Stranger in a strange land
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Stranger in a strange land

ah so…and we no see your cat

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Not to be contrary but the example of the Amish “boiling off” is not what we have experienced. In the time we have lived in Amish country, around 9 years, we have seen a remarkable loosening of the rules. Cell phones, power push mowers, solar panels for electricity. These are Old Order Amish but the elders in the church are fighting a losing battle against modernity. You should see my Amazon order history, it is full of stuff we order for the Amish. What is really killing them is not the technology, it is the affluence. More and more disposable… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

From the Woodpile:
http://www.amerika.org/politics/tomorrows-rebellion-will-be-mass-entropy/

A comment:
“”Black trans and cis women, gender-nonconforming, and nonbinary people are the backbone of our democracy” say future Heap Big Chief of Turtle Island.

It’s their country now, let them fight for it!”

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

PS- from “Sending Leftists to Venezuela”

“they want Communism with Netflix, where we want Mayberry with space travel”

JEB
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JEB

I think the “boiling off” hypothesis is quite plausible, but I have a quibble with this: Inside the group, the more intensely Amish will be more fertile, while the rest will be less productive. As long as they stay within the group, I see no reason to think that those with lower “Amish scores” will be any less fertile. They might not be as totally at home in it, but they will still be living full time in a quasi-pre-modern culture that values family and children, and they won’t be using birth control. Why would they have fewer children? Further,… Read more »

Vegetius
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Vegetius

Like the man said:

Quantity has a quality all its own.

Tim from Nashua
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Tim from Nashua

The Romany/Gypsy culture is like this also