The Mule’s Work

When Trump miraculously won the election in 2016, the smarter observers saw that he was not going to be a reform agent, but a chaos agent. Through the ballot, the public had injected a foreign body into the political system. How the system would react to that foreign body was unknown, but after three plus years the results of the experiment are coming into focus. What we are getting is chaos. Everything about the old order is suddenly in question, as everything about it is breaking down.

The most obvious example of the chaos is the old political order. For almost a generation, national politics was Red Team versus Blue Team. Both sides agreed on most everything as they were financed by the same people. Red Team wanted to be more naked in its slobbering than Blue Team over the men behind the curtain, while Blue Team wanted to be more hysterical than Red Team. Otherwise, no matter which way the people voted, the policies never changed.

Three plus years of Trump and we have prominent national politicians calling for a moratorium on immigration. Trump just claimed he signed an executive order temporarily halting all immigration. Whether or not this is true is entirely unknown, as Trump says all sorts of things that mean nothing. That’s not the point. What matters is that things that were forbidden just a few years ago are now being said in public by people who care very deeply about the taboos of modern society.

Of course, the chaos that will soon matter most to people is the chaos in the economy, which is beginning to get real and real fast. When oil futures hit levels never seen in our lifetime, we are in a different world than existed a few years ago. The nonsense about oil trading below zero is just news hype, but there is no avoiding the fact that the world is suddenly awash in BTU’s. What’s just as significant about this event is that according to the experts, it was not supposed to happen.

That’s the thing to keep in mind about the chaos that is raging all around us. The emerging liberal democratic order promised stability and predictability. Instead of booms and bust in the economy, it was supposed to be gentle slopes up and down as the central bankers steered the ship. Oil markets would no longer be the victim of forces beyond the control of suppliers. Instead, prices would be steady as producers coordinated with world government to temper supply.

What happens in a world suddenly awash in BTU’s? No one knows. Similarly, no one knows what happens when world government tries to turn the economy back on after they have had enough of the pandemic. In fact, no one knows if they will actually try to do it voluntarily. Local officials have gotten the whiff of authoritarianism in their nostrils and they like it. They may find out they like suppressing the minor protests that have been flaring up the past week. We are in uncharted territory.

What we are seeing is the work of The Mule. In the Asimov novels. The Mule is a special character, so special in fact that he is assumed to not exist. In fact, according to the known rules of the universe, he cannot exist. Because he does exist, thus invalidating the rules of the universe, he is the ultimate destroyer of worlds. His ability “is to reach into the minds of others and “adjust” their emotions, individually or en masse, using this capability to conscript individuals to his cause.”

This is Trump. In the primary, he won mostly by causing the Republican Party to go insane and destroy itself. In the general, the media went nuts and convinced the Democrats they had nothing to fear. In Washington, the establishment has taken every opportunity to discredit itself in a mad quest to deny the reality of Trump. In this pandemic, the masters of the universe seem to be determined to do everything they can to invalidate themselves and legitimize their enemies.

The madness of self-invalidation is probably just starting. Due to the crack down on economic activity, things like advertising buys have halted. So much of the internet economy, particularly the media, depends on the belief that money spent on ads and marketing is money well-spent. It was never true, but the new reality will suddenly bring that into focus. In whatever comes next, spending lavishly on ads and marketing data harvested by social media companies will be minimized.

To date, no one has figured out how to make a large-scale media enterprise work on subscriptions alone. Small-scale operations can make it work for the same reason small business can make it work. They have low overheads and focus only on providing the customer with what they seek. Mass media is mass propaganda, financed by corporate ad dollars. In other words, it is not just the political establishment finding itself in a new chaotic world of uncertainty. Its media arm is there as well.

Obviously, the biggest bit of chaos that the people in charge have yet to confront is the world after the crackdown is lifted. We have about 30% unemployment at the moment and the signs of increased economic slowdown. People forget that in the early weeks of the crack down, there was a rush of economic activity. That has subsided and firms are now starting to hear crickets. The curve benders fear a second virus wave, but wait until they get a look at the second layoff wave.

At the various lemon parties, the sobbing and moaning about Trump was understandable, as they never understood what Trump meant. Their politics are immature and based solely on what is presented to them in the media. Like children, they giggle when happy and cry when sad. Similarly, the “Orange Man Bad!” loons could never get past their hurt feelings to grasp the significance of Trump. As the chaos rages, these two camps now cheer like toddlers at someone shaking keys.

For the simple minded, the rising chaos brings to mind their preferred result, which they imagine is right around the corner. In reality, we are just entering the interregnum described by Guillaume Faye, in which the West lurches from crisis to crisis as it tries to reconcile the incoherence and contradictions of liberal democracy. In other words, Trump is not just the end of the old order, but the starting point for a period of chaos, as the world tries to create a new “logic of the universe.”


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T. Morris
T. Morris
7 months ago

Great article! Most salient line? There are several, but this one pretty well sums it up:

The curve benders fear a second virus wave, but wait until they get a look at the second layoff wave.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  T. Morris
7 months ago

The curve bender cultists are worse still.

They immediately label anyone who dares question the “official” curves as a moron, kook, or intellectual terrorist, regardless of the fact that the questioner may have substantial mathematical experience in their own right.

Save your energies for something far more productive than engaging with these cargo cultists!

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
7 months ago

I also like how healtcare workers have become a defacto military wing of the cultists. In one city, they were using a wall of nurses (or something gay like that) to block protesters.

tristan
tristan
Reply to  Lawdog
7 months ago

Healthcare in my experience are the most rule following script oriented morons pretending to be a science based discipline I have come across. The vast majority have little understanding outside the models taught at med school and even less interest in research. They blindly follow guidelines and parrot official guidance like some sort of priesthood. They could not develop their own diagnostic techniques to save their life. Even within the discipline the few doctors who actually bother to do empirical research tend to be pilloried and hounded even in their own profession if it goes against the dogma of the… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  tristan
7 months ago

I balefully admire your vitriol, almost the equal of mine 😀 Two comments:
Many of the rules in a system were set up as the best known way to manage a system, perform a mission or whatever. Even the best designed system will break under some stress.

You didn’t mention that government and other regulation often stiles innovation.

Member
Reply to  tristan
7 months ago

People who work in health care have to be first and foremost great at memorization not problem solving or concern for patients. Being selected for the ability to memorize what you are told is important doesn’t lend itself to a group of people who color outside of the lines

Andy Texan
Reply to  tristan
7 months ago

When the $20 Trump pills were shown to be the best way out of the mess, many of the vaunted expert doctors refused to accept this unwanted reality. No what we need are un discovered vaccines and 1000 dollar anti-viral medications.

theRussians
theRussians
Member
Reply to  tristan
7 months ago

every system that has hard scripted rules, I have found, is basically like the trouble shooting section in a 80’s vcr manual…the trouble I am experiencing is not there! In a world of sociopathic script followers and box checkers, that’s a problem.
there are 2 types of people in the world,
1. those that can extrapolate the next step from the supplied data,

Tim from Nashua
Tim from Nashua
Reply to  Lawdog
7 months ago

Which was Fake News worthy of Pallywood. The other fake thing going on is the, ”We’re all in this together.” meme. Another is the trite, virtue signaling of “Thank You First Responders” signs.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
7 months ago

Uh uh! White bring come back, bring more candy bars and cigarettes! 😀 — By Ben, who has in his real-life, seen a TV documentary about cargo cults!

Chief
Chief
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
7 months ago

The Branch Covidians have gone full retard.

Full. Retard.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Chief
7 months ago

If it’s going to be clown world, I think we should treat this like Halloween. Let’s all just dress up like samurai and ninja turtles.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Lawdog
7 months ago

Let’s dress up like and play doctor!

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Alzaebo
7 months ago

Scrubs plus medieval plague masks. What’s not to like?

The Right Doctor
The Right Doctor
Reply to  3g4me
7 months ago

I have a mannequin in hazmat suit, gloves and plague mask with a sprayer on my front porch. Her suit says CAUTION PLAGUE. Lots of people out walking and biking in our retirement community stop and speak. I’ve had Branch Covidians express concern. When I laugh, they peddle on.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  The Right Doctor
7 months ago

I’d like to see us turn up the mockery.

Corrupt healthcare
Corrupt healthcare
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
7 months ago

“Are the CDC, FDA, NIH and WHO warehouses where the medical profession puts their fascist schoolmarms, race-baiting clowns and third rate opportunists? They had one job. They failed. In fact, their confusion and misinformation made a bad situation worse.”

http://www.woodpilereport.com/

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  T. Morris
7 months ago

Some at Sailer have actually been pushing back. My fav: “More case studies like this will only result in unbearable costs, bureaucratic paralysis, and a whole lot of spurious conclusions based on the illusory degree of precision and accuracy they foster, meanwhile more businesses tank, more livelihoods are lost, and more power accrues to an objectionable species of apparatchiks and busybodies. Is it your objective to replace the gender studies of the Left with your own equally useless cargo cult of meaningless data manipulation? Did the hierophants of intersectionality draw your ire not because they were wrong but because they… Read more »

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  3g4me
7 months ago

Yeah, I’m disappointed about Steve.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  3g4me
7 months ago

The indefatigable poster known as “Hail” is doing God’s work at iSteve.

I believe the poster known as “Je Suis Omar Mateen” was shut down by the proprietor himself.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
7 months ago

You mean Steve is shutting down dissenters? Why? Was he being rude or just honest?

Member
Reply to  3g4me
7 months ago

Sailer was the biggest surprise to me. The only thing I can think of is that:

1.HBD is getting old hat and he is looking for a new focus that will get him back into the mainstream or

2. The invisible enemy has punched an emotional button and is providing us with more evidence that, in spite of all the fancy analytics, smart people, like everyone else, are primarily driven by emotion.

Bacchus
Bacchus
Reply to  3g4me
7 months ago

Damn it, and I just bought this oxi-meter iSteve recommended.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/buy-a-pulse-oximeter/
It’s really cool. If you have the Corona virus and you feel like shit, look at the oximeter. It will confirm that feeling and before they can stick you on a ventilator, which will kill you, you rush to the hospital and show them your oxi-meter results and they’ll treat you with meds instead. And you’ll live bro!

Shrugger
Shrugger
7 months ago

Imagine what is going to happen when 25+% of mortgages go unpaid….

Member
Reply to  Shrugger
7 months ago

No need to fear. To quote one of our posters, “don’t worry, AOC has a degree in economics.”

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  thezman
7 months ago

Neiman-Marcus is the canary in the coal mine.

tristan
tristan
Reply to  Epaminondas
7 months ago

The canary died a while ago they are now just gassing the miners wholesale.

nailheadtom
Reply to  thezman
7 months ago

That’s why apartments and public storage facilities were popping up like mushrooms. If you’re a real estate developer, you have to develop real estate or maybe become a Walmart greeter. After the 2008 debacle the financial guys became unwilling to sort through a bunch of mysterious mortgage failures to straighten things out. They realized that loaning money for apartment complexes was less risky because when the rent doesn’t get paid the tenant moves out and is replaced. The owner that’s paying the mortgage remains the same. So there are new, fancy apartments all over the place. Even before this February… Read more »

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  nailheadtom
7 months ago

1M+ “legal” foreigners / year. There are complexes outside of DC (and most major cities, tbh) that are full of Indians. Add in all the illegal Mexicans going to the older complexes.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  BadThinker
7 months ago

Thus, can we all agree that Trump’s executive order prohibiting ALL immigration for the time being is a good idea?

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Jim Smith
7 months ago

“for the time being”?

It’s a great idea all the time, unless white Europeans want to move here.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
7 months ago

Not to worry. “Asylum” seekers will (likely) still be allowed. Illegal crossings will remain unaffected. White Europeans? ha ha ha! That hasn’t happened since 1965, hardly.

I haven’t heard this discussed yet, but topic: If we do enter a depression, will millions of “born-here” Americans suddenly out of work take a dimmer view of the millions of illegals here? Impacts on politics?”

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
7 months ago

Ben asked what millions of Americans unemployed will do with respect to immigration, both legal and illegal: “Impacts on politics?” he asks. I reply: “Beneficial. GREATLY beneficial. REALLY greatly beneficial.” Just watch.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
7 months ago

You get what you can get, Citizen. The Left always says “We demand all power,” and then takes what they can get. That always becomes permanent, and they use it as a platform from which to make further demands. Works great. Is there some reason we shouldn’t be doing the same to advance our values?

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
7 months ago

We don’t want white western Europeans. Look what they’ve allowed to happen to their countries.

Chaz Chazstein
Chaz Chazstein
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
7 months ago

We’ve been trying as a family of four now for 2 years. The kids and I all have ‘merican passports but the wife is a Dutch heathen, we have to continuously jump hoops.

Just submitted our final paperwork mid March only to see today immigration stopping. All we wanted to be was good little American tax payers.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
7 months ago

Why would they? For nearly all of them, life is far safer, more stable and better at home.

Even if White fertility stabilizes, there is zero reason for most anyone to come to the US unless you are a grifter or carpetbagger

South Africa might be the exception but they are heading to Oz or Russia

Toasty
Toasty
Reply to  Jim Smith
7 months ago

It’s three years too late. People telling me I should praise him at this point is like an employee who comes to work late every day and then expects to be praised the one day he finally comes in on time.

Member
Reply to  Toasty
7 months ago

As Vince Lombardi said, “you don’t do the right things every once in a while.”

Gravity Denier
Gravity Denier
Reply to  Jim Smith
7 months ago

All of me agrees!

Gravity Denier
Gravity Denier
Reply to  BadThinker
7 months ago

(This is a reply to Nailheadtom above; don’t know how it wound up down here.) That’s dead right. I live in an “upscale” apartment complex in northern Virginia. Tenants here are (based on a visual and auditory estimate) 30 to 40 percent Indian and Paki, 40 percent Hispanic, 15 percent white, the rest black and go-figure-it. They are well behaved. I don’t want to think about what life is like in some of the apartment developments for the economic and social washouts. My wife and I want to move away from the D.C. area but of course we’re stuck here… Read more »

UFO
UFO
Reply to  Gravity Denier
7 months ago

Honest question: how does it work socially there? Do you talk to your neighbors? Do you have friends in the neighborhood?

My experience in a diverse neighborhood is that people just talk to their own ethnic group, while whitey tries to be friends with everyone. But in reality whitey just doesn’t fit in and doesn’t really make friends with the other whites.

Just wondering what it’s like for you.

Gravity Denier
Gravity Denier
Reply to  UFO
7 months ago

UFO, your experience is what it’s like here. The best I can say — and it’s no small thing — is that everybody seems to get along. I am unaware of any hostile acts or words among members of different ethnic species. Aside from standard pleasantries when residents are required by circumstance to be in others’ company, there seems to be zero social interaction except with members of the same race or background. That’s not entirely because of diversity; a lot is down to the alienation you find in urban areas. The neighborhood around the apartment complex includes quite a… Read more »

UFO
UFO
Reply to  BadThinker
7 months ago

Check out the GTA (Greater Toronto Area) for a taste of your future.

Brampton, Ontario, known as “Browntown” or “Bramptadesh” is 44% “South Asian”, 13% black, demographically. It’s really 90% Indian outside of a few older subdivisions with whites and ghetto apartment buildings of blacks. Population is 600,000 and only 26% are white.

Markham Ontario, is 45% Chinese, and only 22% white. Population 330,000.

After a while they stop pretending to care about their host country and it just becomes India or China in Canada. It’s very sad and I hope that Trump actually bans immigration.

Durendal
Durendal
Reply to  thezman
7 months ago

If you were to speculate Z what do you think happens?

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  thezman
7 months ago

But we kind of did. Not to the extent of negative prices, but they had fallen a lot more than they have today. In the summer of 2008 oil was $150 a barrel and it fell to like $30. The world was so out of storage that they were using oil tankers for storage and they were running out of them as well.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
7 months ago

“What happens when all of these bankrupt retailers stop paying rents?” Bailout The lesson from ’08-09 – at least to the Fed and Congress – is you can print and borrow all you want to save the system. The Fed just figures that money is credit so if credit (mortgages, bonds, etc.) is falling by around the same amount as you inject money into the system, everything remains in balance. (Also, the velocity of money is crazy low so money isn’t going anywhere anyway.) For Congress, borrowing doesn’t change the amount of money in the system; it just moves it… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  thezman
7 months ago

I’m not sanguine about an economic recovery of any kind for a generation or two myself. The usual solutions by the people at the top, money printing and war won’t work Money printing won’t help largely because none of the money drives demand enough to grow the economy and frankly new suckers err children aren’t being born at any rate Any war would result in far too many loses. The damage caused by Kung Flu was probably accidental. I can’t imagine what an actual intentional Captain Trips would do and even assuming our decaying nuclear arsenal works, everyone else has… Read more »

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  Shrugger
7 months ago

“Imagine what is going to happen when 25+% of mortgages go unpaid….” The old solution to keep the mortgage market going was for the banks and their elite overlords to support increased immigration, hoping for a combination of factors: (1) sheer numbers, legal and illegal, out of which some, accustomed to working hard and not blowing their money on material things, would come up with down payments, maybe in conjunction with other legal or illegal family members, and (2) Chinese immigration and the Chinese investment in real estate that would bring, more than likely Chinese government money financing a big… Read more »

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
7 months ago

I am looking for a nice, fat default by all student loan debtors. These kids, buried in debt by the same society that drains much of the earnings of an entire life during “end of life care” … made it so perpetual renters = Millenials. And speaking of draining all the wealth while keeping dementia patients alive long enough to make sure their reverse mortgages preclude homes being passed down to the next generation, conveniently creating new mortgage holders to buy, or renters forever … all this ‘clap for an hour’ bullshit is not for me. I know, everyone is… Read more »

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Reply to  HomerB
7 months ago

Not only should the student-borrowers go belly up, but schools like Harvard, with its $40billion endowment, should have that money clawed back by the government entities that “guaranteed” those student loans. Selling a defective product indeed.

re: “$400 ear wax clearing.”
I was recently billed $950 for a tetanus shot.

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
7 months ago

“but schools like Harvard, with its $40billion endowment, should have that money clawed back” This × 1,000. I hear this, often, from people I know. “I was recently billed $950 for a tetanus shot.” For me an my house, I have instituted a NO MEDICAL CARE (unless emergency, and then within reason) without knowing EXACTLY how much it costs. How much it would be billed for non covered people. Medical providers hate-hate-hate having to answer these questions but will when you make them. Also, do not pay these Surprise Medical Bills. Serve formal dispute letters via Certified Mail, Return Receipt… Read more »

bilejones
Member
Reply to  HomerB
7 months ago

Harvard just put its hand out out for a $9 million handout.

$9 million pays the salary of the manager of its $40 billion endowment fund for 4 months.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Reply to  bilejones
7 months ago

Good news…
re: Harvard just put its hand out out for a $9 million handout.

According to Mnuchin, Harvard has just said it will be returning that $9million bailout.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  HomerB
7 months ago

Regarding the provision of primary family medical care, there’s a revolution brewing. You can read about it at https://blog.hint.com/understanding-direct-care.

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  HomerB
7 months ago

Homer; I’d venture that the reason medical providers “hate hate hate” telling you what something ‘costs’ is that they have no clear idea themselves. For example, take the ‘simple’ problem of how to assign the cost of an MD degree, say $250k up front, to patient visits. It is clearly a critical asset, and it’s too big to just ignore. Common economics dictates that its cost must be recovered (else who’d go into medicine). Yet, if you say to amortize it pro rata, you must guesstimate how many patients you’d see in a lifetime. Who can do that_? I don’t… Read more »

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  Al from da Nort
7 months ago

Big Al, I don’t disagree with you. I also just assume it is human nature to resent doing work that you are not getting paid for, or in a more bureaucratic world, ‘not my yob man.’ I have a GP that has been with me for some 30+ years. Great guy, swears like a pirate, really looks out for me and my family. He has told me that some procedures cost less than my co pay if billed as a non insured. The guy does his best to skirt the system, pro patient. So when Obamacare risked me and my… Read more »

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  Shrugger
7 months ago

I am already thinking about that $10,000 beach house I always wanted but could not justify at $350,000.

Or that $2,000 sports car I could not justify when it was $32,000.

Of course, it’s gonna hurt when that loaf of bread is $159.95.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  HomerB
7 months ago

Of course, it’s gonna hurt when that loaf of bread is $159.95.
Not if you grow your own😉

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  Lineman
7 months ago

Bread doesn’t grow on trees. It comes from the supermarket.

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  Lineman
7 months ago

Right now the missus bakes her own for pennies a loaf. And she makes a damn fine loaf, sourdough, italian … keeps and feeds starter.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  HomerB
7 months ago

I tried to create some starter sourdough last year and it was a total failure.
I bake a lot of bread, but I cannot get costs that low. Even the store brand flour is like $5 for 10 pounds. For convenience I bake it in a small toaster over that is pretty efficient and it’s still like 15c in electricity cost (about a kwh) The store brand bread is .99 loaf. It only lasts 2 days. I wish I knew what to add to it to make it last a week.

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  tarstarkas
7 months ago

I can’t speak on your personal experience. I can say that my missus puts a lot of work into starting and maintaining starters. I see her daily feeding of water, flour. She bakes bread in a full sized oven and buys supplies in bulk since she is practically proofing or baking every day. It really is amazing the amount one person can produce, to the point that store bought sweets and bread are not needed. Plus home baked is so much better, not to mention the fun of having it happen in the house, the upbeat scents and outcomes. Not… Read more »

SearsTowerAlways
SearsTowerAlways
Reply to  tarstarkas
7 months ago

Buy a bread box and store your loaves there. Your bread will last a week at room temperature. You can find cheap ones at discount stores but for reference: https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Kitchen-Dining-Bread-Boxes/zgbs/kitchen/13880451 I prepare all my home meals from scratch, including bread. Say what you will. I keep Amish friendship bread starter in my fridge but not sourdough. My customary bread-making technique involves baking yeast dough in an 8-quart enamel-coated dutch oven situated inside my standard kitchen oven and wrapped with baking parchment. I coat the parchment with cornmeal and flour, then unceremoniously dump the dough ball out, twist the parchment and… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  tarstarkas
7 months ago

I second SearsTower. Sourdough shouldn’t be hard. 1. You don’t have to feed the starter every day. You can keep the starter in the fridge for weeks without feeding and then fire it back up over a day or two to get it back to full health. 2. Get a bread box. Sourdough naturally stays fresh for around a week. 3. Use the no-knead method for making the dough. Breadtopia has good video showing how. Just Google “no-knead breadtopia”. Doesn’t take hardly any time. 4. Cook the bread in either a dutch oven or, much easier, a Lodge combo cooker.… Read more »

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
7 months ago

Looky what we have going! Ok, caveat is that I am the bread EATER and breadmaker observation post. I see that starting a starter means daily feeding for a week or two, but since I am the beneficiary of marrying well, that is based on my observations. I am no bread maker.

However, I have observed the Dutch Oven in action. The brand Bob’s Red Mill. Our oven has a proofing setting.

This is more fun than absorbing fear porn!

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  HomerB
7 months ago

HomerB,

The Lodge combo cooker is much easier to use than the Dutch oven. Put the dough on parchment paper first. Score it. Then put it on pan part of the combo cooker and finally place the pot part on top.

No more trying to drop the dough into the dutch oven like some WWII bombardier. Also, remember, use the no knead method. Simple and easy.

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
7 months ago

A new loaf was born today, to be part of tonight’s dinner. I am going to copy this breadmaking feedback to share. Decades of successful marriage is partly due to not being overbearing on my part about her things and I trust she does not make too many “suggestions” when I am laying under her car fixing it.

That said, some valuable points here, the parchment paper info piques my interest. Again noting that I am not the breadmaker. I can do lots of things, but respect this craft from just watching and enjoying the results.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
7 months ago

I used a name brand “organic” wheat bread flour for the sourdough starter. Everything was going well until about a week in. I’m going to try it again. I generally use regular flour for my regular loaves. Does the bread flour work better? I have one of those wooden bread boxes with the rolling lid. It’s one of these: https://www.amazon.com/Cookbook-People-Original-Rolltop-Storage/dp/B016N233JS/ The best thing I’ve found for improving the bread is proofing the dough in the oven with a pot of boiling water. You get a much lighter loaf and much better rising. I’ve never made the no-knead dutch oven bread,… Read more »

urbando
urbando
Reply to  tarstarkas
7 months ago

I have a Dutch oven and have tried the no-knead recipe (from youtube vids) several times. My loaf is always still doughy in the middle. Perhaps my oven (gas) just doesn’t come up to temp. I don’t have an oven thermometer so don’t know for certain.

I avoid buying breads and baked goods as I generally try and reduce carbs in the ol’ diet, but it would be good to get the bread-baking skills down to a predictable quality outcome like some of you appear to have done.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  tarstarkas
7 months ago

My local Aldi AP flour $1.29 for a 5 lb bag.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  bilejones
7 months ago

I just picked up a 10 pound bag on sale for like $4 at Shoprite, which is where I shop. It’s a big chain. Funny, but there is another big chain here called Acme.

SearsTowerAlways
SearsTowerAlways
Reply to  tarstarkas
7 months ago

Acme is a fine company, just be sure to review the fine print before you buy, consider: comment image

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  tarstarkas
7 months ago

My girlfriend is obsessed with the Acme monopoly sweepstakes.

“Babe, we just won a free 6-pack of petroleum jelly sticks!”

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  tarstarkas
7 months ago

Freeze it. Bread thaws fast and doesn’t get soggy. Buy pre sliced or slice before you freeze. You can pry it apart pretty easily.

I’ll throw extra hamburger buns from memorial day in the chest freezer and use them the next year sometimes. You have to watch for frost during long storage though.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  HomerB
7 months ago

I dropped about $150 yesterday and all I bought was paper products, beverages, some produce. No meat. Only a few cans (of olives, on sale). Prices are about double what they were, particularly compared to what I used to pay (on sale/with coupon). But none of that counts as inflation.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Shrugger
7 months ago

The Fed will step in and buy the mortgages, probably leveraging money from the Treasury, and/or Congress will start a program to pay those mortgage payments.

Defaulting mortgages (due to renters not paying) destroys asset prices, i.e. deflation. Powell lies awake at night in fear of deflation. They will do whatever they can to prevent it, but it’s a battle. There’s too much debt relative to income. The Fed and Congress are trying to counter the lower income via money printing and borrowing. That works until it doesn’t.

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
7 months ago

I agree. But look at the big success these masters of the universe have had with oil. They may be in over their heads.

As one of those weird savers, I am exposed in the event of a significant currency devaluation. And I am not naive enough to think it could happen. My plan is to live as if 75% of the value of my cash holdings are gone already and equities are worth zero.

Protect my home, a place where we can pack the entire family if need be. Expect the worst, hope for something not the worst.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  HomerB
7 months ago

The dirty secret is that the Fed and Congress can only try to push the head of the beast. If that animal wants to go left, it will go left no matter what the Fed or Congress do. They can plug holes and push at the margin, but they can’t “be” the market. Btw, you’ll probably see deflation before you see inflation. Plan for both. Cash and bonds are great for deflation, terrible for inflation. Stocks definitely don’t like deflation and aren’t too keen on inflation, but they’re still good to have around long-term. Nothing wrong with keeping 5% to… Read more »

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  HomerB
7 months ago

Yeah, we’ve got a place to go, too. Infinite water supply (practically.) However, we’ll probably only have two or three guns to defend ourselves, with about 7 or 8 men of fighting age. I fear roving packs of vibrants.

But I still doubt it’ll get that bad.

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  Lawdog
7 months ago

Best to be ready. I can reach a loaded weapon while in bed. Plus I like looking at a nice firearm for a lot of reasons.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Lawdog
7 months ago

Lawdog, Experience has shown me the “roving packs of vibrants” don’t really much do the rural thing. As a matter of fact, they are as uncomfortable as a hoo-arh in church. I’ve had some humorous encounters. It’s the land of crazy-ass white men and all the animals are scary, in their eyes. Hispanic compasinos (rural or farm-area originating Mexicans) are the exception. They are about as “redneck” as our rednecks and probably have more in common with you than some big city Anglo barista does. On the practical note of too many hands and not enough boomsticks I suggest looking… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
7 months ago

The reason we have so much debt and subsequent deflation is of course wage arbitrage . This combines with low fertility to basically create a zero sum market and ends up with a few people owning too much stuff to actually have an economy . Unless wages go up, keeping asset prices from free fall is difficult, in times of a general depression like we are going to enter is like pushing on a string. The smart thing to do is a general default and jubilee but that won’t happen unless there is a total collapse or its goes big… Read more »

Andrew
Andrew
7 months ago

This whole mess has shown how many are unable to think things through. They are struggling now, just wait to see what happens when things turn ugly.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Andrew
7 months ago

Z has commented on this, but the widespread, facile acceptance of the official models and total refusal to understand that the authorities are completely juicing the death counts shows that 90+% of the global population is horrifically innumerate.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
7 months ago

As demonstrated by the assumption that when the ‘authorities’ lift the ban, suddenly all economic activity will resume. Without jobs and income there is no demand (although I still saw plenty of empty shelves at the store yesterday – and one even had arrows indicating I had to go up one aisle and down the other, rather than wandering as I wished). My younger son was just furloughed last Sat. Interesting times ahead.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  3g4me
7 months ago

It has been shocking to me how the Branch Covidians honestly believe the $22T US economy can be flipped on and off like a light switch.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
7 months ago

Karen’s feelings don’t care about your facts

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

Normies are retards and Karen gets all hot when she can beat you with her hairbrush.

ConservativeFred
ConservativeFred
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

Is there a bumper sticker with this statement, because I would purchase one.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

Ace had a blurb over at his site… called this event the “Karennacht.” Lol.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
7 months ago

“Like a light switch.” Well, it’s never been tried before. Not with a modern economy. Maybe they can. We’ll find out in a few weeks.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  3g4me
7 months ago

Grocery store shopping is metaphor for America and its subjects. The shepherds order shoppers to stay “two carts apart” from one another and herd them down one aisle and up the next. The shoppers, in ovine fashion, obey, all while wearing their silly masks. Shopping has become an exercise in human beings turning into sheep.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
7 months ago

Yes, and it seems like it’s getting worse—even without new mandates. Last trip was enough for me. Too depressing. How did we come to this point that my grocery store has had to hire private security guards to man the doors and “mad dog” the customers coming in?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Compsci
7 months ago

Ironically, the more incontrovertibly the facts show that Coronageddon is actually a nothingburger, the more draconian the measures against it become. There is madness here. There is a wallowing in authoritarianism. And there is a mule-headed refusal by the pissant tyrants to admit they were wrong.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
7 months ago

Doubling down on their beliefs is exactly what cults do when their prophecies fail.

Hence, Branch Covidians is a wholly accurate label.

T. Morris
T. Morris
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
7 months ago
The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  T. Morris
7 months ago

“Longitude” was a great book AND docudrama on A&E. Michael Gambon and Jeremy Irons were both perfect in their roles.

Highly recommended reading and viewing!

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Compsci
7 months ago

This is going to make people want to shop a lot less unless they stop all this nonsense in its tracks. Otherwise people who have just spent ,months doing with less with keep doing with less. This means no recovery at any point. That said there are protests all over the place. Media ignores them, Facebook tries to stop them . Problem is the system will not yield and the results of enough to push back to force them to yield would be worse than the current problem. Right now the options are endure and hope it goes back to… Read more »

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  abprosper
7 months ago

That’s been my refrain. If death projections keep getting walked back, why aren’t restrictions being gradually relaxed? Actually, they’re getting worse!
I’m starting to think that they’ll string this along interminably, and that I’m going to have to just go and protest. Never thought I would.

I think it’s going to get bad.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Lawdog
7 months ago

There is a pushback movement going on but its being fought online with leaks since the media is avoiding covering anything that could possibly help President Trump. For example the Timcast has a lot of stores today about media saying “we don’t need masks” and about a viral picture that Buzzfeed (yes them) of Nurses blocking anti lockdown protestors very probably being fake and other older ones. There are lots of other stories out there as well on YouTube and elsewhere. The thing to remember is the Democrats and to a lesser degree Never Trumper allies don’t care very much… Read more »

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Compsci
7 months ago

Compsci, It’s been a long time coming. We’ve been luxuriating in the surplus from past harvests and are now into the beginning of the seed corn. Like Z says, lurching from crisis to crisis with a system that is no longer able to handle anything with resiliency sans overreaction or blatant incompetency. Interesting times we shall bear as required, God willing. If we can’t avoid it, relish the fact you shall be tested and be tough and flexible. As the old infantry joke goes when you hear incoming artillery, “For that which we are about to receive, let us be… Read more »

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
7 months ago

Most ‘smart’ people I’ve worked with in the *data* field are shockingly innumerate, as well as being unable to understand complex information relationships (especially in regard to uncertainty and time-orientation). The ‘system’ becomes the truth. Big Tech’s ‘big data predictions’ about who you are or what you do sometimes are shockingly accurate, but just as often insanely inaccurate (but we tend only to hear about the accurate predictions). “The Map is Not the Territory” is pretty much an unknown aphorism these days. I go back to John Gall’s Systemantics all the time. Though this specific aphorism comes from Alfred Korzybski,… Read more »

The Right Doctor
The Right Doctor
Reply to  BadThinker
7 months ago

Systematics, which I devoured forty years ago, informs a fair amount of our kind of thinking whether we know it or not. And it is deadly serious no matter how much it will make you laugh.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
7 months ago

90% of them have an IQ 100 or less. They can’t be expected to understand complex ideas especially when the experts do not have a clue either.

I’m not defending the stupid but it is a novel virus and our experts aren’t all that smart, They go by models and rote and rarely think.

Worse very few of them have any understanding of other disciplines or exposure to other experts and complexity requires an interdisciplinary approach to be successful.

Judge Smails
Judge Smails
Reply to  Andrew
7 months ago

The Left’s cancel culture will not work very well on people that have nothing left to lose.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
7 months ago

What happens to law enforcement in poorly-run municipalities when the tax revenue that pays for them collapses?

nailheadtom
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

Many of them will continue to do it without pay because they can extort more from the public and business than they can make holding a hand-lettered sign at a freeway exit.

Bill_Mullins
Member
Reply to  nailheadtom
7 months ago

Ya know? I don’t see NEARLY as many folks “holding a hand-lettered sign at a freeway exit” as I used to. Course there’re a WHOLE LOT fewer cars on the streets, too. Getting so a grifter can’t make a dishonest buck any more. 😉

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  nailheadtom
7 months ago

Or they can revert to the tried and true method of surcharging fines and then writing tickets out to everyone on everything. Things were so bad in NYC once that police were writing tickets for sitting outside of bodegas on milk crates. Not sure if it was a loitering ordinance or improper use of a milk crate.

Member
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

With law enforcement and all other local functions, what happens is centralization of power. The one thing local and state governments can’t do is print their own money. The tempatation of fresh fiat dollars will cause them to willingly hand over what independence they have left.

Sure, we’ll fund your police force, but you have to prove to us you are aggressively policing White Supremacist Terrorism, by which we mean “badwhites who don’t want to go along with the program.”

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
7 months ago

Our small police force out here in the province is made up of people from all over the country. Most of them don’t know us local folks. Half of them are assholes.

Bill_Mullins
Member
Reply to  Epaminondas
7 months ago

Half of them are assholes.

So few?

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Bill_Mullins
7 months ago

Andrew Anglin calls Cops “BadgeNig**ers” for a reason

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  Epaminondas
7 months ago

Same here. The small local force brought in all these fat, over the hill ex cops from all over. I chatted one up parked at the end of my road napping, when he was new. There is one obligatory butch female one too.

Our local “police” actually do NOTHING except serve as a financial unit, speed trap. These “heroes” allow the Staties and Country cops to do everything else.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Vizzini
7 months ago

The local officials here are in the DFW area people’s republic are the boot heel on everything – even though wheelchair gov’ has not banned everything the local goodWhites (and all their IKAGOs – both elected and appointed) just luv them some authoritarianism.

nailheadtom
Reply to  3g4me
7 months ago

When the mythical “autonomous cars” hit the road these things will happen: https://nailheadtom.blogspot.com/2018/04/autonomous-autos-and-future.html

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Vizzini
7 months ago

Where I live it is patrolled by rural Sheriff’s Deputies. I guess because they live here and oftentimes don’t have backup they are pretty judicious on enforcement and quite friendly. Most of their time is spent dealing with local meth addicts, 51-50s and gangbanger types that hover around the casinos.
I’ve never actually seen them ticket the locals, and we have some dizzy locals here.

Sorry y’all have crappier cops working your areas.

Pillow Fort Commander
Member
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

The local police where I live no longer pull over anyone except for drivers creating “hazardous” conditions, but that won’t last. Whenever the full economic impact to local governments is understood I highly suggest not going 1mph over the speed limit, and heaven help you if you have a broken taillight.

Member
Reply to  Pillow Fort Commander
7 months ago

If your car has cruise control, learn how to use it. Before this madness started I barely touched mine. Now it’s on almost all the time.

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  pozymandias
7 months ago

Not good for most of the speed traps here as they are set up to nail people in the 30 mph zones, local driving. What DOES work for over the road travel are cheap radar detectors. Years ago there was an ‘arms race’ between John Law and detector manufacturers. X Band was replaced by K Band. Replaced by Ka, instant on, then finally laser. The issue with laser is it is a line of sight tool, so the cops actually have to do some work. I have spoken to a couple of them and asked why they use radar when… Read more »

Member
Reply to  HomerB
7 months ago

Well, really there needs to be an integrated speed control system that automatically sets your speed for whatever the local limit is using Google map data and takes data from multiple radar and laser sensors in the car. They probably already offer this in luxury models but I drive a cheap car so I need to actually look at the road signs.

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  pozymandias
7 months ago

You’re kidding, right?

Dave
Dave
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
7 months ago

Let’s hope he is.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
7 months ago

I think I’ve already mentioned my latest Toyota automatically films the speed limit signs and posts it on the dashboard. Very minor step from there to limit acceleration to match the posted signage. Big bro is always watching.

Member
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
7 months ago

I was thinking of this as way of protecting yourself from the cops, not something mandatory. If it exists, I’m sure the schoolmarms will want it to be mandatory and controlled by the government but that doesn’t mean we need to listen to them.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  HomerB
7 months ago

Seconding this recommendation. My co-pilot is a Beltronics GT-360, which is a rebadged Escort model. It picks up stationary traps and rolling patrols plenty far off. It also provides GPS-based speed readouts and uses GPS to build its own internal database of stationary X-band door alarms and K-band radar signs/photo cameras. Most police are just out there blasting Ka-band radar all over. My unit picks up the leakage from the back of their radar guns long before I ever see the speed trap. I also agree with the comment about laser (lidar) being too much work for the average cop,… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Pillow Fort Commander
7 months ago

My local city (county seat) did away with its police force last year! Not sure why, I’d guess to save money. The same city, actually County Breeding Colony Authority, has had one of its managed ghettos (Motel-style section 8 homes) unoccupied for years because they can’t find a [nonprofit?] buyer.

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

The Law of the Jungle. It’s coming.

tristan
tristan
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

If you read the accounts of the Yugoslavia conflict, they point out the Police mostly vanished and lots rapidly became a large and very armed gang that everyone had to avoid.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
7 months ago

You’ve correctly noticed that Red-Team and Blue-Team are not [two sides of the same coin] but actually the same side of the same coin. As far as them going against what the voters voted for, one only need look at the votes against legalizing [gay] sodomized marriage, which were quickly overruled by courts. Other examples of Federal and local governments going against the will of the [people] subjects are rife. Oil futures were traded at historic lows, which is just the way futures trade — they beome worthless the moment they expire — but the more important data point is… Read more »

Bill_Mullins
Member
Reply to  Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
7 months ago

I read somewhere that goatse is dead. Apparently he attempted anal intercourse with a horse and expired of complications resulting from a ruptured colon. Seems somebody thrust a bit too forcibly.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
7 months ago

I hit the link and read what those terms referred to and now am a worse person for knowing.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Ris_Eruwaedhiel
7 months ago

I’ve read Ris_ for awhile and he seems like a sensible fellah. I’ll take the pass, thank you.

Mikep
Mikep
Reply to  Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
7 months ago

OK you added the link, now how do I get those images out of my head?

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Mikep
7 months ago

Sorry, what has been seen cannot be unseen. Thanks though for the warning: You enabled me to avoid seeing it.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
7 months ago

You are too “hard on” homosexuals. 🙂 After centuries of being relationships at best hidden, but sometimes punished with prison or worse, finally with the legitimization of gay marriage, at last two fudge packers could be Man and Husband, just as Nature intended, well no, but just as they wanted. Indeed, now blessed with the toleration of society, at least of a Supreme Court majority, the alternate lifestylers can even have their um, union blessed by one of the progressive “Christian” churches. 😀

Not Yet Old Fart
Not Yet Old Fart
7 months ago

The potential collapse of the petrodollar, or movement from the USD as the world reserve are potential big things.
‘History may not repeat, but it rhymes’. So which era are we replaying?

Warn your readers not to google ‘lemon party’.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Reply to  Not Yet Old Fart
7 months ago

Especially warn them not to google goatse

what has been seen cannot be unseen

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Reply to  Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
7 months ago

BTW don’t click this link

https://web.archive.org/web/20010515192014/http://goatse.cx/

So sorry..

Bill_Mullins
Member
Reply to  Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
7 months ago

Disgusting but, meh, his body therefor his choice.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Reply to  thezman
7 months ago

I don’t see the Dollar losing its status as the reserve currency; if anything I see that it is becoming more widely used, in more countries, both by local overseas companies (who issue their corporate debt denominated in dollars rather than the local currency) and individuals who realize that in spite of constant devaluation of the dollar, it’s still less than the extreme devaluation of their local currency (e.g. Zimbabwe Dollars). The Federal Reserve could spend the next hundred years issuing tens of trillions of dollars, distributing them worldwide, and still not destroy its cachet or [too much] of its… Read more »

Trojan House
Trojan House
Reply to  thezman
7 months ago

China and the yuan.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Reply to  Trojan House
7 months ago

Knowing that they manipulate their currency more severely than we do ours, would you invest in them?
At least The Fed is somewhat restrained in their gyrations.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Trojan House
7 months ago

Highly unlikely. Nobody really wants the Chinese in charge. I doubt the Chinese want this either, at least for now.
I’ve heard rumblings of the SDR, but it’s hard to imagine people wanting to use a global currency not based in any country especially if they could just use either Euros or Dollars.

Sandmich
Sandmich
Reply to  Trojan House
7 months ago

There are a lot of flaws in that theory, but probably the biggest is that even Chinese people don’t want to hold yuan.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Trojan House
7 months ago

Goldman Sachs (et al) is still required to pay its taxes in US dollars, or their owners go to US prisons. Therefore, the US dollar will remain the world currency of choice.

Mikep
Mikep
Reply to  thezman
7 months ago

What replaces it? Well, not the Euro, or the Ruble, as for the Pound, don’t make me laugh! According to Dominic Frisby the Chinese have been buying up gold in massive amounts for the last 20 years https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70MhywXK2pg&t=858s Somehow I can’t see the world going along with that. Maybe what replaces the dollar as world reserve currency is a world with no reserve currency.

Sandmich
Sandmich
Reply to  Mikep
7 months ago

Some international form of barter. This will really gum up world trade, but it’s probably baked into the cake anyway since everyone wants to sell and no one wants to buy.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Sandmich
7 months ago

Hmmm. How about barter mediated by some form of electronic record-keeping medium? Maybe something blockchain based, some form of cryptocurrency designed specifically for international barter and agreed upon among nations?

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  Sandmich
7 months ago

Mitch;
There hasn’t been much barter in regular international trade for 3,000 years. Silver by weight was the means of settlement. Mentioned in the Bible.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Sandmich
7 months ago

“Some international form of barter”

Military “aid” credits
Foreign aid
Carbon credits

Seems they are trying, but nothing replaces energy, the petrodollar.

Even SDRs are based on ‘a basket of commodities’- mining and drilling, or the energy to run the machines, in other words.

And, to clarify about the Fed running the world- through cutouts, of course, the Fed doesn’t pay interest TO the US Treasury.
I don’t think the World Bank pays anyone either. I wonder which other BIS banks don’t.
Edit: oops, I see some SDR comments.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Sandmich
7 months ago

Direct barter isn’t that common or likely outside of a new dark age, The many sellers/few buyers you mentioned is the conundrum the economy faces . Growth can only happen with fertility , economic stability and increased wages but the no one is having kids and automation and cheap labor keep wages low. The more urban we get the more its costs to have kids and people will not in a urban environment sacrifice the benefits of that setting to have more kids nor will they have them without a mental guarantee of a couple of decades employment keeping up… Read more »

Alzaebo
Reply to  Mikep
7 months ago

“a world with no reserve currency”

I never realized it before, but that means the Federal Reserve- a private consortium of eight banking families- controls the world.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  thezman
7 months ago

I don’t know what will replace the dollar as the reserve currency but I know a lot of countries and ppl are thinking about how to replace it and it just seems to be a high wire act to count on it not happening. W America’s debts and deficits, it seems the US could implode w all that debt and hence no money to build up new productive industries.

tristan
tristan
Reply to  thezman
7 months ago

The SDR is the global settlement currency no one has really heard of.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/sdr.asp

For countries its already been used for settlement since the 70s and is used quite a bit in international shipping.

Its a small step to perhaps detach from the underlying nation currencies, spin into an electronic currency and base it on some for of energy unit (especially if you can bankrupt oil and ban other fossil fuel) it really can be used to keep a cap o the energy expenditures by dint of the currency itself.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  thezman
7 months ago

That’s what’s going to happen. It was originally proposed by FDRs Treasury Secretary, (((Henry Morgenthau))) in the 1930s. And he was correct in wanting to do that. Of course we weren’t in the strong post war position we were in in 1944 with Bretton Woods. I’m not sure it will be a SDR, but we will return to a pegged position among world currencies, likely with a commodity basket, and yes, that basket will include gold, but it won’t be the majority of it. They may even us the Goldman Sachs commodity index, SPGSCI, and just peg it one day… Read more »

tristan
tristan
Reply to  thezman
7 months ago

Why would you assume it would be deflationary? That assumes a market open behavior of innovation. If you kill off oil and other fossil fuels and nuclear you massively do away wit the easy access and most longer term energy storage. You could then make any system you wanted if you control a centralized energy rationing. Especially if all transport is now based on non-portable energy. It also has the benefit of the money supply control being able to be used to strangle the economic functions by restricting the supply and therefore the energy as a system of interlinked credit… Read more »

Alzaebo
Reply to  tristan
7 months ago

“It would be a perfect lever of technocracy.”

Now you’re scaring me.
Once the elites own everything- the money, the capital, the assets, the bureaucracy- what do they need capitalism for?

If they control the chokepoints of energy, healthcare, and army, then we might as well tatoo our social security numbers on our arms, and start watching Rollerball.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
7 months ago

(ps- thanks for “Triffin’s Paradox”, duckduckgo says I got some more learning to do. Never could wrap my head around forex- another delayed project.)

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  thezman
7 months ago

Z Man; Intriguing idea. A fixed *peg* to BTU is maybe the way to go: A pseudo-gold standard, if you like. IOW, would we really want a consumable to be money_? The theory used to be that ‘money’ was, in itself, necessarily useless. Some pretty weird shyte has been used as money (woodpecker scalps among Pacific NW Native Americans, for example) but even if it wasn’t durable, almost never was it consumable. Money’s role is/was to be medium of exchange and a (relatively) stable storehouse of value. Consumables tend to fluctuate in value depending on supply and demand for them… Read more »

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  thezman
7 months ago

“Something else must replace it.” Okay. Prognostications, Zman? Prognostications, everyone else?

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  thezman
7 months ago

There’s a lot of ruin left in the petrodollar. We’ll see its end later than sooner and I don’t think one universal reserve standard replaces it, be it another nation/bloc’s currency or a basket of commodities, etc… By the time the petrodollar fails, regionalism will be stronger, with non-standardized/universal currencies in “the West” and the BRIC-Silk Road coalition (or whatever it evolves to by then) – and likely some smallish third parties as well.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  thezman
7 months ago

The founding fathers wanted only gold and silver to be used as currency . That won’t happen as there isn’t enough currency to support an economy of modern scale. In the longer term we could end up end up without any reserve currency if global trade stays collapsed and/or the US goes even more haywire no one is going to want dollars. The people in charge are going to back to the cheap labor /not having to pay the real price for a clean environment China and other trade ASAP unless they are forced to do otherwise. Modern CEO’s have… Read more »

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  thezman
7 months ago

Maybe. Maybe what replaces it is a floating mix of local currencies.

Here’s the thing. The petro dollar, dollar as world reserve currency, whatever you want to call it has really only existed since the 80s. In a way, it’s a driver of and function of globalization. If globalization abates, so does the need for a global reserve currency.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Not Yet Old Fart
7 months ago

The consequences of the USD losing reserve currency status will be so horrific and so bad that it is hard to fathom life after reserve currency status. It will affect everyone. It would probably cause something akin to hyperinflation where the dollar loses 90% of its value in a couple of years and a worldwide economic collapse. One assumes they would change all the rules in order to avoid it.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  tarstarkas
7 months ago

Makes me want to move down south, out to the country. I’m done with NJ, as much as I love our peoples’ benighted wit.

onezeno
Reply to  Not Yet Old Fart
7 months ago

> The potential collapse of the petrodollar, or movement from the USD as the world reserve are potential big things.

Are those two different things?

David_Wright
Member
7 months ago

Well we have gotten a good look at what type of citizenry we have and how society will proceed forward with them. Like you said, they are emotional and easily led or controlled.

If we didn’t have elites who weren’t just the same , I could predict how they would use this knowledge. You are right that mostly chaos is the new order and of course all that is left is the memories of a better time and people. Gird yourself everyone.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  David_Wright
7 months ago

If the colonists in the late 18th century were like postmodern Americans, the United States never would have come into existence.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
7 months ago

Would’ve been a bigger Canada, eh? 🙂

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  David_Wright
7 months ago

Yes, there will be chaos, but Zman said, “Trump is…the starting point for a period of chaos, as the world tries to create a new ‘logic of the universe’.” That suggests that some kind of new order is expected to eventually emerge, and while it’s always a good bet that something really bad will result, that’s not an iron law of history. Maybe something good will emerge. Even if we only get rid of universal-franchise democracy (which ensures mob rule), we may be measurably better off.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Jim Smith
7 months ago

Oh, Mr. Smith, I think you’ll get your wish.

Member
7 months ago

What happens in a world suddenly awash in BTU’s? No one knows.

That’s not really true. We’ve experienced periods of cheap abundant energy in the past. — at least, relative to what was available before. In every such instance I know, it has corresponded with a tremendous improvement in human well-being.

The question now is, how will it interact with the shutdown. Hopefully it will have an ameliorating effect.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Vizzini
7 months ago

FWIW, I’ve noticed no appreciable reduction in the price at the pump….

Member
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

I have here. Prices down to $1.38/gallon at some discount pumps. Ramp up some Kroger points with your grocery purchases and you can get gas below $1/gallon.

This has measurable effects. For example, we dispose of a lot of construction waste. At $1.38/gallon, it becomes economically beneficial to drive the truck to the cheaper landfill farther out of the city.

Every mile on the road for truckers is more profitable than it was before.

When the farmers are planting or baling hay this spring, less of their gross is going to pay for fuel for the tractor.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
7 months ago

Transportation will profit greatly. So will utility companies.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Reply to  Epaminondas
7 months ago

But don’t expect the airlines to benefit. The decline in passengers is much greater than the decline in fuel prices.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Epaminondas
7 months ago

Gold miners have a twofer: Highest price for their product for decades. Their biggest expense is energy- perhaps 50%..

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Epaminondas
7 months ago

Problem is there may not be much to transport or as much demand for commercial power. Broke people now more in debt don’t buy much and the economy may have some serious long lasting changes that may not lead to any real recovery. A good example, 24 Hour Fitness went bankrupt today. Its far from certain whether people will even want that kind of product as much when the lock down is lifted . That is a lot of “gone for good” jobs with nothing to replace them and keep in mind, baring import bans of tariff , US companies… Read more »

Member
Reply to  abprosper
7 months ago

I’m hopeful that if Trump is willing to impose animmigration moratorium, he will be willing to impose protective tariffs.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Vizzini
7 months ago

Nice; I’m paying almost double that, and it’s essentially unchanged from February.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

I can empathize. Where I live the average is $2.65 for regular, I hop over the state line and drive ten more minutes there are three gas stations where the price for a gallon of regular is anywhere from $1.83, to $1.91. It’s inexcusable. I get lotto from one of the other stations and I asked the manager of the station why the big disparity compared to next door and was told that the owner of the station will not lower the price. The guy couldn’t say why.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

Are you in one of the People’s Republic states, Meme? If so, our condolences.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  Vizzini
7 months ago

In the $1.81-$2.01 range in eastern Morris and western Essex and Passaic Counties, NJ, but prices vary widely throughout NJ. No doubt there will be an increase in the gas tax.

T. Morris
T. Morris
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

$1.19 here, and steadily decreasing by the week.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

0.87 at the rez near me. Still over $2 on the white man’s land.

Member
Reply to  thezman
7 months ago

How expensive are those big storage tanks to build?

I’ve heard suggestions of filling up the strategic petroleum reserve to previously unhead-of levels. I also heard that Pelosi fought against it. Seems like that’s something Trump could simply do via executive order on grounds of national security.

The Fed is busily buying up bad debt. Buying up good oil seems like a better deal.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
7 months ago

Trump has already been filling the SPR. At these prices, he’ll probably finish the job.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Reply to  Vizzini
7 months ago

The strategic petroleum reserve is mostly held in underground caverns carved out of salt domes… a well is drilled into a dome, and water is pumped in, salt water is pumped out, and the “tank” gets bigger. Relatively quick and cheap to expand existing or new storage tanks.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  thezman
7 months ago

Yep. And you don’t just ‘shut down’ complex machinery like refineries. Once shut down, restarting is expensive and time consuming. Not as much as say, shutting down a Steel Blast Furnace, Fiberglass Furnace, or Nuke Reactor, but it’s not easy, and it’s expensive.

tristan
tristan
Reply to  BadThinker
7 months ago

But I thought there was just a big switch labelled On/Off on every large scale industrial process.

Surely on May 7th (or whatever) the local health supervisor can walk in and on a televised ceremony push the switch to On.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  thezman
7 months ago

Doesn’t oil left in the ground constitute “storage”? Where it’s been “stored” since it was created? The energy industry will have to adjust, sure, but that’s what creative destruction and bankruptcy are for, right?

greyenlightenment
Reply to  Vizzini
7 months ago

It does not mean free energy by any stretch. The actual price paid by consumers and businesses after it is refined, has not fallen that much. Gas is still $1.8/gallon and much more expensive elsewhere in the world.
. Cheaper oil can mean higher profits for refiners , not necessarily lower prices for businesses and consumers.

Member
Reply to  greyenlightenment
7 months ago

Gas is still $1.8/gallon and much more expensive elsewhere in the world.

Read up to some replies to me. Gas prices aren’t holding high everywhere.Street price has fallen drastically in some areas, and that certainly means it has dropped heavily for companies that buy fuel in bulk.

greyenlightenment
Reply to  Vizzini
7 months ago

it says right here. it is called an average because some will be lower https://gasprices.aaa.com/

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  greyenlightenment
7 months ago

I ran the numbers using that link and the cost at the pump where I live has dropped a whopping 12% over the last month

Member
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

12% adds up from a business perspective. Got a lot of investments paying you 12%? Fantastic deal.

A fixed expense that costs you 12% is less is like earning that much more in profit.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

I’m in Cali and most of what we pay is tax and formulation variants. Its still down around 10% or so.

Sandmich
Sandmich
Reply to  Vizzini
7 months ago

Yup. You people who haven’t seen the price move: you’re getting screwed.

Member
Reply to  Vizzini
7 months ago

You’re probably thinking of the early industrial revolution and that was certainly true then. The current energy glut though, is politically manufactured and the same political authoritarianism that created it will suppress the kinds of growth that might make life better. Think of how the Soviet Union had absurd amounts of natural resources available to it and yet remained poor and unproductive.

Member
Reply to  pozymandias
7 months ago

I’m not just thinking of that. I’m thinking of the widespread adoption of coal as an energy source. I ‘m thinking of the steam engine, which while it wasn’t a new energy source, brought portable, consistent power to wherever the user needed — it was the first time portable multi-purpose power wasn’t muscle-powered. Every time man has been able to bring more energy to more people cheaper, it has been a good thing. I agree that there will be forces trying to suppress the growth, but I think that has always been true. The glut may be politically manufactured, but… Read more »

tristan
tristan
Reply to  Vizzini
7 months ago

In the UK they have made it illegal for private homes to burn coal or unseasoned wood on any open fire/burner or to generate electricity.

I am sure its just co-incidental that this occurs now?

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
7 months ago

“Oil markets would no longer be the victim of forces beyond the control of suppliers. Instead, prices would be steady as producers coordinated with world government to temper supply”. A consistent theme of the +/- 150 yrs that oil has been a busines is the wild swings in supply/demand and the price of oil, but the ZMan quote above fairly well describes the last 25 yrs. The most pressing issue now is that there’s no place left to store it. Tankers are floating storage. Cushing, OK about to fill up all the storage tanks. The never before seen sub-zero futures… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Stranger in a strange land
7 months ago

People doing all kinds of crazy stuff! Like buy 300 USO at ~3 (at open) (“Well it is at a one-year low!”) and it loses 1/3 in the day, though it made some of that back. Did I mention that I am fortunate that professionals manage my most of the retirement money and I can’t get my mitts on it 😀

Epaminondas
Member
7 months ago

The Foundation Trilogy by Asimov was one of my favorites in high school. I’m glad Zman referenced it. Replace the Mule with the Hive Mind and you have a good approximation to how chaos is “managed”. Except that we now have a Disrupter-in-Chief. The Hive Mind just stepped on a rake and is reassessing its prospects in the light of this new reality. Good stuff. Strap yourself in.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Epaminondas
7 months ago

I wouldn’t write the Hive Mind off just yet. It is clear they are already busy pushing several different new narrative threads to keep the fear levels up. Those threads include the second wave, reopening too soon, and virus mutation. I’m doing my best to live as normally as possible and avoid any engagement with hysterics. For now, I’ll put on a face-covering if it means I can purchase groceries without being confronted by some hero or some ninny calling the local Gestapo on their smartphone. There is no point in debating the hysterics. They have completely drunk the Flavor-Aid… Read more »

Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
7 months ago

What about confronting, questioning, and ridiculing the hysterics? I find it to be therapeutic.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Libertymike
7 months ago

I don’t see that working because the hysterics vastly outnumber the sane at this point. Be prepared to be mobbed by them online or in meatspace.

The entire Covid-1984 atmosphere proves the hysterics are firmly in control.

Alzaebo
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
7 months ago

Covid-1984!!

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
7 months ago

I think we should push back in whatever way we can. Protests included. The death projections have decreased steadily, but the restrictions are getting more stringent.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
7 months ago

Wasting your time. Emotions rule them. fear has always been the go to for tyrants and manipulators to control people.

Fear is the Mind Killer as the Bene Gesserit say in Dune. This is a truism.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
7 months ago

The problem is if the shut down continues for much longer we will start seeing other sorts of shortages like food. And you really don’t want to see how people react when the shelves stay empty. They will take out their anger on the nearest a**hole Karen and leveler they can find. Empty stomachs don’t fear they just get increasingly murderous. In general it’s a bad idea in a country awash in guns and unemployed people who are already sweating bullets in making their mortgage payments to piss them off even further. The lies don’t fly with them and they… Read more »

Severian
7 months ago

For clues as to how the end of liberal democracy’s going to go, I suggest the work of Bryan Ward-Perkins.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  thezman
7 months ago

Said book have an estimated time of arrival?

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
Reply to  thezman
7 months ago

I look forward to that book!

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  Severian
7 months ago

Bryan Ward-Perkins “The Fall of Rome and the End of Civilization”?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0192807285?tag=duckduckgo-brave-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

TomA
TomA
7 months ago

Our society and culture is like a forest managed by the government instead of nature (hello US Forest Service). Every little lightning fire is brutally and immediately suppressed thereby enabling deadfall to accumulate year after year. Then one day, a careless camper triggers a minor brush fire than sweeps outward at lightspeed and in no time becomes a raging uncontrolled inferno. That is the coming chaos. And when the smoke clears. the tallest and strongest trees will remain (scarred but straight) and the decaying deadfall turned into ash.

T. Morris
T. Morris
Reply to  TomA
7 months ago

And the careless camper goes to prison for twenty years for his carelessness, allowing an ember aloft in such a mismanaged tenderbox. But I guess we all gotta make sacrifices.

Bill_Mullins
Member
Reply to  TomA
7 months ago

That is one DAMNED scary you paint. Not the aftermath but forest fire itself. Like Scott Glenn’s character , Emmett, said in 1985’s epic Western “Silverado”, “It’s gonna get mean.”

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Bill_Mullins
7 months ago

Well, that’s what “period of chaos” means too, Bill. (By the way…teach us how to do boldface and italics in our comments?)

Bill_Mullins
Member
Reply to  Jim Smith
7 months ago

Jim, it’s all in the use of html tags. Google the proper syntax for html tags. The ones which I know work here are: bold strike italic and

quoted text

I cannot actually show you the general form because the board won’t let me (or at least I haven’t figured out a usable work-around which would be meaningful. You can find a sort of list here:
https://way2tutorial.com/html/html_basic_tags.php

Raymond R
Member
7 months ago

Great post, Mr. Z. I love the reference to the Foundation. The disruption that Mr. Trump has brought to the system is necessary as a reset.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
7 months ago

It’s happening because it had to happen. No deus ex. Nobody blew off pressure so now it explodes. We’ll get a leftist backlash and all the knee-jerk anticommunists will get their kicks, then the right wing strongman to purge society, then we get to start over. About a decade, give or take, I’ll bet.

DR gets the opportunity it wants. It’ll hurt, but that’s how it goes. Put your thinking caps on!

Willie Horton
Willie Horton
7 months ago

“ In fact, no one knows if they will actually try to do it voluntarily. Local officials have gotten the whiff of authoritarianism in their nostrils and they like it.” This is really scary. Although many of them may not be as naked and outspoken as the dictator of Michigan, there are a LOT of local government officials who have made it clear they’re happy to let their lockdowns drag on forever and don’t care the slightest about the suffering of the people they rule. But they’re oh so concerned about releasing the poor criminals from jail, though! The jail… Read more »

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Willie Horton
7 months ago

Thats one of the crazier things. If this is “just the flu, bro,” are we just going to empty the prisons at the beginning and end of every winter now to coincide with the flu season? Debt jubiliee – to include relief of all convictions? Its gonna make 1991 look like 1951. Unrelated, the price of x855 has doubled and they’re selling out at the doubled price.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Willie Horton
7 months ago

Good point/

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Willie Horton
7 months ago

Just read DiBlassio is shocked, shocked to find recidivism in his recently released prisoners. Captain Renault agreed with his sentiment.

M. B. Lamar
M. B. Lamar
7 months ago

We are just starting to have fun. Power vacuum in North Korea! As I said a time or two, all the 80s kids know this story. It starts with global economic collapse, and ends in global thermonuclear war. Then you open: a highway. Raiders in tribally-festooned rat rods are chasing down our hero… All we missed was it’s China with the nukes instead of the Russkies. CCP, not CCCP. An understandable mistake. Oh, and that it starts with a flu-season-based mother-of-all-PsyOps campaign strategy? Because, it says here, Donald Trump is the President? Like, Trump Tower Donald Trump? Yeah, too crazy… Read more »

M. B. Lamar
M. B. Lamar
Reply to  M. B. Lamar
7 months ago

Never mind about the NK part – it looks increasingly like it is today’s bald-faced lie from the scurrilous MSM.

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
7 months ago

The immigrants, including legal ones, are starting to go home. Let’s encourage them. “America is a hellhole. No work here. Your beloved family will take care of you back home. Remember Mom’s cooking? Send us Instagrams.”

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
7 months ago

Mass media is mass propaganda, financed by corporate ad dollars. I wonder if a giant society like America can exist without some mass media creating an ‘official shared narrative.’ Back in the day, common religion, political beliefs and general culture probably did this but they obviously can’t do the job anymore. Without Hollywood and MSM, would America even be ‘one society’ in ANY meaningful sense. This is not to defend either, I know exactly what they are and they perversely seem to fit a society in deep, deep trouble in their current form. But I also wonder if America even… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
7 months ago

I wonder if a giant society like America can exist without some mass media creating an ‘official shared narrative.’ The US prior to the 1910s indicates the answer is “Yes.” It would just be a giant society that functions mostly through localism, as it should. Of course there were exercises in mass propaganda prior to that such as in the leadup to the civil war, but efforts line that were difficult. You couldn’t make every facet of daily life the object of a propaganda campaign the way you can today. Only Churches had the power to bring their message consistently… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Vizzini
7 months ago

I think there was an official shared narrative back then, a mix of Christianity, very strong commitment to ‘American ideals’, ie strong civ nat, and also 90% were white.

Today none of these could ‘bring the country together’. And accordingly it does seem to be coming apart.

Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
7 months ago

Who, whom.

Who controls the shared narrative and upon whom is it being imposed? That’s the difference.

In the days when religion imposed the shared narrative, it was imposed upon the great as well as the small.

Note: I’m not disagreeing with you.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
7 months ago

Multiculti is what Balkanized America.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
7 months ago

(((Special people))) agitated for multiculti for decades and control it still today. Who, whom, as always.

Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
7 months ago

I’ve been trying to explain The Panic to myself for the last few weeks. It’s easy to just pin it all on the media but the media routinely throws out panic-bait about all sorts of stuff ranging from guns to climate change to “deadbeat dads”. Thankfully most of these campaigns fizzle and normal life goes on. Why did this one take hold so fast and so well? It might simply be that people (particularly women and feminized men) suddenly had a grand collective ritual to participate in and feel like they were part of something. The “general culture” in fact… Read more »

Bill_Mullins
Member
Reply to  pozymandias
7 months ago

This is likely to be a very bad thing and could be the first shot in a sort of modern Cultural Revolution complete with gangs of Red Guard types enforcing the 6 foot rule and beating people who don’t have masks. So THAT’S where the hoodie-clad antifa thugs fit in! Fortunately for us (UNfortunately for them, heh,heh) we’re much better armed than the Chinese peasants were. Wasn’t it Chairman Mao who said something about power flowing from the barrel of a gun? Antifa weenies are more likely to carry an umbrella than a gun. I reckon they’d piss/soil themselves if… Read more »

Official Bologna Tester
Official Bologna Tester
7 months ago

Z Man said: “Through the ballot, the public had injected a foreign body into the political system.”

So your saying the pandemic started in November 2016?

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Official Bologna Tester
7 months ago

Trumpdemic!

It’s the political version of the Mad Cow disease.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
7 months ago

The glut of oil is really a glut of money. I have been reading over at ‘Our Finite World,’ that America’s shale oil production is losing money since 2010 or 2011. The $150 a barrel oil of the summer of 2008 pushed a bunch of money into oil formerly too expensive to produce. But since the world cannot afford $150 a barrel oil, it could not support the new sky-high price. I don’t know how they are able to continue drilling and producing for 10 years losing money, but I got this from several sources, everything from oil blogs to… Read more »

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  tarstarkas
7 months ago

are you funded by the same russian sources as zerohedge? where is russia going to sell its shitty oil now? too bad they don’t have any internal industry that benefits from the cheap oild…

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Karl McHungus
7 months ago

Europe needs Russian oil and gas. Even if all of the oil in the US were financially viable, we really cannot export any of it. No matter what you may be reading in the mainstream press, we are a large net importer of oil. All you have to do is look at the amount of oil we produce per day vs the amount of oil we consume per day. Unless production rises over consumption, we are net importers. We are millions of barrels per day away from that milestone. Also, the spot price of oil doesn’t represent most oil. Most… Read more »

Vegetius
Vegetius
7 months ago

Trump’s spirit animal is a wrecking ball.

He was always a means to an opening, not to an end.

Our guys who misunderstood this in 2016 – and some who didn’t – seem hellbent on botching the even wider opening that 2020 is giving us.

guest
guest
7 months ago

What do we have left once we abandon the lie?
Chaos.
A gaping pit waiting to swallow us all.
Chaos isn’t a pit.
Chaos is a ladder.
Many who try to climb it fail and never get to try again.
The fall breaks them. And some are given a chance to climb, but they refuse. They cling to the realm or the gods or love.
Illusions.
Only the ladder is real.
The climb is all there is.

That’s from either game of thrones or “my struggle”, i forgot which.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
7 months ago

Side note, don’t these masks just freeze your face into scowl? I want to rip this goddamn thing off and smile at a stranger in a store — is that too much to ask? Or does the transmission of human kindness pose a threat to public health? You know what, let’s just blink morse code at each other: it’s safer that way. Isn’t it great to have the government control nearly every aspect of your life? How could you *not* want your grandparents to die alone, or at best, flanked by a maximum of two socially distanced kin in masks?… Read more »

greyenlightenment
Reply to  Lawdog
7 months ago

i dunno why this was downvoted. voted up

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  greyenlightenment
7 months ago

I deleted some of the personal rant parts. I just needed to get stuff off of my chest, because some days, I can’t handle all this bullshit. Today, there was a 400 pound Hispanic woman directing supermarket customers as though she were an aircraft marshaller. She even had two illuminated signaling devices! And I saw her rat someone out to a cop for not SDing, too. I didn’t know whether to attempt to use my entire body to strangle her or to explode into laughter. What a bunch of bullshit clownery. People fighting over a box of cheerios (oh, the… Read more »

Alzaebo
Reply to  Lawdog
7 months ago

“let’s just blink morse code at each other”

I’m getting very creative with my eyebrows.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
7 months ago

I’m gonna shave mine as a form of protest. That way, no one will know what the hell I’m thinking.

Jim Haples
Jim Haples
Reply to  Alzaebo
7 months ago

Uh, you don’t have eyebrows.

Member
Reply to  Lawdog
7 months ago

Yeah, I met that same obese Hispanic woman directing people in the checkout lines at my local supermarket. I think there’s only one of her but she’s able to exist in multiple places at once somehow. Basically what this thing is, ultimately, is an opportunity for all the worst people in our society to get a taste of power. Most of us only deal with DMV mentality once every couple years but now you get to experience it every day, everywhere. Welcome to bio-Leninist America – https://spandrell.com/2017/11/14/biological-leninism/

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  pozymandias
7 months ago

ROFL. Its like the correct proportions of papaya batter and grease endow people with superpowers.

You in NJ by any chance?

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Reply to  Lawdog
7 months ago

Worse, Western Oregon. It’s Jersey without all the sunshine. They don’t let us pump our own gas here either though.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  pozymandias
7 months ago

Former Oregon Resident

Its not a bad restriction subject to the efficiency of the operator as it creates jobs and reduces risks and possibly leakage and similar pollution which is a small amount if little cost per gallon.

To compare (stats from Oregon Business Report)

Oregon 900 and change stations with a shade under 10K jobs as vs just under 1800 stations with 12k employees which is like 60+% more staffing and with close to the same per capita number of stations.

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Reply to  abprosper
7 months ago

And it does cut down on “the Zoolander Effect” a bit – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap0BZKlG5QY

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  Lawdog
7 months ago

Law;
Transparent face shields. You could even eat out if you don’t mind taking your wine through a straw.

Seriously, it’s not wrong to look to ingenuity for answers we don’t have yet but will.

Lawdog
Lawdog
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Reply to  Al from da Nort
7 months ago

Hahaha! Just pour the Merlot down my snorkel tube.

WhereAreTheVikings
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