Cosmopolitan Provincials

In a time of crisis, whether self-inflicted or naturally occurring, you learn a lot about people in how they react to the crisis. They say pressure reveals character, but in the context of something like this pandemic crackdown, pressure reveals your place in relation to the center of cosmopolitan globalism. Not in a physical sense, but in the economic and cultural sense of it. The closer you are to the center, the more enthusiastic you are for the mandatory shuttering of society.

It is one of those things that transcends politics, in that you see people who normally disagree sharing the same side now. The people involved in political media, for example, are all on-board with the crackdown. In fact, they think it should go on forever, as it gives them something to squabble about in a meaningless way. The people in the vast unproductive sector of the economy, like the media and politics, have no stake in the economy, so this is just another thing to fill their time.

In another sense, the cultural sense, this event has revealed the provincialism of the typical city dweller. It is fair to say that if the hot spot for the virus had been Appalachia, it would barely rate a segment on the cable chat shows. Because the center was New York City, the home of the media centers, it is the only thing worth discussing. The most provincial people on earth live in New York City and media people are some of the dumbest, making for the perfect storm.

For example, the people protesting the crackdown are people with a real stake in society, as in a job and bills to pay. They are not motivated by esoteric debates about political philosophy. They don’t have a walk-in closet full of moral signifiers they use to display their membership in narrow identity groups. They just try to live their lives the best they can under the conditions set for them. The conditions are becoming untenable now, so they are making as much noise as they can about it.

The typical cosmopolitan looks at these protests and just assumes the people doing them are ignorant and confused. “Don’t they know how dangerous it is out there?” the cosmopolitans incredulously demand. The fact is, the protesters know exactly how dangerous it is out there – not very dangerous at all – and they are willing to bet on their own judgement about it. The cosmos, on the other hand, know only what is told to them by the mass media. They let the system decide these things for them.

That is one of those things that does not always turn up when times are easy. If you live in or around an urban center, you grow used to being bossed around. You get used to depending on the system. The Manhattan media employee rides subways, walks past cops and relies on a vast system to supply her with food. She thinks she is tech savvy because she has a lot of cool apps on her iPhone. In reality, she is like an oxpecker living on the rhinovirus of the cosmopolitan system.

In contrast, the guy living in a distant suburb or flyover country spends most of his time away from the state. He depends on the supply chain, like everyone else, to put stuff in the stores, but he works in the supply chain. He has some idea how the stuff magically appears on the shelves. He drives his own car to those stores and has to rely on himself to get it repaired when necessary. His days are not filled with self-actualizing, but rather the mundane tasks of living.

Real or imagined, the person living far away from the epicenter of cosmopolitan globalism has a sense of independence. Government is not a visible part of his everyday existence, so he does not instinctively trust it. The boys and girls living outside the economy, whether on a campus, in a government job or in some corner of the vast, unproductive part of the economy, they trust the system completely. They have to, because it provides so much of what makes up their life.

Who is more deluded about reality is debatable. We may get to find out if the crackdown lasts much longer. Parts of the supply chain are breaking. It will not be long before shelves are empty of essentials. The people sure they can make it without government may get to test that theory. On the other hand, the cosmos living in the urban areas will find out if the system that makes their life possible can protect them. Cosmopolitan globalism is about to enter the blast furnace of reality.

This raises a question, of course. The system imagined for us by our ruling elites is highly urbanized and dominated by the government and its agents. Social credit systems may be run by tech companies, but they do so on behalf of the same people who control government. They imagine the future being a cleaner, glass and steel version of Manhattan, where people are like corpuscles in the system. In such a system, does it make sense to maintain the charade of democracy?

The current crisis gives us a hint. The people constantly yapping about “our democracy” were quick to pull the plug on the primaries. If you’re willing to send cops after people walking on the beach, just to make a point about who decides who can go outside, you’re probably going to have no qualms about ending the voting charade. What’s the point of asking the people when you don’t really care what they think? You can be sure that the urban rubes will go along with it.


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Natarnsco
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1 month ago

I think the mundane tasks of living can be quite self-actualizing for someone with any depth of character.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Natarnsco
1 month ago

Been there, done that, it’s overrated. Gutting fish or digging ditches all day is soul-numbing – only urbanites romanticize menial work.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

I know what you mean Felix having started early with manual labor jobs. I think Natarnsco may mean the variety of mundane tasks can be rewarding and clarifying. A day spent weeding the vegetable garden, chopping wood, repairing an item, preparing a meal etc… can be self-actualizimg. My take anyway.

Felix Krull
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Reply to  Penitent Man
1 month ago

Certainly, a day or two, although it’s not for everybody. I love hiking, tenting and cooking on an open fire and so on, but I much prefer reading a book to weeding my garden. Trimming back all the shit that pops out of the ground in astounding profusion, always leaves me angry and hateful of plant life. Going at it with a chainsaw helps a bit, but why can’t the little green fuckers just stay the fuck down where they belong? After I dropped out of high school, I spent two years as a fisherman on the Faroe Islands. The… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Going at it with a chainsaw helps a bit, but why can’t the little green fuckers just stay the fuck down where they belong?

That’s why God made Roundup.

a life of manual labor doesn’t make for interesting conversationalists;

They’re not all like that. The main guy I hire for manual labor on the ranch has had a pretty interesting life, and also loves to talk politics. 🙂

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

That’s why God made Roundup. I have a hedge of poplars that need to be cut down to size each year, lest they take the sun from my lawn. They grow like motherfuckers. The rest of it I just run over with the tractor. My ex father-in-law lived an interesting life, in a sense: he was a seventh son (so he had the king for a godfather) and all his older brothers had died before he was fifty, either at sea, falling off cliffs while gathering eggs or being drunk, or in car accidents. But living in a hamlet all… Read more »

Mikep
Mikep
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

You seem to be confusing God with Monsanto. You need to get that looked at or you’re in for a world of difficulties.

Member
Reply to  Mikep
1 month ago

OK, Francis.

Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

But living in a hamlet all your life doesn’t ennoble your soul Neither does traveling all over the world, or working a desk job. Trust me, I’ve done all of the above. You seem to have some kind of bias against not being well-traveled or exposed to more of the world, but it’s just that, a bias. I’ve known a lot of both types of people and the lives of people who’ve never traveled 20 miles from their hometown are often as rich as those who have traveled to every continent, been brought up to appreciate opera, literature and ballet.… Read more »

Felix Krull
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Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

Neither does traveling all over the world, or working a desk job.

Never said it did, but I reacted to the whiff of rural romanticism in today’s column.

As I also said, living in a city indeed makes for a somewhat supercilious outlook, but all things considered, I’d rather raise my children in a city. There’s a reason young people flee small towns.

Felix Krull
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Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Hm. Seems I meant “superficial” rather than “supercilious”, although both are true.

David_Wright
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Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

If young people flee small towns how do the towns endure. Hollywood likes to portray small town america as either evil or stupid.
You have a peculiar bias.

Felix Krull
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Reply to  David_Wright
1 month ago

If young people flee small towns how do the towns endure

People with kids and old people moving there – or at least, that’s how it works in Denmark.

Mind you, Europeans cities are different from American ones, more livable.

You have a peculiar bias.

Guilty as charged, I suppose. I’m a city boy at heart, but I’ve tried both.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

I hate suburbs and cities though Colorado Springs wasn’t bad back in the day.

I grew up in a 100% White exurb with no roads fit for bicycles and no stores with less than an hour and half walk. The nearest city with 35 miles and small towns 20.

It was far from perfect with the bullies and meh education but its 10,000x better than anything modernity has to offer and if I had kids I’d give them that in a heartbeat.

Bent X
Bent X
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Denmark sounds great for you. You should stay there. I’m glad your happy

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Nice riding country. I made a bike trip through and dated a girl from Bornholm back in the early 1980s.

d.deacon
d.deacon
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

European towns then still seem to serve the function that in America suburbs took away from American small towns, which is to make for healthier families for people fleeing cities (and avoid build up of centralized large cities – then again, large Euro-government won’t let that happen heh). and yeah the young flee even harder now because with the internet the countryside seems even emptier and dumber by comparison. however, on on one hand rural life isn’t as hard now as it was some time ago, and on the other i was raised in a small city and knew people… Read more »

Karl Horst
Karl Horst
Reply to  David_Wright
1 month ago

Drive through Italy, France and Spain. You’ll see exactly what happens when young people leave. Deserted villages are the norm over here and the trend isn’t going to change anytime soon.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Karl Horst
1 month ago

After The US Neo Liberal system falls apart that puts its efforts into those towns with limits on where business can set up and very possibly a China like system of living permits will have a population increase I suspect. If you have a job, family prospects ,a bit of anti corruption oversight and you can’t run away to the big city anyway, odds are you’ll start a family as you don’t really have other options. The “liberal” option would be for a natal focused culture to vastly increase wages so that there is enough for people to enjoy the… Read more »

d.deacon
d.deacon
Reply to  abprosper
1 month ago

totally agreed on your two replies. i would add that in medieval times, stability was reached because on one hand peasants couldn’t either leave or be evicted, while on the other hand it was hard if not impossible to be allowed to live in the city if you were born outside it. so there’s a precedent for your idea, not just the commie experiments from Soviets and CCP-Chinese, which are more straightforward with their local interprovincial passports but also more easily abused. it was when the kings decided to harness the power of the cities’ tax collectors and bourgeois entrepreneurs… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Cities will end up dooming humanity to stupidity if not extinction since NrX parlance here they operate as IQ shredders . Higher costs and wage arbitrage means lower fertility for smart people. Hello 1.6 fertility forever. Worse before we go global Haiti or global Brazil , some idiot may well make Captain Trips and doom as all. As we’ve seen from the Kung Flu , super urban societies like ours our brittle. Its far better to have many smaller towns and a lot less mobility of people and capital if you want a society that actually lasts a while. Tris… Read more »

Karl Horst
Karl Horst
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

Does he have a Mexican accent? 😉

Member
Reply to  Karl Horst
1 month ago

Is that to me? No, he’s a good ol’ White guy. His family used to raise harness racing horses back when he was young, so he’s got a lot of good stories from traveling the racing circuit back in the day.

bilejones
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Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

“That’s why God made Roundup.”

God made Roundup so that his Chosen (((Ambulance Chasers))) could sue the shit out of Monsanto.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

“Going at it with a chainsaw helps a bit, but why can’t the little green fuckers just stay the fuck down where they belong?” Hahaha. Funny my first job was as a dishwasher too. I liked it. Left alone, steam, music playing and when I was done the commercial kitchen would be sparklingly returned to a state of order and as it was before the grimy day of business had begun. Different folks different strokes I suppose. Unlike laundry. It’s never quite as new looking as when you washed it last and takes forever. A little more worn out, a… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Trimming back all the shit that pops out of the ground in astounding profusion, always leaves me angry and hateful of plant life.

lol this reminded me of an old year book photo I once saw. The guy said “Im not vegetarian b/c I love animals, Im vegetarian b/c I hate plants!” haha

Agree w you on the apocalypse. They might offer an interesting break w routine on the first day. But they get old real fast.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
1 month ago

I finally broke down and bought a lawnmower for the weeds.

Now the neighbors peer fearfully from their curtains as i caper maniacally and scream “Die! Die! Die!”

BTP
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

I did manual labor when I was young for a few years. Now I work for big companies doing work in the knowledge economy. I find them to be not the slightest bit more sophisticated than my old blue collar friends. Softer, more likely to have that local IPA than a Rolling Rock, but just as interested in stupid stuff.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Congratulations – you just made the point that people who live the type of life you admit to preferring – would be completely ungrounded in the realities of life. I spent my earlier years engaging in “monotonous labor” . It’s how I paid my way thru school. And I’d also be willing to bet that I’ve poured more concrete and dug more dirt than 99% of the population in this comment section. I agree with you on one thing: I definitely would not want to spend the entirety of my life doing these things. It IS mind numbing and monotonous… Read more »

Felix Krull
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Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

And I’d also be willing to bet that I’ve poured more concrete and dug more dirt than 99% of the population in this comment section

I’ll be sure to call you if I need dirt dug.

Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Felix, I grew up in a working class home and community and understand your feelings towards manual labor and working class conversations. The working class tends to have a better BS detector but also tend to have vapid conversations. I escaped to avoid the mundane existence. Unfortunately these days the conversation of the cosmopolitan educated good whites is even more vapid because it consists of simply repeating smugly the insane narratives du jour from the NYT and the rest of American Pravda that promulgated on social media. I find myself looking back fondly now on those vapid but largely BS… Read more »

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Well, like everything else, a balance is necessary. Manual labor and mundane tasks can be worthwhile for many, so long as they pay a decent wage and allow some time off.

Conversely, the chattering classes are often chattering about things like anal, gay marriage, bugchasing, gender fluidity, racial diversity, white privilege, and the “oppression of the patriarchy.”

And, of course, the Jews and their “Holocaust” — incessantly.

I also prefer conversations about politics and literature… but it sure matters what politics and what literature we are discussing.

d.deacon
d.deacon
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

that says more about the Faroese and about that Pietist Prot way of just thinking about work and Jesus. i get what you mean though. i think there has to be a time for everything. that is why the Catholics may on one hand be more prone to mortification, but on the other have more holidays prone to living it up. on one hand some self-sufficiency, on the other enough time to rest and read, and either way sharing in national/familial/volk custom. i also think the rurals are also, well, as provincial as the cosmopolitans are now. if anything, it… Read more »

ConservativeFred
ConservativeFred
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Trade-offs with everything. I did not find enjoyment in washing dishes, but when I was done with my shift, my time was my time. When I worked for Globohomo traveling by Business Class was nice, but there were no weekends or family time.

When I examine my time in Globohomocus, I realized has absolutely dependent I was on other people and the system.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  ConservativeFred
1 month ago

when I was done with my shift, my time was my time.

Yes, there’s that.

Maus
Maus
Reply to  ConservativeFred
1 month ago

My first real job was as a dishwasher. Payday I felt like a king because I made ten cents an hour over minimum wage. But my father housed, clothed and fed me. Two years later, I spent a month in a carrot packing shed. Eight hours of mind-numbing physical labor on a conveyor belt that ruled the pace of life. I had to pay for gas and food at that point in life and quickly learned that the juice wasn’t worth the squeeze. I happily went off to university and a future of riding desks. The fact is that everyone… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Maus
1 month ago

Growing up, my Dad was Director of Food Service for a few big hospitals. Thus, I had summer jobs working in the kitchen at three different hospitals — none of them ever ones my Dad managed, because he was cool enough to know that being the boss’s son as a menial food service worker would have been unbearable. He just used connections to get me hired at colleagues’ hospitals. Hey, that’s the way the world works. Yes, I was a nepotism dishwasher. Born with a mass-produced stainless steel spoon in my waterlogged hands. One thing those menial jobs taught me… Read more »

Member
Reply to  ConservativeFred
1 month ago

but there were no weekends or family time.

You just need to stand up to the peer and corporate pressure. Do a good job, but don’t give an inch on that propaganda that says that “good employees answer every call and are constantly checking their texts and email.”

Maybe that means you’ll never make VP, but do you really want to? That life sucks.

ConservativeFred
ConservativeFred
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

In Globohomo Inc. they own your time, all of it. There may be a few hourly type roles where you can walk away at the end of the day, but that is not much different than working on an assembly line or picking fruit.

If you show some initiative, get a promotion, you are on the path to working weekends. You accept it or leave.

Member
Reply to  ConservativeFred
1 month ago

I disagree. I speak from experience. I worked at tech startups and major corporations and I always held my boundaries firm. I became the hero of some of my co-workers one year when we had a big deadline for a coding project. We all worked remotely, but we were in at headquarters for a planning meeting. My boss said that until we got that done, he wanted us all working local. This is like a three-month plan and I can code just as well at home. I just put my foot down. I said, “Nope. I’m not staying away from… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

Impressive. When I coded C++ for the biggest computer gaming company, they required us to work in the office 6 days a week for a few months to meet a deadline. We later won a class action law suit against them for that.

The CTO would say, “working from home is not a human right.” Unless you were exceptionally good, I guess they would have fired you.

Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
1 month ago

I didn’t just work from home, I lived almost all the way across the country (California vs. Ohio). Maybe your company would have fired me. Maybe they would have backed down. Sometimes you have to go all in. They get thinking about the time and expense of hiring and training your replacement, and maybe firing you doesn’t seem like a good idea. Or maybe they fire you and you get a good reminder that Gaming Inc. regards you as an interchangeable cog, so fuck them. You want a life of quiet desperation, then act quietly desperate. You want to be… Read more »

ConservativeFred
ConservativeFred
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

Good on you for being indispensable. Not all of us work in IT, and not all of us are essential. In fact, most people in Globohomo Inc. are not essential and will be dropped like a bad habit on a down quarter, restructuring, acquisition, etc… It has nothing to do with “nutting up.”

Love it or leave it. Eventually, I walked, they replaced me, and life moved on for all parties. Just the way it is.

Member
Reply to  ConservativeFred
1 month ago

Nobody can change that but you.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

In my experience there’s a lot of management types that spend all their time in the office – because that is all they have – and/or they just simply don’t want to be home with the family.

The “working long hours because we have to finish this project!!” – is just an excuse for other issues.

There’s also the “when you’re incompetent fall back on claiming you work long hours!” … excuse.

These types don’t want to be at the office alone – so they’ll browbeat everybody under their thumb to be there as well.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Calsdad
1 month ago

The “working long hours because we have to finish this project!!” – is just an excuse for other issues.

I suspect a lot of overtime is drawn because people can’t stand being around their families – the workplace is a safe space, free of personal shit.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  ConservativeFred
1 month ago

Little is worse than always being at somebody’s beck and call. Your time is not your own. That’s one reason I loathe sail foams and rely on them as little as humanly possible.

Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

I hadn’t heard “sail foam” before, so I did a search on it. Hilarious! 🙂

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

Nice. We’re blessed to be native speakers of possibly the richest language in human history (no matter how shabbily we’ve treated it recently).

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  ConservativeFred
1 month ago

The thing that is hard for us on the DR to learn is to stop helping, stop building things others use and to be as lazy as you can get away with. The caveat here is if you work for yourself and that work benefits you. In that case do all you can to legally minimize taxes and grabby hands . Outside of the above situation all hard work does is make other people who hate you rich The less the do and the less you want, the better off you will be. Call it a Mexican Buddhist work ethic… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Building some shelves on the weekend can be enjoyable and enlightening.

Working the prep station of a restaurant night after night or clearing fields of debris over the summer is just grunt work. I’m glad that I had those jobs, but I don’t need to do them again.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Or actually living with/dealing with minorities, etc. Ideally, a person will, early in life, have some exposure to minorities, as well as other aspects of life that are training. For instance, at least in the old days, having roommates in university, or living in a barracks full of soldiers (hopefully just in basic training), teaches one the benefits (are there any?) of having to live in close proximity with others. On the other hand, it showed me the benefits of having my own space and interacting with others more on my terms than everyone’s. I would add menial labor to… Read more »

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

A lot of these media bugmen are products of the lilly-white suburbs. Their parents or grandparents ran to the burbs when die-versity came to their city and the kids forgot that fact. They are completely unawares of why they lived in the suburbs to begin with. Suburbs are the most soul crushing places on earth. They are a cartoon of ‘country living’ with unbearable traffic jams to get anywhere, shitty strip-malls, Wawa and 7-11 and shopping malls full of teenagers with nowhere else to go and nothing to do. They are a giant bugman factory. But anything is preferable to… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  tarstarkas
1 month ago

If you crave the big bucks, you’ve pretty much got to live in a huge metro area, in one format or another. Personally, I’d prefer to take a sizable pay-cut and live in a small city. And that’s just what I’ve done.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  tarstarkas
1 month ago

While the suburbs were a place to flee diversity, diversity is now fleeing to the suburbs. I don’t go to indoor shopping malls often, maybe once every 2 or 3 years. A recent trip to Woodfield, the huge mall in suburban Schaumburg, was a little shocking. A sea of various shades of brown, with a few white faces scattered about here and there. Not that long ago, this was a place and area that was virtually all white.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 month ago

Yeah, I haven’t been to a mall in ages either. The malls in the city are loaded with “teens” fighting, cursing and just generally acting like animals. I’m the last holdout in my family still in the city. Every other person on both sides have fled since the 80s. So while I live in the city, I am in the burbs a lot for family stuff. I love how everyone pretends to like them. People all over the world love cities because they are great places to live when there is no diversity to ruin them. Detroit used to be… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 month ago

The inner burbs are the new inner city. Ferguson, Missouri is little different than deepest, darkest St. Loouie.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 month ago

Woodfield, the Naperville area, even Huntley; all areas that were once nice, ruined by diversity.

It’s gotten so bad, one has to go south of Manhattan/Monee to escape the Orcs.

Alzaebo
Reply to  tarstarkas
1 month ago

Chesterton’s Suburb

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

As a kid, I worked as a restaurant dishwasher with a Mexican kid. We couldn’t talk to each other, but communicated with hand signs. We ran a tight and tidy shift, and got everything done and done right. The kid had a work ethic and pride in what he did. That’s not work I would want to do for long, but it taught me quite a few things about work, and about people.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Dutch
1 month ago

Dutch, very important observation. I did what I guess is called here menial work. Never said it was the be all and end all of existence. It motivated me to do better—and I did. However, there are many folk, perhaps most, who are basically stuck at the level of what we seem to be calling (denigrating as) menial work. I believe that is wrong and that’s how I interpreted Z-man’s posting today. There is dignity in all work—because working for a living is better (as in morally superior) to being a parasite upon your fellow man. Using the above definition,… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

On one hand, it’s not like I find it fulfilling when I have to hump spools of barb wire out into the woods and up steep hills and come back at the end of the day sweaty, exhausted and inevitably with a few new barb wire scratches, or when I have to spend all day laying tile in a rental house because the previous tenants kept going away all weekend and leaving their three dogs and cat to pee and poop all over the previous carpet and tile, leaving a stench that is soaked into the subflooring. I thoroughly enjoy… Read more »

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

Some of the happiest times of my life have been cleaning stalls. The quiet, the stable smells, which I find quite pleasant, the sounds of horses doing what horses do, and on a real good day, the sound of rain on the tin roof — all good for the soul. This was a family ranch, so I recognize the difference between that and the drudgery of a difficult job working for someone else. But simple chores in the right situation take you to a very nice dimension.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

Farmer strong is far superior to gym strong. Mentally as well as physically.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Felix, it’s especially soul-numbing when purpose is divorced from labor. A man digging a ditch or gutting fish for his own family is happier than a man doing it for Shlomo at $8.00 an hour.

I agree that there’s no inherent romance in grunt-work but pre-industrial societies had a better set of external romances to soften the cog-disso of dirty but necessary jobs.

The NPC cubicle jockey has only “Office Space” for his Iliad.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Exile
1 month ago

A man digging a ditch or gutting fish for his own family is happier than a man doing it for Shlomo at $8.00 an hour. Yes, good point. But then, as ConservativeFred says, the upside of being a wage slave is that you can leave the work behind when you clock out. My first girlfriend was a farmer’s daughter. Her parents worked like farmers do, 24/7, and they seemed quite happy about it. But they’d never had a day off for twenty years (cows don’t take days off), never been on a holiday, never been outside Denmark. That was the… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

But they’d never had a day off for twenty years (cows don’t take days off), never been on a holiday, never been outside Denmark. That was the most horrifying thing I’d ever heard. You haven’t heard very many horrifying things, then. ETA: Seriously. You’re a city guy. Surely you’ve seen some young girl selling herself on a street corner, or a drug-addicted panhandler. Prostitution is legal in Denmark and even legal prostitution is more horrifying to me than farm life. It destroys the souls of young women. Those are just two of a million things I can think of more… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

You haven’t heard very many horrifying things, then.

I was 16 at the time.

As I wrote above, my former father-in-law lost six brothers before he was 50.

Another man in the hamlet lost three sons; one of them he ran over with his truck by accident – the first truck on the island. He never recovered, went soft in the head.

Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

I’m not sure what an excess of deaths in the family has to do with anything. That happens to city people and world travelers, too. My Dad watched his older brother go into a burning barn after some kittens and never come out. My great-grandpa died trying to break up a knife fight. My son died about a year and a half ago. Life happens.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

That’s rough Brother but like you said it’s life and you have to keep driving on… Sorry for your loss though…

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

You’re so lucky you can just go on YouTube and pull up a Monty Python sketch whenever you want. When I was young….

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 month ago

Same here. The reason we built cities and built tech is so that we didn’t have to do this kind of work and would have a more reliable and cheaper source of labor than slaves. That said if you can get the right equilibrium of climate, energy input , safety and so on while not being pressured by the cities and other parasites for your surplus, self sufficiency has its pleasures. All the work goes to you and yours and as such it feels less numbing and wasted. These days hard work just makes the man rich and anyone with… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Natarnsco
1 month ago

Hated work growing up, but eventually figured out it helps recharge the battery. I don’t have to listen to other people, they don’t have to listen to me. Focusing the mind on a simple task instead of letting it run wild with thought or numbing it with entertainment, etc. Plus the health benefits. It’s a moving meditation.

It’s a different story when you have to labor for someone else.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
1 month ago

“The most provincial people on earth live in New York City” I used to have to fly into and out of NYC for business and was shocked at just how true the statement above was. I would listen to New Yorkers on the plane constantly carp about everything that wasn’t NYC (well, they’d rave about foreign destinations but other parts of America were garbage, garbage people eating garbage food). I think the only thing they appreciated about other US localities was the sunshine. By contrast, with most Southerners I’ve dealt with, they may be bemused by the weirdness of other… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Penitent Man
1 month ago

The second most provincial people on earth are professors.

ConservativeFred
ConservativeFred
1 month ago

I used to work for Globohomo Inc., and lived in suburbia outside Megapolis. I still keep in touch with many former colleagues, and have done a few virtual happy hours with them during the lockdown. I consider them level-headed, but the vast majority have bought into the panic. I don’t think they are cynically playing along with the lockdown, but given their location and the prevailing sentiment in globohomocus, they have every reason to believe. A little more surprising in my current location, Upper Midwest University Town, are the number of people also playing along with the current lockdown panic.… Read more »

Sandmich
Sandmich
Reply to  ConservativeFred
1 month ago

It makes me wonder how worthwhile some of these endeavors are. For example, the universities folded real quick on this so even they, the same people who organize global protests against any slight to globohomo, must think that their mission is a waste of space. Likewise, although we have protests in our state against the lockdown, I’m hard pressed to even raise an eyebrow in support of getting the local illegal labor rackets (the Chinese buffet has illegals from all over working in it) to reopen. I guess that’s the bad part, like everything else in the empire it’s not… Read more »

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  ConservativeFred
1 month ago

University towns are ‘little globohomo’ out in the middle of nowhere. The very same types of people you find in DC exist in these college towns. The same useless people doing useless things and living like bugmen. If NYC was a suburb, it would be a college town.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
1 month ago

The people sure they can make it without government may get to test that theory.

I think you’re right. The system is huge and has some inertia. But at some point real food shortages could actually happen. After that happens it’s turbulence, specific predictions futile.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
1 month ago

This might help explain why the Man from Nowhere, Richard Spencer, is a true believer in the lockdown.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 month ago

The Man From Nowhere has a comfy home in too many heads around here. Counter-signalling someone’s irrelevancy is self-defeating.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Exile
1 month ago

Spencer is about as relevant to the 2020’s Dissident Right as that guy who ran the Hale-Boop Comet Cult

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Exile
1 month ago

We seem to do this a lot here, and not just with Spencer.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 month ago

Spencer can always be counted on to come down on the wrong side of an issue. He makes a great contra-indicator.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 month ago

Moldbug is my favorite shrieking violet in this whole mess.

His take was so bad in completely invalidates his entire canon.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 month ago

Why does anyone care about that dweeb.? I gave him his due time and not only is he not helping our cause he’s not DR ,just Nazi Lite with a smidgen of International Bolshevism for good measure

Yuck.

Deuce
Deuce
1 month ago

“The Manhattan media employee…………in reality she is like an oxpecker living on the Rhinovirus of the cosmopolitan system.” Absolutely oblivious to the actual world! Wow, Z, what an early morning visual that is to start the thoughts rolling! And now, several weeks into the Wuhan Lockdown, the very important system that was to be protected from overuse by Flattening the Curve” – the medical heath care system – is suffering from immense underuse and is in real danger of changes that may not be beneficial to the users of the system in the near future. For sure, no one will… Read more »

tristan
tristan
Reply to  Deuce
1 month ago

“In real danger of changes not beneficial to the users of the system.”

This sounds like the perennial warning of the conservative stood on the sidelines as the usual suspects took turns with a wrecking ball to every single item of western culture and infrastructure.

Its intentional now, and it was intentional then. Its intentional every single time. Once the choice is burnt in the system the US get a single payer system and it will be as shit and state controlled as it is in Europe.

Deuce
Deuce
Reply to  tristan
1 month ago

I totally agree with your thoughts.
What I was trying to convey was that the primary reason that the shutdown was mandated (Flatten the curve) – which was total bullshit – was to protect the existing system by not overloading it, when the actual goal was to change it by gaining total control.
You are correct. The unspoken goal is to Socialize and control everything.

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  Deuce
1 month ago

Saw a sign yesterday in a story about protests that called it “Socialist Distancing.”

tristan
tristan
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
1 month ago

I think that traditionally happens in mass graves.

Mark Auld
Mark Auld
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
1 month ago

That’s a keeper, w.a.t. Vikings, should become a meme.

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  Mark Auld
1 month ago

Wish I’d thought of it.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Deuce
1 month ago

Yes, quite a time we live in. People using the park get ticket or arrested, but if you’re a homeless person who needs a place to pitch your tent, hey, use the city park (at least in 9th Appellate District) 😀

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
1 month ago

“In reality, she is like an oxpecker living on the rhinovirus of the cosmopolitan system.”

Lovely phrasing.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  MikeCLT
1 month ago

A Jack Kerouac-approved phrase.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Epaminondas
1 month ago

It’s been a few decades since I’ve read Kerouac. Can you expand?

One of the phrases I remember from “On the Road” is that they were always “balling the jack.” (Let’s hope Jack consented.)

David_Wright
Member
1 month ago

A civil war between the two groups would be a good reckoning time. The times scream for it but I don’t really see how it could manifest itself. All of us in flyover land that are normies would just like to be left alone, but when they arrest mothers on playgrounds, you see that isn’t possible.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  David_Wright
1 month ago

In a civil war, I always thought the police would be on our side. When I see the videos such as the arrests of moms on playgrounds and a cop chasing a lone runner on the empty beach, it seems like we’ll be on our own.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 month ago

I disabused myself of that fantasy years ago. Law enforcement attracts the same rapaciously power hungry types as the Imperial Capital, with even fewer brain cells.

Charlemagne
Reply to  KGB
1 month ago

Mr. Cheka,
You ain’t from the rural south. Cops might be N.K.V.D. clones in your neck of the woods, but down here you’d be a fellow traveler.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 month ago

Wolf – I’m truly surprised you thought that. Not criticizing you, just surprised. They are so into rules for their own sake, pettiness, and power displays that I long ago discarded that childhood belief that cops were the ‘good guys.’ Same with too many in the military. They are also really into the “we’re all ‘murricans’ here” meme and will try to guilt you with tales of their IKAGOs while they arrest you for not groveling to the same.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 month ago

Police don’t want to endanger their pensions. I imagine that the thought of an early retirement with a big pension is what keeps them going most days.

I don’t like it, but I understand. In a sense, our problems with the police are like our problems with modern women. We need to offer them a more attractive alternative. But that’s not easy.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 month ago

They’re dullards who do as they’re told without thinking. Perhaps they would do the same if told to gun down people peacefully protesting the destruction of the economy and what remains of the Constitution in state capitals.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 month ago

Getting shoved into the arms of waiting ANTIFA will disabuse one of any notion of whose side the cops are on real quick…

Charlemagne
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 month ago

Mr. Barney,
I’m a cop in South Georgia. That shit won’t happen here. Refer to my earlier entry about a broken nation.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  David_Wright
1 month ago

Mob protest is the reaction of the lazy (even if it gets violent). And it tends to peter out quickly after the venting has blown off steam. And actual civil war is the easiest thing for tyranny to suppress (hello detention camps and genocide). The real enemy is not numerous. A solution paradigm based on focus will be much more effective (and quick).

Phoenix
Phoenix
Reply to  TomA
1 month ago

Lead the way Tom!

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  TomA
1 month ago

Like?

Hun
Hun
Reply to  David_Wright
1 month ago

There can be no civil war without leaders. People don’t just start fighting by themselves, out of nowhere. Rioting maybe, but not an actual civil war.
Without a leader, people will just wait and slowly cook.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Hun
1 month ago

Agreed. But leaders don’t have to be brigade commanders. You can also inspire others to fight smarter, not harder. All tyrannies sit atop a leviathan of apparatchiks and jackboot corp. Taking on the leviathan en masse is often bloody, problematic, and causes lots of collateral damage. There are better ways to root out the core of this evil and spare the innocents.

Charlemagne
Reply to  David_Wright
1 month ago

David,
What the kungflu fling has confirmed is we’re most certainly not one nation. That ship has long sailed. I live on the coast of Georgia and have as much in common with a denizen of New Jersey as I do with s Bantu bushman…..

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
1 month ago

“The people in the vast unproductive sector of the economy, like the media and politics, have no stake in the economy, so this is just another thing to fill their time”.

“The most provincial people on earth live in New York City and media people are some of the dumbest, making for the perfect storm”.

Two statements of epochal, cosmic truth in today’s essay.

Channelling and updating Henry II query: will no one rid me of this turbulent city?

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  Stranger in a strange land
1 month ago

We need our version of Eric Swallwell, the commie California representative who indicated (“the government has nukes”) he would approve bombing an American city to make a point, specifically to rein in gun owners. Well, Eric, what’s sauce for the goose . . .

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
1 month ago

Swallwell is just another stupid pol who says whatever comes into his head. The Nukes statement is always a tell of such an unthinking individual. Nukes will never be used on US soil as they would achieve no productive purpose—except perhaps to unite the populous against the government.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Compsci
1 month ago

I think she was applauding Swallwell’s spirit more than his tactics.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

Yes, that is a better interpretation. Read, think, respond. I’ll try better next time.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Stranger in a strange land
1 month ago

Since I was raised in the DC burbs I grew up in my own sort of bubble, but I was truly astonished as a college freshman to hear Newyawkahs talk about “the city” (as if no other existed). And my subsequent two brief visits there were not magical and scintillating, but disgusting – the filth, the diversity, the crime, the crowding. I yearn to escape the soulless suburbs for a small town with real neighbors.

Alzaebo
Reply to  3g4me
1 month ago

Saml Adams once gave us a delightful ride through the byzantine NYC transport system- “I got a taxi to the L train, then took a bus to the subway and walked three blocks to the ferry” type stuff. I’m hoping one of the natives might take us on another tour.

But, I’ve been to scrap yards in Queens and many other major cities, and met a million bums, gangbangers, and night people.

Such broken, scarred, alien provincials are breathtaking, actually. My first thought is always, “What if I were you? What would be on my mind right now?”

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  3g4me
1 month ago

@3g4me
Come on up to MT we are open for business 😉

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

Historically and relevant to the current pandemic: the city is the seat of power, political, economic, social, etc. Concentration of people has benefits of scale but a soft white underbelly: proximity vastly increases the opportunities for a nasty* virus like COVID-19. We will learn to manage around it but it is a major disruption. We are quickly learning how much of our modern society was built on the assumption that large numbers of persons could safely crowd together. *As diseases go, the coronavirus is a nuisance but rather tame compared to some of history’s killers. Think of the Black Death.… Read more »

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

I’ll take my chances my in order to keep my freedoms. And my children’s and grandchildren’s freedoms. That is, I would if my country was not made up of people sucking their thumbs in the fetal position. If people were bleeding out their eyeballs, that would be one thing. But this appears to be a bad pneumonia, nothing more. And now we probably won’t have herd immunity, which could possibly mean that more people will die than if this thing had taken its natural course. And the virtue-signaling of social distancing and one-way grocery aisles may be here to stay.… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

Ben, no one’s stopping you from self quarantine. What you seem to be asking is that everyone else join you in economic suicide in order to increase your perceived safety. Hole up in your apartment, order home delivery of food stuffs to your hearts content, but don’t ask others to beggar themselves in order to preserve your hide. PS, the Head of the VA where the HydroxiCloroquine “study” was performed has issued a statement basically decrying the finding. 1) patients were given the treatment at almost the point of death, 2) no zinc was administered. Meanwhile NYC wants more doses… Read more »

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 month ago

we should not joke about it

Norm Macdonald is doing some Grade A material right now.

sirlancelot
sirlancelot
1 month ago

Have listened to New Yorkers and ther put-downs for years. NYC is so much better than anywhere else blah blah blah, you stupid hayseeds, etc. But where did they all start running when the plague hit the city ? Why the same backwater hickvilles they love to trash so much. Used to run into these geniuses during the summer time. Stupid cunts couldn’t even change a flat tire or it was beneath them .Why get their hands dirty ? I paid for that roadside service ! What do you mean the tow truck is out of the area ? Who’s… Read more »

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  sirlancelot
1 month ago

sirlancelot,

Agreed. I will make a clarification to my earlier statement. Worked with a crew of men from upstate New York a few years ago. They were still damned Yankees but they weren’t NYCites. They knew their way around off-roading, hunting, ice fishing etc… basically damned yankee rednecks. Their manners were rubbish but I liked them quite a bit. And they seemed to despise NYC.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Penitent Man
1 month ago

You see more Confederate flags in Upstate New York than you see in the South…

Din C. Nuttin
Din C. Nuttin
Reply to  sirlancelot
1 month ago

I lived in Manhattan for about 3 months in 1972. I left the apartment around 73rd street one morning with my raincoat over my arm, and it slipped off and hit the sidewalk. I had to consider whether I still wanted it after being on the filthy New York sidewalk.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Din C. Nuttin
1 month ago

If you had been on the Lower East Side during that period, you would have left it there.

Alzaebo
Reply to  sirlancelot
1 month ago

The great thing about New York is the born-and-bred will help you with anything, they’ll even stop traffic at 2 in the morning…

and then they’ll warn you to watch out for Nuw Yoahkuhs, they’ll cut ya heart out for five bucks.

NJ Person
NJ Person
1 month ago

I am originally from the upper Midwest and have lived for years and travelled in many foreign countries. That being said, I have been living in the N.Y.C. metropolitan area for decades and can testify to the provincialism of New Yorkers. For example, when I tell them that they have the worst subway system in the world, I receive blank or incredulous looks. They really do not know. The big problem now is that they are not only letting their city decline, but they are trying to destroy our nation’s economy and society with this open-ended lockdown. In other words,… Read more »

Drake
Drake
Reply to  NJ Person
1 month ago

I live in NJ but do my best to avoid NYC as much as possible. But your statement still surprises me. The subway system is like a descending into a sewer. Boston’s T is the only one I’ve seen comparable in filth and decrepit equipment. I know they spend vast sums of money on it, and I assume what little isn’t skimmed off by the connected corrupt is spent on diversity training.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Drake
1 month ago

Had the privilege to utilize many different subway systems. Moscow’s was majestic – Stalin built his public their palaces (which doubled as bomb shelters). I grew up while they were digging up DC for its subway, and rode it when it first opened, but the pride in the long escalators (which were constantly broken and sloooow when not) was laughable. Moscow’s escalators (which were never out of service during my entire year there) were twice as long and steep, and they moved fast enough that they were initially quite intimidating.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  NJ Person
1 month ago

NYC – “worst subway system in the world”

Really? I find their subway system OK, given their “diverse” circumstances. As public transit goes, it’s probably one of the best in the US, though that is setting the bar very low in the first place.

NJ Person
NJ Person
Reply to  Hun
1 month ago

I speak from personal experiences in Tokyo, London, Paris, Athens, DC and (even) Chicago.

You may wish to check this link. What I say is no big secret.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/20/nyregion/new-york-today-how-did-the-subways-get-so-bad.html

My comments concerning the subways extend to the airports and other public facilities.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  NJ Person
1 month ago

I was talking about the system overall, including density and coverage, which is definitely not bad by American standards, which are admittedly very low. I also speak from personal experience.

Of course, in a world wide context, NYC subway isn’t that great, especially when compared to first world systems outside of North America.

The NYT article is paywalled, btw.

Screwtape
Screwtape
1 month ago

The latest in my local governments war on chinavirus: it is now illegal to play catch or frisbee in the parks. No use of “shared objects” allowed. This is not about our health. The thing about building a utopia that most people fail to understand is that it is not about solving toward their happiness. If the builders don’t need you to supply the things they need, you will not be invited to the cloud city. And even if you are, your little utopia will be a prison of basic needs supplied by people who hate you and are constantly… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Screwtape
1 month ago

I don’t see the logic behind any of the lockdown directives, but this one strikes me as particularly odd. If you can play catch, what difference does it make where you play it? It’s not like strangers happen along in the park and begin sharing the frisbee or football or what have you.

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  KGB
1 month ago

The overlords are still just a little unsure about how many of the rubes will invoke the Takings Clause, so they’re treading just a little gingerly for now, limiting it to parks. Won’t be long until it’s everyone’s yards.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Screwtape
1 month ago

I just finished reading (mentioned on Bruce Charlton’s blog) PKD’s “The Penultimate Truth”. Makes me think of that in a odd way.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
1 month ago

A couple of nights ago the TV news had a segment about a local college in suburban New York City converting their dorms into a quarantine center, so that people who needed to isolate away from family or roommates would have a place to stay. This story was presented as a great example of how we’re all in this together. A few minutes later, the same TV news had a story about a Hilton Hotel in Manhattan that had been converted into a similar quarantine center; they were investigating why three people died from heart attacks within a 24 hour… Read more »

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
1 month ago

What is that thing Goebbels said? Something like, ” When I hear the word culture I want to reach for my pistol.”

I feel the same way about, “We are all in this together.”

At first I just cringed when the radio commercial would announce the mega-box store or bimbo-laden local news channel mouthed this phrase. Now I want to stop the person saying it into dust. Too much?

Diversity Heretic
Member
Reply to  Penitent Man
1 month ago

The quote is usually attributed to Hermann Goering, Head of the German Luftwaffe during the Third Reich.

Kind of strange, since Goering showed reasonably good taste in the art that he looted from German-occupied countries.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
1 month ago

Diversity,

Yes. Correct thanks. I was pulling from the memory of some documentary long ago and too lazy to google it.

I think he was talking about the sleazy decadent culture developed after the Great War. Kind of like many pretend performance or shock art of today is art.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Penitent Man
1 month ago

Or demon worship“Spirit Cooking”

King Tut
King Tut
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
1 month ago

“Every time I hear the word “culture”, I reach for my pistol”.

It is actually a line from a pro-NS German stage play from the 1930s. Wrongly attributed to Hermann Goering.

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  Penitent Man
1 month ago

Nope. Seems just right to me.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Penitent Man
1 month ago

I hear you, brother. “Social distancing” has replaced “Kommuniteee” as my ‘reach for my gun’ term.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Penitent Man
1 month ago

What vexes me the most is, “We’re here to take care of you,” or one of its insipid variants. I don’t need you to take care of me, you clown. I’m more than capable of taking care of myself. Aren’t people, especially grown men, infuriated by being treated like infants?

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

Not many of my generation (millennial). Far too many boys coddled their entire lives, given their participation trophies – *taken care of*.

tristan
tristan
1 month ago

I am not sure one can breach the divide in any meaningful sense. Look at Globalism from the 80s. Offshored hundreds of thousands of jobs, eviscerated the traditional manufacturing economy in nearly all the west and laid waste to huge areas of the country. The same sectors sort of shrugged as it played out on TV and well away from them. They were still doing fine. The economic impact was theoretical, although in some ways similar to now for those areas affected. Its the same with this. Govt/Media/academic etc are just not going to be affected so its a bit… Read more »

FashGordon
FashGordon
Reply to  tristan
1 month ago

Muh individualism. They have convinced the right unions and collective organizing are bad and communistic, and therefore we have no capacity for collective bargaining. An atomized herd is much easier to cull and exploit than an organized one. The left doesn’t care because most of their minds have been completely divorced from reality for some time now anyway. Most of them, like much of the right, get their takes fed to them by the glowing box. The right has better instincts on the whole but these are always manipulated into something impotent. Like individualism. What happened to the tea party… Read more »

Epaminondas
Member
1 month ago

A long time ago I lived in New York City. Those people are neurotic. Their hysteria was not unexpected for me. The problem is, normie does not understand this. He thinks that television talking head is just like him. Sad mistake.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Epaminondas
1 month ago

Every sitcom character and joke in the past 30 years has revolved around being neurotic. “He’s funny because he’s fruity…and neurotic. She’s funny because she’s airheaded…and neurotic. He’s funny because he’s a genius…and neurotic. Etc.” It’s likely one way in which they validate their own pathologies.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  KGB
1 month ago

Fly bargain airlines from JFK to Miami loaded to brimming with New York (((retirees))). I’ve done it on a regular basis. You know nothing of neuroticism and narcissism until you do.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Penitent Man
1 month ago

Don’t bother paying the fare, just watch any episode of Seinfeld. Hopefully we all know by now that the main characters are the villains of the story.

Edit… oops, Dutch beat me to it.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Epaminondas
1 month ago

Seinfeld is all about NYC people. They are that neurotic and awful.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Epaminondas
1 month ago

The gullible following the lead of the neurotic–sounds like a sound plan for the future.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
1 month ago

I nominate Katy Tur at NBC as the perfect example of the Manhattan media employee Zman describes above.

Speaking of takes, Dr. Bruce Charlton recently blogged a great high-level take analyzing why the Left can only distort, disrupt, and destroy.

His conclusion was that those qualities will prevent the Left from implementing a global, tech-heavy, AI-based surveillance state. I am not as certain.

WM Briggs’ Coronavirus Idiocy Awards post is worth visiting if only to click through to Moldbug’s CV take. Moldbug’s take is so horrifically civnat/globalist it invalidates his entire canon.

King Tut
King Tut
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 month ago

“Moldbug’s take is so horrifically civnat/globalist it invalidates his entire canon.”

I hope not. I have some fondness for Moldbug. By the time I came across him, I had already swallowed the red pill but he washed it down for me.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  King Tut
1 month ago
King Tut
King Tut
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 month ago

Yes, it is rather histrionic. I’m just sad about it. I feel that I owe Moldbug something.

Member
1 month ago

It is fair to say that if the hot spot for the virus had been Appalachia, it would barely rate a segment on the cable chat shows. Basically, the only time the media cares about Appalachia, aside from making jokes at the expense of the sister-humping rubes, is if they can use it to promote some socialist wealth distribution program: “Let’s try to “rebuild” Appalachia with more government grants for stupid shit that only ends up putting money in the pockets of liberal social workers or system-gaming corporations.” Or to promote some “environmmental” cause like opposing mountaintop mining that is… Read more »

TomA
TomA
1 month ago

And don’t forget the hypocrisy. Nancy Pelosi has a mega freezer full of gourmet ice cream (which she is happy to brag about), and gets reelected in a landslide every 2 years. And the Governor of New Jersey will send in the jackboots to arrest Christians and Jews holding religious services, but not the Islamists. This is who leads us. This is who we elect. Something is badly broken. And the threat is not trivial.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  TomA
1 month ago

I think they gave up arresting the Jews – at least the real ones with funny hats and sideburns. They have / are good lawyers and refused to be pushed around. And yes – mosques in Patterson can pack in as many people as they want and the cops won’t do a thing. But Christians are easy and fun to push around.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Reply to  Drake
1 month ago

is there still a paper towel manufacturing plant in Patterson? Marcal I think..
haven’t been out that ways in decades.
thnx

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
1 month ago

It went bankrupt, then was burned down. My wife underwrote some of their insurance and still gets mad if we drive past it. (You can see what’s left of it from the highway)

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Reply to  Drake
1 month ago

no wonder the stores don’t have any paper towels..

Charlemagne
Reply to  Drake
1 month ago

Drake,
Those aren’t cops, they’re apparatchiks for the state.

Pete
Pete
Reply to  TomA
1 month ago

Pelosi’s tour of her kitchen and fancy ice cream was spectacular. But her talk with AIPAC about her fundamental commitment to Israel remains her best work.

https://youtu.be/53x_zrkJwDs

nailheadtom
1 month ago

The Covid-19 pandemic is much different than its most notable modern predecessor, the “Spanish flu” for a couple of reasons. The Spanish flu, which didn’t involve serious lockdowns, occurred during and shortly after WWI, when the media, then composed of newspapers and radio, was under the thumb of government censorship. There was no internet to distribute alternate views. The Wilsonian feds tolerated no divergent opinions and arrested and deported those that they could, like Emma Goldman. There was little mention of the effects of the flu, at least compared to today, perhaps because of the potential for problems in the… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
1 month ago

Here are the latest attempts to juice the death numbers, with the US playing with dates and the UK working the excess deaths angle:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/first-us-coronavirus-deaths-occurred-weeks-earlier-believed-officials-find-live

Exile
Exile
Member
1 month ago

The restive spirit born of our hunter-gatherer and Indo-European blood has waned in the 50 years since it lifted us to the Moon. The now-ascendant lowlander spirit of consumption and creature comfort makes for pleasant times in pleasant times, but this Shire-like existence has always relied on rough men at its borders to protect the comfy core when darkness falls. There is little place for such men in today’s settled society without borders to ward. The Kings have left their thrones to soy-boy Stewards & the Shield Maidens have gone mad in their absence for lack of a strong hand… Read more »

ExNativeSon
ExNativeSon
Reply to  Exile
1 month ago

Exile, pure writing brilliance.

Got nothing more….story telling at its finest.

I remember you saying you were thinking of starting a blog. I certainly hope so.

onezeno
Reply to  Exile
1 month ago

The moon landings were faked. That “restive spirit” has apparently been dead a lot longer than you think, and the full embrace of enormous lies – much older.

Sperg Adjacent
Sperg Adjacent
1 month ago

They don’t have a walk-in closet full of moral signifiers.

It’s lines like this that get him on the All-Star Team every year.

ExNativeSon
ExNativeSon
1 month ago

I am going to copy a part of what I wrote the other day because it applies so succinctly to today’s topic “I live in fun filled Cali where most people I know work in government or academia OR like me and my wife are getting monthly defined benefit pension and SS checks. All is good; what economic hardship or possible collapse? And nice anonymous drivers keep leaving packages of food and supplies on our doorstep.” The divide between those that do and those that live off of the taxpayer and government teat has never been more apparent than in… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  ExNativeSon
1 month ago

Well most of their power comes from outside the cities and they are making themselves more vulnerable every year by switching to more and more “green power” and getting rid of anything that is reliable…So if that’s their plan they better do it soon because they are getting weaker each passing year…

ExNativeSon
ExNativeSon
Reply to  Lineman
1 month ago

Lineman, Glad to “see” you again. You hadn’t posted in a bit, or maybe I just missed them. I am just throwing it out that in any conflict it is best to know and respect the other side’s potential. I have lived in both cultural arenas and worked in occupations dominated by each side. A number of the people on this site have or are working undercover as it were in cloud culture and that is to our great advantage. Few people I know in the hive have any clue regarding the abilities and toughness of (some of) the dirt… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  ExNativeSon
1 month ago

Thanks Brother good to see you as well..I was busy practicing what I preach helping others in my Community be better prepared for whatever comes…Also was busy working around the property getting the garden ready for planting, cutting down trees, digging out the pond because the creek fills it with sediment every year, and building a road so I can access more of the mountain… Hopefully you can get up this way soon MT is slowly opening back up…

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
1 month ago

And while we shut down and listen to the cosmopolitans the great relief program is being looted by the corporate class. I own stock in a company with 90 million dollars on its books yet it got in line and received 5 million from this small business relief package. I should be happy as a stockholder right? Now the small business relief program needs more money. And the small business restaurant owner has to shutter. Another way the cosmopolitans have taken over is by pushing the every day man into 401k’s while at the same time reducing his wage. The… Read more »

bilejones
Member
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
1 month ago

The best example of entitled looters is Harvard, They have their hand out for $9 million or so.
$9 million will pay for four months of the $26 million salary for the manager of their $40 billion endowment.

The Orange man should be telling them to get fucked loud and often.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
1 month ago

Sorry to comment off topic, but I saw a short video feed from an Illinois state briefing, and I thought it was worth sharing. JB (Jabba) the Hut aka Pritzker, was speaking in the last few days at a briefing, and when asked a question, he asked one of his medical experts to answer. The question was with regard to the first teenager to die from Covid. The nice lady prefaced her answer by explaining that anyone who dies, and is infected with Covid, is automatically counted as a Covid virus death. She made no bones about it. One didn’t… Read more »

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
1 month ago

Had a local guy fall off a ladder and bash his head. Died at the hospital but tested positive for the Commie Cough. Guess what his cause of death was…

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Drake
1 month ago

A neighboring county had its first Wuflu death yesterday. The paper described him as “a 77-year-old male with extensive underlying health conditions who developed respiratory failure and was unable to overcome the extensive complications despite aggressive medical treatment.” Extensive underlying conditions at the age of 77. What good does it do to throw him on the pyre of public hysteria?

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Drake
1 month ago

Getting back to the man who fell off a ladder. What are they testing for when determining if there is a presence of Corona virus in a corpse? If, as studies are now showing, the number of people with antibodies to the Wuhan flu are much larger than first anticipated, does it follow that testing for it post-mortem will result in widespread attribution to the virus as a cause of death? Or is that an apples to oranges thing? Is it possible that this man had the virus 2 months ago and it would show up in the autopsy or… Read more »

Karl Horst
Karl Horst
Reply to  KGB
1 month ago

I heard about a guy who was out playing golf in Florida and died from the Corona-Virua after being eaten by an alligator. Something about animal-to-human transmission.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Drake
1 month ago

In London, the joke is that the Wu Flu is a miracle cure: it’s been 6 weeks since anybody has died of a heart attack,

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
1 month ago

Decisions about lockdowns are being made with faulty data, and the numbers have been rendered meaningless.
IOW, all going according to plan.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
1 month ago

The truth will out. When you label a heart failure as Corona-19 as cause of death, you “up” the Corona score, but decrease the HF score. That can *not* be hidden. Last year’s deaths will show the typical rate of HF deaths, pneumonia death, Flu deaths, etc. Those death rates are know and published, they can not be undone. When this panic has passed, we’ll see what the real Corona-19 score was, when we adjust the numbers to reflect expected deaths from known—and expected—causes. Such numbers are already being computed and the results of current Corona tabulations being called into… Read more »

roberto
roberto
Reply to  Compsci
1 month ago

Thats exactly why briggs says that you have to look at “all cause” deaths . See if theres really any more deaths this year compared to past years. Thats the only way you’ll really be able to tell if this was really a thing or not.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  roberto
1 month ago

Roberto—and all others—my apologies. Yes, Briggs is a major source of my thinking. Credit should be given where credit is due. I will try to do more so in the future.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Compsci
1 month ago

I’m happy to see him get some more attention recently. He’s been toiling in the wilderness for years over there.

AlBundy
AlBundy
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
1 month ago

Another issue with governor Jabba The Butt is that (((he))) is clearly projecting his fears which stem from his personal comorbidity – obesity – onto his minions. I worked with that guy at the incubator 1871. Jabba is a caricature of a neurotic (((man))). He was also a max hedonist pre-covid 19 but I suspect that his inclinations to “party” are now curtailed and he is redirecting the energy from those enthusiasms into his government work. Jabba likely believes Illinois will receive a massive federal government bailout. We who live under the yoke here are truly screwed.

Severian
1 month ago

On my more hopeful days, I think this crisis could be a mass-redpilling. I’m not the first to notice that the ones who love to style themselves #TheResistance are cowering the furthest under their beds, sucking their thumbs down to nubs. Nor am I the only one who has asked myself why boating ramps and campsites are closed, but liquor stores, in-person lottery ticket sales counters, and abortion clinics remain open. Nor am I the only person to have figured out the answer to that question… once people start *saying* it, though, there’s the potential for real change.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Severian
1 month ago

#TheResistance is particularly scared of the virus because for them it has the extra terror of being laced with In The Time Of Trump.

And, they can signal they “f***ing love science”, care for humanity, and opposition to the Orange Man all at once by… doing absolutely nothing. It’s a three-fer!

The Right Doctor
The Right Doctor
Reply to  Severian
1 month ago

One first-approximation approach that works reasonably well is to look at which businesses provide more tax revenues than others. Pot and booze emporia are way up there. Letting you recreate, not so much. For God’s sake, you’ve already paid for your fishing license. Why would they want you to to use it? Where I live, the golf course is open but the (free) putting greens are closed. Same theory, mutatis mutandis.

Tencent Tyranny
Tencent Tyranny
1 month ago

“The closer you are to the center, the more enthusiastic you are for the mandatory shuttering of society… The people in the vast unproductive sector of the economy, like the media and politics, have no stake in the economy, so this is just another thing to fill their time.“ How I wish it had been these people thrown out of work and onto the streets. HR ladies, office drones, media liars, nonprofit scabs like the ADL, celebrities and entertainers, sports chaff, diversity haranguers, politicians, economists, academics—-these are the people that need to suffer the most. But the situation’s been exactly… Read more »

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
1 month ago

I have a different take. The protests only started after it was clear the lockdown wasn’t doing much. When they were still afraid, they happily went along with it. Or maybe it just took time to sink in. I guess we will find out when they start harping about the “second wave” and the need to lock down again. But the thing that puzzled me from the beginning was the Chinese lock-down. Not really knowing anything about China, they didn’t come across to me as being hysterical like our media women and they just locked down a city of like… Read more »

China realist
China realist
Reply to  tarstarkas
1 month ago

Remember, the Chinese may not be hysterically feminized like us, but that doesn’t mean they react rationally either. Like all large-scale government, the CCP may have reacted the way it did because that’s all it knew or was able to do. After years of destroying the social fabric of China, after destroying local and smaller scales of government, after destroying all the complexities of self-management and self-regulation in their society, the blunt ax was probably the only tool left in the CCP toolbox. When you convert society to smartphone lemmings living in concrete towers, the only effective tool you have… Read more »

Drake
Drake
Reply to  tarstarkas
1 month ago

The “lockdowns” were initially sold as “flattening the curve” and were only supposed to be for a few weeks. Trump hinted at an Easter reopening. It was only after the governors got high on their new powers that it became possibly months long and stupid crap like closing state forests was added to the deal.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Drake
1 month ago

I was going a little stir-crazy at home and decided to go for a bike ride. So I go on my normal bike ride route which goes through a playground. They got both sides closed off, chained and padlocked. They are now arresting middle aged women playing with children in the playgrounds! https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/breaking-idaho-mom-arrested-for-letting-her-kids-play-in-park/ The cops will just “do their job” and “follow orders” no matter what it is, no matter how repugnant. They are absolutely shameless about it because they know conservatards will bitch and moan, but they are never going to water the tree of liberty no matter how… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  tarstarkas
1 month ago

The playground arrests happened in Meridian, Idaho, a city that has tripled or quadrupled in size in the last twenty years, due to transplanted middle class whites, many from California (need I say more?). The cops there likely don’t GAF about a bunch of women in playgrounds, and are simply exercising crowd control, like they would do in a crowded venue somewhere. There is likely little sense of community there, just a bunch of entitled people thrown together over the last few years. In a community where everyone knows each other and grew up together, this kind of thing would… Read more »

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  Drake
1 month ago

And now Trump can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube.

Member
1 month ago

Who is more deluded about reality is debatable. We may get to find out if the crackdown lasts much longer. Parts of the supply chain are breaking. Doesn’t seem all that debatable to me. I’d rather be out here than in there. I grow my own meat. I can heat with nothing but the wood available on my own property. I have my own water available. I don’t usually garden, but if I really thought it was coming to that, I can plant acres of garden. If we were at such a Mad Max stage where I couldn’t get fuel… Read more »

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

In one week, my wife will be six months pregnant. As such, I hate these people. In a couple of weeks, I think many of us will have to face the decision: flee, or hunker down.

Member
Reply to  Lawdog
1 month ago

If your wife is healthy, find a midwife. Four out of my five were born at home (and the first barely made it to the hospital). People have been brought up to be terrified of birth by the medical establishment. An ordinary healthy woman doesn’t need any of the high-tech accoutrements. Hospitals are filthy, dirty staph and strep farms, and a good midwife can recognize when the rare situation that requires a transport to the hospital is necessary with more than ample time to spare.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Lawdog
1 month ago

So you have a wife and girlfriend that must be trying especially being out of work…

You on the Russell Kirk thread…

“It’s very depressing. My girlfriend got to keep her job, and it’s created a power imbalance around the house. All of her duties are email and phone based. I just don’t see us escaping from pixel samsara”

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Lineman
1 month ago

Maybe he’s recently married. I tended to do that a lot a few months after tying the knot.

Or he’s a Fed.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  BadThinker
1 month ago

Or it was a shotgun wedding 😉

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Lineman
1 month ago

Those are the best kinds of wedding.

“Naw, Lulu ain’t said nothing. God, I wonder if I ought to let the girl marry a fellow like you? But I got to protect her good name, and guess Floyd and me can see to it you give her a square deal after the marriage. Now I’ve sent out word to invite all the neighbors to the house tonight for a little sociable to tell ’em Lulu and you are engaged, and you’re going to put on your Sunday-go-to-meeting suit and come with us, right now.”

Member
1 month ago

It will not be long before shelves are empty of essentials.

Then we get to redefine “essential.” Essential is not cruelty-free arugula.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

Nope. It’s Beef from Rancho Vizzini. I don’t suppose you butcher and ship in dry ice, do ya? Seems like Amazon (and thus UPS/FedEx) will still be around.

Member
Reply to  BadThinker
1 month ago

No. 🙂 You need all kinds of certifications, licenses and inspections to butcher for sale. If I ship it to you, it will be mooing. I’ve got a friend who’s doing it end to end, but works with a slaughterhouse for the butchering part — then he picks up the packaged meat and handles the marketing and distribution. It’s free range, organic non-GMO beef, so he’s going for that niche more-money-than-sense hipster paleo market, lol. I could to that, but that’s more work than I’m interested in. His beef is generally better than mine — he’s running a much more… Read more »

Vegetius
Vegetius
1 month ago

Manhattan is the seat of Usual Oxpecker power and should be considered enemy-occupied territory.

I propose we round up all our guys who are all-in on this being the second Black Death, and catapult them into Manhattan.

After it is all over, we raze the place, salt the ruins, and accuse the Usual Oxpeckers who have survived of crimes against white humanity. We can hold the trials in, say, Paducah or maybe Rapid City.

Phoenix
Phoenix
1 month ago

There are plenty of people outside the cities screeching about the need for a lockdown.

CZ master race
CZ master race
Reply to  Phoenix
1 month ago

To my untrained eye they seem to be mostly women and non-essential males.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  CZ master race
1 month ago

And government employees with fat paychecks, gold-plated benefits, taxpayer-guaranteed pensions who think this just a great, extended vacation.

Josj
Josj
1 month ago

We’ll soon find out when theory meets reality.

Member
1 month ago

Oregon just arrested 2 surfer dudes for trespassing on public property for the crime of SURFING.

https://www.wweek.com/outdoors/2020/04/21/two-oregon-surfers-face-trespassing-charges-after-hopping-fence-for-sweet-waves/

Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
Member
1 month ago

I see it in my large metro area. I live in the distant, largely vibrant-free suburbs while I have friends who are more of the hipster types who live closer to the city center. Even though some of them are closer to our side, they as a whole have been much more paranoid about this outbreak than others. I see their bleatings on Facebook, hating the protestors who just want to go back to work. My friends are divided into two camps: One would be fine with the lockdown continuing until there is no chance of death from this virus,… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
1 month ago

To your last paragraph, the curve benders and their cult have blood on their hands from all the suicides and substance related deaths that are occurring as a result of lockdown.

Sadly, they will never be punished.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
1 month ago

Try to research even a single thing about the protests. What do you get? NY TIMES: The hidden hand of the GOP behind the “seemingly spontaneous” protests! Right, because massive unemployment, business closures and probable food shortages are all very partisan issues. They ask Trump to “call off” the protesters, as though he were our leader or funding us or something.

I’ve had it with these people.

Bullshit Jobs
Bullshit Jobs
1 month ago
The Babe
The Babe
Member
Reply to  Bullshit Jobs
1 month ago

Bullshit jobs are not just destructive in themselves, but are also harmful because they employ a lot of women.

If we eliminated them, it would free up a lot of women to stay home, have children, and keep our whole parade going.

Instead a lot of women are locked up in the bullshit jobs.

Member
Reply to  The Babe
1 month ago

You’re on the right track, but I think you have cause and effect backwards. Bullshit jobs don’t lure women into the workforce. Women in the workforce lead to the creation of bullshit jobs. You are not going actually be able to get rid of bullshit jobs or address wage stagnation as long as you are telling teenage girls that what they really need to do is have a career and “live their lives” before someday, in the distant future, maybe getting married, having a kid and becoming and “I can do it all!” career woman who is only held back… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

Right. The genius of the bullshit job is precisely that it isn’t really something that needs to get done at all. This means that the job description and even job tasks can be adapted for whatever mix of physical and mental abilities (more usually disabilities) are possessed by the job holder. A real job is steel, it just sits there and is what it is. If you’re made of harder stuff you can cut it down to size and master it. If not, it cuts you. The bullshit job is water. It assumes the form of whatever human vessel it… Read more »

Bullshit Jobs
Bullshit Jobs
Reply to  Bullshit Jobs
1 month ago

From the article:

“While corporations may engage in ruthless downsizing, the layoffs and speed-ups invariably fall on that class of people who are actually making, moving, fixing and maintaining things; through some strange alchemy no one can quite explain, the number of salaried paper-pushers ultimately seems to expand.”

Member
Reply to  Bullshit Jobs
1 month ago

I think a far greater tragic outcome for this pandemic would not be the tens of thousands of deaths, but for our offices of Diversity, Inclusion and Equity to suffer!

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Bullshit Jobs
1 month ago

This assumes there isn’t a meta-game being played by those at the top. The creation of the bullshit job is an ideal way to protect the sociopaths extracting $$ from the organization from the folks doing the real work at the bottom. When the organization no longer serves the sociopaths purpose, it is killed, broken apart, and the sociopaths move on.

Member
Reply to  Bullshit Jobs
1 month ago

As a potential solution, Graeber suggests universal basic income, a livable benefit paid to all without qualification, which would let people work at their leisure.

I love when someone correctly identifies a problem, then comes up with absolutely the most mind-bogglingly stupid solution for it. It’s a crisis of imagination.

The Babe is on the right track. Not a UBI, but do something like Hungary — huge financial incentives for marrying and becoming parents.

Member
Reply to  Bullshit Jobs
1 month ago

There’s a lot of questions one could ask here, starting with, what does it say about our society that it seems to generate an extremely limited demand for talented poet-musicians, but an apparently infinite demand for specialists in corporate law? (Answer: if 1% of the population controls most of the disposable wealth, what we call ‘the market’ reflects what they think is useful or important, not anybody else.) His answer is only half right or less. The other half of the demand is that the supply of talented poet-musicians is highly limited. The blank slate is not real. Every unemployed… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

Yep Community is where it’s at…

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
1 month ago

“If you’re willing to send cops after people walking on the beach, just to make a point about who decides who can go outside, you’re probably going to have no qualms about ending the voting charade.”

EXCEPT if it’s Trump who calls off the November election. Then the cosmopolitan provincials will all become natural law scholars.

The Babe
The Babe
Member
1 month ago

Who is more deluded about reality is debatable.

Well, their reality is not the same as our reality, that’s for sure.

Might be a good thing. The more irreconcilable the realities, the better. That’s a recipe for separation.

I’m a big fan of natiation. Meaning the separation of a polity into two separate nations. Coined by analogy with “speciation.” Not living the the other guy’s reality–your enemy’s reality!–is a key precondition of natiation.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
1 month ago

In my part of the Midwest, even the rural areas are full of the same vapid Healthcare Worker worship and Stay Home signaling. It seems like authorities might finally be tired of dealing with it though. One of my friends was accosted at a Costco by a shrieking Karen who tried to forcibly put a mask on his son who was sitting in the cart, screaming he was endangering his kid’s life. To store management’s credit, they called the police and escorted the lady out. When the police arrived they said he would have been in his rights to smack… Read more »

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 month ago

Not sure we can all go off into the Desert like St. Antony the Great.. They’d follow us there to make sure we were wearing a mask.

BabeSpokesman
BabeSpokesman
Member
1 month ago

Who is more deluded about reality is debatable.

Well, their reality is not the same as our reality, that’s for sure.

Might be a good thing. The more irreconcilable the realities, the better. That’s a recipe for separation.

I’m a big fan of natiation. Meaning the separation of a polity into two separate nations. Coined by analogy with “speciation.” Not living the the other guy’s reality–your enemy’s reality!–is a key precondition of natiation.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
1 month ago

I believe that the vast majority of you are older than me, so I think it’s best to ask for some advice. what would you guys do if you lived in Urban NJ with a pregnant wife? We’ve got supplies and a place to go if shit gets real, but I’d like some specifics that I could be doing now.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Lawdog
1 month ago

I don’t think there is much you can do for the next month. I’m in northwest NJ and can still do outdoors stuff despite the parks being closed, but otherwise have to wait it out. Over the next 4 years we plan to sell our house and exit the state – even if that’s just jumping across the border to PA and making the commute longer.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Reply to  Lawdog
1 month ago

I would at least temporarily get away from the NYC metro area, merely because of the health concerns for your unborn child. Find a small-midsize city w/ good hospital/maternity/newborn care (just in case). Find some place with decent weather year round. Clean your closets, get rid of useless junk that will bog you down. Take good care of your family heirlooms. Keep your vehicle maintained. Don’t forget tools. Keep important papers organized, ready to grab at any time; use only an external disk drive that can be grabbed easily — be prepared to leave the computer & peripherals behind. Same… Read more »

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  Lawdog
1 month ago

You and family would welcome here in the deep South on one condition: the words “that’s not how we did it New Jersey” are never, ever spoken. Seriously.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Stranger in a strange land
1 month ago

If I moved down south I might find it hard to resist. Of course it would be followed by “thank goodness, glad to be here”.

Lawdog
Lawdog
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Reply to  Stranger in a strange land
1 month ago

Stranger,

The only exception I would have to this stipulation is pizza. Other than that, Blue NJ is a posturing, mid-wit cesspit.

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  Lawdog
1 month ago

Lawdog – We gots the NY/NJ style pizza here. I’d have a slice wit you.

Member
Reply to  Lawdog
1 month ago

I’m assuming “leave urban NJ” isn’t short-term practical advice. I spent my middle and high school years in NJ (more of a suburban to rural area, for the most part, but a little while up in Verona, which is more urban) and had to endure coming back to that hell hole for visits until my Mom passed away. First. Don’t panic. Remember that this is all largely managed hysteria. There are no carts full of bodies. There are no roving gangs of zombies or Mad Max style looters and I’d put a pretty sizable sum on the odds that nothing… Read more »

Lawdog
Lawdog
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Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

This is excellent advice. I thank all of you. Though I love my job, I am a teacher; therefore, it’s time to start teaching myself a trade.

Member
Reply to  Lawdog
1 month ago

Teacher isn’t universally useful in rough times the same way a trade is, but it’s pretty portable and teachers are always needed. A school in a nice, White suburban area by a mid-sized Midwest or Plains state city wouldn’t be a bad way to go. Rural areas have a very hard time attracting teachers sometimes, if rural life appeals to you, but I won’t deny that some people find it boring. If you are used to NJ levels of teacher compensation, the wages offered to you at some rural Kansas school may make you think, “I’d starve!” but the cost… Read more »

Lawdog
Lawdog
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Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

Yeah, I don’t EVER engage in emotional outbursts with my kids. Then again, I only do middle and HS. I like setting up debates, and that doesn’t work as well with younger kids.

Rural life sounds amazing right about now.

Member
Reply to  Lawdog
1 month ago

These were middle school incidents I was talking about. 🙂

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

Rural PA needs teachers (though PA is a tough nut to crack because of unions), and the people are (mostly) good people. Same with Rural Ohio & Indiana. All of West Virginia too. In PA, you *could* work in Harrisburg public schools (yeah… city schools) but live a very rural life not 30 minutes commute away.

Example;
https://www.pareap.net/job_postings/54642/PA01/PA01

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  Vizzini
1 month ago

I like this. Along the lines of planning, analysis. Not panic. A lot of great points here. I am in suburban New York, just Upstate enough that the downstaters are not in the majority. The ones I have to interact with are annoying as any fucking liberal. Illogical, childish, with law degrees, or whatever nomenklatura that collect our taxes. For a younger guy, expecting first child, I would say if you don’t have skills, learn them. NOW. From patching a roof, to basic electrical, plumbing and auto maintenance. You won’t want to NEED contractors in a more remote area to… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  HomerB
1 month ago

Homer – What a wonderful paean to true family life. Thank you, and bless you and yours.

Lawdog
Lawdog
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Reply to  HomerB
1 month ago

I’ll teach my kids about Christianity. Christ is a good example to follow regardless of your faith. I went to catholic school but am now agnostic.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Lawdog
1 month ago

@Lawdog, might I suggest spending some time reading GK Chesterton’s “The Everlasting Man”? It was one of the things that brought me back to Christianity after years of agnosticism. It’s worth reading just for the prose alone. Thus while most science moves in a sort of curve, being constantly corrected by new evidence, this science flies off into space in a straight line uncorrected by anything. But the habit of forming conclusions, as they can really be formed in more fruitful fields, is so fixed in the scientific mind that it cannot resist talking like this. It talks about the… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  HomerB
1 month ago

Bread, huh? Is that what they call it these days?

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  KGB
1 month ago

@KGB
You’re a naughty boy but made me laugh…

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  Lawdog
1 month ago

Lawdog…..this is counsel from a woman’s perspective. Drake, Nunnya and Stranger give good counsel. Use Nunnya’s counsel as a base and prepare as if prepping for an earthquake. I did. Find some links to EQ prepping. Mostly same strategy as civil unrest that also follows a large quake. Here are a few links to help: https://www.theorganicprepper.com https://www.theorganicprepper.com/prepping/ https://www.theorganicprepper.com/things-you-can-control/ You’re the guy. You can figure out how to prep and you naturally view life has function over form. Your wife relies on you for this. These are words from a woman who counts her time in geologic stratigraphy (the branch of… Read more »

greyenlightenment
1 month ago

it is not right vs. left but urban vs. rural

Mikep
Mikep
1 month ago

What’s the point of asking the people when you don’t really care what they think? If you don’t ask people what they think, how can you be sure that you’re doing the opposite of what they want?

Pete
Pete
1 month ago

“ They imagine the future being a cleaner, glass and steel version of Manhattan, where people are like corpuscles in the system. ”

I think the elite imagine that glass and steel paradise for themselves (when not occupying expansive ranch or island estates) and their trusted flying monkeys.

For the rest of us they imagine vast adjacent encampments comprised of shacks with delightful, visually interesting mixtures of old corrugated steel and plastic tarp roof lines with narrow pathways winding throughout, allowing the completely multi-racial inhabitants to move about when not Netflixing and chilling.