Welcome To America

Every once in a while, one of the major polling outfits will ask Americans about their views on freedom and liberty. Most Americans think they live in the freest country on earth and they are pretty happy about it. By freedom, people assume it means being able to go about your business as you see fit, holding whatever opinions you like and saying what you like, within the bounds of decency and common courtesy. Most of all, it means the government is not going to harass or torment you.

There was a time when that was true. If you are over the age of forty, you remember when people were free from coercion, regarding civil rights. People in this country were free to live their lives and speak their minds. For people of a certain age, it feels like it was not that long ago when even the most intolerant people would say “I may not agree with your opinions, but I’d fight to the death for your right to say them.” No one says that anymore, as no one believes, especially no one with power.

In current year America, we ban books. The government does not ban books, but private companies refuse to sell them, so the effect is the same. Of course, almost all books are sold by one company now, a company that laughs at the laws and the political institutions that write those laws. If the people at Amazon decide your book is not to their liking, they will stop selling it. Greg Johnson has been reduced to mailing people copies of his books because Amazon disapproves of him.

Now, the so-called conservatives will claim that major corporations like Amazon just avoid controversy. It’s not about politics but simply trying to avoid getting tangled up in controversial topics. Yet, Amazon is happy to sell books on bizarre sexual predilections and the promotion of self-harm. That sort of material is not a problem, because it is not a problem with the ruling class. Greg Johnson’s politics are a problem for the people in charge, so he is banned from selling books on-line.

Of course, people with unapproved opinions could sell their own books and magazines on-line, but the banks and payment processors refuse to do business with them. It’s not just a few banks and payment processors that refused to do business with people holding unapproved opinions. It’s all of them. Sites like Counter-Currents, VDare and American Renaissance have searched far and wide for a payment processor, but no one will take their business. The banks behind the processors have decreed it.

It is not just a few isolated troublemakers getting the business from corporations. Normal people curious about opinions outside the protected zone have real fear of being harassed, just for the crime of associating with these people. The media, the people who used to proudly say they speak truth to power, are always on the lookout for someone they can destroy, for the crime of associating with people deemed unacceptable. Major media outlets now see themselves as the keeper of orthodoxy.

In fairness, most Americans would dismiss that as the sort of first-world troubles that don’t affect most people. Maybe that’s true, but America is now a country that holds political prisoners. That is, there are people in jail primarily for the crime of holding unapproved opinions. It’s not just political types who lost the game of insider game playing in Washington. Normal everyday Americans are getting jail time for the crime of holding opinions that the ruling class finds unacceptable.

Maxwell Hare and John Kinsman were given four years in a New York penitentiary for the crime of being associated with Gavin McInnes. They were jumped by left-wing street thugs and won the fight. They were arrested, but there was never any effort to find the men who attacked them. There was no effort to find witnesses either. Instead, the police and court relied on material provided to them by Antifa. When he sentenced them, the judge made clear he was doing it for their politics.

That is not an isolated example. Over the last decade this sort of thing has become so common that it is just an accepted part of daily reality. If you belong to a group holding unapproved ideas, you have to go to great lengths to meet in secret in order to avoid being attacked by state sanctioned mobs. If that happens, there is a good chance the police will charge you rather than the mob. The thing political dissidents in current year America fear is that the government will become aware of them.

There used to be a time when Americans associated this sort of thing with totalitarian states or South American dictatorships. The communists would never allow people to hold unapproved opinions. They smashed up illegal printing presses and banished dissident writers. Third world dictators sanctioned mobs to go around harassing people they saw as a problem. The communists are all gone and there are no more South American strong men. America is no longer a free country either.

This reality should be evident to everyone now. Government has spent the better part of the last two months closing shops and forcing people to stay indoors. They are creating bizarre and ridiculous rules for when people must go outside. Cops are pushing people around, harassing mothers at parks and otherwise carrying on like highly feminized goon squads. It’s hard to claim you live in a free country when you need permission from the government go outside to take a walk.

The remarkable thing about this is none of the things described above would have seemed plausible a generation ago. Conservatives liked to claim Bill Clinton was an autocrat, but no one seriously imagined he would so something like this. Left-wingers really thought Bush was Hitler, but even they did not think this was possible. In what feels like the blink of an eye, things we used to think were outside the realm of possibility are now normal. We have slipped into the darkness.

If you are of a certain age, the new normal is particularly tough to fathom. You spent much of your early life being told that the long struggle against communism was all about preventing exactly this. The whole point of America, its reason to exist, was to prevent exactly this from happening. Maybe it was always a big lie. Maybe it is the result of forces too complex for anyone to fathom. It really does not matter. The result is what matters. America is no longer a free country.


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Screwtape
Screwtape
4 years ago

“First world problem” used to be a cutesy little shorthand to remind us that we should be grateful for the comforts our culture has carved out of the landscape. Now I sense that the phrase is just one more NLP mantra to divorce us from the idea that our culture has unique attributes that produced the very thing we call “first world” – and to instill a sense of shame where pride once resided. How dare you cling to your first amendment when people are facing virus death! How selfish. The idea that the multitude of things that separate us… Read more »

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Screwtape
4 years ago

Wear the mask; live in the pod; believe the media; eat the bugs; watch the entertainment; respect the cops; trust “our” government… Get in the boxcar.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Screwtape
4 years ago

Penetrating observation. I would add that, when I hear somebody use that phrase, I get the sense the user is trying to guilt YT. Hence, “The saintly indigenes of the developing world are oppressed and starving, while whites, who caused all their problems, are complaining because they can’t get a haircut.”

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Screwtape
4 years ago

How dare you.
Tide Pods are a gateway detergent!

The Babe
The Babe
4 years ago

I think that if we just write some well-reasoned articles about the virtues of classical liberalism, that will bring them around.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  The Babe
4 years ago

And toss in some libertarian arguments as dressing. That’ll do it.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  SamlAdams
4 years ago

I was thinking more along the lines of concentration camps. But we’ll try your way first.

BTP
Member
Reply to  The Babe
4 years ago

If someone pointed out the irony of it all, they would become ashamed of the double standard.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  The Babe
4 years ago

My brother thinks that record low black unemployment and corona government checks will yield a mass of blacks voting for Trump. Poor guy is going to get hit with the baseball bat of reality.

Flight from White
Flight from White
Reply to  LineInTheSand
4 years ago

It’s disgusting and infuriating how whitey has been trained to seek his desires through the well-being of other groups. Like how the right can only validate its political process through blacks and Hispanics, as if these people even matter. Nothing is legitimate unless Candace Owens green lights something. Reminds me of white guy friends I had growing up – and still today – who’d immerse themselves in another culture to find meaning and purpose, like Japanese culture. Nothing wrong with Japan, but I had white friends growing up who would get REALLY into Japan: they’d travel the country, learn the… Read more »

luke2236
luke2236
Reply to  Flight from White
4 years ago

Obviously, (((tyhey))) want white culture out of the way because white culture is the ONLY culture that has ever stood in the way of world government, and the only culture that even has the concept of individualism or liberty.. (((they))) figure that we have invented nearly everything that will ever be invented, so they need rid of us in order to set up their talmudic world governmnet. The ‘darker races ‘ inclusing and actually especially the chinese, have no concept of ‘Western’ or Christian culture and act [willingly] as disposable worker bees. The other answer – and the root one… Read more »

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  LineInTheSand
4 years ago

Can he say it with a straight face? I just tried to say it out loud – couldn’t do it.

T. Morris
T. Morris
Reply to  LineInTheSand
4 years ago

It is truly amazing that siblings of opposite views of reality can come from the same loins. Tell your brother that he can be assured that as soon as 9% of blacks vote for Trump, we are in Hell and it has just frozen over. Then watch his reaction as the returns trickle in. Ha, ha.

Severian
4 years ago

I can’t help but conclude that the ancients had it right: tyranny is man’s default state, and the jungle will always reclaim the clearing. For the vat majority of us, our “freedom” was just a social habit inherited from our ancestors, no different than drinking coffee instead of tea. For every person i know who is upset by the lockdown, I know ten who passively accept it, and twenty who get some kind of quasi-sexual thrill from scolding and ratting out their fellow citizens. Wasn’t it Aristotle who said men are naturally slaves? He was right about women, too.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Severian
4 years ago

“Man’s default state” overlooks the significant difference between races. A general “human nature” is actually quite minimal. The human natures of various races are quite real and different. Don’t generalize from Africans to Danes, for example

Severian
Reply to  LineInTheSand
4 years ago

Ok, but look: anyone who says “don’t generalize from Africans to Danes” assumes the latter are better than the former. Which would be fine, if the latter weren’t embracing their slavery with all their hearts and souls. I’m around Diversity a lot – they’re mostly bemused by the lockdown, since getting ordered around by \ depending on Government is their daily life. It’s Whitey who can’t wait to hear some new regulation to obey, the more ridiculous the better. If we’re at the top of the ladder, then it’s turtles all the way down — slavery is man’s default state.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Severian
4 years ago

Sure, the Danes embraced slavery, but what about the Africans? You’re a history professor, which race ended slavery?

Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
4 years ago

The “Brown, [John]” race,

Severian
Reply to  Libertymike
4 years ago

We seem to be talking past each other. Which race is embracing its own slavery **right now**? Hint: It’s the race to which the words “Karen” and “Cuck” apply.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Severian
4 years ago

Yes, we are, in the main, embracing our own enslavement. However, there remains a significant chunk of us–1/3?–who never will. I’m not sure you can say that of any other race.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
4 years ago

(((forces too complex for anyone to fathom))), Fixed That For Ya. I know it is easy to find j00s in the sandwiches (h/t Goad) but when I say that I don’t just imply tribals. I imply all the far left infiltrators that have been leaking this poison in slowly for six decades now. We are simply seeing the culmination of them, smartly, playing the very long game. “The long march through the institutions” indeed… And furthermore, you would have to be completely obtuse to not notice the outsized tribal influence in all these ‘movements’ and the degeneracy that swims parallel… Read more »

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Apex Predator
4 years ago

Goad is an idiot ranting at the sky. His Taki article today is archetypal Goad: Create a great big strawman then bitch about it for an entire column without ever saying anything useful.

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  Vizzini
4 years ago

Ref Goad: 5 -10 minutes wasted I’ll never get back, although it was a reminder of why I never vist that old horn dog’s web site.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Supposedly subscribing gives you access to the comment section.

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Taki comment section back in the day was the best. This place next best thing.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

They shut it down a year or two ago because the antisemites were dominating. Too gauche or something.

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  Vizzini
4 years ago

I’d be embarrassed to comment and have people know i was actually a subscriber. Ditto NRO. I’m getting really sick of these intectual cowards. I have fantasy about going on a NR cruise, getting riproaring drunk, and laying into thier, invariably, fleshy faces. I bet my fist would sink in a good couple of inches prior to meeting significant cartilagius or boney resistance.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Left Taki’s for dead once Queen Mandolyna took a guillotine to the commentariat. Haven’t been back since and never will.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

Hoo boy, did she ever ruin that magazine. My first commenting grounds…

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  Lawdog
4 years ago

Ditto

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
4 years ago

Back in the day, you’d hear “it’s a free country” as shorthand for “do what you want.”

I’ve noticed people don’t say that anymore.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

I couldn’t possibly use that phrase without guffawing uproariously.

Sperg Adjacent
Sperg Adjacent
4 years ago

LOL, the Zman didn’t even use England’s new crime of “having factually accurate books that contradict the Official Lies on your bookshelf.”

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/michael-gove-and-sarah-vine-criticised-on-twitter-for-having-holocaust-denier-david-irvings-s-book-1-6636307

Thought Crimes multiplying too fast to keep up.

boboddy
boboddy
Reply to  Sperg Adjacent
4 years ago

That’s not a crime, all you are doing is referring to a twitter thread.

In the US the Proud Boys went to prison, in the UK some idiots on twitter wrote something critical about michael gove and sarah vine.

People type anti-white remarks on twitter all the time in the US, you want zman to write articles every time that happens?

Whitney
Member
4 years ago

I got my teeth clean this morning. I already had the appointment on the books and they opened up this morning so I went because this is all bs anyway. They took my temperature. I asked the girl what it was and she said 73. When I expressed dismay she said oh mine was 73 too but at least it’s not high. This is such a pathetic theater routine we’re all playing but the worst part is it is Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Good luck finding anyone in real life who thinks the way you do. I’m pretty sure… Read more »

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Whitney
4 years ago

Good luck with that hypothermia!

Whitney
Member
Reply to  Drake
4 years ago

I know right!

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  Whitney
4 years ago

As Drake said, might want to have her get that thermometer checked. 73 Fahrenheit is room temperature AKA deceased. 🙂

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Apex Predator
4 years ago

One more covid death that could have been prevented if we had shut down that dental office. Worse, not only is Whitney now a covid death. She is also still being allowed to walk around and spread the virus.

Hoagie
Hoagie
Reply to  Screwtape
4 years ago

The good news is that all the Red Chink Flu victims will be back in November to vote Democrat.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Screwtape
4 years ago

And she’s now a registered Democrat.

Whitney
Member
Reply to  Screwtape
4 years ago

I like the idea of being a covid zombie. I’m not going to eat brains I’m just going to walk around and cough on people

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  Whitney
4 years ago

The horror.

ROBERT SYKES
Reply to  Stranger in a strange land
4 years ago

Two literary references in 7 words. I grok.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Apex Predator
4 years ago

Or if in centigrade, he’s become one of the “I Am Legend” zombies…

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Apex Predator
4 years ago

Exactly. I have an 18 mo old at home. So I’ve gotten pretty familiar with taking a temperature. We have the old fashioned stick it in yer’ butt thermometer – and we bought one of those point it at him types too. So MULTIPLE times – when he got sent home from daycare for “running a temperature” we’d pull out both of the thermometers and test him – and *sometimes* the rectal would actually show an elevated temp – but there wasn’t one single instance when I could get anything approaching a fever level temp out of the external thermometer.… Read more »

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  Whitney
4 years ago

“I’m pretty sure I ended the relationship with my aunt and uncle last night because I insisted he stop sending me hysterical diatribes…” My choice has been a bit different, in terms of deployment. Instead of triggering the people in my sphere that were sending me lame-brained texts and emails, I blocked them without a word. Ghosted them, using the modern parlance. On my Android slave phone I have a feature that allows me to “Block” a number, no calls nor texts. This feature may not be useful against phone # spoofing scammers, but it is effective for those with… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
4 years ago

And it will become less free. As the old ideas die with the people who remembered and cherished them, there will simply be very few people left who even think in terms of freedom. “Fairness,” “equality” and “anti-racism” will be the driving goals of our increasingly non-white politicians, not freedom. Indeed, to them, your freedom is a hindrance to their goals. “Freedom to allow you to continue being racist!” “Freedom to allow you to continue your American apartheid!” “Freedom to allow you to continue enjoying your white privilege!” The Enlightenment ideals were always a hothouse flower, only able to grow… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
4 years ago

America is no longer American, by appearances. The narrative will break when enough people realize this. Things are getting worse in the short term, but that’s only because we’re living through the end of something. Tptb are trying to hold on. It’s darkest before the dawn.

And I’ll say my great disappointment with Trump is that he’s turned out to be weak. He’s presiding over this. Never expected him to be perfect, but he keeps rolling over.

Idk maybe he’s in on breaking the narrative, but I figure that’s above a president’s pay grade.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

“America is no longer American.”

Exactly. Biology>Culture>Political Ideals. Change the biology and, eventually, you change the political ideals. Freedom was and is a white WASP guy thing.

Other groups just aren’t big fans of it. And, you know what, it probably doesn’t work for them, which is why they don’t use adopt it. That’s why you have different nation-states.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
4 years ago

America is still here, though. The owners. Old money with land holdings, ‘heritage’ Americans. Big and small people. We’re America, and the rest operates with our consent only. There are greater powers than money and politics. Even kings are kings of a nation. The nation is the source.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

The one bright spot is that our erstwhile overlords are soft people. Reliant on others to do their dirty work. But they do possess tools that the Stasi or NKVD could only have dreamed of.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  SamlAdams
4 years ago

Our enemies have 115 IQ heads and 85 IQ hands

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

“You got city hands, Mr. Hooper”

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  SamlAdams
4 years ago

…and (if I catch your drift) we’re gonna’ need a bigger boat

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
4 years ago

Biology>Culture>Political Ideals

One of the most important, and unapproved, realizations.

Anti-Gnostic
Anti-Gnostic
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
4 years ago

Political Ideals > Culture > Biology

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic
4 years ago

A culture is nothing more than a sentient biological collective over a period of generations. Without biology there is no culture, and therefore without biology there are no political ideals. Biology wins, every time.

TomA
TomA
4 years ago

Cancer typically progresses very slowly in the beginning and very quickly near the end. And the pace of change can be an effective barometer for when you enter the terminal end-stage of the disease. Mom & Pop retail stores are shutting down permanently now and soon there will be tons of vacant commercial real estate. Ghosttown commercial districts are coming to a city near you very soon. The reality freight train is bringing on a load of real hardship. Time to practice your aim and renew those calluses. What else is there to do with your government enforced leisure time?

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  TomA
4 years ago

Harden your heart and your body. Maybe we get out of this, but the likelihood of “Grahams Rules” going into effect is higher than ever.

Basic Bill
Basic Bill
Reply to  SamlAdams
4 years ago

What is Graham’s Rule?

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Basic Bill
4 years ago

Full version–1. NOBODY IS COMING TO SAVE YOU. Whether an event lasts a few seconds, a few hours, or even a few days – you have to work as though nobody is coming to save you. 2. You are your savior, so start working because EVERYTHING IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. You are your security, you are your medic, you are your rescuer. 3. You are your own best resource to SAVE WHO NEEDS TO BE SAVED. Nobody wants to save your life more than you, so set yourself up for success by having the simple tools and knowledge to do so:… Read more »

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  TomA
4 years ago

And giant corporations that were able to weather out the lockdowns through deep pockets and bought politicians will swoop in and buy everything….

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  TomA
4 years ago

“Cancer typically progresses very slowly in the beginning and very quickly near the end.”

So does bankruptcy.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  TomA
4 years ago

The day before the lockdowns I wrote a pamphlet saying the same thing that you’re saying here. When I handed it out, people either listened sympathetically and vowed to do absolutely nothing or said I was irresponsible and a danger to public health.

I just wish something could’ve happen sooner. All those business; all those dreams…

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
4 years ago

Now that the our rulers have committed themselves to this path they need to drag it out for as long as they can. The shut down has created more dissents of many stripes but as this drags out it will also make more and more people dependent upon the government. Few had much faith in the USSR but they had no other options. The more this drags out the more people will distrust government but in contrast the more dependent they will be forced to become on government. That forced dependence will after time become more and more routine until… Read more »

UFO
UFO
Reply to  Yves Vannes
4 years ago

Soviet Union kept chugging along because Russians are fairly smart. Right now they have some success censoring because there’s enough whites and Jews still around to keep things running. Our future is far worse than that. On the bright side, in the future the state will lack the competence to oppress us as much. LAPD has already been infiltrated by the cartels. Old competent boomers are still running many critical companies and systems. This will change and we go to Brazil, or worse, Venezuela, or India mixed with africa. Juan up the street is a nice guy, but when everyone… Read more »

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  UFO
4 years ago

I see one little beacon of hope in all of this…Being away from the mind and spirit numbing demands of the hamster wheel, many people are taking measure. How that works itself out is yet to be seen.

btw, yes apply for the CERB, again and again and again…

T. Morris
T. Morris
4 years ago

There was a documentary made, back in the mid-’80s as I recall, of the state-run “child care” system in the old USSR. The documentary was filmed at what was billed as a typical facility where the children were all penned up in a semi-circle shaped play pen reminiscent of a panopticon. Except that in the place of the “observation tower” were the nurses’ stations where the children were never more than arm’s length away from one of the several nurses watching over and caring for them. I remember watching that documentary (I’ve looked for it on YouTube but have never… Read more »

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  T. Morris
4 years ago

Worked with many people over the years that grew up in the old Soviet system–equality for women meant they had to bust their asses in the same drudgery as men, just to get enough to live on. But we used to joke about all the “Young Pioneers” crap they had to go through. All but a few true believers knew it was bullshit, but if you didn’t perform all the rituals you’d get identified for “special treatment”.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  T. Morris
4 years ago

My lady runs a pre-school company. One of the biggest complaints she gets when new parents are enrolling their possessions is the 10-hour rule. Which means no child can be left in their care for more than 10 hours per day. The problem isn’t the double-income parents working long days, though that is part of it. The problem is the parents want to leave their kids at “school” while they go to the gym or hair parlor or grocery store after work. Luckily most gyms have daycare. So the actual problem is the extra logistics of transporting the kids to… Read more »

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Screwtape
4 years ago

And to the contemporary female, gym does not mean “work out”, it means “stand around looking cute in $200 tight pants.”

Frip
Member
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

There really needs to be a rule about saying things that sound good but aren’t the least bit true. Now if you wanna talk about middle-age women who read a book on the recline-cycle while moving their legs in slow motion, then you’d be closer to reality.

Drake
Drake
4 years ago

When I was young, people used to say “It’s a Free Country” quite often – usually in response to a dumb idea.
My grandparents would probably have said the same thing to people who think hiding in their houses for months is the right response to the flu. They wouldn’t be able to wrap their heads around a Governor telling them they have to do it – even if it bankrupts them. Both of my grandfathers had shotguns above their mantles to deal with those kinds of idiots.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Drake
4 years ago

I agree with the sentiment but nobodys pappy used those shotguns on anything but rabbits. Just as nobody in my hardcore genx cohort is going to use muh AR15 on anything but steel plates and paper silhouettes. But at least there were men in the before times who used plainspeak to make their views known. All this cower inside stuff is just the embodiment of decades of holding our tongues. Even my most redpilled buddies will tapdance around the coul d’ sac to avoid putting their wives in an awkward social channel with the other strong independent women on the… Read more »

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Screwtape
4 years ago

You beat me to it. I don’t really mind the open cowards, but the ‘muh 2nd’ people just irritate me. They are never going to use the guns, so what good are they? The gov can mandate every 3rd child killed as long as they have their guns, they will excuse it and continue to threaten ‘should tyranny ever arrive’

Obake158
Obake158
Reply to  tarstarkas
4 years ago

If they file off the front sight they can at least use the barrel as a dildo.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Screwtape
4 years ago

Family story. My grandpa used to trap muskrats. Figured out someone was robbing his trap, so he took his rifle and set up nearby in the woods. Guy comes along and picks up the trap. Grandpa puts a bullet in the animal in the trap. Guy slowly puts the trap down and walks away. No more theft!

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

Way impressive indeed! Now a training goal for me. For my true family training story, one of my fun methods is to set up small plastic animals (lions-tigers-dinosaurs-bears) and blast them rapidly, both shotgun, 38 and 357, competing against myself. They’re hard plastic, hardly dent and I do it over and over. When I’ve had enough, time to sit on the tailgate with the trusty 22 and plink at plastic critters hidden in sage brush.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Range Front Fault
4 years ago

Point being my grandpa used his for more than hunting. And it’s safe to talk about something that happened 80 years ago on the internet. My (hypothetical) grandkids will have stories too.

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

I tried trapping when i was a kid. Tragicomedy. I caught a great horned owl, two crows and the neighbors dog. The dog and owl were fine but the crows were not. Who knew that crows and owls are natural enemies?

T. Morris
T. Morris
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

Some few years ago the ‘house next door’ was being robbed and vandalized on a semi-nightly basis. I was mostly oblivious to the problem until the neighbor (who had just recently purchased the house and had been working on it) confronted me, face-to-face, questioning whether *I* was the burglar. Well, strike that, his wife confronted me face-to-face, not him. But anyway,… Once I got the full story as to what had been going on ‘under my nose,’ I told the woman, in no uncertain terms, that I would take care of it. So, I posted myself, the next few nights,… Read more »

JohnB
JohnB
Reply to  T. Morris
4 years ago

Skeleton dead is even better.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  T. Morris
4 years ago

She confronts you and the break-ins stop. Coincidence? NO? She probably thinks her confronting you put a stop to it to this day.

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  Screwtape
4 years ago

“is going to use muh AR15 on anything…” Ok, try this thought experiment. Those bad men went to the Capitol in the Michigan Reich, armed. Were they: 1. Set upon by Antifa. 2. Set upon by the local version of the NYPD goons, one that literally sat on your head as it was pinned, face down on concrete. 3. None of the above. Bing-bing-bing. If you answered ‘3’, you are a winner. Not to mention those “cowering in fear”, boo-hoo. Now let’s try another thought experiment. Those bad men that went to the Capitol in the Michigan Reich, armed, were… Read more »

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  HomerB
4 years ago

Homer, dont be so triggered. Your straw story is poorly constructed but thats here nor there. You are, however, supporting my point. You think I am ‘denigrating the 2nd amendment’ when I am in fact indicting those who use the moral self-licensing of larping about their guns to stand idly by when using their words and personal choices and tradeoffs regularly available to them are too hard. Meh. The real denigration is tilting at windmills with muh guns when sons and daughters are whores and soyboys and status is more important than risking social capital to hold up what is… Read more »

Anti-Gnostic
Anti-Gnostic
Reply to  Screwtape
4 years ago

So basically the hordes have crashed the gates and you’re waiting for someone else to start the hostilities before you jump into the fray. In the meantime, you’re playing Rambo in your backyard…as the whole neighborhood gets eaten alive.

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic
4 years ago

I do not know whom this comment is aimed at. It is hysterical and off the mark, no matter the target.

Ownership of a nice shotgun serves legitimate personal purposes. To list just a couple, home defense is one. Another is that the suitors of ones daughters know there is a father with said shotgun, best to be honorable and polite.

None of this has anything to do with “hordes”.

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  Screwtape
4 years ago

“is tilting at windmills with muh guns when sons and daughters are whores and soyboys” It has nothing to do with “AR” anything and the same points hold true if one carried a vintage, double-barreled shotgun. Cowards are not going to rush you. There is no correlation between gun ownership and what you have described. In my personal experience, the effect is quite the opposite. Speaking of opposites, my snark seems to have you all hot and bothered. Or to use the term, “triggered”. That is regrettable, as even among reasonable people, high emotions tend to lead to less than… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Screwtape
4 years ago

They only nibbled around the 2A so they could outright murder all the other A’s the 2A was meant to protect.

Obake158
Obake158
Reply to  Screwtape
4 years ago

Your sentiment is spot on. One glimmer of hope is that we have progressed as a people from passive aggressive somnambulation. To aggressive passive aggressiveness. At least we can’t see the scowls with all these maskfags mumbling under their breath at us for not complying with today’s arbitrary communist dictate.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Drake
4 years ago

One had a shotgun, the other a Walther he picked up during the war–handier as he often had to go out to the warehouse he ran in the middle of the night to deal with the alarm going off.

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  SamlAdams
4 years ago

What the heck. Why is everybody talking about what thier grandpappy had. Don’t we have any contemporary gun nuts here?

Maus
Maus
Reply to  SidVic
4 years ago

I have my dad’s Walther PP, confiscated from a German POW in WW2. Today’s aficionados would say .32 ACP is too underpowered. But if you train vigorously to put the round in an eye socket at 7 yards, it’ll get the job done.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  SidVic
4 years ago

I have a rule about that.

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  SamlAdams
4 years ago

Yeah it’s like the old meme. “I have 3 guns and the goverment confiscates 2 of them. How many guns do i now have.”… “11, because I lied about how many gun i own.”

One of Many Georges
One of Many Georges
4 years ago

[Fedpost redacted]

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  One of Many Georges
4 years ago

Yeah, I forgot to say good morning to whomever our Federal “minder” is here.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
4 years ago

It really did happen fast. Someone had a phrase, “there are decades where hardly a week happens. And there are weeks where decades happen.” He was talking about Covid-19 but it could apply to a lot of things. From 2000 to 2010 and then again from 2010 to today, leftist lunacy really accelerated.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
4 years ago

Steve Bannon–but he acknowledges the line likely originated with V.I. Lenin.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  SamlAdams
4 years ago

We could learn a lot from Lenin about fomenting revolution, even if we disagree with his ideology, which I do.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  LineInTheSand
4 years ago

No shame in learning from the enemy

KGB
KGB
Reply to  LineInTheSand
4 years ago

The way Mao got the people on his side is also a valuable lesson in the seizing of power. I don’t want anything to do with cults of personality, but that came later. At first it was all about convincing the people that the Reds had a better method of improving people’s lives and it was quite effective.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
4 years ago

Lenin and Trotsky.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  SamlAdams
4 years ago

Okay, I didn’t know, thanks

sirlancelot
sirlancelot
4 years ago

With an old friend recently and tried to point out exactly your message of lost freedoms. He got angry claiming all my information was bogus. Tried citing verifiable sources and just got the ” talk to the hand “. It’s as if he knows deep down inside something’s wrong yet can’t come to grips with it because it’s too painful. We still friends so there’s hope yet 🙂 Men want to be free. That is America’s heritage. We know what demographic makes things happen. There are forces in play to keep those good men down. May we find the strength… Read more »

Drake
Drake
Reply to  sirlancelot
4 years ago

Information and statistics have nothing to do with freedom. Either you are free or you aren’t. You aren’t. Your friend doesn’t even miss it.

Mark Stoval
Mark Stoval
4 years ago

“If you are of a certain age, the new normal is particularly tough to fathom. You spent much of your early life being told that the long struggle against communism was all about preventing exactly this.” I was told that yes, but I never believed that. I know this will sound nuts, but I really expected this sorry totalitarian mess since the early 70’s. I never thought the strategy of market anarchists trying to convince people one at a time that the State was your biggest enemy would really work. It did not. Hell, it is an impossible sale here… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  bilejones
4 years ago

And just to drive home the point, if they trace a comment like yours, there’s the red flag laws. ‘First amendment??’, that’s funny. ‘Police state’ is no exaggeration in the ‘free world’.

3g4m
3g4m
Reply to  bilejones
4 years ago

Only if their fear is realized. That would be the good news.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  3g4m
4 years ago

Aye. TPTB have counted on not just their foot soldiers in law enforcement but also the well-trained products of public schools to enforce these lock downs via shaming techniques. We may have a hard time getting to the elites in their ivory towers, but we can box the ears of the snitches so that the elites realize one avenue of tyranny has been closed off to them.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  bilejones
4 years ago

Good. I’m seeing a lot of “eff them”s from the real Americans.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
4 years ago

Torba from Gab was optimistic for Bitcoin as a payment processor that would reach critical mass any time now. It seems that’s the tech nerd’s version of ‘two more weeks’. A lot of dissidents are coming to the realization it would probably never happen and cryptocurrency is only useful funding small operations far outside the overton window.. Went to VDare’s site and noticed they allow credit cards, but no such luck from Amren. Money is power, which is why the first goal of any dissident political operation is to either make your enemy waste away away so much cash and… Read more »

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Chet Rollins
4 years ago

Cryptocurrency is the ultimate tracking device for feds. Every transaction is committed to the ledger. Anonymity is pretty much impossible with (basic) cryptocurrency. And yeah, there are ways to protect transactions, sort of, but *can* be traced and require technical sophistication. Cash and gold do not (though serial numbers on cash are still a problem, though most places don’t record cash serial numbers, yet).

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
4 years ago

Guys, CNN just said that daily COVID fatalities will “soar” (God, I’m starting to hate that word) to 3,000 in June.

Why do I believe that they plan on running this Fail Mary until forever? I know that’s completely insane, but some of them really do want to string out the lockdowns interminably.

Maus
Maus
Reply to  Lawdog
4 years ago

It may be cruel, but I’ve reached the point where I want to throw Stalin back in their pozzed faces: “A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.” No one that I know, let alone love and cherish, has died from Wuflu. All the continued hysteria will do is amp up the compassion fatigue. I not only don’t care about these deaths; but I want demographics. Who, of what sort, are the dying? My suspicion is that no such information will be forthcoming, lest it confirm evil, racist HBD science.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Maus
4 years ago

Yeah, nobody is even touching the COVID data for fear of subdividing it. It’s taking a lot of sweat to properly cook those books.

3g4m
3g4m
Reply to  Maus
4 years ago

Maus – the few statistics released from overseas already confirm ‘evil, racist HBD science.” In the UK, the Hindus have been harder hit than the Paki Muslims. Some 45% of their medical ‘victims’ of covid have been non-White where only about 15% of the health workers are (these figures are drawn from memory and may be inaccurate, but the gist is the same). In Sweden, some 60% of the covid patients in March were Somali immigrants. One can see how many of the ‘sainted victims’ in the US are black, hispanic, and/or obese. Amazing what a little noticing can do.

Mark Stoval
Mark Stoval
Reply to  Lawdog
4 years ago

3000 eh? That is a coincidence. CDC Just Subtracted 30,000 from the Official Covid-19 Death Count according to Thomas DiLorenzo Then Bill Sardi did a post on the missing 30,000. Most interesting. “(For those of you who haven’t been paying any attention at all to the avalanche of death count numbers that has completely dominated all of the tv, radio, print, and internet news for two months now, they were all reporting deaths at over 67,000 until Sunday evening. That number is still all over the Web. Look it up. The number given in the link to the CDC above… Read more »

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Mark Stoval
4 years ago

Dear God, it’s such a shite show. I just see it going on and on and on and on…

Frip
Member
Reply to  Lawdog
4 years ago

Or it may end in a few weeks.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Frip
4 years ago

Probably not for us Jersey folks. Murphy is up to June 15th. I do hope you’re right.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Mark Stoval
4 years ago

Interesting link. It confirms what I’ve been suspecting all along. Guaranteed the first public event we have after this is the pride parade.

ROBERT SYKES
Reply to  Mark Stoval
4 years ago

Sardi is confused. The 67,000 number included people who also tested for influenza and/or pneumonia. The CDC, in the same table, gives the number of dead from only COVID as 37,000.

The daily number of deaths is going down, which means the pandemic is ending. Their will be no resurgence in June because the number of susceptibles is falling.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  ROBERT SYKES
4 years ago

“There will be no resurgence.”

Good luck with that.

Mark Stoval
Mark Stoval
Reply to  ROBERT SYKES
4 years ago

You did not read the article or you have trouble with comprehension on this one. The 37,000 is COVID weekly totals. But if you add up daily numbers you get the 67,000. The daily totals should add to the same as the weekly totals. Get that? BUT IT DOES NOT. That led to many people have a cow.

You don’t seem to appreciate what is being written about.

3g4m
3g4m
Reply to  Lawdog
4 years ago

Lawdog – Because your sneaking suspicion is spot on. They are already talking of it going through June in certain states, and are already warning of its return in November. It’s why the phrase “the new normal” sets your teeth on edge, because this cringey, whiny, anarcho-tyranny police state is here to stay.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  3g4m
4 years ago

Those are the new talking points-

“second wave”
“multiple waves”
“resurgence”
“not affected by sunlight”
“stacks of bodies”
“millions dead”
“just wait, you’ll see!

bilejones
Member
4 years ago

It took just 6 weeks for the Land of the Free, home of the Brave to turn into a country of people cowering in the land of the Flee!, home of The Plague!. I would not have thought it.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
4 years ago

If we ever figure out a way to go around the censors and do it effectively, a nice comfy jail cell will be waiting.

Cantwell thought he found a way around the censorship and the weaponization of financial institutions. Now he is sitting in a prison cell without bail and refused mail access even as convicted murderers are released because of Coronavirus!

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  tarstarkas
4 years ago

You mean “Doxer of Ricky Vaughn and close Hunter Wallace associate Christopher Cantwell?”

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  MemeWarVet
4 years ago

I disavow. Nonetheless, that doesn’t make what happened to him just. The guy makes our job harder simply existing and acting like a freak. That doesn’t mean he should be sitting in jail while murderers get released.
He is a political prisoner.

BTP
Member
4 years ago

[The tyrant] threatens not only the bodies of his subjects but also their spiritual welfare, since those who seek to use rather than to be of use to their subjects oppose any progress by their subjects since they suspect that any excellence among their subjects is a threat to their unjust rule. Tyrants always suspect the good rather than the evil and are always afraid of virtue. They seek to prevent their subjects from becoming virtuous and developing a public spiritedness which would not tolerate their unjust domination. ~Thomas Aquinas Tyrants seek to atomize their subjects because a strong community… Read more »

Maus
Maus
Reply to  BTP
4 years ago

BTP +100 for citing the perennial wisdom of the Angelic Doctor. As insightful today as in the 13th century; and a reminder that we’ve always grappled occasionally with the ill effects of tyranny.

King Tut
King Tut
4 years ago

It may be a hard pill to swallow, but maybe our failure can be explained by the fact that we just don’t possess the required level of human capital on the political right.

Most members of the enemy ranks are balloon-heads but their leadership is clever, cunning, ruthless and professional.

It stands to reason really; if you’re ambitious and want high status and a good life, which side would you join?

Maren
Maren
Reply to  King Tut
4 years ago

Very low on character capital though.

Member
4 years ago

I’ve been enjoying trolling normiecons with this one lately…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XtI8p-cVRvA

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Pickle Rick
4 years ago

Oof.

There’s too much cognitive dissonance for even normie-cons to pretend the nation he wrote that song for still exists.

Hoagie
Hoagie
Reply to  Chet Rollins
4 years ago

Sadly, it did exist but we couldn’t keep it.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Hoagie
4 years ago

“We” changed.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
4 years ago

But (((they))) never did.

Official Bologna Tester
Official Bologna Tester
Reply to  Epaminondas
4 years ago

Epaminondas said: ” But (((they))) never did.” Seriously man, blaming other people is pure crap. WE ALL, in our own way tossed our liberty in the trash. Who among us would have risked their lives to insure the liberty of their neighbors? Who will do it now? Sins of omission and commission. Years of eather doing nothing to stop the rot or contributing to it. What kind of people just stand by and let the buccaneer Capitalists and Pseudo-Communists take over their whole damned country? Are those kind of people worthy of freedom and liberty? But hey, it wasn’t just… Read more »

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Official Bologna Tester
4 years ago

I’m sure I fell short in some ways, but I didn’t do too poorly in others. In fact, considering my circumstances, I’d say I did close to my best. I’ve just turned 28; I’ve not had enough years of “adult brain” life to say that I have chosen to throw my liberty into the trash. Although I do regret one thing: smoking too much pot.

Happy birthday, sir. Whenever I don’t know where I’m going, I turn to people of your age group for guidance.

Official Bologna Tester
Official Bologna Tester
Reply to  Lawdog
4 years ago

Lawdog

My advice to anyone your age is simple. learn to speak Polish and Hungarian.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Official Bologna Tester
4 years ago

Spanish and Arabic. Guess I messed up.
Polish is hard, but maybe I can swing Hungarian.

sam the man
Reply to  Lawdog
4 years ago

I feel sorry for you lawdog. When I came to this country 52 years ago the old timers had a saying — you do what you like It’s a free country. You could hear that often ,it was a way to close a discussion. I havent heard that expression in a long time. Some here sold their birthright for a bowl of porridge but are blaming the (( others))

Chimp Sackless
Chimp Sackless
Reply to  Official Bologna Tester
4 years ago

Hey Bologna-boy – until you let/or pull the scales from your eyes you’re gonna be stuck in neutral — jewish bolshevik talmudic usury is behind 90+ percent of ALL the world’s problems — don’t believe me – wade on in to the deeper part of the research pool – it’s all there hidden in plain sight

Official Bologna Tester
Official Bologna Tester
Reply to  Chimp Sackless
4 years ago

Chimp Sackless said: ” jewish bolshevik talmudic usury is behind 90+ percent of ALL the world’s problems .” Maybe. But it’s also behind most of the worlds ice cream. And I, like the President, will take two scoops.

Official Bologna Tester
Official Bologna Tester
Reply to  Official Bologna Tester
4 years ago

It’s a toss-up to which group has the worst sense of humor, jew haters or SJWs. 😂

Gasman
Gasman
Reply to  Pickle Rick
4 years ago

I weep when I watch that and think about how that America is no longer possible.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Gasman
4 years ago

Every nation has to lose its innocence at some point . Anyone who longs for something hard to obtain must also realize that often what they want is for their children or often grand children not them. This won’t make you feel better but well before this Covid stuff, the US was a goner since it was no longer is capable of carrying on its ideas and values. No one even immigrants wants children which is surest way of saying F This . I’m not convinced anything short of turning off modernity can change that. The disruption of the Internet… Read more »

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  abprosper
4 years ago

Yes, yes, yes! I think reliance on the internet is a bad thing for the human mind. It’s like we’ve become its slaves.

Anti-Gnostic
Anti-Gnostic
Reply to  Lawdog
4 years ago

And yet you find yourself on this blog by way of the Internet.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic
4 years ago

Yup. Good thing I don’t rely on it for my sense of self worth!

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic
4 years ago

Some good, a lot of bad. This should surprise no one.

If you want an example of extreme disruption, consider the effects of online dating and how it meshes with female hypergamy

TL;DR guts marriage and makes what marriages do occur less stable.

Truth is the Left isn’t wrong to censor. Its what they censor that is wrong.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Pickle Rick
4 years ago

That’s a favorite WRSA meme too. Truth is that nobody wants the current system nobody has a real alternate plan toward something better and nobody wants to be the guys to destroy a continent sized county. Therefore nobody does anything. Its also doesn’t help that the Right dissident and otherwise craves order and prosperity. Revolutionaries whether ballot of bullet do not or at least not alone. They crave power and revenge on their enemies every bit as much. That craving gives you something to sacrifice for. FWIW that spirit is out there, the vast normie popularity of Fight Club and… Read more »

Christopher S. Johns
Christopher S. Johns
Reply to  Pickle Rick
4 years ago

I’ve been enjoying this one more than I should these days. Talk about another world. Sadly, I remember something like it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJPM-M_Z65o

SidVic
SidVic
4 years ago

I was an avid reader of SF as a kid. Mostly I was reading dads stuff from the 50s and 60s. Norton, Hienlein, asimov… I found myself losing interst in it in the 90s. I thought it was me maturing. The HUGO anthologies were terrible and boring, Finally read a Delaney book that explored weird family structures and decided to try other genres. What i only realized recently was that the SJW movement was taking over SF during this period. They ruined it. Made it unreadable and depressing. I really hate these people.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  SidVic
4 years ago

I find I have to stick to the military Sci-Fi or read the old-timers. Ringo, David Drake, Niven…

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  Drake
4 years ago

I like Gordon Dickson’s stuff. Never got into Ringo.

ROBERT SYKES
Reply to  SidVic
4 years ago

It happened in the 60’s, and it was called “New Wave.” It was largely a British thing and not especially SJW, although SF now is thoroughly SJW.

The distinguishing characteristic of the New Wave was despair and dystopia. It completely replaced the optimistic stories of Heinlein, Asimov, Bradbury et al. Blade Runner is a typical product. So is the Alien series. Star Wars and Star Trek are more old scholol, although it has a strong SJW stink.

greyenlightenment
4 years ago

What we need is a parallel society/economy that runs on something like Bitcoin or Ripple. No more censorship. The dakweb is a limited example of such an economy. >Of course, people with unapproved opinions could sell their own books and magazines on-line, but the banks and payment processors refuse to do business with them. It’s not just a few banks and payment processors that refused to do business with people holding unapproved opinions. It’s all of them. Sites like Counter-Currents, VDare and American Renaissance have searched far and wide for a payment processor, but no one will take their business.… Read more »

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  greyenlightenment
4 years ago

That is spreading more insidiously through all of financial services–now insurers are gradually refusing to underwrite manufacturers that do a certain percentage of work for the firearms industry–even if they do not fabricate the final product. Try running a machine shop without property and workers compensation insurance. Ditto for ranges and shooting clubs. States will advocate liability insurance to own a firearm as part of the “common sense” legislation–then crackdown on anyone providing it (see NY + NRA for reference).

ExNativeSon
ExNativeSon
4 years ago

“America is no longer a free country.“ That about sums it up with
the addendum about what America is. A sad joke would be one description especially for those of a certain age.

Back in the day, as we old timers like to say. Back in the day I was proud to be an American even with all the ills that I saw. Now, I am just a taxpayer and consumer who lives on planet earth. Oh, and a member of the most evil group that ever existed; an unrepentant straight, white male.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  ExNativeSon
4 years ago

If America is no longer free, then is it anymore America?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

Another generation of Brown replacement and it will no longer be America.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Compsci
4 years ago

The core of the problem. A people can survive insane regimes provided they are not replaced.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
4 years ago

The pace of “America’s” deterioration has escalated incredibly rapidly over the past five years or so. The 2017-18 swine flu epidemic was just as bad, if not worse than Coronageddon, yet the current crackdown would have been virtually unthinkable even so short a time ago. As far as I know, such radical measures were never even contemplated. Alas, “America” has been sucked into a fascistic vortex from which it will never emerge. I have often pointed out that America changed more from 1964 through 1969 than it did from 1970 to the present. I now amend the later date to… Read more »

Lorenzo
Lorenzo
4 years ago

“If you are of a certain age, the new normal is particularly tough to fathom.”

Yes.

UFO
UFO
4 years ago

America is only 60% white… and 55% white among the people actually shaping the future (20s and 30s). Probably less because the 55% includes Arabs Jews Persians and Italians. So why are we surprised that the nation’s political structures no longer resemble what they used to? Trudeau just went on a major gun grab. Conservatives are outraged and screaming at that neutral arbiter (aka the sky) how the ban doesn’t make sense, bla bla bla. What they ignore is that the country is only 65% white now and non-whites aren’t so fond of guns. There’s a few token brown guys,… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  UFO
4 years ago

The fundamental difference is that guns are a critical part of the white, European, Christian, masculine culture that founded the United States.

I can’t think of another culture where this is the case. So, of course people in those cultures have no understanding or interest in the right to bear arms and they never will.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

American Whites are descended from European outliers, something many on our side often forget.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

Heck, white men invented guns.

Anti-Gnostic
Anti-Gnostic
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

That white European, Christian, masculine culture had to import slaves to plant cash crops.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic
4 years ago

Slavery is not exclusive to white colonial powers.

Chad Hayden
Chad Hayden
Reply to  UFO
4 years ago

I would revise those statistics down even further UFO – primarily because of the the vast numbers of illegal aliens but also, as you mentioned, because the “non-Hispanic white” bracket includes N. Africans, levantines, ME, and some central Asians. I’m not opposed to accepting some of those types into the white group, particularly if they’re Christian and right-wing, but that is a very small minority. IMHO, the population percentage our group currently holds in this country hovers just above 50% for all age groups in aggregate. Perhaps as high as 55. The under 30 cohort is probably more like 45.… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  UFO
4 years ago

Cabinet minister Ahmed Hussen says that assault weapons have no place in Canada. 

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
4 years ago

It’s a decay from within. How to stop it?
We can’t.
But we will survive it all. There are some reasonable normal people left in our population, just not enough of us.
The last 60 years or so have really reduced our numbers but we do still exist.
I have been reading about the manner in which Roman civilization declined.
We are living in something akin to that.
We will last calling ourselves the United States as long as the Fed can print money and the dollar remains the world currency.
After that?
Who knows.

AndyDan
AndyDan
4 years ago

Here in Britain they’re totally onboard with the lockdown. I don’t watch TV but several customers have mentioned to me the anti lockdown protests in the States. They portray them as ignorant rednecks and Trump supporters endangering the sensible majority. I suppose that’s the angle the BBC has been heavily pushing. We are truly a defeated people. On Thursday nights, the people go out at 8pm and clap for the State health provider. Never mind that it’s now only providing dubious treatment for Kung Flu, or that it has form for bumping people off (Staffordshire/ Gosport). Hospitals are nearly empty.… Read more »

King Tut
King Tut
Reply to  AndyDan
4 years ago

About right. I’m waiting now for the permanent “anti-gathering” laws to be rolled out. Purely for our own good, of course. Most Brits will cry with joy.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  King Tut
4 years ago

Unless, of course, they’re 10,000 Muslims praying in the street, or 10,000 African “refugees” sh*tting by their street tents.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  AndyDan
4 years ago

Some dude emailed me because he heard I was gathering people for a rally. Rhymes with “Pee Party.” They intercept all of the grassroots movements and corrupt them with paid retards who are invariably interviewed by MSNBC. They get to define the movement.

Online, they trolled us mercilessly. Always about Trump. They wanted to render us standard “peebaggers,” polarize us, and be done with it.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

Land of the sheep, home of the bedwetters.

I don’t ever want to hear about the Revolution again, other than the fact it was a tax dodge for Washington, Jefferson, and the rest of the Colonial ruling class.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

Maybe half the colonists were in favor of the Revolution. Less than a quarter lifted a finger to support it. Kind of a miracle it succeeded. The lesson from lots of revolutions is that a hard-core minority willing to fight and die can often beat an indifferent majority.

Chad Hayden
Chad Hayden
Reply to  Drake
4 years ago

And also that people prefer local government by those like them. There were many American Tories, but the king was far away while the colonial legislatures and local esteemed businessmen were very near.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Chad Hayden
4 years ago

Which is why TPTB try to memory hole Shays’ Rebellion as much as possible.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 years ago

Good grief, man. We might’ve ended up speaking Canadian.

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 years ago

..and we’d all be hosers…eh?

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Drake
4 years ago

And if today we have a hardcore minority of dissidents battling an indifferent majority? I mean, for all the blackpilling that goes on these days, on this site certainly, the fact is that history is rife with examples of people in exactly our position moving mountains. From the American Colonists to the commies who swept through China one village at a time. I hope we never forget what we’re capable of — if we have the will.

BillybobjuniorIII
BillybobjuniorIII
Reply to  Drake
4 years ago

Miracle? Massive support from France , support from much of Europe and even British establishment.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
4 years ago

Two immediate takeaways–contrary to popular wish, the Staatspolitzei ain’t gonna come over the peoples side and second, there are more volunteers for the local Committees for the Defense of the Revolution than were volunteers lined up at recruiting offices on 12/8/41.

Member
4 years ago

Most Americans no longer value freedom. Slavery is freedom. The only group of Americans who are still strongly in favor of traditional freedoms are the white conservatives – in other words the heritage population. Case in point, YouGov fielded a poll about whether the lockdowns violate conditional rights. Sadly only a plurality (not a majority) of Republicans felt they violated their civil rights. Even sadder, Republicans were 2x more likely than Democrats to feel lockdowns violate constitutional rights. This same dynamic can be seen in surveys on free speech on controversial topics and gun rights. The Good Whites and our… Read more »

Polack
Polack
4 years ago

At this point in time crushing majority of people doesn’t come even close to realizing nature and magnitude of the changes that are happening in front of their eyes, in broad daylight. There is growing anxiety, as some primal instincts tell them that this is not just another bump on the road and it won’t end well for anyone, but there is stronger force at play that still gives them good night sleep, at least for now. I spoke with some people over the weekend, some make 100k ish living in big pharma, others are up to the same speed… Read more »

Vizzini
Member
4 years ago

Kansas City: Want to attend church, comrade? Fine, but you have to register. It’s for your own good!

Sandmich
Sandmich
Reply to  Vizzini
4 years ago

Wow, that would get me fired up if every church didn’t have signs for free ESL classes and were running refugee resettlement rackets.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
4 years ago

I bet the Wiccans don’t have to register.

Whiskey
Whiskey
4 years ago

Been reading Moneyland by Oliver Burroughs. Highly recommend. The way corruption works in say Ukraine is that through favored crony bidding and shell corporations the vast majority of the budget is moved offshore to various accounts. Connected middle men and senior pols make out like bandits. Lower officials are paid peanuts and depend on bribes to survive. Corrupt all the way down. His blind spot is not seeing the same thing here. All that pc stuff, minoritarianism etc is just Western nations being as corrupt as Ukraine. The FBI? Totally corrupt. Democratic and Republican parties? Totally corrupt. Denny Hastert, Pelosi,… Read more »

greyenlightenment
4 years ago

Abraham Lincoln set a precedent for this by suspending Habeas Corpus.

james wilson
james wilson
Member
Reply to  greyenlightenment
4 years ago

Don’t forget the draft and press gangs seaching attics. The evangelical Protestant revolutionary abolitionist movement grew like a weed in the 1840’s, and it only took twenty years to blast off. People like a purpose, and especially so when it is seen as the winning hand. It is exactly as Tocqueville saw it; the devil in democracy, and only in democracy, is equality. “Democratic communities have a natural taste for freedom, but for equality their passion is ardent, insatiable, incessant, and invincible: they call for equality in freedom; and if they cannot obtain that, they still call for equality in… Read more »

ROBERT SYKES
Reply to  greyenlightenment
4 years ago

The power to suspend is in the Constitution specifically for rebellion.

Henry Lee
Member
4 years ago

G. Gordon Liddy, “When I was a Kid, This was a Free Country.” A fascinating walk through my childhood in the 40’s and 50’s. The last chapter is his version of Watergate. I didn’t realize what a nut he was until I read his autobiography but this book is worth a read.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
4 years ago

I’m asking for the help of the older guys with good memories: When did non-governmental deplatforming start? Of course, you could argue that it started with the Allies winning WW2 or Adam eating the apple, but I’m focused on post-WW2.

As a youngster, I got the message that you couldn’t say that only f@gs and needle-drug users got AIDS, but I was too young to care. Didn’t John Rocker get sent to reeducation camp?

What were the first non-governmental punishments of free speech?

(George Lincoln Rockwell used to hold rallies in the 1960s.)

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  LineInTheSand
4 years ago

Just a spitball, but really saw it take off when leftists invaded HR and Communications operations in large corporations–combined with the push to “go global”. You didn’t want to offend your new global partners–e.g. Disney and the ChiComs. Meanwhile SJWs were infesting HR departments–since nobody with any common sense wanted those shitty jobs. Executive managements are essentially spineless and afraid of having picketers outside their offices. It accelerated in the early 90s and social media simply made it universal–so now the local coffee shop can be mobbed if the owner makes the mistake of giving to an unpopular cause.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  LineInTheSand
4 years ago

I went through grade school in the 70’s. Not being a racist meant not calling blacks “niggers”. “Tolerating” gays meant not beating them up.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Drake
4 years ago

Yep. The watchword then was “tolerance”. Now, I can’t tell you how many “training” programs have been forced to attend where “tolerance” and simply treating people according to their worth and contribution in the workplace has gone to the wayside. Instead I’m supposed to “embrace” and “celebrate” every single lifestyle choice someone chooses no matter how irrelevant to getting work done. Hopefully will be retired before the “embrace pedophilia, bestiality and plural marriage” seminars become the norm. The notion of private vs. professional lives has gone by the wayside.

Chad Hayden
Chad Hayden
Reply to  SamlAdams
4 years ago

@samladams –

There was an old joke of an Englishman who announced he was moving to Australia. His reason being that when he was a kid homos were killed, once he got a bit older they were fined, then tolerated and finally embraced. And he thought he’d better move to Australia before homosexuality became mandatory.

This joke was still funny when I was a kid. Now we’re all out of Australias.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Chad Hayden
4 years ago

“. Now we’re all out of Australias.”

Where the National Airline stands for
Queers And Nancy’s Traveling As Stewards.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Chad Hayden
4 years ago

Sub Hungary for Australia.

bogan
bogan
Reply to  Chad Hayden
4 years ago

Australia is Woker than England.

3g4m
3g4m
Reply to  Drake
4 years ago

I went through grade school in the ’60s and still remember boys calling each other ‘faggot,’ and the fat kids were always picked on. My elementary school was all White. In 7th grade I got my first second-hand experience of divorce – with various kids having new last names and having to work out with teachers what they would go by henceforth. In 9th grade a black girl got pregnant and people would either stare or look away, but no one congratulated her or offered to throw her a baby shower (unlike all the church groups now). In college, after… Read more »

Chad Hayden
Chad Hayden
Reply to  3g4m
4 years ago

A couple yrs ago I worked with an old black ex-military guy who had been stationed in Germany in the 70s. Guy had some crazy stories about how wild the German women were to hop in the sack with him. In these kind of stories there are inevitably exaggerations, but I’m amazed at how often women with no experience with Africans find them so intriguing.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  3g4m
4 years ago

What a wealth of experience. “In State Dept. training…”, my Lord.

Maus
Maus
Reply to  3g4m
4 years ago

3g4m, what a great exegesis of the Fourteen Words. I join in your sentiment. Thank you.

james wilson
james wilson
Member
Reply to  Drake
4 years ago

Without intolerance there can be no standards worth keeping, any more than there can be good without evil. Intolerance is increasingly a virtue in this tired society.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
4 years ago

The Frito Bandito perished in a concentration camp about 1969. That is the first incident of peesea I’m aware of.

ExNativeSon
ExNativeSon
Reply to  LineInTheSand
4 years ago

Line, its funny…er…sad…er…ironic watching how businesses and academia changed. Luckily my first go-round in academia was in the 70s where they still had free speech and you had the ability to do research without worrying about facts and conclusions. Much of my interaction with corporate HR was in the 80s and 90s so did not get much but was starting to see it come. Actually worked in a fairly exclusive firm and it was like “Mad Men” even in the 90s. Probably one of the last of its kind. Back into academia in the current century and was able to… Read more »

ExNativeSon
ExNativeSon
Reply to  ExNativeSon
4 years ago

Line, I owe you a better answer. At the moment I am listening to “Questions” by Buffalo Springfield. Actually have listened to it several times. While I am sure the members of that band would proclaim me evil now they have no idea that what they were able to do is not possible anymore. They are incredibly rich but they pulled up the drawbridge for young white males to follow them. Sounds very bleak I know but what I am really doing now is just Ghost Dancing….Just Ghost Dancing to a past that is….well, past. I have a nice house… Read more »

bilejones
Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
4 years ago

The big hidden question is “When and how did dissent first get a national platform?” The Founders and their ilk were famously “Pamphleteers” producing small circulation propaganda sheets for a local market. They became, of course, part of the Oligarchy. Tthe oligarchs assiduously sought, and gained control over the next century to the point where Hearst famously could forment a war with Spain through his Newspapers. “You furnish the pictures, I’ll furnish the War” https://medium.com/covilian-military-intelligence-group/you-furnish-the-pictures-and-ill-furnish-the-war-67de6c0e1210 The Oligarchs Foundations were primary tools in this with the Rockefeller Foundation and its re-purposing and control of education (University of Chicago etc) becoming so… Read more »

Ryan
Ryan
4 years ago

Squabble: parts of. I live in Houston. The local judge has issued tons of insane orders. The local police have written her rather nastily worded letters saying you are insane and there’s no way in hell we’ll enforce any of this. I’m sorry if the Lagos police are not so enlightened.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
4 years ago

Cowards can’t be freed.

Even if the current shackles and madmen were thrown off they’d be replaced. You – and your wives – will not have it any other way.

You could try being brave, but you want that to be risk free.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member

Cowards can be freed if they’re first freed of their fear, no?

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
Reply to  Lawdog
4 years ago

Listen I’m down. I expect it may be the death of me.

But seriously this supine posture is a real downer. What can be done with such a people?

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
4 years ago

Covid Navidad, everyone.

nailheadtom
nailheadtom
4 years ago

The feds were just as draconian in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century but common opinion was on their side. As soon as William McKinley had drawn his last breath Emma Goldman was hunted down and arrested. Sacco and Vanzetti. Objecting to US involvement in WWI was a ticket to social ostracism. Citizen posses hunted down guys who failed to show up for induction.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
4 years ago

An author, the late, great Kage Baker, on clandestine chocolate in the PC future:

“Not only illegal, much worse, it was immoral.”

3g4m
3g4m
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 years ago

Alzaebo – You are the first person other than myself that I know who has read Kage Baker – I loved the ‘Company’ books. For those interested, they are a type of time travel/enhanced humans and altering history. And in their present (our future) no one can eat meat, and animals are not pets but ‘companion,’ etc. First book (of 10) written in 1998.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  3g4m
4 years ago

Thank you so much 3g4me, The Company is a shining treasure. Kept me going through some dark days, I loved loved loved her stories.

Man, did she nail the PC future. The wild adventures through all history- CroMagnons included- and yet such a kind love of human nature. R.I.P., Kage, you brought joy to my life.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 years ago

Plus, I always wanted to tell her I found Alex! In our era, he’s living as a factory night worker in Rochester, NY.

That longish blonde hair, that horsey face, his simple pleasure- he was just off shift, taking a dawn ride on his Harley in the fresh green hills of late spring.

joe_mama
joe_mama
4 years ago

I remember as a kid and teen there was a common colloquialism that we would use in place of a shrug: “It’s a free country.”

No one uses it much anymore of course. I do it from time to time, mostly to annoy lefty. Doing it in front of them has the same effect as biting down on tin foil with metal fillings. They cringe every time.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
4 years ago

All true, unfortunately. Soooo, where to now? Suggestions? Solutions? (The ugly reality does bring into sharper focus the arguments of the accelerationists.)

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Jim Smith
4 years ago

Organizational experience won’t ever be a negative. Get involved with your local anti-quarantine group.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Jim Smith
4 years ago

Jim, we are pinned down but not defeated.

As a math guy, I think of this as the point at which you’ve been given a problem that you can’t immediately solve. You do research, you try a bunch of different things, but you don’t stop trying. Life is surprising and you only win if you show up.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  LineInTheSand
4 years ago

Life is surprising

Not to mention stochastic, so keep rolling the dice

miforest
Member
4 years ago

Americans were a very different people from the in the 70’s when I was a teenager and young adult . the people were a little older who were teenagers in the 60’s were very different from those of us a little younger than them , and these older than them. they are still very different than any other age cohort. they are absolutely and completely immune to logical reasoning and evidence on anything. they are also irrationally hateful of all traditional Americans.