After the Revolution

My guess is more than a few readers have nursed some rather detailed revenge fantasies about what they would like to see after the revolution. Given the current crisis, it is understandable. Revenge is a big part of every revolution. While bringing back the hangman has its attractions, that’s not the sort of revolution we are likely to see. Instead, ours will be a political revolution. If the forces of darkness prevail in November, we head into the post-national, post-democratic future our rulers promise. If the forces of light prevail, then we may head into a period of raucous reform.

Let’s assume the good guys win for a change and Trump wins the November election. One thing that will happen quickly is there will be calls for him to pardon Hillary Clinton. It is well known that there is an open investigation into the Clinton foundation. It is on the slow track due to the election. If it goes active after the election, it will mean the e-mail crimes will be reopened. Official Washington will want Trump to pardon her and/or quash the FBI investigation into Clinton. We’ll hear a lot of stuff about closing the books for the good of the country.

That was the argument behind pardoning Nixon. Gerald Ford was pressured into taking one for the team in order to preserve “the tranquility to which this nation has been restored by the events of recent weeks could be irreparably lost by the prospects of bringing to trial a former President of the United States.” Whether or not Ford truly believed this is hard to know, because there was never a full airing of what happened to bring down Nixon. It was a Silent Coup that has cast a shadow over our politics for forty years.

Trump should not pardon Clinton. Instead he should appoint a special prosecutor with the authority to go where the evidence takes him. The Clinton crime family did not operate in a vacuum. Lots of people have greased the wheels so that these two grifters from the Ozarks could hold official Washington captive for close to a quarter century. Getting all of it out into the open would do a lot of damage to the political class, but it would do a world of good for the nation’s politics. The corrupt bargain that has prevailed in DC needs to come to an end.

The point is not to put Hillary Clinton in prison, even though that would be a happy outcome. The Clintons have come to symbolize everything that has gone wrong in Washington over the last several decades. They are an extreme example of the ethos that has come to dominate American politics. It is a culture where everything is for sale, nothing is ever on the level and no scam is too small. Washington has become something like a rotten police precinct, where morality is inverted. Instead of the criminals fearing detection by the honest, it is the honest who fear the criminals.

Along the same lines, the IRS investigation has to be reopened so that the truth of that fiasco is laid bare. Nixon was run out of town, in part, because his people talked about using the IRS as a weapon. Whether or not the Obama people were involved in the IRS targeting scandal is unknown, but it needs to be known. There are certain things that must remain beyond the pale in order to maintain civilized government. It is why the West eventually got rid of blood feuds. Politicizing the IRS is one of those things that can never be permitted.

In all probability, the people in the IRS acted on their own initiative. Lois Lerner is a fanatic. That much is obvious. Putting her in a cage for a very long time sends the message to other fanatics that the IRS is no place for their kind. It also sends the message to the politicians who appoint these people. That was supposed to be the lesson of Watergate. It was not enough to obey the letter of the law. Politicians were supposed to obey the spirit of the law. Prosecuting the people responsible for the IRS scandal reestablishes that principle.

Whether any of this will happen is open to debate. The nation is at a crossroads, similar to where we were when Andrew Jackson came to Washington. There are also similarities between this period and the end of the Industrial Revolution a century ago. Then as now, new fortunes accelerated the corruption of the political class to the point where the public had lost confidence in their rulers. In order to avoid something much worse than a period of raucous reform, we need a period of raucous reform. If a Trump presidency merely clears the field for a new generation of reformers, that would be a pleasant result.

Cause otherwise what comes net will be much worse.

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james wilson
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If ever the left owned a word, that word is reform. In the great words of a man who has since abandoned his soul to cuckservatism, we don’t want to know how to make Washington work, we want to know how to make it stop. Who tries to reform Leviathan will just end up like P J O’Rourke.

Lorenzo
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A good part of the hate that Trump is getting from the managerial and ruling classes comes from the fear that Trump would start the investigations and cleanup that you suggesr. Big businesses are getting sweet deals from “free” trade and competition-stifling regulation while exporting good jobs and importing cheap labor.. The anti-Trumpers keep telling us Deplorables that Trump won’t do what he says. More likely, they’re afraid that he will.

LetsPlay
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While I like the freshness of Trump-speak, calling out liars and such, I am still hesitant to throw all-in. I am still skeptical to a large degree especially when his first efforts at creating jobs are built around feeding the MIC. Sure we do need to rebuild the military after the gutting that Barry has done but I would have rather he focused on rebuilding our nations infrastructure. You know, those shovel ready jobs like repairing and rebuilding/replacing roads, highways, bridges, sewage systems, electrical and many other things that are needed to keep life going at home. Job creation! And… Read more »
Trimegistus
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Concern troll is concerned.

John the River
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A valid point, but like stocking up for an emergency without addressing the need for personal protection (i.e. guns) you might just be supplying someone else with emergency supplies. The first duty of the President is to defend the nation. The rifle then the plow.

LetsPlay
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Just last night I caught up with Trumps speech in Fairport, CT. (Which was awesome BTW! In 110 degree heat and he did not wilt like Hillary did in 80 degree temps). I finally heard him address issues on the domestic front related to infrastructure. I will vote for him. Never said I wouldn’t. I never said defense was not important. And I sure as hell do not want Hillary anywhere near the WH. He said he will be putting out a comprehensive plan in a couple of weeks. More details is what I am looking for. That is all.
JohnTyler
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The next president WILL appoint several justices of the Supreme Court. These justices will serve well beyond the next eight years.
If Hillary appoints these justices, gun rights, free speech/religion/assembly will disappear.

Hate Trump all you want, but the “legacy” of the next president will endure way in excess of 8 years. This is reason enough to vote for Trump.

Doc Holliday
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“Why, Johnny Tyler! Madcap! Where you goin’ with that shotgun?” …”Doc? I didn’t know you was in town…”

King George III
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I want a complete break. The last 25 years have brought in about 100 million people that just don’t belong, about 20 trillion-with-a-T of debt and 84 trillion-with-a-T of unfunded liabilities, all of which needs to be totally eliminated, and the dissolution of morality and masculinity in public and private life. What we need is the reassertion of the primacy of the family, with the family patriarch at its head, 90% of Washington looking for other work, if any, and the manufacturing base, the fount of wealth of the middle-class, restored. I don’t see any way to walk this thing… Read more »
Rick Allen
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How does “Caesar Augustus” reassert “the primacy of the family, with the family patriarch at its heart”? In fact, Augustus Caesar tried to do it, with a variety of laws aimed at making Roman men become good heads of families. Any history of Roman Law during the early Principate will provide whatever detail you want. Of course they failed. The law cannot make or destroy healthy families. But a man can choose to work hard, to love his wife, to raise his children, to set an example. It’s not easy, but I know plenty of families like that, plenty of… Read more »
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You place your blame on the wrong gender. The succinct answer to your question is: Ceasar Augustus reasserts the primacy of the family with the family patriarch at its heart by eliminating, or at least drastically reducing, the welfare state and by reversing modern divorce laws, both of which made modern feminism possible. Approximately 70% of divorces in America are initiated by women. In modern divorce, women usually get custody of the kids and obtain cash and prizes in court when hubby makes buck, and if not they secure sustenance from the welfare state. Eliminate the economic incentives for women… Read more »
GuestX
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And I’ve known men that chose to work hard and love their wives and STILL had everything stolen from them with the full blessings of the state and the encouragement of white knights. It’s always instructive to see folks like you completely ignore the utter depravity and feral behavior of Western women when lecturing from on high. But, no matter – men just need to “Man-up and marry those sluts” eh, Rick? I suppose you’re the only *RealMan* here and are going to tell all of us lessers how we have dissapointed you. The collapse cannot come soon enough.
Ken
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Fools like you are soooo tiresome.

fodderwing
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King George, what I find refreshing in the Alt-Right reaction to the problems you state is that, as a movement, it is a clear re-assertion of the Patriarchy. Not all in that camp are willing to use such terms, but at it’s heart every Alt-Righter knows that it’s time for men to take the wheel and assert themselves in traditional roles. The Left is not invincible, as long as there are intact families they must contend with. And if only family Patriarchs and their sons were allowed to vote in the upcoming election, we all know who would win it.
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Eve was deceived, and Adam — standing right there with her — failed to protect her from the serpent’s lies. There’s enough guilt to go around, with both Adam and Eve culpable. But the man is the head (protector and defender) and it is his responsibility to seek what is good, right, proper, pure, and honorable — and to transmit these traits to his children. (Psalm 78:1-4.) When he fails — by being a nasty brute, ruled by his glands, or sinking into effeminacy, the woman’s response is to let *her* particular variety of sin rule her heart, too: to… Read more »
Karl Horst (Germany)
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“The last 25 years have brought in about 100 million people that just don’t belong”…I bet in 1776 Native American’s were thinking exactly the same thing when deciding to vote to support the French or British.

Christopher S. Johns
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You’re twenty years too late (but your lefty historical concern trolling is touching). The Indians, generally speaking, supported France in the French and Indian War. William Pitt, wisely, hired Prussian mercenaries to do the fighting after the bickering colonials proved ineffective in the field (a young G. Washington prominent among them). Eventually, France and their Indian allies got their asses handed to them. The outcome ended France’s possessions in North America, and with them the departure of the Indians only hope of thwarting colonial land grabs.

C’est la vie.

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Leave it to a German to try and shame someone for colonialism. Do you a German really want to air past sins, and assign guilt? Do you imagine you’ll come out ahead in such an endeavor?

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ DFCtomm – The Brits were far better at colonialism than the Americans, you are one of their early efforts in fact. Yes, America managed 50-states and a few territories – barely. But nice try. Germany? No, we’re not very good at that at all. Even worse than the Italians actually. But the French, Dutch, Spanish and Portuguese…now they did very well. Still, you have to give credit where it’s due. And the Brits really knew how to do it right.

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That wasn’t my point, but nonetheless. We have been taught that having come out of WWII the only industrial power intact that we declined empire, but now it appears that wasn’t so. We simply decided, since so many other empires had failed, that we would pursue empire 2.0, a different kind of empire, modeled more after corporate fascism. We ruled but did not occupy. I think we are currently in the decline and fall of that new type of empire.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ DFCtomm – “Ruled but did not occupy?” Are you serious? Campbell Barracks Army Base in Heidelberg, Landstuhl Medical Center, Patrick Henry Village Army Base in Heidelberg, Ansbach Army Base, Bamberg Army Base, Baumholder Army Base, not to mention Grafenwoehr, Hohenfels and Lee Barracks also come to mind. That’s no even count Wiesbaden, Hahn, Spangdahlem, Rheinmain, and Ramstein Air Force bases and those others still here under British forces. Not occupied did you say? Believe me, nothing says “you’re occupied” like American jets in our skies and American tanks and armored vehicles rolling through our village streets during Reforger exercises.… Read more »
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I’m hurt. You forgot Coleman Barracks. That’s where I was stationed. I excluded Germany for obvious reasons. Oh Yes you were occupied, Germany was very naughty and they got occupied, but outside the Axis that wasn’t true, and we did leave if asked.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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DFCtomm – My apologies! Yes, our grandfathers did a few “naughty” things back in their youth. Ah the young – what to do? But yes, “payback…” as they say. I do hope you enjoyed your tour here. 🙂

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I did. It’s a lovely country with fine people, and it’s sad to see what’s happening to it.

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Let the tribe of man that is without sin cast the first stone.

Doug
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I sure hope with all my heart peaceful rational people prevail, that virtues and principles, savings grace win the day. I think it was what this republic was founded on, and many who fought in that founding revolution, through the many decades leading up to last resorts of resorting to violent revolution, gave up everything for those beliefs in happiness, and prosperity, and rule of law and not men. That is the leadership that is desperately needed. The ugly truth is leadership begins at the top, and right now the federal government, and lots of States, are leading not with… Read more »
notsothoreau
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My personal war is with bureaucrats, so I can think of a number of agencies to shut down. But realistically, I want immigration controlled, with illegals committing criminal acts booted out of the country. And I want a roll back of obama’s illegal executive actions and regulations rolled back.

And I want every bullet, every gun, every piece of military equipment removed from government agencies. If they need someone to enforce a law, let them call in the local law enforcement.They want gun control? let’s give it to them.

Christopher S. Johns
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The following is by “Publius” in the most recent Claremont Review of Books: “…the current governing arrangement of the United States is rule by a transnational managerial class in conjunction with the administrative state. To the extent that the parties are adversarial at the national level, it is merely to determine who gets to run the administrative state for four years. Challenging the administrative state is out of the question. The Democrats are united on this point. The Republicans are at least nominally divided. But those nominally opposed (to the extent that they even understand the problem, which is: not… Read more »
Shelby
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Finally. A plan. A blueprint at least of how we go forward. Thank you Zman, what a relief. Now that you have written it down so matter of factly my old brain feels clear again.
I am very close to 70 years old and in poor health and it does my heart good to see a silver lining forming up.
Trump/Pence16

John the River
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Your mouth to God’s ear.

The rest of us, praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.

Larry Sheldon
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I do not think Pardon for Hillary will be possible.

I still think that if it becomes clear that she has irretrievably lost (not sure how that can be, but let us dream on), Obama will pardon her and as many others as he can, then he will resign so Biden can Pardon the Obamas.

LetsPlay
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I agree. If and when Barry does leave, he will do a “Mark Rich” on the way out and pardon the Bitch, if she is still alive. If not, I shudder to think of the love-fest the liberals/dems and media will have with her funeral and tributes to the “vagina that could”. And she did. Snatch as much as she could.

Crispin
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She might not be alive. The pass-out scene at the van may have been her expiration.
this is intriguing:
http://sitsshow.blogspot.com/2016/09/SENSATIONAL-WABC-TV-Ch-7-in-NYC-Reports-Hillary-Clinton-s-DEATH-she-was-Replaced-by-a-Body-Double.html

Dorf
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Convict then pardon due to frailty after the trial.

UKer
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Revolutions are nasty things, and a lot of evil is done slyly and plenty of old scores are settled under the guise of ‘improving’ society. The useless Left glibly talks about ‘revolutions’ as if it is all going to be soft mattresses and cosy evenings round the fireplace, spent agreeing on how much fairness we now enjoy. What we have right now is a complex societal arrangement where we are probably at any given time no more than few days away from total anarchy, mayhem and almost certain starvation. The fact is the whole show is kept going simply because… Read more »
meema
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Fighting lies and liars seems to be the new normal nowadays. It’s a condition prevalent in every increment of daily life from personal to global. Trump isn’t going to make a dent in that no matter how big the club he swings. On the personal level, I am not interested in revenge. I wouldn’t even care if there was no revelation of the truth if evil would just go away. However, while that sounds righteous and all, it’s also selfish in a way. When evil is never exposed it simply goes somewhere else to ruin another gullible fool. Sometimes revenge… Read more »
Ivar
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Revenge is a completely acceptable motive, no need to apologize for wanting it. It is nice to see one of the British cousins who does not apologize for every step he takes.

Severian
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Whatever else happens if Trump wins, we need a post-WWII-style Committee of Truth and Reconciliation to identify collaborators, as in five years or so the loudest members of the “Alt-Right” will be former SJWs. True Believers gonna True Believer, and the only way to right the ship (if it’s still possible) is to cram True Believers back under the rocks they came from. Fortunately, the internet makes this so much easier: “Ahem, so-called ‘Vile Faceless Minion’ #6239, it says here you took Transgendered Disabled Chicana Studies 101 back in undergrad, and your Twitter logs show you once made up a… Read more »
JohnTyler
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Hard to believe the IRS crimes of Lerner, et.al., were initiated at her level. Obama is a proven liar and fraud and either he or someone near him must have passed on the word to look into conservative groups. Obama, a crook, is surrounded by highly partisan Chekistas who can deal in dirt every bit as well as the Clintonista mafia. Recall that Dr. Ben Carson had never in his life been audited by the IRS until he gave a speech at some national prayer breakfast (can’t figure out for the life of me why Obama was at a prayer… Read more »
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I agree the Clintons should be fully and fiercely prosecuted, but only to get leverage for the two things that Trump has to do for our survival as a country: build the wall and keep out jihadis. The Progs will oppose this agenda like wild dogs. The only way to get them to get out of the way of the wall and a muslim ban will be to offer to let the Clintons go free. The Clinton machine will get behind this deal and we will have our wall and our ban.

LetsPlay
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Negatory. Follow the money. Go after the people funding both issues and maybe things will have a chance of getting to some sense of normalcy. The Clinton’s cannot, I repeat, cannot go free. Don’t give them shit.

Member

Don’t get me wrong, I think they’re reptilian, but I’d rather have the wall and the ban. Their karma can’t be good.

Al from da Nort
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It would be wiser (and more fun – see below) to let the Clintonistas flee and form an emigre community in the south of somewhere (France_?). That way they wouldn’t be tempted to go for the coup and could spend the rest of their sorry lives worrying about keeping the local ‘migrants’ from taking them over and expelling them penniless, if they were lucky.

Member

“The corrupt bargain that has prevailed in DC needs to come to an end.”

Too much power and money at stake. Never happen, til the money is gone. The rule of law is dead.

Fuel Filter
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Z, I’m not nearly as sanguine as you. I see plenty of blood on the horizon. We are in deep sh!t no matter who is elected.

Got these links from the Woodpile via WRSs (I’m sure you read it both blogs. They both link to you weekly).

http://www.naturalnews.com/055146_social_chaos_election_results_popular_revolt.html

This one is somewhat of a rehash of the first link:

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2016/09/06/is-the-clock-running-out-on-the-united-states-devolves-into-an-armed-revolt/

This delves into some of the economic clouds:

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/09/10/disturbing-signs-global-conflict-continue-gather-pace.html

A cogent history of the Conservative Movement from the 30s to today…a  long but excellent essay. I slightly disagree with come of his carachterizatins (sp?) of the Trump phenomena but well worth the read:

http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/Populism–I–American-conservatism-and-the-problem-of-populism-8462

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One glaring distinction: Ford was a Republican pardoning a Republican. Quite different to expect a President of the other side to pardon his opposition’s Heart of Darkness.

Oh, yeah, almost forgot: Let. It. Burn.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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The problem currently facing the US is the same everywhere. Corruption at the highest levels of government, lack of faith in leadership, bold face lies, misdirection and lack of actually making anything work properly. One would think that after so many years of free elections in western democratic countries, our brilliant leaders would have solved all the problems we put them in office to fix in the first place. But no…it’s just more of the same. Same in the US, same in the UK, Germany and the rest of Europe and everywhere else. Nothing new under the sun. We’re all… Read more »
Shelby
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Forgive me Karl, but do not assume that I dread voting for Trump. At this time voting for just another slimy jackass made no sense.
If I live long enough, I will make sure the party I hang my hat on does not include one ‘NeverTrump’ jackass.
I can’t do much to help but he damn sure has all my support.

Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ Shelby – Be honest. Put your hand on your heart and tell the world you really believe that he is the best man for the job. That one day, if you lived long enough, you would be proud to see his face on Mt. Rushmore side by side with the other great US presidents. Really? Of the 300-something million Americans, you really believe he really the ONLY man in your entire country that can solve all the problems everyone claims Obama is responsible for? That he’s the only man who can turn your country around? And that after 4-years… Read more »
Shelby
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Karl, I truly believe he is the only one who could shake millions of us awake and get us out there voting.
I also know beyond a shadow of a doubt that sane people don’t put themselves through this kind of hell just to be elected.
What will you say if he does a good job?
Will you make a public statement that some old lady in America knew more than you?
Yes, my fingers are crossed. Hahaha

Notsothoreau
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I don’t dread the outcome and I don’t dread a Trump Presidency. In fact, I think we need a lot fewer career politicians in office. Career politicians have a lot in common with college students. College students learn to do well on tests. Politicians learn how to win elections. It doesn’t show competency on anything else.

In case they don’t cover it in the news, there are hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people that are happy to vote for Trump. I don’t personally know of anyone happy to vote for Hillary but maybe they exist.

LetsPlay
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Karl, you are right in the sense that it is about corruption. But the other side of the coin is the lack of consequences. Of course they “know” how to fix problems, the problem is they have no incentive to fix problems because as others have said, they have their ways of simply getting reelected. We need term limits. Period. And with legal lobbying, they get greased to do what others want, not those who elected them. And when everyone knows who the avowed communists are (domestic enemies) and traitors, sellouts to corporations and foreign governments … heads should roll.… Read more »
Karl Horst (Germany)
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@ LetsPlay – Agreed. Corruption without consequence supported with the wink and nod of those who are supposed to monitor their actions and punish wrong doers. It is the same here. While you think the American situation and European situations are different, they are very much the same on any number of levels. You can call it what you want, but it if walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck.

NorthGunner
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“Oh if only we can elect the ‘right people’..if only we can ‘get back to the constitution’..if only ‘rule of law’ was respected by everyone and everyone had good people governing them….’ Frogsnott and curdled Batguano!! This is what happens when people believe in and act according to the ‘most dangerous superstition’ per Larken Rose. democracy, communism, fascism (properly called corpratism), socialism it’s all the same collectivist/statist enslaving drivel spun by sociopathic klepto-narcissists to parasitize everyone else around such pathological jackals..and enforced by gangs of thugs who’re hallucinating the same insane superstition! As long as people continue to believe in… Read more »
Liberty4Ever
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There would be a significant conflict of interest if president Trump pardoned Hillary and/or Bill for their corrupt misdeeds under The Clinton Foundation, considering that according to Trump’s records and the records of The Clinton Foundation, he gave them at least $100,000. I definitely get the perspective that HRC is evil. I totally get that. What I can’t see is concluding that Trump must therefore be one of “the good guys”. Trump is like the GOP version of Hope & Change. People desperately read anything in him they want to see and blithely ignore what they don’t like. Trump has… Read more »
Haxo Angmark
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I hope this fake-populist fraud Trump does not win. If he does, the Buyers’ Remorse among alt-Rights is going to be so intense as to occasion mass suicides. His first acts, incidentally, would be a touchback amnesty for the illegals, then another blast of H1b’s. The System vomited up Trump in order to keep the stupid White People participating in the System while the System destroys them.

Ken
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Yawn.

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You need to read some Dostoyevsky and find a good church.

Barbara Langdon
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You might want to check on the date for the end of the industrial revolution if you indeed did mean to say that it ended a century ago.

Lois Lerner had contact with the White House. The administration is not innocent of this.

Mark Breza
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The Redcoats are coming the Redcoats are coming !! Kill an overpaid cop — Join the Tea Party.           They dont call them PIGS for nothing;            first to the trough.  After the Revolution read your Whiskey Rebellion history, where GW & Alexander(central bank)Hamilton slammed a federal excise tax on the poor corn farmers & backed it up personally with the military force !They are not patriots they are revolutionaries. As was the case the first time , this time also the Tea Party will lead to the destruction of the nation.  Though… Read more »
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