Pink State

Imagine the space-time continuum gets scrambled and you find yourself in a world where the coming election is between a crazy old cat lady, an old hippie, Hitler and Mussolini. Hitler is leading one major party and Mussolini is leading another major party. The hippie and the cat lady have no party and very little support. As a practical matter, your choice is between Hitler and Mussolini. More important, you know the ramifications of both choices. The former is murder and mayhem and the latter is authoritarianism and long speeches.

To anyone with a soul, the choice is clear. You vote for Mussolini. It’s a terrible option, but so is chemotherapy. No one enthusiastically opts for chemotherapy, but it beats dying from cancer. If you told your doctor that your morals prevented you from choosing chemo, so you were going to visit some guy with magic crystals, your doctor would try to have you committed. Similarly, no one would wants Mussolini as the ruler, but he is a vastly better option than Hitler. You do what you must, even when it is unpleasant, to stop Hitler.

To continue this a bit further, imagine if someone came up to you are said “I’m Susan Wright and my principles prevent me from voting Mussolini, even though I know Hitler will murder millions, so I’m voting for the goofy hippie guy.” You would have dark thoughts about that person. They are willing to stand aside and allow something truly horrible just so they can avoid doing something unpleasant. To make it worse, they demand that you pretend that their cowardice and treachery is high minded.

Further, you would look at those people investing all of their energy ridiculing Mussolini as pro-Hitler partisans. After all, the successful end of the efforts can only mean one thing –  Hitler wins. They could protest all they like that they hate both Hitler and Mussolini, but you would know them by their deeds. They are working to pave the way for Hitler, regardless of their reasoning. If successful, they would be, in part, responsible for what comes next. Blood would be on their hands and you would feel justified in holding them responsible.

Alternatively, if someone came up to you and made the case for Hitler, along with pointing out the faults of Mussolini, you would not feel the urge to punch them in the face. They may be horribly mistaken, but at least they are being honest. They are pro-Hitler and they take responsibility for it. They own it. Who knows, they could be right and Mussolini is worse in the long run. In theory, at least, you can debate this with the Hitler fans and maybe in the process sway some undecided voters to your side.

Obviously, you see what I’m doing here. Replace Hitler with Clinton and Mussolini with Trump and we have the debate between the Cult of Never Trump and the rest of us. No one thinks Trump is the ideal candidate. Many of us think he is a awful candidate, but he is orders of magnitude better than Clinton. Her election means the nation lurches into authoritarianism. What comes next will be unfathomably horrible. If you have a soul, you do what you must to prevent evil from triumphing. Susan Wright has no soul.

This twitter exchange I had with her is the genesis of this post:

Red State, of course, has gone full-on moonbat. Their only reason to exist these days is to bash Trump and Trump voters. A moral nullity like Susan Wright also takes time out to bash other Dirt People like Sarah Palin. Even loopy liberals have moved on from Palin-bashing, but as a dog returns to its vomit, the degenerate social justice warriors of the Never Trump Cult go back to Palin-bashing when they need material. Reading her posts, you could be forgiven for thinking she was a writer for Salon.

To return to my analogy, Susan Wright is the sort that would spend all her time harping about the defects of Mussolini, then claim she is standing on principle, as Hitler rounds up the Jews and packs them off to the gas chambers. She would rather something horrible happen, than get her hands dirty doing the hard work of opposing evil. Of course, that assumes she thinks Clinton is a bad choice. Again, reading her posts, it’s hard not to think she is related to the old bag, not just a supporter.

After the war, many Germans tried to say they did not know what was happening so they should not be held accountable for supporting the Nazis. The question in those cases was whether or not the person should have known or could have known. The Clinton Crime Family has been a known quantity for 25 years. Susan Wright and her ilk know exactly what comes from a Clinton victory. Blood will be on their hands. “I did not know” is not going to be an acceptable excuse when the time comes.

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michael x.
8 years ago

“No one enthusiastically opts for chemotherapy” Unless, of course, you have an advanced cancer. I did and thanked God that the treatment was available. Is Trump perfect? One cannot even define the term. But what is true is that he is the best candidate. Trump has run the gauntlet, on our behalf, for the past 16 months, and has suffered greatly- both financially and personally – and has emerged on the other side bloodied and bruised but unbowed. Win or lose he has emerged as a heroic figure and I am thankful beyond measure that he offered himself up to… Read more »

trangbang68
Member
8 years ago

Tell it brother, I’m sick to death of their priggish, self righteous gruel when the odious Clinton is one of the worst people ever

notsothoreau
notsothoreau
8 years ago

I’m working Decision Desk election night. (And I almost didn’t, but decided to finish it out.) They are all like that. I had no idea that Trump was personally responsible for ruining the Ace of Spades blog, but now I know.

They asked Hillary which enemies she was proudest of. She replied “Republicans”. Do they think they won’t be on her enemies list, because they didn’t support Trump?

gebrauchshund
gebrauchshund
8 years ago

“They are willing to stand aside and allow something truly horrible just so they can avoid doing something unpleasant. To make it worse, they demand that you pretend that their cowardice and treachery is high minded.”

“She would rather something horrible happen, than get her hands dirty doing the hard work of opposing evil.”

Those two statements are pretty spot on for describing pacifism, which sets me to thinkin’ about the correlations in the mental processes of #NeverTrumpers, the GOP establishment, and pacifists in general.

Richard Kreul
Richard Kreul
8 years ago

Keep writing

Member
8 years ago

If Hilary wins the U.S. loses its soul. This is what happened to Russia when the Bolsheviks took over. Communism is the ultimate soullessness. Submission is very alluring. If Trump wins, we stay a mess, but our national soul is intact for a while.

Jay
Jay
Reply to  thezman
8 years ago

Out of curiosity zman, if you were to imagine Trump a Roman emperor which do you think he would be? Claudius would make sense if you viewed the Hillary as Nero (and the media as Agrippina). Maybe Vespasian (viewing the Clinton/Bush families like the Julio-Claudians). If we are further along in our rot maybe Diocletian? It’s an interesting speculative exercise.

King George III
King George III
Reply to  thezman
8 years ago

I beg to differ. One man can rule any country if he has its police and its military in his pocket. Or do these paper-pushing bureaucrats have invulnerability to bullets?

LetsPlay
LetsPlay
Member
Reply to  King George III
8 years ago

Bullshit! The flaw in your argument is the word “man”. Just a man. Like all the other presumed Kings, Despots, Tyrants. All just men.

Solomon Honeypickle IV
Solomon Honeypickle IV
Reply to  Jay
8 years ago

Wrong analogy; think Cromwell

Guest
Guest
Reply to  thezman
8 years ago

The American Empire ends when the US Dollar loses its status as the world’s reserve currency, at which point the US can no longer print money at will. If Hillary wins Conservatives can hasten the end of Empire by voting for Democrats and keeping their kids out of the US Military. We’re now in the era of permanent trillion-dollar deficits. Democrats will quite predictably drive spending upward with their insane social programs. This is sustainable only because the US military forces oil-producing states to trade in dollars, i.e., the petrodollar trade. The US military simply cannot meet enlistment targets without… Read more »

LetsPlay
LetsPlay
Member
Reply to  Guest
8 years ago

Sure the north could raise an army. But they wouldn’t be able to do much running around in high heels and being worried about tampon supplies instead of bullets.

And while we are at it, why does no one ever talk about “Don’t feed the beast.” Tax revolt. The original war for independence was about taxation without representation. What would the dems do with rising debt and falling revenues?

Montefrío
Member
8 years ago

At 70, I’ve long since given up hope on women (with rare exceptions) behaving rationally. Even the most apparently sensible of them nearly always disappoints sooner or later. Sanctimony, sadly, has become contagious and too many males have taken on the weeping Jesus personality. HRC shouldn’t stand a chance, should be removed from the ticket, but it ain’t happening. Glad to be far away from the whole business.

Whitney
Member
Reply to  Montefrío
8 years ago

Jesus wasn’t weepy. That’s just modern churches creating God in their image

LetsPlay
LetsPlay
Member
Reply to  Whitney
8 years ago

Amen. John 11:35 is the shortest verse in the Bible “Jesus wept.” and showed the human side of Jesus’ compassion for the family and friends of Lazarus who had just died. Weepy implies weakness. He was anything but weak. Montefrio, you need to study up on your scripture.

LetsPlay
LetsPlay
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Reply to  Montefrío
8 years ago

I don’t know where you are but if Hillary wins, you can’t be far enough away. She will reach out and touch you, or one of her foreign allies will do it for her. Maybe Mars, but heck, even rich idiot Musk is going to plant evil on foreign worlds, all in the name of crony capitalism.

UKer
UKer
8 years ago

Observations from the damp side of the pond: I would, if I could, vote for Trump but alas, I am not dead and being white European, I am not allowed to walk into the States and demand free this and that and thus partake in your forthcoming election. Oh well, never mind. However as much as I think the momentum is with Trump I have to say that Hillary can’t afford to lose so she won’t be allowed to lose. Of course, miracles exist (we had one in June with Brexit, even if our unprepared ‘ruling’ Tories are unwilling to… Read more »

Samuel Adams
Samuel Adams
Reply to  UKer
8 years ago

Happen to be in Londonistan the rest of the week and seemingly all my colleagues here want to discuss is the election. And are quite disappointed to hear that Hillary is a criminal (and I’ve experienced the CF/CGI first hand) and Trump, while highly flawed, at least might make some of the changes. I get the impression that they all voted against Brexit.

UKer
UKer
Reply to  Samuel Adams
8 years ago

You are right: London mostly voted against Brexit. They like the idea submitting to European rule (though often it translates to meaning easy travel to their holiday homes in rural France or imagining that the mighty EU will safeguard them against the muslim hordes that, er, the EU let in… weird, huh?) Anyway, London so loves Brussels so much that the city’s muslim mayor (he who said terrorism is just part and parcel of life in big cities, so get used to it) wants London to be ‘liberated’ from England so it can stay part of the EU. A sort… Read more »

Douglas
Douglas
8 years ago

Ben Howe started Tweeting #ImWithHer as soon as Trump won the nomination. CuckState, indeed.

Member
8 years ago

Two points: 1/ First para: Mussolini and Hitler. “The former is murder and mayhem and the latter is authoritarianism and long speeches.” Mussolini is murder but Hitler is long speeches? Methinks the former should be the latter; but I do catch your drift. 2/ I don’t see Trump as fascist or authoritarian. He’s done incredible things in his life, with nary a complaint about sexism, racism, authoritarianism or any other ism, up until he ran for president. Almost all the crap thrown at him is just that: pure unadulterated bullshit. All made up by the unbelievably in-the-tank media, who apparently… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous
Reply to  eskyman
8 years ago

Why not take a hint from the leftist book of rules? Vote a few more times, and while you’re at it, why not encourage your pets to vote, too? Anyone who denies cats and dogs the right to vote must be a despicable ailurophobe or a cynophobe!

bill jones
bill jones
Reply to  eskyman
8 years ago

He reverts to the order in which the names were first mentioned rather than his most recent use.

A.T. Tapman
A.T. Tapman
Member
8 years ago

Pacifists are the easiest ones to round-up and kill, I don’t think that can be disputed.

Solomon Honeypickle IV
Solomon Honeypickle IV
Reply to  A.T. Tapman
8 years ago

They should be killed (or driven out), they are corrosive to a society.

CaptDMO
CaptDMO
Reply to  Solomon Honeypickle IV
8 years ago

Noooooooo! Then who will make the beds, prune the Azalias, or make the pretty designs on top of the Lattes?
Who’d pedal all the bicycle powered generators at night, when the windmills are in flames, and the solar panels are collecting dew?

LetsPlay
LetsPlay
Member
Reply to  A.T. Tapman
8 years ago

“I don’t like violence or fighting but I will gladly let you fight and die for me! I have my principles you see.” Too bad society doesn’t let Darwin’s Law function at it’s rawest.

Karl Hungus
Karl Hungus
8 years ago

People like her will be some of the first ones rounded up by the new overlords. Serves her right the twisted POS.

In Voice
In Voice
8 years ago

Analogies are necessarily imperfect, and I understand your point. But it’s wrong to compare Trump with Mussolini. The Donald doesn’t have uniformed gangs bashing opposition people. He isn’t trying to go to war to obtain foreign territory for the U.S. He wants to defend our country against foreign invaders. Sure, he has faults as a person (who doesn’t?) and as a candidate: he’s short on details about how he’ll accomplish his promises. He gets sidetracked too easily. His speeches are too long. Et cetera. Still, I have heard nothing from him that even suggests he has eyes to be some… Read more »

Shelby
Shelby
Reply to  In Voice
8 years ago

Thank God. I was about to close out my phone and hang myself. Too depressed to go on.
Can we please be a little more positive. Too much doom and gloom. No totally sane person would ever want to be the president.

Jake Badlands
Jake Badlands
Reply to  In Voice
8 years ago

Analogies are necessarily imperfect, and I understand your point. But it’s wrong to compare Trump with Mussolini. The Donald doesn’t have uniformed gangs bashing opposition people.

Not yet, but the season is yet young!

King George III
King George III
Reply to  In Voice
8 years ago

“The Donald doesn’t have uniformed gangs bashing opposition people”

Do you mean to say that Mussolini was wrong to bash dirty filthy commies? Are you implying that each and every one shouldn’t have found a bullet in the back of his head? What about the progs, do they not each deserve a lamp post engraven with their final words?

Or is treason just not a crime anymore?

LetsPlay
LetsPlay
Member
Reply to  King George III
8 years ago

Well, maybe we do have something in common after all. Just one thing. But I would not give them the dignity of any words at all on a lamp post.

But that still isn’t Donald.

MSO
MSO
8 years ago

We have a virtual candidate leading virtual taxpayers to a virtual win in a virtual election. She pretends she’s honest and competent; the DOJ and FBI prove that she is neither and pretend that she is; government employees pretend that they pay taxes when they file tax returns and pay with checks drawn against funds collected from real taxpayers; non-taxpayers file tax returns to claim refunds on taxes they never paid; real taxpayers and real voters have their votes diluted by virtual citizens who vote for her multiple times in multiple precincts in record numbers. She awards us all with… Read more »

Nori
Nori
8 years ago

Not only have we known the Clintons for 25+ yrs,we’ve watched them get progressively worse,her in particular. Every day brings fresh evidence of her ineptitude at everything except enriching herself. The worst of it is the people who willingly cover up for her,virtually every Democrat, “principled” Repub,and whatever Miz Wright fancies herself. They ARE soulless. Much as I despise Stephen King, “The Stand” comes to mind.

Krautokee
Krautokee
8 years ago

This is the argument I’ve been using; clueless authoritarian vs. totalitarian fascist. Not a great choice, but I’m voting for the authoritarian, he’s dangerous but not fatal.

The better question is what happens after the election. Either way, we’ll have a President that half the country views as illegitimate

thor47
thor47
Reply to  Krautokee
8 years ago

It was like that when Bush defeated Gore, and we survived. But Bush wasn’t convinced he was God like Ms. C is.

Yankee Girl
Yankee Girl
Reply to  thor47
8 years ago

I have been pondering recently about the Bush-Gore 2000 election horribleness. IMO if Gore had been awarded the Presidency, we would not have had Barack Obama to contend with. Bush & Co would have returned to Texas and been forgotten. We would not have mourned their passing from the scene as they were such lousy avatars for Republicanism. I’m pretty sure Hillary would have been eliminated, as well, and she and Bill would have had no reason to remain in the DC limelight, as I am certain President Gore would have made clear. Al might even have stayed married to… Read more »

Andy Texan
Reply to  Yankee Girl
8 years ago

An interesting conjecture for a college seminar or over a beer with friends. If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

firefirefire
firefirefire
Reply to  Yankee Girl
8 years ago

Sorry,’but you Lost me at “If”. Let’s leave the fantasy world to the Lefties.

thor47
thor47
Reply to  Yankee Girl
8 years ago

Hmmm, I think democrat semen is an environmental toxin.

FaCubeItches
FaCubeItches
Reply to  thor47
8 years ago

Bush was also a bumbler and had all the aggressiveness and ruthlessness as your average fruit fly. Clinton may be as, or even more, incompetent as Bush, but she’s like a roided-out wolverine on a three week PCP and meth bender.

Christopher S. Johns
Christopher S. Johns
8 years ago

This woman is a demented loon, and until Z’s post, I’d never even heard of her before – she’s the very definition of a GOPe bottom-feeder. A quick look at her twitter shows her to be a supporter of gay Mormon CIA deep-state cuck McMullin, who isn’t even on the ballot in a good number of states. This is ballyhooed by her as an example of her exquisite “principles,” which she makes a point of displaying should anyone actually be paying attention. Also by her reckoning, the GOP should have denied Trump the nomination, despite his having won more GOP… Read more »

Christopher S. Johns
Christopher S. Johns
Reply to  Christopher S. Johns
8 years ago

Oops. That should of course be “moral preening.”

Did I just out myself as a Freudian?

thor47
thor47
Reply to  Christopher S. Johns
8 years ago

Do not make any jokes here, thor. Do not.

Doug
Doug
8 years ago

Another pathetic NeverTrumper is Dave Blount of Moonbattery.com he used to be great at documenting the insanity of the left. Now he is merely doing that for his own insanity. Followers have dwindled to a meager circle jerk.

Emeritus
Emeritus
Member
8 years ago

It would appear that Mme. Wright is following the family tradition that got her French Grandmother a rather severe haircut in 1945. Perhaps she is Jonesing for a position in Hilary’s Cabinet as Follicle Reparations Czar.

mhjhnsn
mhjhnsn
8 years ago

Are you sure Wright (and similar) does not actually support Clinton and is doing so as part of an “under cover” operation, possibly paid? A campaign that will put up children as shills to ask pre-set questions is hardly above offering “conservative thought leaders” some rewards in return for undermining Trump’s support. And we certainly know there are plenty of potential takers who would not see that as morally compromising, given 10 minutes to rationalize it. This may strike you as a conspiracy theory, and I suppose it is. But the moral position of Wright (et al) is so transparently… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  mhjhnsn
8 years ago

My standard operating procedure these days is to assume that every single thing is fake and phony until I have reason to believe otherwise. Helluva way to go through life, but there it is.

Herrman
Reply to  thezman
8 years ago

The shallow facade is on purpose. When they hold up three fingers, and demand you to say you see four, and you do, they win. It’s an oldie but goodie.

notsothoreau
notsothoreau
Reply to  thezman
8 years ago

They just don’t bother any more. CBS this morning said that Trump is not going into areas where he is behind in CO, just going where the faithful are. No mention that Hillary isn’t even campaigning any more. They pay more attention to the made up stuff (the Trump accusers) and no attention to the real stuff (Wikileaks). I don’t see any way this ends well. The media, like the Never Trumpers, feel like things will go back to normal after they elect Hillary. I don’t see how we ever get back to normal

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  notsothoreau
8 years ago

The whole “polls” thing has been fascinating. In recent weeks, Trump has trended lower, in virtual lockstep with the lower trend in the percentage of Republicans polled. At first the polls were head to head, Trump vs Clinton. People started asking why the third party candidates were not included. Voila, third party candidates included. Then the question of why Hillary was not polling over 50% overall. Presto, she starts polling at 51%. Then the question of complacency on her side, since she is so far ahead. Poof! Back to 48% for her. This is all on my Bloomberg feed at… Read more »

Montefrío
Member
Reply to  Dutch
8 years ago

I’ve never been able to understand the poll thing. Why on earth would I care what the voting preferences of others might be? I make my evaluation of the candidate’s platform, more important to me than personality), the candidate’s record, the sort of supporters the candidate attracts and cast my vote accordingly; it’s been that way since I first cast my vote in 1968, back when one still had to be 21 to vote (I’d likely amend the Constitution to make the minimum age 50 now). Do these ridiculous and clearly biased polls actually influence anyone? Does press coverage? Can… Read more »

Notsothoreau
Notsothoreau
Reply to  Montefrío
8 years ago

Why, yes they can hide all the dirt. CBS mentioned Wikileaks but nothing to see there! They didn’t mention the staffers let go because of the Project Veritas tape. As for the polls, Norah O’Donnell looked at them and said “Doesn’t this mean the election is over?”

LetsPlay
LetsPlay
Member
Reply to  Montefrío
8 years ago

Sir, you forget the Sheeple love to flock together and that means being one of the “herd.” Others, just want to be one of the front runners, they want to be able to say they “voted” for the winner as the polls were calling it. It makes it easy so they don’t have to use any brain cells as you do to make your own decision.

LetsPlay
LetsPlay
Member
Reply to  notsothoreau
8 years ago

I saw where TPTB have gotten Ecuador to cut off Julian Assange’s internet access so he cannot post his Wikileaks stuff against Hillary thus interferring with the election. If their concern is interference, then they should pull CNN’s license and shut them down because they are doing far worse at manipulating the election.

Striver
Striver
Reply to  thezman
8 years ago

>Zman: Or, are they really just not bothering to put any effort into it?

They are in the “all hands on deck” mode, which means the “quality” of the output suffers. See the Dutch’s comment above about Bloomberg on how it’s meant to be done with their best people.

Lorenzo
Lorenzo
Reply to  thezman
8 years ago

I believe I posted this longish quote from Theodore Dalrymple here once before. I promise not to do it again, but it seemed too appropriate to miss one more chance to get it out there. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the… Read more »

Solomon Honeypickle IV
Solomon Honeypickle IV
Reply to  thezman
8 years ago

Tomorrow belongs to me.

Drake
Drake
8 years ago

Pretty good description of why I now rarely read and never comment at Reason.com. They are all-in supporting the hippie and bashing Trump. Being a DC, NY, LA outfit, they tend to avoid the topic of Clinton as much as possible.

Member
8 years ago

Z-man, your last lines of the Germans claiming ignorance reminds me of a lecture I heard years ago. This history professor had a lecture on the Holocaust that was so popular that it was always held in a large auditorium. The whole thing was great but the part that struck me was at the end when he addressed the same subject. He said we can’t be sure how many ordinary Germans knew what was happening in the death camps but we have this. He then read an official letter sent to a death camp commandant by the council of the… Read more »

Member
8 years ago

Z, I’m surprised you’re still allowed on Twitter.

JTwig
8 years ago

I’m emailing this link to anyone I think it will make a difference to, which sadly is not as many as it should.

Dutch
Dutch
8 years ago

I am working very hard on my steely-eyed “you own all of this!” response.

wtoo jones
wtoo jones
8 years ago

They can call it by all the high minded names they want, but it’s a stupid move. Sometimes I think it/s social media – people go public and can’t back down.

CaptDMO
CaptDMO
8 years ago

Gosh, maybe if I just sit here in the dark, and practice solving Rubik’s Cube, I can claim
“I knew nothING, I saw nothING, ” and all that”history” stuff will just go away!

King George III
King George III
8 years ago

Comparing Clinton to Hitler is like comparing a great leader during an hour of desperate need to a psychopathic, narcissicistic, greedy nitwit with insecure lines of communication and a penchant for covering her tracks.

tamaleman
tamaleman
Reply to  King George III
8 years ago

Classic KG3 Hitler admiration, knew that was coming!

King George III
King George III
Reply to  tamaleman
8 years ago

I wonder why everyone who goes against the Progressive party line is Literally Hitler.

Solomon Honeypickle IV
Solomon Honeypickle IV
Reply to  King George III
8 years ago

I am Hitler.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Solomon Honeypickle IV
8 years ago

We are all Hitler.

alzaebo
alzaebo
Reply to  Dutch
8 years ago

I’m with Hitler.

Solomon Honeypickle IV
Solomon Honeypickle IV
Reply to  Dutch
8 years ago

hahaha glad someone got the Spartacus reference 🙂

james wilson
james wilson
Reply to  King George III
8 years ago

The irony is this–if Progs get their way and things simply continue on as they are without interruption we will arrive at a time when Adolf will be proven not a villain but a prophet.

Alexander Dumas
Member
8 years ago

I asked her what she owed her neighbors, who trust her to have their back.

Alexander Dumas
Member
Reply to  Alexander Dumas
8 years ago

She says her vote is not beholden to her neighbor. “Nice” neighbor my ass!

Alexander Dumas
Member
Reply to  Alexander Dumas
8 years ago

Sweet mercy, she is a Christian. I am bound to pray for her, that she find a better pastor and/or church.