Why They Hate Us

The other day I turned on Fox News and was presented with Britt Hume opining on the state of conservatism and where it goes after the election. I’m going from memory, but he said something like, “The Conservative Movement was about low taxes, small government, muscular foreign policy and opposition to abortion, among other things.” He then went on to point out that Trump is none of those things and that those issues are not featured in his campaign.

What struck me about what he said is there was no trace of self-awareness. No mention of the fact that the Conservative Movement lost on all but the foreign policy stuff, and that has been a disaster. The tax bite has not changed very much since the 50’s, despite endless rounds of tax cuts and tax reform. Government has grown like a weed and social issues have all moved in one direction, with amazing speed at times.

A theme here over the years has been the fact that the Conservative Movement has managed to conserve nothing. The reason they are in a crisis is the same reason a losing ball coach finds himself in jeopardy. People will tolerate only so much losing. A salesman, who cannot close deals, gets fired, even if he is the nicest guy in the world. What’s happening today is Official Conservatism™ is being fired.

There’s something else, I think. A useful tool for understanding the world is this. You can learn a great deal about someone by looking at who he hates. The same is true of groups of people. Yankee fans, for example, are indifferent to Mets fans, but they detest Red Sox fans. The reason for that is the Mets are always terrible and pose no threat to the wellbeing of Yankee fans. The Red Sox, on the other hand, are almost always a problem.

Official Conservatism™ hates Donald Trump and they hate the people voting for him. That’s been a bit of an eye-opener for people. When Hume detailed Trump’s deviationism, he was dismissive and condescending. He then had that gold plated phony George Will come in and dismiss Trump and the people supporting him as knaves and fools. The segment was ostensibly about Official Conservatism™, but it was really just an excuse for the two of them to bash Trump.

Take a look at this column from Mona Charen the other day.

If she wins (a bigger “if” today than a week ago), it will be due only to the Republican Party’s suicidal decision to nominate and support a pathological narcissist/con man — a figure utterly outside the parameters of acceptability for public office. Any public office. So as culpable as Democrats are for nominating a person who ought to have been disqualified, Republicans are even more irresponsible for risking the terrible powers of commander in chief to someone most elementary school kids would regard as emotionally unstable.

Just look at the language used here. If she were describing Hitler, would she use a different tone? More important, is it anything like the tone and language used to describe Clinton? Clearly not and that’s the tell. These are people driven purely by hatred of Trump and by extension those who support him. Hillary Clinton could probably promise to revive the Holocaust and Charen would support her, simply because she hates Trump.

The question is why do they hate Trump and his voters so intensely?

I don’t think there is a single answer, but a big part of it is purely personal. No one likes to see their mistakes and failures made public. The people at the core of NeverTrump are the same people who sold us neo-conservatism in the Bush years. What is happening now is a delayed reaction to the massive failures under George W. Bush. Trump made his mark in the primary by humiliating Jeb Bush and that was not an accident. Trump is the repudiation of Bush and the neo-cons.

There’s another bit here too. The Official Right™ has defined itself to the Left by who it hates. Purging people from their ranks has been an integral part of how modern conservatives define their thing. Naturally, when challenged, they fall back on the old ways. The trouble is all their name calling and threats have been met with jeers and laughter. They lost all of their moral authority so they can no longer simply scold the dissenters into silence.

Finally, there’s the creeping realization that their brand of conservatism is all hat and no cattle. Their moral preening and appeals to as yet undefined principles are just postures. In the end, their thing was just a jobs program for people unable to do productive work. As one of the moonbats at the post points out, it is a movement with no base. No matter what happens Tuesday, the pro-Trump people will never forget these traitors or welcome them back.

After liberation, French women guilty of “collaboration horizontale” were dragged into the street to have their heads shaved. It was punishment for betrayal of their people. The Dutch did the same, but they also sent their collaborators to work camps in New Guinea. Many were simply shot, of course. Immediately after the liberation, almost 200.000 Dutch citizens were interned in camps and prisons and put on trial. Sadly, this is not what awaits the traitors of NeverTrump, but at some level they know they will never be “us” again.

 

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Monty James
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Time to think of a new name for a new party. Let the name “Republican” sit rusting next to “Whig” on the trash heap of History.

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I suggest “The Reagan/Churchill” party.

And the Whig name may have been rusting, but the Republican name will rot.

Haxo Angmark
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by all means, idjit. Name it after the guy who let the (((neo-conz))) in the door…and the the (((neo-conz))) favorite warmonger, bloody imperialist, and genocide artist: Churchill. That’s sure to work. Actually, the time for “political parties” and “elections” is about over.

Obama\'s boyfriend
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Haxo demonstrates that he has earned his Soros gild today. Exactly who ties your shoe laces for you Haxo?

richard feibel
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THANK YOU OBAMAS BOYFRIEND ,IDIOT ZIOJEW WHORE

Woman of Torches
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Very true. Sadly, truth triggers these totally clueless scaredy cats. Still parroting Nazi big bad Boogeyman Hitler Goodwin nuggets. Overall great article. Conservative/Republican Party has been infiltrated, and is just a hollow shell of what it used to be. Much like our religions and Educational institutions. The only enthusiasm they muster up is for destroying Israels enemies with our men and money, and shamelessly exploiting the low taxes and free market aspects, which normally is great principles of freedom, ( unless you’re a dual citizen sociopathic vampire with a contempt for Nationalism unless it’s the chosen strip of blood soaked… Read more »
richard feibel
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ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!! .WHERE HAS JOHN THE RIVER BEEN??

King George III
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The Republic seems to be well and truly dead.

Long live the Empire.

Doug
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There is something they hate more than us dirt people, like nothing else, secession. There is pretty damn much no going back to the “old days”, not in the sense we remember them. We are going to have to create our own new good old days, it is a long term project for sure. The political elite is trying to create an anarchists criminal oligarchy, where the only rule, for them, is there are no rules but the power to rule over us dirt people. When the backbone of this country starts thinking that laws and rules are not worth… Read more »
JohnTyler
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Many forget that the Civil War did not begin when the states seceded. It began when (hot head) South Carolinians started the shooting war by bombing Ft. Sumter. Prior to that, Lincoln, and most northerners, realized that he had no justification for sending troops to attack the Confederacy. Ft. Sumter’s bombing gave Lincoln the excuse he needed to respond to the aggression. The South really made two gigantic mistakes; starting the shooting war and seceding to maintain / expand slavery (a worse justification to secede cannot be found). Today, the states must convene a Constitutional Convention to restore the primacy… Read more »
Obama\'s boyfriend
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The North lit the fuse with their constant increases in tarriffs. Lincoln’s refusal to allow Southern states to leave peacefully was the cause of the conflict. If you had any education you’d know that the Constitution was ratified only because three states demanded the right to leave the union for any reason, and when the other states agreed to this these three states ratified the Constitution. Now my poorly educated friend, try and guess what those three states were and why Lincoln rushed headlong into a war that caused the deaths of over 650,000 Americans and destroyed the unity and… Read more »
Woman of Torches
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Oh, you mean like a “terrorist attack” so he had to spread democracy?

Omega3
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Trump said the other day that he was going to change the Republican party into a “Worker’s Party”. I wouldn’t mind a party with that in there somewhere.

BlindMan
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American Worker’s Party?

orabilis
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No, no, no.
Any party with the name “workers” in it is overtly redolent of communism.
Working Families Party is a wing of the left, Soros, and all that.
The name is designed to suck in, fool, and deceive ordinary Americans, especially: workers.
It is progressive to its core.

Come up with something else.

Mr. Frosty
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The American Taxpayer Party

Nacnud62
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How about “Taxed Enough Already ” Party? Or we could just use initials.

firefirefire
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How about The “Reality Party” because Wishin’ ain’t Fishin’.

Member

The obvious choice: “The Constitution Party”.

Member

I love the clip of Brit angerly trying to silence an NC pundit who was explaining the futility of voting for McMuffin in NC. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/11/04/brit-hume-fumes-when-nc-vote-futility-for-evan-mcmullin-is-exposed-on-air/comment-page-2/

Dutch
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That’s a video clip for the ages. Look at the anger in Hume’s face. Poor baby is not happy.

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To me, conservatism is Reagan and Reagan conservatism was all about 1) Love of America, 2) Strong Military and 3) Economic prosperity for all.

To me, Republican conservatism is about 1) unquestioned fealty to free trade dogma, 2) collusion with the left in forcing big government schemes and liberalism on the public (global warming, RomneyCare, immigration), 3) warmongering and unnecessary provocation of Russia, 4) hamfisted outsourcing of jobs, 5) adoption of the left’s hedonistic lifestyles (Denny Hastert) and 6) Israel, Israel, Israel.

And they wonder why they don’t have a base of deep support?

King George III
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Reagan amnestied the first 3 million illegal alien Mexicans.

He successfully shrunk the government by give or take 0%, and he initiated the second great explosion of government and government debt.

He didn’t kill welfare, didn’t restore freedom of association, and didn’t re-establish patriarchy.

He was an extremely charismatic guy, and with that charisma he generated decades of additional legitimacy for a fundamentally broken system.

Let us not make the same mistake he did.

The Beltway Behemoth must die so that the American Nation may live.

RAGE — Retire All Government Employees.

Solomon Honeypickle IV
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Solomon Honeypickle IV

Nor did Reagan respond sufficiently after Hezbollah blew up those marines. He should have annihilated them. Reagan had a lot of real accomplishments, but he does get overpraised today.

DAN III
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Nor did the Neocon Reagan build the Mexican fence. But he did attack firearms freedom with 1986 Gun Control Act. He was a leftist in disguise.

Buckaroo Banzai
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Leftist in disguise is a little harsh. But Reagan let Bush hijack his administration pretty early on. I guess getting shot by a Bush family friend was a pretty clear message that Reagan chose not to ignore.

Calsdad
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He didn’t “let” Bush control the administration – he was forced into it right from the outset. Gary North has detailed this – back room dealings – including the media (Walter Cronkite) forced him into it: http://www.garynorth.com/members/5217.cfm One of the great mysteries of Reagan’s candidacy was why he put George Bush on the ticket. Bush had savaged Reagan in the campaign. He invented the phrase “voodoo economics” to dismiss supply-side income tax cuts. Reagan had sworn to the Right’s leaders that he would not appoint Bush to the ticket. This fact has gone down the media’s memory hole. Conservative political… Read more »
Obama\'s boyfriend
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Dan tells us Reagan was a leftist. Any bets how many times Dan voted for Obama?

Obama\'s boyfriend
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Solomon says Reagan is overpraised today. Compared to whom skippy? Your hero Obama?

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Were you drawing breath when Reagan was President? Who controlled the Congress? How many things that you listed went to the Congress to die? How many Air Traffic Controllers would argue with your shrinking the Government comment? Ask any labor attorney or Union person who will honestly tell you what a profound kick in the teeth his firing PATCO did to them in the 80’s and 90’s. Profound. Reagan did what he could with what he had, and his number one priority was fighting the USSR… and he HAD to let other things go. He prevailed on the USSR even… Read more »
LetsPlay
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Max, you are spot on! You can tell a lot about the comments above whom these people really hate. And what I presume from these comments is that none of them, and they can correct me if this is not true, have never held a leadership or position of responsibility of major significance where they can empathize with someone in Reagan’s position. You can tear anyone to shreds for what they did or didn’t do, or how they did it, but they were the brave souls in the arena facing down victory or defeat where those who stay safe never… Read more »
King George III
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The President has less power over the government than the average freshly-minted CEO. If one does not hold power, one does not have authority. If one does not have authority, one cannot have responsibility. If one does not have responsibility, one cannot have accountability. In modern parlance, a man with a government accountable to him is called a “dictator”. I don’t empathize with Reagan. Reagan was weak. Reagan rolled over and got with the program. Reagan was a coward. A great man would have stood up for his people by any means necessary. A great man would have knocked off… Read more »
jdallen
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For a long dead Englishman, you and I are surprisingly in agreement.

Obama\'s boyfriend
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Jdallen and King Skippy just formed a club of “one.” Handpuppets anyone?

Obama\'s boyfriend
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Gee another hand puppet! Do we really need to hear all these Obamaists bray such irrational and illiterate nonsense. My guess is this clown wasn’t even born wwhen Reagan was in office but does turn East and pray to Castro three times a day, after which it sacrifices to Stalin and Marx.

Woman of Torches
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AMEN. Instinctively, women are repulsed by this legion of weak, insufferable, apologizing,effeminate men. Similar to Feminism, it’s intended to repel gender harmony. On the flip side: Bitter, competitive, vicious white men are internalizing that frustration and sense of powerlessness and displacement, and in turn behave in a very unnatural, catty/woman like way when interacting with us. Meanwhile, women running around like obnoxious, shrill, lazy, overweight, hookers with ZERO self respect and are earning reputation as pump and dumps/Green Card gateways and are destroying our men one child support/family court scheme at a time. We must fix this, or settle in… Read more »
Paul Bonneau
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Reagan had a Senate R majority for 6 of his 8 years. He also had the veto. I didn’t see him vetoing any budgets. Reagan was like Obama when it came to debt – a huge expansion during his term of office.

Some people are not paying attention. There are no good presidents and haven’t been, since at least Calvin Coolidge.

Ganderson
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I agree with you about Coolidge. Here’s Mencken’s take: ” In what manner he would have performed himself if the holy angels had shoved the Depression forward a couple of years – this we can only guess, and one man’s hazard is as good as another’s. My own is that he would have responded to bad times precisely as he responded to good ones – that is, by pulling down the blinds, stretching his legs upon his desk, and snoozing away the lazy afternoons…. He slept more than any other President, whether by day or by night. Nero fiddled, but… Read more »
Obama\'s boyfriend
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Gee you missed the senile trope there skippy.. If what you say were true, and who can contest the fact that you were there to see it, then I pray we have another preisent guilty of what you accuse Reagan of rather than a really active critter like Obama striding across all those luxury golfcourses every week insuring the security, prosperity and happiness of the average American. Isn’t it strange how much better we are with Obama in office than with Reagan. Why Reagan never matched Obama’s unemployment numbers yet he had more than 25 million more workers in the… Read more »
Obama\'s boyfriend
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Paul tell us how many years he controlled the House. Crickets. Nice to know you can control the budget process when half of your senators were RINOs who wouldn’t back you, even then. But hell, facts don’t matter to losers like you do they skippy?

King George III
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Max, all that is precisely why no man who aspires to change the course plotted by the Leviathan on the Potomac will ever do so within the restrictions of the office of President.

Obama\'s boyfriend
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Gee the only things Reagan did were to defeat that greatest threat to the USA without firing a shot in the face of liarers like yourself. He turned around the US economy creating tens of millions of jobs and creating decades of prosperity. Reagan only defeated raging inflation in excess of 15% annually and reduced it to 4% something no other politician has done in this country. Reagan successfully rebuilt the military after being gutted by the democrats after Vietnam, reducing it to tatters. Reagan reduced government regulations by the ton, something pinheads do not like to point out given… Read more »
Oregon Hobo
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Reagan… oh you mean the guy who enthusiastically helped get the gun control snowball rolling in California while he was governor there? Anyone recognize this quotable quote regarding the Mulford Act of 1967, outlawing open carry in the Golden State? “I don’t know of any sportsman who leaves his home with a gun to go out into the field to hunt or for target shooting who carries that gun loaded.” Indeed… sentiments one could expect to hear from any modern-day leftist anti-gun congressweasel or Bloomberg astroturf shill. How this guy generates so much worship among the allegedly pro-2nd-Amendment crowd is… Read more »
J Palmer Cass
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Worth noting that the French and the Dutch did what they did after the war was somewhere down the road. While there was danger from the Germans they were all goody-two-shoes. And complicit in the murder of their Jews.

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I know this is going to send people scurrying for cover and no, I am not advocating mass extermination, but did you ever think that their dislike of the Jews might be legitimate? Jews are associated with behaviors people find distasteful. In fact, Jews are at the forefront of pushing their causes, which often involves normalization of those distasteful behaviors. Most people don’t realize that a not-insignificant number of Jews are anti-christian bigots, and they look at the world from the standpoint of undermining Christian norms. Read this article from the Jewish Quarterly celebrating the Jews’ involvement in the pornography… Read more »
The Bagman
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It’s no mistake that a group that has defined itself always and everywhere as outsiders has been consistently against the main groups amongst which they’ve lived. To the extent to which they have been tolerated aliens, this opposition makes them covert enemies. To the extent to which they have been accepted as co-citizens, this opposition makes them traitors.

And we all know how we used to deal with traitors.

Member

Hindus are peaceful here. In India there are gangs of them that go around murdering Christians.

Solomon Honeypickle IV
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Solomon Honeypickle IV

The Hindus were absolutely blood thirsty during the partitioning; beastial.

SteveF
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A lot of groups, not only religious groups, are peaceable when they’re in the minority. As they grow as a percentage of the local or national population, the demands grow and the aggressiveness grows.

A.T. Tapman
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It is called achieving critical mass. A common phenomenon in 21st century America.

Kookyspooky
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AMEN. For some reason, despite throwing millions away on money, casualties, and rearranging and redefining an entire inhabited region On the map, We cannot get rid of these international invasive termites. They refuse to stay the fuck out. #109 times flat out BANNED as a people. Self awareness or personal reflection status? Zero. Nobody else in history has been nor ever will be so utterly devoid of any foresight nor appreciation for the very people whos religious principles of forgiveness have been the only reason the barrier to global peace hasn’t been ERADICATED once and for all. They are a… Read more »
Ganderson
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The Dutch were an interesting case. They probably had more collaborators AND more resisters as a % than any other occupied country.

Emeritus
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Out here in fly-over country, it’s called “Ride for the Brand”. You draw their pay, you punch cows their way. Half the boys on the Lazy 8 might have spent two seasons with half the boys on the Rockin’ H, but when the fight’s on, it’s your bunkhouse against theirs. Come snowfall, they will all be looking for better pay and easier work as the brothers they always were. The thing that universally unites their ire, is a new Rancher, which is why we have the Trump Rodeo and Stampede. Different is always reviled by the old hands, until they… Read more »
soapweed
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If’n that ain’t the straightenist skinny………

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After six weeks, one ‘Trump’ yard sign is gone. And, no, the local police do not take reports on stolen ‘Trump’ signs.
The ‘Trump’ banner flying from a flagpole on the porch is untouched…
…ignore the dog (he’s friendly) beware the owner.

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My neighbor quit putting Trump signs out.. they kept getting stolen. After 3 times, he’s doing what the rest of us are… voting Trump, but can’t show support because of the culture of inclusion.

Paul Bonneau
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I had that happen to me once. I put the replacement sign up in a holly tree. If the thief wanted that sign so bad that he was willing to climb something as evil as that tree, he was welcome to it.

Wilbur Hassenfus
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In Falmouth Foreside, Maine (doctors-and-lawyers suburb of Portland), some crazy liberal lady got arrested for attacking Trump signs. Pretty funny.

UKer
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Everything moves left in politics, so the Tory conservatives in the UK glibly talk about supporting the original Labour policy on health — the overburdened and understaffed, foreign health-tourist supporting NHS — rather than have an alternative idea. Of course, maybe there are no other ideas; the choice facing us is that people either die of complications from a broken limb or you work hard to stop the flow of blood from drunks who have fallen, insensible, on their beer glass. Someone has to pay and jolly Joe Public is as good as any one so the NHS idea doesn’t… Read more »
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Kell
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It might have helped if the “conservatives”, formally known as republicans, had even remotely TRIED to CONSERVE something of the REPUBLIC they claimed to serve when elected but only managed to conserve he KY stains on their shorts when barry was finished with them! They caved and showed themselves to be cowards when it came to CONSERVING our way of life! Republicans have NO ONE to blame but themselves for whatever happens Tues!

Kookyspooky
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Honestly, so many of them are dual citizen nepotistic imposters, they probably ran out of Gov Cushy overpaid jobs on the left, so they just ushered overflow to the right side of the Aisle and stuck them there.

The Bagman
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Watching the hysteria on the so-called-right almost gives me a sentimental twinge. I can almost believe that some of them were dupes themselves, and genuinely believed they were leading an opposition to the left. We and those like us have known for some time that they are merely another face of the ruling uniparty, but perhaps there are some who genuinely have not understood the source of their unpopularity.

Al from da Nort
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“What is happening now is a delayed reaction to the massive failures under George W. Bush.” At least that’s been true for me. I stayed invested in GWB and the neocons, etc. far too long on account of his contemptible domestic enemies. As was GWB, I was in the military during Vietnam and was stung by the stupid waste of it all. I thought he, and I knew I had seen this movie before and knew how it ended. The transparently hypocritical, opportunistic and frankly anti-American actions of his critics, often the very same people as with Vietnam, lead me… Read more »
Old surfer
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Really good points AlNorte. Bush II was stabbed in the back by the usual suspects, same cowards that ditched South Vietnam. Pretty much the same bunch of turncoats are behind the Never Trump crap. party labels matter not at all.

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Bush got some really bad advice about being noble and not standing up for himself and that history would judge… et al. Well… He ended up making everyone who supported him and his war, the troops, all, look like idiots as the left lied, cheated, and muddled everything to get their political chit. That’s all the left wanted, and as soon as they got it… they were fine with wars here and there and overthrows and handing out money, etc… as long as they were the ones in charge. History will not be kind to Bush 43.
Old Codger
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Bush II was a willing collaborator with his friends and fellow globalists.
How “noble” was creation of DHS and passage of the Patriot Act?

Obama\'s boyfriend
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I’m with you. Different wing of the same bird. Bush’s father announced he was voting for the Hildabeast, and I’m sure he will too.

Old Codger
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Bush II was not stabbed in the back! He regularly collaborated with the Left ,as a member of the Uniparty.
Time to take off your Bush blinders and accept W as part of the problem; not as being back-stabbed.

Twodees Partain
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True. W refused to even talk about prosecuting Clinton once he gained office. Clinton could have been prosecuted for his actual crimes, which were much more serious than what the Congressional impeachment was based on. The Clinton Crime Family could have been dismantled in 2001, but W wasn’t interested. Actually, W is a moron. He was openly controlled by his VP and his cabinet. Trump seems to be allowing the old line republicans into his circle. He will probably make Giuliani his AG. You can count on Giuliani to give as much cover to Clinton as Lynch has been giving… Read more »
Old Codger
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“GWB’s critical geo-strategic error before starting Afghanistan* & Iraq was”…being born a member of the Bush Crime Family! W was just Poppie’s stooge as a member of the Clan. Globalist and admitted NWO-ers, the Bush CF is in it for benefit of the Elites. They never were “Conservatives”, of any sort. Anyone willing to use their brain will recognize 9/11 was an ‘inside job’ of the worst kind: killing Americans for monetary benefit of the Elites and using that disaster as an excuse for the Patriot Act, the DHS and an attack on Afghanistan, then later Iraq; neither of which… Read more »
Deplorable Black Man
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To me, Bret Stephens launched this NeverTrump war against the base (as opposed to just Trump himself) in his August 31, 2015 column when he declared “If you don’t find Trump appalling, you’re appalling.” At that point I was not a Trump supporter, but was certainly not opposed to him either. But that remark was eye-opening. One of the amazing things about this election is how each side of the GOP has used Trump for its own purposes. The base has used Trump as a giant middle finger to Conservative, Inc., and Conservative, Inc. has used Trump as an excuse… Read more »
SteveF
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“If you don’t find Trump appalling, you’re appalling.”

The proper response to “you’re either with us or against us” is “fuck you”. Accompanied by biting their throat out, if you can manage it.

LetsPlay
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Rip that sucker out with your fingers!

james wilson
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Stevens has changed his position without ever admitting to that. Not his best moment on either end.

kokor hekkus
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What Conservative, Inc. likes is very simple–money– from the billionaires who like open borders and constant war.

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I take no particular pride in saying this, but the hate felt at this point is entirely mutual. My opinion of Conservative, Inc. must be quite similar to the feelings of a conman’s victim after being swindled out of something valuable. I wouldn’t have thought it possible, but I’ve actually grown to despise Quislings like Will and Goldberg and Nordlinger more than the likes of Harry Reid. Reid is deplorable indeed, but I know who he is and what he stands for and he hasn’t spent the last 25+ years treating me as a mark to be exploited. I think… Read more »
FaCubeItches
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“a part of me wants to see the apparatchiks in Conservative, Inc. waiting tables or making frappucinos next year after their donors pull their funding and the invites to appear on NPR or PMSNBC dry up.”

If they lose their jobs with Conservative, Inc., they’ll just re-flag as something on the reasonable/sensible Left.

Old surfer
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But now we at least know who some of them are!

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“The movement without a base” piece is deep. The writers at NR and “Weakly Standard” (pun intended) are part of the DC hive, smart guys and gals who create think tanks and journals and inflate their value to give themselves a feathered nest at the expense of the hoi polloi, the builders and truckers and hod carriers and small businessmen who bear an increasing burden of carrying the load. There are several groups of parasites sucking the life out of the nation. The obvious easy target is the underclass, the blacks and poor whites from dysfunctional families and cities and… Read more »
kokor hekkus
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When the MSM collapses, it will be tough on the cuckservatives…..But worse things can happen to them…

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Where I come from, betrayal marks the end of a relationship and the beginning of a lifelong enmity. It’s a first principle.

kokor hekkus
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There’s an old saying that if you have one bullet left, shoot the traitor, not the enemy.

Chiron
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When Trump is elected President he will have a Congressional hearing on media bias, he also should create his on TV channel and newsites.

ChiefIlliniCake
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I have been saying loudly (and repeatedly) since 2008 that the first Republican candidate with the stones to make a clean cut from all things Bushian would be a landslide winner over the hated Barack Obama. Whatever good principles and patterns installed by President Reagan were quickly given the needle by H. W. and his blinkered lad W, and soon enough, the “Conservatives” became the party of only slightly less massive government, One World circle-jerkism, endless effing wars, fruitless nation building, and selling out the rubes in “Flyover Country”. Well, The Don shot a medium-sized middle finger to all of… Read more »
ChiefIlliniCake
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I hate Avatar dysfunction.

thor47
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I like that description a lot better than ED.

james wilson
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Trump has done a service, however unintended. Most here would prefer to have experienced the awareness gained in a Trump loss than what inevitably came next in an unlikely cuck win. But even a Trump win is a detour, not a change in direction. I speak with many different young people and women. The old Republic is quite dead, the Empire metastasizes. It needs no evil genius to direct it; health is a chore and disease is especially natural to a democracy. The only thing the Athenian mob that sentenced Socrates would need to fit perfectly in urban USA is… Read more »
Old surfer
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“Most here would prefer to have experienced the awareness gained in a Trump loss than what inevitably came next in an unlikely cuck win”
No! A Trump win opens up all sorts of possibilities, a win by Clinton closes the door on all positive paths and pretty much guarantees loss of Liberty for the dirt people. Next stop box #3.

Solomon Honeypickle IV
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Solomon Honeypickle IV

And now that they have been ejected from *our* tribe, they belong to no tribe at all. they are of no use to the left any longer, and will be shunned by them as well.

A.T. Tapman
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The neo-cons will take their rightful places in the left, openly. I remember an article by the despicable Bill Crystal extolling the virtues of Big Gov. This was about 15 years ago, but to those like Crystal it is not strictly about the size of Gov as long as the Gov is big enough to fight wars for Israel. They want whatever is good for jews, and Big Gov offers the easiest path to that outcome.

Old surfer
Guest

The rightful term for neo-con may be RINO. Personally I find the antisemetism in your remarks a bit disturbing, it seems to be cropping up in more and more places, not just you and not just here. I’ve always thought we had grown out of that.

Guest

I don’t think it’s anti-semitic to point out that our policy of supporting Israel is why we have a big bull’s-eye painted on our backs.

I also don’t think it’s anti-semitic to point out that the Jews involved in foreign policy are stirring up the majority of crap between the United States and Russia.

MSO
Guest

Our support for freedom, liberty and self-determination is the proximate cause of the bulls-eye on our back. Israel, Australia, Britain and others benefit from our help just as we benefit from theirs.

Kookyspooky
Guest

That’s one helluva drug

A.T. Tapman
Member

This is how noticing is attacked. Would you like me to apologize for adding 2+2? It will always equal 4.

Tim
Guest

Right on, Old Surfer. When I encounter anti-Semitism in a comments section, it’s a roll of the dice whether you’re dealing with a weak minded fool, or someone conducting an ugly masquerade designed to throw a spanned in the works.

Buckaroo Banzai
Guest

“it seems to be cropping up in more and more places, not just you and not just here. I’ve always thought we had grown out of that.”

Outgrow that? Hmmm. Jews have been kicked out of 104 different countries in the last two millennia. Think about that for a minute. Either the whole world has been irrational about the Jews for 2000 years…or not. Then consider that works out to one country roughly every twenty years. It seems like we’ve got some catching up to do.

Old Surfer
Guest

I’d take a look at who has been responsible for a huge percentage of human progress. The human race needs these people, this country need these people, and antisemitism looks an awful lot like envy to me.

Kookyspooky
Guest

No, we really don’t. Maybe staying in the Country we handed Jews on silver platter plus lifetime of Welfare could have been enough. Nope, a race of devious pests that will not stop antagonizing HUMANITY until the world cheers for their eradication

Kookyspooky
Guest

And flag moderate censor all u want. 10 more will crop up in my place. You deserve it

A.T. Tapman
Member

I suggest you review a list of the biggest donors for both parties. (((coincidence)))?????

Lorenzo
Guest

Zman, I know this is your site and I like your stuff, but you might give some thought to which readers you want to attract and which ones you let the anti-Semites repel.

A.T. Tapman
Member

Looks like we have another enemy of (((noticing)))

Tim
Guest

Lorenzo. Agreed. My baseline is let the comments roll, etc., but antisemites are like an infestation of cockroaches. They drive all the worthwhile tenants out of the building. Tim

Lorenzo
Guest

Tim,
The thing is, I like Zman’s stuff, will continue to read it regularly and don’t care what’s in the comments. Because he has a refreshing take on things and writes well, I like to refer people to his articles. But I don’t want to have to start explaining to friends and colleagues that I disagree with the triple nested parentheses crowd, nor do I want to bother with a “please ignore the comments” disclaimer in my recommendations.

Calsdad
Guest

Neo-conservatives – are not conservatives at all in the American tradition. I basically think of them as liberals who wanted to blow shit up. They support big govt. , they support the welfare state, the support massive overseas intervention – etc.

All of these things go directly against the founding principles of the country IMHO.

Twodees Partain
Member

The neocons are definitely leftists. They are the political descendants of Trotskyites and they infest both parties. You can get a new dog in the White House and he gets the same old neocon fleas that infested the old one.

james wilson
Guest
“The rightful term for neo-con may be RINO. Personally I find the antisemetism in your remarks a bit disturbing, it seems to be cropping up in more and more places, not just you and not just here. I’ve always thought we had grown out of that.” 1) The true Republican In Name Only is a right wing conservative. Lincoln’s party was the party of radicals. By 1933 the Democrats just figured out they could do them one better. The so-called RINO IS the real Republican. Pay fucking attention, it’s 2016. 2) The Jewish political DNA is as deadly to liberty… Read more »
Old Surfer
Guest

Be glad Dr Salk was around. The Jews I know are creative and libertarian and I’m glad I have them on my side. Trains to Auschwitz? that’s sounding both paranoid and demented.

james wilson
Guest

A libertarian is a progressive without the self-awareness or courage to say so, and you are the type who is not astute enough to separate principal from dissembling.

Old Surfer
Guest

Perhaps you can enlighten me as to the correct terminology for freedom-loving patriotic individuals who believe in the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence, and who are willing to fight to restore and protect the United States?

Obama\'s boyfriend
Guest

Right jews are libertarian! What is the biggest voting block for the dhimmierats? The Amish?

Sam J.
Guest

There were other vaccines around when Dr Salk’s was picked. The Jews need to quite pretending that only the Jews can design vaccines. Guess which one is the primary one in use today. Not Salk’s.

Member

It’s important to grasp that Jews have been organizing anti-white genocide for decades. Start here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQrL49JKCXo
Other key terms to search: Chabad Lubovitch, the International Jew, B’nai B’rith controls Freemasonry, Talmud anti-gentile quotes, Zionism and the New World Order.

Member

This is like in the old gangster movies where some new guy takes over the gang. At first the old leader is allowed to hang around because he might be useful, but you find out he’s always looking for a chance to stab you in the back and you realize he needs to be killed.
I have two books written by Mona Charen. I will never buy another, but I will think of her every time I walk past the appliance section of a department store. Lots of nice big ovens.

Christopher S. Johns
Guest
The proof – if proof were needed – of the pathological insincerity of these Conservative, Inc. asshats, and ultimate cause of their undoing, is immigration. Not only did they fail to limit government and conserve middle-class family values, the state is now lawless leviathan under the control of a party whose ideology is to serve the unending expansion of the state. That state seeks to destroy the middle-class and the nuclear family and it has done a fine job so far – but the job is not yet finished. The final nail in the coffin is that the state seeks… Read more »
Solomon Honeypickle IV
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Solomon Honeypickle IV
When you think about it, it was Obama who actually unmasked GOPc, by his blatant abrogations of the law. When they did nothing, and even passed his legislation and budgets unimpeded?! Well that was the GOPc being stripped nude in the public square. Trump picked up on it and ran, made them pay. But Obama could have easily done things as he wanted, without completely humiliating them. but humiliate them he did; thoroughly. and now the cucks like Jonah and Frum are likewise revealed and unmasked, albeit indirectly, by Obama, and directly by Trump.
Member

Yeah, the GOPe has fought Trump and Trump supporters at a level unseen versus Obama or Democrats… and I noticed. I never heard any of that class speak about Democrat voters the way they’ve spoken of me. I’ve never heard the passion in an argument from them ever that reached the disdain they’ve spewed about Trump EVER aimed at a Democrat. No, they’ve clearly shown their spots now. Laid bare. Let the feast begin.

Member

I would suggest that the commentary we are seeing has far less to do with personal preferences than with who signs their paychecks. The Washington Generals, the perennial opponents of the Harlem Globe Trotters, were actually very good basketball players but winning was not in the script.

Dutch
Guest

Never underestimate the power of a reliable paycheck to shape one’s opinions and attitudes.

Buckaroo Banzai
Guest

Being the “designated loser” is a pretty comfy job. No real responsibilities, and all you have to do is follow your partner’s lead. Only real qualification is, don’t have a conscience.

David Zincavage
Guest

What did you ever win, you mouthy douchebag?

David Zincavage
Guest
Reading your ex cathedra tripe, you’d think that Alt-Right shitbirds had landed on the moon or discovered the cure fir cancer. All you numbnuts have done is talk and talk, and support in the primaries a non-conservative, non-Republican Reality TV celebrity charlatan businessman. Glory, hallelujah! The Conservative Movement merely took over the GOP, elected Reagan, and won the Cold War. You nominated Trumplestiltskin. There is a very good chance he’ll lose, in a year in which any reasonable Republican candidate would be producing a landslide. This year, I hope we keep the House. But keep telling everyone how inadequate intelligent… Read more »
Member

Interesting. Could you provide some links?

Christopher S. Johns
Guest

Your piece of shit candidates all lost to Trump, decisively – a guy with no political experience and no organization. Jeb Bush was too busy running for president of Mexico to bother running for the nomination of his own party. That’s the GOP today.

And your guy is cucklefuck McMuffin, a Mormon deep state regurgitation of Mitt Romney’s, who is so incompetent he’s not even on the ballot in some states. You and Erickson can go masturbate to your intelligent conservative principles on your own blogs.

Member

Numbnuts. Shitbirds. Tripe. Powerful stuff. You should be writing for Hillary, or Bill Maher.

Wilbur Hassenfus
Guest

You lost. Your kind always lose, in every sense that means anything. If we’d nominated a cuck and he actually won, we’d get open borders, more government, another leftist Supreme Court justice, and probably another retarded war.

That’s why your cucks didn’t get the nomination.

Buckaroo Banzai
Guest

Your salty butthurt is most delicious. Now, gas yourself, you oxygen thief.

Member

See what I mean?

Member
Reading your ex cathedra tripe, What, the Zman is infallible? you’d think that Alt-Right shitbirds had landed on the moon or discovered the cure fir cancer. Is “fir cancer” anything like Dutch Elm Disease? I hate to use the word “subtext” but given the subtext of a lot of the regulars’ posts, I’m pretty sure that a lot of us have built businesses or successful practices, made original contributions in science or engineering, or have played key roles in one community or another. Which is why we are so damn mad. We keep watching idiots who’ve never done anything but… Read more »
Member

All of my HTML tags seem to have been stripped from the text, but you all can probably figure out where my comments begin.

fodderwing
Guest

You go, baboso. Trump was the only candidate from either party who understood money as “earnings” rather than “revenues.” The man is a cool breeze.

Member

I’ll bet he is the only candidate who understood the difference between an expense and an investment. You could make a case for Fiorina, but given the way she ran Lucent and H-P, I’m pretty sure she doesn’t at a gut level really know how to tell one from another.

LetsPlay
Member

About Fiorina, that’s the damn truth! I was at HP when she was coming in with her East Coast hoard who were bent on demolishing “The HP Way.” It was their version of a “fundamental transformation.” I voted with my feet, never looked back, and feel vindicated that I made a smart and righteous move. My stock options would have been worth nothing for more than ten years if I had exercised them thanks to her, her successor and the dumb shit BOD. And now … Meg Whitman??

Diane D
Guest

Take comfort in the fact that the Libtards can’t feed themselves. It will all work out…

Andy Texan
Guest

We are certainly devolving in too many areas of human endeavor. Can food or toilet paper shortages be far behind? Let’s ask the Venezuelans, shall we?

Ray in Toombs
Guest

There have been some insightful comments here, but for me the story merely identifies more names for the list.

Dutch
Guest

I am just old enough to recall hearing all this stuff before–about Reagan. How he was an idiot, Bedtime for Bonzo, he would destroy the Republican Party, he would start WWIII. Same old, same old.

Seems like the best Republican presidents were the ones in affiliation only, not party insiders. I’m thinking Harding, Coolidge, Eisenhower, Reagan. Add Trump to the list. I have been telling people “you own who you vote for”. I’ll take the chance on the orange man. Hey, I’m “Dutch”, after all.

Guest

My “other half” is Dutch. if you ain’t Dutch, you ain’t much!

Buckaroo Banzai
Guest

Can you Dutch boys tell your relatives in the old country to man up and start Operation Remove Kebab?

LetsPlay
Member
I love how the Left says “Republicans” nominated Trump. He might be the flag bearer at this point but Republicans did not nominate him. It was the DEPLORABLES! The amount of vitriol coming from those who are supposed to be anti-socialism, anti-corruption, pro-American have lost sight of the fact that the political class formerly known as conservatism is DEAD. Whatever evolves after this election, and I am betting it will be Trump by a landslide, we need to create a new book called “Liberty for Dummies.” It should elaborate on the words of Benjamin Franklin about having a Republic, if… Read more »
Calsdad
Guest
If there were more than two viable political parties – the “Republicans” wouldn’t have a reason to be so butthurt. It was the Republican party and the Democrat party ( I refuse to call them democratic) – who set up the situation that FORCED the deplorables to take over the party from within. Since the laws lock down any real access to the seats of power by funneling it all thru those two parties – then that means the simplest and most direct way to those seats – is to seize control of one of the parties. This is why… Read more »
Paul Bonneau
Guest

It’s very simple why they hate us. They have their racket going, two wings of the same bird of prey, looting us and exercising political power, telling us what to do with our lives whether we like it or not. Trump and his supporters threaten their setup. They’ll be lucky to get out with their hides intact. Naturally, they disapprove.

firefirefire
Guest

On topic: I never concern myself with why they hate me. I just Live well and Happily,,that seems to piss them off far better than hating them right back.

Old Surfer
Guest

“Living well is the best revenge.”

Nancy
Guest

GREAT ANALYSIS.

Ed357
Guest

“Wrap Him” Hume…..

Such a loser.

Member

The retaliation against “collaborators” in France and Holland was the work of the far left. The average man-in-the-street would never have initiated such outrages unless crimes could be proved. Merely being friendly with or falling in love with a German soldier (and this happened frequently…still does) was no cause for hatred by the average Frenchman or Dutch citizen. But you can be sure the commie bastards were looking for scapegoats and sensational photos for their leftist rags. Somerset Maugham wrote a controversial story about this during WWII.

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richard feibel
Guest

IN YOUR LAST PARAGRAPH DESCRIBING WHAT HAPPENED AT THE END OF WW2.YOU DID NT MENTION WHAT HAPPENED TO THE GERMAN PEOPLE WHO WERE DEMONIZED JUST FOR BEING GERMAN AND BLAMED FOR THE HOLOHOAX.EVIDENTLY YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF GEN EISENHOWER AND HOW HE HUMILIATED THE GERMAN PEOPLE BY MAKING THEM GO INTO THE CAMPS AND CLEAN THEM OUT JUST BECAUSE THEY LIVED IN A TOWN NEARBY A CAMP.THIS DEMONIZED THE ENTIRE NATION AND GAVE WAY TO THIS HOLOHOAX LIE.THAT THE GERAMAN PEOPLE HAVE BEN SUBJECTED TO FOR 8 DECADES.

The Political Hat
Guest
Conservatism isn’t a movement. It isn’t even a constructed ideology. Rather than being procscripting, it is descriptive, and mandates no particular movement, strategy, or plan. It is the common refrain of the Alt-Right that they are not conservative and “what have the conservatives conserved?” What conservatives have tried to do is fight back against overwhelming odds against the Leviathan the Progressive Left have built up, an to act as stewards for, and conservators of, out great civic heritage. That the odd have been, are, and will continue to be long, does not contradict this. It is ironic, though, that it… Read more »
Member

I see anti-semitism, apologists for the confederacy, and Reagan hate. If this is the new direction of conservatism, I’m out. Donald Trump is Al Sharpton for white people.

sgt. york
Guest

Maybe some of the hatred stems from the fact we all knew Hillary would be the nominee and literally anyone else could have beaten her soundly (in the election) but instead the nomination went to the one person likely to lose to her. You might not like Mona Charen’s words, but they’re are not inaccurate.

Member
They and Us are at fundamental loggerheads. In cases such as this it is meaningless to argue over who is “right” and who is “wrong”. This is a divergence of worldview, a difference of opinion. But here is the rub: Us, the Deplorables who have (past tense) made up such a large and active segment of the Republican base, did not gain entree into the Republican scheme of things by promising to support Them come what may; They, on the other hand, have acquired the power and prestige and perquisites of their respective offices by promising to represent Us. And… Read more »
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