The Tribal States of America

The other day, I heard someone use the word “kike” in public. I can’t remember when I last heard someone use the word in conversation. My grandfather would use it, along with WOP, Spic, Mic, Jew, Polack and other colorful euphemisms. That was just the way men of his generation spoke to one another. One of his old friends was Italian and he called him a “Guinea bastard” so often it may as well have been his given name. In turn, his buddies would call him a commie, a rook, a pinko, etc.

That was a long time ago. In our sensitive age, people are afraid to mention the race of a crime suspect, lest they get accused of blasphemy. The result is we get crime bulletins from the news that tell us the suspect is tall and bi-pedal. In fact, I’ve learned to take some pleasure in mentioning race in conversation, just to see the honkies flinch. Blacks and Hispanics never flinch, but honkies are so beaten down they come close to tears at the mere mention of race or ethnicity.

In the incident the other day, no one seemed to notice, although I probably missed the context. Still, I was bit surprised to hear the word in public. I don’t think “kike” was ever a slur as it has no negative connotations. It’s roots are supposedly from Ellis Island, but that could be apocryphal. It’s also possible the people I overheard were Jewish, and they were owning the insult, in the same way blacks use the word “nigger” in every other sentence. Given the complexion of the people in the room, my guess is they were not Jewish.

The hand-wringers all swear that we are reliving Weimar Germany and Trump is the 12th invisible Hitler the prophecies foretold. The inevitable result is the Cossacks galloping through the streets of Jewish neighborhoods. Maybe so, but I’m skeptical. Trump seems to get along well with the Tribe and he seems to love his Jewish grandchildren. He has quite a few Jewish advisers and business partners. Maybe they are not making Hitlers like they used to, but my hunch is he is not Hitler and we are not Weimar Germany.

Still, the special position for Jews in American may be changing. It’s impossible not to notice that the roster of people leading the opposition to Trump reads like a Manhattan law firm. It’s also hard to not notice that people with a precious metal in their name are wildly over-represented in America’s ruling elite. It’s fair to say that Jews in America are the new WASP’s, a narrow ethnic group that dominates the ruling classes. Instead of Pemberton and Prescott in the overstuffed leather chairs, it’s Goldstein and Silverberg.

As a result, it will become increasingly acceptable to make sport of the Jews, just as it was acceptable to make fun of the WASP’s in the prior century. I grew up in a time when all the rich people were portrayed by Hollywood as a cartoonish version of the Monopoly guy, plotting with others in the elite to block the advance of the lower classes. The horse-faced actor William Devane made a career out of playing the sinister WASP at the head of a conspiracy against the swarthy people, excluded from the best golf clubs.

I doubt we’ll ever see Hollywood treating elite Jews that way, since Hollywood is run by Jews, but you never know. The movie War Dogs was not very sympathetic to the two Orthodox Jews at the center of the story. Still, mockery of the new ruling elite will probably be restricted to the on-line culture, which is increasingly where people get their enjoyments. The Right Stuff’s podcast The Daily Shoah is a good example. It’s a blend of commentary, locker room humor and Family Guy style mockery of the Chosen People.

Whether or not this is a sustainable arrangement is debatable. Whites in American have never been anti-Semitic and have largely accepted the reality of Jewish success in America. In fact, most whites take some pride in it, seeing it as validation of America’s meritocratic culture. The millions of Muslims being imported will obviously be hostile to this arrangement. Hispanics and Asians don’t seem to care. Progressive whites, on the other hand, are increasingly anti-Semitic, suggesting there is a war brewing among the Cloud People. The Democrats coming close to putting Keith Ellison in charge is a good example.

There’s something else to consider. There are a decent number of Jews in the Dissident Right, supporting Trump and often sympathetic to the alt-right. For example, the news site Breitbart is run by Joel Pollak, an Orthodox Jew. Mickey Kaus has been on the forefront of the patriotic immigration issue. It’s entirely possible that American Jews will come to view multiculturalism and open borders as suicidal, because they are bad for the Jews. Israel, after all, is pretty much the opposite of what the American Left advocates.

It’s fair to say that the America now passing into history was one built by the northern WASP elite, that emerged after the Civil War. These were the men who got rich in the Industrial Revolution. They built a country in their image. They wanted to conquer the world and they did. The people in charge now, in the technological age, will remake America into whatever they believe will suit their purposes. The Tribal States of America will reflect their interests, their cultural prejudices and their view of what’s best for the people in charge of the country.

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Terry Baker
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I think the word “kike” comes from German Jewish immigrants to differentiate themselves from Jews of eastern Europe origin carrying loaves of kikel (sp?), a bread stuff. The German Jews felt culturally superior and this was a stereotype they used.

Please correct me if anyone knows better.

Buckaroo Banzai
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The story I heard was, when the Jews arrived in america at Ellis Island, they would mark the checkboxes on their paperwork with a circle (“Kikel”) instead of an “X” because they considered that a sign of the Cross.

TomA
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I must be getting very old. I remember when my father’s generation used to refer to loose women as “broads.” Also, my memory is that the use of these terms was habitual and reflexive more so than declarative and hurtful. In other words, it was more about casual communication than deliberate ad hominem. In that era, if you really did throw it out as an insult, fists would fly soon thereafter.

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I was told not to call chicks broads.

Doug
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I remember that too, when people talked straight. People understood those cultural nuances for what they were, and behaved like brave and proud adults accordingly. If anything, you had a thin skin, you where considered weak. My Grandpa called one of his best friends “his favorite coon”, in return he was called “my favorite redneck”. My grandpa friends wife was Hawaiian, they would have a Hawaiian Lua cookout every 4th of July to die for. Those two would get to drinking and carrying on, what a great time. They loved and respected each other and showed it by insulting each… Read more »
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I think the bagel tribe has long been the most fair-game minority to stereotype and poke fun at for the reason you suggest – success.

Having such an outsize presence in entertainment and comedy in particular certainly has an impact too. Gotta have a sense of humor.

Contrast this with the most taboo group to make fun of or criticize, blacks. The least successful by most measures.

kokor hekkus
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The bagel tribe is highly nepotistic, and reflexively hostile to Northern Europeans like Trump gaining any power…Americans began to notice this fact about 30 years ago. As they have gained increasing control of the US media, they have attempted to suppress such observations, while increasing the behavior. Male members of the tribe now run 100% of Hollywood studies and 100% of the MSM…..

YIH
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/walt-disney-s-grandniece-backs-up-meryl-streep-s-racism-claims-anti-semite-check-misogynist-of-9064138.html Note that, the charge that Walt Disney is an ”anti-semite”. That he wasn’t exactly a fan of jews (and for very good reason, they nearly destroyed him early on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney#Early_career:_1920.E2.80.931928) and he’s been known to express his displeasure about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC9V9GkoiSg But a Nazi (or supporter)? NO. But the real reason I bring up Disney is due the company’s fate after his death. Pre-1984 Disney had a stellar reputation for clean, quality all-ages entertainment – as well as it’s US patriotism. In ’84 due to a heavy debt load from constructing/opening EPCOT as well as slumping movies, the sharks… Read more »
Nunnya Bidnez, jr
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Saul Steinberg was a very short-term investor … he owned Disney stock for only about 6 months, before selling it back to the company. His initial investment, if I remenber correctly, was less than $60million, and he made about $20million profit selling it back to the company. Disney considered it “greenmail”, sort of like blackmail; it would have been a hostile takeover, unwanted by the Board of Drirectors. They did not want Saul taking over the company as an outsider, and were willing to pay him to go away. Saul saw great value locked up in Disney. Previously, they would… Read more »
Anonymous White Male
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I have often wondered about whether or not Walt Disney was eliminated by the tribe for just the purpose of taking over the highly influential and visible company. A company with a history of moral fortitude would be invaluable in introducing debilitating concepts into the public. Concepts like homosexuality, “diversity”, feminism, all the nasties that have infected our culture today.

Severian
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Everything now said about Jews used to be said about Catholics, especially “they’ll always favor Rome [Israel] over America.” Unfortunately for the Jews, they’re often recognizable by sight — Paddy O’Houlihan might be an Orangeman, but Schlomo Goldstein is definitely a Jew, especially if he *looks* like a Schlomo Goldstein. So Schlomo will experience subconscious distrust from a lot of folks, even while eating a bacon-smothered hot dog at the ballpark, and Paddy won’t, even though he wears a hair shirt and goes to mass eight times a week. Whether that’s good, bad, or indifferent is beyond my pay grade… Read more »
Clayton Bigsby
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What a great flashback… My old man and his friends and most of both side of my family of mic’s spoke just like that, and as the 60’s were coming to an end, it was starting to change …. But All in the Family was still a pretty good mirror…. which was very popular and we loved the Jeffersons too…. I remember being mortified when my dad told the neighbor that “that they hired a new nigger gal down at the hardware store…. and she was, incredulously, REALLY GREAT “!! not a hint of racism, or being derogatory ( other… Read more »
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PewDiePie did nothing wrong.

Ganderson
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Ya, but he’s yust a dumb squarehead doncha know…

Recusant
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I’m not sure that the Jews will last anywhere near as long as the WASPs. For no other reason than that the rate of out-marriage is now so vast: apart from the ultra-Orthodox in Brooklyn, how many Jews now marry, yet alone raise children, within the faith?

james wilson
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The ultra-Orthodox are a separate nation, like the Amish. They are involved in business, but not the ones that we are speaking of–propaganda. The (not ultra) Orthodox are also having large families, so it is the very nature of American Jews that may change. Faster, please.

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The Jews culturally lack the ability to control the outrageous behavior of members of their group when it comes to dealing with outsiders. Think pornographers, shady financial scammers and Hollywood big shots trying to undermine healthy society: these parasitic and destructive groups are largely Jewish and yet there are no Jews who are able to criticize publicly these guys as Jews. They are unwilling to call out members of their group who hurt members of other groups. Even friendly outside criticism of these bad guys as Jews is instantly rejected as anti-Semitic. The principal of group solidarity overrides even self… Read more »
james wilson
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It occurs to me that whites are no less ruled by their own sociopaths, even as we were once still free to criticize them. Sociopaths are the natural rulers in a democracy.

Buckaroo Banzai
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“It does not excuse or justify in any way the Holocaust”

Well, except for the fact that “The Holocaust”® didn’t really happen. A lot of Jews died in the camps due to starvation and disease at the end of the war, which is simply what happens in prison camps on the losing side of any war. Meanwhile, a million or so Germans died in Eisenhower’s internment camps right after the war– something that was entirely preventable. I wonder when Hollywood will start making movies about that?

Al from da Nort
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I have been to Israel a number of times, both business and tourism, and can back up Z Man that it is most unlike the Jewish sub-culture here. A favorite Israeli joke: An American from N York goes to Israel for the first time. After looking around for a few days he can’t hold it in any longer and asks the tour guide, “Where are all the Jews_?”.

Sirlancelot
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I miss those days. Back then we truly had free speech. It was fun to break each other’s balls and use the stereotypes that came with every ethnicity. The Irish were drunkards, the Jews were cheap, the blacks were lazy and the Italians were braggarts ( or as we used to call them “dig- me’s” ) And now we carry on like soulless drones speaking only of the weather and sports. Hiding our resentments behind closed doors to the point we are a nation divided. Thank you liberal Progressives. Life is so much better now ( insert sarcasm )
Ganderson
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PJ O’Rourke’s Foreigners Around the World- still amusing.

originalguest
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But it’s counter-semite, if anything!

Because they are the tip of the spear of leftism, and you can not oppose one without locking horns with the other, or am i wrong? It’s like the dual alliance of Germany and Austria-Hungary before WW1, attacking one will drag the other along, the two are interwoven.

Being conservative is by definition and DE-facto anti-semitic.

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The battle lines in the war between vanilla white Progs and Jewish white Progs will be drawn along the same lines as the Israelis and the Palestinians. On one side, a mildly technocratic, technological, modern, secular, society. And on the other a thuggist, anti-modern, totalitarian, death cult. Based on the “resistance” movement, the vanilla Progs have chosen the latter side.

edwhy
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Haven’t heard that old chestnut in many decades. Went back-east to school in the mid-50s and found out about Jews (in California, everyone I knew was Episcopalian, every Catholic and Jew of us). A true anachronism.

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I don’t think “kike” was ever a slur as it has no negative connotations.

Not quite sure what you mean by “slur” here, but the word certainly has an ugly sound to my ear. Not quite as bad as the dreaded “N-word that must not be named”, but it’s in the same order of magnitude.

Brooklyn
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“Still, I was bit surprised to hear the word in public. I don’t think “kike” was ever a slur as it has no negative connotations.” Kike started out as a upper class German Jewish slur against lower class Russian Jews and eventually spread out from there. Nothing much has changed since – the Jewish secular upper classes hate the Orthodox lower classes with a passion. Thats part of the Trump hate – its not that he has a Jewish daughter and grandchildren but that they are the wrong kind of Jews. (Ivanka converting to Orthodox Judaism is seen as a… Read more »
Marina
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The undercurrent here is that there are two kinds of Jews in America: the Orthodox and everybody else. Non-Orthodox Jews intermarry at staggeringly high rates. My aunt married a Jewish guy, so I’ve got two half Jewish cousins. A lot of gentiles I know have Jewish relatives by marriage, especially if you grew up in/near a big Jewish population center or went to a selective college. Intermarriage is so routine, to the point where I just assume that any young person with a Jewish surname has a non-Jewish mother and according to Jewish law, isn’t actually Jewish at all. Liberal… Read more »
DiogenesLamp
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Long live the Orthodox!

Nunnya Bidnez, jr
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Marina said:
“I read in the paper that the most common baby names in Brooklyn are Chaya and Moshe.”

Ha! not in Bay Ridge, nor Kensington. the most common name around here is Mohamed.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr
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Marina said: “…causing seismic shifts in the larger Jewish world, because the Orthodox have their own schools, camps, charities and foundations that have very different priorities than liberal Jews, and they aren’t interested in funding the liberal Jewish/leftist charities American Jews have historically supported.” That is the most important thing for everyone else to understand. There are two seperate groups of jews, lefty irreligious ones, and religious ones (as well as a smattering of conservative non-religious jews). Don’t hate on all jews because of the small minority of commies and liberals. In any case they are intermarrying themselves out of… Read more »
DiogenesLamp
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Orthodox Jews are in most cases our allies. They actually believe in God; a concept which is central to Western Civilization.

Doug
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I find it very interesting so many ignore the 800lb gorilla in the room. Ignore the obvious. How can that be? More than 50 million dirt people voted for President Trump as NOT status quo selected next regime place holder. It wasn’t Trump, or anything else from bigotry to ideology when you get down to the crux of it, it was us dirt people. Dirt People. Even when the greatest fuck you to the status quo in modern history smacks them upside the head, a color revolution in living color prime time, so many still don’t grok it, Take this… Read more »
Jim in Brooksville
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Well congratulations for striking a mighty blow against political correctness. You used the word “nigger.” The speech police will be at your door any minute. I have grown so tired of hearing “the n word.” If someone calls someone a “nigger,” lets recount the story accurately. How absolutely silly to hear great people (I’m thinking of Rush) recount a story by saying Jessie Jackson called Al Sharpton the n word. And Al replied “No Jessie, I’m not a n word, but you’re a n word.” If someone uses the word “nigger,” let’s report the story accurately and stop filtering our… Read more »
Chriscom
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I’m a baby boomer who grew up in the eastern U.S. including Long Island if that helps frame this comment: Kike has always been a slur, at least during my lifetime, which is why it’s largely gone the way of the Dodo just like the other terms you cited.

jhstuart
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It occurred to me what has changed in the last two generations. I grew up in a lower-middle income part of a city that included practically every ethnic group imaginable, although no Muslims. Yes, those epithets would be thrown around liberally BUT they didn’t include any attendant adjectives or adverbs. I have decided that is the difference between then and now. Before it wasn’t personal, now it is to our detriment very much so. The current generation’s, including the asshats at Middlebury, for example are too emotionally invested in destroying anyone who is not their kind or disagrees with them.… Read more »
Mike Pitzler
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“There’s no Jew or Gentile in Christ Jesus.”

Here’s John MacArthur, an evangelical pastor, on how to vote biblically, and it’s 14:30 minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5faLnufN_Q

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