The Corporatist Enterprise

Fascism is word that no longer has meaning, mostly because the left has made it the catchall term for anything they currently oppose. Even adjusting for that, no two academics can agree on a usable definition of fascism. Paul Gottfried, who has studied the subject more than anyone alive today, makes the point that fascism was a lot of different things, even to its advocates. It was an anti-movement, a reaction to and rejection of things like modernity, radicalism, and liberalism.

That is not a fair rendering of Gottfried’s thoughts on the subject, but it is a useful starting point when thinking about historical fascism. The book Fascism: The Career of a Concept is an excellent entry point into a topic for those interested in a sober minded history of fascism. An aspect of fascism that rarely gets discussed in the current age is its corporatism. Fascists, particularly Italian fascists, were corporatist. Mussolini saw the state as something like an organism that transcended all institutions.

The most famous expression of this is the line from Mussolini’s Doctrine of Fascism, “everything in the state, nothing against the State, nothing outside the state.” The state not only provides the services expected of the government, but it also provides the spiritual purpose for those in the state. The individual exists only in so far as his interests as an individual correspond with the interests of the state. The state is an organism that defines the citizen.

This is often used as the description of totalitarianism, but that is not an exactly accurate comparison. Bolshevism, for example, was indifferent to the spiritual life of the citizen, only focusing on the political and material life. That is the striking thing about Italian fascism versus Marxist movements. It attempted to give purpose to the life of the citizen, beyond his material utility. Instead of viewing the citizen as an economic unit, fascism saw the citizen as a heroic part of the great struggle.

This spiritual appeal can be seen in the modern managerial state. Politics is becoming all consuming. You cannot watch a movie or sporting event without being barraged with messages about “who we are.” Trump sounds like an anachronism, because he talks about bread-and-butter issues, while the rest of the managerial elite focuses on esoteric topics like “who we are” and “our democracy.” By democracy, they mean the managerial system and culture.

It also shows up in the modern conception of the business enterprise. It is not enough to have a job. It must give purpose to your life. It must be part of the great struggle that helps you reach your potential in service to the great cause. You see that in this story about a firm that forces its employees to embrace vegetarianism. Read about the company and it sounds like a religious mission. It used to be that businessmen only wanted to make money. Now they are priests.

It’s why rank and file employees of new style companies like Constant Contact feel the need to moralize from their cubicle. The young woman doing this is not merely a bonehead functionary. She sees herself as committed to the cause of the company, which is a holy cause. It is not a place where she performs tasks for money. It is what defines her life as a person. Led by tech, the managerial enterprise is not just an employer to its hired help. It is the defining feature of their lives.

The historian Ernst Nolte described one aspect of fascism as “theoretical transcendence” which he called a metapolitical force. Fascism sought to go beyond what exists in this world, toward a new future that was free of the restraints on the human mind. It imagined a world that was free of class, poverty, ignorance, and material restraint. That is what the modern managerial enterprise preaches. They are not just selling a service. They are changing the world.

The bizarre nature of the modern enterprise, where it describes itself as a mission to change the world, is one result of democracy. It obliterates local institutions, leaving the citizen as a stranger to himself and his fellow citizens. The corporation fills this void by providing a structured environment where the employees share an identity and see one another as on the same team. The managerial enterprise becomes both the local community and the church for its people.

The trouble is that a business is primarily about making a profit. Social activism keeps running up against the profit motive. Short of state sanctioned monopoly power, the corporate enterprise must compromise its values in order to make a profit. This is why democracy must favor monopoly. You see this with media companies, where the government encourages collusion and combination. Amazon enjoys massive subsidies, as it obliterates all other forms of retail.

This dynamic between the growing cultural power of the corporation, and its greater dependence on the state for protection, results in a merging of the two. Walk around a government campus and you see the modern corporations. College presidents now call themselves CEO’s, not because the college has become a business, but because both are now part of the great mission. The line between the state and the private sphere no longer exists because it cannot exist for both sides to thrive.

This is why gun grabbers, for example, have turned to corporations to advance their gun grabbing agenda. The state failed to ban guns, so now banks, media companies and retail monopolists are stepping in to “solve” the problem. In the not-so-distant future, you will have the unfettered political right to carry a gun, but no one will sell guns because it is practically impossible. No “private” enterprise will do business with a gun maker or a gun retailer. Individual rights are worthless without individuals.

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Dutch
Dutch
6 years ago

The big company I work for leans hard left, and overtly so. They even have a political PAC that pounds the table to collect from employees and then donates the proceeds to lefty causes. I have often wondered why they do this, and have come up with two explanations. The first reason is that the risk they run in getting sued and dismembered is not from the right, but from the left. They are simply buying off the ones that could take them apart. The second reason is that the lefties more often really do identify with the company. They… Read more »

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  thezman
6 years ago

Z Man;

So Middle School Mean Girls/Cool Kids Lunch Table is the new tribalism_?

What’s today’s equivalent of going viking and enslaving the lotus eaters as was done under the previous tribalism_?

Dtbb
Dtbb
Reply to  thezman
6 years ago

Secret ballot?

Dtbb
Dtbb
Reply to  Dtbb
6 years ago

Scratch that. I missed your point.

Tax Slave
Reply to  Dutch
6 years ago

Can you view Zman’s blog from your desktop? I can’t from mine here on campus. I use my phone—making sure the wifi is turned off lest I be outed as a “racist!”

Teapartydoc
Member
Reply to  Tax Slave
6 years ago

I have never set my phone to even recognize campus wifi at all. Not at the hospital, either. Evil fuckers running everything.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Teapartydoc
6 years ago

Amen brother.

BestGuest
BestGuest
Reply to  Dutch
6 years ago

I had a similar experience. The company I worked for brought in a nun who worked with homeless teenagers to give a talk about her organization. At the Q&A I asked if it wouldn’t be better if we wrote checks directly to her mission rather than the lefty third-party sponsors? Everyone did just that. Afterwards I was told in no uncertain terms that if I hadn’t been critical to the project I was working on I would have been canned. Apparently denying the lefty virtue-signalers their cut off the top was BAD!!!

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  BestGuest
6 years ago

OMG. They’re in it for a cut, padding multiple revenue streams. No wonder they “believe” so strongly.

ReluctantReactionary
6 years ago

This post is an excellent follow up to Z’s podcast on Libertarianism. Libertarians and An-Caps tend to see the state as an adversary, but have a blind spot when it comes to other powerful governing bodies (Coroprations, Universities, etc.) Moldbug is remembered for coining the term “cathedral” to describe the ideological trinity of media, universities, and state bureaucracy, but in the same essay he also described the “synopsis” to explain how intellectual conformity is created by entities which are not officially part of the state. The new right has succeeded in pulling in most of the open minded Libertarians. How… Read more »

AntiDem
Member
Reply to  ReluctantReactionary
6 years ago

One serious flaw in libertarianism is its inability to process the idea that whoever can tell you “no” and make it stick is effectively your government, no matter what they may officially call themselves. If I want a gun but Bank of America can deny me the ability to buy one, then they have, in effect, made a law and come up with an enforcement mechanism for it, which makes them, in effect, my government. In response to this, libertarians can only shrug their shoulders and assure me that the Invisible Hand of the Market will come and rescue me… Read more »

Mark Taylor
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Reply to  AntiDem
6 years ago

Can’t you just use another bank.

Berty
Berty
Reply to  Mark Taylor
6 years ago

Yes, you can use another of dozen or so large banks out there. Of course, there’s a decent chance they’ll all agree on this policy.

DeBeers Diamonds
DeBeers Diamonds
Reply to  Berty
6 years ago

Most countries only have four large banks. The US is unique in maintaining smaller regional banks and nonprofit credit unions. The growing power of Woke Capital could see the US following the rest of the developed world in the aftermath of a future banking crisis. The Right should consider using the regulatory power of the Fed to prevent this.

calsdad
calsdad
Reply to  Berty
6 years ago

The US is chock full of smaller banks. There is absolutely no reason why you cannot use one of these smaller banks or credit unions and in fact at this point if you still have your money in one of the larger banks you’re part of the problem and not part of the solution. I have had my money in regional credit union for going on 15 years now. The money got moved when Bank of America swallowed up my previous relatively large – but still regional bank. The rates went to shit, the service went to shit – and… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Mark Taylor
6 years ago

All Anglo-American Banks are effectively part of the US government because the US government guarantees their loans and “insures” their “deposits”. Speaking as a former libertarian, we’d actually be freer with nationalized banks, because they’d be at least somewhat compelled to follow constitutional law. Imagine PayPal and Stripe not being able to deny service based on “hate speech”!

calsdad
calsdad
Reply to  Lance_E
6 years ago

LOL.

Nationalized banks are the direct road to government sanctioned out of control inflation of the money supply.

As soon as the politicians find out they can vote themselves free money – that’s exactly what will happen. You want to destroy society? Pretty sure that’s a pretty direct way to do it.

MtnExile
MtnExile
Reply to  Mark Taylor
6 years ago

I think you’re missing the point. The bank isn’t working directly on AntiDem, but on the gun store that no longer exists because it couldn’t get a loan or credit card processing or even a checking account, so it went out of business, leaving the neighborhood without an FFL holder to sell or transfer guns. And there are still, of course, gun shows; but as a step-by-step process, what the banks and credit companies are doing is intended to impose de facto gun control. The questions are: what do they hope to gain? and from whom will they get it?… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Mark Taylor
6 years ago

Credit card companies are also getting into the jihad against the right. Mastercard, in particular, is starting to shut of services to the right.

phaedris
phaedris
Reply to  My_Comment
6 years ago

I just read somewhere recently that Soros made a sizable investment in MasterCard. Somehow, I can’t imagine the two events are unrelated.

UpYours
UpYours
Reply to  AntiDem
6 years ago

Hammer meet nail, beautifully put. A slave does not give a shit about which boot is on his neck, a government boot or a corporate boot. Lolbertarians and pro-bidness cuckservatives are fine with a boot on your spine as long it has beautiful livery.

TomA
TomA
6 years ago

The model you describe has been a fundamental feature of Japanese businesses for about a century now, i.e. reflexive loyalty and sacrifice to the corporation, long work hours, hive behavior, and parroting of fealty slogans. However, the human animal was not evolved to a worker bee and that environment leads to all kinds of dysfunction and degeneration. The resulting dependence is a disease, and it kills robustness.

Berty
Berty
6 years ago

It’s surprising to me how long it took conservatives to begin noticing that large corporations are in fact their enemy.

UpYours
UpYours
Reply to  Berty
6 years ago

Quite pathetic actually, corporate fellating reached fever pitch in the Bush reign of error years along with Israel worship. Better late than never I suppose. BTW, every corporation large or small is the enemy. The small business fetishizing that cucks and alt-right indulges in equally dangerous. The chief employers of illegal aliens are small business “pillars of community”

DeBeers Diamonds
DeBeers Diamonds
Reply to  UpYours
6 years ago

The Bush years saw the collapse of Enron, and then the financial crisis in 2008. Corporations were ripped for being unethical in terms of financial skulduggery, but rarely for moral/environment reasons. There was strong sentiment that the unionized Big 3 automakers deserved to die.

What changed was the Koch(AFP) funded Tea Party, and subsequent attempts to cast Mitt Romney as the “Job Creator”. There was also some concern that the Big 3 would be nationalized and turned into “green” make work jobs. An uncucked Right might have triangulated with a CCC revival.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Berty
6 years ago

I often find myself hoping some of the crap that comes out of our marketing department is pure cynical attempts to profit off of nutters. I know there are some true believing SWJs over there.

On the other hand, the guy being groomed as the next CEO is a conservative a pure profit and margin man.

Ursula
Ursula
6 years ago

It’s ironic that whites being so atomized has played a part in allowing these corporate feudal lords to rise. It appears we’re reaching the point where some large companies, like Google and Amazon, will have employees eating, sleeping and working on campus, never having to leave their corporate campus (feudal fiefdom). (Except in San Francisco where the Leaders-Who-Know-Best have made it illegal to feed the serfs on campus — they must go out among feces and syringes to buy their lunches.) One step away from existing in a pod, plugged in to the matrix.

UpYours
UpYours
Reply to  Ursula
6 years ago

Everybody working for a fucking corpoplantation is atomized. Whites, Blacks, Yellows etc. It is quite hilarious that Google couches their techno-feudalism as “employee benefits”, LMAO and the coolies lap it up. The arrogance of a Google and Amazon coolie is quite entertaining to watch. They think they are the creme-de-la-creme and everybody else is inferior, till I point out that they work for relative pennies so that Bezos can become a trillionaire and they have no life outside their cubicle slave shackledom.

DeBeers Diamonds
DeBeers Diamonds
Reply to  Ursula
6 years ago

Big Tech was able to gain its near-monopoly status because the Right was asleep, thanks to the evil fossil fuel industry Koch Brothers funding Tea Party lolbertarianism. Prior to Trump/Gamergate, any criticism of corporations would get you called a socialist/big gooberment supporter. Tech companies were said to be led by libertarians who would support the GOP when it cucked out on social matter. With normiecons business is still seen as second to only the military in terms of reverence, you have an easier time criticizing cops (unions, gun ban supporting chiefs)

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Ursula
6 years ago

The leader of SF’s did something more Conservative than the Republican ever do.

If you want to be a corporation with all the privileges and its not a right than be part of the community .

A soul proprietorship or limited partnership is private property. Corporations are constructs of the State

That said they have to clean up the messes first

Hoyos
Hoyos
Reply to  Ursula
6 years ago

Ironically, 90% of the work could be done remotely using this thing, I think the industry term is INTERNET.

But hey, being an overseer is fun.

Cloudbuster
Member
Reply to  Ursula
6 years ago

Except in San Francisco where the Leaders-Who-Know-Best have made it illegal to feed the serfs on campus — they must go out among feces and syringes to buy their lunches.

I heard some article about that being proposed, but have they really shut down the corporate cafeteria? A co-worker at another company moved to Google and he invited me up there for lunch one day. Quite a spread, all free.

Ursula
Ursula
Reply to  Cloudbuster
6 years ago

You’re right, did a quick check and it’s still being considered and is not yet law. The thing is, because we’ve imported so much cheap labor over the decades, the labor market is all out of whack. So even though employers really need to raise wages, it’s not happening widely (yet, anyway). Many small and mid-sized companies cannot afford mandatory increases in wages. This is a big problem. It’s why I think we’ll end up with a Socialist in charge. People are poor and want more than a wretched existence and will vote accordingly, even if the Leftists are lying… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Ursula
6 years ago

That brings up a question- how did Karl Marx feel about immigration, anyway?

His philosophical descendents saw it as both a cover and a weapon, but did Marx?

Ursula
Ursula
Reply to  Alzaebo
6 years ago

Alzaebo, It seems Marx was on to the game and perfectly aware of the downward pressure on wages caused by immigrants: “But, Marx went on, the English bourgeoisie also had ‘much more important interests in the present economy of Ireland’—the forced immigration of Irish workers into England: “Owing to the constantly increasing concentration of leaseholds, Ireland constantly sends her own surplus to the English labor market, and thus forces down wages and lowers the material and moral position of the English working class.3 “And most important of all! Every industrial and commercial centre in England now possesses a working class… Read more »

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Cloudbuster
6 years ago

They are going to forbid future cafeterias not shut existing ones down.

Cloudbuster
Member
Reply to  A.B. Prosper
6 years ago

Of course, always pull the ladder up behind you. Established companies will have a perk newer companies can’t offer.

MtnExile
MtnExile
6 years ago

You’re right: as a term, “fascism” is pretty nebulous. Its only close rival for political ambiguity is probably “racism.” But it still has great utility as a “tell.” Back in its infancy, fascism competed with communism for the same voters. They were close cousins, and being familial rivals they hated one another with the intensity of burning suns. “Fascism” became the worst insult a communist could deliver — so everything that opposed them, in the end, became “fascist,” no matter how un-fascist or even anti-fascist it might actually be. Fast forward to today. Everything that opposes the Left is “fascist.”… Read more »

Member
6 years ago

“The trouble is that a business is first and foremost about making a profit. Social activism keeps running up against the profit motive.” Hence the great push to be seen as better than everybody else because you work for “a nonprofit”. “Oh, I work at a nonprofit to feed poor children, and I volunteer at the local battered women’s clinic on Thursdays.” What they always leave out is that “nonprofit” means that the corporation is nonprofit. The individuals who work there can profit handsomely. Which is why so many people grifting off the system as a “nonprofit” live very, very,… Read more »

Saml Adams
Saml Adams
Reply to  hokkoda
6 years ago

Two words. Morris. Dees.

Kendoka
Kendoka
Reply to  hokkoda
6 years ago

You nailed that to a “T”. I’ve seen the same phenomenon for almost two decades now. Lots of people here in blue cities like SF, NYC, Chicago, and especially in DC and Northern Virginia play that game. In fact, it’s how politicians get out of office and make huge incomes. They parlay their political contacts and connections into speaking engagements, meet and greets, and brokering of introductions through non-profit corporations that are paid for the service, either directly or in the form of contributions. The former politicos in turn are paid very, very substantial salaries by said corporations. The people… Read more »

Shrugger
Shrugger
6 years ago

The first warning sign of American corporatism was the diversity movement that got underway in the ’80s. “We need more minorities and women in the ranks because … reasons.” You saw it first in recruiting. White males went through the usual screening–rigorous and technical (this was a high tech firm). HR jammed white women into the pipeline, many obviously unqualified, and would push back hard on rejections. Black, hispanic, etc. men, same thing. “Tough interviewers” (i.e., people interested in the applicant’s ability to do the job) were cut out of the recruiting loop. Black females were wined and dined by… Read more »

DeBeers Diamonds
DeBeers Diamonds
Reply to  Shrugger
6 years ago

A business can face lawsuits/EEOC penalties, not to mention bad PR from a certain Reverend that you must pay off. By contrast, the victims of AA are invisible, as no one is ever explicitly told that a less qualified NAM or woman was given the position ahead of them. White men are supposed to “man up” and “learn to code”, working class men are usually chided by the elite for “not doing enough chores” as if your wife wasn’t nagging you already.

Saml Adams
Saml Adams
Reply to  Shrugger
6 years ago

Not enough space here, but many moons ago, I had to detail one of my staff to write my old firm’s first “Corporate Sustainability Report” and hire a “consultant” to assist in the format and preparation. The stories from that alone will take you to closing time in a New Orleans bar.

Severian
6 years ago

Kinda makes you wish for the old C. Wright Mills, Organization Man in the Grey Flannel Suit days, don’t it? I always thought that was an under-appreciated part of “Mad Men’s” appeal (at least, in the first few seasons when the show was good). Don Draper is a mercenary. He only works to make enough money to be himself (that he doesn’t know what that is, was the show’s dramatic tension back when it was good). No crusades, no company loyalty songs, no social responsibility — just move product.

Teapartydoc
Member
6 years ago

I picked up a copy of Max Weber’s The City published in 1958 and am close to finishing the introduction where the commenter discusses the state of sociological insight into the dynamics of the city as of 1958. It is interesting to see academics struggle with defining a city and what makes it tick, so to speak, applying analogies from biology, Kantian philosophy, ancient family dynamics, evolution of legal theory, etc to trying to establish a generalized view or lens through which one gets the best insight. I’ve read elsewhere that Coke, the great English barrister took a great disliking… Read more »

Teapartydoc
Member
Reply to  thezman
6 years ago

There’s been some talk of a natural return to city-state style government in the absence of any great need for protection. The amount of scaling up for protection always seems to get exaggerated by people who stand to benefit from scaling up. Think about how poleis in the Delian league and Athenian Empire tried to go it on their own and got punished for doing so.

Pericles was nothing but a fucking gangster.

Troll King(-36)
Troll King(-36)
Reply to  thezman
6 years ago

I was sort of thinking this too reading the article. It seems that periods of unusual creativity and prosperity in history (the Greek classical period or the Italian late Middle Ages and Renaissance) have been based around a set of competing city states with diverse forms of government, as of this were the appropriate scale for human cooperation. Large enough for large scale enterprise, but not too large for the individual to get lost in impersonality.

fodderwing
fodderwing
6 years ago

I remember back in the 80’s the very large AT&T office in our city had some sort of Gay Day or something. At the time it was a little odd, but of course according to some folks I knew who worked there no one said a peep. Since then I have watched the Left’s social agenda devour the institutions one job-scared employee at a time.

Severian
6 years ago

PS A. James Gregor is still alive. He’s a pretty dry read, but he’s been working on Fascism since the 1950s.

slumlord
slumlord
Reply to  Severian
6 years ago

He’s pretty dry but he’s good…very good. His, Marxism, Fascism and Totalitarianism is probably the best book I’ve ever read on the subject and clearly shows the ideological links between between Fascism and Marxism. Hitler was being 100% correct when he called his movement National SOCIALISM. It should be standard text of the Dissident Right. What’s really interesting is that the early Marxists recognised that the materialism inherent in the ideology failed to cater for the “spiritual nature of man.” Italian Fascism, in particular, aimed to achieve a synthesis between the materialism of Marxism and a sense of muscular heroism.… Read more »

Joseph Suber
Joseph Suber
6 years ago

Lawful-Evil corporations might be returned to Lawful-Neutral status. Forgive my reflexive Lolbertarianism, but productivity in corporations today is taking a huge hit from this unholy shotgun marriage with the Left. A bunch of WASP males worried about making a widget aren’t destined to spiral their company into ever deeper virtue-signaling cuckery or Amazon Googlism. The diversity gestapo makes them do it.

Any loyalty a guy feels to a company shrivels in the face of these gynocratic HR department cancers.

Member
6 years ago

Many here still don’t get how big of a threat the SJW corporate activism is to liberty. There are an increasing number of sites and organizations on the right that can only get funding through bitcoin and most people are not bitcoin savvy. Credit card companies won’t process for them. Payment processing companies like PayPal ban them from their system. Crowd funding sites won’t allow them to do fundraisers. But it doesn’t just stop at funding. Constant Contact is just one small example. Corporations are increasingly withholding their services from the right. Google, Microsoft and Apple are increasingly banning apps… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
6 years ago

American corporations used to be small, severely limited investment parnerships, chartered by each state to do one thing (such as build a bridge). Upon completion, the profits were divvied up, and the charter dissolved. The question is, how does one fund dependable pensions without immortal modern corporations? The whole ‘public-private’ ecosphere gives me the willies. All I see is shadow pools protected by government’s monopoly on lethal force. Providing a security blanket to our women and elderly, with open welfare for the truly disabled, is one of those parallel institutions that would return legitimacy to the alt-dissident movement. We used… Read more »

Saml Adams
Saml Adams
6 years ago

The leftist anaconda will just keep tightening. Happen to be quite close to some of the folks that were dead center in the Carry Guard fiasco in NY. It was done by the book and the firms involved were all compliant. But the NY DFS just decided to make up an interpretation the regs to fit Cuomo’s agenda. Caught them completely off guard. But now they won’t touch anything similar again. And don’t think that template won’t be used again by activist AGs. Insurance sits a layer below banking…but can’t conduct any commerce without it. Have already seen memos circulating… Read more »

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
6 years ago

You’ll make your own guns on a 3D printer.

calsdad
calsdad
Reply to  Glenfilthie
6 years ago

It will be a long time before anybody is going to be printing gun barrels affordably on 3D printer. At the current time about the only thing you can do with 3D printers and firearms is print yourself things like AR lowers, stocks, grips – and other non-stressed items. Plastic AR lowers stand up to use – but they don’t stand up to abuse very well. The whole “3D printing is going to change the world!!” thing seems like yet another manifestation left wing fantasy thinking. Too many people grew up watching Star Trek and think that suddenly now that… Read more »

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  calsdad
6 years ago

Pardon me. Your home CNC mill then. If you look at Uberti, for example… gun making is a cottage industry. Look at the AR… you can build a better carbine from privately made and marketed parts than Colt can at the factory. For awhile you could buy table top CNC mills that could finish the 80% lowers that were being sold everywhere for awhile.

The market always wins. Americans want their guns and drugs and no corporations or govts will stop that.

ReluctantReactionary
Reply to  Glenfilthie
6 years ago

While home fabrication of firearms and ammo is possible, the state can make it cost prohibitive. I’ve worked at the Ohlin Brass facility in Alton, IL on occasion. The technology required to make decent cartridge cases, quality powders with the correct burn rate, bullets more complex than simple molded lead, etc. is considerable. I wonder if some of the more individualistic among us tend toward fantasy. I knew a guy who planned to cache a gun in a sealed, underground container at his farm. The idea that he may no longer be allowed to live there when he needed that… Read more »

Corn
Corn
Reply to  ReluctantReactionary
6 years ago

“ I knew a guy who planned to cache a gun in a sealed, underground container at his farm. The idea that he may no longer be allowed to live there when he needed that gun had not occurred to him”

I don’t want to sound like an armchair warrior, but someone here or at another site once said, “If it’s time to bury ‘em, it’s time to use ‘em.”

calsdad
calsdad
Reply to  ReluctantReactionary
6 years ago

Some of the more “extremist” gun rights people definitely lean a little bit towards the fantasy side of things. Which is why I pointed out that whole “we’ll just 3D print guns” thing is just more gun porn masturbation. *Certain* parts for firearms are relatively easy to manufacture – other parts – like barrels – get a little more complicated because of the machinery required to make them properly. But if you spend any time at all studying insurrections and revolutions – there never seems to be any big lack of supply for firearms. Somebody somewhere will show up to… Read more »

Troll King(-36)
Troll King(-36)
Reply to  calsdad
6 years ago

I would like to see zman do a podcast on gun control and the dynamics of the nra. He seems very passionate pro gun, but he has never expounded his views, presumably because the issue seems so clear cut to him. I see both sides. I think it would be interesting.

Corn
Corn
Reply to  calsdad
6 years ago

Re: the militia. I wonder how different our society would be, if at all, if we had some form of compulsory military training along Swiss lines.

Of course, given obesity rates nowadays, alot of the young men would be in remedial boot camp for two years.

Ursula
Ursula
Reply to  Corn
6 years ago

The remedial boot camp goes for the women and trannies, too. Don’t forget our women and trannies! They’re such a key part to our military might. “That’s who we are”

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Ursula
6 years ago

I’m sorry, Ursula, but I laughed out loud at that one. Spooked the neighbor’s dog, he started barking.

Bill Jones
Member
Reply to  Ursula
6 years ago

Who else will kill people by crashing ships?

Glen Filthie
Glen Filthie
Member
Reply to  calsdad
6 years ago

Ever see a MAC-10? A fella 35 miles away from here got busted building them in his garage. I was astounded by quality of his builds.

Quality machine tools are cheaper now than ever before. Your average small machine shop have CNC mills. Once you have one of those, you can build the tools you need to build guns. Americans have said point blank they will not be disarmed, and any politician that dares to trifle with gun rights does so at his peril.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  calsdad
6 years ago

My company bought a mid-priced 3D printer a few years back, just for fun. It made good phone cases and dildos, but not much else.

CompSci
CompSci
Reply to  Glenfilthie
6 years ago

Do you make your own bullets, shells, and gun powder via 3D as well?

Tax Slave
Reply to  CompSci
6 years ago

Exactly. Some people are dense beyond belief.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
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Reply to  CompSci
6 years ago

You can remanufactre your ammo on commonly available reloading presses. I’ve been doing it for decades and have stockpiled powder and primers that can keep me in ammo for years. Decades if I give up recreational shooting.
Much as it falls the chitlibs guns aren’t going away anytime soon.

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Glenfilthie
6 years ago

If they decide to ban guns, the libs are perfectly happy to have you bury them. They aren’t a threat 6 feet under and might as well have been collected

You are far better off fighting and none of this “standing army” shit. Its dirty guerrilla warfare, collective punishment and atrocity because simply 100% they will do it to you

Civil War or die in a Camp, choose wisely.

AntiDem
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Reply to  Glenfilthie
6 years ago

One response that libertarianism often does try in order to deal with the “small-g” government problem is often to talk about some impractically expensive and/or complex DIY solution for any problem. Don’t like Silicon Valley’s moralizing? Just learn to code, compile your own build of Linux, and write your own software. Don’t like your bank telling you that you can’t have a gun? Just buy Cody Wilson’s expensive, single-purpose desktop CNC machine (as if your bank won’t make those impossible to buy too) and then use it to make your own version of one of the two or three types… Read more »

calsdad
calsdad
Reply to  AntiDem
6 years ago

The one thing that enables people to avoid leftist moralizing – is cash. Which is of course exactly why there have been recent efforts to eliminate it and make people go all electronic on their financial transactions. Once that actually happens – then yes: you will be completely under the thumb of your leftist overlords unless you want to descend into a barter system. But will you find any defense of a cash economy coming from the right? Nope. The only places I will find anything is on libertarian-ish websites like Lew Rockwell. How many “conservatives” do you know who… Read more »

Altlander
Altlander
6 years ago

Perhaps the business model of having corporate brick and mortar stores and huge real estate holdings is now over? large conglomerates selling you hardware, socks, beans and bullets can no longer make a buck, but wouldn’t that free up market share to mom and pop for some niche areas, with sears gone, and box retail stores suffering could their passing create a vacuum? For things to be born some things must be destroyed.

Dtbb
Dtbb
6 years ago

Rollerball.