This week is a show about women. No, it is not just me mocking feminists, but there is some of that. I think our side does not always talk about the proper role of women, mostly because the people involved in dissident politics are men. That and the feminist loons dominate the issue, so the natural tendency is to react to their latest lunacy. It is a topic our side should talk about in a more constructive way, so I thought I’d try a little bit of that this week. At the same time, I wanted to keep it light, so I have some feminist bashing too.
After wrapping this episode up, it occurred to me that there are no alt-right women outside of the eye candy who do YouTube videos. Let’s face it, their popularity is superficial. No one will be asking me about Tara McCarthy’s thoughts on the current crisis. That’s no knock on these women. I’m just pointing out that the women involved in dissident politics are not engaging at an intellectual level. On the other hand, the more thoughtful women may be confined to the trad-mom world, which I don’t follow, so who know.
This week I have the usual variety of items in the now standard format. Spreaker has the full show. I am up on Google Play now, so the Android commies can take me along when out disrespecting the country. I am on iTunes, which means the Apple Nazis can listen to me on their Hitler phones. The anarchists can catch me on iHeart Radio. YouTube also has the full podcast. Of course, there is a download link below. I’m now on Spotify, so the millennials can tune in when not sobbing over white privilege and toxic masculinity.
This Week’s Show
Contents
- 00:00: Opening (Music)
- 02:00: The Reality Of Women
- 12:00: Women In Politics
- 22:00: Feminism
- 32:00: Girl Power
- 42:00: Misery
- 52:00: Xirl Science
- 57:00: Closing (Music)
Full Show On Spreaker
Full Show On YouTube
The whole “men more competitive – women more cooperative” is a gross oversimplification IMHO. I’ve lost track over the years of how many women who have told me that they HATE working with other women. Maybe their periods all get in sync or something – but a bunch of women working together in an office environment typically end up acting like hormonally deranged high school age girls. The women who have told me this were all highly educated and smart and competent – and included female managers I worked under and a highly successful female business owner. In my experience… Read more »
Sometimes, seemingly contradictory things can be true. Sure, women will scratch each other’s eyes out to get the attention of a man. On the other hand, they prefer to cooperate with one another in the workplace. On the other hand, this contradiction produces SJW’s in the work place.
Few things in life are binary.
Sure, women will scratch each other’s eyes out to get the attention of a man. On the other hand, they prefer to cooperate with one another in the workplace. Gotta say, my experience of women in the workplace is much more like what calsdad said. Women don’t “cooperate with one another in the workplace.” Instead, they form cliques that bicker with each other for the purpose of bickering, can’t just stick to the substantive issue of what needs doing, instead get into disputes that revolve around who likes who, and whenever an objective negative evaluation is made of their plan/suggestion,… Read more »
Perhaps I should have phrased it as “women would prefer to cooperate…” but that’s not possible in a competitive workplace. The result is the bickering and SJW phenomenon.
I don’t know. My thoughts are not complete on this subject.
Not all workplaces are competitive. I’ve seen far more workplaces where the people (men mostly) – just want to show up and get the job done. I don’t even think women “prefer to cooperate” – since I’ve seen very little of that coming from women even outside the workplace, except when they put on their pink pussy hats and all get together to bitch about something. SOP for women seems to be certain level of constantly bitching about some subset of their “friends” or co-workers. To the point where I’ve had to tell my wife to just STFU about it… Read more »
Structure, structure, structure!
Social organization and it’s effects depends on the physical structure of the immediate environment.
Let us anticipate human natures in our design.
I think both you and carlsdad et al are holding two ends of the same beast — they will fight relentlessly against their female competition, scratching each other bloody. At the same time, they can as a whole turn against and purge any “man” who makes the mistake of trying to force his will on their system. Only have a few yrs experience in the civilian bureaucratic workplace. In the military, it was a bit different, though in the deep staff pockets, where people fulfilled admin and support roles for long duration, you did see this creep in. One salty… Read more »
Yes this is the model that i have observed works. A queen bee and younger women seem to get along fine. I like women and make it a point to make friends with older, unattractive women in my organization. For instance, i often go to lunch with the 50ish woman that handeled human resources in my department (she’s sweet as hell). I insist on paying and we just bullshit about our lives and work. At one point i counseled her to ask for a raise and how to ask. She got it so i’m golden. Upshot, she’s saved my ass… Read more »
No Man’s thoughts on the subject will ever be complete. It’s fun to hear opinions as always, but please don’t ever think you’ve nailed down any definitive info on Women. OK, so the weird ones can be identified. Congrats – you just nailed down the dummies. The rest are still a mystery. Any one who thinks better is an idiot.
In my experience, it’s both. If you have a group of gals in the workplace who generally like each other, than they cooperate much better than men do, even compared to men who generally like each other. But when the gals don’t get along, for whatever reason, then the dysfunction is much greater than it is between males.
In a social situation where other women are present, the presence of a man, and any fighting over him, have nothing to do with the man. He is merely a prop. The fighting is for a woman to establish domination over the other women in the room by monopolizing the attention of the man. It’s the big “F-U” from one woman to the others. Similarly, women dress not for the men, but to make a statement to the other women around them. Do men give two shits about a designer handbag or those pumps that are red on the soles?… Read more »
Used to stare agape at the men who could not even see that the women in their workspaces were prowling around, constantly probing and sizing each other up, and on occasion flicking daggers at perceived rivals. The men sat there in ignorance, talking about beer, guns and sex, while the women plotted how to hamstring each other.
Absolutely right about fashion. Men (straight men, anyway) don’t know what’s fashionable among women until it’s no longer fashionable.
She’s a “20 year leadership expert” and the feminists and sjws love(d) her. https://leadstar.us/our-story/our-team/courtney-lynch/ Special election in Henrico County VA for seat on Board of Supervisors vacated by Courtney Lynch. https://www.richmond.com/news/local/henrico/courtney-lynch-to-resign-from-henrico-board-of-supervisors-this/article_44c76f34-fb27-5ba2-8ddf-c465feb659f7.html “Lynch, who clashed publicly with county officials over teacher pay and leadership styles, said her last day will be June 30. “When Lynch announced in May that she didn’t plan to seek another term representing the Brookland District, she called for turnover on the Board of Supervisors and the School Board and criticized Henrico elected officials for being complacent. Those comments, like others Lynch had made since being elected… Read more »
Few things in life are binary – but after a few decades of seeing the same thing over and over again I’d say there’s something more than a trend there. Women like to play “cooperation” on the surface – but in the reality I’ve seen men are FAR more cooperative than women are and do it almost instinctually. If we’re going to claim that biology matters – then surely it matters in things like group cooperation – which is something that men have had LONG experience with . Women have a definite drive for “status” – which will manifest in… Read more »
Women start out without any sort of hierarchy in the relationships (“equality”), but then the clawing and bitching start when a hierarchy begins to form. Men start out with a natural hierarchy in place and understood, and then cooperate within it, or simply ignore it completely. When men and women work together, things get bumpy when these two approaches collide and interact. This is also why a mixed gender military is so problematic. Men are wired to take orders from above and give them below. Women…not so much.
I honestly do not think that men are even wired to “take orders from above” – they are wired to cooperate. Some guy barking out orders is just taking advantage of that instinctual skill – usually for his own gain. Like I said above : I have been on sportsball teams and in teams at work, where the MEN just cooperated and got the job done. There did not need to be an Alpha bitching at them to get things done – they just DID IT. The sportsball teams in particular were very interesting because it was like the men… Read more »
Men take orders and give orders, and it is simply done. Nothing personal about it. If there is something to be done other than strictly following the order, there is generally a reason for it and it is just quietly done. Women have difficulty with orders because everything is personal. Note the recent YouTubes of the women politicos getting all hyper and manipulative with the cops. They are doing that because getting a ticket is a personal attack, from their perspective.
Auftrakstaktik …. men do it.
Yes, and women recognize entirely different indicators of status. Men will scan a room and look for badges and other understood indicators of rank and accomplishment. Over 30 yrs in uniform proved to me that those things we men instinctively recognize and respect naturally mean little to women. They must be taught to see and accept, and it never really seems welded to their souls, as it does with men. Creates tremendous friction, and fraternization problems.
What a great presentation Z. There are still a few kinks to work out on Women Studies, but you got most of them right.
My question is: an women be red pilled?
My best guess is “sometimes”.
Women have husbands, sons, and brothers that are being seriously hurt by this lunacy; any out house trip around the Manosphere will prove it. It’s warping and distorting is guys too, in ways that will have repercussions we still haven’t seen the results of.
More study and observation are still warranted.
Women can be redpilled for sure. Often, married women who have been bred by a man they respect and love, are quite sensible creatures.
Women group identify three or four times more strongly than do men. With women, everything is always “is it good for women”. It’s so ingrained in them, they can’t even see that they do it.
I have seen a group of women ready to cut each other’s hearts out do an about-face and cooperate… against an unsuspecting man.
I’ve worked for men and women, with male and female co-workers. I found generally that men make better leaders AND followers. I think that comes from the “hunter genes” (related to CD’s point on sportsball). Women co-workers generally complained more about female leaders than male leaders, resenting their success and status more. “Why did they give the job to her?” I never saw a woman undermine a male boss, but often saw them undermining female bosses. I’ve worked for a good femaie manager or two, but most of them were sweat acts. They seemed to lack confidence, either in their… Read more »
I tend to agree with your assessment. Only at the Alpha end of things do you see guys competing in a dog eat dog fashion. Most guys want to get the job done. The only problems come in when either someone who is the leader isn’t getting the job done or there is a serious slacker. On the flip side, women do hate working with other women. Woman captain who led an America’s Cup team had worked with both all male and all female crews. She said the men were there to get the job done. Meanwhile after every race… Read more »
I noted after many yrs in operational military organizations that men who didn’t particularly like each other could often work together under even the most difficult conditions; but, women who disn’t like each other could not — they seemed to be constantly working against enemies or rivals, often at the expense of the overall mission.
W maybe slight generalization, Z has a point. Yes, women compete too, but it is not in the way men do. Men like it ‘out in the open’. Hell, we used to have duels and still, occasionally, take it outside when some dumb F cant stop his mouth from running for too long. Women, they snare each other w social games and smile as the blade goes into the back.
40 years on construction sites, and I’ve never seen a fist fight. I’ve seen plenty of shouting matches and had a few of my own, but the men always find a way to work things out. Somehow men from a wide variety of cultures all manage to work together in uncomfortable environments and finish the project.
Put two women together for more than a day in a nice office space and they’ll find something to fight about.
Three things have vastly eroded the foundation of Western society:
1. Women’s suffrage
2. Women in the workplace
3. Birth control
You should add the destigmatization of bastardy and divorce on demand.
Those things are side-effects of The Pill.
Female sexuality let loose and “respected”. Next stop, dirt-floor huts and shiftless men servicing females in front of the 6 half-sibling half-starved semi-feral children in the hut. Matriarchy.
Most women need a religious underpinning to their activism, especially if it gets a step or two beyond the simple alleviation of perceived suffering. Marxist feminism provides this, mostly by playing up the supposed suffering and putting it in a mythic framework complete with a bogey man and a promised Eden somewhere in the hazy distance. The dissident right simply fails to provide anything like a satisfying non-material rationale. Simple appeals to reason or evidence do not work. Better to take something a woman already feels strongly about and reframe it in such a way that her emotions are redirected… Read more »
Excellent, practical, to the point- good job, Saint G!
A comment on what happens when a profession is taken over by women and how I view the exceptions to the rule, be it in politics, science etc: Men and women statistically have different personalities and think and emote differently. It is true there is the exception. But, as a whole, in their collective behavior they regress towards the mean. Men are more facts and logic oriented, women more emotions and social context oriented. Hence, take something like medicine (Im an MD btw). As it is being swarmed by reasonably bright young women, the nature of medical practice slowly changes,… Read more »
Notice that as women take over a company that company starts acting like a community organization? Internally it’s parties for birthdays and babies. All sorts of events. Meanwhile, the company needs to “Give back to the community.” Of course what the company is supposed to be doing suffers.
I think that @thezman is right when considering large groups/women in general. The issue for me is: what about the exceptions to the rule? In the past there was never an outlet for a smart woman with intellectual interests. There were stigmas against women not only voting or entering politics, but also being artists and writers. Where should the line be drawn? I see no point in stifling the natural talents of 50% of the population, but I also think that lowering standards so that women can enter fields where they are obviously outclassed is a societal negative (e.g., women… Read more »
Indeed. I got in this exact same dung fight over at Jim’s Blog where he asserted “all women are like that” – ie trailer park whores and shrews that need to be spanked like children regularly lest they go feral. I got banned when I disagreed with the obvious flaws in that, LOL. The prevailing opinion over there is that women need to be grabbed by the pussy, bent over and savagely railed too – and that if they don’t get it the women will import hordes of howling savage mud flaps from the third world to do it for… Read more »
Society lost its moorings in the 60s. Can you imagine a Victorian man hooting at a woman in the street? There would be no #metoo movement if it was socially unacceptable for women to agree to unchaperoned/solo visits with male strangers. Don’t get me wrong: I think good men should conduct themselves like gentlemen in the world as a matter of personal principle. I just think that the loosening of sexual mores and the bawdiness of daily life contribute to behavioral decline in both sexes. Even well-dressed, respectable women get unwanted, rough attention from cruder men these days. Importing a… Read more »
Why are some men smarter than Jim? It must be genetic. Just for grins, I checked out his blog. “A woman wants you to use her, to exploit her, to take advantage of her. At the same time she is going to make it difficult for you to do so. Life would be so much easier if women had an off switch, but since they don’t, you just have to get on with the use, the exploitation, and the taking advantage.” “Marriage is a contract between the former owner of the bride, normally her father, and the new owner of… Read more »
LOL. He’s a charmer, alright. By slapping women around, he can make them moan in ecstasy and beg for more – or so he says. But despite his charms, Jim is responding to his environment in a predictable and logical manner: he bangs tirebiiters and bubblegummers and his behaviour patterns are warped to respond to the warped skanks he favours. These feminists, SJWs and progs are hurting themselves, their men, their kids, their community and their nations. At least Jim gets his rocks off; these crazed xirls and pan-gendered freak shows only have pain and hurt for their antics. If… Read more »
Glen, on freaks’ antics, first see https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201508/why-do-women-have-RAPE-fantasies Then, check out various thoughts at https://whiskeys-place.blogspot.com/2008/09/modern-romance.html , e.g. : “Under the Western System, men and women are mostly free to choose their own partners. But institutions, such as local Church, or benevolent society, or group/block civic organization dances, fairs, exist to mediate that choice. Guide the choices, control them, and ensure optimal outcomes…. … Critically, the MEDIATING institutions allow “test drives” without sexual commitment…. … These rules form the bedrock of Western romance. They serve to form life-long partnerships based on love, and for the most part have worked for about a… Read more »
And, I’ll add, women’s temptation to exploit this URBAN anonymity has been greatly
encouraged, by the assault upon MEDIATING institutions launched by ever-more pervasive mass media.
Glen, kudos to you for trying to talk sense into the manosphere, about something which should go without saying.
If the Jim’s Blog types come to dominate the manosphere, it will likely remain in the “political” wilderness, despite its other key virtues.
Please tell us of those which you see as the sanest sites in the manosphere.
I’ll wager that the number of reasonable ones is well above 30%.
They must tread carefully about showing themselves in public, however, lest they be destroyed by the Sisterhood.
I couldn’t tell you Jaqship. I can tell you – based on 50 years of living in a severely pozzed family and marrying a wife from another – the best of the manosphere writers is right here – and Z isn’t even a ‘manosphere’ writer per se. Sounds like he knows his way around leftists too, though. I get the bitterness and anger that arises from dealing with chitty liberal women – I understand that all the way through and for years I was as bitter as any of those toxic manosphere guys about it. Such women destroyed my family… Read more »
The problem is that takes them out of the gene pool, they tend to end up as cat ladies because they realize too late that having husband and children are more important than some bullshit job. And most jobs are bullshit. This is what is happening now. At one time the brighter women became teachers and our children benefited from having highly competent instructors. Now thanks to feminism, many women believe they can have a “meaningful career” in some corporate office. Which is a total lie. They get sucked in, spend their best years toiling in a crap job getting… Read more »
It seems as if even a lot of progressive males, in some dim chamber of their minds, know there are hardwired biological differences between men and women. I was reading an article on “Mother Jones” about how the Army’s female PT test has lighter standards (less push-ups, etc.) in order to measure women’s “commensurate level of physical fitness” (or some such crap) to male soldiers. Someone, a frequent commentor and a progressive himself, piped up and said, “Well, if the women are doing fewer push-ups isn’t that an acknowledgment that they’re not as strong, or at least different from men?”… Read more »
We ALL *know* there are hardwired differences between men and women. The denial of this is a testament to how most people, and 99.9% of women (maybe 90% of men) are guided by social context, not facts. Ie they can live w total intellectual dissonance but not social dissonance.
Well, the problem is that a lot of times the consequences of playing dumb are much larger than intellectual dissonance. Let’s say the blast radius for some grenade is fifteen feet (give or take), and the average female soldier can only throw that grenade ten feet (even in a training scenario). But that average female decides she wants to be an infantry(wo)man and she writes her average congresswoman who starts a campaign to make this girl’s GI Jane fantasy a reality. I figure at this point even if she looks like Jessica Alba very few men are going to want… Read more »
We don’t disagree. One major reason that the military, and things like firefighting, is one of the last hold-outs against make-belief ‘equality’ is that it is one of the places where reality can be as rough, or rougher (in combat or working dangerous equipment (by which I did not mean women lol)) than the social context. In talky chatty jobs, the social context dominates hard reality. And fairy tales can thrive, hence so can nutty leftism.
Reading progressive tweets, the hysterical stupidity and conformity is astonishing and appalling, ain’t it?
Then the dark brownies and foreigners join in, and it goes wayyyy beyond eleventy! as they follow each other’s lead. (With white progs competetively sucking ass.)
Makes me lose hope in humanity-
And then it reminds me of the unique Burden of white men as the leaders and saviors of this wicked world. Hold fast! Hold horns high!
I remember in college freshman biology, the prof asked the class for a raise of hands if you think men have bigger heads than women. I was the only one in a class of at least 50 who raised his hand. No girls raised their hands either. I’m still not sure if everyone was that stupid, or just petrified they’d be wrong and publicly exposed as sexist. His question did seem like a potential counterintuitive gotcha! question. But still, you know what you KNOW. What a bunch of fearful wimps. I’ll never forget that moment.
A 55 year old man of the same size and fitness level as a 25 year old woman is typically as strong. American female 25 year old vs. 25 year old Russian standard male soldier. But…she watches many episodes of Buffy The Vampire Slayer for inspiration.
Havent heard it yet, will do after work. No, there are hardly any women in dissident politics. Women most stick to mainstream and are not leaders and it is a sign of weakness when they have, or are allowed, to lead. If biology picked you to swell to a small landwhale, walk like a duck and push out a 7 lbs screaming lump, having ‘strong independent opinions’ could easily make you lone snack for cave bears away from all the ppl who didnt share your ‘strong independent views.’ Hope this podcast is good, ie straight talk on women.
Many excellent comments and great insights; and superb presentation by Z-Man. But I keep asking myself: What can we do about it. Because what we are doing isn’t working. The woman thing has gone off the rails. And men checking out, climbing on their Harleys and doing the MGTOW thing isn’t going to work, either. The women just flood into politics, the bureaucracy and all other public places, and them come gunning for us. Like the select Union soldiers at Shilo fleeing the initial Southern assault who turned around at the Sunken Road & Hornets’ Nest, we’ve got to stop… Read more »
I don’t know if you can put the toothpaste back in the tube. But-
1. Recapture the culture. Young women naturally gravitate to men and babies, give them a nudge by making marriage, home and families cool again. Movies, music, magazines, social media, etc.
2. Reinstate orthodox Christian teaching regarding sexual morality, the purpose of marriage, divorce, birth control, abortion, pornography. Preach it.
3. Make family formation affordable.
And I have no clue how to do these things.
1) Can only be done by creating alternative to MSM/Hollywood and mainstream publications which are the antithesis of traditional families, stable homes, etc. 2) Promise Keepers. The MSM demonized them when they first appeared but they are still around but keep a low profile. They just need a smart leader with a bit of muscle. 3) This means going against corporate America and the FIRE industry that has benefited from a flood of illegals(H-1B’s, etc) driving up the prices of everything from homes to cars and depreciating wages. Thus making families expensive and keeping mom at work. And it’s not… Read more »
War. Famine. Epidemic. Take your pick.
Regarding cooperation, I wonder if women are more cooperative only in certain, specific arenas. I remember reading something recently about a study of group cooperation that found that groups of men work together much better than groups of women because among men a hierarchy is quickly established and men settle into their group roles fairly readily. Women, on the other hand are constantly redefining the hierarchy and jockeying for position, which made them far less efficient. This bears out in tales my daughter tells of work in the female-dominated healthcare industry. The backbiting and pettiness are incredible. I work in… Read more »
Veterinary medicine used to be a male-dominated profession. I’m not sure exactly when the drift started, but I’d guess 70s or 80s. This is becoming a real problem in the rural, large animal practice side of the business. Doctoring horses and cattle is, as you might expect, a seriously physical business. Most women simply can’t handle it. Add to that, it’s the least well-paid part of the profession. You can make much better money giving vaccines to rich peoples’ poodles. There’s a real shortage of physically-capable veterinarians in large animal practice. One writer, Steve Sailer maybe(?), has noted that when… Read more »
Im an MD, human medicine has the same problem; it is becoming advanced nursing as women take over. Most real research is now done by biochemists, molecular biologists, biophysicists etc but not ppl who went through med school.
Whether women entering the field has caused the stagnation in salaries, or whether the decline in salaries has diminished the number of men entering the field, is almost irrelevant. It is the fact that men, not for love of money, but for sleepless nights wondering how they will pay for the second child’s college on the heels of the first, are innately providers. I have never seen a woman, not even a single mother, lose the sleep and suffer the ulcers as the much-reviled middle-class white man will do to provide for his own. Look in the alleys and homeless… Read more »
Yes, have noticed this in our pets’ (dog and 2 cats) vet’s practice. More lady vets, very attentive and bright. The male founders of the practice are still present. Don’t know about large animal practice, but what you note makes sense. Here’s where I see real trouble: the church and the educational institutions. Go look at reports of the recent triennial General Convention of the Episcopal Church held this year in San Antonio TX. Horrid Presiding Bishop Michael Curry, who distinguished himself — NOT — at the royal wedding several months ago, blathered on about “love” and inclusiveness and all… Read more »
SJWs and other womyn behave like wackos because they know every time they feel their ears or eyesight being “raped” by some inocuous utterance/action made by a toxic white male they can call the cops and make a big raucous for nothing, in the very least. The day a woman understands that the only protection she will get is the one provided by her man (and by the men with whom her man is bound up with) it will be the day when all this nonsensical nth wave feminism vanishes overnight. Of course this equates with current civilization collapse and… Read more »
Thank goodness the adult enters the room. Women have profound concerns that MUST be dealt with if the alt-Dissidents are to gain legitimacy. This downward spiral of screwing each other over serves no one. White men, no angels, still did their best. Where we failed is in allowing not-us others, madwomen, and divorce lawyer hucksters to set the terms. We should be speaking to the women, not them. As Heartiste says, men compete then cooperate, women compete to eliminate. The males are setting a pecking order from head hunter to spear maker to water carrier. Males form hunting bands of… Read more »
Sorry for the disjointed rants. Posting before thinking, busy day ahead. Another factor of instinct- male relatives, uncles, grandfathers, fathers, sons- form a natural patriarchy within a tribe, with one family ahead of the rest. Being individually weak, the women cooperate as a collective to counter that umbrella of male relatives- but between themselves, scheme and manipulate for personal advantage. As always, our instincts can betray our best intentions. Think, boys, think! White men can out-think anyone. Our opposition is clever, not sentient. Why do we let the least qualified- criminals, beasts, and brats- lead by emotion? We’re not only… Read more »
As usual, you get to the detail of what I am able to explain only abstractly.
One woman among men can do fine if she is not lead and sex is not involved. If only one man wants the sex and she wants him, it can still work.
Women properly mated can be cooperative with a leading male.
The rest of your observations seem to be very spot on.
Here you go – the Myth of Female Cooperativeness: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/05/02/the-myth-of-female-cooperativeness/ ============== Gossip and salt and blame-shifting fault, that’s what older girls are made of. Via reader Pepe, ¡SCIENCE! once again shits in the faces of feminists and pabulum spewing equalists. This is not the place for this comment, but then again SCIENCE: Women are way less cooperative than men: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0001691817305917 This goes against the leftist myth that the world would be a better place if women ruled. “We confirmed a puzzling gender difference: men cooperate much more than women” [in a repeated Prisoner Game]. Also, cooperation doesn’t fade over time,… Read more »
“…no Alt-right women…”
Geez. What am I, chopped liver?
Interesting podcast, but you went way to easy on Larry Nassar. I understand what you were trying to say, but this was a very poor example. He didn’t just grope college students. He digitally penetrated pubescent girls, one as young as 6 years old, had tens of thousands of child porn images on his computer, including videos of himself molesting young girls. This is a truly sick individual.
Holy crap, THAT’S who Z was talking about? No wonder I found his comment confusing about a guy getting years in jail for groping. I cut Z a break sometimes. On the pop culture/sensational news/music/sports stuff, I think he skims and comes away with sweeping judgements. Keep in mind the guy doesn’t have cable. I get the impression he devotes his time to serious reading. Which both enriches himself, and in turn, us.
Derbyshire dug into the details of the actual case. https://vdare.com/articles/john-derbyshire-larry-nassar-is-a-arab-american-creep-but-judgette-rosemarie-aquilina-is-an-immigrant-hysteric
Derbyshire says himself that Nasser penetrated underage girls, and the article he links to says he penetrated underage girls (13 to 16) both vaginally and analy. Mind you, he plead guilty to these charges. You on your podcast 40:00 – 40:45. “He was charged for getting too handsy with girls, with college girls…for groping…he was groping.” There’s really GOT to be better examples than Nasser for you and Derbyshire to highlight the current MeToo style witch hunt. And to avoid anyone pressing you on it, why not just say, “yeah, bad example, I wasn’t familiar with the case.” Rather than… Read more »
Sorry, Z. Can’t even begin to agree with you (or Derbyshire) about Larry Nassar. If he was some creep in a sleazy singles bar getting handsy with women who knowingly went to the bar knowing that it was likely to have creepy men hanging about, that would be one thing. Nassar’s situation is entirely another. To keep it short, here are the two main points. 1. Nassar sexually assaulted children. 2. Nassar committed his crimes essentially UNDER COLOR OF AUTHORITY, which is to say while acting as a physician. The girls he assaulted didn’t show up looking for cheap sex,… Read more »
I feel for you guys that have to work around and for women…It has to be a blow to a guys self esteem to be bossed around by a female…I would quit before I would allow that to happen…So if there is any young men out there that are wondering what to have as a career and don’t ever want to be bossed around by a woman they should look into my line of work…
Bouncer at lesbian bar? Baptist preacher? Serial killer?
@Frip
Did you have a question?
What do you do for a living?
Sorry I thought it was obvious by the handle I use…I work on high voltage powerlines…I’m a Journeyman Lineman…
Ah. I’ve seen you post before. I always equated it with an NFL lineman.
No worries Brother a lot of people do the same thing…Most don’t even know about us they just think their lights come on by magic;)
Lineman,
This may sound like BS, but, yesterday, out of nowhere, it struck me that being a lineman would be a job I’d really enjoy. Not kidding. I researched openings with my city, and it looks like a great job and the pay is fantastic. Do you think a guy my age (45 But very healthy and fit) would have a shot?
Yea Brother definitely…We have had guys that were in there early 50s make it through the apprenticeship…It is rough though on your body when you come through that late and it is a problem with some of the guys to be yelled at by a younger journeyman…It’s a great job Brother I’ve been in it for over 20 years and I still think they actually pay me to do this;) And yea the pay and benefits are some of the best out there…
Don’t wanna keep clogging the thread with personal stuff but thanks so much for replying. It seems quite a few men my age and older do it so I’m encouraged. Looking into Comm. College cert programs for Lineman and welding tech now
But do you live in Wichita?
No, Austin. Why? You got a job offer for me (or was that a White Stripes reference)?
No, DaDZ, that’s for Lineman (these postings don’t step-sort correctly) and it’s a Glen Campbell reference.
Gotcha
My experiences with women in professional and personal settings has been identical to what the other commenters describe. They are constantly feuding and forming new alliances based on the most idiotic reasons (e.g. “on my birthday she only brought me a card, but she got that bitch a cake!”) They are not problem solvers, are nothing close to conceptual, and CANNOT think on their feet. They freak out when things don’t go according to plan and will always look to a man they perceive as competent to bail them out. Every woman I’ve dated or am friends with has admitted… Read more »
There is an understanding of humans that observes we behave as if it is safer to be wrong with the crowd than right all alone. We witness this every day and the quality is especially concentrated in women. Fear of being outside the group is what filters what we think. A woman who steps outside the group has another, smaller group to support her. A man may exist opposed to the group alone, in virtue of his most unpleasant qualities.
The closest thing to an intellectual female in this sphere is Aydin Paladin who has degrees in sociology and does some good work in that area.
Very interesting and insightful podcast. With respect to the biological differences between the genders and modern society’s willingness to pretend they don’t exist in order to exalt a false ideal of women’s equality (at least in physical terms), one great place to observe this in action is the CrossFit realm, especially at the highest competitive level when it’s televised each summer. CrossFit, like many other business enterprises, is deliberately planned and marketed primarily toward garnering new women customers among the millennial and Gen-X generations. The CrossFit marketing people know they’ll get men of these age groups into the gym because… Read more »
I liked the bit about the woman being the baker’s oven. Without the oven, the baker is just standing there holding his loaf. Laugh out loud time, right there. The bit with the horse whinny at the mention of Catherine the Great was a nice touch.
In a public space, like an office, women always assume women are acting. The suspicion that other women aren’t what they seem really messes with their heads.
I hear the “marriage/children make women more conservative” trope fairly often these days, but so far nobody’s offered up a convincing proof that this is actually a cause-and-effect relationship, other than a few lame personal anecdotes. The direction could be reversed, or they could both be based on some broader cultural norms. In theory the answer should be out there in the census data – look at voting rates before and after marriage. You could also look at aggregates across time (not geography), which has the same problem but might at least reveal a leading/lagging relation. Anyway, all we can… Read more »
Actually, there is a mountain of data to back it up. Given that the only path to becoming a married women is having first been a single woman, the correlation is causation in this case.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/marriage-gap-one-more-time/
http://www.unz.com/isteve/detailed-demographic-breakdown-of-2016-us-presidential-election/
http://www.unz.com/isteve/how-the-marriage-gap-painted-the-map-red-or-blue-from-2000-thru-2012/
This is still all correlation. I don’t see why you think causation logically follows. Obviously women start out single, but that’s an obvious strawman argument. Think about the lifestyle of a typical liberal white woman: carousel riding and career-obsessed in her prime, then turning to bitterness and bitch-feminism when the wall approaches and finally easing into the spinster cat-lady lifestyle in middle age. That’s not conducive to marriage. Women who follow this template, which *starts* with a particular ideology, are far less likely to ever be married. By contrast, women who grow up in conservative families and conservative towns are… Read more »
WEB Dubois, who was a serious scholar, wrote about “The Souls of Black Folk.”
Today, the academy writes about “The asses of Black Folk.”
Good post. Women realism is an important topic I think but it is thorny. My own views are not yet settled here.
What do people say, should women have the vote, and the right to hold office? Im tilting towards no but my views haven’t coalesced yet.
No republic can survive universal male suffrage, or ever has. Female suffrage lays WD-40 on the skids. As a man said, politics is show business for ugly people, so there is no particular reason to bar women from public office.There is every reason not to let them vote ugly people into office.
Im inclined to agree w you. Owning property is a reasonable test for either having a real stake in society in its current form or of not being a total loser. Letting welfare hordes vote, well, that’s letting all the ppl who lost in the system vote. Seems logical that this would lead to socialism and other loser’s systems.
Still having a hard time understanding this: You have two groups; we’ll call them group M and group W. The two groups are exactly alike in every way and each group makes up ~50% of the total population. However, group M has been able to completely oppress and/or control group W for all of recorded history. You would think that group W could have thrown off this oppression at any time. Since W possess all the same attributes as group M this means that M cannot have any inherent advantages over W. Since they did not, does this mean that… Read more »
I say no, group W was too busy tearing itself apart while group M was getting on with building out their community. At the end of the day, group W had no standing, as it was no longer a group but a bunch of individuals. Group M gets the blame for this, but correlation is not causation. Turning group M people into W’s weakens the whole system, no matter how much the W’s see that as some sort of “just” outcome.
This is pure conjecture, since Group W, of course, does not possess the same attributes as Group M. Group W is physically disadvantaged and Group M can kick Group W’s ass. QED.
I’m just throwing things out there to see what sticks, but if you look around at coordinated, predatory gang behavior, of the most brutal sort (drug cartels, MS-13, biker gangs, ghetto street gangs), it is almost all male. Highly focused, goal oriented, and acting in a particularly bloodthirsty fashion, you only see the occasional female involved. I don’t think brute strength is the primary driver here, more the affinity for organizing like a pack of wolves to get what you want. The hard-wiring for such a level of organization, commitment, and group discipline appears to me to be much more… Read more »
“A highly organized and disciplined group W should be able to easily overpower a less organized and committed group M, but you don’t see it happening much.“
Respectfully would disagree. In the conventional culture at large, women seem to be winning …. “bigly.”
They own the accepted cultural disciurse now. Male behavior, speech and interests, recently commonplace, are now proscribed … even in the mainstream military.
Dutch, “A highly organized and disciplined group W should be able to easily overpower a less organized and committed group M”, and they are, NOWADAYS.
I will back down on that one. Men own the physical sphere due as much to self-organization as to brute strength (IMO), but women have played the mental ganging-up game much better. They know how to lay mental blows and then claim victimization when men strike back. The whole of the Left has picked up on that game, vs. the Right.
Hey Z, This is the first Power Hour I’ve listened to…while driving in traffic. Not a good idea as I was startled by the horse whinny between segments. Now that I know what to expect I should be ok. Great topic by the way. I’ve even heard women say there are too many women in leadership in primary education.
I think female archetypes might affect the compete-cooperate dynamic among women. An archetype would be sorority, nerd/academic, trad mom, power mom, working mom, etc (not exhaustive).
I think they bring their own flavor of cooperate/compete to the table and might be making the general idea of female competition vs cooperation harder to accept or see.
Great music selections. “Girl Trouble” is a classic, but choosing famous wife-discipliner, Ike Turner’s “Rocket 88” for an essay on feminism is really appropriate. I love both husband’s and wife’s music, but good heavens being married to Tina must have been a trial, and must have required some discipline.
Delusions of Women in 1976.
In 1976 my cousin in New Zealand a 21 year old feminist then, told me that in the year 2000, in the Moscow Olympic games, that Wimen would compete with men in a no sex-differentiated Moscow games . She was serious and yes, this was 1976 in NZ.
Vicious angry slogans on building walls would say > all men are rapists. Feminism was virulent, pathological, insane and hysterical then and now.
I was going to let you know that playing with analytics, and fiddling with frequencies, didn’t work. I heard the whole podcast. Then I realized your method was more subtle, and more diabolical: it’s about the content! That Xirl Science bit… how to get that out of my head? I’ll have to iron pillow cases, do some sewing, immerse myself in Jane Austen novels. And even all that might not work!
Blackanality? One word?
Yup. This is how it works: come up with a provocative catchword or catchphrase about something weird and edgy, that you and a few other people are obsessed with. Attach your name to it. Write a book, go on zero rated talk shows to discuss it, do a YouTube. Wail when someone criticizes it (makes for more publicity). Make yourself rich and famous (not).
Or go the Jim Acosta route, be a complete a**hole, and try and turn your day job into some sort of personal brand. Then follow the steps above.
At 29:50. “The idea was to create a class of losers. Who found solidarity in their misery as losers.”
Man. Just…so perfect. One thinks it’s all been said before. But the power of a great phrase or angle, to make a known truth seem fresh again. Yeah. This is why we keep coming back to guys like Z.
You describe the gender politics at my workplace almost perfectly, as if you had experienced it directly! I think the difference between men and women in competitive technical fields is deeper than just competitive differences. I have a friend who is just a tinkerer. It’s like he derives gratification simply from punching code, and working on computers in different ways and electronics, as self full filling, self gratifying activities in themselves. Personally, I’m not like that, but I can see that he gets the same satisfaction from that as I get from poetry riddles or word games or those sorts… Read more »
The right wing has a woman problem. Specifically, women are appalled by right wing politics and want nothing to do with men who espouse them.
How many of you guys have ever had a girlfriend? How many of you are married? How many have you have kissed a girl?
I rest my case.
Sorry about your dysfunction. Haven’t you heard of little blue pills? Oh, now I get it, when the girl sees your teeny tiny she always exclaims “you mean it’s hard right now?”
“Is that a mosquito bite?”
“Doc, after those blue pills, it’s done been swole up like that for two whole days!”
Women are not appalled by right wing politics. Women are appalled by hostile, hypocritical, dishonest and disrespectful men. None of the aforementioned adjectives apply to the substance or tone of this podcast.
Evidently Bunny, you and I and all of the dozens and dozens of far right/Alt right women I know are non-entities, just because Z refuses to acknowledge us. There aren’t many ACTIVELY political women putting out content because it’s a MALE MOVEMENT and women should NOT be the face of the movement or in any leadership capacity. This is as dumb as Luke Ford posting 900 videos a week talking about the Alt-right being dead, because we chose to become more covert and retreat back to anonymity to prevent doxing, school expulsions, military court marshals, and job loses. Why is… Read more »
Please go post EXACTLY what you posted above over at Chateau Heartiste – and get back to use and let us know how it works out for you.
I’ll wait………
LOL
Quit feeding this troll, Tiny Duck should be well known to you guys by now. A lonely cucked white guy and this is his only enjoyment.
Rich, illustrative satire. We gotta have a villain on stage to boo and hiss at!
The Left has Trump and we have…Tiny Dick. They got the better villian, by far.
We probably should ban the twerp but that would require registration and all that jazz.
besides he’s like the Washington Generals to out Harlem Globetrotters, a heel of is just here to lose.
A. B.;
Z banned the Dick months ago. It’s funny how one can guess who it is by the goofy pseudonyms he uses without even reading his tripe.
Capitalization, proper punctuation, spelling, and grammar. Not characteristic of TD. Perhaps, if it is him, it’s supposed to indicate that he’s not typing with webbed feet.
How many of you have kissed boys? To whom you were not related? We rest our case!
You evidently know nothing about women, men, masculinity or fornicating.
Poor little Greg. a pathetic symbol of the beta pyjama boy breed of losers. Rest in peace little dear.
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