Old Men Who Fear Change

One of the first things I learned about conservatism, way back in the before times, was that William F. Buckley made conservatism respectable. In the 1980’s, Buckley became a rock star, riding the wave of enthusiasm for Ronald Reagan. Like a lot of young men in that age, I was caught up in it. Being a conservative was suddenly cool and everyone credited Buckley for making it possible. It was hard to argue with the claim. Bill Buckley was a charming, intelligent and sophisticated guy. Who would not want to be like Bill?

The part that no one seemed to notice back then, at least not the people involved in the conservative movement, was that the whole point of the thing was to make the people in it respectable, as judged by their alleged opponents. Pretty much the only thing they really cared about was being seen as respectable. It’s why guys like George Will were not fans of Ronald Reagan initially. They worried that his earthy sense of humor and popularity with normal people would not go over well with their friends on the Left.

A big part of being respectable, at least in modern politics, is drawing the line between yourself and those who are not respectable. In the 80’s, when conservatism was booming, no one thought much about all the people that had been read out of the conservative movement in order for guys like Bill Buckley to be respectable. That was the thing though, by the 80’s, conservatism was nothing but drawing lines between the respectable and the unacceptable, in order to be in good standing with the Left.

That all came to mind when I read this post by the Asness Chair in Applied Liberty. It is the typical flip-flopping equivocation that is a Jonah Goldberg column. If there are two sides to an issue, he will find a way take four sides, all in the same post. Reading one of his columns is like watching a fish flop around on the deck. The basic point of the column is that he fears conservatives have not been vigilant enough in policing that line between themselves and the people the Left finds offensive. Thus the Alex Jones fiasco.

His follow up column is a call to war for his fellow conservatives. Well, it’s more like a long love letter to Bill Kristol and the other paranoids of the neoconservative cult. He provides a long bit of mythology about Buckley and his fights with the anti-Semites. The reader is obviously supposed to make the connection between those long dead bogeymen from the 1950’s and the bogeymen currently haunting conservatism. In Goldberg’s telling, his generation of conservatives are facing the same challenge as Buckley did 70 years ago.

The amusing part is how Goldberg keeps trying to connect himself to guys like James Burnham and Whittaker Chambers. Maybe being the Asness Chair in Applied Liberty is going to his head. In reality, it is just another example of the intellectual hollowness of Buckley Conservatism. Chambers was a man of great courage and integrity. Burnham was a brilliant thinker whose ideas are still relevant today. Jonah Goldberg is a feckless airhead. He would have been laughed out of the room by conservatives of their day.

That aside, there’s a weird cargo cult vibe to all this. The so-called conservatives don’t even bother to think about the arguments coming from the right. They don’t even pretend to know about them. There was not a single mention of the alt-right in National Review until Hillary Clinton mentioned them. Instead, they carry on as if it is 1955 and they are fighting a heroic battle against the John Birch Society. Goldberg’s post has the feel of a man hoping he can make it all go away just by performing all the old rituals.

It really is weird reading this stuff, given where we are now. These guys could be excused for living in the past when the GOP was right there with them. Five years ago, they had no reason to listen to their critics. Times were good and the living was easy. Now, after their audience has abandoned them and Trump is in the White House, their stubborn adherence to a defunct set of arguments is weird. The National Review crowd should be writing their columns while wearing leisure suits and listening to disco.

The thing is, there are two types of conservatives. There are those who seek only to maintain the status quo, regardless the current laws, morals and behavior norms. Then there are the those who believe there is transcendent moral order that corresponds to the natural order. The Buckleyites were always of the first type. The reason they opposed the Left was they feared losing their place at the table. It’s the same reason they oppose the emerging national populists. They’re old men who fear change.

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tz1
Member
2 years ago

Rubber cucky takes a bath?

joey junger
joey junger
2 years ago

Ramzpaul had a joke awhile back, something about how when the left starts trying to ram through trans-marriage, Goldberg will speak up against this change, saying it will violate the sanctity of gay marriage. There are some guys on the mainstream right (not Goldberg) who I believe are semaphoring (in a very guarded way) their openness to the idea that maybe the people to their right aren’t wrong about everything. If someone writes an article saying, “The alt right’s fear of white minority status and genocide, based on farm murders in Zimbabwe and South Africa, is ridiculous and unfounded,” you’d… Read more »

Cerulean
Cerulean
2 years ago

Sorry, but Buckley always seemed like a jerk to me.

Bruno the Arrogant
Bruno the Arrogant
Reply to  Cerulean
2 years ago

Yeah, he was. Even long after I’d become disenchanted with the left, the National Review crowd still left a bad taste in my mouth. Still, he wasn’t entirely wrong to do what he did, either. The left had the zeitgeist at their back, and had become the arbiters of public morality. Largely, they still are. Perhaps there was another way forward for the right, but at this point that’s just Monday morning quarterbacking. As they say, politics is the art of the possible. Yeah, Buckley was a cuck, but let’s remember how badly NR was burned for supporting segregation. Being… Read more »

Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
2 years ago

Buckley was a lot worse than a mere cuck. He was a demon infested winged monkey servant of the Satan worshipping Globalists. His main job was to discredit and marginalize the John Birch Society and anyone else who tried to expose the treason going on at the highest levels of the US government. It’s true that the JBS was naïve in thinking that it was a “communist” conspiracy. They had no idea how deep the rabbit hole went, and I think none of us STILL have any idea just how evil and wicked and bloodthirsty and perverted the Globalists are.

Larry Darrell
Larry Darrell
2 years ago

The first of those two posts by Asness Chair has the following line: “Meanwhile, my National Review colleague David French, a prominent First Amendment lawyer ….”

calsdad
calsdad
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Is that credential inflation or just more leftist horseshit? Seems like another commie-like butchery of the language to call Obama a “scholar” in anything. The Frankfurt School made had no compunction about saying that one of the ways you denigrate a people – is to denigrate their language. A man is a woman and a woman is a man. Obama is a scholar. Blacks are the same as whites. The United States is an “idea”, and so on and so forth…….Pretty much the same thing as far as being words that begin to have no meaning at all once they… Read more »

LancelotAndrewes
LancelotAndrewes
Reply to  Larry Darrell
2 years ago

Don’t forget ‘Iraq War’ veteran David French. That always gets wheeled out at some point, as if he spent his tour kicking down doors in Fallujah. In fact, he was in the JAG Corps. The closest he came to an explosive device was a shaken can of coke.

Saml Adams
Saml Adams
2 years ago

Buckley was Buckley. There was always that part of him that followed the First Rule of Yalies (and now vegans)—Thou shall inform the listener that you went to Yale within the first five minutes of any conversation. I’m inclined to be a little easier on old Bill. Just old enough (a bit more than Z) to remember when Buckley was one of very few choices on menu. Still recall picking up a copy of “The Jewelers Eye” and thinking “who is this guy?” So for me he was the “ferryman”. By the time Reagan came along, I was already on… Read more »

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Saml Adams
2 years ago

Ha! By the time Reagan came along, I had already read Wilmot Robertson’s “The Dispossessed Majority” and had subscribed to “Instauration” magazine. I was waiting on the other side locked and loaded.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Epaminondas
2 years ago

“Who?”, said Wisner’s Wurlitzer and Operation Mockingbird, as they did business with Martin Luther King, Elijah Muhammid, Whitey Bulger- and William Buckley.

Berk
Berk
2 years ago

“Respectable conservatives” always talk of finding the common middle ground as a way of seeming intelligent that they can see both sides of an argument.

However there are far too many issues where there is no middle ground to take, like on illegal immigration, crime etc

As many have said basically the “conservatives” have just conceded to parts of the leftists plans for the last 50 years.

DeBeers Diamonds
DeBeers Diamonds
Reply to  Berk
2 years ago

Their goal is not to preserve any sense of conservative values whatsoever. The whole point of National Review is to maintain the post-WWII NATO dominated order, this matters even more than cutting taxes on the rich. Buckley was a CIA guy, his project was to ensure that the Right does not return to the traditional foreign policy of the US, as laid down in Washington’s Farewell Address.

Babe Ruthless
Babe Ruthless
2 years ago

Buckley got me to Derb, and Derb took me over. So I can’t whack WFB too hard.

But NRO’s “gatekeeping” is a little silly in the internet age. It’s like a city in ruins, Vandals and Goths running around smashing everything, and they’re still protecting their lonely gate, even though the wall that the gate used to be in has already been smashed to pieces.

NRO is really just a trophy of the left now, a former formidable enemy which is now just one of the harem girls.

MtnExile
MtnExile
Reply to  Babe Ruthless
2 years ago

“To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.”

The Left loves it some National Review. Everything they publish is the shriek of a loser. It’s sweet music to the leftist ear, and if NR were ever faced with actual extinction, I bet Soros would cut a check just to keep the music going.

Saml Adams
Saml Adams
Reply to  MtnExile
2 years ago

Since my g-g-grandad worked for Uncle Billy I’ve always preferred his take… “My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.”

Avalanche
Avalanche
Reply to  Babe Ruthless
2 years ago

“I can’t whack WFB too hard.”

Yes, yes you CAN! And probably should. The fact that YOU started out way behind (as did I, no slur) does not mean that without Buckley providing you with new/foreign info, you’d have stayed there! You might, indeed, have come farther sooner, without the “play nice” admonitions that have so mired the “conservatives,” who can’t even conserve women’s bathrooms!

roo_ster
Member
Reply to  Babe Ruthless
2 years ago

I stuck wth NR for too long. I noticed the rot when I no longer found Sailer or VDare’s founder in the magazine. And when WFB published his Anti-Semitism issue, I was “Huh? What drug is he on?” (Turns out, mega-doses of Adderal & amphetimenes.) And then WFB chose the pantywaist as his successor.

But the Derb Defenestration was the last straw. Never looked back at NR after that. They have been dead to me ever since.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  Babe Ruthless
2 years ago

Phenomenal and succinct this visualization you just gave here. So much so, that is *really* deserves its own meme or political cartoon. A nice simple piece of art showing Jonah Goldberg, Bill Kristol, and David French standing on a gated wall with tin pot helmets on in the scene you described.

Kentucky Headhunter
2 years ago

“Pretty much the only thing they really cared about was being seen as respectable.” What is respect? Dictionary says it means a high or special regard, or to esteem. That’s a little high-brow for me. I’d like a more practical definition on the order of “Don’t fuck with that guy/group.” Respect should have a component of wariness to it. Getting invited to the right parties in NYC or the Beltway isn’t a sign of respect, its just what the Left is willing to pay those of the Right who don’t stand in their way. The Left knows mainstream conservatism is… Read more »

Whitney
Member
2 years ago

Good column but I can sum it up in few words

It’s all vanity without virtue

Drake
Drake
2 years ago

I didn’t dislike Buckley but I always thought of him as a pretentious windbag. My father graduated from Yale magna cum laude with an Economics degree and did NOT talk with an affected accent like somebody had shoved a broom-handle up his ass.

I liked Reagan, liked Pete DuPont, Milton Friedman, and Barry Goldwater. I was suspicious of Bush and was proven right.

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Drake
2 years ago

Buckley’s brother nor his sister had an accent. Funny huh?

Ivar
Member
Reply to  Drake
2 years ago

Buckley was the classic arriviste. I always had the impression that he very badly wanted to be a White Shoe WASP.

Saml Adams
Saml Adams
Reply to  Ivar
2 years ago

Yes, as an actual Winthrop WASP, that part was always funny. But his willingness to correctly address Gore Vidal as a “queer” and threatening to kick his ass on a national broadcast will always endear him to me.

Dtbb
Dtbb
Reply to  Drake
2 years ago

Wasn’t english Buckley’s third language? Maybe he acguired the accent.

Bruno the Arrogant
Bruno the Arrogant
Reply to  Dtbb
2 years ago

A mid-Atlantic accent is always deliberately acquired, it’s not a dialect that’s native to any region.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_accent

Frip
Member
Reply to  Dtbb
2 years ago

I mean, the guy had style. I got a kick out of the accent. He pulled off the whole image exceedingly well. You gotta let an eccentric be an eccentric. Especially when his cool saved conservatism from its fuddy duddy image.

I’m also not down with calling him a windbag. It’s simply a misuse of the term. Windbag is reserved for hollow bullshitters. There’s no doubt Buckley was highly intelligent and cared to speak with meaning.

CAPT S
CAPT S
2 years ago

In my 20s I absorbed NR cover to cover. Sans internet it was the only game in town, and reading it WAS counter-cultural. When I was a WH staffer (of the military variety) during the Clinton years, I did my part my leaving old copies of NR in the AF1 seats of liberal staffers. I even remember seeing Sandy Berger reading one, not that it did him any good, useless & bumbling oxygen-thief that he was. Ultimately I have to credit WFB for making good arguments (rhetoric); and it was NR that introduced me to the legacy of Whittaker Chamers… Read more »

Fritz Geiger
Fritz Geiger
Reply to  CAPT S
2 years ago

> I even remember seeing Sandy Berger reading one,
> not that it did him any good, useless & bumbling
> oxygen-thief that he was.

Not to mention, document-thief…

Epaminondas
Member
2 years ago

“The National Review crowd should be writing their columns while wearing leisure suits and listening to disco.”

Now that almost approaches the realm of poetry. Juvenal would have approved.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Epaminondas
2 years ago

They’re still hoping to go to the Playboy Club.

Drake
Drake
2 years ago

VDH is the only National Review writer I still read. I think he may be their only writer who doesn’t live in the Imperial City or a leftist enclave – and the only one there who understands Trump’s appeal. When he leaves, they can just shut the place down.

Reading his latest – VDH has a good time making fun of our Ivy League idiot overlords.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Drake
2 years ago

VDH has a problem with Southerners for some reason. Just sayin’.

Highspeed2
Highspeed2
Reply to  Epaminondas
2 years ago

Most pundits outside the South have a problem with Southerners. In a column a few months ago, Kurt Schlichter made reference to the North gathering its forces and going South and teaching us another lesson. Of course with a surname of “Schlichter” he’s a Fake American and has to go back.

Jaqship
Jaqship
Reply to  Drake
2 years ago

Yeah, Drake, VDH really gets it on the Ivy League crowd, and on Trump’s appeal, unlike cucks like David French, whose recent Freudian Slip, on a key part of the Jeong issue, shows us a way to present Trumpist etc. thought to Normies, as being utterly *realistic* about the state of US culture (contrasted with cucks etc., who hide from clear tho brutal realities). At https://www.National Review.com/2018/08/sarah-jeong-twitter-controversy-anti-white-racism-exists/ , French spat out the following whopper: “There’s NO realistic scenario, where ‘the tables are turned’, and black Americans visit on white Americans a reverse version of the worst aspects of American history.”… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jaqship
2 years ago

French is positively drooling over that visit of a ‘reverse version’, isn’t he?

Jaqship
Jaqship
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Alzaelbo, even if he’s not, he’s opened the door, for us to *fairly* deride his myopia on this ‘reverse’.
And, while we’re at it, we can hit Normies with the view of Archdruid J.M. Greer, that the (‘New Left’- influenced) Elites’ hate of the white working class (e.g. for ducking the 1960s ‘Revolution’) hides behind their pushing ID politics on race etc., see http://theArchdruidReport.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-Hate-that-Dare-Not-Speak-its-name.html .
(My sense of it is, that Greer has much respect in Environmentalist circles, esp. after he called Trump’s victory, in *JAN.* 2016 !! See http://theArchdruidReport.blogspot.com/2016/01/down-ratholes-of-Future.html .)

Callmelennie
Callmelennie
Reply to  Jaqship
2 years ago

Careful, now. French is employing a straw man argument here. He’s saying there’s no possibility that blacks will be able to impose a reverse version of the WORST aspects of American history — black slavery and black segregation enforced by terroristic methods such as public lynchings Of course that wont happen. Blacks would need to be in the majority and own a monopoly on violence and whites would need to be overcoming centuries of conditioning that made them believe they were less than human. An all out war would erupt long before any of those goals could be realized. And… Read more »

Jaqship
Jaqship
Reply to  Callmelennie
2 years ago

Well, Callmelennie, some might be saying that “certain groups want to impose a soft version of this”, but others are saying that the coming version may well be *quite* unsoft. Once M. Johnson systematically mowed down 5 Dallas cops, *and* Obama’s speech about it subtly flipped the bird to the dead cops’ families, different scenarios got much more realistic. Why shouldn’t we fear, that cops could become so intimidated, that such blacks can look forward to a day, when they’ll see no real pushback for their emulation of Johnson’s conduct, at not only cops, but *all* whites? And, didn’t the… Read more »

Jaqship
Jaqship
Reply to  Jaqship
2 years ago

The worst of Obama’s speech was, where he touted the Sterling case as a legit beef vs. cops.

Jaqship
Jaqship
Reply to  Jaqship
2 years ago
calsdad
calsdad
Reply to  Jaqship
2 years ago

Those groups that are saying that the coming version may be “unsoft” – have their heads up their collective asses. They have no real way to carry thru with those threats – therefore they’re engaging in something that isn’t much more than a revenge porn fantasy cosplay exercise. Blacks are still a distinct minority in this country. And on a per capita basis: they own FAR less guns. They’re also congregated to a large degree in the cities. Gunning down another gangsta doesn’t make you a guerilla fighter. At least some of them are smart enough to know that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VqG_4ADFfQ… Read more »

Jaqship
Jaqship
Reply to  calsdad
2 years ago

Carlesdad, with all due respect, I suspect that they may well have real ways to *significantly* carry thru with those threats, at least for a while. Just for starters, one well-placed Micah Johnson can do major damage before he’s taken out, ESP. in a JIT-delivery economy characterized, in at least some parts, far more by “efficiency”, than by resiliency. One, or 19, well-placed black Osamas can do huge damage, before he/ they are taken out. If 19 Osamas were willing to DIE to kill thousands of us, there may well be 190 black Osamas willing to die to kill millions… Read more »

Anti-Gnostic
Anti-Gnostic
Reply to  Jaqship
2 years ago

“Why shouldn’t we fear, that cops could become so intimidated, that such blacks can look forward to a day, when they’ll see no real pushback for their emulation of Johnson’s conduct, at not only cops, but *all* whites?”

Because that would be an irrational fear.

Jaqship
Jaqship
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic
2 years ago

Irrational?!!
More so than blacks’ fear of cops, which is pushed by the likes of T. Coates, who is in turn deified by the MSM?

C.Martel
C.Martel
Reply to  Jaqship
2 years ago

With French, the reason is obvious isn’t it? He is a no-holds-barred libertarian who believes that race absolutely doesn’t matter, even to the point of adopting a black child.

When looking at blacks raised by whites, how did Barack Obama or Colin Kaepernick turn out? Their black parents ditched them, yet they identified all the more strongly with them.

I think the Frenches, kindhearted as they are, are in for a rude awakening.

c828
c828
2 years ago

“The National Review crowd should be writing their columns while wearing leisure suits and listening to disco.”

Killshot.

Tax Slave
Reply to  c828
2 years ago

Who says they don’t?

Severian
2 years ago

I always hear this stuff about “being acceptable on the DC cocktail party circuit.” I reckon it’s true, and based on that, when I’m dictator, I’m bringing back the full panoply of manners. E.g. Derb somewhere quotes Bertrand Russell quoting Gladstone: “This is a very good port they have given me, but why have they given it me in a claret glass?” Since nobody in America has manners anymore — Buckley did, give him that — we’ve replaced all the argle-bargle about which wine goes in which glass with ruthless ideological conformity.

Jaqship
Jaqship
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

Yeah, Severian, Buckley’s manners were really important. Imagine if he came off like another Sauce-dominated McCarthy, his cause would’ve been set back decades. Likewise with Goldwater, who could pull no punches on substance, but also be well known for his *friendship* with JFK. If we stand our ground on *substance*, but speak to (well-behaved) others with the civility which we *demand* from them, we’ll show that we stand for Civilization in all respects, e.g. in our rigorous analysis of issues, and in our individual comportment. Such conduct would contrast us favorably with the Antifa etc. types, whose conduct keeps getting… Read more »

Jaqship
Jaqship
Reply to  Jaqship
2 years ago

And, Normies should see the Documentary “Best of Enemies”, showing Buckley’s struggle to keep a grip, in the face of Vidal’s systematic effort to provoke him, by Bratting it Up in their 1968 TV debates.

Jaqship
Jaqship
Reply to  Jaqship
2 years ago

And, then show Normies the SJWs’ penchant for “calculated GUILT trips” of whites, as *specified* by Briahna Gray, Senior Politics Editor at Greenwald’s “The Intercept”, in her striking essay at https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/02/the-politics-of-Shame .
There she scolds Lefties for their stupid habit of trying to *shame* whites, and admits that SJWs’ “gloating over ‘white tears” just stiffens white resolve.

Zeroth Tollrants
Zeroth Tollrants
Reply to  Jaqship
2 years ago

Horse shit. We should lace up jack boots & curb stomp them until their eyeballs are dangling from their sockets & their jaws hang at an unnatural angle from their heads.
Nothing less will do.

Jaqship
Jaqship
Reply to  Zeroth Tollrants
2 years ago

“stomp them until their eyeballs are dangling”. From whom, upon whom, how, and when? Should individual Trump supporters stomp all SJWs, even the 15 year-olds who could flip to us in a heartbeat, esp. after they get earfuls, from Normie Elders revolted by the growing/ coming Game-Changing exposes, of the Hillary/ Obama/ Brennan/ WaPo/ CNN etc. plot to frame Trump? (See Sundance at the Last Refuge, and R. McGovern, etc., at https://consortiumnews.com/ . Sundance calls the coming storm “The Big Ugly”.) Why wouldn’t you wait to give Trump a chance, to line up the *legal* machinery, say, after his foes… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Zeroth Tollrants
2 years ago

We might castigate the women for their underlying instincts- to select for the worst killers- but, in the end, they may be entirely, naturally right.

Frip
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Are you saying Zeroth Tollrants is a woman? If so I’m honestly scared.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Frip
2 years ago

I cheer both her and (Mr.) Severian’s wicked, scathing wit.

I will bet you dollars to donuts she’s a Western gal- the kind who’s gran happily shot back at Injuns and outlaws. A true Celt.

Ex-Pralite Monk
Ex-Pralite Monk
Reply to  Zeroth Tollrants
2 years ago

Jack boots don’t have laces.

David Wright
Member
2 years ago

Buckley purged all the relevant and talented writers right before NR and Buckley himself became irrelevant.

I wouldn’t know anything about the goings on of NR or even Goldberg if it wasn’t for Z’s writings here. Over two million bucks from some guy named Asness eh. They truly are an incestuous bunch. The position was probably created as an advance for future favors.

Aitch748
Member
2 years ago

I stopped calling myself a conservative a year or so ago, in large part because Donald Trump made it so obvious that famous conservatives are talkers and not problem-solvers. Conservatives do little more than TALK about how the country is going in the wrong direction, but when some can-do person steps up to the plate and vows to FIX things, the dunces in the Beltway country club unite in confederacy against him. Sarah Palin showed up as John McCain’s VP, and the lapdog media spent years ridiculing her until she finally stepped down from politics. Donald Trump shows up and… Read more »

Sim1776
Sim1776
Reply to  Aitch748
2 years ago

Welcome to the Dissident Right!

DeBeers Diamonds
DeBeers Diamonds
Reply to  Aitch748
2 years ago

The average conservative voter lives a consumerist lifestyle not that distinct from their liberal bugman peer. Boomer male NFL fans often complain that the game is “too soft” even though we know it causes brain damage. Then they act shocked when they find out that most NFL players are black nationalists. Meanwhile Mr. Boomer’s (second, third) wife is an avid fan of Starbucks and reality TV.

Avalanche
Avalanche
Reply to  Aitch748
2 years ago

Try “Alt Right” on for size: From: http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/01/dont-resist-truth.html … This is why the Alt-Right Revolution is inevitable. Despite the propaganda in which the young man has been steeped for his entire life, despite being “smart” and “informed” and “well-educated”, which is to say “brainwashed” and “misinformed” and “maleducated”, truth and tribe attract him. There are not two alternatives. … … The Alt-Right is not a temptation, it is the answer for those who wish to save America from its loss of meaning, identity, and legitimacy. It is not the nationalism of the Alt-Right, but the civic nationalism of the Alt-Lite… Read more »

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
2 years ago

I fear change. I look at the trash people flooding into my country and I fear for its future. I look at liberals telling their daughters to embrace their vices and abandon their virtues and I fear for them too. Now their men are doing the same with contemptible practices like ‘game’ and ‘pick up artistry.’ I watch the collapse of the mass media and I fear we have no voice in official channels. Watching the tech giants move against unofficial channels like Oytube, Twatter and Fecesbook is no cause for comfort. To tell the truth I would rather not… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Glenfilthie
2 years ago

We’re the White Russians.
Kulaks today, zeks tomorrow.

BestGuest
BestGuest
2 years ago

The only thing I want to hear from the commentariat toadies is “Alex Jones (Richard Spencer, Louis Farrakhan. . .) is a United States citizen with all the attendant rights and privileges accruing to that status.” Spare me the virtue signalling and the tacit approval of de-platforming. Isn’t there even one cuck with a spine?

wjkathman
wjkathman
2 years ago

Another way to split conservatives into two groups is by differentiating between those who are sincerely committed to conservative principles and those who are mere careerists of the popular movement. George Will and the National Review crowd seem not to give a damn about anything aside from their own status. I suspect the same of Ben Shapiro as well. It’s legitimate conservatives versus Conservative, Inc. Would the careerists ever risk their good fortunes by going out on a limb to defend some higher yet controversial value? It’s doubtful in a lot of cases. Yet another way to split conservatives is… Read more »

Zeroth Tollrants
Zeroth Tollrants
Reply to  wjkathman
2 years ago

You “suspect” Shapiro, as well?
Have you been living in a cave? That little adenoidal voiced, whiny tribe member is happily, gleefully throwing away OUR country, with both hands, & is totally cool with the whites being cleansed to make way for the browns. That is, in between the times he’s not actively pushing for white, Southern Christian boys to go fight & die in a proxy war for him & his fellow desert merchant Semites.
F*CK Ben Shapiro & the Jonah Goldberg he rode in on.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
2 years ago

That’s why I love reading Taki himself. He gives such delicious dish, reminiscing about the lost High Age. Plagiarized from Kunstler’s Clusterfuck Nation, despite it’s loony virtue sniffers: “That’s what happens when you opt for multiculturalism as your number one political principle. Why can’t the solution be like in old New York city with its Little Italy, China Town, and so on? Why was that not considered multiculturalism? It seemed to work well for all, no? …there are no shared values and can’t be in a system of ‘multiculturalism’. We have been tearing down those ‘shared’ values for 2-3 generations… Read more »

Jaqship
Jaqship
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Yeah, Alzaebo, Kunstler’s site has its virtue sniffers, but he’s *very* good at speaking to *Normes*, and some of his commenters are at times quite gripping, e.g. Volodya and FincaInTheMountains.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jaqship
2 years ago

Kunstler’s a delight, his readers mention the Zman, but I come for Janos.

J Clivas
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Multiculturalism is a code word.

Tax Slave
Reply to  J Clivas
2 years ago

For “white annihilation.”

Jaqship
Jaqship
Reply to  Tax Slave
2 years ago

To sell Normies on this, “rub their noses” into NYT’s backing of Jeong on “extinction”.

Big Bill
Big Bill
2 years ago

Goldberg’s father-in-law was Paul Gavora (d. 2018). His incredible story here:

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/newsminer/obituary.aspx?n=v-paul-gavora&pid=189118987&fhid=39890

Paul had nine children and worked his butt off. He built a business empire in Alaska. His daughter (at 38) married Jonah (at 32), and they only have one (1) kid.

What disappointment he must have felt when his daughter told him she was marrying Jonah. What disappointment when his daughter chose to write speeches instead of making babies and a home.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
2 years ago

In regards to “Peisistratos”, Trump, in the most dangerous job in the world, is trying to play one group of billionaire donors against another group of billionaire donors. Conservative Inc. vs Globalist Left. The problem is transparency, and borders. These are vertically integrated groups, shrouded in the Cloud’s secrecy, operating above borders. “Corporations bigger than most nations is the problem. Multi-nationals are the work-around to the Constitution. The Constitution restricts government, allegedly.” (Web comment) How to counter this? Who’s Church has the megaphone? The Buckleyites told us that the status quo WAS the transcendant natural order. Nature, though, disagrees with… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

The question, then, is this:

Will Nature’s God- “race”- supercede the multinational Cloud Hive?

As the Z says, Goldman realizes this, Goldberg does not.

Lance_E
Member
2 years ago

I think of conservatism as more of an institution than a movement. A movement has political goals. An institution is, generally speaking, concerned with perpetuating itself. And conservatism has all of the hallmarks of a failing institution.

Conservatives ignoring the alt-right aren’t much different from record executives ignoring the internet, or Kodak fixating on photo printing. They only know what they know, and somehow manage to convince themselves that their obvious deficiencies are somehow a competitive edge.

Tax Slave
2 years ago

When civil war goes hot it would be fun watching Goldberg, Kristol, Will and their adherent cucks equivocating over which side would actually protect them. They’d be changing their socks every hour with all the piss running down their legs.

Frip
Member
2 years ago

“feckless airhead”. Man that stings. I’m now moved to do everything in my power, every single day, so as never to be called a feckless airhead.

Troll King(-56)
Troll King(-56)
2 years ago

So far as I can tell, Buckley pared down conservatism to the single issue of anti communism, which was already an anachronism for our side, but was becoming congenial to the neoconservatives. It was all a leg in the takeover of the right by the neocons. Now Buckley’s children are distinguished writers with big Hollywood movie deals, while we sculk in anonymity. There has not been a defining issue or ideology for conservatism since the demise of the Soviet Union. National review and allied publications have been like a compass at the North Pole, wobbling through 360 degrees, since 1991.

Troll King(-56)
Troll King(-56)
Reply to  Troll King(-56)
2 years ago

My point being that it’s all a distraction from THE issue, the national question, the only issue of any substance. Why are both sides so against it?

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Troll King(-56)
2 years ago

Why are both sides so against the national question? Because both sides are funded by a transnational tribe that insists on the end of homogeneous white countries. Also, GOP is paid to reduce labor costs through mass immigration while Dems want voters.

Knock knock knock=Georgia61?
Knock knock knock=Georgia61?
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

That explains a certain Dylan song, lol

Boy they jumped all over you for that! Pardon the leading question!

Frank
Frank
2 years ago

Z – your writing prompted me to look up Whitaker Chambers. In the fog of history it is easy to forget who was who in the Alger Hiss story. Not so amazing is how a long list of democrats dismissed his allegations for so many years. I was surprised to learn of the impact that the book Witness had on Ronald Reagan (who I still think is the greatest president of my lifetime by orders of magnitude. I also found an interesting quote in the Wikopedia write up: According to conservative commentator George Will in 2017: Witness became a canonical… Read more »

Shane
Shane
Reply to  Frank
2 years ago

This is going to sound pretty off tangent, but I know one of Z’s favourites Mencken had a disdain for democracy, and favoured something resembling an Aristocracy as it would function like the aristocratic families of Europe, gate keepers and sponsors of High Culture. One of the things about Grand Old families of Europe, and the Southern U.S was the ubiquitous Military Service. Maybe just my interpretation going from Talebs skin in the game concept which is fairly common sense. Having to serve in the Armed forces with enforced discipline tends to be a great dose of reality. You get… Read more »

Dr. Dre
Dr. Dre
Reply to  Shane
2 years ago

SO sorry, Shane, but upper class Southern US young men no longer enter the military and that has been true for c. 50 yrs or so. I live in a city named for a Revolutionary War hero. His descendants live here still. Not one of these guys served so much as a day in service, esp during Vietnam, yet they continue as members of groups like the Order of the Cincinnati. Phoneys, all!

Shane
Shane
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Fair point Z, but that Escobar chap made a killing from Colombian pharmaceuticals and agricultural production. Still seems a little bit dishonest

David Wright
Member
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Word is he is a vile man on a personal level. Berating subordinates with F bombs etc.

Jaqship
Jaqship
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Yeah, Zman, but Will was quite good at making his pitch plausible to foes of the Left.

In Statecraft as Soulcraft, he stood rather tall, in explaining Burke’s emphasis on Prudence, and in defining conservatism as the view, that tradition is *instrumental* to assessment of the Good, rather than determinative of the Good.

Too bad that he became such an UberCuck.

Frip
Member
Reply to  Jaqship
2 years ago

“Burke’s emphasis on Prudence”, jesus christ no wonder my conservative books are collecting dust in my attic

james wilson
james wilson
Member
Reply to  Frip
2 years ago

Burke would have admired the string of editors, of which Soban was only one, who left NR when they figured out Conservative Inc. and Buckley were only holding the fort for Progs. Burke was a giant, who opposed the British war against the colonies even as he sat in government, and later single handedly turned public and private opiinion against supporting the Frecnh revolutionaries, and in so doing demolished their mouthpiece in Britian, Tom Paine. Buckley maintained insufferable affectations, Burke had none.

Frip
Member
Reply to  james wilson
2 years ago

Well said

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Frank
2 years ago

The safe bet is Will doesn’t have any actual core belief other than self-image. In his excerpted rap on Chambers, Will likely isn’t expressing anything he believes (the probability is he doesn’t care one way or another). Will’s criticism is to ingratiate himself with the Leftists who put food on his table, including his wife’s employer, more about which to follow. No, Will is virtue signaling, indicating he also shares his patrons’ disdain for Chambers albeit with a purportedly conservative gloss. If you want to get really nauseated, read Will’s love letters to the great liberal Senator Daniel “Pat” Moynihan.… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

+1 for “The damage that did to the nation by not pushing back… is incalculable.”

slumlord
slumlord
Reply to  Frank
2 years ago

People don’t realise how much Chambers had at stake taking on Hiss. Hiss was the Establishment and the elites could not even contemplate the notion that he was guilty. Venona proved them wrong.

Cloudbusterj
Member
2 years ago

I find it a good rule of thumb that if a writer has been kicked out of National Review, they’re worth reading: Joe Sobran, Peter Brimelow, Ann Coulter, John Derbyshire, Mark Steyn. I’m probably forgetting a few.

Best Guest
Best Guest
Reply to  Cloudbusterj
2 years ago

Too true.

Joe Suber
Joe Suber
2 years ago

Buckley was an anti-Soviet cold-warrior in a pre-internet world, which is hard to put in context today; sacrifices were made to expediency. It is true that a “transcendent moral order” was not always the first consideration. Conservatism was never “booming” enough for that luxury, even in the 80s. Funding was always an issue, as was described in detail in yearly appeals to subscribers. He consequently had to be accepted by (((them))), and it is clear that he lost control of the magazine to (((them))) in his dotage. He wrote column after column condemning post 9/11 neocon foreign policy choices, yet… Read more »

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  Joe Suber
2 years ago

“Or maybe globohomo just never quits.” This is the distilled essence of the entire problem, as well as something that belongs in a tag line. They’ve been ‘at it’ for a cool century plus now. This rot started gaining momentum at the turn of the PREVIOUS century. They tried manifold ways to break down the gates, killing millions in the process. Then they realized it is much easier to infiltrate and lift the gates open yourself once you’ve infected the entire population with the mind virus. ‘The long march through the institutions’ is now basically complete. Witness by the glorious… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Apex Predator
2 years ago

Agree, another +1 for those lonely tinpot helmets.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Joe Suber
2 years ago

Globohomo never quits. China was raised up by the multinationals to replace the USSR, who failed to capture the Emerging World.

The depopulation occurs when Moorish Europe, successfully reconned by globohomo, wages a limited nuclear war with the Han Empire to seize control of the Belt.

Impoverished Mulatto-Mestizo America will watch helplessly.

Frip
Member
Reply to  Joe Suber
2 years ago

“Or maybe globohomo just never quits.” Great line. A kind of black pill. If I were a pozzed merchant I’d make it into a t-shirt. “Globohomo never quits.” Man. I think you’re right. Terrible truth. We must crush. To mangle John Lennon, “Crush is the answer.”

Frip
Member
2 years ago

When you’re young you assume accepted political writers simply write what they think. Then after you get the idea of social status, in-groups, etc, you realize there’s about 5 different reasons why a writer writes what he does.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
2 years ago

Goldberg’s column on how special he and those like him are was a pathetic circle jerk. Those types find themselves in a strange place: no longer of interest to the Right, no longer of any use to the Left/Marxists they faithfully served so long. Reading the National Review and like publications these days is astonishingly like attending a concert given by a dinosaur rock band, hearing familiar tunes sung by older, weaker, offkey voices accompanied by instrumentals about as gripping as Middle Ages harpists. I, you, and likely several others here came to find even commenting a NRO too tedious… Read more »

Frip
Member
2 years ago

NR’s obit for Sobran, 2010: “Our former NR colleague, Joe Sobran, passed away today after a long battle with a variety of ailments. He was relatively young, just 64, and while physically beaten at the end, he also departed spiritually triumphant. Surely, in short order, there will be ample reflection — much of it critical — on the hyper-talented, hyper-controversial writer. There will be a recounting of his history at NR, the break, the following years, and Joe’s soured relationship with WFB (happily, they rekindled their friendship before Bill passed away). Good, let’s discuss all that, and more. But later.… Read more »

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Frip
2 years ago

Ann Coulter came out with a great eulogy. Oddly, never found anything from Pat Buchanan on his passing.

Frip
Member
Reply to  David Wright
2 years ago

Sobran was something of a self saboteur. One instance is when Buchanon and Scott McConnell wanted him to play a big role with The American Conservative. Sobran was going to speak at some Holocaust denial conference. The other two pleaded with him not to, and said if he did, then TAC couldn’t give him a platform. Sobran insisted on speaking at the dead end conference and so threw away his chance at career redemption (and literally being able to pay his heating bills for once.) Not sure if that’s why Buchanon never mentioned his passing. Who knows what kind of… Read more »

BestGuest
BestGuest
Reply to  Frip
2 years ago

More details please. Even sketchy ones. . .

Frip
Member
Reply to  BestGuest
2 years ago

McConnell in TAC, April 2018: “TAC faced some painful choices in the early going. Buchanon, with my full agreement, had hoped that we could publish regularly Joe Sobran, the very talented Catholic writer who had run afoul of Midge Decter for writing critically about Israel…I didn’t think Sobran had written anything that had justified Buckley’s action…He was, it was widely known, in financial difficulty. A couple of months before our first issue I read in The Forward that Joe was slated to speak at a Holocaust denial congress. I called Pat immediately, and he agreed that this was both sad… Read more »

Frip
Member
Reply to  Frip
2 years ago

I forgot to mention that NR made sure the reader understood that the Sobran obit was written by a single individual with a name. And did not come from the magazine as a whole, or the editors. The New York Times obit for Sobran is remarkable for its restraint, even perhaps, charity. Relatively speaking of course. It somehow managed not to refer to him as an anti-Semite (it did allude). And it even offered a sympathetic/rational quote from Joe on the issue. Who’d have thought back in the 70’s that one day the NYT would give Sobran a generous obituary,… Read more »

Shane
Shane
2 years ago

Here’s a minor Happy little sprouting seed for any youngish Gen Xers or older Millenials. https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/08/dooms-mortally-challenged-comment-has-sjws-calling-it-gross-and-anti-immigration/66299/ Now it’s only gaming, it’s something I stopped a long time ago and its not the cultural High ground. But it is rhetoric of our’s delivered through top class trolling. Doom is a big deal in gaming, and it will sell spectaculary. If our rhetoric is trickling down to troll Leftie thats a big plus. The whole gamergate thing was one of the first time Prog Pozzing of entertainment got a bloody nose. A lot if the chaps maybe neets, hakikomoris, spergy and all… Read more »

Gravity Denier
Gravity Denier
2 years ago

I understand the changes you’ve been through about Bill Buckley. Long ago, I took him at face value: deep thinker who could quote from the classics, slayer of liberals in debates, etc. That side of him was real enough, but it took me a while to get it that despite his personal charisma he was a Quisling. You mention George Will. I admired him for a long time, even while recognizing that he was puppet opposition, the Washington Post’s token conservative. In some ways I still appreciate what he was in a different era, say in the ’80s. His columns… Read more »

Frip
Member
Reply to  Gravity Denier
2 years ago

GravityDenier. Nice comment in a way. But it’s a bit late in the game now for you to be harboring sentiment for Will. Same about Buckley “slaying liberals in debates.” Vidal and Chomsky made him look almost ignorant at times. I’d say Buckley was downright slothy in debates. No one has time for his slow motion windup look-at-me questions. I’m not even that impressed with his violent threat to Vidal. Can you even picture Buckley throwing a punch? 10 to 1 he threw a baseball like a girl. Funny how Sobran was always on to Will. I remember reading some… Read more »

Wilson McWilliams
Wilson McWilliams
Reply to  Frip
2 years ago

https://spectator.org/george-will-and-the-contemporary-political-conversation/

Thanks for the link, Frip.

I never knew that Mr. George Will had been called out as a hollow man and cuck… 35 years ago.

Gravity Denier
Gravity Denier
Reply to  Frip
2 years ago

Frip, thanks for linking to the Joe Sobran review. An excellent piece. I may have to edit my retrospective estimate of Will based on what I thought was his better days. And, not having been familiar with Sobran other than having heard of him, I will check out his output as well.

Rod1963
Rod1963
2 years ago

The proper term for nasty old conservatives like Buckely and other intellectuals iin the movement is “kept men”.

They were whores for the establishment – controlled opposition. This is why Buckely purged the movement of populists, Birchers, immigration restrictionists. Those men were threats to the established ruling order and could introduce “doubleplusungood bad thoughts” into the population.

Hell the movement was in such bad shape by the time Trump showed up, the only real conservative left were the Paleocons.

Tim
Tim
Member
2 years ago

Speaking as an old man who doesn’t like change, since 9/11 I’ve had Instapundit at the top of my bookmarks list. It’s been a source of some irritation that the blog, and Ed Driscoll in particular, seems to be doing its level best to rehabilitate Goldberg, with regular links and long quotes. I like Glenn Reynolds a lot, but the libertarian slant and the support for NR there increasingly bugs me. That’s my problem, but old habits are hard to change at 70 years old. On the bright side, started reading Shots Fired, a collection of essays by Sam Francis.… Read more »

BestGuest
BestGuest
Reply to  Tim
2 years ago

The “Instapundit” of old is no longer. It’s been a subsidiary of PJMedia for some time. PJM was a Roger Simon/Charles Johnson/Aubrey Chernick enterprise. I don’t know who backs it now.

Member
2 years ago

Eff those old cucks, what about guys like me who eagerly await the change and worry about being too old by the time the fun starts?

slumlord
slumlord
2 years ago

Buckley gets a lot of shit from both the Dissident and the Alt-Right but the underlying assumption here is that anyone who want’s to call themselves “Right” should automatically become part of the club, and that Buckley was wrong in opposing this notion. Don’t get me wrong, Buckley did go off the rails later on, craving establishment acceptance over Truth, but early on he was right to purge some elements. In 1957, Buckley published, “Big Sister is Watching You”, by Whittaker Chambers which devastated any libertarian claims to membership of the Right, well before anyone else did. Furthermore, his expulsion… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
2 years ago

A while ago, someone asked for a definition of “poz”. I found one, and the Bucks are most certainly pozzed.

“The literal meaning of poz is a reference to the practice of political gays of deliberately infecting themselves with HIV in order to be holier than the next homosexual…

The metaphorical meaning of poz is the adoption of policies and programs likely to destroy one’s ethnic group, one’s friends, one’s own career, and oneself, as for example a code of conduct…”

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

In that case, Sweden is one big poz.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Epaminondas
2 years ago

Uhm the West has gone poz. But true, Sweden is ahead of the pack.

tullamore92
tullamore92
2 years ago

When I think of WFB I think of the following, and it colors everything I read and (think I) know about him, because it seems so spot on (yes, I suffer with my own “Pup”): https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/william-f-buckley-a-case-study-in-narcissistic-personality-disorder/

Frip
Member
Reply to  tullamore92
2 years ago

I read that Anonymous Conservative essay some time ago. It was good and revealing. I too have true narcissists in my life. I think AC goes too far on inadequate evidence. Unless you know a person well in real life, it is hard to know whether they’re very self centered or in fact, Narcissistic. Both are bad. But narcissism, clinically defined, is a whole other ballgame. And usually socially and professionally debilitating. AC attributes all of Buckley’s antics to some kind of sado narcissistic impulse, missing the point that often, Buckley simply liked fucking with people. Like his sissy son… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  tullamore92
2 years ago

For a similar but better take based on personal experience, Google Peter Brimelow’s outstanding essay on Buckley’s narcissism. I don’t have the link handy, unfortunately. It’s devastating and rings with absolute truth.

chedolf
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

This one?

“What really motivated Buckley was ego and vanity.” https://vdare.com/articles/william-f-buckley-jr-rip-sort-of

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  chedolf
2 years ago

Yes, thanks.

TomA
TomA
2 years ago

Once upon a time, labels conveyed useful meaning and enabled preliminary assessment of others in the absence of immediate concrete information. Frequently, this assessment was a soft version of “friend or foe” and either allowed for enhanced trust or wariness depending upon the connotation. Now we live in deceitful times and disinformation often renders labels meaningless. The old standard of looking into someones eyes when speaking with them is still the best alternative to second or third-hand innuendo.

Lorenzo
Lorenzo
2 years ago

What is “Applied Liberty” anyway? Each of those words has meaning but their combination in that phrase makes no sense.

Dirk Manley
Dirk Manley
Reply to  Lorenzo
2 years ago

Lorenzo, that would be as opposed to say, Theoretical Liberty, such as what existed in the Soviet Union. If you ever read the Constitution of the Soviet Union, it sounds like a human-rights paradise that makes our Constition seem extremely underwhelming in nature. However, IN PRACTICE, there was no liberty in the Soviet Union, unless you were the guy at the very top. The guarantee of Free Speech — violated BY THE GOVERNMENT on a daily basis. A right to a trial — completely corrupted by the fact that the judge in every trial had one job, and one job… Read more »

UpYours
UpYours
2 years ago

The dissolution of the USSR was the worst thing to the happen to the American Right and the USA itself. “Official Conservatism” went off the rails in 1989 and has been wandering in the wilderness ever since. Buckley was a right man for the 60’s and 70’s. Bashing him now is like bashing Jefferson for owning slaves in the 1780’s.

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