Open Air Absurdistan

One of the defining features of this age is that it is hard to keep pace with the absurdity we see promoted by the people who rule over us. The degree of nuttiness is certainly a big part of our growing revulsion, but it is also the speed. In the 1990’s, it was possible for Bill Clinton, the leader of the respectable Left, to dismiss homosexual marriage. Ten years later, no one on the Left dared do that. Ten years ago, men in dresses were freaks to be mocked. Today they are objects of worship by the finest people in the land.

There are a lot of people offering up explanations for why the people in charge have suddenly gone mad. Mass mental illness, caused by a pathogen would not only explain the problem, but make for an interesting movie plot. Perhaps this is just what the end of a historical epoch is like. Having lost a reason to exist, the ruling classes indulge in whatever craziness they can muster. Maybe our rulers are so alien to us that their sense of normal falls well outside what the rest of us consider decent and proper.

Another reason may be that democracy lacks an innate legitimacy and authority, so it relies on openness to sustain itself. The authority of a parent relies on the fact the father is the head of the household. He is in charge because he can impose his will. Democracy lacks this natural ability to impose its will on the public, so it must seek consensus, which requires a public expression of the general will. In order for everyone to go along with whatever has been decided, they need to see that the majority is in favor of it.

This openness can only work if everyone in the society is welcome to participate in the process of deciding things. It’s why all modern experiments with democracy quickly move from a limited franchise to a full franchise. Once the West started experimenting with democracy in the 19th century, the franchise expanded quickly, even though most nations still had some form of monarchy. In modern America we are handing ballots to the mentally ill, prisoners and to foreigners now. The door to the voting booth is wide open.

The thing is, culture and morality, the shared intellectual space of every society, can only exist with clear borders. What defines French culture from German culture is not just physical distance and biology. There is a shared reality of the French that excludes all others. It is the opposite of open. It is closed. The same is true of moral systems. To exist, they must draw lines between what is and what is not acceptable. That which defines a people is the rejection of openness in favor of a closed, exclusive mode of thought.

Saying “this is not who we are” seems to track with not knowing who we are or why we are even a “we” anymore. The reason for that is the great effort to fulfill the needs of democracy has left western countries as deconstructed components of what used to be a rational, bounded society. France is no longer a closed system, but simply a remnant of a society, the pieces of what used to make up France. No one talks about what it means to be French, because everyone can be French. It’s a thing with no form now.

If the theoretical end point of liberal democracy is a world without boundaries, physical or cultural, then it is a world without morality. After all, morality is a world of fences and gates that control human behavior within the closed social system. In order for there to be a moral order, there must be order and that must include boundaries. Once the boundaries lose their purpose, the fences and gates are simply gravestones in a cemetery of a long forgotten people. No one cares if the kids knock over the grave stones.

In fact, in a world without form, the hunt for something to level becomes increasingly urgent as there is less and less to knock over. Once the statues of the great men of the past are removed, their names must be removed. Once the basics of family life have been destroyed through divorce and feminism, the innocence of childhood is attacked via the degeneracy of transgenderism. Those hunting for grave stones to topple become increasing frantic as the supply of objects to desecrate dwindles after every spasm.

Maybe the people in late empire Rome, or just before the French Revolution, thought the world was going crazy too. Perhaps part of the social cycle is a period of frantic lunacy that is really just a form of panic at the prospect of cultural death. There was certainly a lot of weirdness with the Romans toward the end of the Republic. The French aristocracy was painting themselves up like clowns toward the end. Maybe to the normal people in those ages, these things were as revolting as seeing drag queen story time.

On the other hand, what we think of today as liberal democracy is a great novelty with which we have little experience. Full democracy in America has only existed since the middle of the last century. That’s roughly three generations. The same is true of Europe, where it was imposed after the last war. Eastern Europe has little of the degeneracy we see in the West, mostly because they just adopted liberal democracy. We could simply be seeing what John Adams observed. Democracies always murder themselves.

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Exile
Exile
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5 years ago

Those in the vanguard of moral madness today are predominantly scions of broken families. WEIRD family structues have degenerated from extended families to nuclear to atomized individuals “hooking up.” This has broken the normal transmission of parenting skills from parents to children and set up a huge negative feedback loop at the core of our society. The craziest SJW’s I’ve known seem driven by adolescent angst and revenge against their own upbringing. Like locusts rubbing wings, these malcontents radicalize each other and draw those less damaged into their madness by social pressure. Crazy people who can LARP as functional tend… Read more »

The Babe
The Babe
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Reply to  Exile
5 years ago

Modern life makes most families into “broken” families by historical standards. That’s part of the problem.

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Exile
5 years ago

Well said. The Babe too. However its not easy to control hypergamy in a wealthy urban society with a lot of boots on necks and that may not even work. Iran is a literal theocracy and it has a 1.5 TFR and rampant decay and Saudi Arabia where women have mostly zip rights and custom to enforce it is just a bit above replacement, maybe. A society (US White here) with a total fertility rate of 1.6-1.8 and like half of them, illegitimate or divorce victims can’t be healthy . This is a real healthy TFR of like 1.0 and… Read more »

Ivan
Ivan
Reply to  A.B. Prosper
5 years ago

Most people think religion exists to provide a common morality but they’re wrong. Humans and animals have a morality independent of religion which can be seen in studies of babies and altruistic behavior in wild animals (to other species even). Religion is social technology. It exists simply because those who are religious out-reproduce those who are not over time. If you remove the parts of it that promote fertility it’s no longer a religion, just an ideology that has to recruit new members at or above replacement levels or die out. Most of the world thought Christianity was a dead… Read more »

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Ivan
5 years ago

The LDS are quite fertile with Utah being one of the few states with above replacement fertility unless its finally declined . No one minds if they want to LARP like its 1980 Singapore literally did what you suggested and tried to make its National Night (its biggest holiday) into a fertility celebration with ads, sponsors (Mentos of all things) and more including government support from its Social Development Unit Its was a complete and utter failure as such rituals have to be organic and believed in by the ruling class Since this is a high information, high tech urban… Read more »

Educated.Redneck
Educated.Redneck
Reply to  Exile
5 years ago

Homeschool or die.

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  Educated.Redneck
5 years ago

Homeschooling was the norm in the US along with very small schools. In areas where education was valued , this produced a remarkably well educated population all things considered. Teaching at home is easier than it used to be but I’d suggest that homeschooling families ought to get to know other homeschooling families . Knowing someone who has skill or knowledge in subject matter that you don’t have is invaluable. I don’t have kids but if I did, my math skills beyond maybe basic algebra are weak and my science could use a upgrade I can learn these things but… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
5 years ago

“Having lost a reason to exist, the ruling classes indulge in whatever craziness they can muster.”- They didn’t lose it. They never had it. The elite of today, political, commercial, etc., are mostly the children of upper to upper middle class suburbs. The whole American mythology of “bootstrapping” closed up by the 80’s. These are the sons and daughters of the 1950’s and 60’s professional class, bar and pool room in the basement, etc. They have no reason to exist because they had no life journey to exist. Even though they pitched a tent in Peru in the summer of… Read more »

Epaminondas
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Reply to  JR Wirth
5 years ago

Tucker Carlson is an heir of the Swanson food corporation. He seems to be firmly in touch with the dirt people. Ideologically, he is directly the opposite of Fagerson Cooper.

DaBooby
Reply to  Epaminondas
5 years ago

Maybe Tucker Carlson reads The Zman? 🙂

Issac
Issac
Reply to  JR Wirth
5 years ago

Hold on there just a minute mister. You’re talking about a “ruling class,” when the problem is “democracy!” Those elites are just insane and anti-white because they are minimally peppered with elected officialdom. Pay no attention to the lion’s share of state employees being civil servants or appointees. Wouldn’t it be great if the Bloombergs became an imperial dynasty? They would surely take good care of you cattle, what since they had a long-term interest in their property.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Issac
5 years ago

Oligarchy exists in all systems. Democracy is the most expensive version.

Issac
Issac
Reply to  JR Wirth
5 years ago

Oligarchy is not democracy. You do not live in a democracy. You can blame democracy for anything you like, but it will always be a misdirection of your angst.

Lester Fewer
5 years ago

When was the last time you saw one of those gay “rainbow” flags defiling the front of a synagogue, the way they routinely defile an Episcopalian church? Or a “refugees welcome” banner on a synagogue? Or a BLM banner, the same way they pollute the facades of Christian churches? Cultural corrosion and the nonstop parade of offense and absurdity are straight out of the (((Bolshevik))) Red Terror playbook. It’s a tactic, nothing more. Just keep baffling ’em with bullshit so they can’t see what’s really going on. While the goyim are busy flustering over 10-year-old “transitioning” drag queens dancing in… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Lester Fewer
5 years ago

Now that is what you call an “epic rant”.

Clayton Bigsby
Clayton Bigsby
Reply to  Lester Fewer
5 years ago

😜….”If you have HATE in your heart, let it OUT”!!

kleist
kleist
Reply to  Lester Fewer
5 years ago

When was the last time? Sheee-it, their hoses of worship are crawling with rainbow flags. See, for example, https://www.timesofisrael.com/this-ultra-orthodox-rabbi-just-took-a-job-at-an-lgbt-synagogue/

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
5 years ago

Obama’s repeatedly saying “this is not who we are” was the great wake-up call for me. It revealed the totalitarianism of the proposition nation. In a country defined by blood and traditional culture, a myriad of ideas can exist because what defines “who we are” – the ethnic nation – is not being attacked by those ideas. In a proposition nation, especially one that is a full democracy, opposing ideas cannot be tolerated because they challenge the definition, the soul, of the country. “Who we are” is defined by the proposition, so it can’t be challenged. If democracies always murder… Read more »

V. Pejorative
V. Pejorative
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
5 years ago

A real nation is a family. A proposition nation is a cult.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  V. Pejorative
5 years ago

Yep. A proposition nation is both absurd and horrifying. It can’t die soon enough.

Bob
Bob
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
5 years ago

I agree. A proposition nation needs to get rid of people who don’t follow the proposition. It needs a state backed church and an inquisition to maintain itself.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Bob
5 years ago

That’s another thing. Proposition nations and democracies – and especially democratic proposition nations – hate religions, or should I say, competing religions. There can be no other God.

Can’t have priests or pastors telling people that there may be another way to live. Best to get people out of the church or force church leaders to accept the proposition, which is what we see in the United States. Churches can’t shut up about inclusion and immigration, and tolerance for behavior that is explicitly banned by the bible.

Guest
Guest
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
5 years ago

Yes, unfortunately, many do. But there are as many, if not more, churches that do not accept that the government acts as though it has power to do this, as I hear from church-going acquaintances.

And beyond that, millions of believers who are not joiners don’t go to a church at all and decide based upon what evidence they can gather, what is “the way to live.”….which is what the “That’s not who we are” types want to stomp out of them, as the inner-directed are the most dangerous of all.

Da Booby
5 years ago

Your observations about pre-revolution France are telling. Wigs, long stockings, rouge on the cheeks, and frilly appendages…. and these were the “men”!!!

It seems revolutions happen not only when times are bad, but when times are bad and the people have lost respect for the “men” in charge. Hunger + contempt = revolution. Perhaps.

JZs
JZs
5 years ago

Virtually everyone I come in contact with loathes Absurdistan’s carnage. And I’m not simply rubbing elbows with right wing boomers either. I still think this cultural stink bomb is happening far too quickly and that there is not a small possibility of a spectacular pushback by the normals like me, who are still the vast majority report. It’s largely a very sizable silent majority deciding to avoid candor in the public square, which skews perception of what the actual spirit of the age consists of. But who wants to stick their neck out in the public square and tell you… Read more »

Exile
Exile
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Reply to  JZs
5 years ago

The surprisingly positive reaction of shitlib parents to 2010’s “Waiting for Superman” showed that, at least on the parent-child level, even the Woke still have some grounding with reality. 2020 will be a good litmus test for how far they’ve gone downhill since then.

John Badger
John Badger
Reply to  JZs
5 years ago

Yeah, it’s like an angry but cowed peasantry that knows it’s being oppressed, but hesitates to do anything about it, because it knows that the Thought Police (Media, ADL, etc.) and Woke Capital–i.e., the people who really control this country–will come down on them like a ton of bricks if they speak out against their Forced Enrichment.

I am willing to accept any level of spectacularity in the Spectacular Pushback.

Educated.Redneck
Educated.Redneck
Reply to  JZs
5 years ago

Per the Chateau: ” and suddenly, out of no where, [Pinochet] was elected to power for no discernable reason”

The Babe
The Babe
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5 years ago

Whether it’s from too much democracy, the end of a cycle, or CultMarx, unfortunately the rot has distilled into a very simple emotional heuristic that many normies and NPC’s have internalized: instinctive perversity. I think most people have an intuitive sense of right and wrong: it’s wrong to hurt people and steal, it’s wrong to have sex with children, it’s wrong for men to mince around like women. Leftism/degeneracy/decadence trains people to take anything that people instinctively know to be wrong, and celebrate it. I reckon that it started with elites who wanted to set themselves apart normal people, who… Read more »

SidVic
SidVic
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5 years ago

Well, i for one am at the breaking point. I am starting to not feel good about myself as a man. My motto has been run silent to run deep these past several years. I think its taken its toll on me. Starting to feel like a coward for keeping my mouth shut. We are up against a bunch of fat women after all. I am really really getting pissed with this noxious bullshit.

Hilltop
Hilltop
Reply to  SidVic
5 years ago

I think you feel better even if you just do internet stuff. I started doing the Twitter meme wars, writing for small d-right outlets, and donating money to our guys. Sure, it’s not super manly, but something is better than nothing.

But you’re right, that’s part of the outrage: we used to be a people that could win real wars, but now we’re losing to a bunch of fuck-ups and their barely functional third-world mascots.

Just got to use that for motivation.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  SidVic
5 years ago

We are up against a bunch of fat women after all. I am really really getting pissed with this noxious bullshit. No we are up against the state and that’s the only ones that matter because without the state they are just dust and ashes blowing in the wind…So until we wrap our heads around what to do with the state we will forever be just running around in circles losing our minds… Because seriously without the threat of law enforcement the trash would of been taken out long ago and the degenerate would all be in the dustbin of… Read more »

George True
George True
Reply to  Lineman
5 years ago

You summed it up succinctly and eloquently, Lineman. Behind that morbidly obese land whale that is teaching our kids and grandkids to embrace and revere all things LGBTQ, behind the illiterate multi-cultis tearing down our statues, behind all the 80 IQ mestizos, squatemaleons, and Muslim invaders demanding our paychecks and our daughters, behind all of these stands the power of the State. Despite owning most of the guns, Normals know that if they attempt to take out the trash, they will be imprisoned or killed by minions of the criminal justice system. Witness how the leader of the group that… Read more »

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Reply to  SidVic
5 years ago

A strong man, a wise man awaits the right time. And when it comes, you will know it. Don’t run yourself down. Self-immolation for immediate emotional gratification is not the path for you.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
5 years ago

A strong man, a wise man awaits the right time…
I would say he prepares himself for the right time Brother…If we are only waiting we will be rolled up by those who are acting…JMHO…

Rogeru
Rogeru
Reply to  SidVic
5 years ago

Just don’t do anything stupid and counter productive.

williamwilliams
williamwilliams
Reply to  Rogeru
5 years ago

Indeed. You owe it to your peers not to get caught.

SidVic
SidVic
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Reply to  williamwilliams
5 years ago

Agreed. But i can also imagine what would happen if 1% of white men did something stupid and counter productive. Blood and shit would be sluiced down the gutters in copious quantities. Counterproductive could quickly morph to very highly effective. Hey has anyone been diagnoses with pancreatic cancer lately? OT… but is it?

the Russians
the Russians
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Reply to  SidVic
5 years ago

My office has been targeted for a protest sit-in next week… One hopes they’re only mis-informed rather than un-informed. I am, however, not very optimistic and running low on “give a fuck”.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
5 years ago

There’s no “who we are” any more. All the different groups now hate each other. The Left, the Right, Muslims, Blacks, Mexicans, SJWs, MAGA folks, the Weird, the Normal…it’s all about conflict now and into the future….Welcome to the era of Racial Politics.

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Reply to  Wolf Barney
5 years ago

Think Spain in 1935.

pimpkin\'s nephew
pimpkin\'s nephew
Reply to  Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
5 years ago

Or Europe in 1618.

james
james
Reply to  Wolf Barney
5 years ago

Wolf Barney so much for civic nationalism eh?

Carl B.
Carl B.
5 years ago

“We could simply be seeing what John Adams observed. Democracies always murder themselves.”

The latest example:

#1: GOPe cucks calling for US military intervention in Venezuela while the Pentagon sends cooks and lawyers to our Southern border.

#2: Trump joining with the ‘Rats to spend 2 TRILLION $ on “infrastructure.” Mao and Stalin used to call these efforts “Five Year Plans.”

This government – this country – is dead. Like a Brontosaurus with its head bitten off by T Rex, the country is as dead as a hammer. But the “tail,” i.e. the Masses, don’t know it yet.

Carl B.
Carl B.
Reply to  thezman
5 years ago

How does a country with trillions in debt pay for it? Other than printing more money and eventually making paupers of all of us, I don’t see how.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
5 years ago

Betting against Japanese bonds in anticipation of rising rates due to the country’s massive debt to GDP has destroyed so many careers that it has its own name: the Widow-Maker.

Japan’s debt to GDP is ~250%. U.S. debt to GDP is ~100%.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  thezman
5 years ago

“the debt mongers have been predicting doom for as long as I’ve been alive”. Yeah …. so? I’ve been getting told my entire life ” you know if you keep waking up every day and eating like that – one day you’re going to die”. And the people telling me that will correct one day – won’t they? Debt is only “relative” – if you want to pick the country to the bones to pay it back. If you’re not – then it’s the same as that democracy thing you properly stuck a shiv into, namely a history-proven bad decision.… Read more »

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Calsdad
5 years ago

The majority of tax revenue in the US including most of what is spent on the military goes directly into peoples pockets or for health care. The bad stuff gets borrowed. Note too that public social programs are much cheaper to run than private ones. Government charity is 80-90% aid sometimes more, Private Charity is often the opposite with 2/3 more more going to adds and bloated salaries You want to make sure people have food, health care and such , have the State do it, its much cheaper per dollar given and can scale to any problem The long… Read more »

Darth Curmudgeon
Darth Curmudgeon
Reply to  A.B. Prosper
5 years ago

Wait, did A.B Prosper just say that if the government ran food production it would be cheaper?

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Darth Curmudgeon
5 years ago

No. Some natural monopolies like roads, charity , defense , police and some utilities are best handled by the State

beyond safety and clean up regulation government should not be involved in any areas where competition and the market is the best for it

Fergus
Fergus
Reply to  A.B. Prosper
5 years ago

AB Prosper aka Alinsky tells us government is wonderful and efficient. Really explain Venezuela, Soviet Union, China, Iraq, Iran, Congo, Yemen to us. Or why everyone loves Detroit, Newark, St Louis, NYC, Chicago, and Gary.

The government, the only entity that could spend 20 billion dollars to build a five mile road in Boston.

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Fergus
5 years ago

Detroit was a product of a black mayoralty and lack of trade control , Japanese car imports killed it, Newark, Black again, St. Louis , same Chicago isn’t a White city , Gary again a product of Blacks and free trade its 80% Black NYC also run alright under a White focused government but with a more Black centric one (the White mayor to married to a Black woman) its degraded Mostly African American and Multicultural Political systems along with free trade the problem not government Oh and guess what, if you weren’t allowed to buy so many imports and… Read more »

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Reply to  Calsdad
5 years ago

Amen, Calsdad! Testify, brothuh! You’ve hit the nail on the head. These people saying “They’ve been saying that for [fill in the blank]” — Does that mean that it is not going to happen? Fools. It is [finally] underway now and cannot be stopped.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Calsdad
5 years ago

Is the debt too high? Yes.

Is the money being used for mostly awful things? Yes.

Is the debt going to sink us within the next couple of years? No.

An adult country would have minimal debt and only run it up during wartime and maybe massive recessions/depressions – though even that is debatable. But we don’t live in an adult country. However, there’s a lot of rot to run through before we hit a debt crisis.

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
5 years ago

The US is certainly not run by adults but historically has basically never been able to get by without borrowing no matter how tiny the State. The 19th century and the 20th century was debt city and in the last 50 years we had maybe 10% of the time a balanced budget. A consistent balanced budget cant be done and you can’t cut you way to prosperity when 40% of the GDP is government spending The old guard of the Republicans and Libertarians assume that this spending is a drag on the economy and that a massive cut in spending… Read more »

Fergus
Fergus
Reply to  A.B. Prosper
5 years ago

Sr Prosper command of history and economics matches his mastery of the English language. Did you learn it by mail or did you graduate from Harvard Law?

Before I could hope to understand your economic rants one would have to penetrate the laughingly sophomoric English or is it Ebonics?

I’d suggest you seek a position as investment adviser to Bernie Sanders. He deserves you.

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Fergus
5 years ago

I’m sorry your reading comprehension is so poor Fergus Take a refresher course at Khan Academy if you’d like to get better. Being in a magnanimous mood , I’ll give you a pro tip. The Dissident Right is not for Economic Liberals but for Economic Conservatives. Go back among your own kind on the country clubbers and the cucks where you belong. You will have regulation , either from the Left or the Populists Right . No one will allow you to cheat, pollute , chisel , arbitrage wages down, flood the US with job killing imports or avoid taxes… Read more »

Fergus
Fergus
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
5 years ago

Funny that’s what every graduating snowflake says before he declares bankruptcy. Say Citizen can I offer you a credit card with a measly 21% rate of interest, you know you can afford it because “there’s a lot of rot to run through before you hit a serious crisis.”

pimpkin\'s nephew
pimpkin\'s nephew
Reply to  Calsdad
5 years ago

The devilish beauty of “democratically-elected” government is that when reckoning day is reached, “our rulers” can point to the people and say (quite correctly, in a technical sense), “They the People voted for all this; they have to cough up the jack. We’re just public servants.”

Educated.Redneck
Educated.Redneck
Reply to  Calsdad
5 years ago

Ok, Carlsdad. Shit or get off the pot: remortgage your house, sell your Harley, and empty your 401(k) to bet against US sovereign debt solvency. Go ahead, I’ll wait.

You have to realize it’s a con game, the Fed lends money to the Treasury to lend money to the Fed to lend to the… etc. It’s a 2 party game of musical chairs and there’s two chairs. The ball only drops if THEY intentionally drop it, and why the hell would they do that? They like their heads attached to their necks.

james
james
Reply to  thezman
5 years ago

People have been predicting economic collapse for at least twenty years, the numbers seem to support it. Yet nothing happens other than more inflation.

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  james
5 years ago

The first I read as a young man was the Great Depression of 1990, published in 1985

Deter Naturalist
Deter Naturalist
Reply to  A.B. Prosper
5 years ago

No one knows how long mass trust (in the IOU ocean) will last. The dynamics of markets for intangible goods (like bonds) are not understood. It’s all nothing but mass psychology, AKA fashion. Eventually it will end. When it does, the cupboard will be suddenly revealed to be bare. All the promises to pay (from pensions and “entitlements” to bank accounts and debt maturity) will evaporate. It could have happened 20 years ago. It might not happen for 10 more. Or it could happen next year. Anyone who says they know is lying.

Fergus
Fergus
Reply to  james
5 years ago

James must be about 25 or else he’d understand that the $1 candy bar he pays for was 5 cents in 1968. I suggest youi read what the Weimar Republic did to its currency and why Hitler came to power. After all its only inflation-ah to be in Venezuela where inflation has exceeded 2 million per cent a year!

James tell us the truth, you are an Amherst grad aren’t you. And I bet you teach sociology at Sara Lawrence.

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Fergus
5 years ago

Given the increase in the GDP , that candy bar now costs less in adjusted dollars what it did in 1968 . It was 5 cents an ounce in 1968 with a just under a 1 trillion GDP The current cost is 50 cents an ounce with just under a 20 trillion GDP It costs half as much in adjusted dollars If you factor in wage arbitrage though wages as percentage GDP are half what they were in 1968, well the candy bar costs exactly the same amount of time and money. What’s expensive is housing in areas where there… Read more »

Fergus
Fergus
Reply to  thezman
5 years ago

Debt is relative is what the dead beat always says before he packs up in the night and leaves the land lord wondering how to collect the last 8 months rent. Doom mongering is what I saw in Venezuela and the Lefties told us paradise had been achieved and it took a decade for the wealthiest nation in Latin America to start eating zoo animals and its pets. But hey, the Leftists achieved equality for the vast majority of people. Now they have no food, water, nor electricity nor toilet paper. That’s what the Left always provides because money grows… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Carl B.
5 years ago

I worried about the national debt for 30+ years and disdained “identity politics.” Now I’m an exile in my own country but the economy roars on. I’m open for a Keynesian course-correction at this point so long as my people get some of the pie.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Exile
5 years ago

Those first two sentences are poetic!

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Carl B.
5 years ago

It’s all relative. U.S. debt to GDP is ~100%. That’s pretty middle of the pack. Also, with interest rates are all time lows, so the cost of that debt is negligible. Of course, that could all change in a couple of years. Presumably, we’ll have another recession in the next two or three years, pushing up that figure. Then you have the boomers’ medicare and SS costs, which will also push up that number. So let’s say that number goes up to 130% or so in five years. Even that’s not too bad. Heck, Japan is 250% – though their… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
5 years ago

The dollar has value as long as the holders of them believe it does. In that sense, the rest of us are in alignment with the powers that be. They hold dollars too, and have a vested interest in maintaining their worth. Not to say the wheels won’t come off, but the dollar is a unique combination of a shorthand store of value, and an easily negotiable instrument of payment for purchase. Most tools of trade are one or the other, and not as efficient and frictionless at either task. We have time on this, until we don’t. Debasement still… Read more »

SidVic
SidVic
Member
Reply to  Dutch
5 years ago

Who says the elites are not stashing a lot of gold?

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  SidVic
5 years ago

FDR proved that Gold is only currency because its permitted to be used as such.

In a global connected world there is nowhere anyone can run to and hiding without a states aid is hard

Deter Naturalist
Deter Naturalist
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
5 years ago

GDP is a lie.
The moment debt stops growing, its artificial support to “GDP” will evaporate and GDP will evaporate faster than water in Death Valley summer. No one knows when this will happen. But it will happen.

Fergus
Fergus
Reply to  Deter Naturalist
5 years ago

What a magic ball you have! No evidence, no support, just bold assertion. That’s my kind of snake oil.

Fergus
Fergus
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
5 years ago

Take a look at Venezuela’s numbers in 2014; odd how they compare with the US today. And of course we all know there is nothing to fear. Venezuela is in such fine condition, nothing to see here, move along, all is well, spend, spend, spend.

So people like me can buy it all up at 5 cents on the dollar when the collapse comes. But as Silly Citizen tells us, all is well, spend, spend, spend.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Carl B.
5 years ago

Debt at the federal level is a fiction l. We’ve been on a full fiat currency for city years at this point. BTW. It hasn’t led to the apocalypse either.

pimpkin\'s nephew
pimpkin\'s nephew
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
5 years ago

I guess this means any debt to the Federal Government is also a fiction.

BTW – at what level does debt become non-fictional?

And if 2 billion or trillion for “infrastructure” is good (sorry, I forgot which number I heard on the news today), then 20 billion or trillion for said infrastructure is AWESOME. It’s all fictional so let’s do this.

Educated.Redneck
Educated.Redneck
Reply to  pimpkin\'s nephew
5 years ago

Pimkins nephew: that’s what stupid counterfeiters do, and get caught. Smart counterfeiters use an IV drip approach, like NoKo, Mexican cartels, or the Fed, and do it for decades or centuries or millennia. As I said above, this game breaks down only when they want it to: it’s one guy playing chess against himself. You only stop the game if he wants to.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  pimpkin\'s nephew
5 years ago

At what point does the debt become non fictional?

When the dollar ceases being the worlds reserve currency. Which will happen at some point. But is probably centuries away.

Fergus
Fergus
Reply to  pimpkin\'s nephew
5 years ago

Great post, nice to see some cold hard thinking. If debt is a fiction why do we need taxes, just borrow it all. The snowflakes who keep telling us that debt is great can invest in it.

By the way I collect currency. I have hundred billion notes from weimar Germany, Hungary, Zimbabwe, Poland, and other states that believed debt was a fiction.

I am a trillionaire based on these currencies holding..

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Carl B.
5 years ago

They don’t.

They collapse once the debt starts being called in.

And the debt gets called in when the people holding it come to realize that it’s not going to be paid.

That realization that it’s not going to be paid – comes when you look at who is holding the debt – and realize that they’ve gone mad and have therefore lost their capability to generate income and pay back said debt.

Ergo: The time draws nigh

John Pate
Member
Reply to  Calsdad
5 years ago

The US Dollar is backed by the full faith and credit of the US Military. The numbers are just made up nonsense and bear only coincidental relationship to actual reality. What makes me wonder about the dollar is this stuff about UFOs they’ve been floating lately, as if to make it look like US has secret UFO tech… are they worried China and Russia are catching up and people are seeing the US as a paper tiger?
I’m way more worried about some kind of military conflict involving weapons of mass destruction, particularly with lunatics in charge of the asylum.

Fergus
Fergus
Reply to  John Pate
5 years ago

Full faith and credit is another way of saying I won’t come the check is in the mail and I won’t come in your mouth.

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Calsdad
5 years ago

Nonsense, The US can declare bankruptcy at any time and no one can collect a penny of it

The only reason we have a fraction of the trouble we do is free traitors, I’m free traders. If we made it here, sold it here, bought it here and only allowed a few luxury imports, we’d be fine

Globalism, immigration for cheap labor and ready votes and bankers are killing your economy not government spending

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Reply to  A.B. Prosper
5 years ago

But you are overlooking the problem that is antecedent to both: the gov’t itself. We have lost control of it. Nobody even pretends anymore. Confidence is eroding everywhere. The end draweth nigh.

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
5 years ago

I’ve been hearing the end is nigh since I was a boy in the 80’s . The economy is still kind of functional, the birth rate close to the same (1.8 vs 1.6 now for Whites) and the checks still cash Given there is a lot of ruin in a nation and economies can stay irrational for longer than you can stay solvent, clown world economy may go on for a long time yet Its going to get worse but collapse is not guaranteed and may happen so slowly that what would normally be regarded as “the end” will just… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  A.B. Prosper
5 years ago

A.B., If we declared bankruptcy or some other onerous manipulation of our debt, then I suspect two things would happen: we’d lose our status as the world’s exchange currency, and logically then we’d have to pay for goods in some other more reliable “currency”. In short, we’d beggar ourselves more than our creditors.

Now I suspect that suits you fine and seems to work into your general slant on things, but such a collapse would make the Great Depression look like a mild downturn in comparison.

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Compsci
5 years ago

We have an entire continent full of resources and Canada if we care to take it

So long as we have functioning nukes which is not a given no one can do a thing about it either,

Such a trade collapse would suck on a huge scale but the US could get through it and probably come out stronger for it, caveat good leadership which is also not a given

pimpkin\'s nephew
pimpkin\'s nephew
Reply to  Calsdad
5 years ago

Even when it comes to finances, common sense shoulders in from time to time. If you owe me a million, I’m a millionaire on paper; if you owe a billion, then I’m a billionaire on paper; up to a point I can repackage these obligations as ‘assets’. The value of such ‘assets’ (for me and for people I do business with) consists in the assumption that you will pay me, when I need the money or by terms of the loan contract. This is called “good faith and credit.” Of late the shills of unlimited government spending are explaining to… Read more »

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  thezman
5 years ago

The Market Cult operates along similar lines, and the spectacle of limousines dodging potholes may seem as ridiculous to the robot historians as the rouge and wigs of Versailles.

Member
Reply to  thezman
5 years ago

That is precisely the problem. We use words like “spending on infrastructure” and to you and me it means repairing bridges and roads. To people in D.C. it means a way to spread bribes funded by tax-payers to politically influential donors who in turn ensure the re-election of lawmakers. In fact, the last thing they want is to actually repair a road because then they don’t have a reason to do the whole process all over again. The goal of infrastructure spending is the opposite of repairing the infrastructure.

George
George
Reply to  Arthur_Sido
5 years ago

Same applies to any number of things. The party, or parties, wouldn’t fix certain things if they could. Why lose your sure-thing voters?
If the Left could magically end racial division they wouldn’t. It would cost too many votes, that’s why they stir it up instead.
If the Right could end abortion, they wouldn’t. why lose all those people who will never vote for the pro-abortion party?

LeGuinn and bear it
LeGuinn and bear it
Reply to  George
5 years ago

You’re right about the left. You’re also right about the establishment members who call themselves “the right.” As for the real “right,” though – yes, they would end abortion if they could. We’re talking the people, not the politicians who just mouth certain opinions while their hearts are elsewhere. Backtrack just for a moment. The debt became much more serious when W spent like a madman, followed by O, who was in charge when the debt doubled what it had been under all presidents before him, when totaled. The biggest reason is the “stimulus” bill, passed right after he came… Read more »

The Right Doctor
The Right Doctor
Reply to  Arthur_Sido
5 years ago

I lived in one place in California for over thirty years, and read the papers every day (back when that was a thing). I was very familiar with what roads needed repairing, and where new roads needed to go. My opinions were frequently reinforced by newspaper articles detailing highway-expenditure proposals, none of which ever went anywhere. Until Obama came along with his manna from heaven for shovel-ready projects, giving states latitude on what to spend it on. A lot of road construction and inconvenience occurred, absolutely NONE of it anything that had been needed or proposed. Highway 101 through Monterey… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Arthur_Sido
5 years ago

If they name it the “Invest and Repair Infrastructure” bill, then you know its effect will be the exact opposite.

Watauga
Watauga
Reply to  thezman
5 years ago

Ah, but whose money, and whose infrastructure. Your position cries out for LOCAL, or, at the highest level, STATE, intervention using LOCAL or STATE tax dollars. Why should I pay for LA’s ludicrous swarm of highways and byways? Why should you pay for Boston’s? PUSH TO THE LOCAL LEVEL AS MUCH GOVT AS YOU CAN. AFTER THAT, PUSH TO THE STATE. AT ALL TIMES, RELIEVE NATIONAL LEVIATHAN OF POWER.

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Watauga
5 years ago

This is an astonishingly stupid way to do things. You pay for stuff so that poorer and lower trust states don’t push the US into a race to the bottom . Its far better Also its nice to be able to drive from one state to another and to get goods from one state to another easily. Of late “States rights” brought us such things as gay marriage and street sh*tters so screw that Also that Leviathan you hate so much spends most of the money that it takes in in salaries, health care for the old and poor and… Read more »

Guest
Guest
Reply to  A.B. Prosper
5 years ago

There are people who trust the federal government. Then there are those who don’t. Watching so many go to DC and become multi-millionaires, often staying around for life, colored my view. We watched as state after state voted against gay rights, but SCOTUS knows best…the street poop thing has spread from Third World migrants and is allowed by local dim politicians. Good thing it’s not before the Supreme Court, or we’d prob all be stepping over poop. It is hard to decide which is more corrupt-gov or MNC’s; for a long time, I shared your view. Now I’m of the… Read more »

Tacitus
Tacitus
Reply to  thezman
5 years ago

The same phenomena is spreading to the rest of Murrlin. Most Montgomery county roads are terrible to drive on, even in Chevy Chase. The liberal hell scape known as Columbia has been importing only the finest from Lagos, and is slowly turning into a suburban version. Now all those soccer mom’s are fleeing and buying mcmansions in what used to be farmland in my little country enclave. This is spreading even though Carroll and Fredneck counties (though much less). New housing “developments” with pithy signs advertising prices “starting from the low 800s”, a guard stand, and HOA fees as a… Read more »

Fergus
Fergus
Reply to  thezman
5 years ago

Healthy societies do not borrow from unborn generations to satisfy their desires. Healthy societies do not waste money on foreigners while ignorning the needs of its veterans and aged. Healthy societies do not penalize the industrious and reward the parasites of a nation. America is a sick, degenerate place, ruled by the isolated and greedy. They rule over the apathetic, the ignorant and lazy.

Concerned American
Reply to  Carl B.
5 years ago

Comment of the decade.

Malcom
Malcom
Reply to  Carl B.
5 years ago

Carl, POTUS has not joined with the Rats. Think about this: What is one thing that everyone does when contemplating filing for bankruptcy? They run up their charge card balances, buying new stuff. Why? Because they know they’re not going to pay for it anyway. POTUS is gunning for the Fed – look at what he has done so far: Used their own metrics to make the economy look awesome. It’s not “awesome”. It sucks. But the Fed cannot criticize POTUS, otherwise they would have to admit they use the same fake alchemy to fudge their books and increase/decrease inflation.… Read more »

Epaminondas
Member
5 years ago

“One of the defining features of this age is that it is hard to keep pace with the absurdity we see promoted by the people who rule over us.”

I think they do it simply to humiliate us, to display their power, to crush all tradition. They want to keep doing it to make us afraid. If they can force you to accept hairy men in sun dresses in the lady’s room, they can do anything they like.

Carl B.
Carl B.
Reply to  Epaminondas
5 years ago

Exactly.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Epaminondas
5 years ago

Power=Freedom
They hold the Power so they are Free to do what they want to us…
Until we get that through our heads we are just spinning our wheels…How many of us would it take in one area working towards the same goal to tip the balance in our favor for that location…In my opinion it would only take about 3% of that locals population…Then we move out from there conquering as we go…Who’s with me😉

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Lineman
5 years ago

Those nutjobs are insane enough to use nuclear weapons on their own people.

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Reply to  Epaminondas
5 years ago

They certainly did the equivalent to the South in 1864-65 and afterwards.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Epaminondas
5 years ago

Nuclear option is strategic, albeit we are making them smaller and more tactical with our new renewal program. The point is that there is no point in killing a fly with a sledgehammer. Only if the opposition becomes large and centralized would such a weapon prove effective. However, that seems unlikely if we are talking about small percentages of patriots resisting/contesting control in smallish groups. Imagine the UK fighting the IRA back in the 70’s with nukes.

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Reply to  Epaminondas
5 years ago

“Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
5 years ago

One of the best cultural border defenses is having a language of your own. Like with English and Spanish, there are hundreds of millions of non-French, native French-speakers; Portuguese, Dutch and even German have native speakers outside Europe. But if you have the amazing privilege of being born Danish, you have your own, tribal safe space, with a complete set of cultural codes embedded, which are exclusive to your people. Barring a few Inuit, Icelanders and Faroese, nobody outside Denmark speaks Danish, so there’s (nobody) looking over your shoulder when and how you debate politics. This makes Danish politics absurdly… Read more »

Lester Fewer
Reply to  Felix Krull
5 years ago

“If the globalists discovered how we debate Islam and immigration…” See, that is how you know you’ve already lost. What grounds for “debate” are there at all, to begin with? You want to “debate” Islam and immigration? Do you debate cancer? Do you debate a tapeworm? 1. Islam has no place anywhere in Europe, not ANYWHERE, and no place whatsoever in the Christian West. Muslims have no business in Denmark. None. 2. Denmark is a tiny place. It is literally “Dane-March”, the land of the Danes. It is all they have. There is no room for any immigration in Denmark,… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Lester Fewer
5 years ago

Do you debate cancer? Yes, of course. And we debate immigration in much the same vein: how do we put a stop to it? Stop debating. Great idea! Maybe if we stop talking about it, it will go away by itself. Just like cancer. Trump would never stand a chance in a Danish election, because he’s too soft on both immigration and Islam – even Campaign Trail Trump was waaaay softer on immigration than Danish lefties: You want to make illegal immigration illegal? Well, duh! And “Dane-march” literally means “borderland of the Danes”, not “land of the Danes” – the… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
5 years ago

Just to give you an example of the different level of discourse, in the last election, the four (!) winning parties ran on these slogans: – “A Crash Stop for Immigration” (and in Denmark, that means ALL immigration, illegal or otherwise) – “Stop Nazi-Islam!” (Granted, they got in hot waters for that one.) – “Closed Coffers” (For immigrants. This was from a minuscule party of economic libertarians, and their full slogan was “Open Borders – Closed Coffers”. – “You Know Where We Stand” (This was from the Danish People’s Party, the nationalist-populist party who have been fighting to stop third-world… Read more »

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Reply to  Felix Krull
5 years ago

This is thrilling news! Many thanks for this informative and encouraging post!

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
5 years ago

I’m afraid it’s the white-pill version. The Danish People’s Party turned out to be managed opposition and the establishment parties were lying, of course. At the moment, there are effectively zero anti-immigration members of the Danish parliament, zero true nationalists. They’re globalists, every single one of them.

But that’s another story. My point was that this is where the voters are, this is where the Overton Window is.

Rogeru
Rogeru
Reply to  Felix Krull
5 years ago

[face palm]

Felix_Krull
Member
Reply to  Rogeru
5 years ago

[face palm] Indeed. 2015 was one of the most important elections in modern Danish history, as the Danish People’s Party for the first time had the power to deliver on almost three decades worth of promises. The fact that they turned globalist when the chips were down, is why Paludan got his signatures. The 2015 general election was as close to a plebiscite on immigration as you can possibly get, the voters delivered a resounding no, and the politicians delivered more of the same. So why should voters take politics seriously, if politics doesn’t take voters seriously? Well, this election… Read more »

Drake
Drake
5 years ago

I was thinking about the late Roman Empire period all through the article too. People who get their history from Monty Python or SNL may think that the Romans always practiced decadent feasts with vomit rooms and orgies. But the reality is that kind of rot only set in as the collapse was imminent

Does the moral rot cause the collapse or the impending collapse drive the rot? Either way, they seem tightly linked.

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Drake
5 years ago

Vomitoriums were not for binging and purging , that’s a myth. It ,means roughly “theater exit” There certainly was decadence at the time but that was not a thing, What killed The Western Roman Empire was what is killing us, urbanization and immigration. All the wealth wealth went to the cities and too many people stopped having families. If it gets too hard to make a living and pay the bills in an urban society and welfare won’t cut it than that society dies. Our society richly deserves what its going to get .A well armed populace so cucked by… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  A.B. Prosper
5 years ago

They can’t even organize well enough to vote solutions much less shoot their way out…
I concur on that… People are still too comfortable to do anything proactive…Sad That…

Drake
Drake
Reply to  A.B. Prosper
5 years ago

Political craziness sure helped kill the Republic and then the Empire. In 408 Stilicho, the greatest living Roman General, lost a political battle and was executed. Two years later, Alaric (pictured at the top of this page) and his Visigoth army were sacking Rome.

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Reply to  Drake
5 years ago
pimpkin\'s nephew
pimpkin\'s nephew
Reply to  Drake
5 years ago

Samuel Dill’s “Roman Society in the Last Century of the Western Empire” should be required reading for those who comment on the ‘decline of Rome’.

Rome “declined” longer than the USA has existed or likely will exist. If only we could look forward to a “decline” like Rome’s, I’d be voting for Caracalla in 2020.

Educated.Redneck
Educated.Redneck
Reply to  Drake
5 years ago

AB Prosper is speaking my mind on a bunch of these, but I’ll add this re Drake: careful what you believe about myths of the foundation and traditions of western Civilization told by *ahem* those who oppose the West. Catherine the Great objectively did not have a special bed made for her to have sex with horses, but a certain group she banished back to the Pale of Settlement and expropriated now teach us our history, so now people think she fornicated with beasts. Now, who was it that the Romans defeated, enslaved, and expelled from the middle East? Every.… Read more »

Carl B.
Carl B.
5 years ago

Another example of Ruling Class insanity:

Dianne Feinstein, at the AG Barr inquisition, flanked by a coven of butt-ugly Dykes as she spews her bullshit.

We are so f’ked.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Carl B.
5 years ago

Shades of the McCarthy hearings.

Nikk
Nikk
Reply to  Alzaebo
5 years ago

With the exception that the only thing McCarthy did wrong was not go far enough.

Federalist
Federalist
5 years ago

The speed of the craziness that Z talks about is amazing. To me, gay “marriage” is absurd to begin with. But until very recently, it was at least a topic open to debate. A lot of the democrats, including Obama I think, started out with no marriage but civil unions are O.K. Now, nothing less than all-out worship of LGBTetc is tolerated. Questioning gay marriage is unthinkable.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Federalist
5 years ago

Even it the 70’s and 80’s it wasn’t the elites who were keeping the lid on the nuttiness – it was the blue-collar base of the DNC. Gary Studds could win elections on Cape Cod despite his blatant degeneracy. But the party as a whole would at least pretend outrage at that kind of immorality.

But now that the party has turned on whites and the working-class, they are free to embrace their true immorality.

John Badger
John Badger
Reply to  Federalist
5 years ago

It seems like the Current Year has become the Current Day, where every morning you wake up and something that has been considered wrong for all of history is now a Moral Necessity and you will lose your job and reputation if you don’t pretend that it has always been right.

I find it interesting that the word “Kafkaesque” has largely dropped out of use just as public life became unbearably Kafkaesque.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  John Badger
5 years ago

Yes – and this kind of crap can only happen in a rich empire where people have much to lose if they risk open confrontation. Poor dirt farmers would just get together with pitchforks, torches, and nooses to fix the problem.

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Reply to  Drake
5 years ago

Bingo! It’s also the sign of a people with too much money, food, and WAY too much time on their hands as a result of the wealth and bounty. These are the “problems” of people who have never had to struggle a day in their miserable lives. And I use the word “miserable” advisedly and deliberately because in the absence of *real* problems and struggles, they manufacture them, for the human organism *requires* adversity and struggle to thrive. Without it, we get an open-air Absurdistan. All this BS about transgenderism–well, the very corruption of the word “gender” itself–and feminism and… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
5 years ago

Yep Agree and if they didn’t have the power of the state behind them then they would just get to be miserable for a short amount of time…👍

The Babe
The Babe
Member
5 years ago

Off topic, but my favorite right-wing blogger from England, Morgoth, dusts off the old Zman line, this will not end well, in an excellent new video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEvTHktq1yE

(Money quote: “The people with the most power and influence claim to be oppressed by the people they oppress.”)

Dutch
Dutch
5 years ago

At some point, someone needs to stand over the remaining untoppled gravestones with a gun, and make sure they are left standing. I suppose that’s who “we” are.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  Dutch
5 years ago

Sounds good in theory, but in reality it will never happen. The unspoken part of this article is that this urgency and aggression didn’t arise in a vacuum. One thing the shitlib left is, if nothing else, are absolute spineless cowards. They are the pack of hyenas and jackals nipping at the heels of a single lion. Once they sense the lion is weak enough to be attacked 10 against 1, they go in for the kill. They learned this behavior I suspect from their minority ‘pets’ who very much operate this way as well. I spent enough time around… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Apex Predator
5 years ago

I think you are taking my figurative description way too literally. I don’t disagree with your conclusions, but I see my first comment as more of a “where we fit in the situation” rather than a thing to be done. The graveyard is imaginary, the gravestones don’t exist, and our standing over them with guns is as abstract a notion as the old “Uncle Sam wants you” posters. Z creates a vivid imaginary scenario, and I am simply trying to imagine our role in the picture.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  Dutch
5 years ago

No I read you loud & clear, but my point is that in any way you try to defend that which is targeted for destruction you will be hit by the force of the State not just the force of the freak, so be willing to accept this mantle. It is a heavy burden few are willing to bear, and rightly so. My ending point was simply that if it comes down to a meat space confrontation you will, in fact, be facing armed thugs with badges protecting Globohomo and their agenda.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Apex Predator
5 years ago

Agreed. Venezuela is instructive. People interviewing the “man in the street” find that few of them have much of a opinion on things, at least an opinion that they are willing to share. They are hunkered down, enduring the situation as best they can. There are a few people on the “coup” side, and the force of Maduro’s authority on the other, and everyone else is simply trying to stay out of the way. Most people feel no agency to affect things, or are at least they are not willing to exercise whatever agency they might have. Given that, my… Read more »

SidVic
SidVic
Member
Reply to  Apex Predator
5 years ago

Apex, be more encouraged you’re bringing down morale. There’s 50 million guns floating around out here they’re scared shit-less:)

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  SidVic
5 years ago

@SidVic- Not trying to be Debbie Downer or Blackpill Bill, my intention is not to demoralize, it is to educate so people fight ‘smarter not harder’. Direct confrontation is a recipe for disaster. I say this again, from traumatic personal experience. This is a 4G Warfare scenario. You are the guerilla facing incredibly asymmetric force which will be applied in all arenas against you not just meat space physical violence. I could write a ‘how to’ manual on 4G warfare and ways to disrupt this but this is not the forum and I am -definitely- not the guy given my… Read more »

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Reply to  Apex Predator
5 years ago

Very well put.

King Tut
King Tut
Reply to  Apex Predator
5 years ago

This is a point that I have made elsewhere to some American friends who believe their AR15s will somehow keep the blue-haired beasts from their doors. And what, pray tell, are you going to do with your AR15s when they show up? Open fire? You’ll die in a hail of return fire or spend the rest of your life in prison. I support my American comrades in their fight for their 2A rights but I do wonder sometimes if the guns in your closets have provided you all with a false sense of security. Yes, you’ve still got your guns… Read more »

Da Booby
Reply to  Apex Predator
5 years ago

The Booby agrees with Apex regarding your odds in a fight with the establishment.. You can’t fight the police and the military, but you can weaken the state. Stop feeding the parasites. Reduce economic activity as much as possible. Shop outside the official economy where sales taxes and payroll taxes are collected. Do as little work as possible. When situations will allow it, do as shitty a job as possible. If you work for the gov’t suck the system dry and do as poor a job as you can get away with. Buy land, gold, and hard assets instead of… Read more »

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Reply to  Da Booby
5 years ago

Ten-plus years of zero interest rates have already assured the failure of those pension funds that have not already failed. The process is already underway. It can not be stopped.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Da Booby
5 years ago

Booby, since Z-man is not inclined to writing such a dissident right’s “how to manual”, I nominate you. That’s precisely what I was talking about when mentioning Abbie Hoffman’s “Steal this Book”

Da Booby
Reply to  Compsci
5 years ago

Thanks, Compsci.

The Booby just might take you up on that. His current site is about helping men, young and old, deal with a world of full of nazi feminists, gov’t parasites, corporate stupidity, and social justice assholes… but he’s starting to think he needs to offer fellas some advice of the more subversive nature.

Stay tuned….

SidVic
SidVic
Member
Reply to  Da Booby
5 years ago

Anybody headed down to Tennessee next month?

guest
guest
Reply to  Da Booby
5 years ago

thanks for turning me onto your site. bookmarked.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Apex Predator
5 years ago

Exactly right Brother so we would be fighting our own kind first in the form of law enforcement and then when we are weakened the hyenas will come in and finish us off…That’s why I advocate so much for Community so that the law enforcement is us and we can focus our whole force on the hyenas…Also don’t just stop at Community you keep building on that and pushing into surrounding areas taking county after county until you have the state then it’s on to other states…

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Reply to  Apex Predator
5 years ago

Those pensions will be gone within ten years. Maybe five.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
5 years ago

MRV, I doubt it. You make the same mistake as folk often do wrt to SSI, i.e., that the plans pay one month, then stop paying the next as the last dollar is withdrawn. WRT SSI, the situation—by statute—is that the payment amount is reduced—across the board—until there is enough monthly income to pay out a portion of a recipient’s former monthly retirement check. A haircut, not a cessation, currently estimated at a 25% reduction. Likewise, State plans have income from younger employee’s and investments. Some States have horrible liabilities and are basically insolvent—unless their promised payouts are drastically reduced—or… Read more »

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Apex Predator
5 years ago

Yes. There seems to be two sides of the of the normies: wards or agents of the State and wards or agents of usury. A cop will kick my door in long before some antifag grows the balls. Ive got some good toys and some training but all that evaporates when the tank pulls up and six or eight pensions and medical bennies are on the line. The rest of the males on the street won’t risk an ill timed frown, no matter how clownish the circumstance, for fear that the purple haired HR lady or neighborhood diversity sergeant pulls… Read more »

Rod1963
Rod1963
5 years ago

Since the end of the Cold War we have nothing to keep the ruling class “honest” and on their toes. During that time they worried about Ivan rolling through the Fulda Gap and taking Europe. When that fear ended, the ruling class was free to do as they please namely kick the lower classes in the teeth, Thatcher in England privatized and gutted their industrial base and permanently wrecked the English working class in the process. She turned productive workers into boozed up proles that did nothing all day. She was a disaster. She also downsized the military to the… Read more »

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  Rod1963
5 years ago

You’re right. Trump is a sort of updated version of Thatcher/ Reagan.

Tough talk and talk talk talk… to act as a pressure relief valve for your supporters…but do little or nothing of consequence to actually accomplish what you’ve promised.

Then go full tilt in the opposite direction. As long as you occasionally say the right thing or make a symbolic gesture every now and then, your supporters will follow you into the abyss thinking it’s a mountain top.

Collapse is inevitable. Stop feeding the beast. Protect you and yours.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Yves Vannes
5 years ago

Collapse is inevitable. Stop feeding the beast. Protect you and yours…
If people truly understood that and wanted to protect them and theirs they would be doing everything in their power to build Communities…I wish more people would wake up to that fact…

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  Lineman
5 years ago

The chaos and virulent anti white obsessions of our enemies during the coming election will force many in our tribe to wake up.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Yves Vannes
5 years ago

Let’s hope so…

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Yves Vannes
5 years ago

Nothing like a common threat to build an instant “community”.

UKer
UKer
5 years ago

Thank you, Mr Z. Absurdistan is the finest one word description of the mess we find ourselves in now.

It’s where we all have to live, whether we want to or not.

Member
5 years ago

“Saying “this is not who we are” seems to track with not knowing who we are or why we are even a “we” anymore.”

One of those profound things no one stops to consider. Since no one agrees on who “we” are anymore, how can one say something is “not who we are”?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Arthur_Sido
5 years ago

One better. Since I’m the center of my own universe, I’m anything I say I am. Your agreement, or disagreement, not withstanding!

Rogeru
Rogeru
Reply to  Compsci
5 years ago

Tranny logic.

Watauga
Watauga
5 years ago

Always remember: “There is nothing new under the Sun.” This is no different, and the reasons for the every spiraling descent is as simple as Eve’s disobedience in the Garden–Man (to include women, of course) is a fallen sinner hellbent on listening to his own wants and desires, lusting for power and control. . . all the time disobeying God. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS IN A FALLEN WORLD. The ONLY permanent cure is the SECOND COMING, of course, and we await that Glory.

Drake
Drake
5 years ago

I wonder if some people in earlier crumbling empires were as aware of what was going on as we are now? John Glubb and others have clearly laid out the cycles of empire and all the symptoms they suffered towards the end (Defensiveness, Pessimism, Materialism, Frivolity, An influx of foreigners, The Welfare State, A weakening of religion).
http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

It has happened over and over again and now it’s our turn.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Drake
5 years ago

If I’m not mistaken I think Monasteries were built by those who saw what was coming and decided to take action to preserve what they valued…They knew the state was failing and evil and wanted to be affected by it the least as possible so their way of life could be preserved…That’s just one example…

Member
5 years ago

This quote from your article sums it up and each of the two sentences speaks to both sides of the problem. “Having lost a reason to exist, the ruling classes indulge in whatever craziness they can muster. Maybe our rulers are so alien to us that their sense of normal falls well outside what the rest of us consider decent and proper.” To elaborate on the first sentence: I would say that the big transition that has occurred in the last few decades is from the dominant interpretation of progress being the one defined by a sort of scientific humanism… Read more »

George Orwell
George Orwell
5 years ago

“In fact, in a world without form, the hunt for something to level becomes increasingly urgent as there is less and less to knock over.“ Here, Evan Sayet’s thesis applies well. To summarize, our overculture has concluded that because no moral system (no set of rights and wrongs) anywhere has ever succeeded in eliminating all poverty, war and strife, the real problem can only be found in the very attempt to be right and moral. Any inequalities amongst people therefore must be the result of the worst sin ever: discrimination; in other words, someone cheated. They really think equality is… Read more »

Zeroh Tollrants
Zeroh Tollrants
Reply to  George Orwell
5 years ago

Maybe Mr. Sayet should address his Tribe with his complaints or openly call them out for their outsized responsibility for much of the West’s destruction, if he truly wants to make things better.

Teapartydoc
Member
5 years ago

Abstractionism and universalism seem to go hand in hand, and cycle into predominance in the minds of elites at times when societies reach a plateau of development, and the people who get the worst cases of the infection tend to be the kind that go about seeking statues to overturn. It is as if they are born with the idea that if a society is not waxing great that it must be in decline, and there can be no state of stable equilibrium for man in the mass, and it is not worth seeking this. Thus we have schools and… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Teapartydoc
5 years ago

One definition of joy is taking stock of the wonders of the world around you and enjoying your little place in the midst of it all. If someone can’t do that, then I guess one needs to go slay dragons and burn things down. It’s all up to you.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Dutch
5 years ago

@Dutch
Can we do both???
We would just have to be selective on which dragons to slay and burn only the evil ones…

Issac
Issac
5 years ago

US Democracy is so democratic that the two parties are in tight orbit around a collection of issues which benefit single digit percentages of the population.

Of course, this will be argued as a feature and not a bug. After all, the elite are made of better stuff (three souls instead of two – just to start) and keep the even keel, etc.

Worry not Zman, populism has been subverted.

Barn Jollycorn
Barn Jollycorn
5 years ago

Your finest piece. Should be memorized and deployed as counter-argument against the madness.

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
5 years ago

Maybe democracy doesn’t create the problem but is a bellwether telling us that a festering problem has become very serious. Neither France nor Rome were democratic. In nature complex systems often break down when they become too complex, or they break off and continue to evolve along different paths. Human organizations are part of nature. At some point we reach a complexity horizon where a naturally evolved system can no longer function. An entity has too many demands made upon it or it has too many masters so it ceases to function properly. We have always been a nomadic species,… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Yves Vannes
5 years ago

I think we’re all coming to the same conclusion using different paths. They all terminate at the same trailhead. Detached….aloof….degenerate…oligarchy. Something that naturally springs out of every type of society. Something that is part of human nature. To rule and consolidate. And something that’s torn out by the roots when it becomes too old and diseased. They no longer bear fruit. They become a child like Eloi. Effete.

Clayton Bigsby
Clayton Bigsby
5 years ago

I’m having trouble figuring out who the “finest people in the land” might be….

TomA
TomA
5 years ago

Also note that the pace of craziness is accelerating. The Democrat Party is an archetypical example of this. Nancy Pelosi is a true loon, but even she is getting overwhelmed by the craziness to her Left within her own caucus. Had Hillary been elected, it is very likely that we would be in actual hot civil war by now. Trump’s presence (and the overheated economy) is tamping down fervor for revolution, that is only temporary. Eventually, somethings gotta give, and it will likely be sooner rather than later.

Fabian_Forge
Member
Reply to  TomA
5 years ago

With respect, it was when Hillary failed to be elected that the crazy train went into high gear. That’s what made all the ladies hysterical

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  Fabian_Forge
5 years ago

They are women, not Ladies. Fabian, I’m not nattering at you personally. You inadvertently made a profound point. Although this is small potatoes, how about we also reclaim our language! Since when did we descend to call raging elephant seals Ladies. Since when did we fall to describe a violent murderer as a Gentleman. Our language is now mirroring the spiral into insanity. Words are used to shapeshift and mesmerize by the Left. No rules stick to the Left. Woman is a gender. A Lady is recognized in a glance. “Lady” is a title that defines an Elegant Gracious Loving… Read more »

Jimbo
Jimbo
Reply to  Fabian_Forge
5 years ago

On and on it goes, where it ends nobody knows. I said 20 years ago what this country needs is a good depression to set things right, well it didn’t happen then, and it won’t happen tomorrow or next year, the owners of the cow are still pulling the tit and getting milk, but she’s going dry pretty fast. There’s only so much hay in the barn to keep her going, and when the hay is gone and the neighbors hay is gone, and there’s no hay to steal from anyone, then old bossy will go dry and quit giving… Read more »

the Russians
the Russians
Member
Reply to  Fabian_Forge
5 years ago

“pantsuit nation”… The orchestrated never-Trump effort is my favorite not talked about political tool. We know that there’s a daily issued script as evidenced by the spontaneous new catch phrases but why hasn’t anyone cracked the network yet?

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
5 years ago

Some 2,000 years ago, the Romans could have blamed their insanity on the latent effects of lead poisoning. Today, I suspect fluoride in the drinking water is responsible for much of the insanity in America. Here in Europe, where we don’t fluoridate our drinking water, I’m guessing insanity affects our elitist and ruling class because they have an inherited susceptibility to it.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
5 years ago

Bad thinking, very un-German of you. If Europeans don’t imbibe fluorides but are still insane, that means the fluorides are probably not the cause.

(Incidentally, the same goes for people who believe that GMOs are responsible for rising cancer rates and dropping sperm counts: GMOs are verboten in Europe, but the epidemic pattern is the same.)

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Reply to  Felix Krull
5 years ago
Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
5 years ago

So you don’t use toothpaste?

williamwilliams
williamwilliams
Reply to  Compsci
5 years ago

Floss is important to dental health.
“Toothpaste” is irrelevant, unless you really really like the taste.

Walt
Walt
5 years ago

To me it’s an accelerated attempt by certain powerful elements to suppress the Heritage population. A Liberal candidate for Australia’s upcoming election has been cast out for criticising third-world settlement in her electorate and daring to mention how some Muslim women are treated by their co-religionists. This is the very “conservative” party which wonders why working-class whites aren’t rushing to the polls to vote for them. This woman would win in a landslide and the Prime Minister knows it. Still, she has to go and it is probably too late for her to nominate as an independent. It is no… Read more »