Numbers Still Matter

A general assumption, even by the biology deniers, is that China will eventually surpass the West, because China is full of smart people. There’s no questioning the underlying assumption, as China always comes out at or near the top in IQ studies. This replicates in the United States, where East Asians are dominating admissions for elite preparatory schools and colleges. Pretty much everyone agrees this is mostly due to the fact that Asians are smart people, who also work hard and value education.

There’s one problem with the China supremacy claim and that is China has always been smart, but China has always been China. It has never been Renaissance Europe or even Industrial Europe. Occidental people have conquered the world and built global empires, while East Asians have struggled to control their own turf. Even now, China has a per capita GDP one fourth of Mississippi, the poorest state in the union. Those smart Chinese have a long way to go to catch the West.

China’s inability to get over the hump and become something like a Western country is an important thing to consider. To assume, as many IQ absolutists do, that their mental firepower will be enough, is to miss the forest for the trees. Clearly, there is something else to it, as China should have dominated the world a long time ago, if IQ was as determinant as some claim. It should not have taken the Industrial Revolution two centuries to sink roots in China if it was only about IQ.

This is important to consider when thinking about the demographic changes happening in America. Those East Asians pushing out the remaining whites from elite schools will, presumably, begin to take up positions in the ruling class. This was the pattern with Jews who first flooded into colleges, then it was elite colleges and then finally the institutions. When you look at the enrollments of elite schools, whites are the most under-represented group now. That will only get worse.

The question then is what sort of ruling class will we have when Asians take up positions in the American elite. More precisely, what sort of ruling class will we have when it is a Jewish and Asian ruling elite, with a passive white rump and some browns tossed in as decorations. Given the clannishness of Jews and East Asians, that is the most likely result of what we are seeing. The Antwerp diamond market offers some clues as to how this will play out over the coming years.

One thing to consider is that East Asians and Jews may thrive in occidental societies, but only because those societies provide the right framework for them. On their own, in control of their own lands, both groups have punched well below their IQ. Just as China has under-performed based on IQ, Israel is an under-performer. There are other issues for Israel, obviously, but Israel could not survive on its own without support from the West, especially the United States. No one disputes this.

Like China, Israel has had many chances to get her act together and exploit her human capital, but it has always ended in tears. Israel always ends up being a nation of oxpeckers with no big game as a host. Instead they succumb to picking at one another until they exhaust themselves. Eventually they fling open the gates to a conqueror in order to have a natural landing spot. Israel is a land of advisers and critics, perpetually haggling with one another until some outsider ends the bickering.

Of course, China has always been a land with very rigid vertical and horizontal social relationships. The Chinese tendency toward authoritarian bureaucracy was too strong for Marxism and now too strong for neo-liberalism. China today is the same place Marco Polo found seven centuries ago, just decorated with technology appropriated from the West. China is proof of the great chain of causality. Her biology and culture dictate the institutions, politics and economics.

What does this mean for America when the ruling class is dominated by Asians and Jews, with a sprinkling of whites and browns? Given that neither group is equipped to operate a modern occidental society, the choices are collapse or a slow retooling of America to reflect the biology of the new ruling class. How a naturally authoritarian people will work with a naturally subversive people is a mystery. In fact, it seems unlikely that such an arrangement could work at all.

Another possible outcome is that the decline reaches a point at which Jewish and Asian exceptionalism begin to reverse. The circumstances that presently allow for their success disappear and they begin a steep decline in terms of group success. In a world where getting into a good prep school and then an elite college is declining in value, the ability to game those systems quickly loses value. Think of a world in which no one trusts the media. Having control of the media is a liability, not an asset.

This is why fears of a ruling class dominated by people of an Oriental outlook is probably misplaced. The displacement of whites from the ruling class is just another symptom of the decline. It is a phase that will lead to greater social unrest and instability as North America slowly becomes majority-minority. A ruling class distrusted by and alien to the majority of the population is not going to have a long future, no matter how smart and ruthless they are as people. Numbers still matter.


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Member
8 months ago

That poor sap in China being interrorgated and humiliated in China is a good insight for us. I recommend watching some based Youtube channels like Serpentza ( a white South African) living in China. I think China’s clamping down may force him out of the country, if he’s lucky. We western caucasians are going to have to relearn what it is that brought us so high. Of course now may be too late because idiocracy may have taken too strong a hold on us. Asian IQ in Japan was also a big thing talked about in the 80’s. The future… Read more »

The Golden One
The Golden One
Reply to  David_Wright
8 months ago

Stand still dont make any sudden movements and try not scare those chickens coming home to roost.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  The Golden One
8 months ago

How come “chickens coming home to roost” never applies to what allegedly happened to a particular group from 1942-45?

Ayatollah Rockandrollah
Member
Reply to  The Golden One
8 months ago

What are you talking about? You want us to send in the Japanese again to take care of the Chinese? Unit 731 redux? They weren’t talking about chickens back then.

One of Many Georges
One of Many Georges
Reply to  David_Wright
8 months ago

Think about the chair itself for a second. Somebody had to design that chair. And then teams of people had to put it into production. Imagine what kind of mindset lies behind all that.

Albino Walrus
Albino Walrus
Reply to  One of Many Georges
8 months ago

Odds that it involved “design and build this chair or we will take you out back and shoot you”?

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  One of Many Georges
8 months ago

Admittedly, that’s an ugly, disturbing thought about the chair. On the other hand, what if the person being restrained was a truly dangerous, evil enemy of all humanity? I mean…Hannibal Lecter? Josef Stalin? Mao Zedong? … Hillary *Clinton*? (Rimshot and ta-da boom!)

Ryan
Member
Reply to  David_Wright
8 months ago

I’ve met some White South Africans that fled to Cambodia and these people are seriously based on race. I watch Serpentza also and even though he doesn’t speak much on politics I’m sure he’s on the right side of the issue.

Felix_Krull
Member
8 months ago

Great column!

To assume, as many IQ absolutists do, that their mental firepower will be enough, is to miss the forest for the trees. Clearly, there is something else to it, as China should have dominated the world a long time ago, if IQ was as determinant as some claim.

Just so. Show us the Nobels or GTFO.

The Golden One
The Golden One
Reply to  Felix_Krull
8 months ago

So IQ doesn’t matter now?

China hasnt “dominated” because they are not hell bent on exploitation. That is why Africa loves them.

AltitudeZero
AltitudeZero
Reply to  The Golden One
8 months ago

“That is why Africa loves them.”

This is a joke, right?

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
Reply to  The Golden One
8 months ago

Yes, China is all benevolence in Africa.

Felix_Krull
Member
Reply to  MikeCLT
8 months ago

Don’t feed him. We’re having a troll outbreak these days and their strategy is to clog up the threads.

Sleepy
Sleepy
Member
Reply to  Felix_Krull
8 months ago

Amen.

Doppelbadger
Doppelbadger
Reply to  Felix_Krull
8 months ago

Yeah, Z, you gotta start zapping the trolls, before they junk up the whole blog.

Phoenix
Phoenix
Reply to  Felix_Krull
8 months ago

I’m not sure he/she/them…is a troll. They may be just good old fashioned stupid.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Phoenix
8 months ago

Someone has to live on the hard left side of the bell curve.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Phoenix
8 months ago

When you beat the trolls hard enough – sooner or later they explode and go away.

Permanently.

I say this from experience.

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
Reply to  Calsdad
8 months ago

Carlsdad, I value reading your comments. But I think you aren’t focusing on the main point here…our goal is to bring sound people, who didn’t think outside the bubble before, to our side of seeing things. An angry contentious comment section doesn’t get us there. Immediately identifying and then ignoring the troll, and discussing what matters, can get us there. TimNY

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Felix_Krull
8 months ago

We must be hitting someone’s nerve we all know who that is…

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Felix_Krull
8 months ago

Perhaps a troll, perhaps not. IQ as I understand it in such discussion—say West vs East, was never that it was a “sufficient” condition, but a “necessary” one. As Z-man points out, China anecdotes are often brought up as proof. Seems they can do quite well copying (stealing) Western tech, but the creation of such is another matter and currently in debate. I’ve worked with faculty who have long collaborated with Chinese and Japanese faculty on joint research. They seemed quite pleased with the collaboration. If it were one-sided, I doubt it would have continued. One thing we tend to… Read more »

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
Reply to  Compsci
8 months ago

IQ doesn’t exist until WW1 when the US army used it to classify inductees, blew up in WW2 to avoid combat from then thru Vietnam, was mortally wounded by diversity below and clever sillies from above (think- economists) and is discredited by real life. IQ will not be a metric in 100 years. In any case our problem is we lost our balls, but their dropping back. Nature was for a time banished but he returns.

Anyone who’s been to Asia is not impressed once you get out of the hotel/expat zone.

Compsci
Compsci

IQ is as important as ever and will continue to be as the science solidifies. But oddly, you are correct, it may not be a metric as we know it in a few years. Look for direct measure via brain scans and genetic analysis replacing paper and pencil estimates.

RGPM
Reply to  The Golden One
8 months ago

Is that why China is now declaring almost the entire South Sea as their own territory?

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
Reply to  RGPM
8 months ago

What matter the South china sea to us?

vmax71
Reply to  The Golden One
8 months ago

They are not HELL BENT ON EXPLOITATION!?!?!? Are you living in reality? WTF? I don’t mind an occasional troll from you guys but when you troll, please show some intelligence….

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  The Golden One
8 months ago

LOL.

So you’re saying if the smooth talkers convince you to allow a little anal buggery – and you grow to like it……. it’s not exploitation?

Ifrank
Ifrank
Reply to  Felix_Krull
8 months ago

It’s ok 2b white.

It also takes other qualities besides smarts in order to be successful. Termperment, charm, likability, empathy, confidence, attractive, risk taking, honesty, chemistry.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
Reply to  Ifrank
8 months ago

Especially honesty- and here the Asians are fucked.

Ifrank
Ifrank

Then there is the humor gap too? My unscientific observation is that the oriental is more serious and less prone to laughter than the occidental.

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
8 months ago

We see this shaking out in what degrees these two groups get. East Asians dominate STEM. Prog Whites are the major force in the humanities.

We get Asians maintaing the infrastructure for Chinese exploitation, Jews running the culture, Hispanics doing the labor, Whites dying of fentanyl (from China) and Blacks chimping out on whoever they can reach.

The future is going to suck. I have hope for China just becuase the CCP is so vicious and devious in regards to controlling the technological infrastructure of the future like 5G and gene editing.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Tykebomb
8 months ago

“East Asians dominate STEM. Prog Whites are the major force in the humanities. ”

But what about the other topic on hand, the Jews?

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
Reply to  bilejones
8 months ago

Prog white, Jews, what’s the difference.

Normie
Reply to  bilejones
8 months ago

They run the Trump Admin…

Guest
Guest
Reply to  Tykebomb
8 months ago

I have disclosed on here that I work at a fairly high-level in the tech sector with some of the world’s biggest tech companies. I am entirely confident that China will win the tech race and will dominate the world in 50-100 years. The US will continue to dominate global finance until the dollar collapses as the reserve currency, then it will recede into second-tier status, a fate which we well deserve given our many missteps of the past 50 years. China has spent the last 30 years constructing a global trade network that procures raw materials resources across the… Read more »

Hoagie
Hoagie
Reply to  Guest
8 months ago

And carbon taxes, don’t forget carbon taxes.

Carl B.
Carl B.
Reply to  Guest
8 months ago

I am entirely confident that China will win the tech race and will dominate the world in 50-100 years.

At least until they run short of rice and fuel.

Da Booby
Reply to  Guest
8 months ago

Yeah sure, they have that whole dominate technology, trade, and finance thing going for them, but what are they doing to celebrate trans-gendered persons of minority status? The fools! They’ll never be as progressive as university-educated white kids!

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Da Booby
8 months ago

“persons of minority status?” I think all whites should check either the “Native American” or “African-American” box on forms and surveys. The first out of deliberate misunderstanding (or if you prefer: “I stand with Liz!”), and the second because “I believe in the Out of Africa hypothesis — because I believe in SCIENCE! So of course my heritage is African.” (I really think this is why the fascination with Neanderthal DNA — people are so sick of the various African problems that they devoutly want to set themselves apart by any means.) We should ALL be permanent victims. (We should… Read more »

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Da Booby
8 months ago

They also don’t worship the god of the environment and refuse to cut their usage of the carbon that all life depends on. That god will smite them down hard.

Ant Man Bee
Reply to  Guest
8 months ago

DAD: You see all this, my son? Generation after generation has contributed hard work, effort, vision, genius, struggle, devotion, careful planning, sometimes even the harsh sacrifices of war… all of it an immense effort to create this, our prosperous homeland, which will be your patrimony, your heritage and inheritance. SON: Wow, thanks, Dad. DAD: Oh, I nearly forgot. It will also be the patrimony and inheritance of 80 or 90 million foreigners, complete strangers who just showed up recently, who didn’t struggle or work etc, etc, they just filled out some paperwork, or told a clever sob story — and… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Ant Man Bee
8 months ago

Great take. The story of Gen XYZ. I’m ashamed it took me years to see the Con Inc. snow-job in this light. IQ is nice but wisdom is often more useful and comes at a higher empirical price. Unlike the poor Zoomers I had a few years of normal life before the Darkness fell.

Member
Reply to  Guest
8 months ago

The key difference at work is that the Chinese ruling class understands that science, technology, and the resources to power them is at the root of economic and military success while the West’s has what I would call a financialized understanding of those things. The idea is that you just go to this mysterious place called “The Market” and buy whatever scientists and technologists you need for the lowest possible price. This is why our elite floods us with Indians and East Asians to do our science “for us”. To them you just pay Pajeet to do your technical work… Read more »

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Tykebomb
8 months ago

“Jews running the culture”

You (or spellcheck) misspelled “ruining”.

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
8 months ago

If you look at per capita income, Japan ranks 24th, just above Italy — 151 years after the Meiji Restoration. Above it only are white countries, small oil enclaves and gambling Macau.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jack Boniface
8 months ago

Per capita income is a poor representation of the wealth distribution in a country. Particularly the USA. To wit, give or take a few percent, the top 10% of folk in this country have 80% of the wealth. Look it up.

When one is hoping that their paycheck does not run out before their monthly bills, does it really console them that Bloomberg is now worth $50B.

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  Compsci
8 months ago

Changing the US mindset away from “anyone can get rich” and “we are all millionaires just temporarily inconvenienced.” is essential for American maturity. It’s also going to be resisted by the greatest coalition of wastrels , grifters, oligarchs and romantics you can imagine. Functionally future USA will need be focused around the working and middle with caps on personal wealth . If the minimum wage of a working man is $10 an hour, nothing you do is worth more than $250 an hour or so and threats to walk away or go galt will fall on deaf ears. The graveyards… Read more »

R7 Rocket
R7 Rocket
Reply to  A.B Prosper
8 months ago

@A. B. Prosper
“If the minimum wage of a working man is $10 an hour, nothing you do is worth more than $250 an hour or so and threats to walk away or go galt will fall on deaf ears”

Let me guess, you have multiple credit cards so you can buy things you don’t need with money you don’t have. You have no concept of “spending less than you earn” and investing.

“we need caps on personal wealth.”
The common sentiment of a middle management functionary with no creativity and imagination.

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  R7 Rocket
8 months ago

I live well below my means. People rich enough to opt out of their policy preferences (green energy, mass immigration, integration) destroy society for everyone else. Like it or not economics in reality is a in part zero sum game these days. And as far as income, if you can’t life on 500,000 a year US with tax , investor and foreign ownership reform and low inflation than there is something wrong you. More money at any expense to society is the credo of the rootless, amoral carpetbagger. Grow some roots, become part of a community and learn to live… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
8 months ago

Z finally writes an optimistic column. I wryly smile because this is optimism in our current situation.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  LineInTheSand
8 months ago

It did make me feel strangely good. I’ve read lots of stuff on the Chinese and Jews, but I’ve never read anyone come to the conclusions that Z has. It makes a lot of sense. I think I’ll poke my Chinese friends about it. They’ll get real indignant!

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Marko
8 months ago

So far as internal US politics and power structures are concerned, I don’t think the “Asian threat” is coming from the Chinese so much as it is coming from Indians (and to a lesser extent, Pakistanis). Chinese may have higher IQs on average than Indians, but when you’re talking about “talent pools” that number a billion-plus on each side, even a 1% smart fraction is a huge number (and it’s probably more like 10%). I say this because Indians seem generally better at verbal acuity, rules lawyering, “office politics” and generally sucking up and shitting down. Both the Chinese and… Read more »

CAPT S
CAPT S
8 months ago

“China today is the same place Marco Polo found seven centuries ago, just decorated with technology appropriated from the West.” Z-man: I’m glad you write thoroughly argued viewpoints but you have one indispensable sentence like this every day – a sentence that captures the entirety of the argument. I just read a good book on “why the West won” and it highlighted the several inventions of the Chinese (e.g. gunpowder) that were never exploited because of their cultural depravity. Technology doesn’t change primitive minds. High IQ is apparently mutually exclusive of high culture. When the Great Fracture comes – and… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  CAPT S
8 months ago

The secret white weapon is community. It is sharing, caring, providing and protecting. Remember the old Norman Rockwell magazine covers? The thanksgiving dinners and so on? They may be a bit cheesy, but try to picture them populated with any other racial or ethnic group. It simply doesn’t compute. Our secret is community, which is why the fentanyl and illegals are imported, and the schools and the churches are pozzed. It’s why our politics and our media are poisoned. To break down our community is to take away our kryptonite. Which tells us what we need to do.

CAPT S
CAPT S
Reply to  Dutch
8 months ago

Great points. And community means physical collocation, adjacency, which then allows interdependent communities building together in parallel. In our generation I think we can still forge community in nearly every state, and several of us are beating the same drum when it comes to community. I do think young folk need to think carefully about where they situate their young families. The 2020 census and post-election data depicting county-by-county vibrancy should be a guiding light. Nothing cheesy about Rockwell. Nor Mayberry. I was watching an old 1960s variety show with my kids last night … an amazing venture into who… Read more »

Ayatollah Rockandrollah
Member
Reply to  CAPT S
8 months ago

Re: the 2020 census. I’ve struggled for work the last few years due to a disability, and applied last year to do work-from-home for the census. I’m pretty well-educated (well, very well-educated), but despite that, checking that “disability” box on a job application for the census should at least get me in the door for an interview. I’ve reached out to a half-dozen people, some high up in the Bureau, as well as a congressional office who intervened on my behalf. No dice. Whenever I called up to the local office, I basically felt like I needed to know Spanish… Read more »

Homer
Homer
Member
Reply to  Ayatollah Rockandrollah
8 months ago

Same experience for me with the census. There were flyers all over town about jobs, jobs, jobs working on the census. So I applied to see if I could make some additional money. I didn’t hear anything for months. Then I got an email that said they’ve filled all the positions they need right now, but next year there will be more hiring. Somehow I’m not optimistic.

Normie
Reply to  Ayatollah Rockandrollah
8 months ago

Agreed, that’s why Trumps Admin was so desperate to try and make sure the Census wasn’t accurate.

If anything, all Americans should want to see reality instead of trying to suppress facts.

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
Reply to  Normie
8 months ago

Left troll. Don’t reply.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Dutch
8 months ago

The secret white weapon is community…
That’s a part of it Brother but I think God is what made it possible for the West to be what it is today and the reason why the west is failing because it turned it’s back on God…

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Lineman
8 months ago

Yes, another piece of it, it all goes together and reinforces each other. From family, to neighborhood, to town, to state, to country. It’s all about pulling together and looking out for each other, and doing so in a way that honors what God expects of us, and owning and living those expectations, rather than shunning and rejecting them. It’s interesting to me that other people in other parts of the world attempt to establish their own communities, honoring their own ways, and they all get pulled apart by politics, smash and grab tactics, and the love of the almighty… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Dutch
8 months ago

There might be more to see here as well. I’m reminded of James Watson’s remarks that Africa (in particular) would not be likely to develop beyond a certain point. The bugmen who staff NGOs still refer to poorer nations as “developing” countries but if Watson is right this may be like talking about a 17 year old with genetic dwarfism as “growing”. Even India and China themselves are still quite wretched places to live outside of wealthy urban neighborhoods. The conclusion we may have to draw from this is that much of the third world (or whatever the poz term… Read more »

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  pozymandias
8 months ago

Agree with much of what you said, but it would be a modified colonialism. I seriously doubt the Chinese have any interest in black Africans as workers. “Too stupid and lazy,” they would say. After all, there is an excess of Chinese already. What the Chinese really want are the natural resources, and lebensraum. In fact, I think the Chinese would cheerfully genocide the entirety of Africa, if they thought they could get away with it. The short story “Seven Kill Tiger” may or may not be scientifically plausible (I am not qualified to evaluate), but I have little doubt… Read more »

ProUSA
ProUSA
Reply to  Lineman
8 months ago

I’ll buy you a drink. Right on, bro.

Ifrank
Ifrank
Reply to  Lineman
8 months ago

It’s ok 2b white.

Tit for tat works better than “community” when you are playing against ruthless people – strangers, foreign cultures who may not be charitable and kind. Otherwise cheaters Will prosper and nice guys finish last.

MossHammer
Member
Reply to  Lineman
8 months ago

Scripture contains so many “one another’s”. Note that instruction is directed at the Body of believers. Service, charity and sacrificing is part of the individual’s daily walk as we are called to love our neighbors. So let’s build our future neighborhoods.

ProUSA
ProUSA
Reply to  Dutch
8 months ago

I did not want to comment based on Christian values, but you kind of come close. What separates European grandeur from China and Israel? The answer is obvious and the only thing I could come up with. There’s more to Christendom than religious practice, etc. We abandoned it, and by the way, a certain religious leader warned us about The Pill. Now we’re whining about being outnumbered. Flack coming in 3…2….1…

Hoyos
Hoyos
Reply to  ProUSA
8 months ago

See? This is why in still a comparative “normie”. My Celtic and Germanic ancestors were terrifying. If they were immigrating to our communities we would have built a wall and staffed it with machine gun nests: human sacrifice, predatory, interminable civil wars, ritual bestiality no less in some cases. They had some cool stories and built some slick boats but that’s about it. God raised us up out of that. And if you read the Venerable Bede it took so long, so very long. If God and Christ are real and true, that’s step one for anything else.

ProUSA
ProUSA
Reply to  Hoyos
8 months ago

Remember City Slickers? “Find that One Thing in life,” said Curly. We did find it, but grew tired of it, or stopped learning about it altogether in our fatness.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Hoyos
8 months ago

Without the infusion of Greco-Roman and European paganism, Christianity would bear little resemblance to what you know as Christian today, or historically. Dante didn’t make Virgil his guide for no reason – he did it in tribute to the Classical tradition he knew to be one of legs of the stool his faith stood on.

https://www.amazon.com/Through-Eye-Needle-Christianity-350-550/dp/0691161771

https://www.amazon.com/Germanization-Early-Medieval-Christianity-Sociohistorical-ebook/dp/B00524YUC8

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  Exile
8 months ago

Good point. It was through the Church that Roman order was married to Nordic ingenuity.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Exile
8 months ago

Quite so. Though it buggers modern day Protestants to no end.

The fact is the early Churchmen revered Plato, Aristotle and the Roman authors like Virgil.

And we owe our system of justice, art and logic to the ancient Greeks and Romans as well. For none of that came from the Jews who had none of their own.

Hoyos
Hoyos
Reply to  Rwc1963
8 months ago

It’s also perhaps no accident that’s why Christianity spread west. Don’t overstate the case though, to this day the OT law influenced our legal code and the Jews had reasoning and art as well.

I’ve been in renaissance churches where the names of pagan Greek and Roman philosophers were written on the floor. But they always were viewed as men who presaged Christianity, who had found some natural law.

The idea that Christianity is some sort of syncretic system with German paganism though is something I’ve been arguing against since college. It’s just not there.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Exile
8 months ago

Without a foundation of Greek philosophy, the New Testament would be reduced to Jewish mysticism blather.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Dutch
8 months ago

Dutch, too late. Some Leftist clown already did:

Warning—not for the faint of heart.

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Ant Man Bee
Reply to  Compsci
8 months ago

How on earth did a White baby get included in that painting? Shouldn’t it have been an aborted White fetus in a waste basket, surrounded by fifteen little grinning ninos?

Alert the Council! Shut. It. Down!

Guest
Guest
Reply to  Ant Man Bee
8 months ago

Look closer. The turkey in the original painting has been replaced with a loaf of bread. The white baby is lying on the plate. It’s the only meat on the table. It’s being offered as a sacrifice.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Compsci
8 months ago

Betcha a dollar that chick will change her baby’s nappy on the table like some dippy wanks do in San Fran restaurants.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Dutch
8 months ago

So true, the central truth for our collective survival.

Unknownsailor
Unknownsailor
Reply to  Dutch
8 months ago

What you are describing is high trust, something that only comes from Christian societies. China never had Christianity, and never had the Greco-Roman legal tradition. China has always had an intellectual class, but a thousand years ago, the smart people all wanted to pass exams so they could work for the government, because working for the government was the sure way to get rich. How? Through graft and corruption, something that is still widespread today. China is where it is today because it convinced the West to prostitute itself for them. China steals every bit of IP it can get… Read more »

Exile
Exile
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Reply to  CAPT S
8 months ago

High IQ matters, but it isn’t sufficient for high civilization. I can’t think of a low-IQ high culture from history, but Z’s given a few good examples of high-IQ civs that still can’t reach critical mass.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Exile
8 months ago

The steepness of the bell-curve matters. I believe China has a lot of above average IQs, but not many geniuses. So they are smart enough, and hard woking enough, to steal and out-engineer us, but not smart enough to create anything.

Israel has plenty of geniuses and Zman doesn’t give it enough credit. They took a shithole piece of desert surrounded by 7th century, low IQ, murdering tribes, and turned it into a nuclear power with a functioning democracy. With or without our help, that is success. So much success that they can fight their own damn wars.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  DLS
8 months ago

Without the massive resources and know-how appropriated or outright stolen from Europeans by the diaspora, Israel had it survived at all would be a pale shadow of what it is. Let’s not give them too much credit.

MossHammer
Member
Reply to  CAPT S
8 months ago

Culture. Like biology, is inevitable. Put another way, if you aren’t diligent, you’ll have one. Now is the time to take stock, personally, of your own culture. What you swim in, who you influence, how you are influencing them. If you determine that your environment is not conducive to your influence, but antagonistic, then make a way to get out! Unity, in one’s and two’s, will establish the foundation we need to weather whatever is coming next. It’s in our DNA. The only question is how painful with that genetic expression have to be for my children. Rebuilding their culture… Read more »

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
8 months ago

IQ is important in comparing different races, but there are other factors that can explain behavior and achievements. Empathy, time preference, impulsiveness, creativity, high trust vs. low trust, clannishness (Z mentioned this), conformity, flatness of IQ bell curve vs.steepness (more idiots along with more geniuses vs. more closer to average). You’d think serious people would look into these things before embarking on this grand multicultural experiment.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Wolf Barney
8 months ago

You’d think serious people would look into these things before embarking on this grand multicultural experiment.
Oh they did Brother, they want us dead and gone which is why they are importing them as fast as they can…Oh if only Stalin knew…

H I
H I
8 months ago

Yet in Malaysia and other places in Asia, a commercially-minded Chinese minority is happy to lord over and extract from the lowly majority. Singapore too to some extent, although there the Chinese are 75%.

One of Many Georges
One of Many Georges
8 months ago

I think the big difference is that non-whites just don’t have the same bone-deep love of freedom and liberty that whites do. Yes, I know that “freedom” and “liberty” are very hard to define, and that the definition changes. But I also know that other people don’t fundamentally value them the way we do. The Zman has mentioned the future as an open-air prison. Well, the thought-policing of the J-left, combined with the spy-tech of the Chinese authoritarians (see this, for example https://twitter.com/kenradio/status/1202006599855792128) doesn’t bode well. The fatal flaw with Anglo-Saxon liberties is the willingness to expand its coverage to… Read more »

Tacitus
Tacitus
8 months ago

China is China because it’s people are Chinese. While their apotheosis is something many in the West study and admire in the form of Lao-Tze, Sun-Tze, and Confucius, the genetic stock and culture that created those minds was wiped out, and if it exists anywhere it’s in Formosa.

Mainland China consists of slave people: they resemble insects more than humans. Autonomy is not valued in China, and autonomy is absolutely one of the prerequisites for greatness of spirit, both at an individual level and societal.

CAPT S
CAPT S
Reply to  Tacitus
8 months ago

Agreed. This is where Buddhism/Taoism leads. Autonomy isn’t valued when the prevailing religion requires becoming One with the Cosmos. Even for Asian agnostics, the Taoist worldview governs.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  CAPT S
8 months ago

There’s also an Orientalist fatalism to those faiths – Islam calls it inshallah – Allah wills it. Go with the Great Flow, don’t make waves, what’s going to happen will happen. Same guys who wage jihad, go figure. YMMV by sect, I guess. It might be a matter of losing meaning in translation, but judging from what I read in Western languages about Eastern philosophy, a lot of it seems like circular, self-referential bafffle-gab and Potemkin profundity. “All is Nothingness, Nothing is the Ultimate Being” type sh*t. Maybe I’m a Phillistine but it seems to me there’s a lot more… Read more »

Tacitus
Tacitus
Reply to  Exile
8 months ago

Exile: Without getting into granular details, perhaps I can clarify matters for you. Any religious system should be broken down into it’s exoteric and esoteric components. The core esoterica of the East seemingly originated in India within the Vedic religion, an outgrowth of the Aryan migration. This is very similar in essence to the corpus hermetica, the Occidental core (or one of its manifestations) which arose out of Egypt and Greece (and older sources, if Ignatius Donnelly is correct). As far as what is actually believed in the far East, it is a strange syncretism of the outer veil of… Read more »

Exile
Exile
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Reply to  Tacitus
8 months ago

The most approachable sources I’ve seen for Eastern trads have been the German philos and Jung, all of whom were attracted to it by the sense of IE-Aryan roots. I know a great deal gets lost in translation. I’ve given Dharma Kirti’s pods a shot to get my head around it but it all comes across as very muddled. I suspect we need a modern Hegel or Heidegger to cast a more Western-intelligible light on this stuff. Cleary who I mention elsewhere in today’s comments does a pretty good job of explaining Being vs. being in that context, FWIW.

Tacitus
Tacitus
Reply to  Exile
8 months ago

Jung definitely too understood these things and did a fantastic job of translating them into a western framework of understanding. The single best source I have found on these matters is Manly P Hall, whose library Jung borrowed from extensively. He does a wonderful job of explaining layers of symbolism, getting to the heart of the matter. The core message he puts out there is that our purpose here is to grow and unfold our potential, whatever it may be, by living according to the unwritten laws of the universe (think hermetic principles, cause and effect, polarity, correspondence). This to… Read more »

AltitudeZero
AltitudeZero
8 months ago

With regard to China’s future, I found this quite interesting.

https://aelkus.github.io/problem/2019/12/02/machine

Sorry about feeding the troll – obviously need more coffee…

Sandmich
Sandmich
Reply to  AltitudeZero
8 months ago

Those are some long winded articles but I think what they’re getting at is the Chinese tendency to treat everyday as exactly as the day before will be as rigid as cement when fed into a machine, thus making the Chinese managerial process, as bad as it already is, even worse. Worth noting that working against all this is that Chinese society is very clannish. This is something authoritarian rule actually makes worse, not better since clans are the only method people have to defend themselves in such an environment. It sounds silly to say something like “the tighter they… Read more »

Glenn
Glenn
8 months ago

Thank you for the insight.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
8 months ago

Interesting. In libertarian circles it is apostasy to say “the NAP isn’t enough.” Just so, in some DR circles it’s apostasy to say “IQ isn’t enough.” Zman says here that China’s “biology and culture dictate the institutions, politics and economics.” Does this mean he’s saying that “culture and economics are downstream from biology and thus IQ isn’t enough”? Seems to. Or even that over long time-periods “biology tends to DICTATE culture”? If so—and some here will argue yes—then a winning combo is to take a high-IQ population biologically inclined to create dysfunctional or not-so-ideal cultures and give it a nice… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Jim Smith
8 months ago

Jim Smith: “Does this mean he’s saying that “culture and economics are downstream from biology and thus IQ isn’t enough”?” (Warning to others – long comment to follow, sorry). That’s precisely what he’s saying – and what others of us have argued, as well. I went to an elite college and let me tell you – IQ alone isn’t sufficient. Zman’s characterization of Israel (“a land of advisers and critics”) is both funny and apt. Basic intellectual functioning is necessary, of course, but an ideal society (for Whites) requires other things – community and cohesion and trust, where agreements are… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  3g4me
8 months ago

Very well written dear lady and I’m just going to say this sentence is what it’s all about…
Basic intellectual functioning is necessary, of course, but an ideal society (for Whites) requires other things – community and cohesion and trust, where agreements are honored and all value and care for community property.
The trust part is essential because it makes the cohesion and Community possible…

Exile
Exile
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Reply to  3g4me
8 months ago

10% seems to be the tipping point for diversity. I’d suggest that only for a culture that has strong foundations, ala America pre-WWII, pre-Holocaustianity and pre-1965 mass immigration. I’d like to see full apartheid, Whites-only ethnic core areas, mixed suburbs where that 10% lives and spin the urban hellholes off as “free cities,” politically-separate Lesothos that we control/curb as necessary by maintaining a chokehold on their resources and infrastructure as well as their presence under our military umbrella.

MossHammer
Member
Reply to  Exile
8 months ago

I think Escape From New York might be a blue print for Lesothos!

sheliak
sheliak
Reply to  Exile
8 months ago

Exile, take a deep breath, slow down and consider further the likely outcomes of your proposal.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  sheliak
8 months ago

I’ve said this a dozen+ times here, never without thought. Why not just tell us what you’re getting at?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Exile
8 months ago

The global attack on South Africa/Rhodesia.

Once a certain someone got the uranium for their Dimona nukes, they went after the gold and diamond fields.

(Another question- where was that uranium processed into weapons-grade plutonium?)

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
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Reply to  3g4me
8 months ago

“Or, do we (and they) allow a free intermingling which will result in their eventual ultimate genetic assimilation into our gene pool. ” Good question. It gets to the gist of what Z has referred to as the “Yoko Ono Problem”. In a very limited way it may be a beneficial. Variation and selection are a constant. Other groups who have evolved along a path similar to ours and created complex highly literate and creative civilizations have often done so through different adaptations. By consciously adding this mutation in a very limited way we can test its adaptability within our… Read more »

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Yves Vannes
8 months ago

Physical presence is no longer a prerequisite for benefiting from an individuals abilities.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  3g4me
8 months ago

It’s hard to make the case for immigration on the basis of advantage to the native population.
And what other advantage should matter?

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  3g4me
8 months ago

3g4me, very good elucidation of your ideas and position on the subject. It advances the discussion, and thank you for it.

Sandmich
Sandmich
Reply to  3g4me
8 months ago

A “curiosity” gene, interesting…

Otto vB
Otto vB
Reply to  Jim Smith
8 months ago

Although IQ is a very good tool of measurement, it is a limited one, as any good tool is. Just as a ruler is very useful for what it is designed to measure but isn’t much help in assessing a distance in microns. We have an old saying in my profession: when all you have is a hammer, the whole world looks like a nail. IQ measures certain cognitive abilities but is not comprehensive, and many of those abilities such as creativity are not easy to empirically quantify mathematically. IQ is very important but other Biological Traits of Occidentals led… Read more »

c matt
c matt
8 months ago

This is why fears of a ruling class dominated by people of an Oriental outlook is probably misplaced. The displacement of whites from the ruling class is just another symptom of the decline. It is a phase that will lead to greater social unrest and instability as North America slowly becomes majority-minority. A ruling class distrusted by and alien to the majority of the population is not going to have a long future, no matter how smart and ruthless they are as people.

So, is that what we would call a grey pill?

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  c matt
8 months ago

“A ruling class distrusted by and alien to the majority of the population….” Don’t we already have that? And isn’t the election of Trump one manifestation of a dawning reaction to it?

Horace
Horace
Reply to  c matt
8 months ago

The British who governed Indians in the Raj did a FAR FAR better job at governing Indian peoples than their own elites had EVER done, and they were not even trying. They were there to make money, not to be benevolent. Nevertheless, Indians HATED them being there and dropped bayoneted white babies down wells when they got their chance. (Great Mutiny) No one likes being ruled by foreigners and if the foreigner does a better job than local elites, then that just sticks in the craw even more. Jews have gotten away with so much crap because they can pass… Read more »

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
8 months ago

IQis a useful measure of potential but it is dependent upon more fundamental instinctual drives and preferences. East Asian societies share a large spectrum of characteristics with one another. It is the same for the West. This is why the West looks and acts like the West and the East looks and acts like the East. Most of the people in the East and the West are not high IQ. A very small percentage of both populations have an IQ of over 115 (which should be the cutoff for anyone pursuing even the most unchallenging of college degrees). But what… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Yves Vannes
8 months ago

Yves, well stated. I might add that our IQ measure is a rank order measure, not interval, so we really can’t state that the difference between say, 100 and 105 is the same as the difference between 130 and 135. Of course, if there are group differences—even at the 5-6 point level—there will be tail differences at the extremes which (all things being equal) produce more folk of genius IQ potential. Dutton in the book, “The Genius Famine” explores the implications of a declining IQ and therefore a decline in numbers of extreme IQ individuals (geniuses).

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  Compsci
8 months ago

Good point about the scale being rank order. Let’s also take note that normal distributions can vary. European Caucasoid males have a flatter distribution. As a percentage of our overall population we produce more very dumb and more very smart males.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Yves Vannes
8 months ago

“IQ is a useful measure of potential but it is dependent upon more fundamental instinctual drives and preferences.” I think everyone here can agree that “everything starts with biology.” So could it be that IQ is only one of a “cluster of characteristics” “downstream from biology” which determine the success of various populations? But wait: There are so-so populations today who in the past were fabulously successful, including the Egyptians, Assyrians, Romans, Cambodians, Greeks, Mayans, Turks, etc. So…what happened to them? And is what “happened to them” now “happening to us”?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jim Smith
8 months ago

Jim, If one goes back to the very first writings on “intelligence”—way back to Darwin’s cousin Galton, intelligence was never considered to be the be all and end all of an individual. Galton spoke of (IIRC) a person’s merit of being composed of “intelligence”, “character”, and “physical health”. We have of lately revised the term “character” with “conscientiousness“ to fit in with more modern understanding.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jim Smith
8 months ago

Yes, yes, John Smith, why did they stop?

I say that whenever Dusky accuses me of ‘stealing it’.

Drake
Drake
8 months ago

I’m a tad suspicious of the average IQ numbers for Asians. There are a billion Chinese and similar number of Indians. If they were so smart, they might have figured out birth control a while back. We get to see the top 0.1% over here. I suspect their farmers and blue-collar types are fairly dumb. That was certainly my experience in South Asia. And as has been pointed out, they make up for their smarts with an utter lack of creativity and initiative.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Drake
8 months ago

Rule of thumb: Chinese with glasses, 100-plus IQ. Without glasses, under 100.

Blacksmith Zeke
Reply to  Drake
8 months ago

Birth control for your own clan is foolish. White success in colonizing half the world was dependent upon the ability to flood and replace the natives. Whites rocketed to 25% of the world population during the Industrial Revolution before embracing birth control and dropping to 7%. Soon they’ll be 2%. Birth control directly enabled feminism. Then it enabled mass immigration in an attempt to prop up the ponzi scheme pension system and financial institutions. Africa will conquer Europe due simply to its lack of birth control, despite its paltry average IQ. China’s future problems are also directly tied to its… Read more »

ProUSA
ProUSA
Reply to  Blacksmith Zeke
8 months ago

Birth control also gave gheys the pathway to same sex marriage.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Blacksmith Zeke
8 months ago

“” White success in colonizing half the world was dependent upon the ability to flood and replace the natives.”
Yeah the five thousand British running the Indian Raj of 400 million certainly depended on flooding them out.

Fuck off to some place where ignorance doesn’t matter,

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  bilejones
8 months ago

bilejones, don’t be so filled with bile. Your point is noted. How whites conquered and replaced the natives living in North America is also noted.

Blacksmith Zeke
Reply to  bilejones
8 months ago

The whites did flood and replace the natives of Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the US, Argentina, South Africa, the original inhabitants of the British Isles, and to a lesser extent Brazil and the rest of Central and South America. India was a bit too big to bite off and they ran out of time. Had whites practiced birth control then, they never would have gotten a foothold anywhere outside Europe. Did I hit a nerve? Are you a boomer who chose boats instead of children, or a pathetic MGTOW?

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Blacksmith Zeke
8 months ago

Africa will conquer Europe because the Europeans lost their balls. If they regain them, like some of the Eastern Europeans have, the Africans will be expelled and there’s not a damn thing they could do about it.

Blacksmith Zeke
Reply to  Drake
8 months ago

Losing your balls and voluntarily preventing your own descendants are virtually identical.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Drake
8 months ago

The Asian population (Asian as in Chinese, not Indians) are always broken down into Northern (China, Japan, Korean) vs Southern (Cambodian, Vietnamese’, etc.). Southern Asians are not consider to be a high IQ grouping. As to Indians, Reich in his last book has a chapter on them. Indian is a term that also encompasses too many sub populations under one heading. There are really 5 populations (Reich argues for many more), but I’ll follow the traditional Indian “caste” system. What we see in the USA are mainly the highest (Brahmin) caste. And indeed, they can hold their own among the… Read more »

Lamar
Lamar
Reply to  Drake
8 months ago

My experience in China is that even the rank and file elite working R&D are not very bright. Also, Asians cheat like mad any and every way possible. This would include cheating on the exam, but more importantly, fudging the data. IQ scores should be considered thusly. After all, they had a 1000 year head start on us and didn’t even start to catch up until they, or someone sympathetic to the cause, had the bright idea of buying up the Senate in the 1990s.

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  Drake
8 months ago

Good call. The most marginalized of backwater groups in places like India, China, Africa, Blacks in the rural deep South and the worst parts of the inner city…are undersampled for logistical reasons. Some of it by design.

Epaminondas
Member
8 months ago

Russia/Soviet Union seems to be a good example of what happens when an alien ruling class outlasts its welcome. This would seem to account for much of the neocons’ hostility toward Russia. We may end up impoverished in the attempt to get rid of our ruling class, but it will be worth it.

Tucker nailed the problem last night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UatnTSwEUoc

De Ferres
De Ferres
Reply to  Epaminondas
8 months ago

(((Paul Singer)))

R7 Rocket
R7 Rocket
Reply to  De Ferres
8 months ago

@De Ferres
The problem isn’t billionaires…
it’s ((((((billionaires)))))).

ProUSA
ProUSA
Reply to  Epaminondas
8 months ago

All those companies guys like Singer destroy just to enjoy the best coke and hookers that money can buy. Republicans who take his money make it easy for the Left to attack them.

james wilson
james wilson
Member
Reply to  ProUSA
8 months ago

Does the left attack them? Singer is doing their work for them.

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  Epaminondas
8 months ago

Epa; Tucker’s right, but it was being a public company that made Singer’s raid possible. Cabella’s need not have gone public, but doing so made the original business owners wealthy. So it wasn’t *just* Singer’s doing. One reason the tycoons of 100 year ago were charitable was elite pressure by an explicitly American elite, possibly operating out of enlightened self-interest. And they owned their own companies. Now, we have, literally, a rootless cosmopolitan elite with no attachment to anywhere in particular, and I’m not talking about the usual suspects here, rather the entire Cloud Folk. And nobody in particular owns… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Al from da Nort
8 months ago

Rumor has it Chick-Fil-A wants to go public so the family can cash out, and that is why all of the current stuff is going on there. Of course, the IPO will trade on “past” numbers, while the “forward” numbers are rather uncertain, given that the company has decided to insult its customer base.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Al from da Nort
8 months ago

As I understand it Singer put Cabela in a situation where it could be sued, then threatened to burden the company for years with hampering court proceedings. The board decided to cave rather than fight the legendarily vicious Paul Singer. You’re right about the decision to take Cabela public. That was the fatal mistake.

Sandmich
Sandmich
Reply to  Al from da Nort
8 months ago

Reminds me of an anecdote Steve Sailer had where he related that “management buyout” was basically code for “steal everything that isn’t glued down”

UFO
UFO
8 months ago

Personally I’m not interested in whether Chinese people are “better” or “worse” at x, y and z.

It goes deeper than this, on a spiritual level. I want to live with my own people.

We can certainly make observations and comparisons. But the primary driver isn’t “IQ” or “ability to make civilization” – the primary driver is that I want to be free to associate exclusively with my own people.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  UFO
8 months ago

I used to make this point over at Sailer’s comment’s section. People over there are obsessed with IQ, probably because they’re all way over educated. CivNat always use IQ as an excuse to flood our country with foreigners, and are a shocked when I tell them that I would no more want a million high-IQ Chinese as a million Africans.

They aren’t my people. Simple as that. CivNats hate such simple logic because it forces them to think about whites as a people, which they know will get them into trouble.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
8 months ago

They aren’t my people. Simple as that. CivNats hate such simple logic because it forces them to think about whites as a people, which they know will get them into trouble.
Which is why I’ve said they are cowards and have been kicked off of forums for stating that fact…They preach NAP/ZAP but live a life of pacifism…They are quislings and would sell you out or stab you in the back at the slightest chance…I have nothing but contempt for them…

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Lineman
8 months ago

CivNats are basically libertarians – and should be treated as such.

UFO
UFO
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
8 months ago

Yes. You make the same left wing argument that lower class whites are bad when you focus on IQ as a measure of superiority. When you say “Whites have a higher IQ than X” as a boast, you’re putting down the whites on the left side of the IQ curve. If an individual white has a lower IQ than the group you say whites have a higher IQ than, are you not writing him off as useless? (Wordy, but I hope you get my point). And then it’s even more sickening when they say “Well, Asians have a higher IQ… Read more »

UFO
UFO
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
8 months ago

I see it from a Biblical standpoint, essentially (yes, I know). God created many different types of people – visibly and temperamentally different from each other. Some groups are smarter, on average, than others. Some are stronger. Some individuals are smarter than other individuals. Some are better looking. We accept that this is the individual card God gave us. We have to accept that this is also the group card God gave us. We got the white card, and sub-Saharans got the black card. It is what it is. We are all equal in the eyes of God and in… Read more »

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
8 months ago

That is the perfect wording, and perfect answer.

2A_Practicioner
2A_Practicioner
Reply to  UFO
8 months ago

Agreed 100%

CAPT S
CAPT S
Reply to  UFO
8 months ago

“My own people” are also not progressive whites, whom I will shun to the ends of the earth. The defining of “my people” has two constituent parts: 1) biological harmony, and 2) ideological harmony.

sheliak
sheliak
Reply to  CAPT S
8 months ago

You’ve just made a classic leftist / progressive argument.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  CAPT S
8 months ago

My hope is that many of the anti-white whites are brainwashed and incentivized by the elites and are salvageable. We’ll see.

Beyond that, there seems to be a temperamental split between whites who feel small-government and those who feel socialist. My hope is that they can live separately in a federation with a mutual defense pact.

My first inclination would be to live with the small-government group, but I might find that the socialists create deeper, more satisfying communities that are worth the higher taxation.

CAPT S
CAPT S
Reply to  LineInTheSand
8 months ago

I share the same inclination but the ideology of radical Randian individualism runs strong in the small-gov’t group. I think you’re correct that if we have biological harmony then pursuing moderate socialist policies could be workable as long as it’s locally accountable.

Hilltop
Hilltop
8 months ago

One interesting thing about China is that have essentially no presence in international popular culture. They don’t even have anime, like Japan. If they become powerful, they will be see as totally alien overlords with almost no legitimacy. Also, the Chinese will always look Chinese. They’re color-coded. That makes a major contrast to the Jews, who infiltrate the popular culture in many countries, and use it to essentially rewrite the myths of that country without people realizing it. And a lot of people don’t even know that they’re not white. I think that’s why it’s so crucial to help other… Read more »

Rogeru
Rogeru
Reply to  Hilltop
8 months ago

The Chinese do seem over represented in classical music. Don’t know if that means anything, just an observation.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Rogeru
8 months ago

Performing, not composing, though. Big difference.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Exile
8 months ago

“It’s high time the piano learned it did not write the concerto!”

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Hilltop
8 months ago

Excellent point. There have been numerous Japanese cultural aspects that have crossed over into Western society. Anime has had consistent popularity for at least a couple of decades now. Japan was the birthplace of car drifting – which is now very popular in the US car culture. All things Samurai show up again and again within US culture. I can’t think of anything comparable that has crossed over from Chinese culture. Companies like Honda, Sony, and Toyota enjoy much greater respect as manufacturers of quality products – than any Chinese company I can think of. WW2 propaganda notwithstanding, Japan as… Read more »

Felix_Krull
Member
Reply to  Calsdad
8 months ago

I can’t think of anything comparable that has crossed over from Chinese culture.

The systematic destruction of heritage culture by hordes of fanatic teenagers, brainwashed and whipped into an iconoclast frenzy by communist educators supported by government.

Felix_Krull
Member
Reply to  Calsdad
8 months ago

Companies like Honda, Sony, and Toyota enjoy much greater respect as manufacturers of quality products – than any Chinese company I can think of.

The Japanese are perfectionists, the Germans of the East. The Chinese are merchants, always trying to screw you out of one more penny.

WW2 propaganda notwithstanding, Japan as people, nation, and culture seems to enjoy a much higher level of respect in the US than anything Chinese.

And the Germans enjoy more respect than the British. It’s almost as if the wrong guys lost.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Calsdad
8 months ago

Calsdad,

I agree with you points across the board, but do take exception to the “WW2 propaganda notwithstanding”.

Imperial Japan’s conduct from the 1930s invasion of China to the end of WWII can be described as nothing less than barbarism.

Having said that, I do admire them as a people in many ways and enjoyed my visit there thoroughly. I am particular envious of their 2019 refugee admittance numbers. I believe it was 42 people. Ours can only be summed up as “refugee horde” Admirable to say the least.

Felix_Krull
Member
Reply to  Penitent Man
8 months ago

Imperial Japan’s conduct from the 1930s invasion of China to the end of WWII can be described as nothing less than barbarism. Yes, there’s that. What I find most notable about modern, Japanese culture is that they seem to have managed to fuse Western culture with their own and create something new, yet distinctly Japanese. To do so, takes cultural self-confidence. In other East Asian countries, Western culture exists side-by-side with traditional culture, competing with it and slowly displacing it. Mind you, apart from an admiration of their aesthetic sense and their commitment to good craftsmanship, I find Japanese culture… Read more »

vmax71
Reply to  Felix_Krull
8 months ago

…and they are NOT making babies. This is a big problem for them imho.

Felix_Krull
Member
Reply to  vmax71
8 months ago

Frontier thinking. Japan, like Europe, is overcrowded already, and the robots are coming.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Felix_Krull
8 months ago

Felix,

For a time a made a novice study of Japanese gardening techniques and rudimentary tool production, which mirrors Amish beauty of utility in its design. I was enchanted by both subject’s austere beauty. It sort of led me into interest into Japanese tea ceremony and then I tried to broaden my understanding of the culture. Which led me to realize it was completely inscrutable to me. Too alien. Their traditions too foreign for me to grasp the why’s of it.

Sam Detente
Sam Detente
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Reply to  Penitent Man
8 months ago

> Their traditions too foreign for me to grasp the why’s of it. It’s not hard. Family, first. Group cohesiveness, second. Collective benefit, third. The destruction of the nuclear family in the West is bemoaned enough, especially in our circles, so the first one should be of no mystery to you. Group cohesiveness is a little trickier because white Americans are now starting to realize what becoming a minority will mean for them and that yes, your identity to a tribe matters and will matter more so in the future. Collective benefit, basically, means since you belong to a group… Read more »

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Penitent Man
8 months ago

The Western media and the Western mind can’t seem comprehend some of what the Japanese did during WW2 (and before). Things like the massacre at Nanking, kamikazes, fighting to the death – etc. I’ve been studying WW2 history since I was a kid. Massacres – especially in WW2 , were not uncommon – and Western countries did it as well. So what are you really complaining about – the methods used? Is it somehow worse when you loose a bunch of soldiers upon a city and they go around and murder women and children – but better if it’s done… Read more »

vmax71
Reply to  Calsdad
8 months ago

The Japanese are an inquisitive people. They also find beauty in perfection. Hence , they take something about the west they love and attempt to perfect it. This thought came to me as I was recently reading about this Japanese Whiskey distillery winning contests over and over again. Look at the baseball gloves made by Mizuno. The cars, of course. The consumer electronics.

Sam Detente
Sam Detente
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Reply to  vmax71
8 months ago

> This thought came to me as I was recently reading about this Japanese Whiskey >distillery winning contests over and over again.

Heh, which one? Japan dominated all these foppish competitions in 2018. I think they’re all largely owned by Suntory.

vmax71
Reply to  Sam Detente
8 months ago

yeah: Yamazaki and Suntory win this shit every year

Vegetius
Vegetius
8 months ago

China can be starved.

Sleepy
Sleepy
Member
8 months ago

My impression of Israel, admittedly based on reading about it but never traveling there, is that it is a weird @#$%^ing place, with: A “vibrant” homosexual subculture, Another subculture of the folks in the funny clothes and hats and the funny facial hair, all with 7-12 kids, and A cabal of vicious expansionists that run the place and are hell-bent on their pipe dream of a “Greater Israel.” In practice, it seems to function mainly as a bolt hole for Jews in the diaspora who run afoul of the laws and customs of their host nations. That the US subsidizes… Read more »

Albino Walrus
Albino Walrus
Reply to  Sleepy
8 months ago

I’ve been there. My quick impression was that it was very, very clear that I was an Outsider and Not One Of Them. Not especially friendly/polite/cordial.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Sleepy
8 months ago

In my few professional dealings with Israelis, every. last. thing. is a negotiation. Z’s comment, “Israel is a land of advisers and critics, perpetually haggling with one another…” rang big bells with me.

Goetz
Goetz
Reply to  Dutch
8 months ago

I see this trait of adversarial haggling in certain publishers as they deal with their client universities, while other publishers are more gently gentile.

Ant Man Bee
Reply to  Sleepy
8 months ago

Israel is not the homeland of the Jews. Even the Jews do not believe this. If they thought it was the homeland of the Jews, then all the Jews would go and live there, and be forever free of the turrrble, trrrrble scourge of anti-semitism — a scourge which of course does not even exist. But they do not all go and live there, and they never will, and both we and they know it. If all the Jews lived among fellow Jews, who would they scam and enslave and exploit? Israel is simply the gangster headquarters of an international… Read more »

Sam Detente
Sam Detente
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Reply to  Ant Man Bee
8 months ago

> Israel is not the homeland of the Jews. Even the Jews do not believe this. Hahahahaha hahahahaha hahahaha, good one. That’s like saying the house I took out a mortgage on, moved into, and raised a family isn’t mine because someone else built it and resided in it before I got my grubby hands on the land deed. For as much blood, coin, assistance, bullets, deceit, murder, and outright theft the Jews have committed to establishing Israel and maintaining it, let alone all the kikes in government who openly maintain dual citizenship to Israel, that’s a whole lotta non-… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Sam Detente
8 months ago

With a little help from

France: the partition of Syria Palestina into northern Syria and southern Palestine in 1924
Hitler: the Havarra transfer program
Britain: the Palestinian Mandate

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
8 months ago

Con’t
And, of course, shattered Sumeria and the Ehdeen (Garden), destroyed by meteors, the ‘angel with swords of fire’,

-then the Habiru’s (“refugee”) new homeland of Mesopotamian Akkad, the terrible slave empire they destroyed with the help of their Guterian African beast-men,

-then of Ur in Babylon, where Ur-Nammu and Hamm-ur-abi had resurrected civilization after a dark age
– in which Abraham the Lucifer and his kin raided the neighboring tributaries, then fled after they failed to kill their Lord when he told them to stop.

Marko
Marko
8 months ago

Another thing to consider is that Chinese students are going back to China as much as they’re staying here, and i think more will return to their homelands as China gets richer. 15 years ago many Chinese thought the US and the West was preferable to, say Zhejiang province, but not so much anymore.

ReturnOfBestGuest
ReturnOfBestGuest
Reply to  Marko
8 months ago

According to this article from last year https://bit.ly/2P8Ctws 79% of Chinese students studying abroad return home. Up from 5% in ’87 and 30% in ’07. I don’t know what effect the situation in HK will have on those numbers.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  ReturnOfBestGuest
8 months ago

Most Chinese I know don’t support HK protesters. They are normally super-nationalistic, more than your average WN. The nationalism is encouraging overseas Chinese to return home, especially from the US, where they perceive a declining standard of living and high crime rate. They’re not wrong!

ReturnOfBestGuest
ReturnOfBestGuest
Reply to  Marko
8 months ago

Ten years ago there were ~128K Chinese studying in the US. https://nyti.ms/382IvHv Last year there were ~363K student visas issued to the Chinese. The Chinese refuse to repatriate their citizens under final deportation orders from the US for criminal convictions. Yet we give them aid and visas on demand. Go figure.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Marko
8 months ago

Chinese students: Apart from the theft of IP (including process knowledge) issue, there is the matter of which ones are working for the Party. Between my engineering and medical training, I’ve encountered a fair number of mainland Chinese. On cordial terms with most, but have made actual friends with only one, and that guy generally avoided other Chinese as well. I asked him why one day. His reply was “About one in 10 of the students here is reporting back to the government. It’s not like they’re government agents or actual spies, but they do it either because they like… Read more »

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Mike_C
8 months ago

Yes…”lao maozi” (“old hairy”) for Russians and “da bizi” for all other Westerners. Most Chinese I know are perfectly polite and civilized, but they do keep to themselves mostly, and it’s hard to enter their friend-group. I just think Chinese are just comfortable around Chinese, no matter where they live. The coolest Chinese I have met are very critical of their government, and often other compatriots. (Sound familiar?) The level of national pride is high at the moment, so I am not surprised that Chinese spies or informants are all over. Then again, 15 years ago, there were many more… Read more »

Sam Detente
Sam Detente
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Reply to  Marko
8 months ago

> The coolest Chinese I have met are very critical of their government, and often other compatriots. Same. One dude in my riding group is Chinese and has railed a few times against the influx of trannies and soy freaks touring his homeland. From what I gather of internal politics, the central government really doesn’t give two squirts about some citizen criticizing the government as long he/she doesn’t reach some arbitrary threshold of attention. Hong Kong, again, from what I gather, is a political PITA and wouldn’t have been worth repatriating if it wasn’t for the sheer amount of hard… Read more »

Pickle Rick
Pickle Rick
8 months ago

Once a native white ruling class disappears, the new ruling class will find out there’s nothing left to rule but ruins. South Africa seems to be a good example of that… It’s not all hopelessly lost, though. White people with the will to rule easily maintained their societies even as a minority- look at the antebellum South or the British Raj. Without getting into that nutjob German philosopher, we had, collectively, a will to power back then. That’s what keeps our opponents awake at night. That we’re on the cusp of rediscovering that power. Look at the long arc of… Read more »

Sperg Adjacent
Sperg Adjacent
Reply to  Pickle Rick
8 months ago

“King Pickle Rick the First”

It has a certain ring to it. When you assemble the team, count me in.

Pickle Rick
Pickle Rick
Reply to  Sperg Adjacent
8 months ago

Lord Protector, if you please!

Felix_Krull
Member
Reply to  Pickle Rick
8 months ago

Would you happen to need a chief of your secret police? I already have a decent list of prospective clients, all I’d need is a couple of helicopters and I could go to work immediately.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Sperg Adjacent
8 months ago

He just needs to start quoting Kipling and Tennyson to really make his rule legit.

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  Pickle Rick
8 months ago

Rick;

Already happening in the UK Labor Party. The ‘new englishmen’ are turning on the ‘red diaper babies’. Might have been our esteemed proprietor who observed that Pelosi, Schiff, et al, are likely the last whites to have power positions in CA Democrat politics. Likewise Donks in urban Minnesota, now Mogadishu on the Mississippi.

Member
8 months ago

It is almost like a parasitical organism can’t survive without a healthy host…

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
8 months ago

Great analysis Z and a great question. Why haven’t the high IQ Asians and Jews not ruled the world long before now? Western Culture and European Man are different that’s why. And as a Christian I would also say Christianity and not paganism for the European man. At least the Christianity that recognized Jewish interests could be hostile to Christian interests. But sometimes just different and not necessarily hostile. Unlike the Joel Osteen type clowns we see representing Christianity today. Pre Christian Rome and Greece had their strengths though but I just don’t think we can return to any form… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
8 months ago

Any form of theism would be superior to atheism. I’m not sure if it would be harder to sell the youth of Western society on muscular Christianity or paganism at this point. Either way, those we can “re-deify” are the future. Atheists with rare exceptions will be social ballast, divorced from past and future, diddling themselves into their dotage within an eternal present.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Exile
8 months ago

Christianity puts the trust into a high-trust society, which is one of the key ingredients to success.

Felix_Krull
Member
Reply to  DLS
8 months ago

Christianity puts the trust into a high-trust society, which is one of the key ingredients to success.

Scandinavians are the most atheist people in the world, and have built high-trust societies of the first order – in fact, they’re trusting themselves to death these years.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  DLS
8 months ago

Atheism’s NAP, legal punishment of damage by force or fraud, with social censure of the rest, does the same.

Felix_Krull
Member
Reply to  Exile
8 months ago

You can’t re-deify people, no matter how much it might benefit them. Atheism is a red pill, a one-way ticket.

If I told you you’d get a Maserati Ghibli for Christmas if you decided to believe in Santa, would you be able to do so?

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Felix_Krull
8 months ago

I disagree. I was an atheist for most of my twenties and exemplified what you describe. I believed it was an intellectual dead end, from which there was no turning back. In the end, however, all it took was someone to point out how perfectly the Bible illustrates the foundations of human nature, particularly as it relates to the behavior and roles of men and women (read Genesis with this in mind). From there, more and more of the world makes sense through a Christian lens. One can absolutely be intellectual and still retain great faith, as many men much… Read more »

Felix_Krull
Member
Reply to  KGB
8 months ago

…how perfectly the Bible illustrates the foundations of human nature, Even if I were to give you that, it has nothing to do with whether gods exist or not. The Bible could simply have been written by some very wise people. One can absolutely be intellectual and still retain great faith, as many men much smarter than I have proven. Only by maintaining a form of multiple personality disorder. I’ve met many smart Christians, but they always seem to operate on two mental levels: in a professional or mundane context they might be as rational and logical as you like,… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Felix_Krull
8 months ago

Even if I were to give you that, it has nothing to do with whether gods exist or not. The Bible could simply have been written by some very wise people. Exactly so. And if that’s as far as you’re willing to ponder this subject, you’ll probably walk away satisfied. From my perspective these very wise people weren’t writing a work of fiction, they were describing, in allegorical terms, universal truths that are encoded in our existence for a reason. What reason? And who did this encoding? Well, then why do you persist believing in galaxies and such? Stars are… Read more »

DLS
DLS
Reply to  KGB
8 months ago

I too was agnostic, leaning atheistic, until my mid-twenties. I bought all the cynicism, straw men and false dichotomies presented by the atheists and secularists. But the more I read and learned, the more I realized that Christianity had answers to the why of existence, not just the limited material explanations presented by science. You can believe in science and and also that God created science, so how can they be at odds. God is not responsible for men who try to explain him that sometimes get things wrong from a scientific perspective.

Felix_Krull
Member
Reply to  DLS
8 months ago

Christianity had answers to the why of existence.

Care to share?

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Felix_Krull
8 months ago

Felix- I believe you and I have chatted about this before. You strike me as an intelligent, open-minded person, and I enjoy reading your thoughtful comments. Christianity teaches the “why” starts with letting go of our material, selfish fixations. Jesus had two commandments: love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself. Some atheists believe this makes God a narcissist, but He doesn’t need your love. It’s about refocusing to being loving, giving creatures. Whether you believe in God or not, that way lies happiness, which is the first half of the “why”. And whether you believe… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Felix_Krull
8 months ago

Two main processors, it depends on which one is dominant at the moment- materialist or sensing the immaterial?

One uses linear verbal processing, the other holographic sensoria processing.

Hard to translate, but it is possible, as long as we know how it works.

Mike Ricci
Mike Ricci
Reply to  DLS
8 months ago

I find science to be better at explaining existence than religion but humans definitely evolved to be religious; we did not evolve to be hyper-rational.

At this point I suspect declining religious belief in the West is related to the increased atomization of people in this society. Religion gets reinforced by consistent deep social interaction, but we’ve lost that. Whether god is real or not becomes less important in the right conditions.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Mike Ricci
8 months ago

Ricci, DLS demonstrates that religion is a social function, trying to use archaic mechanical terminology.

Let us define more accurate terms, and use both. Otherwise it’s a tangled tapestry of monkeys barking.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Felix_Krull
8 months ago

Disagree. Unlike the ideas that support Our Thing (HBD, 13 do 50, etc) there is no positive evidence for atheism. It’s a belief founded on disbelief.

90%+ of atheists I’ve ever met based their atheism on an anti-religious foundation, not a heartfelt or even a deductive positive materialism.

Mankind has always shown a spiritual impulse. One of the reasons atheistic Scandis express their altruism in a self-destructive, distorted fashion is this now-misdirected and unanchored spiritual impulse.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Exile
8 months ago

Why either one?
Neither can explain anything.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
8 months ago

Have had a friend and colleague for years who is mainland Chinese, having emigrated here after completing her BS at Peking University —back when you had to score in the top .01 to qualify—then came here and completed an MBA and CFA. Once in the US for several years she was acutely aware of this “gap” in her mode of thinking. Helped guide her through what was effectively a western liberal education in history, philosophy and literature. She’d knock through 20 hours of Carlin podcasts on the Roman republic in a weekend, then we’d discuss it over the next week.… Read more »

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  SamlAdams
8 months ago

So a question for you, Saml. Of the various Chinese you’ve known, what proportion do you think would even want to (much less work diligently at, like your friend), know more about the West and fit in better? I met a Chinese woman (PhD) who holds a national research grant (i.e. she is paid entirely by the government) in Sweden, at an elite institution. She’s been there for nearly a decade and apparently speaks and reads less Swedish than I do (which at its peak was about 20h of “Learn Swedish” tapes, i.e. very little.) I asked her, out of… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Mike_C
8 months ago

Mike_C – That emphasis on simple courtesy – offering another culture and people the respect of adhering to their language and habits when even only visiting there – is vitally important. An uncomfortable memory is when I neglected to ensure I had enough local currency on my drive back from Germany to catch the car train in what was then far north Yugoslavia. When I stopped for some food I not only had to pay in dollars, but I didn’t speak any German. Everyone was exceedingly kind and accommodating, but I felt like a worm.

Felix_Krull
Member
Reply to  3g4me
8 months ago

Relax. There are assholes everywhere, but most Europeans feel not the least bit offended by American tourists not speaking localese. Europeans holiday in France, Italy, Spain and Greece all the time, you think we bother to learn the lingo?

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  SamlAdams
8 months ago

Saml- I would argue it was not (or not only) the “intellectual shackles of growing up in Chinese society,” but the cultural shackles of growing up amidst all other Chinese, and – most importantly, the biological roots of all those other things. That’s why American-born Chinese (ABCs) may wear jeans and speak accentless English, but they not only imbibe certain ideas and habits from their parents (and, very frequently, their grandparents who actually raised them), but there are just different ways of thought that go back thousands of years. Merely placing someone whose biology is Han going back centuries onto… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Member
8 months ago

It takes more than eggs to make a good omelette. The vast disparity between White and Asian creative achievements in culture and the arts, and yes, even technology, stems from a synergy of factors that IQ only partially accounts for. Our radical advantages in both quality and quantity of creativity, self-awareness, transcendent aspirations and “horizontal” social organization are all key ingredients the Asian buffet lacks. Colin Cleary’s books from Counter-Currents (Reading the Runes, Summoning the Gods*) have some good insights on the unique nature of European consciousness and spirituality as they relate to these “missing links.” As for muh Reds… Read more »

Severian
8 months ago

I have never entirely bought the “Han have high IQs” hype. Let me let y’all in on higher ed’s worst-kept secret: Asian kids cheat. A LOT. On everything. They cheat when there’s advantage to be gained, of course, but they cheat when there’s no possible advantage. They even cheat when it’s counterproductive — I mean, seriously counterproductive, as in “you spent 10x more time figuring out a way to cheat than you would’ve spent just playing it straight.” You’ve never lived until you’ve seen a sweaty Han begging to be allowed to use his graphing calculator in History class, because… Read more »

Albino Walrus
Albino Walrus
Reply to  Severian
8 months ago

And when they get out into the tech workforce, it continues. Why debug the failure in the test suite when you could simply disable the failing test, or even just change “print FAIL” to “print PASS”?

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  Albino Walrus
8 months ago

Albino;
Yeah, ask Boeing how well having your 737Max control software done in Bangalore has worked out for them. IMHO the big reason while these aircraft are still grounded is because the FAA has to be worrying about what other shortcuts were made and Boeing dare not tell them for fear of liability lawyers.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  Al from da Nort
8 months ago

I’ll just leave this here…

https://www.boeing.com/careers/organizations/women-make-us-better/

Because, to me, nothing says ‘unshakeable technical competence” than a middle-aged overweight black female who –definitely– got hired because of her +2 standard deviation IQ to the right, right? LOL!

Expect this problem to get far far worse as we start to ignore objective reality and see the disastrous and very real consequences of doing so. (see: Str0nk Latina Bridge Engineering)

MossHammer
Member
Reply to  Apex Predator
8 months ago

Apex, you nailed it. Browns and Asians are surfing on the bones of great America. At some point, the inertial wave plays out. When that happens, we’ll have more to deal as a society than de-acceleration sickness of a crashed Boeing.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Apex Predator
8 months ago

My guess is 3-4 engineers among the whites and Asians, and all the rest in HR and Diversity Relations.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Severian
8 months ago

A corollary to this is the sheer volume of corner cutting that gets done in Chinese society. Whether it’s melamine in infant formula or salt water in the concrete mix, the customer takes a backseat to the yuan. The first comment on today’s post mentions the vlogger Serpentza, a South African who lives in southern China. He’s done videos on the phenomenon of Chinese apartment buildings that are sold as paragons of modernity but which fall into disrepair within 5 years of the ribbon cutting. Cracked walls, broken fountains, heaving sidewalks, overgrowth in the common areas. It’s inevitable that the… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Member
8 months ago

Jews face a different set of problems that hold their high-IQ’s back from high civilization. Z’s pegged the main culprit – cultural parasitism. Jews have both genetically and culturally over-specialized in fields that demand a high-density urbanized high culture to thrive (finance, trade, law, mass-media, performing arts, academia) but they lack the empathy, agreeableness and sheer numbers to form their own independent high-pop metro societies. Israel itself requires vast external support from a parasitic diaspora and cucked Western “allies.” Their exploitative, supremacist culture and genetically-high rates of neuroticism, agressive threat-response and perversion make it impossible to reach a healthy symbiosis… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Exile
8 months ago

“[C]hild star groping.”

Who is Louis B. Mayer?

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Libertymike
8 months ago

Turtles all the way down – anyone researching the Golden Age of Hollywood is advised to wear rubber gloves.

Who was Leo Frank?

Member
Reply to  Exile
8 months ago

Ron Unz’ October 15, 2018 7,300 word essay is an excellent prolegomenon on how Herr Frank’s fate gave birth to the ADL.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Libertymike
8 months ago

Check out the “Myth of the 20th Century” pod on the Frank case/ADL as well. One of their better ones, polished and in-depth. Brutal truth there. The ADL has a sleazier origin story than rapey-molester Morris Dees’ SPLC.

Member
Reply to  Exile
8 months ago

Thanks, will do.

vmax71
Reply to  Exile
8 months ago

OR, simply watch the Godfather…..and the scene about the producer who avenged the loss of his child girlfriend and wouldn’t give Vito’s nephew the movie part….and got a severed horse’s head in his bed for his trouble.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
8 months ago

Asians could never rule the world because they are gambling addicts. They’ll work 15 hour days, years on end, and gamble it all away. Gambling is a genetic addiction with them. Their slanted eyes, glazed over in ecstasy, chain smoking, staring perpetually at screens full of flashing anime figures and gold coins, entranced by the little dings and electronic sounds. They can conquer anything, but they will never conquer the Indian Casino and the card club.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  JR Wirth
8 months ago

Spent some time in SoCal’s numerous Injun casinos – can confirm. At least I prefer poker to pai gow. This is the Asian materialist dilemma. For all the airy-fairy pretensions of Eastern mysticism, I’ve seen precious few Asians who could turn down a quick buck. The Dalai Llama and two or three others, who were also Nepalese or similar stock, IIRC. I haven’t seen this as much among the Japanese vs. other Asians, though. Not sure why. It definitely makes for some real-life “diversity” in the monolithic image of Asians as super-hard-working grinders who all save like good little ants… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Exile
8 months ago

The Japanese government knows very well the gambling issue with Asians, which is why casinos have been outlawed in Japan for decades, until recently by the way. A new one may be opening in Osaka, owned by MGM of Las Vegas. The Japanese are about to chase the dragon again, and find out why they banned them in the first place. It will be one of the few American products that will have been successfully exported to that country. Vice is now our greatest export, tobacco, gambling, porn, fast food, craft beer and other alcohol, Hollywood, etc. Vice is all… Read more »

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Exile
8 months ago

I’ll take a wild guess and say that the difference between a culture that is permeated with gamblers vs. one that isn’t – is whether or not it’s descended from a warrior culture.

Japan definitely has a historical warrior culture.

The US at least – as do a number of other Western nations – also have had prominent warrior cultures.

The Jews definitely don’t have one, although they’ve tried to cast themselves as having one with all the propaganda about how well the Israeli military has done.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Exile
8 months ago

I once worked for a very smart Jew (president of my company) who was convinced that doubling your bet every time you lose in blackjack, until you finally win and recoup your losses, was a winning formula. I patiently explained that if you have a small disadvantage in each individual bet, there is no way of rearranging the pieces to create a winning formula. You eventually will lose 10-15 times in a row and bankrupt your savings. Never could convince him.

Felix_Krull
Member
Reply to  DLS
8 months ago

You cannot get gamblers to understand math, their life depends on not understanding it. In Europe, there are two kinds of roulette tables, French and American. Apart from the layout of the board itself, the only difference is that the American roulette has two zeros, the French only one. You’d think even a grade school student could figure that one out but the American tables are always chock-full, the French ones only half occupied.

UFO
UFO
Reply to  JR Wirth
8 months ago

Haha, in this respect I get where the Asians are coming from. I don’t get excited from drugs, or alcohol, but when I went to a casino the first time it took me 12 hours to come down from the high. Something about gambling is a huge rush.

Of course, instead of spending all my money there I just limit casino visits to maybe once a year.

It might be an IQ thing. Something about probability and chance just excites me.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  UFO
8 months ago

If every hand you play is at a small disadvantage, there is no probability and no chance. Play more than 1000 hands and you will lose every time. I always say that if you go to a casino and win your first play, quit forever and never go back. You will spend the rest of your life ahead of the house.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  DLS
8 months ago

First trip to Las Vegas. My mother-in-law gave me a role of quarters and said play them for me. Wife and I did, at the airport going home. Ran the roll through the slot machine once. Wife wanted to run the “receipts” through again, I said forget it. Gave the mother-in-law $15 or something. She said, why didn’t you put back the winnings and play again.

Is there any doubt why Los Vegas is so profitable? 😉

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  JR Wirth
8 months ago

Sigh. One more way in which I am apparently shit at being Asian. Never saw the appeal of casino gambling, and I hate the noise and crowdedness of casinos. But I know people who love it. If I have to go to Las Vegas I know that certain persons are going to ask if I gambled, how’d I do, etc, but it’s hardly worth getting sucked into a discussion about the economics of casino gambling. My sooper-sekrit-skwirl clever plan is to find a low-denomination slot machine and play one coin. Then I just tell people that “I made a budget… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Mike_C
8 months ago

Went to a craps table once, looked at all the choices in front of me, realized the rough probabilities of a bunch of them, and asked myself, “what the hell am I doing here?”. That was the end of that. I’m fun at parties/sarc.

SidVic
SidVic
Member
8 months ago

Concerning Israel, i think it is early to conclude that it will not punch above its weight as the Jewish diaspora has tended to do. Although it does represent a test for the Jews. You’ve got your country; now run it heeb. I’m in a hard science so I’m in the epicenter of the multiculturalism in that i’ve worked closely with mostly non-whites. We definitely are skimming the cream of india and asia. I’ve often found myself wondering why the white nations dominated the advancements leading to the modern age. Very unsure, but i think a certain ballsy hardheadedness exist… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  SidVic
8 months ago

It is about risk-taking in the West, IMO. We try things, and most of them fail, often taking their practitioners down with them, but we keep on trying things. In the East, to fail is shameful, so experimentation doesn’t happen.

vmax71
Reply to  SidVic
8 months ago

I am an educated Indian. I am not sensitive but in complete agreement (LOL) about Indians lack of innovation. We don’t have the “risky balls” gene….And we don’t really compete well….as you can tell by the number of Olympic medals India has won…..

John Smith
John Smith
Member
8 months ago

Markets will dictate the outcome as they always do. The chinks and Jews are going to manifest themselves as predators and competitors in the market. As our esteemed blog host notes, the chinks will steal anything that isn’t nailed down. You can’t trust a jew farther than you can throw him. You can’t do business with people like that – you either have to contain them or eliminate them from the market place. The fact is they will likely eliminate themselves. Here in Canada the Chinese have had unfettered access to our markets and other than their paid lickspittles in… Read more »

MossHammer
Member
Reply to  John Smith
8 months ago

JS. “I hate to say it but we have some culling and purging to do – especially among ourselves.”

How much of the coming reset will purge bad players organically? I spend little time thinking of the new day, but your post made me realize I’m counting on a considerable number of zombies eating each other.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  John Smith
8 months ago

“Vox Day is supposedly some intellectual savant”

Who declared him an intellectual savant? He doesn’t seem that smart to me.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Hun
8 months ago

Voted up with great enthusiasm

Member
8 months ago

This is actually the one silver lining in the mass of grey clouds hanging over the Occident. If we lose, they will not inherit our societies and all the things in it that make life so good. As we are so fond of saying… there is no magic dirt. They will (and are) bring (ing) their habits, customs, attitudes and ways of doing things with them. The Arabs and Africans will never inherit Europe, they will inherit a very cold Africa and Arabia. If the Africans were capable of maintaining our technology even with us making parts available, they would… Read more »

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Tars_Tarkusz
8 months ago

True, but their sheer numbers will make democracy a liability as they replace our rulers with vodoo witch doctors.

Dennis
Dennis
8 months ago

It’ll take a while. in 2017, 55% of college enrollees were white, 19% were Hispanic, 15% were black and 8% were Asian. That year 62% of white students graduated, 46% of Hispanics, 38% of blacks and 63% of Asians. If that holds, and it has for awhile, white graduation numbers will be substantially higher than the other categories combined.

Of course if they all continue to be taught crap and America-hate, then statistics are moot.

vmax71
8 months ago

You could make a similar argument for India. All my friends ask how as a Hindu of Indian ethnicity, I remain so “conservative?” After I discern their definition of conservative (!lol) , My response always: I would much MUCH rather live as a minority in a Christian run USA than a majority in India. My parents made sure I learned and valued pretty much all American values/traditions/rituals and I wold not have it any other way. Our Christmas lights growing up were always among the best on the block! I always say that I can be a Hindu much more… Read more »

Dirtnapninja
Dirtnapninja
8 months ago

Its not the east asians you should be worried about, but the south asians.

Carl B.
Carl B.
Reply to  Dirtnapninja
8 months ago

And yet it is Jews who are impeaching the US President today.

Dr. Dre
Dr. Dre
Reply to  Carl B.
8 months ago

Michael Savage asked the question last night: Is anti-Semitism growing in the US today as a result of all the investigations/hearings etc run by a bunch of Jews? (pretty much as he termed it) He doesn’t think this will end well for any one. I have been thinking like this myself, having grown up, gone to school, college, many Jewish friends and associates thru the years. Have seen good/bad/smart/dense/rich and not rich. I have observed since 2016 Election of Trump that a certain shrillness has set in with media personalities like Savage, Mark Levin, Alan Dershowitz and others who can… Read more »

Carl B.
Carl B.
Reply to  Dr. Dre
8 months ago

The Democrat Party is the party of Blacks, Browns, single women, homosexuals, and Jews. It’s pretty clear which of those factions runs the party.

UFO
UFO
Reply to  Dr. Dre
8 months ago

It seems that they just can’t help themselves. A smart person would put a couple gentiles on stage, with the Jews telling them what to say.

Instead, it’s all Jews all the time blasting IMPEACH ORANG MAN.

UFO
UFO
Reply to  Dirtnapninja
8 months ago

Yes. Correct. China has a very low fertility rate. It is one of the most rapidly aging societies in the world. Mark my words, by 2040, Chinese immigrants will be relatively rare. Chinese people are increasingly not so opposed to staying in China – they try here in the West; if they can’t make a go of it they go home. They also find it uncomfortable here, unless they are in homogeneous Chinese communities. Ironically, Trump’s trade war is probably bad for Chinese immigration as it impoverishes China. South Asians, especially Indians, are corrupt and nepotistic in ways that white… Read more »

Hun
Hun
Reply to  UFO
8 months ago

Canadian lefties love the Indian leader of the New Democratic Party. He is so colorful and quirky that just looking at him is worth many SJW points.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Hun
8 months ago

Egads. A potential Ireland In The North.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
8 months ago

“Eventually, they fling open the gates to a conqueror in order to have a natural landing spot. Israel is a land of advisers and critics, perpetually haggling with one another until some outsider ends the bickering.” The answer is that Jews/EAs are low in agreeableness and high in neuroticism. I’ve lived in a Jewish neighbor (interestingly, there were lots of Chinese people there too), and they were some of the rudest and least situationally aware people I’ve ever met. Once, while I was walking through my neighboryahood, I said hello to a passing Oriental woman. She literally turned her