Man’s Greatest Invention

The great British biologist J.B.S Haldane said that fanaticism was one of mankind’s greatest inventions. By “fanaticism” he meant the burning desire to save mankind from some imagined evil. The fanatic is not just trying to help his fellow man. He feels as if it is his purpose, his reason to exists. Therefore, he will die in his effort to reach his goal, as to give up on his quest or accept defeat would be no different than denying the reason for his existence. To die trying fulfills his purpose.

Haldane credited this to monotheism. If there is one god, then no people could be favored by one god over another. All men were the creation of one god and therefore of equal importance. This leads to the great battle to decide who has the correct understanding of God’s desire for mankind. The only way to know this is to do whatever is necessary in order to bring your understanding of god’s will into being. Fanaticism therefore was the great molder of human history for the last 5,000 years.

Of course, Haldane was a fanatic himself. He was a foaming at the mouth atheist, as they tend to be, so blaming the belief in God, especially Christianity, was a natural instinct for him. A central tenet of atheism is that if man drops the superstition about invisible men in the sky, they will stop trying to impose their beliefs on one another and thus a new post-God era can begin. Mankind will be driven by reason and the underlying facts of natural reality. Logic will be the religion of man.

This is nonsense, of course, but Haldane was not wrong about fanaticism. It is a great mover of history. Where he got things wrong was in thinking monotheism was the root of human desire to save mankind. Instead it was egalitarianism, the idea that all men are naturally equal and therefore naturally worthy. This did not require the belief in one god, as we see today with our humanistic fanatics. The modern intellectual is as indifferent to God as he is committed to belief that all men are equal.

An example of this comes from the legacy site National Review. This piece argues that the coronavirus is the great leveler. Mother nature is reminding the world that all men are equal in her eyes. Because, in theory, rich people can get the virus and die, it proves the fundamental equality of mankind. Time will tell on that score, but most likely the smart and rich will do better in this than the poor and stupid. That’s because Mother Nature does not distribute her gifts equally.

Of course, if this virus turns out to be the scourge of the poor or the great killer of the stupid, the egalitarians will have an answer for that as well. As the author of the piece says, it will be due to the rich and smart taking precautions to insulate themselves from the virus. For the egalitarian fanatic, there is always some behavioral reason to explain why one group does better than another. The equality of man is the beginning and the end, the alpha and omega, of their thinking.

A great driver of history is the belief that if only everyone would do things the way they should do them, then the human condition can be overcome. It is not the only driver, for sure, as not everyone has bought into egalitarianism. In fact, egalitarianism was, for the longest time, an exclusive belief. The tribe, nation or people knew they were equal before god, but those other people, well, not so much. Conquering them and taking their stuff was fine, as it was good for your people.

In recent years, this thirst for universal equality has turned into a weird cargo cult, where simply making people appear equal will cause universal equality to spring forth. You see a bit of that in the National Review post. The author seems to be hoping the virus is a great plague that hits the elites as hard as everyone. In the midst of the suffering, so the thinking goes, everyone will suddenly embrace the equality of man. Only a fanatic can believe that he not so subtly hopes for a plague.

In fact, disaster, man-made or natural, is proof that egalitarianism is rooted in our biology, or at least in the biology of some. The great destruction of man’s creation, the bodies stacked upon one another, a scene seen in every age by every generation, has not purged this instinct from our being. There’s no reasoning with a fanatic and there is not reasoning with an egalitarian. They are immune to reality. They see only that which confirms their belief that all men are created equal.

It is why, by the way, Africa is getting a good leaving alone in the pandemic chatter. They were all revved up a month ago to display their sorrow for the poor Africans, who would surely suffer the worst from this virus. This has not happened, so the egalitarians are busy editing on-line maps to remove the whole continent from our vision. Any discussion of why some groups have done better or worse is prohibited, even by the human bio-diversity crowd. Egalitarianism is powerful magic.

It is a good reminder that whatever comes out of the other side of this pandemic, the egalitarian will still be with us. No amount of reality can dissuade him. If he can see a man in a sundress as just another one of the gals, not even the complete failure of the system built on the dream of equality will dissuade him. He will be right back at it, picking through the rubble for signs that all men are equal. Egalitarianism is man’s greatest invention, a doomsday device we cannot disarm.


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Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
4 years ago

It should be noted that the egalitarianism of modern Christianity is not historical. It was well understood there would be a hierarchy, even in Heaven(see Dante), and while the rich were called to give to the poor, nowhere did it say everyone had rights to equal amounts of goods, or that people should treat outsiders equally (see Jesus and the Samaritan woman and his comment about dogs). This makes sense, as Jesus was not stupid, and neither was the Church about the ramifications of such thinking. Read Thomas Paine’s Age of Reason, who was essentially the Hitchens of his time,… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Chet Rollins
4 years ago

Paine the Hitchens of his time! I love it! 🙂 May I put in a plug for Deism? This is the belief in a God that created and sustains everything but does not intervene in the affairs of Man in any way. This was an evolution in the Enlightenment’s changing thought of religion. For all practical purposes it was equal to atheism. This is “God the Utterly Indifferent” from (IIRC) Heinlein’s “Stranger in a Strange Land”.

The Babe
The Babe
4 years ago

he will die in his effort to reach his goal

It seems like more and more in the modern world he’s willing to transfer the glorious honor of dying to you.

T. Morris
T. Morris
Reply to  The Babe
4 years ago

Quite. That is why he has changed that line from “Battle Hymn” originally declaring “let us die to make men free,” to “let us live to make men free.”

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  T. Morris
4 years ago

Yep, and one of the reasons I no longer attend services.

Saml Adams
Saml Adams
Reply to  T. Morris
4 years ago

And one entire verse has been omitted for years…
“I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnished rows of steel. As you deal with My contemners, so with you my Grace shall deal. Let the hero born of woman crush the serpent with his heel”

T. Morris
T. Morris
Reply to  Saml Adams
4 years ago
Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Saml Adams
4 years ago

I wasn’t aware of that one being omitted (but my lack of awareness means little). But for years I wasn’t even aware there was a 6th verse:

He is coming like the glory of the morning on the wave,
He is Wisdom to the mighty, He is Succour to the brave,
So the world shall be His footstool, and the soul of Time His slave,

No doubt that unspeakable S-word. Well, unspeakable unless it’s used to beat us over the head with our collective guilt.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
4 years ago

Unfortunately that weird cargo cult of universal equality is now firmly entrenched as our ruling principle. And since it means a denial of racial differences, when blacks under-perform relative to whites, it means whites will exhaust wealth and energy in a hopeless and never-ending effort to bring blacks up to par with whites. It also means the continuing promotion of intermarriage and the continuing dispossession of whites from our home. It never ends, pandemic or not.

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  Wolf Barney
4 years ago

Since the leftists made their #1 man, a guy that put into the public record, ““It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is”…. perhaps they can find room to open the term “men” to definition.

As in, “all men are created equal” ….

Member
4 years ago

A significant chunk of atheists are at least as fanatical and intractable as a snake-handlin’, King James Bible totin’ Kentucky Primitive Baptist. They are somewhere in the same category as runners and vegans with assuming everyone wants to know they are atheists and why. Spoiler: we don’t care.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Member
Reply to  Arthur_Sido
4 years ago

Runners…? Seriously? Cyclists, I get because I am one and they can be douches, but…runners? Legit curious – what do they do that’s so obnoxious?

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Forever Templar
4 years ago

Sean, are “26.2” and “13.1” stickers common in Japan?

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  KGB
4 years ago

I don’t have any (non-mandatory) stickers on my car, but I’ve been very tempted to get one that says “2.62” — note the decimal place location.

That said, in the annals of athletic douchebaggery, surely CrossFitters rank above runners. And cyclists. (I was going to say that roadie douchebaggery > off-road douchebaggery, but thinking back on my road and my dirt days, the total shitheadedness was conserved across branches of cycling, it just took different forms. And don’t get me started on the ‘cross purists….)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyil4IGAvVs

Member
Reply to  Mike_C
4 years ago

Here is Oregon there are only classes of people allowed to ride bikes. One is hobos and people who’ve lost their licence for repeated DUIs. You can usually tell these people by their lack of a helmet. The other is people showing just how devout they are in the climate change religion. If you work with these people they will make sure to let you know about just how much world-saving they do everyday weaving in and out of traffic. Some of them help you out if you’re a little slow by wearing their ultra-tight cycling clothes to work and… Read more »

Balkan Fanatic
Balkan Fanatic
Reply to  Arthur_Sido
4 years ago

In Soviet block during communism although the church and Christian religion were suppressed/marginalized they were not prosecuted to the point of being burned for their heresy
On the other hand no other dogma was tolerated In Christian domains
(Not even other Christian sects)
Look what happened to Huguenots in France as an example of fanaticism par excellence

tonaludatus
tonaludatus
Reply to  Balkan Fanatic
4 years ago

Heresy? From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Church “The sixth sector of the OGPU, led by Yevgeny Tuchkov, began aggressively arresting and executing bishops, priests, and devout worshippers, such as Metropolitan Veniamin in Petrograd in 1922 for refusing to accede to the demand to hand in church valuables (including sacred relics). In the time between 1927 and 1940, the number of Orthodox Churches in the Russian Republic fell from 29,584 to less than 500. Between 1917 and 1935, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested. Of these, 95,000 were put to death. Many thousands of victims of persecution became recognized in a special canon of saints known… Read more »

tristan
tristan
Reply to  tonaludatus
4 years ago

And we can add the French revolution to that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dechristianisation_of_France_during_the_French_Revolution

“By the end of the decade, approximately thirty thousand priests had been forced to leave France, and several hundred who did not leave were executed.[26] Most French parishes were left without the services of a priest and deprived of the sacraments. Any non-juring priest faced the guillotine or deportation to French Guiana.[1] By Easter 1794, few of France’s forty thousand churches remained open; many had been closed, sold, destroyed, or converted to other use

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Balkan Fanatic
4 years ago

And how did Christians fare in Mao’s atheistic China? And remember, quantity has a quality of its own.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Balkan Fanatic
4 years ago

Not true. Monasteries were closed, many churches were demolished and many priests jailed or to sent to prison camps or forced labor. Only later have the commies realized that keeping a pacified church around helps with pacifying a segment of the populace too.

Sperg Adjacent
Sperg Adjacent
4 years ago

A number of prominent thinkers have pointed out the danger of people who want to “help” you, because they will arrogate to themselves infinite power in their self-righteousness.

But I’ve always thought that they had the psychological causality backwards: namely, that the desire for infinite power comes first, and that the infinite number of crusades they cook up are essentially rationalizations after the fact.

Of course egalitarianism is the ultimate crusade to the power-hungry, as it will require infinite power to “correct” the infinite “violations” of inequality in nature.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Sperg Adjacent
4 years ago

Indeed. Any attempt to make things more equal on principle is going to end with a far less equal society.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Chet Rollins
4 years ago

And a far poorer one…

Sperg Adjacent
Sperg Adjacent
Reply to  Sperg Adjacent
4 years ago

I had in mind some great quotes that I can’t track down by other guys, but Daniels/Dalrymple has a pretty sharp one:

“Committing evil for goodness’ sake satisfies the inner sadist and the inner moralist at the same time.”

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Sperg Adjacent
4 years ago

Damn, but that’s good.
Goes a long way to explain Barbara Lerner Spectre and her ilk. (Not all spectres are like that)

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Sperg Adjacent
4 years ago

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
~ C. S. Lewis

Sperg Adjacent
Sperg Adjacent
Reply to  DLS
4 years ago

Yeah, that’s one I was looking for, LOL.

Polynikes
Polynikes
4 years ago

I’ve always been partial to this quote from TS Eliot which touches upon the same theme: “Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don’t mean to do harm; but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves.” Yes, the elites were scared, which ramped this way up. But also this was the “academic’s” and government “expert’s” time to shine. They never get to do much meaningful in… Read more »

tristan
tristan
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

It seems to me that is why Globohomo has so few defectors in the upper ranks. No matter the destruction visited upon the west they generally believe that for your own good you must be cleansed and if it means grinding you, your familly, your culture and your history into the ground, they are prepared to make that sacrifice for you. I also wonder if this is also not some short circuit in the erotic zone of the brain as beyond a certain point the virtue signalling seems to have a distinct public orgiastic aspect to it. Maybe its some… Read more »

Marko
Marko
Reply to  tristan
4 years ago

Rand and her fanatics are giving Marx a run for his money

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  tristan
4 years ago

Tristan, the present system has a lot of nested, mutually-supporting and/or redundant feedback loops, silver or lead – rewards & punishments.

Multiple whistle-blowers from Faceberg’s Inner Party have already let the catwoman-suit out of the bag regarding Big Tech’s exploitation of our pleasure-tingle-wiring.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/09/facebook-sean-parker-vulnerability-brain-psychology

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/former-facebook-exec-wont-let-own-kids-use-social-media-says-its-destroying-how-society-works

tristan
tristan
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

Working in that area I am well aware that nearly all social media is (designed?) oriented towards gamification and reward dependency (I know this even as I am typing this on here). The large companies spend a ton on this stuff. I was sort of thinking that as this sort of fanatic behavior always seems to have been with us (far back to the Essenes and before and showing up in waves though history) maybe its a genetic trait that becomes dominant in a population, rises up causes a mass conflict and then those people are killed off and it… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  tristan
4 years ago

There’s a lot of interesting genuine psychology to examine in whether asceticism and celibacy in particular is really “channeled” or “re-directed” into fanaticism. So much of the existing research is agenda-driven (Wilhelm Reich-style “free-love = utopia” as well simply for Zuck’s shekels).

I’d love to see more research done in good faith, particularly in the de-programming/recovery aspect – getting guys & gals who are socially, sexually and psychologically dysfunctional due to porn or “online addiction” back on track, for instance.

There’s some smoke but how much fire, and what are the devilish details?

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  tristan
4 years ago

tristan;
Re globohomo defection: There’s also the kompromat to keep them in line. What *did* happen to all of Epstein’s safe’s contents_?

And, no, he didn’t kill himself over the loss. Other stuff_? Possibly, IDK.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Yes. This. Even after the imaginary sex crimes convictions of the 1980’s and ’90’s were overturned (especially after the coerced children recanted their own earlier testimonies), the leaders and purveyors of the manias (e.g. police investigator Robert Perez in Wenatchee, Washington) said “they’d do it all again” when offered chances to recent.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Z-“ To question the cause is to question their very existence.“

Which means?
Its like the Taliban; don’t look at them, they’ll kill you.

Which means; better be prepared to do just that, or run away.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Zman said, “Fanatics are defined by their fanaticism. To question the cause is to question their very existence.” I wonder if this would have application to black people who fervently believe that all their problems are caused by white people and as a result intensely hate white people, feeling it’s with justification.

Bill_Mullins
Member
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Something MOST people do not understand about Judaism or Christianity is that the Creator NEVER required/requires blind obedience. I cannot remember the exact book, chapter and verse but the Jews were commanded to test whether or not what a prophet predicted came to pass. If it did then the prophet’s message was from the Creator. If not then the prophet spoke presumptively and was a false prophet. In the New Testament, Christians were command to look carefully at what was told them by someone claiming to have a revelation from the Creator to see if it was consistent with what… Read more »

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Polynikes
4 years ago

My residual paleo conservatism / libertarianism kicks into high alert whenever somebody from government wants to help me. They can help me by leaving me alone.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
4 years ago

I’ve heard the theory that monotheism gave rise to fanaticism but didn’t know it was Haldane’s. I am no defender of monotheism, I can easily see why it would lead to fanaticism. But I suspect it might be the other way around; ppl did not become fanatics b/c they invented monotheism, they came upon monotheism b/c they wanted to be fanatic about their god. Fanaticism (probably, who really knows this stuff??) comes from an inner void and the need to fill that up. As Hoffer said, if a man’s business is worth minding, he will mind his own business. Fanatics… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
4 years ago

ppl did not become fanatics b/c they invented monotheism, they came upon monotheism b/c they wanted to be fanatic about their god.

Just so: religion is downstream from culture.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 years ago

I think they have extensive feedback loops between them that make causality (‘which is downstream from which’) very difficult to untangle. Both are upstream from politics though and probably downstream from HBD.

Sandmich
Sandmich
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
4 years ago

A humanities buddy called religion a “mirror”, which works on many levels that I won’t bother to expound upon.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
4 years ago

probably downstream from HBD.

Yes. That’s why the profoundly atheist Sweden resembles Minnesota.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 years ago

Now that’s an insight I had not been aware of. Thanks.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Compsci
4 years ago

Profound indeed. Exquisite.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 years ago

(Exquisite, in regards to the ‘mirror’. Just so.)

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 years ago

Felix;
“That’s why *now* profoundly atheist Sweden resembles *now profoundly soft Marxist* Minnesota”. FIFY (fixed it for you).

But both Sweden and Minnesota *are* profound believers in ‘magic dirt’ else they wouldn’t have let 3rd world moslems take them over. So they both are believers in the supernatural, just a different one than before: One far more destructive to their children (if they have any) than any belief in God could ever be.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Al from da Nort
4 years ago

But both Sweden and Minnesota *are* profound believers in ‘magic dirt’ else they wouldn’t have let 3rd world moslems take them over.

You’re proving my point. Their cultural mores and values are the same irrespective of whether they believe in god.

And America is built on Magic Dirt theory. Jesus didn’t exactly save you from the Hart-Celler Act, did he? In fact, Christian organisations are the main motors of the immigration-industrial complex.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 years ago

The abolitionists were mainly religious fanatics.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Epaminondas
4 years ago

The “abolitionists” were the New England (((bankers))) calling in their loans on their Mississipi Delta (((owner))) brothers.

Of course, goys did the fighting and dying.
Two birds with one stone.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 years ago

Grant’s General Orders #11, a brief moment of lucidity notwithstanding.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 years ago

Magic Dirt Theory didn’t really take root–so to speak–in the US until the mid-60s. As such, it’s a facet of Western New Leftism rather than of America qua America.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 years ago

Krull the Magnificent, they called him.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 years ago

Felix. Yes, good insight. Some of these Christian organizations are pretty good wrt to what they do. Franklin Graham’s setup for helping disaster victims puts the Fed’s to shame. However, when he collects my donation for say, hurricane relief, he then uses left over funds to help non-Americans all over the world.

Catholic charities as well, especially with their refugee resettlement, also work against my interests. At this point, my charitable donations extend little farther than local groups in town—where I can visit and see their efforts are not in conflict with my beliefs.

BTP
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 years ago

“Religion is downstream from culture,” may be the most un-empirical thing ever said.

Tarstarkusz
Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
4 years ago

A lot of atheists get the cause and effect backwards. They routinely attribute “anti-gay” sentiment to Christianity. Even if you accept atheist thinking the bible was made up by ignorant goat herders, they obviously already didn’t like gays. They ignore atheistic atrocities while attributing every atrocity ever committed by a Christian to the religion.
Atheists like to pretend that they are above all the human pettiness they ascribe to religion and that widespread atheism will lead to a secular utopia and ignore all evidence to the contrary.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Tarstarkusz
4 years ago

Which is why atheists have to go back a thousand years to the Crusades, where 1-3 million died in centuries of conflict, to get an example of religious atrocities. But they ignore Mao and Stalin, who killed between 50-100 million in the 20th century. Both were avowed atheists who banned religion from their countries, and actively persecuted Christians. Even the atheistic Chi-Coms of today, when they are not persecuting the religious, kill Falun Gong people because they want to twirl in the parks.

Tarstarkusz
Member
Reply to  DLS
4 years ago

Which they then try to blame on the Christians. The Crusades were mostly defensive in nature and were a response to Muslim atrocities and expansion into Christian areas.

They absolutely hate Christianity. Hatred of Christians and Christianity is what drives these people, not some love of reason. This is why they are always trying to ascribe all the advances of Christendom to Muslims or foreigners. Erase Christendom and we are living like the Romans did, at best. This reality just eats them up.

tristan
tristan
Reply to  Tarstarkusz
4 years ago

I never understood that gap in understanding TBH. I tried to explain to someone the other day that pretty much all of the ME and North Africa was Christian until the Islamic expansion.

Presenting facts was almost like a replay of confronting a vampire with a cross in the old Hammer films.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Tarstarkusz
4 years ago

The atheists were co-opted by those who created Islam. This is a war of smoke and mirrors.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  DLS
4 years ago

Please stop saying Communists are atheists.

The Bolshevik creators and backers of puppets Stalin and Mao were enforcing their religion, the dictate of their God- to kill and enslave the people of Christ, and all other gods.

The conquest religion of the master race must suppress all other gods, and their peoples.

Not atheist at all.
Atheists don’t care.

The greatest trick of the Devil was not that he didn’t exist, but that he was the Father of the Christ- who fought him!!

Thus, the Constantine state religion was painted with the same bad paint as the Masters.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 years ago

The force of creation is above the volcano god- above all the gods.

This is the Spirit within that the Christ, and all good men, speak for- and which speaks through them.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Tarstarkusz
4 years ago

Voltaire, no friend of religion, master of sardonic wit, had some wonderful quotes. I don’t have the exact at hand, so consider these paraphrases:
“The Koran is a book whose every page is an insult to common sense.” (Could the same be said for other holy books?)
“The Jews are the only ancient people that had to have a divine prohibition against bestiality in their holy book.”

Disimpact
Disimpact
4 years ago

Africa is probably unscathed due to demographics: only a tiny fraction of that continent’s population lives past 60: The poor and stupid will certainly be hit a lot harder in the US. (See Detroit, New York, Milwaukee, New Orleans.) solipsistic and narcissistic as they are, US coloreds are already trying to attribute their “disproportionate impact” to the usual “root causes” of racism, redlining, obesity, and so on. Little thought is given to the fact that perhaps this group is suffering disproportionately because it has never really understood the germ theory of disease. While white people largely avoid large gatherings, the… Read more »

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Disimpact
4 years ago

weather is saving them. same in south america

T. Morris
T. Morris
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Continents of History vs. Continents of Nature. There is a reason those Peacock Bass grow so big in Amazonia. …

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Disimpact
4 years ago

Well in typical egalitarian fashion, the cure will render millions of people poor and displaced, where they can intersect with all kinds of death vectors. That should help flatten the disparate impact curve. The war on poverty has really ceded ground in this war on virus. So much so that the cure for the virus is more poverty. Ignoring reality at all costs plays well with the single-mindedness of fanaticism. It also allows the solutions of the egalitarian fixers to sow the seeds of the next problem. The equality they solve for always results in more people miserable and likely… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Screwtape
4 years ago

Always in the background but overlooked is the myriad ways the civilized-developed-White (ok, Euro- and Asian-) world supports the very existence, and more so the material comforts of the real dirt people. If the brains that runs all the machinery disappears, whether due to a disease, politics or simple attrition, the machinery will run for a little while but eventually fail slowly or quickly and spectacularly. Look to any post-colonial African country or black-majority city in the USA and judge for yourself. In science fiction it is usually the savage, most animal-like people who survive. When the latest cycle completes… Read more »

tristan
tristan
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
4 years ago

Unfortunately, unlike the Melanesian savages, or the post colonial countries, millions of these people are now next door to you and if things break down they will not be wondering where the bounties went as they know where they started from.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Disimpact
4 years ago

AAs are more social than most…they dread social isolation much more than whites or Asians, who are perfectly happy on their phones or computers (or books) as opposed to cook-outs.

To put it simply, I think the disease’s trajectory can be determined by two factors: the latitude of the people and the socialness of the people. If you’re high-latitude and highly social you’re hit the hardest. Ergo, Jews in NYC, blacks in Chicago, and Chinese in Seattle had better take more precautions. Japanese in Indonesia, not so much.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Disimpact
4 years ago

I suspect testing in Africa doesn’t quite measure up to US standards…

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

US standards are shite too. But I get your point.

tristan
tristan
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

I would wager getting tested for a slightly nasty cold in Africa is the least of your worries disease wise.

joe_mama
joe_mama
Reply to  Disimpact
4 years ago

Based on first hand experience (knowing a family that has it), being overweight and diabetic makes this incredibly bad for you. Also if you’re old on top of that.

Obesity and diabetes runs rampant through the black American community. Not so much in Africa I imagine. And then if the rumors are true about Malaria medicines helping out, that would also help explain things in Africa. Though a lot remains a mystery still. Maybe weather? But then how do you explain New Orleans etc?

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Disimpact
4 years ago

“Africa is probably unscathed due to demographics”

No brain, no pain.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Disimpact
4 years ago

At its most lethal using government stats this virus is just under 3% lethal. With the myriad of other things that will kill you in Africa the high fertility rate and sketchy data from there , we’d never notice. From what I can gather this diseases does have significantly higher effects in the US and UK at least on Asians , Middle Eastern peoples Blacks and Older Whites. What is scary though is not only do we have a global depression do to histrionic overreaction to this virus , food exports have basically stopped and at the same time giant… Read more »

Chiron
Chiron
4 years ago

“Haldane credited this to monotheism. If there is one god, then no people could be favored by one god over another.”

This is not how it works, jews and our ruling class believe that only their God is real and has favored the Tribe effectively making them the ruling elite of this world

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Chiron
4 years ago

“Chosen” is the One Weird Trick that the Tribe uses to hack Christians and it still works very well. That’s a big reason why I’m skeptical of Christianity-first political dissidents. It takes a mighty re-working of the scriptures to un-Choose the Chosen, usually requiring an egaliatarian revolutionary Christ that strikes too many as the Commie version ala Liberation Theology.

TradChristians are on the horns of a dilemma unless and until they take upon themselves the responsibility of reinterpreting scripture and rejecting the dogma that’s Browning what’s left of the Church and ultimately killing it.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

Exile, my recent listening and readings of the scripture (this being Lent season), I have been doing so in light of perhaps Christianity being “owned” by the Old Testament people. That Christianity was perhaps not so much a “breaking away” or “seeing a new light” as instead a “capture”, which meshes nicely with your comment. Give those renegades some rope to hang themselves with…or maybe some nails, pieces of wood and a crown of thorns. Not to say that Christianity has not done a lot of good over the centuries for our kind and ours, but there is this weird… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Dutch
4 years ago

Dutch, one example was “The God Squad,” consisting of Rabbi Marc Gellman and Monsignor Tom Hartman.

One of my college profs, a liberal Protestant minister, proudly referred to himself as an “Ecumaniac.” He was the only Protestant in the Religious Studies department.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Dutch
4 years ago

Dutch, if I were the guy tasked with “de-Judaifying” Christianity today, I’d start by demonizing the Old Testament – nothing new there, it’s an old approach. Make it clear that Christ was a clean break and Jews killed him for it. As for the universalist rhetoric, we simply de-emphasize it and push it into the realm of far-future theological speculation (e.g. await the Second Coming for that) and/or be Talmudic with the definition of “mankind.” Lots of ways to skin that goat. It’s been done before and it can be again, but Christians have to take the first steps on… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

InB4 someone says “but Scripture clearly says…”

Leviticus isn’t equivocal about sodomites and Timothy isn’t equivocal about headship and wahmens but modern Christianity is still cucked on both.

Check out this nugget of Xrl Talmudry re: “headship”

https://www.cbeinternational.org/resources/article/priscilla-papers/historian-looks-1-timothy-211-14

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

There are Christian’s out there whom are non Catholic trads but aware that the Jews of today are not the chosen people.
There just aren’t very many of us.
The Scofield Bible project and dispensationalism has so infected protestant Christianity including guys like Pence and Pompeo that it basically is like they take a vaccine that prevents them from seeing any Jewish elite as dangerous.
The chosen people mantra is a powerful force in modern Christianity.
Not sure it’s easily defeated?
It’s being chipped away at but it’s still very powerful.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
4 years ago

OTH, most evangelicals I know believe Jews are going to hell.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

When they were slapping together the undergirdings of what was to become the Christian Church in the second and third centuries, there was a movement to weave the core teachings of Christ into the Greek Mystery religions instead of the mythology of the shitty little tribe that was stealing and claiming the cultures of actual extant groups who had had coherent cultures for the past couple of millennia.
It beggars belief that supposedly sane people believe the crap about, say, wandering around for forty years in a desert about the size of a Walmart parking lot.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

” un-Choose the Chosen”

General question, not just for Exlie.
Is this why the whole “Ashkenazi are really Khazars” thing? So people can continue to venerate the biblical Israelites while hating modern-day Jews? If so, makes little sense to me. So far as I can tell, the biblical Israelites were not at all pleasant people. Certainly not anyone you’d want to move into your neighborhood.

Exile
Exile
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Reply to  Mike_C
4 years ago

Mike I’ve seen a few variations on that play. “The Rebbe” likes to make the “biblical Temple Jews v. post-Temple Talmud Rabbinical Jews” distinction. Many if not most “based” Christian anti-Semites I’ve seen do something like that or the Kazar shuffle to separate “good” from “bad” Jews. As far as I can tell, it’s all pretty thinly-sourced at best. There’s a real-world distinction we’ve often noted here between Ashkepaths, Mizrahi and Sephardim, as well as ultra-orthodox, but it’s an internal Jewish thing. Poke your under-size nose into that dispute and they’ll lock shields and rain down oy-gevalt on you. We… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

Exile, Jesus is the new covenant, and the Jews by and large rejected Him. The Greeks and Romans (and later Germanics) assumed the mantle by accepting Him. The OT is of historical interest but null and void. Problem solved!

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Chiron
4 years ago

There has always been a lot of “egalitarianism for thee, but not for me” going around…

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  Dutch
4 years ago

Decades ago it started as equality of Opportunity. As a kid we were taught we should observe equal access to jobs and housing-Rumford Fair Housing. Yet we also saw no one wanted the fat kid on the baseball team for good reason and later we wondered why we didn’t have freedom of association, why did the neighbors have to rent to that loser and then live next to me. Equal Opportunity morphed rapidly into Equal Outcome and egalitarianism was born. It was a trope devised by my commie parents’ people to shapshift into the new state religion and quickly brought… Read more »

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  Range Front Fault
4 years ago

It’s latest incarnation is men in women’s restrooms.

Tarstarkusz
Member
4 years ago

If there is anywhere in the world where the herd needs culling, it is Africa. In our desire to ease suffering, we have used our advanced agricultural techniques to end starvation in Africa and caused a population explosion that the Africans cannot possibly support without a lot of outside help. In our desire to end suffering we just ensured a much larger amount of suffering without indefinite ongoing support.

The kvetching and oy veying about the suffering should we ever stop feeding the Africans will be deafening.

Pop_rev
Pop_rev
Reply to  Tarstarkusz
4 years ago

The Green Revolution was a catastrophe. Population growth is pretty much stagnant everywhere except Africa and the Middle East, and without the Green Revolution the combined population of these two would probably have remained in the low couple hundred millions instead of the current billions. It’s easy to criticize the Green Revolution in hindsight, though, since it was undertaken at a time when some hunger and malnutrition was still present in the first world. Throughout history, whenever a people outgrew their territory, they migrated into neighboring territory for lebensraum. The Green Revolution, combined with the disorder fomented by the “intelligence… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Pop_rev
4 years ago

Let’s not be too hard on previous generations. Remember this was in the mid-20th century, arguably the pinnacle of Western culture, if not necessarily technology: this was at least for the USA and allies, the recent triumph of the West in WWII, the clear superiority of the Western way, strong in economy and might, etc. There was so much optimism that sober people thought, for example, that other races could be made the equals of the White. Look at all the efforts in Africa to do so in their colonies. Much of this had faded by mid-century, but social movements… Read more »

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
4 years ago

Persisting into the Kissinger administration and its daft idea that it could control China once it midwived it into the 20th century.

Tarstarkusz
Member
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
4 years ago

Don’t forget the crime against what was left of American manufacturing that Bush junior committed letting them into the WTO.

The tribe had the idea that the Chinese were going to allow them into their society once they got done bleeding us dry. The Chinese have utterly rejected them.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Tarstarkusz
4 years ago

“The Chinese have utterly rejected them.”
Which is why my tinfoil hat says that IF our current unpleasantness is not solely due to Chinese sloppiness (which is probably is) then it is not a coincidence that China is broken* over this, and Iran seems to have been hit especially hard. Who benefits most from these?

*yes, broken. Like a guy stabbed in the middle of a fight, China is still flailing about, but only because the brain hasn’t yet realized how badly the body’s been hurt.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
4 years ago

You think the West has triumphed in WWII???

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Hun
4 years ago

That’s an interesting philosophical question now, innit? If big man Obongo subdues his opponents and thus gets first choice of the bushmeat and pombe*, who is the real winner? The lordly Obongo, or his tapeworm? Hmmmm.

*pombe – millet beer, as consumed in large swathes of SS Africa. The Wiki page on pombe has a photo of an African man in presumably traditional garb drinking his pombe through a straw. Fine, but for some reason Wiki selected a photo that features a little blonde girl (wearing a string of pearls, yet) in it.

tristan
tristan
Reply to  Tarstarkusz
4 years ago

The thing that brought that home for me was the quote to the effect that Africa was a continent with 100m people that can’t feed itself and after all the aid from the west is now a continent of 1.5 billion that can’t feed itself.

If you look at the population projections even earlier this century it was essentially flat from the 12th century until colonialism and then accelerated away due to foreign aid intenvention after that era ended.

King Tut
King Tut
Reply to  Tarstarkusz
4 years ago

I dearly wish we could divest ourselves of the responsibility to feed and clothe our African wards but, since they will never grow up, I wager that our burden will not be lifted any time soon. It looked for a while as if the white man’s burden was going to be assumed by the yellow man but I doubt they feel any sense of obligation in this regard. What’s Mandarin for “are there no workhouses?”. As long as the Ghost of Colonialism Past continues to rattle its chains around our salons, Tiny Tunde will get a turkey to eat at… Read more »

bilejones
Member
Reply to  King Tut
4 years ago

“It looked for a while as if the white man’s burden was going to be assumed by the yellow man but I doubt they feel any sense of obligation in this regard.”

It’s why the sudden resurgence of reparations and Antisemitism bullshit in the US,
It’s dawning on the parasites that the Hispanics in the US don’t give a shit about the Blacks and Jews and globally nor do the Han Chinese.
Gotta milk honkey while he’s still around.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  bilejones
4 years ago

Agreed.

Trust me, so far as the Chinese are concerned about MENA, sub-Saharan Africa, and Xinjiang, it’s “Sha Hui-ze, sha hou-ze” (=kill the Muslims, kill the monkeys*). And while there is some respect for Jews being “a scholarly people of great antiquity” (because the Chinese view themselves as a scholarly people of great antiquity), Holocaustianity leaves the Chinaman profoundly unmoved.

*The phrase is alliterative in both Mandarin and English. Bilingual skald-ery!

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  King Tut
4 years ago

What burden? Set them free!

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Here is the McHungus Theory of Fanaticism. The human brain responds to intensity, far more so than sustained elevated rates of feeling. In fact, under latter conditions, the ability to sense intense feelings is chemically dialed back. Hence diminishing returns for addicts. Now look at lab monkeys hitting the bar that (sometimes) dispenses cocaine into their brains 10k, 30k (somewhere in there) between hits. If given unlimited cocaine, they stop drinking water and eating. A fanatic is a junkie, always chasing that initial ecstatic moment (that made them a fanatic). Hence the increased violence as time goes on, and purity… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Alternatively, not ecstasy but pain. Chasing the relief from pain the first hit gave, or pain not dealt with festering. Pain shrinks consciousness. Fanatics are wretched souls.

One of Many Georges
One of Many Georges
4 years ago

Getting egalitarianism classified as a mental disorder, and starting to pack people off to mental hospitals for it, would be the ultimate counter-Semitic move.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  One of Many Georges
4 years ago

Careful what you wish for. Religious belief was considered a mental illness in Soviet Union (good that they respected citizen’s rights and all…) 😀 and has come close to being defined so here in Der West but only when it’s a “disorder” of course.

Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
4 years ago

I still maintain that the final cause of our present madness is increased social neuroticism, which I define as fear of potential or hypothetical threats rather those evident or imminent. A virus is tailor-made (heh) to exploit neuroses. In a different age, it would have been “evil spirits”. Neurotics have always been with us, but we have not always given them such attention or influence. Only in the last century, cohencident with the tenure of the 19th Amendment, has our public policy given credence to what we would have once dismissed as literal hysteria. It’s Woody Allen’s world. We are… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
4 years ago

Women’s suffrage was our biggest single misstep and a huge reason why it’s likely impossible to reform Western democracies under their existing systems. Once you hand someone power, they don’t give it back unless you make it worth their while. The ancients rarely left women socially powerless. They had their own spheres of influence, expertise and power, but like our physical nature, those roles were dimorphic, not a partnership of alleged equals, certainly not a “competition.” We’ll need to hold out some carrots as well as sticks for wahmens to buy into Our Thing in the necessary numbers to keep… Read more »

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

I used to believe that men’s historical leadership role was due to physical strength, and became obsolete when strength became a commodity, and intelligence became the new strength. Now I wonder, though, if all those millennia in power gave men a biological leadership advantage that women (on average) do not possess.

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  DLS
4 years ago

Women are biologically programmed to be neurotic so as to be hep to threats to their young and keep them alive. Perhaps fifty thousand years of not raising children might begin to chip away at that. Until then, you men need to take control back and keep it.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
4 years ago

Woody Allen, neuroticism, gynocracy… you’re onto it.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
4 years ago

However this pandemic shakes out, the egalitarians aren’t going away. And they will continue to preach equality for all, except for Whitey, who will continue to be demonized and demoralized, maybe more than ever.

TomA
TomA
4 years ago

I don’t understand the desire to expose yourself to narratives like that found in the National Review. It’s like smearing feces in your eyes. Why on Earth would anyone do such a thing? If you really want to be altruistic in service to others, then by all means, please counsel them that smearing feces in your eyes is a very bad thing that often leads to serious disease, and of course, blurry vision.

Sandmich
Sandmich
Reply to  TomA
4 years ago

He’s taking one for the team.

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  TomA
4 years ago

National Review still has significant influence with Congressional and establishment Republicans. In the 2012 Presidential cycle, several candidates met with their editorial board in person, I think the number was smaller in 2016, but a few of them did then as well. They are fading, I think rather quickly now. It wouldn’t surprise me if they were no longer publishing by Election Day 2024.

tristan
tristan
Reply to  Barnard
4 years ago

I read that at first as “. In the 2012 Presidential cycle, several candidates met with their editorial board in prison”

The weird thing is it did not seem that jarring until I was further on in the sentence.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Barnard
4 years ago

I suspect they survive with funding from deep pockets within Conservative, Inc., which needs an intellectual support structure for libertarianism.

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  DLS
4 years ago

Probably still getting CIA money.

Bill
Bill
4 years ago

While many atheists do indeed subscribe to the new PC religion of egalitarianism, it doesn’t have to be that way.

Many of us who reject iron-age myths, look instead to science, as the best means of understanding who we are as human beings, and how we came to be that way.

And science reveals egalitarianism to be every bit as fallacious as religion.
.

ExNativeSon
ExNativeSon
Reply to  Bill
4 years ago

Bill, unfortunately it takes humans to perform science. And the current priesthood that rules over what passes for reality today is not interested in data that contradicts their baseline premise of egalitarianism.

Or as they say, “feelings don’t cate about your facts” when they march you out of the temple naked and unemployed.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Bill
4 years ago

Science reveals what we don’t know. 10 questions arise in answering 1.

james wilson
james wilson
Member
Reply to  Bill
4 years ago

Science reveals the scientist far more often than it reveals it’s subject, unfortunately, and increasingly. Belief in science is a religious cult disquised as a belief in science. Like the cult of Darwin, they grasp their prayer beads and cast incantations at unbelievers, especially the scientific ones. Science advances against scientist–as the man said–one death at a time.

ExNativeSon
ExNativeSon
Reply to  james wilson
4 years ago

James, the last sentence in your post reminds of one of my favorite books back in my first go around in academia, “The Structure of Scientific Revolutions.” Highly recommended for those who haven’t read it.

https://www.amazon.com/Structure-Scientific-Revolutions-50th-Anniversary/dp/0226458121

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Bill
4 years ago

I agree with your last sentence, but science will never provide insight on who we are as human beings. We are ghosts in machines. Science can rudimentarily explain the physics of the machine. Understanding the ghost can only come through faith.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  DLS
4 years ago

The material can’t grasp the immaterial.

tristan
tristan
4 years ago

May be the first para should be

Therefore, you will die in his effort to reach his goal, as to give up on his quest or accept defeat would be no different than denying the reason for his existence.

Exile
Exile
Member
4 years ago

“In fact, disaster, man-made or natural, is proof that egalitarianism is rooted in our biology, or at least in the biology of some.” In “Righteous Mind,” Haidt discusses this in the context of how & why our rational faculties developed – as tools of persuasion and rhetoric to spur group action and organization, not to “find truth.” The Dunbar-size bands of early man were hierarchical law-of-the-jungle pecking orders, with the baddest dudes usually on top. However, there were times when competing sub-groups would arise to overthrow Chief Grug the Feckless, Overly-Cruel or Luckless. The “betas” of the current order would… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

So, as a righteously-riotous prole, with Pauline and Miseian sensibilities, am I to consider a paycheck protection SBA loan for my business (4 employees) to be my colonial stipend?

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Libertymike
4 years ago

It’s not a stipend when you have to pay it back – with interest, no less. What’s the rate on those loans?

tristan
tristan
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

Depends on whether you can show your vaccine passport and that of all your employees comrade.

Member
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

I checked with 2 banks and they have no information.

The SBA has a simple 2 page form the upshot of which suggests that as long as the applicant has not defaulted on an SBA loan and none of the owners of the company are felons, a loan will be made.

John Smith
John Smith
Member
4 years ago

Your atheist zealot is, of course, way out there where the buses don’t run. And you are a step behind as are the folks at the NRO. In the beginning there was God. We lived and died at His whims and word – if you won a battle, it was because God favoured you. If you lost, it was because He was punishing you. If you had a plague, it was because you had sinned. There was God’s Truth and nothing else. That put is in trouble with guys like Galileo and Capernicus who kicked off The Age Of Reason.… Read more »

Balkan Fanatic
Balkan Fanatic
Reply to  John Smith
4 years ago

If by God you mean Christian God (which I assume you do) before him were these things called Greece and Rome which incidentally happen to the pinnacles of our civilization The problem of The age of Reason is that great majority of men and the totality of women are neither reasonable nor rational It was Maistre who developed this idea most eloquently Pope, King and Executioner that was his holy trinity, the best humanity could hope for Heavily influenced by the carnage of French revolution, he failed to see the absence of the wholly trinity in Greece and Rome both… Read more »

John Smith
John Smith
Member
Reply to  Balkan Fanatic
4 years ago

I think you’ll find that most atheists have never even read a bible, much less studied it. I can understand and forgive those that struggle with classical Christian mythology because to be honest, I do too. Most militant atheists that I have seen are rebelling against the hypocrisy, the grift, and the carpet baggers that use and abuse the faith to their own ends. It amuses me that those exact same grifters and psychotic carpet baggers today pose as scientists. They’re essentially doing to science what their ancestors did to the church – undermining it and discrediting it. I look… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  John Smith
4 years ago

John Smith, I didn’t find faith until I was tested, either. I wonder if that isn’t the whole point of modernity, with its baubles and conveniences— to keep people from being tested, because once you find faith, all of this looks ridiculous.

Idk, maybe that’s a teenage thought Mr. STEM didn’t have until his 30s

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
Reply to  Balkan Fanatic
4 years ago

Are you really so sure of the canard that everything stopped for 1000 years until the Renaissance? That the Greeks and Romans were advanced societies but the Catholic Church came along and burnt the books, etc? You realize there were several Reformations and Renaissance’s starting in 11th century at the latest? That there was no “science” as we know it under the Greeks and Romans? That the entire methodology evolved from philosophy to natural theology to naturalism starting about the 12th century and took centuries to evolve? Not to mention to call the Royal Academy “Protestant” is to miss that… Read more »

abelard Lindsey
abelard Lindsey
4 years ago

Or the fit. Its possible, even quite likely, that physical fitness (both bodybuilding and aerobic) may be more a determinant of survivability than either being wealthy or intelligent (in the absence of being smart enough to do life-long fitness). Its likely that obesity and just being generally out of shape is the single biggest risk factor for COVID-19?

What are the egalitarians going to do about that? Is there really anything they could do about it, other than shout and scream like they do about everything else?

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  abelard Lindsey
4 years ago

a person’s level of fitness directly correlates with their expected mortality. even just having a strong grip indicates improved mortality rates.

abelard Lindsey
abelard Lindsey
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Precisely. What do the egalitarians have to say about that?

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  abelard Lindsey
4 years ago

ask Harrison Bergeron 🙂

Exile
Exile
Member
4 years ago

SoCal MLK Appreciation Weekend H8’ers – site is up for beta, registration only. I’ll post the URL here publicly after we test-drive for awhile.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
4 years ago

For the most part, ecumenical monotheism is a function of Christianity. Therefore, it has been with us a little over 2,000 years rather than 5,000. And this fact destroys Haldane’s argument inasmuch as there was a great deal of human misery before the advent of Jesus Christ.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

what really invalidates the theory Haldane pulled out of his cat’s ass, is the fact that people can become fanatical about anything, not specifically religion. And they can change targets of obsession too. if you couple a charismatic leader, that evokes the fanatic tendency, with a large group of followers, you are going to be able to overwhelm any group lacking that condition. Like the Neanderthals…

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Exactly. That’s another way of saying what I was saying. Ecumenical monotheism didn’t exist before Christ, but to say fanaticism didn’t is preposterous. And, at any rate, fanaticism is hardly a prerequisite for human suffering anyway.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 years ago

Zoroastrianism? Honest question.

Sandmich
Sandmich
4 years ago

Egalitarianism is man’s greatest invention, a doomsday device we cannot disarm.
— Excellent, makes me wish I was in to putting bumper stickers on my car!

Balkan Fanatic
Balkan Fanatic
4 years ago

Christianity of course as the original “leftist” ideology is the one which established the idea of “equality” as well as of ” making world better place” perversely tying to the notion of “original sin” and eternal culpability In its essence christian cult is the first universalistic, or in today language the globalist ideology Neither in Greece nor in Rome any of these ideas existed Inhabitants of these domains saw themselves as far above the rest (rightly so). The idea of making the world “better” place would be laughed at as were the first Christians arriving in Rome They were highly… Read more »

Balkan Fanatic
Balkan Fanatic
Reply to  Balkan Fanatic
4 years ago

No thinking man would dispute the idea that fanaticism stems from monotheistic religions
Look at Greece and its history of dissent, of different philosophy that existed in relatively short period of historic time and compare that to the fanatic zealots of Christianity and their reign from roughly from 500 to 1500 AD
That period that ends with reformation and renaissance was literally a swamp where no new idea in art or science was born
1000 years of absolute christian domination aka dark ages was the age of fanaticism par excellence which western civilization had not known neither before nor after

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Balkan Fanatic
4 years ago

“Look at Greece and its history of dissent, of different philosophy that existed in relatively short period of historic time and compare that to the fanatic zealots of Christianity and their reign from roughly from 500 to 1500 AD”

I quess Aquinas, Scotus, Bacon, etc. never existed.

Balkan Fanatic
Balkan Fanatic
Reply to  Chet Rollins
4 years ago

Bacon was born in 1526 The other 2 are christian theologians

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Balkan Fanatic
4 years ago

Roger Bacon.

And just because they were theologians does not mean they were bereft of Philosophy.

I’d strongly recommend Copleston’s History of Philosophy to show the wealth of debate that happened throughout history, even in the ahistorially named ‘dark ages’.

Balkan Fanatic
Balkan Fanatic
Reply to  Chet Rollins
4 years ago

Sure I had spent some considerable time studying one of the major philosophical disputes of the time, namely
“How many angels can dance on the head of a pin”

“How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?” (alternatively “How many angels can stand on the point of a pin?”[1]) is a reductio ad absurdum challenge to medieval scholasticism in general, and its angelology in particular, as represented by figures such as Duns Scotus and Thomas Aquinas.[2]

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Balkan Fanatic
4 years ago

Fanatic, I’m largely with you on the things you said above, but the “how many angels” issue wasn’t about is it 5, 15 or 33 angels for a given pin. It was really a debate about finite versus transfinite.

My theologically-naive interpretation is that it was trying to address whether there is necessarily a physical aspect to the divine. But I could be FOS on that.

Balkan Fanatic
Balkan Fanatic
Reply to  Balkan Fanatic
4 years ago

lol 7 minuses so far for a most simple factual statement
(I thought he meant Francis Bacon)
Number of dislikes grows faster than corona virus cases in NYC
If you do not agree you can respond with your arguments or simply ignore it
Likes and dislikes that is a typical female behavior

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
Reply to  Chet Rollins
4 years ago

No, they don’t. Only progress exists.
And Progressivism has always been at war with Eurasia.

Progressivism has nothing to do with Christianity, and Marxism nothing to do with Judaism.

Keep up Comrades! Or else.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Balkan Fanatic
4 years ago

Do you know nothing of history?

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
Reply to  BadThinker
4 years ago

There is no history. There is only Progress. Of course The Dark Ages were Dark. Catholics were illiterate flat earthers. We can only read because of Islam. Progress like Zeus sprang from the head of Darwin. Before 1945 all was Darkness. White people give off evil rays that make others do bad things. There is no God. There is only science. Science tells us men are women, and the law tells women they are men. We are all one world. COVID will kill 6 million. Exactly, not one more or less. Our models are correct. That they are a fraction… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Balkan Fanatic
4 years ago

Philosophical pluralism hardly obviates fanaticism. Plato had all of Democritus’ works destroyed. And I think I hardly need mention 20th-century Marxists.

tristan
tristan
Reply to  Balkan Fanatic
4 years ago

Hmm.. I am not sure the British experience with the Thugees in India, or the human sacrifice cult of the druids that the Romans took such pains to stamp out, or the mass human sacrifice of the various South American cultures really agree with that statement. But I suppose it depends on what you mean by fanatic?

james wilson
james wilson
Member
Reply to  Balkan Fanatic
4 years ago

Or, the Dark Ages were going to be dark regardless of who dominated life after the collapse of Rome. And, without that collapse and the subsequent dark age no enlightenment would have been left space to birth, and born in Chistianity it was. Not in an Islamic one, or Confucian, Hindu or Buddist, or Atheist. As a non-Christian I don’t feel the need to answer why that is, but facts are stubborn things. Even an Atheist must acknowledge Christianity did not stop the Enlightenment. What the Atheist cannot manage is to acknowledge is that he has ended the Enlightenment.

BTP
Member
Reply to  Balkan Fanatic
4 years ago

lol at the idea that the Greeks were unstained by fanaticism. You could try reading, literally, anything at all from them.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Balkan Fanatic
4 years ago

Socrates would like a word.

james wilson
james wilson
Member
Reply to  BadThinker
4 years ago

Tocqueville–“It is doubtful whether Socrates and his school had very definite opinions upon what was to happen to man in the afterlife, but the one belief of which they were convinced, namely, that the soul has nothing in common with the body and would survive it, has been enough to give to Platonic philosophy this sort of sublime impetus which is its distinctive feature. On reading Plato, we see that many writers before and during his lifetime anticipated the doctrine of materialism These writers have not survived to our day or have only partially survived. The same is true for… Read more »

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  Balkan Fanatic
4 years ago

Balkan; You are right about one thing, namely that Christianity is radically egalitarian. But you seem confused about how this works and what it means: To you. Personally. The true equality in Christianity is that all men (& women) are equally born into human sin and depravity and therefore are equally in need of God’s saving grace, which is equally available to all through accepting Jesus’ atoning sacrifice on the cross. And only through accepting it. We all equally can bring nothing to ‘the unfair exchange.’ But *anyone* can accept it by bringing an open hand, open heart and ‘bending… Read more »

whatever2020
whatever2020
Member
4 years ago

Haldane is subject to honest critcism, as thezman has actually pointed out, for being the pot that calls the kettle black — not necessarily for being wrong about what he posited, in and of itself. There clearly is at least some overlap between fanaticism arising from monotheistic and fanaticism arising from egalitarianism. Specifically in our current American context, all too many of our intellectuals who have gone unhinged crazy fanatic were born into, raised in, and are steeped in the monotheistic tradition and philosophical world view, in particular the protestant sects that fall within what thezman has referred to as… Read more »

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  whatever2020
4 years ago

Please tell me if fanaticism is an innate trait, or is learned behavior. And no guessing!

Member
4 years ago

Dissidents will get more of what we tolerate. Let the delusional operate on their own dime and their own time. We are better served by insulating ourselves from their psychosis. No is a perfectly acceptable answer. God luck keeping these parasites off of us. They cannot exist without us. Go Galt if you can. That idea is more common sense than objectivist thinking. “There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission. If we wish to make it louder, we will bring up the volume. If we wish to make… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
4 years ago

Even though I think he is a closet Papist 🙂 Zman correct faults the atheist (indeed, the comment can apply more broadly…) who says that if everyone could drop their silly faith in the supernatural, they would learn to think rationally. The goal is correct up to a point, but I critique it thusly: The hidden (wrong) assumption in the atheist imagines is that people think in two distinct ways: either they are mindless believers in the invisible guy in the sky OR they are cold-blooded rationalists that would do Spock proud. This is (probably) fallacy of the false dichotomy.… Read more »

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
4 years ago

IMO “its main fault” is that I have yet to meet an athiest that isn’t annoying as fuck – that doesn’t send me texts with anti-Christian memes once they find out I am a churchgoer …. that doesn’t blurt out stupid, smug shit like, “you believe in gawd, dude?!?” ….

… I could go on.

Bunny
Bunny
Reply to  HomerB
4 years ago

Yeah, and here’s the important thing. Atheists don’t have no songs. Well, except for “Imagine”.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xmwAD7nHqaY

Din C. Nuttin
Din C. Nuttin
Reply to  Bunny
4 years ago

“Imagine” that…

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  Bunny
4 years ago

“Atheists don’t have no songs. Well, except for ‘Imagine'”.

For which they should be banished from polite society, if not tortured.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
4 years ago

I just wished there was a way to get rulers who would dish out penalties for this voodoo. When the liberal puritan whites declare us sane white men racist for opposing say Chinese immigration and the black nut job leader agrees with the white nut job liberal then it sure would be nice if our leader would say Ok we import Chinese then. And move the entire Chinese population right in the middle of black town. Maybe they don’t take up the whitey nut job ideas quite so easily next time. Or when the Indians say we won’t give you… Read more »

Bill_Mullins
Member
4 years ago

I’m no fanatic but I do believe that all men should receive equal treatment before the law. Jefferson was no fanatic when he wrote “that All men are created equal”. I believe that the equality Jefferson wrote about was that all should be treated equally by officers of the law. When Jefferson wrote those words, It was much harder to bring an accusation against a rich man (or his progeny) or a titled man than it was a “commoner”. ZMan, are you saying that that sort of preferential treatment, codified by the law, is right and proper? Are you saying… Read more »

T. Morris
T. Morris
Reply to  Bill_Mullins
4 years ago

Not to speak out of turn, Mr. Mullins, but I would suggest you read Zippy on this question of “equality before the law.” Thoroughly. Start here, if you like:

https://zippycatholic.wordpress.com/?s=equality+before+the+law

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Bill_Mullins
4 years ago

“that All men are created equal”, a phrase I was in love with for most of my life (tons of things are gradually coming up for revision), was war propaganda. Then it became dogma, ie religion of a kind.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  Bill_Mullins
4 years ago

“ZMan, are you saying that that sort of preferential treatment, codified by the law, is right and proper? Are you saying that there SHOULD be one law for peed-ons such as ourselves and another for elites?” You already know the answer to this, and it isn’t the first time you’ve posted something confrontational like this with a blatantly obvious piece of bait sitting on a hook. Are you familiar with Vox Day’s gamma sperg theory? He isn’t wrong, even if he assigns it to everyone who disagrees with him. But there are some times when it is 100% accurate. I’m… Read more »

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Apex Predator
4 years ago

“underlining” <- my favorite part of the comment

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Is the grammar enforcer gamma sperg really the hill you want to die on Karl? Do you pick out Z’s errors as well?(I think you do actually) Nothing like jumping directly into the line of fire proving my point yet again. You are a Smart Boy™ (along w/ OP, we get it!)

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Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Apex Predator
4 years ago

how am i to blame for you providing everyone a good laugh? I would bet hard money you are wearing a t-shirt with vox’s picture on it. A suspiciously stained T-shirt…

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Apex Predator
4 years ago

And you Nazi’s know what awaits , don’t you?
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Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Amusing, but really a typical spell checker error that often goes unnoticed. Whatever is going on here with my iPad spell checker and the blog, I get at least half a dozen such in any posting and need to go back to or react after reread. Indeed, I didn’t even know what you were referring to and had to reread Apex’s comment closely. I corrected it in my mind and noticed nothing.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Compsci
4 years ago

i figured it was a spelling completion error, but the vainglorious pomposity of the comment was more than i could resist 😛

Bill_Mullins
Member
Reply to  Apex Predator
4 years ago

Predator, you know exactly jack SHIT about me aside from the fact that I am bold enough to use my own name instead of cravenly hiding behind a nom-de-net like so many brave net warriors here. I asked the host a question because I had a question about something HEwrote. I don’t do deep seated underlying psychology or other such nit noy bullshit! I ask simple direct questions couched in simple direct language precisely as I was taught in Air Force Effective Writing back around 1975 or so. For the record, I respect the ZMan FAR TOO MUCH to believe… Read more »

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Bill_Mullins
4 years ago

I believe men are created equally before the law, and have the same worth in the eyes of God. That is different from saying they have the ability to contribute to society equally.

Bill_Mullins
Member
Reply to  DLS
4 years ago

Thank you. I share that belief and it seemed to me that the ZMan was saying the exact opposite so I stupidly asked for clarification. I suppose around here one is not allowed to question the ZMan.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Bill_Mullins
4 years ago

Yeah, Rachel Jeantel is the epitome of “equal before the law.” Ohnoes, you’ll reply, that’s not what you mean. But it is what you will get with your blanket statement. No, we are not equal in any way nor should we be ‘equal’ before some presumed law. What you’re looking for is perfect fairness which is found nowhere in nature. You’re presuming some jury made up of some racial and/or IQ level mixture can rationally and fairly and impartially determine justice. Democracy and equality – both are massive lives and massive failures.

Vegetius
Vegetius
4 years ago

It is not so important how the globalist door is kicked down.

What is important is who walks through it.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
4 years ago

In some bizarre way I see a Jeffrey Epstein tie to this virus madness. The Epstein suicide was perceived by a huge swath of people, regardless of politics, to be a hit job by the wealthiest .001% on a guy in a prison cell who had the goods on them. While this can’t be dismissed outright, a critical thinker would say that there’s a higher likelihood that a degenerate pervert, who lived most of his life in pleasure palaces, couldn’t take prison for even one day, and through an incompetent bureaucracy, was indeed able to off himself. The cameras likely… Read more »

Bunny
Bunny
Reply to  JR Wirth
4 years ago

Okay, the cameras hardly ever worked because incompetence. Okay, the guards were incompetently absent. Okay, the whatsis bone in Epstein’s throat was broken consistent with homicidal strangulation because he was an incompetent suicider. Okay, Epstein’s jailhouse companion swears Epstein was not depressed, but the companion was incompetently empathetic. How many coincidental incompetencies would it take to make you go “hmm”?

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  JR Wirth
4 years ago

Bravo.

Lorenzo
Lorenzo
4 years ago

To an agnostic, listening to atheists try to prove a negative proposition is just as amusing as listening to fundamentalists try to explain dinosaur fossils.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
4 years ago

This tiresome “One God or No God” crap is exactly what Juri was talking about when he mentioned “Communism and Capitalism”.

J-created words, Orwellian Newspeak.

We’re so busy arguing the definition of the dialectic that we can’t see what is actually happening.

Our very speech prevents us from forming a different concept.

BTP
Member
4 years ago

I think the central tenent of atheism is to hijack every gol-dang thread so they can talk about the gol-dang flying spaghetti monster. Similar disease afflicts vegetarians, dunno why. Junger is an interesting case. I read his “Tribe” book, which suffered, iirc, from the Rusty Reno problem of being able perceptively to identify and catalogue a problem and then recommend absurd non-solutions to it. In that case, when discussing the suicide of veterans, he identifies the lack of tribe for these men as a cause and recommends creating fake tribes for them. There is a kind of conservative mentality that… Read more »

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  BTP
4 years ago

“Similar disease afflicts vegetarians, dunno why.” In case that wasn’t rhetorical, I suspect deep underlying insecurity about their own choices. The constant talking about it and belittling others who do not share their position is really to reassure themselves, not to convince others. In the same vein, I know some deeply religious persons (for whom I have great personal respect even though I personally have zero religiosity), and none of them go about asking “Do you believe in God [or whatever]?” They are secure in their faith. And good for them. I don’t go around asking people “Do you believe… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
4 years ago

If you (the individual) think it’s impossible to know everything, you have faith. If you think it’s possible, you lack faith. What you do with that is up to you.

Maus
Maus
4 years ago

Re: fanatacism, “Do or do not. There is no try.” Newsflash: the Jedi failed. The poz prevailed over the force. I guess there weren’t enough midichlorians to go around…

tristan
tristan
Reply to  Maus
4 years ago

Funny enough I was watching something the other day hypothesizing that Star Wars was an allegory on the Jewish revolt in 69AD and the destruction of the Roman empire written from the Jewish Perspective.

Strange how these things make it into our culture?

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  tristan
4 years ago

Hmmm. Is there hollywierd entertainment that isn’t written from “the perspective” of the stated? Passion of the Christ, mayhaps?

bilejones
Member
Reply to  HomerB
4 years ago

And look what they did to Mel,

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  tristan
4 years ago

C.mon man! <- my Biden imitation

Lucas took bits and pieces from multiple sources; The Hidden Fortress and The Hero with 1000 Faces in particular. He has also explicitly said it was a vietnam allegory, with the Rebel Alliance representing the Vietcong.

Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
Reply to  Karl McHungus
4 years ago

Personally, I have always thought Star Wars was a dumbed-down Dune; a simplified, cannabis induced plagiarism. Think about it: Desert planet, Galactic Empire, chosen savior of the universe, Force replaces Spice, which probably seemed too…ah, mercantile.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
4 years ago

yah, he took from Dune too. Imperial Troopers are analogs of Sardaukar.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  tristan
4 years ago

Not at all. It is (((They))) who control the media and this includes the movie industry. Their influence extends across the Galaxy 😀
Our one hope lies in our secret weapon that renders them powerless:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYX4iGOjR50

HomerB
HomerB
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
4 years ago

Garlic?

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
4 years ago

Egalitarian atheism is an oxymoron. Egalitarianism requires the negation of all nature and all history. It is superstition carried to the extreme.

Vegetius
Vegetius
4 years ago

I think Haldane’s bit was that the beetles shall inherit the Earth.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Vegetius
4 years ago

I cannot “Imagine” that.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
4 years ago

Z you might want to read “Dominion” by honest yet professed atheist Tom Holland. Summary; Christianity and it’s radical idea that we all are made in the image and likeness of God – and hence are not meat to be sold at market, or summed into quant spreadsheets, etc – this is Christianity. Admittedly shorn of that pesky Sky God to hold us to account, but (Post Christ) Christianity nonetheless. There are reasons beyond spite the gays for instance relentlessly pursue the Church for its blessing. His case is comprehensive and persuasive. Your quarrel here begins with Pope Hildebrand, your… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout

“This is not real, this is not really happening…
You bet your life it is, you bet your life it is…”
— Tori Amos, “Cornflake Girl”

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
4 years ago

I never imagined seeing Torrid Anus quoted on this site.

Vegetius
Vegetius
4 years ago

The memes in an election year ought to come in around 6th grade level. Metaphysics can wait until the odd years.

Vegetius
Vegetius
4 years ago

Nobody not already convinced one way or the other has time for or cares about liberalism.

Exile
Exile
Member
4 years ago

The Haldanes were an interesting clan. A few examples: “as the biologist J. B. S. Haldane once famously observed: “The universe is not only queerer than we suppose; it is queerer than we can suppose.” Jack Haldane was the genius son of the brilliant scientist John Scott Haldane. “At the age of three, he was overheard demanding peevishly of his father : ‘But is it oxyhaemoglobin or carboxyhaemoglobin ?’ “. He went on to become the world’s expert on depression chambers for submariners and divers. [YMMV – the three-year-old part sounds like sheep-sh*t to me] ― Bill Bryson, A Short… Read more »

Vegetius
Vegetius
4 years ago

Antiglobalism may well stake the hearts of those vampires reigning over us.

Vegetius
Vegetius
4 years ago

Once you infect someone with the virus of antiglobalism, noticing the usual suspects is often only a problematic detail.

Vegetius
Vegetius
4 years ago

At this point, antiglobalism is de facto prowhite, and a far easier pitch to make than muh facts and logic.

Vegetius
Vegetius
4 years ago

All of the more countersemitic factions have decided that now is the time to engage in rhetorical fratricide. Not the sort of behavior one would expect from people resisting demographic replacement.

Vegetius
Vegetius
4 years ago

The cringe takes of folks just now showing up are actually something I warm my hands over.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
4 years ago

Article of the day:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/science/tiger-cats-coronavirus.html

It had a “dry cough.” So many underlying issues with this. Was the tiger practicing social distancing? How the hell did it get it? It really ices the cake on this whole spectacle. It’s great to know that zoo animals have access to such great health care. Maybe they can bring the thing onto that hospital ship.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
4 years ago

Sorry, no time, thanks to opening my fat gob, but re contradictions and examining my premise:

My starting premise is that the premise of One or None is erroneous, which leads us to another false box: that the God created us.

No. No. That’s entirely backwards.

Now for another contradiction:
The believers are right, yet also wrong.

There’s More- but they have no idea how it works. Because of that backwards First Premise.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
4 years ago

Stop the Presses! Woody Harrelson believes that 5G causes Coronavirus. I guess we’re going to have to rip down all those new 5G towers to flatten the curve. After all, if we can save “even one life” from the virus, isn’t it worth ripping down a trillion dollars worth of new infrastructure?