Bourgeois Fantasy

False consciousness is term probably coined by Friedrich Engels to describe a scenario where a subordinate class embraces the ideology of the ruling class, even though the ideology guarantees their subordination. In the communist view of things, workers embraced the bourgeois values of capitalist society, even though it meant they remained at the bottom of the social hierarchy. It was an interesting bit of projection that has been a feature of radicalism since the beginning.

To be a radical in the conventional sense of Western politics starts with a heavy dose of self-deception. Radicals are rarely from the subordinate class. Almost always they are from the ruling elite. They are intellectuals raised in leisure, but convinced they are the authentic voice of the masses. The rare few from the masses have been elevated because they confirm the bourgeois radical’s need for affirmation. As a reward, the striver gets to live in the farmhouse with the pigs.

A glaring example of radical self-delusion is in this clip from the Jimmy Dore Show in which the host discusses the revolution with Chris Hedges. For those unfamiliar, Dore is a comic who has made himself rich doing left-wing comedy. Chris Hedges is an activist who caters to the NPR crowd. He used to write for the New York Times and got famous trafficking in conspiracy theories during the Bush years. He is the type who claimed Bush was a fascist and Iraq was the Sudetenland.

The clip is interesting because both men are convinced they are opposed to the system, when in fact they are products of the system. This is not an act. They truly think they are the avant garde trying to organize a revolt against the system. Further, both seem to think they are working class heroes, leading the proletariat in their struggle against the bourgeois oppressor class. There are times when they sound like a museum exhibit explaining the 1930’s union movements.

Jimmy Dore is a rich guy who lives in a two-million dollar home in California, while Hedges is a rich guy who lives in a mansion in Princeton New Jersey. That is one of the tonier neighborhoods in America. They owe everything that truly matters to them to the system they pretend to oppose. If there was a revolution, they are the on the first train cars heading to the gulags. The only thing more ridiculous than these two talking revolution is the fact that they seem to believe it.

An amusing sidebar here is that they both have put a lot of effort into retconning their life story to match their roles. Hedges claims to have grown up working class, but his family sent him to elite boarding schools. But hey, the Chaffee school is pretty much a juvenile detention center. Dore carries on like his father was Archie Bunker, but in reality, he was a cop who owned a construction business. The system they claim to oppose has been very good to the both of them.

Other than the entertainment value, the reason to pay attention to these sorts of people is they offer an insight into the people in charge. The typical person in mainstream politics suffers from the same sort of self-delusion. Few have ever done real work or known anyone who does real work. Their entire lives have been inside the world of make believe, where they struggle with other actors, pretending to care about the people outside the bubble.

Just as conservatism is a bone the system throws to middle-class white people to keep them busy; socialism is a bone tossed to upper-middle class white people to make them feel special. One of the remarkable features of the Bernie Bro phenomenon is that it is whiter than a Klan rally. Scroll through the clips of the Jimmy Dore show or the Young Turks and it is nothing but palefaces. In no way does this brand of radicalism look anything like the people they claim to represent.

The self-delusion is not a one-way street. There are cynical people in politics, for sure, but most really believe what they are saying. Elizabeth Warren holds court in her mansion telling the wealthy hens in her circle about how she is fighting for working families and the victims of Wall Street. They all congratulate themselves on being the conscience of the people. All of these people are high on their own fumes, which is what keeps them from facing reality.

The thing about the concept of false consciousness is that Engels was inadvertently signaling what would become a prominent feature of radicalism. It is not the subordinate classes that are the victims, but rather the radicals themselves. Whether it is civic nationalists and their utopian fantasies about the Constitution or the middle-class socialists and their utopian fantasies about economics, radicalism requires the participants to live in a state of smug self-delusion.

Perhaps it is the nature of all political systems to delude the beneficiaries, so they do not have to face the reality of their position. The king can know himself, but his court must believe they are acting in the name of honor. The crafty political operator can be as cynical as he likes, but his supporters must see him as a man of virtue, selflessly serving the republic. In liberal democracy, it is the narcotic of radicalism played out in the comfort of the gated mansion.


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Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
3 years ago

Damn

Unz’ page is missing.

Anyone know what happened?

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
3 years ago

I’ll reply to myself.

Link is screwy.

Still up.

Acting strange.

Michael Bradley
Michael Bradley
3 years ago

Did I miss an announcement about no podcast this week?

Stephen Flemmi
Stephen Flemmi
Reply to  Michael Bradley
3 years ago

Short answer. Yes.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
3 years ago

They are all Dead Head stickers on Cadillacs (including the writer of that lyric).

I disagree with your take, Z. Most are aware they are posers. Look at one of the few times the working class got their way: the election of Trump. The ensuing freakout shows how deeply they fear even a harmless and insignificant mass movement.

The rapidly approaching economic class will punch their lights out and make the pose much more difficult as they try to cling to their stuff.

terranigma
terranigma
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 years ago

The left are living in a spectrum between the persona and false consciousness. Jung defined the persona as the artificial personality we create to fit into society. It is the fake personality you take on when you pretend that you do not want to fight someone when you really want to fight someone, and there is usually some level of awareness that you are pretending along with everyone else around you. The liberal hive has extended the persona into a false consciousness where people lose the awareness that they are pretending. Their consciousness lives entirely within the artificial construct of… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
3 years ago

What must be one of the most unremarked aspects of the do-gooder, the reformer or the radical of any stripe is this: Do they have the slightest idea of the condition of the actual commoner (poor, downtrodden, disadvantaged, etc.) he may claim to be “helping”? In most cases, I’d expect the answer is “no.” Oh sure, they may at least have theorized or even read a bit, but actual first-hand experience? Rarely. As Don Quixote slowly learns when begins his adventures as a knight-errant, the radical’s mind is filled with a set of at best hazy generalities, at worst grotesque… Read more »

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
3 years ago

I can speak from some experience here. I grew up working class without a lot of money. Thanks to some good fortune and some brains I have moved in managerial/system circles for most of my adult life, and in short, these people are clueless. They have no idea what working class life is, how people behave, what people desire, and most importantly just how useless and even harmful the bureaucracy they love so much is at that level. I was never actually able to change anyone’s mind when discussing my experience, and more than once I was called some variant… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
3 years ago

There’s a lot of Z-man venom towards David French. And why wouldn’t there be? He’s a sick clown. But please save some venom for Steve Sailer and Victor Davis Hanson, who do more, through their empty, masturbatory boomer rhetoric, to derail the right than the more transparent French ever could.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

But please save some venom for Steve Sailer and Victor Davis Hanson, who do more, through their empty, masturbatory boomer rhetoric, to derail the right than the more transparent French ever could. Again, EVERYONE whom you are allowed to read was SELECTED [via exceedingly rigorous & accurate psychometric analysis] for having been a shabbos goy who could be trusted to never cross over the line into outright Truth Speak. Hanson, Sailer, French – all of them – are living precisely the lives which they were SELECTED to live. The rest of us failed the psychometric examinations, with some of us,… Read more »

Michael Bradley
Michael Bradley
Reply to  Not My Usual Pen Name
3 years ago

You can learn more in 30 minutes from Victor Hanson than you can in four years of college. You turn on him in order to brandish your fides, but he brought more people closer to this side with his defense of Trump than you could in 10,000 years.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

Sailer and VDH are boomer relics who, except as they reach their generational-intellectual boundaries, say good and important things.

David French just relishes your death.

It’s not the same.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
3 years ago

OT: jimmy page is this man’s bitch

‘https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go9J9REtfdA&ab_channel=NEAZIXNH

and please, do not even mention EVH as a counter.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
3 years ago

OT: any fans of Harbeth speakers here?

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

cs7 + luxman 505uxii + mofi studio deck

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
3 years ago

Fascinating. It’s tough to get a read on those guys. You may be right, Z… but consider: I come from the Hive. From the caste that actually IS the establishment or the managerial class. They sound nothing like these guys. To them, the institutions all still work, you can set your watch and warrant to the mass media, the schools and courts all run like Swiss watches, and the sun still sets and rises on the Empire. These guys? A product of the system…? I don’t think so, Z. Unlike establishment hacks, they know something is seriously wrong. They even… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Glenfilthie
3 years ago

Hmmm…. the old slogan “A Conservative is a Liberal who has been mugged.” We could perhaps update it to:
“A Dissident Right (or at least, Dissident Left) -ist is a former Aparachik (presumably liberal Democrat but RINO or similar is acceptable) White male who was passed over for promotion by a BIPOC, tranny, box wine aunt, Boss’s best friend from the fraternity at Yale, etc.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  Glenfilthie
3 years ago

A dissident left…? There are myriad health-fooders & buy-locals & dancing bears & ecologists with whom we can find common ground. In particular, Bobby Kennedy Jr has been so outstanding on the question of V@xxines that he’s approaching literal canonization status [obviously in an alternate reality, wherein roman popery hadn’t been overwhelmed by the globo-homo-pedo jesuits]. Although the set of all ecologists will have a non-trivial intersection with the set of all Georgia Guidestones adherents, so we gotta tread very carefully there. And when the Buy-Locals start to Think-Global, we gotta keep a close eye on their Global-Thoughts [but so… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
3 years ago

NY Fed has suspended its GDP tracking model:

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/wheels-come-economic-growth-craters-ny-fed-suspends-its-gdp-tracking-model

I tend to agree this means the wheels are close to coming off, probably sooner rather than later.

FeinGul
FeinGul
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
3 years ago

The wheels coming off means they need a bigger ditch for the peasants. This is the price of passivism.

Catxman
3 years ago

If a crowd of politicians went skinny-dipping, would anybody notice? If they embezzled from their own tiny grandmas, bankrupting the little old lady, would anybody care? What does it take for a clone to get a fair shake? They’re good at reading the teleprompter. Surely that counts for something. To read my full (longer) article on this, move the mouse over my name and hit click to go.

Bill
Bill
3 years ago

Speaking of delusion: I don’t know who first observed the fact that the main attribute needed to be a Progressive is the ability to *not notice*

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
3 years ago

So, are we all living a movie in our heads? Lefties marching with Lenin to attack the factory. SJWs marching at Selma and rioting at Stonewall. Conservatives, hungry and cold, crossing the Delaware with Washington. Alt-Right standing in defense of Dresden. Christians confronting Roman soldiers at the garden of Gethsemane. Hebrews in the foothills watching the Thera tidal wave smash Egyptian chariots with Moses. Muslims riding across the midnight desert on a raid with Mohammed. Hindus carrying His arrows following Krishna into battle. Bhuddists hearing His voice under the bo tree. In our strangest of times, we now have this:… Read more »

Carl B.
Carl B.
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

What the hell happened to the Aussies? Are there any men left in Australia with balls?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Carl B.
3 years ago

They’ve all become Covidile Dundees.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Carl B.
3 years ago

The truckee strike was supposed to shut down every road in Oz on the 31st.
The veterans were all in.

Not a word. Not a single word about it, I pray it’s real.

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

It did happen .Only went on one day but that was apparently the plan.

Its going to take a lot more than that but as my mum liked to say baby steps

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Carl B.
3 years ago

Cowed by the She-lahs.

It’s endemic to what’s left of Western Civ.

Pickle Rick
Pickle Rick
Reply to  Carl B.
3 years ago

Those kind of ANZACS bled out on the beach at Gallipoli, or at El Alemein or the Kokoda Track. Their great grandsons were castrated before they could be men like their grandsires.

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
Reply to  Carl B.
3 years ago

Their balls got handed over with their guns.

Mark Auld
Mark Auld
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

This really scares the hell out of me, if the aussies accept this then I doubt we and the rest of the west have the stones for another revolution.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Mark Auld
3 years ago

If you can’t trust a colony of cast out criminals to rebel, then whom can you trust?

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  Mark Auld
3 years ago

It shouldn’t. An Aussie “like us” was on another board discussing the issues.

His take is that his country is very conformist because of its tiny population and extremely hazardous land and that people there are boiling mad.

The manipulation is intense but as he put it “even here, things are in breaking strain.”

You won’t hear about it if/when it happens, The only news that might cover it will by Sky News and our overlord will try and shut that down fast for fear of contagion.

Pozymandias
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

Where is that quote from? It’s pretty horrifying but I’m not sure even the Australians would do something like this. For one thing, there would be a lot of police responses to people just not having good cell coverage. I have to admit that “Southern Hemisphere Freedom Deficit Syndrome” (New Zealand is doing similar stuff) is puzzling and troubling. It’s not just Covid hysteria either but gun bans and a lot of other things too. Additionally, if “culture is downstream of biology” as we like to say, this doesn’t speak well of modern White biology. Australia and NZ are about… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Pozymandias
3 years ago

Pozymandias – It’s been reported at a number of sites, and it appears legitimate. Yes, Australia IS doing this.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/australia-debuts-new-orwellian-app-using-facial-recognition-geolocation-to-enforce-quarantine

Pozymandias
Reply to  3g4me
3 years ago

Thanks for the link. I read it. So it’s the alternative to being kept prisoner in a hotel after you travel. Well, that’s much better, you get to be imprisoned at home instead. It’s very sad, Australia starts as a prison camp and it seems like it ends as one too.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  Pozymandias
3 years ago

Additionally, if “culture is downstream of biology” as we like to say, this doesn’t speak well of modern White biology.

And that is the great question of our times: Can the White Race [biologically speaking, the White Amygdala] summon the psychological strength necessary to throw off the psychological shackles of the ubiquitous Frankfurt School cultural poisoning?

It’s beyond fascinating – it’s scintillating – to watch the Frankfurt School achieve infinitely more via imaginary psychological shackles than any other tyrants [in known human history] ever achieved via mere iron shackles.

Absolutely scintillating.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

Uh, what if one doesn’t have a cell phone?

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
3 years ago

Uh, what if one doesn’t have a cell phone?

SSSHHHHH!!!!!

Loose lips sink ships…

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
3 years ago

Bartleby: My husband has just been informed that his phone (by choice an old one with a physical key pad that replaced an even older one that accidentally got wet) will no longer work as the carrier upgrades to 5G and he MUST get a smartphone. Needs a phone for business and occasional personal use but is strongly resistant to smartphone and its intrusiveness and monitoring. Muh consumer choice.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  3g4me
3 years ago

We may be moving into the world of “landline or nothing.”

Better fidelity, anyway. Way cheaper, and you never need to upgrade.

What’s not to love?

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

“Never need to upgrade!” Ha! That’s rich! Speaking for the USA, in the 35 or so years that cell has been around, they’ve gone from astronomically expensive analog (1G I guess) to 2G, to 3G and so on. 1G and 2G are long gone. 3G sunsets in early 2022. As is at least one signalling method (TDMA) in mid-2000s, and GSM a few years ago (I think). requiring me to shop for a new phone. Now, I’ll agree it’s true that a given standard usually remains for many years. As a cheapskate on the budget end of these trends, even… Read more »

James J O'Meara
James J O'Meara
3 years ago

And yet, we’d be a lot better off if people listened to Chris Hedges. He’s not wrong, you know.

https://youtu.be/VXYsGuBdzM4

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  James J O'Meara
3 years ago

I’ve read any number of leftists who correctly identify the problems with the US. Then they go and recommend more globohomo. I note that the first thing he attacks is “unilateralism” (also known as nationalism). Then he describes the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq as “the greatest strategic blunder in its history,” which is simply unsupportable hyperbole. Yes, they were bad, but they pale in comparison to WW 1, Vietnam, and possibly even large parts of WW2, not to mention the immense strategic blunder that was the Civil War. He heaps far too much significance on those two wars, while… Read more »

Melissa
Melissa
3 years ago

A while back, Paul Ramsey and a small group were harassed by antifa, SPLC freaks while walking from the parking lot to attend a conference. They were screaming obscenities, epithets, and screeching “Resist!”. They have zero self-awareness. Paul Ramsey responded by yelling “you ARE the man!” If you happen to have a moment and need a laugh, please listen to Kevin “silver tongued devil” McCarthy’s speech about removing Confederate statues and his criticism of CRT back in late June. He proudly and repeatedly reminds everyone that they are removing statues of Democrats! and boasts about a painting of Lincoln in… Read more »

Götterdamn-it-all
Götterdamn-it-all
Reply to  Melissa
3 years ago

Lee, in a letter to Lord Acton, also wrote: “…the consolidation of the States into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it.”

The events of the past 150 years have borne out this great man’s amazing prescience. Truer words were never penned.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Götterdamn-it-all
3 years ago

Wow, thanks for that prescient Lee quote. He is among the most honorable men this continent produced. It is no surprise Lee saw the nascent Empire as a threat to humanity. While he previously served the United States honorably, he was one of the very few among the Southern aristocracy who saw the dangerous portent of the war with Mexico although he kept his misgivings private.

The Mexican-American War and the debacle in Afghanistan really are the bookends to the American Empire.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Melissa
3 years ago

Today’s leaders seem to have traded the adjective “detached” for the superficially similar one, “unhinged.” 😀

FeinGul
FeinGul
3 years ago

I read this as we have an old asset as new asset 😡

I mean ISIS-K

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/taliban-have-a-2-front-war-headed-their-way/ar-AAO2aAP

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  FeinGul
3 years ago

I was wrong about setting up an Afghan-Paki war, as I had forgotten the local aphorism “not a shot is fired in Afghanistan that the ISI doesn’t know”- the Taliban’s logistic and miltary support is Pakistan.
They are Paki-backed puppets, as was Mullah Omar.

This won’t be Afghans gaining territory, this is Pakis gaining territory. What weird games are our Intel (State) and Mil (DoD) up to now?

trackback
3 years ago

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Stephen Flemmi
Stephen Flemmi
3 years ago

Well said. Clarification needed: has he had a personal bout with cancer or was it dearly departed wife?

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
3 years ago

Semi OT:

Anyone else notice iSteve spent most of the week hysterically sperging out over Beer Flu?

I get his personal experience, but there is simply no credible, quality data out there that justifies that level of sheer terror.

Meanwhile, JHK has posted a Friday missive that makes it sound like he’s ready to saddle up and ride out with the militia.

B125
B125
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
3 years ago

You would think an experience with cancer would improve somebody’s ability to cope with the concept of death.

But I guess for an atheist, it doesn’t help. Steve will be cowering in fear of death (and divine judgement) until he dies anyways whenever it’s his time to die.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

B125, God already both asked, and answered, the Question: “go thou, faithful servant, live, and make Me more ammo.”

He’s a moderate. Get over it. He makes ammo. He has lived according to his lights and yet stays here in Dissident Ghetto.

Crawl into a cave and cower? What sins should he reflect on, did he steal cars?

Scared by the brush of death? Damn right he’s scared. Mr. Death was right there, for real this time, extending his bony hand. It ain’t courage unless your scared.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
3 years ago

born a pussy, die a pussy.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
3 years ago

Hedges is a real piece of work. He is a totally fake Christian who literally describes God as being “a verb and not a noun.” He first came to my attention when he used a graduation speech at some college (Rockford college, I think) to grandstand about Iraq and the evil fascist empire and they pulled the plug of his microphone during his speech when he wouldn’t shut the hell up. Leftists made it into a “free speech” issue. The one thing he was actually pretty good on is the fake leftists. Most of his speeches and writing that I’ve… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 years ago

Having dinner and drinks with the National Review, guys eh?

******
(Side poke: when you said “to he!! with the Moon, I missed my chance to rib you with “welp, we should just stay here on the pig farm in Jutland, then.”)

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

Not a lick of difference between the NRO guys and hedges or any run of the mill leftist. Just low tax progressives. Well, other than French kidnapping little African girls. At least progressives aren’t doing that!

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 years ago

God as being “a verb and not a noun.”

Scotus took the assertion “I AM THAT I AM” [Exodus 3:14], and turned into into the idea of the First Efficient Cause.

Go to a search engine and search on something like “scotus first efficient cause”.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
3 years ago

I tried out Jimmy Dore to see what all the hype was about. I found him to be Jimmy Bore.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
3 years ago

Perhaps it’s best to think of the phenomenon Zman describes here as a propaganda machine for reducing Cognitive Dissonance. How the hell are you going to get a generation of self-styled elite hipsters to willingly enslave themselves to Globocorp? Answer: by convincing them that they’re really “sticking it to the Man”. Through a blizzard of propaganda from poltroon Prog anchor-persons, comedians, “influencers” (WTF?) et alia, the self-styled elite all think they are creating heaven on earth by destroying western civilization. Deep down, they know they’re slaves. This (partially) explains drug use, depression, low fertility etc. The average Russian Serf was… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Captain Willard
3 years ago

The average Russian Serf never said, “times are so bad, why have children?”, did he? Oddly, his wife agreed with him, too. Want to hear a true story about absolutely heroic women? When their husbands were taken to Gulag, some women would leave their children with family and set off. They washed laundry until their knuckles were bloody, hoed frozen ground, walked icy roads alone, did whatever they could to reach the town outside the camp. There, they would take work at the mill, watching the logs that came in. The work was hard and dangerous, but they stayed, watching… Read more »

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

Thanks for your reply! Have a great long weekend.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

Saint Joseph Djugashvili ackshually read the personal correspondence of wives who would beg him for leniency on their husbands.

Can you imagine any U.S. president within living memory having done such a thing?

[Slick Willy taking kosher blow jobs from Marc Rich’s wife doesn’t count.]

Felix Krull
Member
3 years ago

Yes, Jimmi Dore is your typical bobo revolutionary: during what must be Keek Uyghur’s lifetime performance, he spat in Alex Jones’ face and immediately ran away like a little bitch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=412aatJqbzo

Notice what Alex tells Keek: “You’re the anti-liberal, and you’re pissed!”

Cheapthrills
Cheapthrills
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

“What I find interesting is Dore, Shapiro…”

Add Fauci to that list and if the phyzz alone does not set off alarm bells, ask yourself why. That may entail looking in the mirror for some – but if you share the physiognomy of these, named, best approach may be to avoid being what they are. Or is there any merit to the link between the outside and the inside of the human being?

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

If they were a boy band they’d call themselves “Rebel Media”… Oh, wait! That’s already taken.

But hey, if you style yourself “rebel”, you can’t very well be and establishment pawn, can you?

Cheapthrills
Cheapthrills
Reply to  Felix Krull
3 years ago

“If they were a boy band they’d call themselves…”

The band in Revenge of the Nerds.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
3 years ago

Just like you couldn’t possibly call yourself Students for a Democratic Society and be communists or People for the American Way and be anti-American…

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Felix Krull
3 years ago

The Backdoor Boys

Pickle Rick
Pickle Rick
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

Rage for the Machine…

Pozymandias
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

Celebrity Deathmatch did an episode where the band Rage Against the Machine fought “the machine”. The machine won. I’ve always thought that this was/is the perfect commentary on the phony rebellion of the establishment Left.

Carl B.
Carl B.
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

“Rebel Without A C**k. ” Starring Rachel Maddow and Don Lemon as “The Girl Who Loved Him.”

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Carl B.
3 years ago

Rebel rebel
You’ve torn your dress

David Bowie

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

Your face is a mess

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

enough aint the test

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

Scary. Like he came from the future.

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
3 years ago

Dore is the typical dissatisfied lefty who eventually gets approval from the right because he hates wokism. I remember the spitting incident which reminded me of the little punks in school who would run when they sucker punched someone.

So one millionaire having a falling out with other multi-millionaires (TYT) . I hate them all.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  David Wright
3 years ago

So one millionaire having a falling out with other multi-millionaires

It’s sort of lost in the hubbub, but what makes KEEK freak out is when Alex says they’re funded by Saudi Arabia – what a dirty LIE, we’re funded by Qatar – BIG difference.

I suspect what make him blow up was that Alex didn’t know TYT inside and out because KEEK knows everything about Alex Jones, you can be stone sure of that.

Of course all this anti-Mohammadan hobbyhorsemanship seems so quaint in $CurrentYear, a relic of the Bush era.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
3 years ago

People have become neurotic. They think too much, become strangers to themselves, come to hate themselves. It’s a lot easier and happier to trust your instincts and let ‘er rip. Easier said than done these days, but it ought to be.

Stephen Flemmi
Stephen Flemmi
3 years ago

Professional Students (people who spend the better part of a decade or more not going to medical school) start out this way and are constantly larping or pining to get into elite government orgs or 503(s). The Boston area is full of transplants who end up working in either government created orgs or non for profits. The local ethnic whites still dominate the municipal and most state agencies. The old adage “those who can’t do, teach” has been replaced with those who don’t want to work but pretend their life has purpose enters politics, works for or starts a morally… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Stephen Flemmi
3 years ago

Your anecdote is a terrific example of what an enormously cancerous problem the Leftist support structure is.

There are plenty of people far removed from official DC who can spend their entire lives as parasites in this support system.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
3 years ago

This is one of the reasons I’ve withdrawn from donations to these organizations, religious or secular. They all support a cadre of these Leftists and who in one way or another subvert your values using your own money. It’s a great grift—like the pre-reformation Catholic Church selling indulgences to the peasants.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Compsci
3 years ago

Religious organizations are some of the absolute worst Wokesters running around in conservative skinsuits.

They have grown rich, and are growing richer importing illiterate Kurds and Somalis to Idaho and Minnesota.

UsNthem
UsNthem
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
3 years ago

It’s why, some way some how this whole system has to be crashed down. The parasitic simps can then be rounded up and dealt with accordingly.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
3 years ago

Many on this board react negatively to authoritarism and I get it. I am not a joiner and chafe under demands that I do so.

However, the Chinese government just deplatformed some whores and sissy boys in their culture. The Chinese government called them something like “social tumors.”

You can’t tell me that you don’t find this appealing when we talk about this cancerous class of leftitsts.

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  LineInTheSand
3 years ago

Better learn to be a joiner.

Otherwise no matter how stupid the rival ideology is , the best organized will win.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  A.B Prosper
3 years ago

Thanks AB. You don’t have to worry, I’ve joined and I’ve led. It just doesn’t come easy.

My Scottish blood wants to stake out a small, hidden corner and defend it with long gun.

But seeing the big picture is a fine motivator.

If I recall my Tolkien, Théoden realizes he must appeal to all who are threatened by Sauron.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  A.B Prosper
3 years ago

If I recall my Tolkien…

If you don’t recall your Tolkien, you’ll never become a full citizens in Neuropa.

Maniac
Maniac
Reply to  LineInTheSand
3 years ago

China is right about soy-boys and Muslims.

Pozymandias
Reply to  Maniac
3 years ago

and nationalism, and immigration of non-Han ethnics, and making sure that women are not in charge of anything… Then you look at their suppression of dissent, their callous disregard of privacy and liberty… It would be nice if we could sit back and let the Chinese totalitarians destroy the Woke totalitarians and cleanse the world of those systems forever so we could move in and restore what people used to call “ordered liberty”. The problem is that there’s no safe observation platform from which to watch the shitshow. You’re on the playing field with them whether you like it or… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Stephen Flemmi
3 years ago

The modern incarnation of the village busybody – the eternal student/entry level government ‘servant.’ He’ll be a millionaire while making edicts about how you and the peons shall live. Put something in his drink now and spare everyone the future hassle.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  3g4me
3 years ago

“There really isn’t any need for bloodshed,
Just do it with a little more finesse,
If you can slip a tablet into someone’s coffee,
It avoids an awful lot of mess.”
— The Police, “Murder by Numbers”
https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/police/murderbynumbers.html
[a jazz-styled gem, a hint of some of what Sting would do solo. Amazingly some Christian groups got in a huff about this song in the 1980s. I guess they were unfamiliar with the concepts “irony” and “sarcasm”.]

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
3 years ago

Ben: I’ve never listened to Sting, but those lyrics bring to mind Gilbert and Sullivan.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Stephen Flemmi
3 years ago

Elite Overproduction writ large.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
3 years ago

False consciousness is what Leftist intellectuals confect to explain why reality keeps refuting their theories. Hence, Leftists are never wrong; they simply haven’t come up with enough theory.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
3 years ago

It is interesting to note that student radicals in the second half of the sixties turned against Theodore Adorno and Max Horkheimer when the latter two told them that they were not oppressed and that they could not be the vanguard of any forthcoming revolution. The Frankfurters were right in the first instance and wrong in the second. At any rate, when the student radicals abandoned the Frankfurt School, postmodernism, spearheaded initially by Michel Foucault, rushed in to fill the void. The rest was the end of the West.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

Absolutely. Especially as it regards freedom of speech and other basic individual rights.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

This is true. Of the Frankfurters, only Marcuse didn’t lapse into political quietism. He continued believing in the overthrow of instrumental reason, and with it, the destruction of capitalism. Marcuse also, at least notionally, continued supporting the student radicals.

Habermas, incidentally, a second-generation Frankfurter, sided with Adorno and Horkheimer. He actually referred to the student radicals as leftwing fascists. Suffice it to say that didn’t go down well with the students.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

Which makes you worry when Red Diaper Baby Buttigieg, son of Gramsci’s greatest champion in the US, is a rising star on the left.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 years ago

A friend of mine is a career Adorno expert who couldn’t BELIEVE that ol’ Ted said leftist protest is a ruling-class-directed “pseudo-activity.” Tremendous commie insult. When we were young it was his favorite thing to get loud about at the pub. He understands Adorno’s “paranoia” now, as the great American corporate wokeness blob swallows every formerly Marxist organization in England. The next leftist I see who learned anything from Foucault will be the first. English-speakers chanting “gaze” and “bodies” and “biopower” since the ’70s are repeating *each other*. They don’t mean (or know) what Foucault meant when he named those… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Hemid
3 years ago

Interpreting pomos is a crapshoot because anywhere from 25 to 75 percent of what they write is complete gibberish. It literally has no meaning. So, if one is so inclined, the only reasonable strategy for dealing with this material is to read for moments of lucidity and then connect those orts of meaning to form an impression. I’m reading Georges Bataille–possibly the chief influence upon Foucault–and this is my approach. Now as to whether English-speaking Leftists understand Foucault correctly or not, it’s really not that important. The fact is that these people have created a narrative from his works, and… Read more »

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 years ago

A vote for Gramsci here :), as a negative influence of course

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

As someone who lives in the heart of these people, I can tell you that their self-delusion is complete. They aren’t pretending. They truly believe all of this. Put them on a lie detector and ask them if they chose to live in this are because it’s 80-90% white area and they’ll answer “no” and pass with flying colors. They really believe that they chose this area because of “good schools” and it’s a “nice area.” But in their mind, they believe that it just happens to be white. What’s funny is I know that these people weren’t always so… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

Yes, I’ve learned over the years that pointing out the absurdity of my friends’ and neighbors’ colorblind statements or believes doesn’t exactly go over well, especially if you joke about it – particularly, if you joke about it. I’ve been the cause of many an uncomfortable silence. While these people believe what they’re saying, that believe is very fragile because, in fact, it’s a boldface lie. Everyone can maintain their beliefs as long as everyone maintains their beliefs. Anyone poking fun at those beliefs is putting everyone’s situation and view of themselves in danger. One amusing thing that changed over… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

An old friend of mine lives in a white middle-class enclave. His strategy was to personalize the subject: “how many Moslems do you know?” or “you’ve been an immigrant yourself, so how can you be against immigration?” I kept insisting “this is not about me, this is about politics”, but he only shut up when I told him that I knew a lot more Moslems than he did, which he had forgotten in the heat of argument. This is probably a consequence of the de-masculinization of society: everybody argues like women, unable to understand arguments that aren’t personalized. The only… Read more »

Bill
Bill
Reply to  Felix Krull
3 years ago

Likewise regarding race: I’ve noticed that the degree of admiration people express for Blacks is inversely proportional to their actual experience with them. I recently had an acquaintance condemn me over my race-realist views concerning Blacks. Turns out he’s never actually known or worked with one.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Felix Krull
3 years ago

Z has mentioned this and I agree 100%.

Tell people that their children or grandchildren will be minorities in your country. They’ll pretend that they don’t mind, but the majority will feel fear.

Btw, this doesn’t work on young people. They think that a glorious future awaits whites as a part of a multi-culti paradise.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

These days, holding a clearance leads to an even dumber eternal game of, “Simon Says,” than all the Beer Flu guidance.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
3 years ago

Yeah, but it’s guaranteed job security for the upper middle class. No Indian is going to take your tech job.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

Citizen: Highly ironic, because everyone and his brother has a security clearance. I used to have a number of them above top-secret, but it was generally meaningless. The problem is no one’s clearance is ever revoked, and every bureaucrat and politico from every past administration has his clearance automatically renewed ad eternum. I really don’t know how you continue to survive in the belly of the beast. I grew up in the DC burbs and I loathed all the smug, narrow-minded automatons. There’s a ton of reasons I’ve never gone to a single high school (or college, although it’s hundreds… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  3g4me
3 years ago

It’s tough. Luckily, I moved away from Arlington, which is truly the belly of the beast, but I’m still in the orbit. Because of their connection to DC, these conservative and libs might be the worst in the country. Sure, San Francisco and NYC are bad, but their jobs and place in the managerial class aren’t directly based on the government. These people are, so they love it. Btw, my security clearance people aren’t military or intelligence, just working for defense contractors. I do know one guy who’s fairly high ranked in the military. Toughest guy you’ll ever meet, real… Read more »

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

Those who claim to be “colorblind” and don’t seem to understand their own mating and migratory habits, have these beliefs for another reason. They believe that low-educated, “ignorant redneck” types are the ones who believe there are race differences. The last thing they want is to share beliefs with this group, which they despise, and would be horrifying to be lumped together with them.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Wolf Barney
3 years ago

Agreed. It’s a class thing. The managerial class holds a special hatred for working-class whites. They are terrified of being associated with them. Even the very small number of the managerial class who came out of the working class seem to hate them. The open disdain that the managerial class shows for working-class whites is astonishing. They’ll praise hard-working Hispanics and black moms struggling to get by all day, but if you bring the troubles of working-class whites, it’s nothing but “dumb hillbillies” or “maybe they get off the oxycontin.” And that’s gentle compared to what you hear about Southern… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

The only diversity in Arlington is the servant class Here in Copenhagen, the posh neighborhood is Hellerup, about 10 miles north of town. So you have one of these perennial political kvetch-fests on how to spread the enrichment around and the mayor of Hellerup righteously argues that his township is as diverse as anything in Denmark, so please to house the Syrians somewhere else, thank you. Except their diversity are all Filipino “au pairs” which is to say nannies and maidservants that you’re not obliged to pay a minimum wage because they’re here, not as guest workers, but to learn… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
3 years ago

she still speaks of her hosts with great warmth.

And just a little detail pertaining to the point above about feminization: the father in the family she was with, played rugby.

(Like joggerball but without body armor.)

Gedeon
Gedeon
Reply to  Felix Krull
3 years ago

Not that it matters, but having played both, rugby has a scrum and operates with a different tempo than American football. Rugby does not have an equivalent to the safety, in American football, taking a full-sprint free-shot on a receiver running a pop, drag or slant route. The head trauma and opioid addictions in the NFL are very real and all of the fancy protective equipment can’t prevent the innumerable injuries. That American football is a pozfest takes nothing away from the sport. It was a great sport in Starr’s time and would still be a great sport today if… Read more »

Peabody
Peabody
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

I once, probably unwisely, got into a conversation with my hairdresser about diversity and asked her to tell me what she thought was so great about it. She said, I shit you not, “Whites are boring”. So I asked her if she believed that then why did she move into my 98% White neighborhood instead of somewhere in the vicinity of MLK Blvd, Rosa Parks Blvd., or even Cesar Chavez Blvd. (this is Portland – it’s only a matter of time before Washington St. is renamed George Floyd Blvd. Need I mention there is also Harvey Milk Street downtown? My… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Peabody
3 years ago

Peabody: Since (as you and I both know) most women are emotionally incontinent and highly irrational, and love to jabber about utterly inconsequential things that are terribly important to them, and a hairdresser has to listen to that and interact with those sort of people all day, the profession probably self-selects for the type. My last one was a wizard with color, but she was literally an active member of the Socialist Workers Party. She was also of entirely Norwegian stock and she married a mulatto.

I’m still looking for someone new who doesn’t require the face diaper.

Gedeon
Gedeon
Reply to  Peabody
3 years ago

Cut your own hair.

FeinGul
FeinGul
3 years ago

Very good post.

Like this “ the narcotic of radicalism played out in the comfort of the gated mansion.”

Wit.
But What is to be done?

TomA
TomA
3 years ago

Psychosis used to be an individual phenomenon and treated like any medical malady by focusing on the singular person with the affliction. Then industrialization happened and our societies began manufacturing crazy people in huge numbers. Part of this was driven by the extinction of evolutionary culling, part driven by an environment dominated by way too much leisure time, part driven by the Pied Piper effect of professional hucksterism, and part by the emergence of parasitism as a replacement for genuine work ethic. A worthless person knows (at least subconsciously) that they are worthless and therefore must self-delude as a critical… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  TomA
3 years ago

> Can you imagine what it’s like to wake up one day and realize that you’ve taken on a few hundred thousand dollars of University debt and emerged with no useful or employable skills?

It’s worse than that. It’s one thing to take debt and learn new and profound things about the world, as financially silly as it is in this age. What they were taught was literally anti-knowledge that stunted their ability to actually survey and understand the world they live in.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Chet Rollins
3 years ago

Yes indeed. As strange as it may sound, most university students leave with fewer IQ points upon “graduation” than they had upon arrival. And this is the part that really amounts to rubbing salt in the wound. Most of these “students” are taking 5 to 6 years to get to graduation and accomplish that goal. And what do they have to show for it? Debt, wasted youth, increased stupidity, a truly screwed up view of the world (totally devoid of reality), and likely a few venereal diseases and abortions to boot. What a great start to life! It’s no wonder… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  TomA
3 years ago

Reminds me of an incident with my father that put it all in perspective. I was visiting him one summer while employed at the university. We began to discuss work—quickly getting to a Blue collar/White collar comparison—and he asked, specifically, what I did at the university.

I responded the normal drivel: write papers, teach classes, hold committee assignments. His response, “That’s what I mean—you don’t do anything!”. 😉

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Compsci
3 years ago

Most corporate jobs are nothing but endless paper pushing and empty, petty office politics.

No one is going to care about that memo you sent or change notice you signed next week, much less five years, unless their goal is to cancel you.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
3 years ago

Wild Geese – I had to stop by my hubby’s office this morning for the first time in a couple of years. Whereas before there’d always be a gaggle of ‘working women’ out front (on a coffee or smoke or bitch break), this time it was pleasantly empty. Same with the building’s inside lobby. Same with the office itself (his employer is looking to sub-let at least half the space, as they just don’t need it any more).

Pozymandias
Reply to  3g4me
3 years ago

The destruction of the female dominated “office culture” will certainly have to go down, along with the end of the idiotic demolition derby of rush hour, as one of the few positive things the Coof Panic-demic brought.

B125
B125
3 years ago

Off topic but: you just can’t escape it.

Was at the coffee shop this morning and a lovely white family came in and sat down. For once the man was actually kind of alpha and they had 2 blond daughters maybe 12 and 8.

I realized that loud rap music was blaring over the sound system, being soaked up by the little girls. Some monkey “rapping” jungle noises is trying to teach those girls to be whores, even at a place as innocuous as the coffee shop.

There is no escaping the evil system. And they’re after your kids.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

Whites should boycott any establishment that plays rap. But they won’t because rejection of that savage anti-music is rayciss, and they can’t have that, by gawd.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 years ago

About 25 years ago my wife and I walked out of a club and I commented to the hostess on the way out that it would have been nice if they played one single song by a White person. The wide-eyed shock on her face made my day.

The jogger music in the clubs has only gotten worse, I imagine.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Vizzini
3 years ago

Lord help you if you live around Puerto Ricans. They will insist that you have no escape from their God-awful African knockoff music, 90% of which uses the exact same drum track. The fact that they never get sick of listening to what is essentially the same song clearly says something about their intellect.

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

Ask the proprietor/ staff to turn it off.

When I visit my range, you can always tell who is working by the music: one guy always plays death metal (loudly), another guy does 80’s music and a bunch like Tony Bennet and Sinatra.

If I have my wife or boys with me, I just ask them nicely to change the channel. The staff invariably laugh, because they are not jerks and clearly heavy guitar and a guy screaming “DEATHHHHH, F$#@!!!!!!!!!” is not exactly family friendly.

Last weekend, they were playing Dean Martin singing “Hey Mambo” when I walked in.

Hi -Ya!
Hi -Ya!
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

And people mock the Catholic Church for its Legion of Decency and its banned books!

Reynard
Reynard
Member
3 years ago

The Positive Thinking Movement is very much a Bourgeois fantasy that aids in the delusions, and inculcates “false consciousness.” It started in the corporate sector as a way to indoctrinate the middle management and groundfloor laborers to be happy about the scraps they were receiving. “If you are laid off or given a pay-cut, don’t be a negative-nelly, look at this as an opportunity!” The seminal work is “Who Moved My Cheese?”, a book which compares you the reader to a lab rat in an experimental maze searching for itinerant cheddar. In the parable, all accountability is placed on the… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Reynard
3 years ago

Although I never read that book, these types of books traditionally spawn a couple sequels, a box set of CDs or (really going back in time) cassettes to listen to while you drive or jog, a customized calendar and pen set, and so on. The really successful (viz. Suze Orman) get a radio or TV show.

Just for laughs, I looked up the title on Amazon. I was working for comic effect above, but in fact, there were a “Who Moved My Cheese for Kids” and “Who Moved My Cheese for Teens.” 🙂

Pozymandias
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
3 years ago

What about “Who Moved My Cheese for Workplace Shooters”? Seriously, they showed the WMMC film to us at work when the company I worked for was losing its government contract. We all thought it was hilarious and joked about the obvious attempt at brainwashing. Things like that really show the contempt the upper class has for the cubicle drones.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
3 years ago

The fact that SSSniperwolf has 29 million plus subscribers on her utterly tarded YouTube channel is proof we are doomed.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
3 years ago

Have to say, one of the blessings of getting older is that seeing some tw(*)t with a tight shirt just doesn’t grab my attention the way it used to.

Now it’s mostly “my god, she gets paid how much for this?”

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

Something must be wrong with me because middle age hasn’t deflected my gaze from tube-topped tatas one bit.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
3 years ago

There’s a really weird aspect of American culture in the 20th century. It’s the elevation of social status in victimization. We celebrate victims, find them morally superior, and insightful. And it doesn’t matter what they are victims of. Unfortunate circumstances, tragic accidents, violent predators, their biology, their own choices even imaginary factors. All provide social cache as long as the person feels harmed in some way. Which is especially odd as this era has been the best ever for human welfare. We have been healthier, more prosperous, freer etc than at any point in time before us. And yet, we… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
3 years ago

Older cultures assumed if tragedies constantly hit someone, they somehow deserved it or pissed off the gods in some way and should be avoided. While also not terribly healthy for a society either, it’s better than what we have now.

More often than not the reason bad things keep happening to a person is because that person is doing idiotic stuff.

Bill
Bill
Reply to  Chet Rollins
3 years ago

“More often than not the reason bad things keep happening to a person is because that person is doing idiotic stuff.”

That was certainly true of the people at the homeless shelter I worked at: they remained homeless not because of barriers to their advancement or lack of opportunities to advance, but because of the kind of people they were (mentally ill) and how they acted (crazy-dysfunctional)

Reynard
Reynard
Member
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
3 years ago

There is a particular group of people who have inspired this subverted victimhood hierarchy. Their entire religion is essentially a victimhood narrative. Nearly all their holidays open up old wounds and inculcate a bitter “us vs the world” perspective. They have claimed the last century as their own, and its not hard to see why.

Karen not a Karen
Karen not a Karen
Reply to  Reynard
3 years ago

The joke among Jews is all the holidays boil down to “They tried to kill us, G-d saved us, let’s eat.”

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
3 years ago

We celebrate victims, find them morally superior, and insightful. And it doesn’t matter what they are victims of.

I’d venture it’s a result of late-stage Judeo-Christianity. Jesus was a victim so being a victim is a bit like being Jesus.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Felix Krull
3 years ago

Somehow, they keep forgetting that Jesus forgave his murderers instead of treating them to a diversity seminar. Truly, he was the son of God.

Reynard
Reynard
Member
Reply to  Drew
3 years ago

No, Jesus told the Pharisees that they would face the wrath of the Romans which they did ( in a parable, Jesus likens himself to the cornerstone of a temple which once removed would collapse the entire structure down upon them). He “forgave” the Romans who nailed him to the cross for they knew not what they were doing. They were carrying out the bidding of the Rabbinical order who condemned him in the first place.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
3 years ago

What I hate about our victim hood mentality is that it seems I’m many cases to stymy progress wrt to overcoming adversity and moving on in life, as victim hood is the highest “good” or “status” obtainable these days. When I was young and growing up before this madness set in, the typical response I got as a young child was to grow up and stop crying. In short, life sucks, deal with it.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Compsci
3 years ago

True. Calling somebody a crybaby today could result in hate crime charges.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
3 years ago

Dino – Oh, there used to be social cachet among 18th and 19th century English/American women based on physical illness (real, or more often imagined). The ‘victim’ of ennui, of wealth, fancied herself a poor, woebegone sufferer of crass materialism. The society matron who suffered fainting spells because she laced her corset too tightly was vying with the genuine poor dying of consumption (tuberculosis). Many would even ape the symptoms (pale cheeks, bright eyes) because they were considered highly attractive.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
3 years ago

Victimhood confers real benefits, too. College students claiming some half-baked disability get all sorts of preferential treatment on test-taking, and being “handicapped” gets one all of the best parking spots. In the past, nobody wished to be thought handicapped. Nowadays, every third car has one of those damned handicapped cards hanging from the interior mirror.

Bill
Bill
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 years ago

“Nowadays, every third car has one of those damned handicapped cards hanging from the interior mirror.”

And all it takes to get one is to find a doctor to certify that you have a handicap. No requirement to specify the nature of it or supply proof.

Like getting disability payments from the Gov’t; though that requires two doctors.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Bill
3 years ago

Which is a good reason to play along and get a tag yourself. Watch the scolds go apoplectic as you happily park right by the door.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
3 years ago

Words of St. Friedrich the Syphilitic 😀

” [T]hose who do not wish to be answerable for anything, or blamed for anything, and owing to an inward self-contempt…, when they write books, are in the habit of taking the side of criminals, a sort of socialistic sympathy is their favorite disguise.”
— Beyond Good and Evil (1886), 21

A prescient man, Ja?

Gedeon
Gedeon
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
3 years ago

It’s the Disney template and we’ve consumed it longer than most realize.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
3 years ago

Listening to a few minutes of the clip, they sound like stale old-guard liberals who don’t realize they have been passed over for a new era. In a way, they have the same delusions as the conservative gun people, the idea that the people will all of the sudden rise up and destroy their oppressors. The only difference is whether their oppressors are the capitalists or the socialists. Like the normie right, he hasn’t realized he’s expecting a fairy tale that never happens. Instead, the left-elite has successfully unshackled the chains of economic progressivism in favor of wokism and corporate… Read more »

Stranger in a Strange Land
Stranger in a Strange Land
Reply to  Chet Rollins
3 years ago

Listened to a few random minutes of the clip also.
The bald talking head said something to the effect that the Left is more concerned about celebrating themselves rather than actually being effective. That statement I tend to agree with.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Stranger in a Strange Land
3 years ago

Most people, as far as I can tell, conflate emotion with reality, in that to feel something is the same as being something. They perceive no quantifiable difference between feeling virtuous and being virtuous. Thus, the power of words is that it can make people feel something and in so doing make them believe they’ve become something.

Bill
Bill
Reply to  Drew
3 years ago

Like Blacks are fond of saying: “Do ya feel me?”

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Bill
3 years ago

Not with a 39-and-a-half-foot pole, Ja’Covidio’us.

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
3 years ago

Part of this “We’re in this together, and We are looking out for us” attitude has a lot to do what happened to the children of the middle class over the last 65 years. Most poorer ones remained working class, and grew up to become a new generation of Dirt People. The “smart” ones went to college where they all got inculcated with the communism by those who had The Big Plan. The colleges succeeded in training generations of shills and toadies for Globohomo, and I think at this point the only solution is to cut the student loans and… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Coalclinker
3 years ago

Charles Murray’s Coming Apart did a nice job of showing that phenomenon. Like the Inner Party, the modern establishment actually did (and still kind of does) a very good job of finding potential trouble-makers among the middle-class and working class of all races but, particularly, whites and elevating them to their own ranks, thus giving them a stake in maintaining the status quo. Starting in the 1960s with the SAT and then with other testing of young kids, smart kids were found and encouraged to go to college where they were indoctrinated in “right thinking,” took on the culture of… Read more »

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

The problem is, if smart people are not running our power grid, we all die. If smart & brave people are not promoted in our military, we die. If smart & ethical people are not rewarded for thrift, hard work and sacrifice, we get 2020 and 2021.

I Robot
I Robot
Reply to  Mow Noname
3 years ago

I sometimes wonder if the gamble our current ruling class is making is that human capital of all sorts, including intellectual capital, will be rendered negligible via AI and other fruits of the technological revolution. If so, they don’t need smart people from any ethnic group. But holding life and human-based intelligence cheaply might not work out for them. We’ll see.

B125
B125
Reply to  I Robot
3 years ago

I think their gamble is that they can get enough mental horsepower from talented tenth Indians and Chinese to keep things running. With Mexicans on the lower end doing blue collar work.

Will it work? Hard to say. Certainly not in a democratic system. Singapore kind of works. It also has a competent pro-Han government that doesn’t hate its dominant ethnic group.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  I Robot
3 years ago

Your suspicion wrt AI and robotics is most aptly illustrated by the US military and DARPA. For example, they are developing a robotic “suit” that personnel can wear which allows them (meaning women) to lift heavy objects for the purposes of loading and unloading supplies. Also, the military for some time now has been developing rifles which automatically sight in and in essence hit enemy personnel without much consideration to the soldier’s shooting skills.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  I Robot
3 years ago

They seem to exist under the delusion they will be able to rope enough productive people into the jabports and central bank digital currencies to keep their yachts, private jets, and beachfront properties running while the rest of us are unable to travel more than a mile from home.

These fools fail to understand that all those luxuries are as tied into the current global supply chains as anything else.

This why I’m pretty blackpilled about the short and medium-term, with guarded optimism for the long-term.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  I Robot
3 years ago

Response to B125 below: Yes, Singapore kinda works, but not in the way most Whites assume The giggling and very entitled Han office girls will disdainfully drop their coffee cups and old lipsticks on the ground, in the knowledge that a minimum wage Indian or Malaysian groundsman, grateful for the opportunity to live there and anxious not to lose his job or residency permit, will pick the trash up eventually so the White tourists can proclaim over how neat and clean everything is. There are lots of shiny luxury malls for the top 10% and the tourists, and the regular… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  I Robot
3 years ago

Singapore is also proof that “but muh restaurants!” works as a justification for multiculturalism outside the West. Although, to be fair, the food is pretty good.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Mow Noname
3 years ago

Totally agree, which is why I’m pessimistic for the short and medium term but optimistic the long term.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Mow Noname
3 years ago

A response to Compsci and Wild Geese:

42 loaded supercargo container ships in the Port of Los Angeles last Tuesday, with 15 more coming over the horizon.

Nobody to unload ’em. I had to wait, headed for sunken Philly now.

Maybe we could get some of those robot suits busy with the freight.

Heck some robot mechanics too, cuz they aren’t showing up either.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

Been there recently.

It’s not just the ships in the harbor, it’s the fact that there are tens of thousands of already unloaded containers stacked on top of each other as far as the eye can see.

It’s surreal. I don’t think it’s the lack of crane operators: it’s the lack of a logistical train to load them onto trucks/locomotives to clear out space for unloading.

B125
B125
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

I was probably one of those smart whites. The system is failing to integrate us now. I did go off to university like a good goy, but instead of sucking me into the system, it spat me out. By 2010 many Canadian universities in STEM were already packed with 3rd world aliens. Spending years around hostile tribes, like Indians (who don’t even wash), Chinese, Arabs, and Nigerians turned me racist. These aren’t the white washed 1%ers you see in white neighborhoods, these are savages direct from the slum. Similarly, upon graduation, just about every neighborhood and suburb in the Toronto… Read more »

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

The sad thing is, the Goodwhites can’t see it. They WON’T see it.

My leafy suburban paradise’ education factories spit out hundreds of Adderal addicted SJW every year, parents then spend a quarter of a million $ for them to take 5 years to get a degree in history or communications or political science.

None of these offspring can afford the property taxes on a typical house in my town, let alone a mortgage.

But this crowd is the first to crow about the need for “sustainability”.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

I am shamed. As an American.

Our literal brother- we would’ve been Greater Canada, had the Revolution failed, born of the same Mother- our most stalwart friend, and we did nothing, NOTHING. We didn’t even care enough to notice.

Bill
Bill
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

Citizen,

All true! Modern welfare democracies may be the first institutions to subvert evolution: creating an environment where the least capable among us not only survive, but thrive: out-reproducing everyone else.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Bill
3 years ago

Your observation is correct. But the problem is even deeper than that. While it’s probably not his monopoly, it’s one of Nietzsche’s themes. From the moment that man started providing aid to the weak, even feeling pity or showing mercy, he’d argue, we were acting contrary to Nature. Someone else even calls civilization a rebellion against Nature. We all have our religious or other ideals that tell us to value humans over non-humans, or close kin over strangers, etc. The horrible truth is that eugenics (favoring the successful over the failures in reproduction), culling the weak and the unfit (whether… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

I’ve read Coming Apart. As you describe above, especially after WW II, the cognitive elite, the cult of meritocracy, call it what you like, selected for the most intelligent of the population. We’ve forgotten what is perhaps the most important factor: economics. Increasing income disparity (compare the salary of “average” worker with top management). Generations ago, that average might have been 1:5 to 1:10 (blue collar: white collar). The playing field was more level in society and this went beyond mere incomes. Murray notes, the owner of the factory likely lived in the same town as his workers, just in… Read more »

Gedeon
Gedeon
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
3 years ago

Income disparity is an obsolete metric because it is a conversation about goal posts from decades ago. Why do you think Steve Jobs and all of the hyper-wealthy don’t care about their $1 salaries? Even the non-hyper wealthy are capped on ordinary income. https://www.inc.com/barbara-weltman/executive-compensation-deduction-tax-guide.html The reason we have extensive corporate share buybacks is to convert corporate EBIT into capital gains. If you are serious about non-kinetic tactics, liquidating stocks to buy anything physically real, of utility or enduring demand, is a very real action. Right now a case of imi 556 at midway is less than a roll of silver… Read more »

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
3 years ago

This essay pretty much sums up everything that is the American Branch of Globohomo.
The players are usually lily white, they never show pictures of the mansions they live in or private airplanes they own, and their daily existence consists of moaning and hissing sounds of them telling the Dirt People how they need to live.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Coalclinker
3 years ago

Baizuo speak like MLK, live like the KKK.

Severian
3 years ago

In my lighter moods, the thing I find funniest about all this is that bourgeois radicalism only really took off in America once we installed the self-esteem cult. Only when kids are taught practically from conception to “just be you” and “you’re awesome just the way you are!” do we see middle class kids frantically trying to convince themselves they’re on the vanguard of world-historical forces. Back in the bad old days, when we were all forced to be rigid conformists, a middle class person could live and die content, knowing that he had a decent paying, socially useful job… Read more »

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

The overproduction of elites is driven by the festishization of education, not democracy per se.

Which is derivative of the liberal enlightenment paradigm.

Basil Ransom
Basil Ransom
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
3 years ago

Universities certainly have a lot to do with it. Every revolution springs out of the fresh new classes graduating from the universities. Young Puritans with bold new ideas about how to read the Bible. Lawyers and clerks wanting the privileges of the French aristocrats. Bushmill Russian intellectuals wanting to makeover all of the autocracy so that they can look less backwards to the West. I think all these people are always not quite the elite. They feel like they don’t have the power so it makes them all the more eager to get it for themselves. Not power for power’s… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Basil Ransom
3 years ago

A great deal of Aryan/Nazi ideology sprang from German academia in the second half of the 19th and first third of the 20th centuries.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Basil Ransom
3 years ago

Seem to recall reading that the original Universities in the UK had guards at the walls to keep the students INSIDE.

(because of all the havoc they’d create in the surrounding areas).

Time to get back to the University roots.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
3 years ago

Most states have “education” enshrined in their state constitutions; for instance, California’s constitution mandates that half (!!) of the state budget be devoted to education.

These are the same people who fetishize “Democracy!”, too.

Self-licking ice cream cones. As Citizen brilliantly summarizes, the Beast System is nothing but interlocked, self-perpetuating, self-licking ice cream cones.

Gedeon
Gedeon
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

George Soros called it reflexivity long ago. It is a self-reinforcing social mechanism that is subject or amenable to emotional manipulation. If you read what he says and has practiced, you bring about the end not by logical actions but by magnifying and exhausting the gap between circumstances and reality.

The guy wrote a manifesto and few outside of finance have cared to read it and those I know of within finance rarely finish it because it is too philosophical and abstract for them.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
3 years ago

In ancient times (say, a century ago), a university education was relatively rare. It was possible for the smart, working man, to “work his way through school.” He paid for his own education. Sure, the rich then as now, sent at least sons to university. But more arcane fields were basically expensive hobbies. Your MA in American Literature was pretty useless, except perhaps for a teaching position. As time wore on, the GI bill and other funding sources (loans!) helped democratize the degree. Also, especially since the 1960s with the outlawing of overt racial discrimination, requiring a “degree” became increasingly… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

Agree with the overproduction of mediocrities who view themselves as something more important. But as I noted above, I think what’s causing the system stress today is the traditional problem of the establishment blocking out talented people – whites in this case – who really should be elite or, at least, valuable pieces of the establishment. Sure, there’s still room for white kids of the elite and the upper stretches of the managerial class, but smart working and middle class whites are finding themselves not only shut out of a path to managerial class but denigrated. Heck, even a few… Read more »

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

As I read Turchin, this is entirely consistent with his theory.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

Psaki is the poster child for the self-important mediocrities.

Severian
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

This is exactly it. Back in the days of crushing conformity (please note the sarcasm here), it was understood that “elite” really meant “elite.” Maybe it was fundamentally silly, like a pro athlete, but no one considered lawyers, doctors, and the like “elite.” Those were called “the professions,” and maybe they were a cut above farmers and auto mechanics, socio-economically, but those extra letters behind your name didn’t make you a genius without portfolio. More importantly, though a farmer and his doctor might move in different social circles (for the most part) they doctor wouldn’t look down his nose at… Read more »

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

In fairness to Turchin, I think he’d probably concede your point. If I understand his models/thinking correctly (which I may not), I don’t think it matters to him (or his models) whether “elites” are truly elite or not. What matters is their susceptibility/propensity to radicalization, based upon their disappointment relative to their expectations from society.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

He’s either brilliant or ridiculous.

“Cliodynamics?” Ooookkkkayyy…..

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Severian
3 years ago

Gotta disagree.

Bourgeois radicalism is something of a misnomer. It’s really intellectual radicalism – which traces back to the 19th century. It only donned the skin of bourgeois in the 50s-60s when the WWII era GI bill sent masses of young people, and then their younger siblings and offspring, to university in large numbers.

The self esteem movement is much younger. It really only began in the 1980s. I lived through its emergence and then dominance. The champagne socialists were already old hat at the time.

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
3 years ago

I knew that when public education convinced the students that they are “special”, their so-called rights would interfere with those of everyone else. The demarcation point of no return was:
When schools started banning anything with peanut butter in it for the ONE kid who was stupid enough to eat peanut butter.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Coalclinker
3 years ago

Haha

Somehow I’d forgotten about that hysteria.

In retrospect, it was a sign of the feminization of society. The prioritization of absolute safety over all other factors.

mmack
mmack
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
3 years ago

“The prioritization of absolute safety over all other factors.”

Expressed as “If I have a problem with something, no one can have it / participate in it!”

Stranger in a Strange Land
Stranger in a Strange Land
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
3 years ago

You are hereby awarded a trophy, and a medal for that comment about the self esteem movement.

Maus
Maus
Reply to  Stranger in a Strange Land
3 years ago

Education as an Operah set: You get an A and you get an A; everybody gets an A.
I remember when “special” was a euphemism for retarded, not a description of each and every student. Well, “Hey, scrot, plenty of ‘tards are livin’ a kick ass life.”

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
Reply to  Maus
3 years ago

“My ex-wife was a ‘tard. She’s a pilot now.”

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Severian
3 years ago

I dunno, from my youth I remember all those crusty fathers who were sent to the military and then had to find some job to support the woman he impregnated after coming home. Many if not most of them were miserable. You can see the archetype on TV and movies from the 1990s and before. Yes, they did their duty as a man and that’s respectable, but it created a distant and cold father figure that didn’t do anything to help the wife or raise the kids. I only knew a handful of fathers who seemed to enjoy themselves. Nowadays,… Read more »

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

No fault divorce and working moms really did a job on children in the 70’s and ’80’s.

Divorce turned off the dads and mom working turned off the love and attention.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

And the dames ain’t got it any better.

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Marko
3 years ago

You seem to understand nothing of the before times.

Home of the Brave
Home of the Brave
Reply to  Marko
3 years ago

To each their own. Not all remember those days as ones of crushing conformity. In fact, some find this era more conformist. But I suspect the cultural shift reflects the demographic shift introduced by the immigration in the late 1880s and early 1900s. The customs and traditions of heritage America possibly could only feel confining to those who came after. Much of the attack on ‘whiteness’ in this age is really an attack on the ethos and culture of settler America. The same will occur to the amalgam that defines itself as the ‘immigrant’ nation. They are on track to… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Home of the Brave
3 years ago

Nothing is so herd-like as the avant-garde. And today’s “society” prides itself on being avant-garde.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 years ago

Good point. As others have already pointed out in different words: We can’t all be special. “Avant-garde” literally means the vanguard or the advance guard. As a military term. But the military has a main body and a rear guard. To belabor the obvious, everybody can’t be point man. In other words, by the original meaning, it is logically absurd to say that all the soldiers could be avant-garde. The only sense I can conceive of would be a Towel of Babel situation. Unit cohesion, any sense of common purpose, was destroyed. So the individuals had no choice but to… Read more »

mmack
mmack
Reply to  Marko
3 years ago

I can only be a sample size of N=1, but my father, a WW2 veteran who “Saw some sh-t” in the ETO as a front line infantryman (and earned a Purple Heart for shrapnel wounds) seemed pretty darn happy to me, or at least content. The old man was a mix of Archie Bunker and Old Man Daley (Hizzoner Da Mare of Da Great Citya Chicagah in Chicagoese), and tried to orient me to the ways of the world before he passed too young. Of course it helped that he helped to build the greatest economy ever seen and got… Read more »

Maus
Maus
Reply to  mmack
3 years ago

You, sir, are describing my father as well; N>=2. And he was absolutely clear about the source of his peace and contentment: family. Everything for it, everything from it and nothing against it. Until we restore the nuclear family as the apex of culture, nothing can remedy what ails AINO.

mmack
mmack
Reply to  Maus
3 years ago

If your father saw service in WW2 or Korea, he, like my father, probably lived through The Great Depression. My paternal grandfather kept a roof over his family’s head and food on the kitchen table during all that, but just barely. My father related my grandfather could barely spare a nickel for a candy bar or a quarter for a movie. You stretch a dime to make a dollar when cash is short. And when jobless relatives that lost their house or apartment need to crash with your family while looking for work. So just as the economy starts looking… Read more »

Carl B.
Carl B.
Reply to  Marko
3 years ago

Crushing conformity? Let’s see. In the Fifties we had awesome Jazz, Rock ‘n Roll came into being, TV was a new, shared experience for millions, we had films that actually had intelligent, interesting actors and plots, art was still art, “Avant Garde” was really avant garde, sportsball players were not asked for their opinions on anything other than the game, we had a President who was a retired General who had actually won a war, black families still had fathers, we had newspapers that were actually literate, it was safe for children to play outside, we could hang a rifle… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Carl B.
3 years ago

I am a product of those 50’s and 60’s. I have few regrets and am more often surprised as to how my upbringing (I assume) has shielded me from today’s prevalent insanity. All those misguided and unenlightened things my parents did in my upbringing seem to have served me well in the long run.

Or perhaps it is simply Provenance. 😉

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Carl B.
3 years ago

I love early rock n roll, thanks to my Dad, and I appreciate the jazz of that period.

Nonetheless, the uptight white Christians who criticized Elvis and what he portended, were absolutely correct.

My interpretation is that our racial enemies had assumed almost total control of our culture in the 50s and executed their plans without opposition. And so, here we are.

The problem may not have been Chuck Berry or Miles Davis as artists, but those controlling our culture.

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
Reply to  Marko
3 years ago

They’re almost all gone now, but the WWII veteran fathers I knew, including my own, were not miserable. They loved providing for and raising their families. They were “crusty” because that’s a genetic factor for the Northern Europeans who used to be the majority. They built everything we have.

WJ16
WJ16
Reply to  Marko
3 years ago

You were on target until the “crushing conformity” statement. That was ridiculous. But the fathers of that generation kind of sucked at being fathers – hence the intolerable baby boomer generation that has FUBARed this country. They were good providers but chose to let the schools and the culture educate and mold their spawn.

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
Reply to  Marko
3 years ago

Some folks came out of normal families, while others have to deal with lots of interesting domestic situations. Life has always been like that. I came out of the latter, for when my father died we hadn’t spoken to one another for 21 years. I came out of it all with a long and successful career, so I say that’s how it is. You just have to put your big boy pants on and deal with it..

La-Z-Man
La-Z-Man
Reply to  Severian
3 years ago

Back in the bad old days, when we were all forced to be rigid conformists

Sarcasm, right?

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  La-Z-Man
3 years ago

The Silent Generation in my immediate family (teenagers in the 1950s) all take it as obvious that the 1950s were a nightmare of enforced conformity.

When I call the 1950s “The Good Ol’ Days” they think I’m a fascist. “You don’t know how bad it was to live then. Women couldn’t get abortions or high paying jobs. African Americans were oppressed.”

Perhaps these are these true feelings rather than brain washed responses. We may just have to leave them to their professed preferences when we separate.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
3 years ago

“You don’t know how bad it was to live then. Women couldn’t get abortions or high paying jobs. African Americans were oppressed.”

Stop! I’m getting all misty.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Vizzini
3 years ago

Interesting quote—and I acknowledge it began as sarcasm. Those things one decries not having back then are piss poor, as hoc “solutions” to modern pathologies that have been recently created with the growth and ascendancy of Leftist ideology. Women did not need abortion (as they exercise that “right” today), because they learned to keep their legs closed pending marriage. Women didn’t need outside employment as they need today because men were able to support the family on one (the man’s) income—and further, because women had a defined place in home and family, men were willing to take on the responsibility… Read more »