The Bridge Club Gets The Vapors

There is a lot to dislike about libertarians. In fact much of what makes libertarianism unpleasant is libertarians. Even so, there are some laughs to be had. This post as Marginal revolution is a good example.

Maybe less than you thought, at least after adjusting for other variables. The Economist reports:

In Sweden the age of criminal responsibility is 15, so Mr Sariaslan tracked his subjects from the dates of their 15th birthdays onwards, for an average of three-and-a-half years. He found, to no one’s surprise, that teenagers who had grown up in families whose earnings were among the bottom fifth were seven times more likely to be convicted of violent crimes, and twice as likely to be convicted of drug offences, as those whose family incomes were in the top fifth.

What did surprise him was that when he looked at families which had started poor and got richer, the younger children—those born into relative affluence—were just as likely to misbehave when they were teenagers as their elder siblings had been. Family income was not, per se, the determining factor.

That suggests two, not mutually exclusive, possibilities. One is that a family’s culture, once established, is “sticky”—that you can, to put it crudely, take the kid out of the neighbourhood, but not the neighbourhood out of the kid. Given, for example, children’s propensity to emulate elder siblings whom they admire, that sounds perfectly plausible. The other possibility is that genes which predispose to criminal behaviour (several studies suggest such genes exist) are more common at the bottom of society than at the top, perhaps because the lack of impulse-control they engender also tends to reduce someone’s earning capacity.

The original research, by Amir Sariaslan, Henrik Larsson, Brian D’Onofrio, Niklas Långström and Paul Lichtenstein is here, here is how the authors report the conclusion:

There were no associations between childhood family income and subsequent violent criminality and substance misuse once we had adjusted for unobserved familial risk factors.

There seems to be a trend in economics to take all controversial topics over to Scandinavia if possible. If it is race related, then South Africa is the place. Neither place is representative of anywhere else on earth. Sweden has one of the lowest crime rates on the planet. Maybe that’s why a lot of crime studies done by economists are done in Sweden or Norway. There are so few criminals, the researchers can pretend they are casting a wide net.

It also avoids the big taboos. Black crime is different from white crime. For instance, whites commit far more sex crime than blacks. Assault is also more common with whites than blacks. On the other hand, blacks commit many more murders. It gets even more thorny when you look at theft. Whites and blacks both prefer to rob white people, for example. When you bring Hispanics in to the mix, it gets more dangerous, because not all Hispanics are the same, no matter what the left claims.

As far as what causes crime, people have known since human settlement that criminals cause crime. There’s no fun in that as it takes real science and real intellect to tease out why criminals are criminals. You’re not doing that with Excel or a statistics program you barely understand. That leaves no room for economists to gas-bag about it.

Maybe less than you thought, at least after adjusting for other variables.  The Economist reports:

In Sweden the age of criminal responsibility is 15, so Mr Sariaslan tracked his subjects from the dates of their 15th birthdays onwards, for an average of three-and-a-half years. He found, to no one’s surprise, that teenagers who had grown up in families whose earnings were among the bottom fifth were seven times more likely to be convicted of violent crimes, and twice as likely to be convicted of drug offences, as those whose family incomes were in the top fifth.

What did surprise him was that when he looked at families which had started poor and got richer, the younger children—those born into relative affluence—were just as likely to misbehave when they were teenagers as their elder siblings had been. Family income was not, per se, the determining factor.

That suggests two, not mutually exclusive, possibilities. One is that a family’s culture, once established, is “sticky”—that you can, to put it crudely, take the kid out of the neighbourhood, but not the neighbourhood out of the kid. Given, for example, children’s propensity to emulate elder siblings whom they admire, that sounds perfectly plausible. The other possibility is that genes which predispose to criminal behaviour (several studies suggest such genes exist) are more common at the bottom of society than at the top, perhaps because the lack of impulse-control they engender also tends to reduce someone’s earning capacity.

The original research, by Amir Sariaslan, Henrik Larsson, Brian D’Onofrio, Niklas Långström and Paul Lichtenstein is here, here is how the authors report the conclusion:

There were no associations between childhood family income and subsequent violent criminality and substance misuse once we had adjusted for unobserved familial risk factors.

– See more at: http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2014/08/how-much-does-poverty-drive-crime.html#sthash.v6zQ8kNY.dpuf

8 thoughts on “The Bridge Club Gets The Vapors

  1. Definitely, Bill Jones. Lies, damn lies, and statistics. Blacks commit 30% of all reported rapes in the country. Incest is very high among blacks, and it is my experience around black women which is telling me that. Add to that step-father and momma’s boyfriend rape–extremely common–and statutory rape (huge.) Since the 25 yo male and 15 yo girl coupling represents the most common ghetto pregnancy it is simply ignored by the criminal justice system, and certainly never prosecuted. No one can compare statistics that do not exist.

    Perhaps they are counting john’s getting arrested in prostitution stings. That would work in favor of the white count. And kiddie porn, etc. Also, I expect that the white pederast may have everybody beat, so there’s that. At best it is a misleading stat.

  2. “For instance, whites commit far more sex crime than blacks. ”

    No, you cannot say that.

    There is the possibility (probability?) that sex crimes by whites are more commonly reported than those by blacks.

  3. “poor” families are typically because of one of two possible reasons: 1. divorced/seperated/never married thus headed by a single parent. 2. Two parents neither one smart or capable enough to rise out of poverty.
    Thus it would seem more likely to me that these two causes are why children commit more crime and “poverty” is just one of the symptoms and not the cause.

  4. Btw, I haven’t before read MR. But I do read Zerohedge, which has been a valuable resource for many things, when it is not complete rubbish. I can live with that. But I don’t know of a site which is so unhinged from consistency. Oh, yes, Libertarians.

    Sorry I missed your process of banning. It must have been beautiful. Maybe you could put up a sidebar of sites from which you have been banned.

  5. It’s also a bit like blonde jokes. We pile all the old ethnic jokes into blonde because it is assumed everyone wants to be blonde or own one, so no harm no foul.

  6. Gosh, no consideration of negative reinforcement, except by “the State” of course, “suddenly” (in the history time line) becoming “punishable by law”?

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