The Virtual Theater Returns

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One of the great truths of American politics is that for the last few generations one side has been motivated by dreams of destroying their enemies, while the other side dreams of befriending the enemy. The people we call the Left in America are the former case and this is their primary definition. Their ideology changes, but the one constant is their desire to clear the field of their enemies. The other side is the Right, which exists to find some sort of accommodation with their friends on the Left.

This impulse to seek a compromise is why American politics has followed a familiar pattern since the Civil War. The Left proposes some novelty and the Right resists, always trying to reason with them. In the end they always cave. As Robert Lewis Dabney observed a century ago, “it (conservatism) demurs to each aggression of the progressive party and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation.”

In the main, this is a good way to describe the political dynamic, but this relationship has had a strange effect on people. The selection pressure for both camps has molded generations of Americans. On the Left, of course, the pressure had been in favor of a feminine histrionics. On the Right, the pressure has been in favor of those who are sure there is some right answer to every trouble. They just need the right guy to say the right words so the kingdom of heaven will open.

We are seeing this with the Twitter story. In the early days of the internet, there was little moderation as no one wanted it. Early adopters liked that it was a place where they could experience heterodox opinion. This openness drove technological innovation and helped make the internet a part of civic life. This is why the Left felt it needed to take control of it. They saw the internet as another institution that they must control in their war on normal society.

As the harpies gained control of Twitter, the so-called conservatives demurred to each new aggression, making angry noises while acquiescing. They supported free speech but demanded the end of anonymity. They supported free speech, but not hate speech, whatever that means. Every “defense” of principle included an important concession to the other side, in the hope of finding a middle ground. Conservative principles are always just a retreat from those principles.

Now we have Elon Musk buying Twitter. Musk has claimed to be a free speech absolutist who is buying the company to open it up again. He has closed on the company and will take it private. It is unclear as to what he intends to do with it in terms of censorship, but he clearly wants his fans to think he will throw open the doors of the platform so it can be what it was ten years ago. Time will tell if he is willing to do what is required to make that happen, but that is the dream.

Here we see those conservative attributes that have been carefully evolved over the last century or so. The first of which is the savior complex. Conservative people have been sure that what they need is a great man who not only has the ability to make conservative arguments, but the courage to do so. The same enthusiasm that put Trump in the White House is what will flood Twitter with new signups. Elon Musk is here to save us from the Twitter mobs.

Another attribute, the most destructive, in fact, is the conservative desire to mix it up with the Left. The reason Twitter exists is otherwise normal people are compelled to interact with people who hate them and want them dead. To be a conservative is to lie awake at night dreaming of left-wing approval. The right argument from the right guy will cause lefty to throw down his arms and embrace you as a brother. Twitter exists so conservatives can beg the Left for forgiveness.

This is obviously true, but conservatives cannot accept it. Gab has been up and running since 2016 and it offers what conservatives claim they want in a platform. Even better, it is free from the deranged lunatics that have ruined other platforms. Conservatives dismiss it because they say it is an echo chamber, by which they mean it lacks the people they claim to hate. They avoid alternatives to Twitter because they want to beg lefty for forgiveness and those platforms do not provide it.

The other conservative quality on display with the Twitter story is the desire to win the approval of the mobs. The same lack of self-worth that drives the conservative to beg lefty for attention is there in their love of the mob. Conservatives are sure if they can get a clear shot on stage, the crowd will reward them with flowers and applause. In a prior age, they would crawl on their belly to be on left-wing television or land a speaking gig at a university. Now they just want to be on Twitter.

Back in the old days, conservatives would argue that they had to be on far-left television shows in order to reach an audience. Today they claim they have to be on far-left internet platforms in order to reach an audience. In Dabney’s time, northern conservatives said they needed to speak with progressive newspapers in order to reach the broader audience. In reality, what the conservative wants is the approval of the Left and there is no limit in how far he will degrade himself to get it.

Twitter is American politics at is most basic. Since Gettysburg, politics in American has been a theater show. The Left hustles everyone inside the theater and puts on a show about a victim or a villain. Sometimes they combine the two. The crowd is told about the plight of some victim group and is supposed to sympathize. Maybe they are warned about some villain, which is always the same villain. Old Scratch takes many forms and the producers of American theater use all of them.

At some point conservatives are brought onto the stage. They shuffle out in their comfort fit slacks and polo shirts. Their job is to dismiss the warnings about the villain or tell the victim to “pull yourself up by your bootstraps.” The crowd is supposed to boo and hiss, but that does not always happen. Often the villain is so ridiculous that the crowd just laughs about it. Other times the victim is too creepy and weird for the crowd to muster anything other than contempt.

Often, the Left brings out their secret weapon, the Hitler costume. The spotlight focuses on the right of the stage and there it is. Then the Left asks if anyone in the crowd will play that role. Sure enough, an idiot runs up, puts on the costume and does the Hitler act. The crowd then starts throwing cabbages and tomatoes at Richard Spencer as he prances around on stage. The conservatives freak out, run behind lefty looking for safety and the curtain falls. The show is over.

This was Twitter from its inception through the 2020 election. The problem is the producers went bonkers and burned down the theater. In that meeting with the board of directors, everyone realized they needed to rebuild the theater. Despite some moaning from the blue checks, the truth is they want the conservatives back in the theater as much as they want to perform for them. The privatization of Twitter is going to be the rebuilding of the virtual stage of political theater.

Time will tell with regards to Musk and Twitter. He will quickly learn that he must obey the rules of Apple and Google with regards to speech. Maybe he has had some sort of conversion and he will go to war over it. Most likely he will compromise in order to get their approval. This will titivate the conservatives, who will see in his capitulation the stamp of approval for their capitulation. Twitter will go from a woke site to a woke site full of conservatives begging the woke for acceptance.


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Anonymous Fake
Anonymous Fake
2 years ago

There’s always the theory that the American right does in fact win arguments in the long run, but this is always nullified by yet another boatload of immigrants to prop up the declining liberal population. Europeans didn’t do that, but rather the right tended to get itself killed in meaningless brother wars.

Sometime in this century the world’s population will stabilize and the argument by immigrant strategy won’t work anymore on average. It’s going to be a completely new era of politics.

Steve (retired/recovering lawyer)
Steve (retired/recovering lawyer)
2 years ago

Thought No. 1: Lefties will weep and wail, but will remain on (or soon return to) their Twitter home. They can’t build another platform to compete, just as the conservatives (of whatever subspecies) foundered in every attempt to create a competing platform. Besides, lefties are as much creatures of habit as anyone else. Moreover, they understand that, under the rules of engagement, they will eventually retake control, as we all know that unless Twitter stands forthrightly and explicitly conservative, the platform will gradually migrate left. No. 2: Understanding that many on teh dissident right never expressed support fo the opinions… Read more »

Wildgoose
Wildgoose
2 years ago

It appears the West is talking of “red lines” and military action, directly threatening the sovereignty of the Solomon Islands: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/26/us-wont-rule-out-military-action-if-china-establishes-base-in-solomon-islands “One of the most senior US officials in the Pacific has refused to rule out military action against Solomon Islands if it were to allow China to establish a military base there”. “Of course, we have respect for the Solomon Islands sovereignty, but we also wanted to let them know that if steps were taken to establish a de facto permanent military presence, power projection capabilities, or a military installation, then we would have significant concerns, and we would… Read more »

Geezer The Geezarian
Geezer The Geezarian
Reply to  Wildgoose
2 years ago

Chutzpah. This regime is waging war against Russia as it did exactly what they are claiming to do themselves.

Anson Rhodes
Anson Rhodes
2 years ago

My guess is that Musk will push the reforms too far too fast and the left will move to another platform, leaving Twitter a shadow of what it used to be. The bigger issue is why the harpies of the left came to power so easily? Seems the gentlemen on the right have yielded out of an archaic sense of gallantry, decency, and indulgence towards the weaker members of society with the result that the weak are now *running* society. Society has become so henpecked that nothing can function anymore without approval of the left, as we all know. Thing… Read more »

Vegetius
Vegetius
2 years ago

It seems unwise to cede ground before we’ve at least probed it.

I say coordinate to seize and hold space on the platform, establish a toe-hold from which to launch a campaign of groomer removal. Unite the camps on that one non-negotiable MORAL issue.

Then grab Musk by the belt and hold on.

Professor Alfred Sharpton
Professor Alfred Sharpton
2 years ago

I’d suggest putting the Alaric artwork on the next run of merch

fakeemail
fakeemail
2 years ago

Conservatives always have to seek the approval and legitimacy of the Left because the Left has controlled the narratives and the stories for so long. All the great moral forces, all the heroes, and all the cool kids are “liberals.” They own “legitimacy.” Conservatives have been BF Skinner-ed into masochists deathly afraid of being “racist” and craving the “superior” touch of approval from the “Great Liberals.” George Lincoln Rockwell had conservatives pegged way before Z-man: “But I reckoned without any knowledge of the human content of the ‘right-wing’. From the millionaires to the scared little people who attend the endless,… Read more »

Bilejones
Member
2 years ago

Your timing couldn’t be better on the merch. All of Europe is eschewing the letter Z because of the Russian Connection.
Well done.

Sid
Sid
Reply to  Bilejones
2 years ago

A Z hoodie. A line has been crossed, lolz.

BeAprepper
BeAprepper
Reply to  Sid
2 years ago

Yeah, Z is ambigous. Something more subversive. More subtle.

Zulu?

Da Da dit dit?

We need a secret handshake too, for when we spot a Zulu person on the street!

legioinvictus
legioinvictus
2 years ago

Hey Zman – What are your thoughts regarding DeSantis for 2024? I’m cautiously impressed with his willingness to fight against the progressive onslaught but still have concerns on who is backing him.

Have you considered a podcast on his sudden rise in Republican politics? Who owns him? We know that he is controlled by the money brokers and elites. So, why is he looking to be the 2024 guy. I’m suspicious and am curious as to what you think is really going on.

Mis(ter)Anthrope
Reply to  legioinvictus
2 years ago

He is owned by the neo-cons. He actually held a Florida legislative session in Israel. I cannot support him for that reason.

Kykie McHeebe
Kykie McHeebe
Reply to  Mis(ter)Anthrope
2 years ago

Jerusalem, Israel – Today, Governor Ron DeSantis and members of the Florida Cabinet held a historic ceremonial meeting at the United States Embassy in Jerusalem. The meeting served as a chance for the Governor and Cabinet members to exchange best practices and hear from Israeli leaders on issues of mutual interest to Florida and Israel.

https://www.flgov.com/2019/05/29/governor-ron-desantis-leads-historic-ceremonial-meeting-with-florida-cabinet-members-at-the-u-s-embassy-in-jerusalem/

Just the kind of thing to give the Jew haters the vapors.

BeAprepper
BeAprepper
Reply to  Kykie McHeebe
2 years ago

Beggars can’t be choosers, guys.

Who else we got? Trump or DeSantis. Tucker?

Miami, an outpost. Berkley Springs? A Modern day Constantinople is what we need.

Maniac
Maniac
Reply to  Mis(ter)Anthrope
2 years ago

If you wait for a candidate who checks off all of the right boxes, you’ll be waiting for a long time. The good outweighs the bad.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
2 years ago

Growing up, I thought I must be a liberal because people who leaned that way were always reaching out to me in friendship, but I’d always end up at odds with them. Meanwhile, conservatives always seemed suspicious of me. I think the common thread was that I’m willing to fight. Lefty thought I must be his sort, only to find otherwise. Conservatives were unsettled by the idea of actually trying to win and dominate. I despised them back then, too. Took me until well into adulthood to figure out I must’ve always been a man of the right, just not… Read more »

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

There is a path to our side of the great divide through conservatism. I was once there. I remember watching Fox News, believing in voting, thinking there was a way to meet in the middle. It was beaten out of me over the years through real life experience. Then, as ZMan has often pointed out, once you see it, you cannot un-see it. Your view of the world is forever changed. I do believe my conservative friends can be saved and pushed to our side. I see them moving closer every day. They are coming to grips with the reality… Read more »

FrumBubbaWithLuv
FrumBubbaWithLuv
2 years ago

OT:

I was a fly on the wall for a second time and now a believer in what follows. The pusch toward renewable energy sources and also electric vehicles is driven by futures in copper metal. It’s considered a hedge against inflation by at least two MNC/Fortune Tens. On information and belief, this is why the California leadership cadre is playing strict against the adiabatic cycle. They expect to profit off the swing in copper for the EV chargers and hedge against weimer hyperinflation. 0.02

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  FrumBubbaWithLuv
2 years ago

I don’t think it is quite that simple.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rivian-ceo-warns-looming-ev-161805505.html

Another Green New Deal fiasco in the making. Ideology vaults ahead of capability, and in the offing undercuts proven technologies employing fossil fuels while imposing huge costs and burdens upon the society that it can ill afford.

Christopher Chantrill
Christopher Chantrill
2 years ago

Actually, the difference makes sense. The Left believes that the royal road to justice is politics. But, “There is no politics without an enemy.” Therefore anyone that resists the March to Justice is an enemy and must be destroyed. The rest of the world takes Mr. Brooke’s position, that you don’t want to “go too far.” And the rest of us are reluctant to decide that people that disagree with us are the enemy. Because we don’t believe politics can much more than stop the Nazis and the Commies. Tell you what. If we could only get a majority of… Read more »

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
2 years ago

“ One of the great truths of American politics is that for the last few generations one side has been motivated by dreams of destroying their enemies, while the other side dreams of befriending the enemy. ” I remember trying to choke down that red pill ten years ago. The only way I managed was that the lefties in my hive were going batshit crazy, and my only choice was to take that pill…or go nuts with my hive mates. Normies with less dire choices will have a much, much harder time with that. This red pill only makes sense… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Glenfilthie
2 years ago

In defense of them (I seem to have the “liberal” gene at least when it comes to playing devil’s advocate): Social media giants, and for largely the same reason credit card systems, seem to be anti-free speech. And to varying extents, they are. But consider that there are dozens of nations they operate in, and widely varying standards of what is acceptable speech. To give you an example, simply consider what is sometimes discussed here or in even more no holds barred sites, like Unz or …. It is no exaggeration that such “hate speech” would at the least risk… Read more »

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
2 years ago

If they were remotely liable for anything on their platforms then the TOS policies would be evenly enforced to make sure everyone only talks about puppies and whatever the latest HBO TV drama is. In practice they let leftists endlessly spew hate speech and calls for violence, so it’s pretty obvious that the purpose of social media is propaganda and demoralization against their ideological enemies, not apolitical corporate profit-seeking and risk management..

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  Glenfilthie
2 years ago

GlenFilthie – best comment I’ve read in quite some time. I could not agree more.

“This red pill only makes sense if you are having your nose rubbed in the alternative.”

This is exactly what happened to me.

“Today they are just too far gone, and I hate them right back and want to see them dead too. A fair Twitter platform is not going to change that. This culture war can only end by cracking skulls and stretching necks, I’m afraid.”

Could not have said it better myself. Well played.

DFCtomm
Member
2 years ago

Twitter existed so that I could tell morons that they should protect their society, that they hate, because without it someone was going to put a bullet in their head and take all their stuff.

mderpelding
mderpelding
2 years ago

A lot of this has to do with Christianity. Originally, sin was considered inescapable. One could never live without sin. Then, sin became something to avoid at all costs. I recall conversations regarding guns. The latter Christians stating they would never kill, even if their families were at risk. So they would rather watch their loved ones being assaulted than sinning by killing to protect their families. I call these people “moral narcissists.” This also describes your typical conservative. The average conservative will sacrifice everything that matters, as long as they can prove their goodness. The left understands this implicitly,… Read more »

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  mderpelding
2 years ago

Hmmmm. Not sure I’d agree. My Christianity is about redeeming sinners. You have to make the honest effort to do that, and it often cuts us like a double edged sword. The SJWs and the faggotry will see that as bigotry and hate speech and part of the eeeevil Christian Superiority Complex. The hardline conservatives will see that as trying to compromise with sin and perversion. The Bible is not a suicide pact. Most Christians I know see it as a call to repentance and sometimes it is heard. There are any number of queers and trannies that heard that… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Glenfilthie
2 years ago

I commented on this awhile ago. Failure to protect one’s family is more akin (IMO) to moral idiocy or ignorance than narcissism.

Perhaps the Old Testament is out of fashion, but

“Leviticus 19:16 Do not go around slandering your people. Do not stand by while your neighbor’s blood is shed; I am the LORD”
And
Exodus 20:13 “You shall not murder”

Pretty much sums it up for me.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Glenfilthie
2 years ago

“I know see it as a call to repentance ”

So do I, and I have a list of actions that I’m prepared to repent for.

jrod
jrod
Reply to  mderpelding
2 years ago

I’d call them “moral eunuchs.”

Krustykurmudgeon
Krustykurmudgeon
2 years ago

If you were the American ruling class – would you in a way want to turn the clock back 55-60 years? It seems like you had high functioning institutions, a roaring economy and a lot more attractive girls (since this was before piercings and tattoos). Now it seems harder for the elite to get away with bullshit since the economy is so screwed up.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Krustykurmudgeon
2 years ago

Perhaps not. The ruling elite, say 60-100 years ago, had quite a duty to their communities. Most any town small, or large, has all sorts of public works and institutions named after their successful *fellow* citizens—hospitals, libraries, schools, etc—all in recognition of fulfillment of their “noblesse oblige”.

What the hell has Zuckerberg or Bezos (global-homo) done for you lately?

Vajynabush
Vajynabush
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

Zuckerberg has his name affixed to San Francisco General Hospital. No doubt he kicked in megabucks but I have no idea what improvements if any have been made.

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
Reply to  Krustykurmudgeon
2 years ago

You’re talking about a lost civilization, White America. This small hat%charging, morally bankrupt mudcoloney is life on another fuckin planet.

krustykurmudgeon
krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  Dennis Roe
2 years ago

assuming you’re talking about the tribe – they ran the country back in the 60s too. So them being in charge isn’t the problem per se.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Krustykurmudgeon
2 years ago

Look at the Gini coefficient. The ruling class have done very very well through the destruction they’ve wrought.

LB1901
2 years ago

theZman ™ is trapped in Lagos, and all I got was this lousy tee shirt.

TooScaredToBuyZHoodieMerch
TooScaredToBuyZHoodieMerch
2 years ago

Great poast. The Speaker’s Corner mirage around Twitter — a glorified bulletin board plug-in from 2004 — needs puncturing. The problem is the medium, not the quality/degree of message censorship. As Z correctly notes and as Torba consistently pointed out, it is the Google/Apple App Store that holds the whip hand in all Silicon Valley Nurse Ratched melodrama. Conservatives are too dumb to realize that the people have already spoken, and chosen this system. You reminded me of a not bad book from 2004 by Myrna Blyth, “Spin Sisters.” It’s a Regnery-style tract but it came out through a bigger… Read more »

JEB
JEB
2 years ago

I have a serious question for you Z: where are you going with all this? What I mean is, what are your goals? What end state do you think we should be trying to reach? Your posts are all pretty much the same: you display your vast insight into the inner thinking of both the Left and the Right to let us know what is really going on, but you have little to say about the most important question: “What is to Be Done?”. As an example of what I am talking about, there are racial separatists who advocate partitioning… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  JEB
2 years ago

A special courier shall come to you.

You will receive the necessaries to travel by chauffeur, to Gulfstream, to luxury speedboat.

The captain will have the passcodes to deactivate the laser sharks.

You will be escorted into the hidden volcano lair.

Avast! Once he has you trapped in the lava room, the nefarious Zman will gleefully explain to you in full, livid detail, his evil genius plan!
His masterwork of malice!

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  JEB
2 years ago

Nothing can be done. Our individualistic culture marinates us in the idea that we can move the needle if only we do (insert x). We just have to find out what variable x is that we have to do. In reality, humanity is a hive, and the hive itself has to collapse before the solution can be found. We’ve already spiritually collapsed, socially collapsed, intellectually collapsed, we’re just waiting for the final economic collapse as the last of the honey is eaten, and all wealth emptied out, consumed, and replaced with bond issues. This isn’t a black pill, just a… Read more »

DFCtomm
Member
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

The collapse is the renewal. We don’t like that because it means we’ll suffer and probably die in the transition. We want the change but want to keep our stuff, and that is improbable. Z bounces around a bit. He says things like “we aren’t going to vote our way out of this” but then leaves you to fill in the blanks. He does think institutionally, so it makes you wonder how he plans to work inside American institutions without any votes? He gives the impression that he has no use for democracy, and so what American institutions could be… Read more »

Johnny Anditmightbeasin
Johnny Anditmightbeasin
Reply to  JEB
2 years ago

I was thinking the same thing. I love Z’s insight on just about everything, but an article like this is such a gut punch for the right. I don’t see sitting back and waiting for total societal collapse to be the solution, even if that is most likely where we are headed. In the last month we’ve seen a couple of very promising developments. Disney seemingly had all the wealth and power in the world until they pushed their perversion just a little too far. Next thing you know they have lost a 55 year old sweetheart deal that they… Read more »

imbroglio
imbroglio
Reply to  JEB
2 years ago

Those who have keen insight into the psychological dynamics of cultural evolution don’t always have recommendations for political action or even know, in any detail, what they’d like to see. Z’s tone suggests to me an acceptance of the cyclical nature of empires in their rise and fall, accompanied by the humility of not imagining anyone can accurately predict the specifics of the fall. Economic collapse may be certain but the how, where, when and how severe effects are hard to predict. Here’s where the Left had and may still have the advantage in that organzing for future scenarios was… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  JEB
2 years ago

JEB, if you’re a guy who needs to be told what to do—step by step—then this blog is not for you. Perhaps reading from the government health sites is a better use of your time?

JEB
JEB
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

I’m a guy who thinks it’s generally a good idea to know where you are trying to go and have some idea how you might get there. Aren’t you?

To be honest, if Z were simply to say “I have no plans or goals, I’m just doing this for the lulz” I would consider that a satisfactory answer to my question. I’m guessing though some people here might be a bit disappointed.

Whiskey
Whiskey
Reply to  JEB
2 years ago

I am not Z but I have a plan. Party like its 1980. With the Good Mustache Man — Lech Walesa. Consider what he did — a series of rolling, constant strikes off/on from 1970 onwards over basic living and pay conditions under food inflation forced Jaruzelski into declaring Martial Law and destroying what legitimacy remained in Poland of the Communist Party, as the Regime became nothing more than a tool of the USSR. So massive food inflation? Check. Regime illegitimacy? Check. Limits on skilled labor vs. a strong back floating over the Rio Grande? Check. Real prices to be… Read more »

Mis(ter)Anthrope
2 years ago

A t-shirt and /or coffee mug with the word “Dissident” written on it.

Panzernutter
Panzernutter
2 years ago

Gab back under A list, I don’t believe in glitches….

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
2 years ago

Musk is to business what orange man is to politics…and business. He’s a huckster. You have to completely bifurcate what he says and what he does, as what he says is as flawed as Tesla accounting practices (See Q1 COGS). There is no there there with Musk. He’s the living embodiment of our unicorn economy, where no one will die of radiation poisoning on Mars. So when he says he wants to have a completely open platform, I read that, “If you verify yourself and give us your SSN, you’ll have special privileges.” This is a guy who sold full… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

Interesting take on Tim Pool. He touted the Lefty line for quite awhile, but now touts conservative talking points while professing he’s still a center Lefty. So what is he?

So much deception these days to wade through.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

I agree its going to be the start of the biometric online identity pushed under the guise of the all new FreeSpeech twitter.

Musk is just the man to pull through the normies into voluntary sign up. Its all about getting rid of the bots says Musk, but of course you are going to want to prove you are human to be part of the new Musk venture to stick it to the borg.

Just ignore the tie up with the other tech sites and the ISPs that will follow the online identity, cause Musk is definitely your guy.

Spingerah
Spingerah
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

Some times it’s OK to take people for what they are saying. Not everyone is lying & grifting all the time. If later you find otherwise they are added to the list. Constant edge is so tiresome.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Spingerah
2 years ago

True, not everyone is lying and grifting all the time. The people I mentioned are.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Spingerah
2 years ago

It’s hard not to be totally cynical these days.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

I’m trying to figure out what you really mean saying that 🙂

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

Going to disagree on Andy Ngo. I can’t think of another journo (indie or msm) who has done the reporting on Antifa crimes and its relationship to the corrupt justice systems where they’re allowed to operate with impunity. To bring it back to Twitter, Antifa orgs are allowed to organize on the platform and make death threats against their “enemies” with impunity while frog accounts that only post Bible verses get banned.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  RoBG
2 years ago

Got his bloody head bashed, he did. He’s one of ours.

Carl B.
Carl B.
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

Arch Neo-Con Mark Levin loudly and proudly announced his return to Twitter. It’s all so fake and gay.

Member
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

” Does Tim Pool really have your back or is he a gatekeeper running a con with his fake-ass saw mill employee look? Same with Cernovich. Same with Andy Ngo.”

Well, Ngo is gay, so ultimately no, he doesn’t have your back. Some betrayals are inevitable, even though I value some of his reporting. I’ve never paid attention to the other two.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Vizzini
2 years ago

FWIW, I dismiss Cerno out of hand as a supplement seller. I have no knowledge of Pool, but the fact that he wears a knit cap indoors in all seasons is maybe a little bit weird. Maybe he’s an autist? I understand that Ngo is gay, but to what extent does influence his reporting? My point is that nobody else is doing what he does reporting-wise in Antifa-land.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  RoBG
2 years ago

I thought Ngo began reporting on the hijinks because his family immigrated there and raised him in Portland.

That seems to suggest he has at least a basic sense of community and concern for what happens to it.

Panzernutter
Panzernutter
2 years ago

Anyone noticed no Gab under A list items today?

Member
2 years ago

“I have teamed up with a bunch of libertarians to start selling some branded items.”

You’ve teamed up with libertarians to sell merch and there’s no Official Zman Clown Horn? Wow, you really have sold out! 🙂

Also, some of that merch will get you locked up in Germany!

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Vizzini
2 years ago

A “Reason Magazine” bike horn would be perfect.

A bumper sticker stating :

“When you see a libertarian, punch him in the face. He’ll know why”. Would also be perfect.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Vizzini
2 years ago

“As heard on the Zcast!”

It’d sell itself.
Better yet, make it in rainbow colors!

Member
Reply to  Vizzini
2 years ago

I have been looking around for imprint Tchotchkes and I’ve been able to find stadium horns and bicycle bells (both mechanical and electronic), but I haven’t found one of those horns with the rubber squeeze ball — the classic clown/bike horn.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
2 years ago

I watch Musk’s acquisition of Twitter with slight interest. Here we have the world’s richest man apparently branding himself as the savior of free speech. Why do I remain dubious of his intent? 🙂 Re Zman joining the grift, more power to him! At least he’s open in his motives, at least what I see anyway. Go ahead and criticize him if you like. I would find it amusing, as some of the anti-vaxxers think Robert Malone is a plant, because he has ties to big government (and he’s quite open about his past and present connections). It’s always good… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
2 years ago

Regardless of intent, I’m not sure Elon, even with $100 billion+, has the financial firepower to defeat the forces aligning against him.

The problem is that Larry Fink at Blackrock has $13 trillion under management and has stated in writing that he wants to force companies into the Woke ESG cartel. He also has direct lines to JPow and the NY Fed.

This doesn’t even account for the trillions parked at State Street and Vanguard, who appear aligned with Blackrock’s ESG push.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

And somewhere, Madame Defarge is knitting . . .

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

At least one pundit is suggesting that Soros and crew need to short Tesla to $570 to force a margin call on Elon’s loan for purchasing Twitter.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/bonds-surged-bitcoin-purged-tesla-tanked-tech-stocks

Methinks we will soon find out if the Soros/Blackrock/NY Fed Death Star is indeed fully operational.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

They got a fair start today on TSLA – that was a bit of a beat down.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
2 years ago

Yes, the conservatives always growl menacingly, flash their claws and fangs, and then go hide under a bush. The leftward march is inexorable because resistance is confined to a bit of hissing and spitting. Can anybody think of a single policy or cultural innovation the Left has desired over the last 40 years that they didn’t get? Outside of the abolition of the 2nd amendment, the right hasn’t denied the Left sweet Fatty Arbuckle. That being the case, I agree with Z’s extrapolation to Twitter. There will be a temporary rollback of Leftist censorship, but in 10 years all will… Read more »

The Greek
The Greek
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

I disagree. There will be rollback, but the left will go after Musk with all their weapons. There are hit piece documentaries in the making. They’ve already indicated they’re going to use the state to look into all of his market moves. Show me the man, and I’ll show you the crime. They’re also going to try and break him financially. His purchase was made using 75% of his Tesla stock as loan leverage. If Tesla stock goes down, the debtors can use the call option and force him to sell some or all of those stocks, further forcing the… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  The Greek
2 years ago

If Musk’s financing is as you described, shame on him. What a monumentally stupid thing to do. So he’s basically buying Twitter on margin, and as others just noted, perhaps leaving himself wide open to a margin call he either can’t meet or one that will erase much of his net worth.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

The left has wanted high taxes on the rich and corporations. They had to settle for every rich person and corporation joining their culture. We win!

Driven
Driven
2 years ago

Excellent analysis, Zman. I often wonder what exactly is the driver behind the average conservative mans need for acceptance, pushing that capitulation to the left we’ve seen for so long..

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Driven
2 years ago

Conservative Man has bought the Left’s moral framework of isms and phobias–racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. When you do that, your only recourse is to argue that the Leftists are the true ists and phobes. Conservative Man seeks to out tolerate those who claim to be the soul of tolerance. In the process, he offers up all western norms and normal people to the pyre.

Enoch Cade
Enoch Cade
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

Bingo. There’s a very easy way to identify “Conservative Man.” Ask for his opinion on Abe Lincoln.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Driven
2 years ago

“I often wonder what exactly is the driver behind the average conservative mans need for acceptance, … .”

It’s the mass media. He consumes a steady diet of it and so does *everybody* he knows. So he thinks that *everybody* loves miscegenation and gay sex.

Oh, yeah, and Jake from State Farm.

orsotoro2011
orsotoro2011
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

“I often wonder what exactly is the driver behind the average conservative mans need for acceptance, … .” A bit of skirt.

trackback
2 years ago

[…] ZMan peers behind the curtain. […]

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

I have a virtual theater prediction.

If Russia should somehow manage to zap Zelensky, watch the Western narrative spinners turn him into the first virtual reality martyr that speaks to us from beyond the grave in YouTube clips.

Heck, I can even see them creating a life-sized Zelensky hologram and sending it on a speaking tour, just like George Floyd.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

Why not? they did it with all the different Stephen Hawking guys for years.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
2 years ago

We have a great movie to make, thanks to Melissa’s coining of “Zuckerborg”.

A new Star Trek movie! At last we know where and how the Borg began: in the tumultuous 20th and 21st centuries, on Earth.

Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

The posters are already done.

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Alzaebo
Alzaebo
2 years ago

Hint for the WEF’s transhumanist future, of identity QR codes, virtual tracking tatoos, of socially-scored digital “cash” and ration schemes:

A great Gates of Vienna article asked, “who do you shoot?”

The best answer:
Shoot the transformers.

All their schemes and rackets depend on the Electric Age, as Infant has pointed out. When Leviathan comes to town, it’s already over, and you’ll have not much left to lose.

orsotoro2011
orsotoro2011
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Yes. We all get a vote as to who has the ‘leccie and wireless….. The New Luddites indeed.

Krustykurmudgeon
Krustykurmudgeon
2 years ago

Here’s a thought -is it possible that bill clinton actually moved the democrats to the left? The consensus was that he moved the party to the center and allowed them to win the suburban voter. His rhetoric in theory was supposed to be a departure from the goofy liberalism of Mondale or McGovern.

But I feel like when people think of a liberal – they really aren’t thinking of a Mondale or McGovern but on sort of a mbaese postmodern style of thought that I feel originates in the Clinton era

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Krustykurmudgeon
2 years ago

at its core, leftist governance uses a gangster model. and that is what clinton amplified in the dems.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 years ago

Given the Clinton’s heavy involvement with the drug running as part of Inran-Contra (with the Bushes and hangers on) they would know the model inside out.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

You beat me to it. But Bush the Elder wasn’t a “hanger-on,” he and the intelligence service he once ran were at the heart of it.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  RoBG
2 years ago

i agree entirely.

I meant the Bushes and their numerous hangers on in and around the govt.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

Judging by this morning’s price action it looks like Blackrock, Vanguard, and State Street are trying to shave several billion fron Elon’s stash.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

They are not being subtle, either. Lots of quotes in the fake news financial columns about how “concern” over Twitter led to the cratering of Tesla funds. The loss is staggering enough to make me almost think Musk isn’t running a scam with Twitter. Naah, he is, but almost.

The Banana Empire’s markets and money are just as fake and gay as “our democracy.” Any doubt was removed after the FBI investigated Gamestop over unapproved financial success.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

Maybe yes, maybe no. It took a bigger drop this past Nov. – Feb. Even with Tuesday’s drop, it’s still well above a few months ago.
For reference, TSLA is still roughly 8x what it was before it became everybody’s darling, just about two years ago. I hope Musk doesn’t have all his eggs in one basket.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
2 years ago

Shameless! Shameless and defiant.
Like Johnny Rotten said, “Selling out is actually a very punk thing to do.”
Middle finger to the audience!

But really, an upscale priced Z hoodie is just the thing for my next vibrant discount shopping spree at Nordstrom’s.

Accessorize, accessorize is the key to fashion success. To complete my Dissident ensemble, may I suggest…
“Z” masks.

Perfect for the ball, the gala, fine dining, and vibrant shopping!

When they ask what the Z means, I’ll affect my stony thousand yard stare, and tell them I was with the Russian 6th Czarist in Karkiv…

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Johnny Rotten was also banned from the BBC for outing a predator. Good for him. He was proven right.

Liberty Mike
Member
2 years ago

“Since Gettysburg, politics in America has been a theater show.”

We need more Ford Theaters to stage more productions of Our American Cousin.

Enoch Cade
Enoch Cade
Reply to  Liberty Mike
2 years ago

Beginning with the corpse of Abe Lincoln and all the dismal myths about that terrible man.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

I’d like to know how he thinks he can solve the economics of Twitter. He needs twitter to at least pay for its running costs. If he allows anything resembling free speech, the credit card companies will blacklist it. Advertisers will pull out. And, worse, as pointed out in the article, Google and Apple will kick them out of the app store. In modern America, in order to have anything remotely resembling free speech, you need anonymity. If you want to say anything remotely out of line with the orthodoxy of the day, it cannot be linked to your real… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

I’m hardly the only one in this mindset, but at this point the persistent issues with Gab seem deliberate as only the “hardcore” users will continue to use it while the glitches will scare off any “normies”. When I used Poast for a bit I noticed that the platform was more stable and had more features than Gab, despite being built on the same technology and only being run part-time by one guy.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
2 years ago

Agree. The way he nerfed Dissenter is as good as admitting he’s sucking GAE benis – that, and his fake-ass Jesus-shtick. Back when Dissenter launched, you could cross-post to Gab at the click of a button, you got notifications and stuff, and when you went to a website – like fx. Guardian.co.uk – you could see which articles had Dissenter comments on it, providing an excellent sniper nest for exiled Ciffers. When Scandinavian Airline System launched a shaking-with-racial-hate, anti-Scandinavian eff-u-screed disguised as an ad, me and a handful of fellow Scandi Dissenters crapped all over their mainpage until they had… Read more »

Anonymous White Male
Anonymous White Male
2 years ago

“Twitter will go from a woke site to a woke site full of conservatives begging the woke for acceptance.” I’m sure there are a handful of “conservatives” like you describe because there are stupid people everywhere. But, what you are calling “conservatives” is usually CHINO’s. Conservative Hitlers In Name Only. CHINO’s are just part of the dialectic, paid for by the same usual suspects that promote the self-destructive policies of the left. If they are being banned, they may have uttered an unpleasant truth that is “not who we are”. If they return to grovel for the left’s approval, they… Read more »

B125
B125
2 years ago

I don’t really know how I feel about this. I’m sure Tucker Carlson, Babylon Bee, Alex Jones, etc. will make a return. But so what? They can keep making tweets like “People with penises are men” and “Democrats are hypocrites”? It seems counter-intuitive but “the right” has made the most progress under a hostile and censored environment. Some examples: – angry parents taking control of school meetings – increase in homeschooling – bans on CRT curriculums and LGBT promotion – freedom convoy(s) in Canada (US had one too but it didn’t do much – this time) – some churches telling… Read more »

Presbyter
Presbyter
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

Very interesting take. Plenty of historical examples of forbidden “ sects” flourishing only when they were persecuted and in the literal or figurative catacombs. Then they emerged and the real struggle was on.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

“We don’t organize!” is the cry, while all the Left does, has ever done, is organize. It has indeed made them formidable. It looks like it’s given them the world. What is forgotten is the deep character of White American men and women, well hidden. Of Euros too, as seen in the joyous crowds at the Nuremberg rallies. Oh, we organize, all right. Spontaneously, instinctively, and seamlessly. We show up at a disaster site, unbidden, and ask, “what do you need me to do?” We wait, UNTIL disaster strikes. Then we right well take care of business. Parasites and locusts… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

“It seems counter-intuitive but “the right” has made the most progress under a hostile and censored environment. ”

Brilliant point. The Left has decided to dispense with even the artifice of controlled opposition, so that has forced some pushback among those who have the constitution for it.

Durendal
Durendal
2 years ago

Something with the phrase “Dirt people” would be awesome!

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Durendal
2 years ago

TomA’s “Between the Progs and the Cucks” should go on that z-shirt, along with one for the Dirts vs the Clouds!

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  Durendal
2 years ago

Zirl science, always good for a laugh.
Be good on a hoodie. Might serve as a secret handshake of sorts.
Regret missing the inaugural castle event.
Too many irons in the fire getting our own castle in order.

usNthem
usNthem
2 years ago

How about “after the revolution ______(insert word/meme of preference)?

It always amused me to see putative “conservatives” going into the libtard lion den to show they really weren’t the meanies they were portrayed as – and getting torn a new one start to finish. In the old days, it’d have been something like the Phil Donahue show or more recently a nagfest like The View, maybe (((Howard stern))). They’re all pretty much embarrassingly pathetic.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  usNthem
2 years ago

I’ve never especially liked Stern. He was briefly (very briefly) a “shock jock” at a DC Rock & Roll station. Although I have the account second hand, after the crash of an Air Florida jet into a bridge during take-off in a snow storm in January 1982, Stern called Air Florida to inquire how much a ticket to the 14th Street Bridge was. Not surprisingly, he was quick fired.

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  usNthem
2 years ago

I’d go on the view, wearing a bomb vest.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
2 years ago

Are you fuggin nuts?

There’s more gawddamn bohunk Ukrainians up here in Alberta than there are blacks in Lagos. There’s more Uke flags than maple loafs. A guy could get shot round here, wearing that shirt like that!

Do they come in Extra- rotund size, Z? Or maybe an extra caption that says “Rootin’ For Putin”? That would be so awesome…
😂👍

Bruno the Arrogant
Bruno the Arrogant
2 years ago

I’ve never used Twitter and probably never will, but I do have to say in the last 48 hours since it’s sale I’ve certainly derived substantial pleasure from the fireworks!

TomA
TomA
2 years ago

Bashing conservatives (and normies) is therapeutic sport here on the Z blog, and it’s a guilty pleasure that nearly all of us practice from time to time. It often acts as a pressure relief valve when prominent media cons do something particularly infuriating. In my case, I listen to Bongino a couple times each week in order to gauge the mood of ConInc. Lately, he’s been continuously ejaculating in anticipation of the November elections and demanding that everyone vote harder or die. He also sees Musk as a messiah that will part the seas and free us all from internet… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
2 years ago

what this post is highlighting is the foundation of the uniparty. maybe i am misreading things, but the article strongly implies that these conservative crawlers are somehow a different group than the left. they are not. they are two sides to the same coin. who zman is describing is the normie wing of the prog movement. that is why it is counter productive to try and persuade or convert these people to any oppositional or alternative group. it is also important to consider this when calculating the size of the uniparty, and the remainder of the population that *is* reachable.… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 years ago

karl: It doesn’t appear to me that Zman is drawing a distinction between left and right politics, merely drawing attention to the role of each side in the uniparty morality play. As Zman notes, if putative conservatives wanted a platform or had any legitimate and distinct views from their opponents, they would make use of existing alternatives such as gab. But they don’t want just any platform; they want the left-approved platform, just as they want to go to leftist dinner parties and remain within their self-appointed role among their chosen social group. I applaud Zman for so clearly portraying… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

Seems we like to “argue” with the Left, and as Z-man astutely points out, we seek out their platforms to do so.

There can be no purpose in forming arguments with anyone if there is no agreement on the premises. In my simple view of things, I’ve rarely met a Lefty that could form a valid argument—and if so, then never a sound one.

It’s all so boring. Guess that’s why I’m here.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

Good post. Lots to unpack. Re the vax: The silencing of vax victims, doctors, and journos on this score has been unprecedented in my lifetime. No public debate at all. Even those advocating for investigating treatments were de-platformed. It’s been vax now, vax always, vax forever with little justification.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  RoBG
2 years ago

In parallel with that, add the discarding of traditional safeguards and other standards. In fairness, it’s impossible to generate a “warp speed” (claimed) “vaccine” without cutting a lot of corners. Once accomplished, though, it is far less clear why the discouraging of any investigation into efficacy or side effects, in fact, quite the opposite. You are dead on noting the propaganda has been “vax, vax, vax” from the outset. It still is. Some localities are up to dose #4 now, less than 1 1/2 years into deployment. I don’t recall them admitting that multiple doses would be needed, but then… Read more »

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 years ago

Separation is the only way.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Tired Citizen
2 years ago

The Prog flagship, Tom Hartmann, got all panicky and strident when a caller said Goodwhites should sunder the Union, and get away from those useless eaters, the gap-toothed Trumpist deplorables in their rural sh*tholes.

“We must save the Union!”, cried Hartmann, “to defend global democracy!”

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
2 years ago

If there is one thing post-2016 internet has taught us, it’s that there is an entire ecosystem behind the internet. Once upon a time if you knew what stripe was you were informed. But then stripe revealed that the credit cards themselves were giving them a ban list. Which may have come from the investor class themselves through “ethical” investing guidelines.

That’s just the money side to internet business. It’s a shame Elon is going to learn this all again. Maybe this time It’ll warrant a Tucker segment.

Boris
2 years ago

Z your mind, your ass will follow.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Boris
2 years ago

George Clinton (Parliament Funkadelic) said something fairly close to that 😀

Unlike a lot of their stuff not to my taste, if one likes funky rock and roll (mostly) instrumental, give Eddie Hazel’s famous “Maggot Brain” a listen. Clinton’s monologue at the opening is one of his best, IMO.

My Comment
Member
2 years ago

One positive about getting more thought criminals back on Twitter is their being able to show another perspective to normies on the right and in the middle. Gab is filled with various shades of true believers on the right. They do get a chance to interact and share ideas but no opportunity for bringing normies closer to our way of seeing reality. That is very different than trying to score points against or gain approval from Good Whites which is a fool’s errand

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  My Comment
2 years ago

sit down, i have something important to tell you.

sigh. you are a normie….and always will be. there is no cure.

Enoch Cade
Enoch Cade
2 years ago

Semi-related, but the full-throated roaring of “principled conservatism” (eg, space lawyer Glenn Reynolds) demonstrates there is, truly, one party in “america,” with a shared platform of radical egalitarianism and endless “crusades” for “freedom” and “democracy.” The Republic did indeed die at Appomattox.

Enoch Cade
Enoch Cade
Reply to  Enoch Cade
2 years ago

I’m sorry, full throated roaring in support of “defending freedom” in Ukraine with arms supplied by the “american” defense industry. F*cking war pigs.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Enoch Cade
2 years ago

They are scrambling so hard to find more material to chuck into Ukraine the US just cinvened an emergency meeting with 40 countries in Germany.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

check with afghanistan, i hear they have some stuff to sell…

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Enoch Cade
2 years ago

It’s worse than you know.

They’re already invoking another “Marshall Plan” to “rebuild Ukraine”.

Sell weapons to Ukraine on a payment plan. Buy weapons to replenish “donated” NATO stockpiles. Use weapons to blow up critical infrastructure to declare “Marshal Plan!!!” In the most corrupt country in Eastern Europe.

This may be the grift-gasm that causes the (little) death of the US dollar.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  ProZNoV
2 years ago

1000 digital Satanbux for “grift-gasm”!

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  ProZNoV
2 years ago

I suspect that a new “Marshall” plan will be fine with Russia. They’d prefer it to dumping their rubles down a rat hole.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
2 years ago

What I want to see on twitter is the left and the neocons relentlessly mocked and ridiculed.

A couple of weeks ago on Gab, Marjorie Taylor Green posted “There is one race, the human race.” The replies overwhelmingly picked apart and refuted and hilariously made fun of her statement.

That’s what needs to happen on twitter. Make them cry and shriek.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

That is the one argument for Twitter I like. It’s good for mocking and poking lefties and normies; nothing more. I don’t see it as a “town square”. Elon is one of those guys who has taken whiffs of edgytarian smoke but he is, at base, a business conservative who is young enough to know what’s cool and what’s whack. He’s a mix of Trump energy and Joe Rogan intellect.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Marko
2 years ago

Or if you have any interests outside of politics. Gab is all politics all the time.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

Its the Amsterdam of politics, since what’s allowed there isn’t legal anywhere else.

Wait, I know!
Youtube, Twitter, and now Tiktok are becoming vast libraries of “How-to”‘s.

So, Gab, Odysee, Bitchute, Poast?, etc. are big subscribe-to niche channels.

Like permaculture or truck wrecks or Freightliner mechanics, the Gabs are a niche you’ll find if you want to.
A Dissident Reddit, and quite a bit easier to access.

(I still have no idea how to read 4chan or reddit, but Gab Explore has largely replaced my twitter surfing for light, quick takes.)

Member
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

I’ve never had a Twitter account yet, somehow, I miraculously have outlets for my interests outside of politics.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

Yeah, Gab has become an outrage machine for the extremely online right-winger. They do have groups following other interests but c’mon, we’re all there for the spicy takes. Sometimes, I don’t want to assume that everything is shit because we’re all imperfect human beings bouncing off each other. Sometimes, I want to see things blamed on the J**s or secret pedophile rings.

Sim1776
Sim1776
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

From your mouth to Musk’s ears. Id only use twatter at this point to mock and deride the cucks and progs. Civil discussions are for sane, rational people. The “twitterverse” has shown it is neither. Time to burn down the Ivory Towers.

Melissa
Melissa
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

Ha. It is often said these days that comedy is dead but the crap show created by these clowns is hilarious. In so many ways.
Robert Reich just posted “where else would consumers go to post short messages that can reach millions…?” Of course he is concerned about short messages in particular; he is 4 feet tall.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Melissa
2 years ago

Melissa: Reich and Greg Gutfeld look like brothers from another mother. Of course, given special group genetics, they likely are actual cousins.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
2 years ago

Twitter exists to sell advertising to corporate customers – that’s the business model and the raison d’etre. Zman absolutely nails the conservative begging/simping dynamic – most of these grifting jokers would crawl over broken glass to get a blue checkmark. But we have to acknowledge that Twitter’s corporate ad clients want a “curated” environment in which to hawk their wares. The left/right dynamic is tangential to this main event. So it’s impossible to separate the “free speech” stuff from the business model issues at Twitter. Musk will learn this the hard way. He sells cars (and dreams), not advertising. It’s… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Captain Willard
2 years ago

One rumor over at ZH was that Musk was buying Twitter to make sure his personal plugging of Tesla remained open on the platform as that is pretty much the only advertising avenue for the company. The extreme dollar math of the acquisition actually makes some sense if that’s the case.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Captain Willard
2 years ago

Possibly, though I would note how many money losing newspapers and news channels there are out there (most of them). At some point, making money was no longer the game, and influencing public opinion took over. You think Bezos cares if the Washington Post ever makes a profit?