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Would Jesus hate the cat memes that have spread across the internet in response to the Haitian problem in Springfield Ohio? Some people think so. Progressive cranks have responded to this by claiming it is your Christian duty to welcome these people into your homes. Granted, these people are not sincere but people who claim to be Christians of some sort often agree with them. They claim Scripture requires the faithful to treat everyone equally, as God’s children.
This is the official position of the Catholic Church. The Pope is a big fan of open borders and mass immigration. It is not just for theological reasons. One argument is that the migrants from the global south are Catholics or could become Catholic. Protestant churches make similar claims. Immigration is seen by main stream churches as a solution to their empty pews. Some claim that the Haitian migrants have revitalized the churches in the Springfield Ohio area.
Of course, the people making these claims can find in Scripture what they need to support their position as the morally correct one. Ephesians says, “you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people.” Leviticus says, “You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself”. Hebrews says you must show hospitality to strangers and modern Hebrews say you should never notice this.
The most popular and probably the most effective argument from faith used in favor of open borders is that all men are created in God’s image. Since we are all God’s children, we have the same duty to cat-eating Haitians as we do to the Irish guy who drives the UPS truck and helps coach the local football team. Since immigration is an issue because it is the movement of nonwhites into white areas, it is a racial issue, and the Christian is prohibited from seeing race.
The obvious counter to this is that Jesus was fine with slavery, so he surely would not oppose the deportation of illegal aliens. This never registers with the Bible-quoting immigration enthusiast because much of what makes up modern Christianity in the West is cherry picking verses from Scripture that just so happen to support the secular morality of this age. For the most part, what passes for Christianity in the West is just a loyal servant at the foot of neo-liberalism.
That still leaves the question as to whether Jesus would be on the side of the people important pet-eating Haitians into your town or on the side of the people making AI-generated memes of Trump defending the house cats. The logic of Christianity says that Jesus would be pumping out those cat memes. He would not be making overtly racial claims about Haitians, most likely, but what we understand about Christian faith tells us he would be opposed to mass migration.
The place to start is where Christianity starts. The “open borders Christians” are correct when they say these Haitians are God’s children, no different from the fifth-generation Irish guy or the guy who traces his line to the Mayflower. Fundamental to the Christian faith is that we are God’s creation and humans are made in God’s image. Our ability to understand God at all rests on the assumption that he possesses all the qualities we possess as human beings.
From this we can draw one obvious conclusion. We have reason and free will, thus God intended for us to use our reason and free will. God does not make mistakes, at least this is true for the New Testament God. The God of the Hebrew Bible is not as confident, so maybe he was still prone to error. Regardless, God gave us, and only us, free will and reason, so it must have been on purpose and for a reason. The only possible reason is to use them.
The other thing that we know, if we are all God’s creation, is that all men are God’s property for the same reason man can have property. God owns himself, so God owns that which he has created. He gave man dominion over the earth and all of the living creatures on it, but he did not grant ownership. God may be an absentee landlord, as many have asserted, but he is still the landlord, which means he still owns what he created, including mankind.
This is the basis of Christian ethics. What we ought and ought not do is based on the idea that we are all God’s property. Theft is wrong because when you steal the labor of another man, you are harming God’s property. On the other hand, punishing someone for theft, is acting on God’s behalf to right the wrong done to God. It is why we think hunting for food is perfectly acceptable. Man needs to eat, and God gave us domain over the animals. Hunting for sport, however, is complicated.
The logic of Christianity tells us that Jesus would be appalled by what is happening in towns like Springfield Ohio. Rounding up Haitians and dumping them into unsuspecting towns around North America does nothing to reduce the damage done to God’s most precious property, mankind. In fact, it increases the damage. Worse yet, this damage is done for the benefit of the money changers responsible for it. What we see happening with immigration is a deliberate offense to the Christian God.
This is even more obvious when we remember that we have reason and free for the sole purpose of using it. If we wanted to help Haiti, there are ways we could improve the conditions on the island without harming cat owners in Ohio. We could take over the island, set up a local dictator tasked with distributing food and medicine. We could round up the Haitians and send them to Africa, where they have the minimum infrastructure needed to maintain an African population.
The point of all this is that Christian ethics is about reducing the damage to God’s property, which is primarily mankind, but also that which mankind has been granted dominion, the earth, and its inhabitants. Mankind has reason and free will in order to figure out the best way to act in order to minimize the damage to God’s property, so we are free to debate the issue. We must be free to debate the issue. Cherry picking lines from Scripture to shut down debate is therefore immoral.
More important, cherry-picking lines from Scripture so that you can claim a sense of compliance with the will of God, at the expense of God’s property, as in the damage done by immigration, violates the foundational logic of Christianity. If Jesus were here today, he would not only flip over the tables in the offices of the people responsible for unchecked immigration, but he would also whip the people waving around their Bibles in support of it. Jesus would hate them.
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The proper way to understand Jesus is not as some kind of global open-borders communist, but as a critic of the Jewish Pharisees and the Jewish power structure who called them out on their hypocrisy, duplicity, and grift in Matthew 23. They “tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.” “Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; they… Read more »
That’s the crux of the matter, isn’t it? They “tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.”
Essentially no one in support of these feel-good maneuvers will ever feel the impact of what they’ve wrought. To his dying day Mike DeWine will live in luxury, never once dealing with having a soiled mattress shied onto his lawn or watching his next door neighbor grieve for the child killed by a recklessly driving immigrant. It’s all theoretical to him.
Name names and shame. These NGOs have leaders. Paste their names, addresses, telephone numbers, emails, HQ information. Let people in Springfield, OH ask John Q. Goodperson, CEO of Goodperson NGO why they have to deal with all these migrants.
Name the politicians funding these people.
Also, identify the people employing immigrants as cheap docile labor while deriding their own countrymen as lazy drug addicted scum who deserve their replacement.
It’s already come out that the mayor of Springfield is operating a slumlord business renting out to these people. Probably 20 to a room. He gets paid, he doesn’t care, just like the factory owner they interviewed, he has no loyalty to the town or its people. In fact, he probably loathes them and sees them as backwards drug addicted losers holding him back from his true calling as an apparatchik for ActBlue or Conservative Inc. (I don’t know which party he is a member of, it does not matter).
Yes. This is exactly the path forward. The cat meme and the other memes of, “owning”, while clever are fine but they do not go far enough. The next generation of meme warfare is outright naming the criminals. This is at the local, national and global level. This is true of the invasion and all of the forms of anarcho-tyranny. The money networks need to be rooted out and payment transfers exposed. Then every hotelier, landlord, city/county councilman/woman/zher, state and federal official need to be named and shamed. This has to happen in both digital and physical space. The townsman… Read more »
People can’t afford to live where they grew up. It’s already game over at that point. Locally, it’s realtors and refugees from NYC burbs buying everything, often paying cash. Yep, it’s getting diverse, like foreign language diverse, and it’s public money propping up the real estate scam. Pretty much only farms zoned ag (farms near towns zoned otherwise but grandfathered) and houses in their midst are staying in local hands, as far as I can tell. Anything close to a town, good luck. Somehow plain Dutch are winning again and will end up with the place in the long run,… Read more »
Plus, their names and addresses will come in handy after we win and have the American version of Auschwitz built and ready to take in the first guests.
Even if we don’t win, but the tide turns, these same people will be out there saying “I dindu nuffin! I always agreed with you!”
Great post Xman.
let this be a lesson to everyone who advocates for “peaceful separation”. They won’t let you separate. This is what they will do. There is nowhere to go. They will not allow you to be away from it.
Another response is that God created the nations and races for his purpose, and when the Tower of Babel was pushing one world nonsense, He destroyed it…
Since I got involved in immigration restriction 20 years ago, I have heard from Christians that the Tower of Babel is the scriptural refutation of open borders.
Why has this refutation been so totally ineffective in changing the minds of most Christians?
(My explanation is that the owners of the media literally program the minds and morals of most people, including Christians. Even most intelligent people are not independent thinkers and affluence is like a sedative.)
Propaganda works – no one would pay millions for a 30 second spot during a sportsball game if it didn’t.
“Why has this refutation been so totally ineffective in changing the minds of most Christians?” The quibble is that Babel wasn’t about immigration. God ordered the peoples of the time to spread out and inhabit the Earth; instead, they centralized and built a monument to self-apotheosis. Which are the same ultimate goals as the One-Worlders pushing the immivasion, hence it being only a quibble. God created the various races and nations of Man. Deliberately miscegenating them, therefore, is rebellion against God. That’s why it’s evil. The LGBT movement is the same crime: God made us male and female, so the… Read more »
“But only when men rule over women.”
There’s always a deflection away from the chosen.
When I was a kid, you could probably make a good case. Other than the periodicals section of the library, your only news was the local paper(s) and a handful of stations/affiliates. A better case could be made that schools played the dominant role in shaping opinion and even ability to think.
By the mid-Zoomers, not plausible. They platform-hopped as their parents and grandparents tried to keep up. Z became influenced by whomever on places like SnapChat or TikTok, which, whatever one thinks of them, are probably not Zionist controlled.
Thanks, Steve. I had a counter reply to you, but instead I’ll just reflect on your post instead.
As I said in another message, so much of what we do here is speculate about the motives of forces vastly more powerful and inscrutable than we are. People of good faith may differ about the shadows on the cave wall.
Despite my cynical face, this recent explosion in ability to communicate makes me wildly optimistic. Zoomers and Alphas have so many more options than I did. Not just in “news” and “views” but also in opportunities. If you wanted to be a musician as recently as the ’80s and into the ’90s, your options were limited to signing with a label (and get utterly screwed) or blowing well over a half million on a bare bones recording studio. Now? Got a laptop or desktop? Headphones or earbuds? Obviously you already have an instrument. Drop $100 for a Focusrite Scarlett or… Read more »
Yes, God hates globalism. He confused the languages, divided mankind, and scattered them to the far corners of the earth. “Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.” Genesis 11:9 God has established the legitimate authority of human government and national borders. “When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the… Read more »
Sure, Dan. But why do most Christians ignore your wise words?
Or Brooklyn or Queens.
If dumping 20,000 low IQ, zero skilled Haitians into a town of 40,000 blue collar white Americans is “Christianity” (it’s not) I want nothing to do with it.
It’s a raw and naked grab at permanent power, but ultimately, a death cult.
I don’t think anyone knows how to stop it, much less reverse it.
Especially evil because it destroys the notion of a “parallel society/parallel institution.”
”Nice parallel you have there. Shame if someone dumped infinite human refuse on it.”
I think there’s a method to his madness. The same pattern keeps repeating itself over and over again. Trump says something everybody thinks is outrageous and soon enough, the media has to admit he was right about it. (The New York Times admitted his numbers are correct.)
Could he be goading the Democrats to ramp up cheating so that he can catch them in a relatively safe pro-Trump state? Ohio has clean elections or at least that’s what everybody thinks. What if we don’t really have clean elections?
DeWine doesn’t care about cheating, and neither do the courts.
I disagree. He may not be Trump’s biggest fan, but he cares about cheating. He has a son and daughter in politics whose careers he also has to protect. Cheating hurts his kids and their prospects.
The deuce it does. His kids will trade on daddy’s name for the next few decades, bouncing from one patronage job to another.
TempoNick, you are an interesting case. We are all speculating about the motives of the elites, whose intentions are not accessible to us.
You, like Derb and Jared, still give the benefit of the doubt to the elites. “He has a son and daughter in politics” and “Cheating hurts his kids and their prospects.”
People like me hold your position for some amount of time, until persistent frustration radicalizes us. But some, like Derb and Jared, uphold the possible legitimacy of the system indefinately.
It’s psychology, not logic. It’s a judgment call.
DeWine is a decent guy. Maybe he’s a crook, maybe he isn’t, but if he is a crook, it’s going to be small potatoes. Lifelong resident, still owns a farm, two kids lawyers and involved in politics. As one person said on another board, “he’s one step short of being a RINO,” but I don’t think he’s a bad guy. That’s completely different from all these Gordon Gekko and neocon types who seem to have dominated Republican thinking since Reagan. DeRino has been a good public servant overall even if he rubs me the wrong way sometimes.
There is only one thing that matters wrt Trump getting elected – is he better for the Amish than Harris?
I think the Amish are somewhat split on that calculation, hence the Amish Fellatio Olympics have been in high gear this season. Even more than usual.
Ha, Amish. Took me a minute.
It’s easy to stop and reverse. it’s not difficult. It just requires the will to do it.
Everything in war is very simple. But the simplest thing is difficult.
-Carl von Clausewitz
Public/government control is not the only possible parallel structure.
Our lawyers say that while it hasn’t been rigorously tested yet our only answer is Chapter 9. While that’s just a reorganization bankruptcy, if there is no hope, it gets shifted into liquidation bankruptcy.
Yes, the storm troopers could overrule things, but that’s always been the case. Just ask LaVoy Finicum. But without public shelters, either the Sheriff would have to enforce vagrancy laws or the health department would have to roll in.
I’m not religious, but any semblance between modern Western Christianity and the faith of even less than a century ago is purely coincidental at this point. Much like how the Soviets co-opted the Orthodox Church and turned it into an organ of the state, the totalitarians who run the West have done much the same. The United States and its satrapies are pure, unadulterated evil at this point (I believe evil to be quite real despite my lack of faith). It would be enough to make someone go to a real church if one still existed.
Yes. The Left, and their money, have been very effective in corrupting most churches, and that includes the “evangelical” ones, far beyond the Christian Zionist stuff which is bad enough. This has been well-documented, including the LGBT subversion of formerly conservative churches. “The Church” still exists as a force for good, but outside any denomination. Regarding evil, Tucker Carlson had a good discussion recently about how so much of the policies of Our Betters are just plain anti-human, and thus evil, including the recent drive to enable Ukraine with the ability to strike Russia with missiles, increasing the likelihood of… Read more »
“I believe evil to be quite real despite my lack of faith.”
Jack, I guess that we have similar agnostic outlooks, although you may impugn to “evil” more ontological weight than me.
Without a spiritual anchor, how do you define “evil?” After all, in a godless universe, the events of humankind simply redound to benefit one group over another. How, in all that, do you define “evil?”
I’m not razzing you. I am sincerely curious.
(In my view, when people use the word “evil,” they simply mean existential threats to the people that they care about.)
Kind of your last. More or less deliberately cruel and anti-human is my definition. This is what the Left today is.
I always appreciate unguarded and honest replies, especially with regards to philosphical musings…
Agree completely. I always thought the principle taught in the story of the tower of Babel is that separate nations of peoples is a God given principle and anyone wanting to mix them all up again into one nation of global WalAzon customers is asking for problems.
Agree. Although I think the reason or why behind the principle is that obliteration of separate nations of peoples will lead to unfathomable levels of tyranny (One World Government says hello). A multipolar world seems preferable.
As is often the case, God has to save us from ourselves.
Friend… https://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=32691#comment-424321
For me, what Jesus would or would not think about modern AINO politics is irrelevant. Jesus don’t live here in Clown World. I do. I don’t have to justify to the lizard sitting in the Vatican, or the Protestant heretics, a damn thing. They’ve abrogated moral authority long ago, so arguing with them about WWJD is an exercise in futility. When they start their political sophism about “Scripture” the best response is to tell them that you simply don’t recognize their moral authority over free men, because they ain’t Jesus.
If Jesus showed up today, he would despise them, and a lot of other things too. They would promptly have him up on the cross for spreading ‘misinformation’.
I can’t envision a way that a great prophet would emerge and effectively challenge TPTB. Though Jesus emerged just before the height of the Roman Empire so God knows what He’s doing.
My guess is that he may be walking the earth now. Spreading the seeds as it were. Or else he has already appeared, and we won’t know it until decades later. (David Koresh?)
In the already appeared but we don’t know it yet department, Joseph Smith seems a more likely candidate than Koresh
Agreed, he’s all-American, his people founded a new Zion (Deseret), and now their leaders are in the power structure and rapidly converging.
(Also even more agreed, for a reason left unspecified.)
We have had plenty of them (though not in a conventionally religious category) and they usually meet the same fate as the religious prophets. Ted K. (not the politician), the Austrian Painter. Some were a little luckier on their Earthly sojourn, but have been pilloried posthumously: Henry the Auto Maker, the Guy Who Flew the Plane, Joe Sobran. Some are still with us and have been banished from polite society: Pat Buchanan, many Twitter (stupidly renamed X) casualties. They have challenged TPTB in ways similar to the Sand Joggers. With very little cost, they have caused TPTB to expend vast… Read more »
Almost forgot Rockwell (not the Folksy Painter).
“If we wanted to help Haiti, there are ways we could improve the conditions on the island without harming cat owners in Ohio.” What for? Am I my brother’s keeper? Not that I would ever think of a Haitian as a brother. The attempts to improve their local cousins in the USA has been an abysmal failure and very expensive to boot. It can’t be done. Genetics. Sub-Saharan Africans are a biological dead-end. What we know is that earlier biological dead-ends — cousins of homo sapiens — came to an end. They couldn’t adapt and survive (this will probably happen… Read more »
“They didn’t know about genes and DNA back in them thar days.”
They didn’t, yet in those “ignorant times” they knew more than us (not “us” in the Z comment section) about race and lived separately.
And along those lines, it’s interesting how so much of earlier anthropology, which was condemned as “racist,” has been confirmed by recent DNA research.
Those European and American scholars, before the Age of Franz Boas, were pretty truthful, not only about racial differences, but also about things like the Indo-European expansion.
“They didn’t know about genes and DNA back in them thar days.”
They knew about blood and family trees.
It’s pretty amazing that traditional notions of race correlate unbelievably highly with variance in large genomic structure. Ethnicity is real because race is real because biology is real.
They knew pretty well about breeding. So they might not have known as much about the specific mechanics of DNA to the extent we know (or at least think we know) now. But they were able to observe offspring and inherited behavior, and how things scale up. And they were less inhibited from “noticing”.
I perceive the recent fate of Springfield a little differently.
It is an act of war.
The bureaucratic-managerial class has launched human WMDs on one small town representation of their perceived mortal enemy: America’s residual bourgeoisie class, AKA the dreaded “deplorables”.
The deplorables aren’t self-aware enough (as a class) – yet – to recognize they are already engaged in a war.
What has long been a culture war is now being ratcheted up a notch with kinetics, now that their religious and moral woke-olian justifications have been laid over the past decades.
Two legged biological weapons are today’s version of the neutron bomb.
It’s just another version of the forced integration of white nabes and schools that began in the second half of the 50s.
Funny how certain people are allowed to have ethnic, racial and religious nations, but others are not, and the ones who are not are always White. The language of the Bible is steeped in talk of nations. It is one of those fundamental concepts that is rarely praised* or condemned, but is just so natural that it doesn’t require explicit mention very often any more than it needs to be said that “God loves the sky,” or “God loves trees.” We have a right to our nation, and the nation isn’t merely our piece of magic dirt, though that is… Read more »
We have a right to our nation, and the nation isn’t merely our piece of magic dirt, though that is a part it. (1) nation ≠ territory, and a nation is not part of a territory. These are completely different things. (2) So another waver of the Confederate battle flag supports restoration of the Cherokee nation to its homeland, right? And the other dispossessed nations, too, get their land back, your precious Union be damned, yes? Apologies for being too lazy to look up chapter and verse this morning. It wouldn’t matter if you did look up stuff in Scribbling.… Read more »
How much do you get paid to post here?
No one has a right to their own nation. You either can create it and keep it, or you can’t. Rights have nothing to do with it.
More specifically, rights only have meaning in a society committed to the peaceful resolution of disputes. They would work fine with a sufficiently narrow definition of “white”.
Germany and France have been at odds forever. A society which tried to impose both French and German sensibilities onto a populace would be less prone to being able to form a civil society than if they were separated.
We are a nation of laws and our government is breaking the law with its immigration policy. Dumping illegal immigrants anywhere is just that. We have a right as a nation to not have our government acting illegally. Justice must prevail. Deport the illegals. Imprison the government offenders and try them in a court of law.
While I agree with the sentiment, I really, really hate that “nation of laws” thing the “conservatives” do.
What they mean by “laws” is “legislation”, which is of man. “Law” is like gravity or inertia — you couldn’t change it if you wanted to, let alone getting a majority of CongressCritters to agree, and a President to sign.
We are, but were not intended to be a nation of legislation.
People need to believe that they have the moral right to keep their nation’s territory.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that we need to impoverish and destroy ourselves in order to accommodate all these different people. Jesus told his apostles to spread his Word, and to do so, the apostles and the rest of his followers had to go to other countries and meet them where they were. This meant speaking the local language, understanding their way of life, convincing them of the truth of His message. Not telling them to pack up and move far away into some strange land. Also, it needs to be said, these people are not Christians. They… Read more »
A good follow up to this would be reading a few articles on this by Michael Yon. For those who aren’t familiar with him, he’s former 3rd SF (I could be wrong about the particular Group, but I know he’s SF) and has been a war correspondent and photographer for the last twenty years. His latest piece on the goings on in OH; “Wait until small children begin disappearing. No one in this country has any idea how common cannibalism is in many areas of the world. What is worse, no one here – especially the politicians will have any… Read more »
Oh, they’ll have an idea how to deal with it; behold “the conservative case for cannibalism.”
David French has a draft on “The Conservative Case For Cannibalism” about ready to go.
You will the internet today.
By David French?
French-fried long pig shall be the centerpiece of today’s repast…
His adopted son will be one of the cannibals, no doubt…
Same for Speaker Johnson and SC Justice Amy C-B.
“Also, it needs to be said, these people are not Christians. They worship demons and sacrifice animals to their demon gods and practice blood magic rituals.”
The Haitians or the members of the Power Structure?
The Haitians or the members of the Power Structure?
Yes.
Well… like gender, it isn’t a binary choice, LOL.
When Jesus ignored a woman from an outgroup, saying that it was wrong to take the food of children and give it to the dogs, he was explicitly ethnocentric. Because of her exemplary faith, he made an exception. Good rule of thumb.
Also, His mission was to his own people, and His mission only spread out to the other nations once His work among His own people was done. Also good rule of thumb.
Does throwing random Haitians into a small town sound like it fits here? Obviously not.
You don’t understand those anecdotes about the woman with the crazy daughter. The national chauvinist threw table scraps to one of the “dogs” after it had fatigued the Nazi with begging, and the dog affirmed receiving only scraps.
Seriously? If one of your family were dying of cancer, and you ignored an insult and asked again for healing, you would call that “begging”? Or that your family member being healed was “scraps”?
You are a tough case.
Generally, I prefer the Nicomachean ethics to the Christian. I agree with Machiavelli that the teachings of Jesus are fine for personal interactions (at least with people who share the same reciprocal precepts), but provide a poor model for statecraft. Jesus, like Nietzsche, was unconcerned with politics.
Christian morals, like the laws, are weaponized by the “left” against traditional society and Heritage populations. They know what they are doing. The only way to refute them is to reject their premises, and proceed from a code based not on morals, but interest, tempered by honor rather than compassion.
Excellent comment. He was preaching to the individual when he said give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and give to God what is God’s. He told individuals to care for the poor. He did not tell the Romans to raise taxes for a welfare state. I don’t recall him advocating for any kind of governmental action.
Right. Jesus taught individuals how to transcend the corruption of ancient Judea and the Pharisaical power structure. He wasn’t advocating for a specific government policy, he was calling out those in power as liars, cheats and hypocrites ripping off the poor, average schlubs:
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! …(O)n the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness….
…You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?”
Mycale said it well, and I will try to add to his comment. The Bible is not a suicide pact. And Z is correct. Jesus would hate the asshats (the formal church’s), that finance the invasion of the country. I had to leave mine over such insanity. Finally, I think Jesus would be doing a lot of face palming if he were here today. “People, people, that’s not what I said/meant”. On a side note, the alphabet groups tried again, and failed again to put down orange man bad. Thing is, they only have to succeed once. And if at… Read more »
“People, people, that’s not what I said/meant”
Whether it’s a liberal politician looking for a mandate for socialism in the Constitution or a liberal preacher looking for it in the Bible, none of these guys care what anyone actually meant by anything they wrote or said. It’s all just a smokescreen for women and mush minded men to justify what they already want to do.
If only there was a story in the Bible about a globalist one world government ruling all the people in the world. To impress God, they could maybe build a big tower to celebrate the unity…
Ah, you’re just babbling now. 😏
You meant replace God right?
What’s America being suddenly so Christian about immigration? It’s not Christian about anything else
Well, they’re Christian about the, “I am the Lord, your God”… Oh wait.
But graven images…, Oh, yeah.
Sabbath — never mind.
Honor thy father… skip a bit.
Thou shalt not kill. Except in Gaza or Ukraine. Or at Planned Parenthood. Pretty sure those exceptions are in there.
Thou shalt not commit adultery — There’s gotta be an exception for OnlyFans, right?
Etc.
Anytime somebody tries to use Christianity on me I just laugh, “Well bless your heart. Look at you conveniently choosing Christ when you think it’s politically expedient to do so.”
We left our last Catholic parish in late 2000 when the priest invited some satanic Al Gore “guest speaker” to lecture the congregation about why we should overlook abortion and vote for Gore. She even had one of those rainbow colored berets. We never went back to mass at that church. I almost got up and walked out.
Yes, we ceased attending our Methodist church when the new pastor invited some BLM cocksucker to hector the old white congregation.
We finally gave up on ’em during COVID.
I told the pastor it was wrong to shut down church just because govt said so, that I could set up a radio transmitter to broadcast service, certainly over the parking lot. Grudgingly got permission, even though it didn’t cost them a penny.
On Good Friday, I walked in to tell the pastor the batteries on his mike were dying, and entered the sanctuary, seeing everyone wearing the Codpieces of St. Fauci, and at that moment, they all intoned, “We have no king but Caesar.”
It was a sign.
Trump missed an enormous opportunity when he started talking about the cat-eating Haitians. You’ve now gotten the population focused on “Are the Haitians eating cats?” With both sides arguing about that question. This is what’s being talked anbout instead of the main problem, the fact that migrants are ruining your neighborhoods. He should have stated it much simpler in the form of a question. Are your neighborhoods better or worse with these migrants? Do you feel safer walking downtown in Minneapolis or Springfield, OH now than you did 30 years ago? Are they making schools better or worse? Is there… Read more »
I tend to disagree – just another minority invasion would not have gotten as much attention. But eating your PETS! Now that it has AINO’s attention – the rest of the points (is it safer, are schools better, etc.) will naturally come up.
Its really silly when people argue that anyone who behaves in an extremely degenerate & savage manner with no remorse, no acknowledgement that their behavior is antisocial & destructive are fine just in general. It gets even more ridiculous when people claim people like that are the same as others of a given faith that explicitly disavows such behavior. Same goes for the denial of pattern recognition, its like claiming poker is exactly the same as blackjack. How many famous blackjack players are there who are renowned for their skill at the game? There isn’t because poker isn’t random chance… Read more »
That’s the entire problem with Marxists. They believe that the Haitian culture, such as it is, is equal in value to the European culture that produced Bach and Mozart.
“Springfield,” is a town name that has long symbolized Main Street, Midwest, USA.
In the 80s G.I. Joe comics, Springfield, IL was home to the Cobra terrorist group’s secret HQ.
It was also the name of the town The Simpsons is set in.
It takes a special type of retard to even begin down the path of the mental gymnastics to start taking thinking like this seriously. The funny about it is actual retards can see right through it, they cannot think in the abstract & thus are only able to take things at face value. This is why, for example, negroes are far more open, on average, to accepting the reality that they have a low average IQ. The ones who get angry at hearing this have acknowledged it, for proof, if I said accused you of having an attribute that something… Read more »
“…like claiming poker is exactly the same as blackjack.”
Hey! But they use the same cards!
Do not mention the voodoo. Or Dessaline’s deal with the Devil.
John Adams did what? Is that how that Puritan lunatic thanked the French for saving our bacon in the Revolution? How familiar does that sound.
“Do not mention the voodoo.” One thing I never see mentioned about vodoun is the slavery aspect. People love to credit Haitians for their role in inventing the concept of zombies but always conveniently leave our the fact that the whole point of making zombies is to enslave them. There’s a book & a pretty good, and unintentionally semi accurate in an unflattering way, horror movies loosely based on said book that detailed how this came to be. Long story short when they haitians revolted against the French they started by using old african poisoning methods: anything presumed to be… Read more »
Forgot to mention the book & movie, sorry about that, it’s called the Serpent And The Rainbow. If you’re even remotely interested read the synopsis of the book on Wikipedia & watch the movie if you’re into horror movies, it’s a pretty good Wes Craven movie & acts as a semi accurate documentary. I say semi accurate because it depicts a few haitians as having human like personality traits but the rest? Very accurate minus the spell casting of course, crazy satanic negroes all over the place & all sorts of dark practices which is ironically unintentionally accurate to what… Read more »
One can always find some scripture to support one’s side in this debate, whichever side one is on. The only proper response to leftists and colorblind as long as it’s legal normiecons doing so is, “Oh, so you want to live in a theocracy now? I’m down.” Which is just owning the libs and useless, but it’s all that can be said on the subject, because the argument cannot be won, at least not verbally, only aborted, with the blank looks that accompany that end of communication. Truth is, there is little point in engaging in an argument that has… Read more »
Not really. One side is lying and misrepresenting, and the other is not.
Then I leave it to you sir, to demonstrate to them the error of their ways through a holistic interpretation of the scripture, as opposed to a cherry picked one.
See my other posts today.
?? That the devil quotes scripture is pretty standard theology.
In the wilderness, He didn’t say the devil misquoted Psalm 91. (?) Just that there was a passage in Deuteronomy that either clarified or disputed that particular verse, depending on whether scripture is inerrant.
I keep looking for where in my post I say anything about “misquoting,” but I just can’t find it.
Why not correct the “misrepresentation”? Certainly did with the deception of the woman at the well.
He’s allowed to speak authoritatively on the Truth, no?
“Immigration is seen by main stream churches as a solution to their empty pews.” It is also a way to fill their coffers that have come about because of empty pews. Those empty pews and empty coffers came about because the welfare state stole the money from the paritioners who have far less to tithe. The church then has less to offer in acts that demonstrate the principles and give the paritioners a chance to live them out in life – self sacrifice through charity donations and voluteer work that is now done by “the diverse.” We live in a… Read more »
Except that doesn’t happen. There may be established a Springfield Haitian Christian church, but it won’t be to the benefit of White pastors and churches. The Haitians will form their own churches, with their own pastors. Perhaps in the buildings left over by abandoned White churches.
Also, as Michelle Malkin documented in her book, Open Borders Inc., the churches make money issuing starter loans with interest, backed by the state.
Usury, as it used to be called.
Yep, and with all so many of them there follows corruption. In my town we’re in the process of unwinding yet another fraud related to immigrant processing. Seems the Catholic charity folk gave a no bid laundry contract to a relative and paid 4 x’s going rate.
I have this image in my mind of some reasonable, calm, civic-minded Jew who comes up to Jesus after he has chased the money lenders from the temple. Jesus is still holding his whip, breathing heavily, and glaring around. “Now…now look, Jesus, let’s not get carried away here. Let’s just calm down and let’s see if we can straighten this out…”
The refugee dumping is not unique to Springfield, Ohio. In fact, it is going on across every single Western country at the moment. Here in Canada, most of them are “international students” from India. They come in through legal and semi-legal means, paying large sums of cash in exchange for permanent residency. The result is the same- 2,000 Indian males lining up for a McDonald’s job. We also have straight up refugees. From Haiti, from Africa, who knows why they’re here, but they’re all bisexual, and that’s enough to claim refugees status (and get free hotel and food, forever). Same… Read more »
Since deficits are beyond the comprehension of most people now, nobody talks about the costs being incurred. These ‘immigrants’ (Illegal aliens) are getting at least $3k a month tax free for showing up. So, just in Springfield, OH that’s 20,000 x 3,000 = $60 million a month and $720,000,000 a year for just that batch of invaders.
Multiply that by whatever number of invaders you believe.
Your general thinking is correct, but the estimates are waay too high. Welfare is complicated as there are many different programs. If you take the major ones nationally (exclude SSI) you have perhaps half your estimate ($1500) and those benefits are always computed on a “family” basis, not individual. There may be some initial increases, but those calm down after settlement (for example, NYC was renting hotels for initial housing of their invaders (“migrants”). I doubt highly that any family of Haitians, let’s say Mother, Father (if known), spawn 1, and spawn 2, pull down $12k per month ($144k per… Read more »
It’s not normal welfare, they just hand out pre-paid cards. And as noted below, doesn’t include the administrative costs.
Imagine how much is being skimmed off of that before it gets to the immigrants. Governor Dewine and scads of apparatchniks and contractors are getting rich off of trafficking, aren’t they?
“Taken” with Liam Nisson was no doubt the most insightful movie since “Gaslighting” in 1943.
Parasitism, in nature, is simply a process whereby a species adapts to stealing resources from any animal (or plant) that can marshal them in large quantity. The host organism can be modeled as an abstract “resource flow” and the parasites are like little taps attached to the main flow. Imagine a sort of Christmas tree structure. In modern America our worthless government (state, federal, and local) is the tree trunk. The mass of millions of taxpayers is the “soil” that feeds the tree. Everyone from the slumlords to the fat White guys running landscaping companies that use immigrant labor are… Read more »
Vatican City would seem to be a choice destination for migrants. What are their policies?
Sorry, this is akin to ‘real communism has never been tried’ or “that’s not true capitalism.” The wages of Christ is cuckdom. Who knows more about Christianity? The Pope? Or yourself, sorry Z-Man. No disrespect intended but I take the word of Christian leaders about what Christianity is, just as I take the word of Democratic Party leaders about what the Party is. Christianity is cuckdom, Open Borders and anti-Whiteness is embedded in Christianity. Regardless of what it might have been in 1100, it is NOW undeniably anti-White, and cuck oriented. Every single sect of Christianity is Open Borders, anti-White… Read more »
One can at least hope that the next pope is non-white who is even more vocal about flooding Europe with refugees. Perhaps that is what is needed to finally break white people away from that accursed church. Regardless, if we win and survive, the RCC will need to be persecuted out of our lands. There is no way to brush their treachery under the rug. Justice demands retribution for the damage they have done and the mortal threat they have created to our survival. If you think the problem is limited to Pope Francis, and that his replacement can fix… Read more »
Certainly not limited to Pope (sic) Francis. But if it can’t fix itself, what makes you think the AINO, or any other Western country can?
The next Pope should be a Muslim given the type of people they will be serving. Not sure about Sunni vs. Shia right now. Personally, I’ve always had a certain fondness for the Shia’s undead and hidden 12th Imam. It’s like the plot for a nice horror/sci-fi tale.
Jesus had nothing to say about immigration in the Gospels. While He might object to some (or maybe all) of the profiteering related to bringing in immigrants, odds are that He would take zero stance on the issue in and of itself, neither pro nor con. Jesus made it clear that He was not a political figure. Likewise, I find it doubtful that anyone can point to a verse in the Old or New Testament that unambiguously favors or opposes open borders. Those citing Scripture to promote unrestrained immigration are extrapolating. This is one of the endless examples of how… Read more »
“Immigration” did not really exist in the ancient world. You had tribes, which were racial/ethnic/language based. They fought wars and became kingdoms and empires and then fought other kingdoms and empires. Defeated tribesmen and women became vassals (if they were powerful) or slaves (if they were not) to the victorious tribes. Wrongdoers in a state got exiled, basically told to leave, and nobody cared about where they ended up. Yes, people could leave and go to some other places, but doing that was insane. If a random person wandered into a land they werren’t familiar with, they were at the… Read more »
Exactly. There was no governmental welfare until recently. This, along with leftist evil, are the main drivers of mass immigration.
Maybe not in exactly those terms, but when God gave the promised land to the Jews, and aided them in wiping out or driving off all the people who were previously inhabiting it, there’s a darn strong implication that the land, once taken, wasn’t intended to then be overrun by outsiders.
One could always attempt to refute Vizzini’s point by saying that the Jews are the “chosen people” and that what applied to them was not intended to be universal. Not saying that’s how I would respond — just mentioning a possible rebuttal.
The Jews “were” the chosen people. But they betrayed their covenant, and Jesus extended the new covenant to all.
I believe the correct interpretation is that we are all equal from the standpoint of being equally able to attain salvation. But the attainment of salvation has nothing to do intelligence, culture and social behavior. In those areas we are most definitely not equal.
“…we are all equal from the standpoint of being equally able to attain salvation.”
Profound, seriously profound. Indisputably the best answer to that question.
As profound as the Zman’s assertion that we are caretakers of a property we did not create, and have both will and intelligence that we might fulfill our purpose.
“I believe the correct interpretation is that we are all equal from the standpoint of being equally able to attain salvation.” That’s a benign reading of the concept which I won’t dispute. Nevertheless, the notion that “we are all equal in the eyes of God” can easily translate into the idea that we should all be equal in each other’s eyes — which is asking far too much of mere mortals — or even worse, that we should attempt to make equal that which is clearly unequal by nature. Human beings are a woefully irresponsible bunch. Give them an ideal… Read more »
Look, the majority of “Christian” churches have neutered Christ into some ‘love who you love’ cuddly creature, and by extension God’s Word has to be ignored where needed. Drove by our local Baptist church this weekend, some billboard wording out from about trusting “the Bible” … would love to ask the pastor, They/Them if admonitions about men laying with men, an “abomination punishable by death” and scripture about the “Synagogue of Satan” are typos? Or what gives. Another Protestant church I drove by in a nearby town has THEIR billboard out front listing their manifesto — words including “social justice”… Read more »
Yep, drove by a church with a sign out front that said, “Hate is NOT a Christian value.”
Well golly, who do you suppose the “haters” are?
I hate that saying…
Seriously, just another attempted chemical extirpation of white people’s gag reflex and survival instinct. We are being adjured to stand idly by, hat in hand, as our civilization is annihilated before our very eyes.
I consider HATE a gift from God that drives my manhood to protect those dear to me that are vulnerable.
Hate is a gift from God. Quote me.
Worthy of a bumper sticker. Slap it on a diesel-powered stomper with southern tags, cruise up and down Nassau in Princeton and watch the heads explode. Such good sport.
Don’t know where you live, but the Baptists were the only church in my community that objected when the town council was considering whether to recognize Pride month. I know they reached out to other churches to present a united front, but were the only church on record in opposition.
The Bible is not a suicide pact. Nor is the Constitution. The Vatican is being run by the jewish mob and/or its puppets and several catholic bloggers openly charge the Pope and his entourage as heretics, apostates and satanists. They are entirely correct to do so. The church has fallen before, and will again. I have every confidence that it will redeem itself sooner rather than later. Remember, God’s plans operate across generations. I can not see Him putting up with this crap forever. The Bible does not tell you to not judge people. It tells you to use judgement.… Read more »
“The Bible does not tell you to not judge people. It tells you to use judgement” Not letting you get away with that. Its “Judge not, lest ye be judged yourself” The first part of that is the command “Judge not” The second part is the consequence for disobeying the command coming from a man who has repeatedly threatened his followers with eternal damnation. It should be interpreted exactly as it’s written. I’m tired of Christians demanding the book of Genesis be interpreted literally, while simultaneously trying to twist the plain meaning of Jesus’s statements because the left has taken… Read more »
And I’m not letting you get away with that either. The Bible has to be taken in it’s entirety, not cherry picked by retarded atheists and fake Christians to support stupid claims or ridiculous viewpoints. That whole document can take a lifetime of study, anyone trying to paraphrase it with a few quotes is a moron trying to put on airs of intellect. In all probability most such people have never even read it, much less studying it or reflecting upon it.
That whose book is about judging people in a fair and Godly manner.
The more full quote for context is:
“Judge not, that you may not be judged, For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
In other words – do not be a hypocrite. You will be judged by the same standards you judge others. So it does not, in fact, prohibit you from judging others. It simply admonishes you that what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
I take exception to the judgement part.
Mathew 7:1 is fairly straight forward and easily understood.
Other than that, well stated and well spoken.
Bravo.
I am of the camp that Francis is not a legitimate Pope and the Holy See is currently open. As a Catholic of nearly 58 years, this is hard to contemplate and/or accept.
Like you said – “The Church has fallen and will fall again”.
I believe it has fallen and I am anxious for it to rise again.
Soon the heretic Sixties hippy Jesuit will be gone and maybe we’ll get a better pope.
This pope is more marxist than hippy.
The false pope and at least one of his favored cardinals sold little boys in gay bars in Argentina, and openly worships Pachamama in St. Peter’s.
Somehow I doubt it. How did we get Francis? Supposedly from all I read—over decades—was that John Paul and Benedict had appointed the “most conservative” College of Cardinals—ever. A new and conservative CC was to be their “lasting legacy”. Latin masses for all. Yada, yada…
Well, we got Francis—who was widely known to be of the South American Leftist ilk, and now he’s appointed a new College of Cardinals. Where do we see Leftists anywhere, after they’ve infiltrated and taken over an institution, relinquish control?
More proof that to allow the camel’s nose of Leftism under the tent-flap is suicidal. They must be completely excluded, all other considerations be damned.
Hear, hear!
We ‘got’ Fran like we ‘got’ Biden.
We went from Hitler Youth to Marxist. Very 20th Century.
Nice try, Z, I mean it–really nice try. I couldn’t do better, and probably not half so well, although I wouldn’t try to ascribe attitudes towards a religious figure set in the First Century AD, who may not even have existed. But modern Christianity is hopelessly universal, and is a very visible part of the general evolution of white people towards an inability even to recognize the Other when they make their appearance.
Christianity™ (Roman or otherwise) is man-made and self-serving; prone to all the failures and misdeeds of any human institution. Christianity™ was hopelessly corrupt and off the rails by the first ecumenical council.
Jesus was a prophet for his age and was one in a line of prophets that God inspired to various peoples around the world to clarify His message. I think we’re due for another great prophet to reaffirm His message for those with ears to hear.
Spoken like a true Moslem.
More like a bahai – weird cult that says exactly that (each age has its prophet sent by God). At least the Muzzies took a cue from Christians and ended with Ol’ Mo.
Why was Jesus born in Bethlehem? Because Joseph was complying with immigration law, and registering for the census.
Per a two minute video promoted by Elon, one long term goal of immigration is to change the census numbers (count the illegals), giving the Democrats a permanent majority in representation, and thus enabling a uniparty State.
He was returning to his home town for the census. That’s not exactly “immigration law.”
Not exactly. My point is that Joseph was complying with a law that ties people to specific areas. FYI, I did not downvote your comment.
Quoting scripture in support of arguments is such a fool’s errand. I’m not talking about the “truth” of the Bible or the existence of God. I’m talking about 1,200 page book with verses that are broad enough so they can mean anything to anyone. I don’t need the Bible, the Pope, or anyone to find God nor to understand what being invaded by criminals and cannibals really means. I don’t claim to know who Jesus was, but I sure as Hell hope he isn’t the push-over hippie who tells us that, “love is the answer” that the Left has quite… Read more »
Whose job would Jesus steal?
“The obvious counter to this is that Jesus was fine with slavery, so he surely would not oppose the deportation of illegal aliens.”
I guess if you’re in the capture/selling side, you’d have to be by default.
Z-man, You keep seeing the Church through the eyes of the modern Jesuits and therefore the facade pulled over the true Church. The Catholic Church’s official position (one that is in writing, albeit not being enforced today) is from the Pontifical Council document: People on the Move, N° 88-89 – Migration and the Social Doctrine of the Church (vatican.va) which basically state that countries should consider immigrants if it can economically take them on, but can reject them with good cause. The SDC also recognizes the right of states to control entry of persons and their borders. They have a… Read more »
Although what Letitia James did to Vdare was certainly unethical, it was apparently NOT illegal. I would like to suggest to an incoming Trump Justice Department start investigating the pseudo-Christian organizations that are giving vital logistical support to the migrant invasion. We’d like a list of all their donors please. How about their emails? What’s good for Peter Brimelow is good for the likes of David French We patriotic nationalist might be good at tactics such as Cat-Eating-Hattians mimes, but clever tactics are not enough. We need better strategy. Napoleon didn’t stop invading Russia until he ran out of… Read more »
That’s a perfectly good suggestion. However, I put Trump’s chances of being allowed to return to the White House at around five percent. And it’s even money that he doesn’t even survive until Selection Day.
A lot of that is pretty easy to find out. Granted, it was a whole lot easier when Ann Corcoran was still around to run Refugee Resettlement Watch, but it’s still all the same players, and they all issue their annual report and financial statements.
Most of the funding comes from, surprise, surprise, various federal agencies. Which CongressCritters of all persuasions fund through their CRs, refusing to be held accountable by passing an actual budget. Regardless of which party is nominally in charge.
ZMan makes a good if incomplete argument here. Jesus is far more angry at modern immigration than even he suggests. The topic is a large one but I will try to be brief. Babel rhymes with Babylon is codified as Babylon in the Book of Revelation. Babel is the nascent form of the 666 entity of Revelation which stands for a totalizing(6) human(6) system that brings the fringe of society into the center(6). GAE is a highly developed form of it as making the minority and miscreant the center of your society is the last 6 of progression. The problem… Read more »
“This is the official position of the Catholic Church. ” You’re welcome to bounce me, as this is your own board, but it is not the official position of the Catholic Church. Migrants/foreigners into new lands have an obligation to be law abiding, work hard, etc. Countries have duties to protect their citizens, etc. The official teaching is very complex and is simply not as simple as treat everyone equally. If I did that I would be a terrible Christian because I would be a terrible wife, mother, etc. What we see in the media is largely shaped by a)lefties/Jews and… Read more »
They claim Scripture requires the faithful to treat everyone equally, as God’s children.
It is true they make those claims, but i don’t see any support for it. In fact, the exact opposite – scripture is pretty clear you become God’s child through adoption (baptism), not simply through creation. God’s creature, yes (all created in His image and likeness); God’s child, no.
By their fruits, right?
I agree with @CompSci. This was a rebuke of what Christianity has become, not what He intended it to be.
This is the official position of the Catholic Church. Well, it is the stated position of: (1) a person who claims the chair of Peter; and (2) Many post Vatican II formed prelates and assorted apparatchiks. Jury is still out on the legitimacy of both. The official position of the Catholic Church is spelled out in its Tradition as enunciated over 2000 some odd years through magisterial pronouncements. You are looking at a very thin slice of current thought of rather unimpressive Church bureaucrats. Most of the “Church” also bought into the Arian heresy at one point. But yes, it… Read more »
The Devil can use scripture for his purposes.
Quoting scripture is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Theological reasons aside, Christianity arose as a small, persecuted religious sect that was open to everyone. Combined with its recognition of all people as children of God, that misleads some people into thinking that Christian societies should also be open to everyone, which is not true. Every society, Christian or not, defines who may or may not be in it — which people are members of the “in-group” and which are outsiders. “The larger point is: If you’ve got social division, then deal with it as well as you can. Avoid doing anything that would make the situation worse by… Read more »
Yahweh hung out in Eden with Adam and Eve. By the NT, you have the Father in Heaven, who barely makes an appearance. In fact, you have to die just to have the chance to meet Him. Yahweh gets angry and regrets creating humanity, the Father is perfect and loves perfectly. Things get more abstract. The more abstract, the less of this world, the less life imo. Seriously, think about it: if you want peace, perfection, and oneness, you might have them someday— just not in this fallen world, in this life. Even Jesus didn’t have them here. He even… Read more »
Let us pray for the wretched Ethopians in central Africa, that Almighty God may at length remove the curse of Ham from their hearts, and grant them the blessing to be found only in Jesus Christ, Our God and Lord -Pius IX, the Book of Indulgences, 1878 wgat moderns of all stripes don’t understand is that if Christ was god then he didn’t leave it up to the folly of man to interpret a bible he never commissioned himself or to make up conflicting Teachings . The Bible is a document of the Catholic Church and can’t be morally interpreted… Read more »
First of all, the idea that different races can live in peace together was never a mainstream thing.There was no need to make any statements about it because it’s so obvious. Here is st Augustine commenting on the whole race mixing idea which he may have only guessed could have become a problem. Notice he just doesn’t say, “this is my opinion”. He cites the apostles and calls it a rule. Citing the apostles is no joke. It means there is no changing it or overruling it: St. Augustine on Galatians 3:28: “Difference of race or condition or sex is… Read more »
Also…Jesus defines “neighbor” in Luke by telling a story whose cast might actually number in the single digits (low single digits at best). A story with only one victim (the traveller beset by thieves and left for dead) and only one person fitting Jesus’ def. of neighbor (it”s left unaddressed whether the innkeeper who temporarily takes a financial hit to house the traveller is also “neighborly”). Whereas the Springfield thing has a cast of tens of thousands of people, and the so-called victims (the Haitians) are very much not near death. Scale matters. (Though odds are, being Haitians, most of… Read more »
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Z continues to attempt his courting of the Christian crowd. But will he ever write about how the immigration crisis is being manufactured to bring about the “smart wall” (aka total surveillance state) that Don and all the rest want and which Vance backer Peter Thiel is building? My bets are on never hearing a peep about it around here.
You seem to have a different take than me, if you think Z-man’s missive was “courting” of the Christian crowd. The pointing out of “cherry picking”, which entails contradictory dogma is anything but “courting”. Rather it is a stinging rebuke.
Respectfully disagree. The courting is the ongoing, naked agenda-pushing in these pieces, attempting to get the Christian demographic to accept Thielism. “Jesus just HATES those dirty immigrant lovers! Can you just feel your hate?? It’s even biblical! Did you hear the immigrants eat cats?? CATS!!!! You know what we need to keep them out?? A SMART WALL!!!!”
Not saying immigration (as a manufactured crisis) isn’t an important point of dissident conversation, but the police surveillance state has always been more central and higher on the priority list. You won’t hear about that here for obv reasons.
Smart wall? Where does Z argue for that? Seems you’re arguing against a strawman. Yes, just about any call for tougher enforcement of any law can be twisted into a way to strengthen the police state. Think of the reaction to 9/11. Originally, it led to perfectly valid scrutiny of Muslims in the US. As time went on though, it became more about turning Homeland Security into a new Stasi. Most of us here don’t want a smart wall, just a return to sensible immigration policies like those that prevailed until 1965 or so. There was no technology available for… Read more »
Musk is a fking intel asset who works for the govt. He is a propagandist. How are you ex-Republicans so damn gullible? You’re absolutely not dissidents; the readership here is just jaded ex-GOP Reaganites and Bushies.
Z’s all for the globalist right–sorry, what he calls Cosmopolitan Conservatives. Aka technocratic Thielism. As propaganda, this is meant to whip you up until YOU beg for that damn smart wall yourself.
How can you not see how you’re being softened and emotionally manipulated in articles like today’s?
Thank you, o sage, for demystifying Z’s texts for us. We’re just a bunch of goofy rubes who are incapable of bowling out the nefarious intent skulking between the lines.
Not all hominids are Gods children no matter how much Judeo-Christian Universalist want it to be true ‘God Made a Racial Choice’ https://archive.org/details/god-made-a-racial-choice/mode/2up?view=theater and the Catholic menace is a much bigger problem: https://fgcp.org/content/catholic-menace-part-1 “The Vatican and the Papacy was never in Jerusalem. Let me paint you a picture of how the Mediterranean world operated at that time to give you a better understanding of how the catholic menace arose after the death and resurrection of Christ. The rise of the Papacy was a time and age that was anything but perfect and abounded with causes tending to corrupt whatever was simple and… Read more »