An interesting bit of subtext to the assassination of the United Healthcare CEO is how the reactions to it reflects the shifting politics in America. Twenty years ago, the general reaction online would have been what you see in television police dramas. The vast majority of the public would have been cheering on the police as they searched for the killer, while his family was paraded in front of the cameras. The dead guy would have been the unquestionable victim of a terrible crime.
On top of that, the people we call conservatives would have been waddling about in their comfort fit chinos, beating their chests about crime and the demonization of capitalism by the people we call the left. As soon as it was clear that the perpetrator was a white male, the people we call the left would have been tub-thumping about the need for gun control and maybe white male violence. Both sides would have done their act in front of predictably adoring audience.
Both sides have tried their normal act, but the world has changed and that means the audience is not as interested in the old shows. The people we call the left got this right away and stuck to giggling about the victim being the head of one of those evil health insurance companies they have been demonizing for decades. They were sure the killer was one of their own, due to his wearing a dark hoodie. In fact, a lot of people in the dissident camp assumed it was an Antifa too.
Based on the news reports, we can eliminate Antifa from the story. The guy they arrested has “pepe” in his social media profiles and is a fan of Uncle Ted, the avuncular character knowns as the Unabomber. While it is unlikely that he is “our guy”, he is clearly a young man who escaped the old political paradigm. He does not fit the left’s version of a hero or the right’s version of a villain. He has become a bit of a folk hero for many of the people who voted for Trump.
That last bit is what is vexing to the right-wing influencers. Their script does not have a section for this sort of character. The main job of conservatives is to celebrate and defend corporate power, but the bulk of their audience has long ago become fed-up by the abuses of corporate America. It was not the government banning them from the internet or cancelling their bank accounts. It is not the government race-swapping cultural content or running ads in favor of buggery.
There you see the big change in attitudes that is vexing legacy politics. For the last decade or so, it is the people we call the left who have been cheering on corporate America as they made war against our rights. The people we call conservatives sat silently as this went on. The CEO of United Healthcare could have been an anarcho-capitalist for anyone knows, but for the general public, he is the faceless symbol of corporate greed and avarice. People have had enough of it.
This case also reveals that the old American love of the outlaw is still there, buried under the piles of corporate slop. As the great Southern bard observed, outlaws touch the ladies somewhere deep down in their soul. America is a woman, so she has always had a love for the outlaw. The reason for that is the old frontier sensibility tells us that sometimes, you need the outlaw, because sometimes, a man needs killing and you cannot do that within the law.
That ties in neatly with the whiff of revolution in the air. The election of Donald Trump and the apparent acceptance of it by the political class has people thinking about more than just “owning the libs” in an election. To a lot of people, the bad guys look scared right now and this event feels like a nice reminder to them that there are worse things than losing an election. If the 2016 election was a warning to the ruling class, then the 2024 election is the final warning.
There is another angle here. The people we call the left have been demonizing health insurance companies for a long time. In typical booshie fashion, the rhetoric has gone well beyond factual criticism. Since Hillary Clinton waddled onto the stage, the left has been calling healthcare companies parasites that must be destroyed. Logically, it means the people running them are evil parasites who must be destroyed. Inside the real halls of power, people are making the obvious connection.
What the 2024 revealed is there has been a shift in the economic elite. Some members have figured out that there is real danger for them, and they backed Donald Trump and continue to back him as he prepares to take power. Elon Musk is not bunkmates with Trump by accident. This will not be a repeat of the first administration. Some members of the economic elite want reform because they do not want to be on the wrong end of the next viral assassination video.
In other words, it is not just the change in public attitudes that has the chattering classes vexed, but also the change in the economic elite. The killing of that CEO kicked over more than just the rock of public opinion. It revealed the growing angst of the economic elite in response to changing public opinion. Even though it was just one young man on a mission, it is a reminder that history has often pivoted on one man or one event, setting off a chain of events.
When the desires of the economic elite align with the desires of the populace, things can start happening in a hurry. That is the conclusion of this big study on how policy is formed in America. A decade ago, researchers discovered what has been obviously true since the dawn of time. Every society has an elite and they generally get what they want, despite public attitudes, but they always get what they want when they are on the side of the people.
This is why the chattering classes are struggling with this story. It is why they will put the whole thing on ignore now that the killer has been caught. They have been selected and trained to play particular roles in an old show, but now the curtain is falling on that show, so they must scramble for parts in the next show. The reason for that is the audience has changed and now the producers are changing along with them. Luigi Mangione put a bullet in all the old acts.
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Americans are tired of being told to compete and work hard when their daily reality is that corporate cartels run their lives. The Beatles’ “Day in the Life” can be rewritten to describe waking up to the Apple alarm, getting out of bed to take a cartel pharmaceutical, ordering junk from Amazon Siri, using a banking cartel credit card to pay, Googling directions to your new job working for a cartel while watching CNN talking about the MIC cartel bombing Syria while you eat processed foods from Archer Daniels. Oh, and your “health care insurance” bill is past due…….
Synchronicity II by The Police gives off the same vibe.
“and every single meeting
with his so-called superior
is a humiliating kick in the crotch”
Not only the economic elite but the ethnic elite. The reaction to Oct. 7 and Israel’s response seems to have shaken the Jewish community. Those black and brown mercenaries brought in to push whites into minority status (all cheered on by corporate America) turned out to be not so sympathetic to the usual suspects. Jews just assumed that they would be on (and lead) Team Victim, but the brown horde puts them on Team Whitey whether they like it or not. As a result, colorblind civic nationalism is now in vogue rather than celebrating identity politics. Also, importing more of… Read more »
Pretty much. But in their mythology, the Golem still gets totally out of control.
The fear is palpable.
It’s tough being a tiny minority trying to rule various tribes. Look at Syria. Being paranoid would be a necessary evolutionary adaptation, as would extreme ethnocentrism.
The Golem will always get out of control because no one like to be ruled by foreigners, especially foreigners who view you as beneath them. I can only hope that the Asians are watching this and saying, no thanks.
I pray for the copy cats – may there be many! 😂👍
Yeah, these malignant narcissists are useful….until they bite their masters. I expect non-stop demonization soon in the corporate press to try to forestall copycats. Here’s to paper shortages and power outages!
It is telling that the Irish prostitute Starmer publicly acknowledged the Great Replacement. I don’t believe for a second that he did so on his own. His Jewish handlers directed him. It is clear that at least some are rethinking the strategy whose implementation they inherited from their ancestors. That strategy is rooted in a fundamental truth: they hate us more than they love their own children.
Well Starmer is married to a jewess and they’re raising their children as jews so there’s that.
The richest part of Starmer’s acknowledgement is placing the blame on the Conservatives. Like all conservatives everywhere, the Tories had adopted Labour’s open borders policies to prove who the real xenophobes are!
Not only that, but they imported multiple rival elites. Vivek was the first taste of it. He rightly criticized the unthinking support for the greatest ally. He was spoken to and shut down and changed his tune quickly. He didn’t change his mind, he just read the room and did the needful to pursue power. If anything, more and more people will brush up against this and it will turn their palpable and legitimate criticism, met with roadblocks and quieting tactics, into a resentment and anger. They will be ambitious and powerful people on the ascent. Stephen Steinlighter’s big plan… Read more »
Guess I’m in a big group. 180 million, a huge proportion heavily armed, could take over The World.
“Hello, fellow white people!” Ehh, nope.
My town does a huge Christmas lighting display, all done by volunteers. Big tree in the village park, lights, pole trees, garland on the bridge. The local small hats did a menorah last year, for the first time after some intermittent whining about inclusivity, that looked like it was part of an airplane fuselage. I wonder if it makes an appearance this year.
Another interesting deal is Daniel Penny being exonerated – I was sure the fix was in on him. Of course the head blm jig has now threatened him, but who cares? The worm may be turning in multiple areas – hopefully.
It’s hard to seat a Manhattan jury that isn’t full of people who are afraid of crazies on the subway
I’d love for BLM to pull another of their capers, expecting full support from the Power Structure, only to receive the Bloody Sunday treatment. BLM would immediately melt away like the Wicked Witch of the West. Pipe dream, of course.
I’m not so certain it is a total pipe dream. TPTB seemingly have gotten frightened of their Golems and may be looking for a pretext to whack them. It likely would start with Antifa due to the racial element.
Didn’t they whack the Palestine protestors already?
Good point! I think the protests are ongoing on a smaller scale, but have been disappeared from the propaganda outlets, which raises the question of a tree falling in the woods.
It may somewhat delay the inevetable. the hate of “legacy americans” combined with arrogance will not allow the slightest introspection by those in the drivers seat.
The pot has been boiling, the heat must be turned up.
Societies always end & this one will as well. The only question is how, wimper or bang?
I’m beting on bang.
Who cares? I bet he does.
Maybe. Regardless, if I were him, NYC would be in the rear view mirror big time. F that divershitty dump…
The corporate pillaging will continue until moral improves. There is zero connection between the “elite” and the people. You cannot have a multiracial/multiethnic/multireligious high trust society. My grandfather was an engineer for Curtis Wright in Buffalo NY in the late twenties early thirties. When the Great Depression hit they laid off all of the single men first (including my grandfather). Married men had families to feed and the people that ran the company and the laid off single men knew that. There is no reciprocal loyalty between corporations and employees/customers, and there hasn’t been for fifty plus years.
Corporations pillaging? How quaint. You sound like a radical from the 1960s.
It’s the banksters pulling the strings, not evil corporate chieftains.
Why not both? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yup, plenty of tree limbs for all.
Really? I seem to recall investors walking back from DEI/ESG requirements and yet boards and CEOs are still merrily proclaiming how committed they are to the anti-white, anti-hetero, anti-male and anti-Christian agenda.
Investors are liars and executives are stupid. They’re politicians, analogous to permanent bureaucracy (finance) and elected officials (management). Corporate anti-whiteness is nowhere in retreat. But a new PR strategy is trickling down. Merit, efficiency, etc.—good ol’ American fair dealing! [flag ascends, lifted by an Indian]—now demand your replacement by foul-smelling retards. The moral fervor remains and the celebration of vengeance goes on, but cheering in the street—un-permitted parading—is no longer considered polite. The memo went to a lot of executives’ spam folders. Some who don’t get it—two at most, I’d predict, because class solidarity is everything to them—may be made… Read more »
Most insurance claims are fraud.
What’s also amusing is the Anthem reversal to put time limits on anesthesia coverage within 24 hours of this guys murder.
Could be coincidence. There was intense bad reaction to the policy. Anthem needs to fire their PR dept. for allowing the policy to go into effect without a counter narrative to simple greed in such undertaking.
Hahahaha….I missed that.
It seems to me that the USA is becoming more nakedly a plutocracy (or kleptocracy, if you will). Something more like Yeltsin’s Russia in the 1990s. I don’t know how this will play out. The level of dysfunction in the USA seems to be growing and converging, though perhaps slowly, to a third world level. In the third world nothing functions — not the roads, not the sewage, not power generation, not reliable food supply, not law and order. Eveything has to be arranged through bakshish and mordida, and family connections. The USA is still far from that point but… Read more »
Somewhere around here I made the point that Trump is Gorby and Yeltsin rolled into one. He is both the reformer and the agent of chaos due to his erratic temperament and uncertain conditions. I do not think it is an accident that the five richest Americans backed Trump in 2024 and are working with him on the transition.
The economic elite has been an absentee landlord for far too long. They let their managers run wild as they concentrated on their various pet projects. Now, they’ve discovered that their apartment building is falling apart, and the tenants blame them.
Btw, following your analogy, if Trump is Gorby and Yeltsin, who will be Putin?
“Btw, following your analogy, if Trump is Gorby and Yeltsin, who will be Putin?”
Vivek of course.
I hope that was /s
Ron Paul is the only one who measures up to Putin’s intelligence and eloquence!
Interesting that Trump gets support all up and down the line. Sure, Richie Rich and Daddy Warbucks support him, but so do far lesser fry. My barber is a Mexican and the vast majority of his clients are also Mexican. Two Saturdays ago I was waiting for my haircut and listening to the usual barbershop conversation. Everybody there avowed their support for Trump. These are working class Mexicans, not captains of industry.
Woke disgusts ordinary people far more than the self-important idiots understand. They attack the one think Joe six-pack and Jose have, their pride in being men. Globohomo will fall. The big Q is when
‘They attack the one think Joe six-pack and Jose have, their pride in being men.’
Yes. Our overlords and psycho-nannies do not understand masculinity, so likewise don’t understand that Joe and Jose have far more in common with each other, than either does with the wokesters and the fembots.
It is that potential brotherhood-in-masculinity that the regime fears. Trump is not an icon of this potential, only a faint harbinger.
It is that potential brotherhood-in-masculinity that the regime fears. Trump is not an icon of this potential, only a faint harbinger.
Ironically, one of the main reasons the Regime despises Trump is he exudes masculinity, faint as it may be. Things are turning back toward the natural order and that cannot be stopped.
What red-blooded male doesn’t want to grab ’em by the puss, I ask.
The key here is what I believe is true, and what I believe Trump said in regards to the Billionaire woman groupies. “…thats what they want you to do….”
We don’t learn-and some never learn-how dangerous the fairer sex is until we are much older and wiser. I’ll go with the contemporary sage Charlie Sheen on hiring prostitutes. Something to the effect of you don’t pay them for the sex, you pay them to go away.
Been clear to me since his first term that what the Left hates most about Donald is his unrepentant maleness.
This offends and enrages them at the most primal, dualistic level. The major Prog attack since the Sixties has been the Sisterhood against males. Women rule.
The Bureaucratic Gynarchy resulted, and they are desperate to retain both power and the ‘assent of the angels’ as expressed in public opinion . . . right-side-of-history jive.
It would be too over the top for fiction, but the sine qua non of the gynocracy–a lesbian Jewess prosecutor–losing her NYC murder case against an exemplary white male and former Marine, who rid society of an unruly Negro, is damned near perfection.
The worm has turned here in this regard and, yes, the belief in IRL metaphors is a bit superstitious. Nature always wins, more than even Africa.
True. An idee fixe of what I heard was an unvarnished loathing of so-called “wokeness,” which, of course, is actually garden-variety Leftism with a catchy new name.
It’s not just their “pride in being men.” It’s that they are the ones who actually keep the electricity flowing, the transmissions shifting, and the the sewers unclogged from the tampons and feces of the women who make far more than they do and accomplish far less while simultaneously bitching about how they are victims of the patriarchy. What do you think some guy making $20 an hour thinks when he has to deliver Amazon packages or the cut the grass for obese, married lesbian sociology professors with a combined income of $250k, full benefits and summers off? It’s not… Read more »
Now we just need our Putin.
I’m thinking Franco.
Hrrrmmmmm.
I have a half arsed theory about such things. Generally speaking (and granting the obvious temporary exceptions and outliers), white people cannot and will not live in a dystopian hellscape the way muds and mystery meat will. They may for short or extended periods… but eventually they always rebellion and re-establish some kind of civilized order. Ditto for the jews.
If my scholarly theory holds, modern managerialism is going to be a passing fad. All that remains to be seen is whether it destroys itself or is burned to the ground by the angry mob.
Contrast the veritable fountain of information about this Luigi with what is publicly known about Thomas Matthew Crooks. They even left Luigi’s social media up after he was arrested.
“Thomas Matthew Crooks” Why would anyone care who he was? He BARELY shot Cheeto Hitler. It would be like knowing the life story of BOM’s office secretary who gave her boss a paper cut.
The corporate elite have absolutely no loyalty to anything but money. Not the country, not their local community and probably not even their own family members. They are corrupt to the core and will do anything for a buck. This is the same class of people who shut down profitable American manufacturers and shipped them to China to make an extra buck. They kept doing it even when it became obvious that China would steal the technology and sometimes, even the production line.
Let’s hope there are many Luigi Mangiones spread throughout the land.
Ditto with the political class. It’s all short-term profits, long-term consequences be damned. Same looter mentality as scavengers stripping the copper wiring out of foreclosed homes.
Off topic (kind of): https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-832745
“The corporate elite have absolutely no loyalty to anything but money.”
If that’s true, then why did so many corporations go woke (anti-traditional white)? Even when some corporations like Bud Light were punished for their wokeness, why did Jaguar release its latest woke campaign?
Why do they adopt DEI policies that likely will lead to less profit? Why don’t they make movies to profit from all the Christians?
My guess is that many of the economic elite are zealots of a religion of anti-traditional-white, stronger than their greed. (If they lose enough, greed may reassert itself.)
To begin with, they are different people. But they also do the DIE stuff for money as well. They are worried about the corporate governance scores. They are also worried about what their fellow globohomo elite think of them.
Obviously, the woke corporations are somewhat of a different breed than all the manufacturers who sent their production lines to China.
The woke corporations still don’t have a shred of loyalty to the country, to their communities and likely their families as well.
Here’s a perfect example of what they do that doesn’t even involve offshoring:
https://voxday.net/2024/12/01/never-sell-out/
Maybe it’s the usual; follow the money. The corporations saw the Zeitgeist, and followed what’s been promoted in society. I don’t believe they knew beforehand how much money they’d lose. On the other hand, why Jaguar, when they witnessed the Bud Light fiasco? Could be previous contracts or simply sunk cost fallacy, or arrogance. Thinking their customers were more enlightened? However, I’ve long suspected there’s big money laundering going on. In movies especially, and gaming, why keep making woke material when losing millions? How about more immaterial benefits, loosening regulations for a new factory in case of Jaguar? Jaguars as… Read more »
One of Z’s more interesting pieces in quite some time. A couple of observations. First, when Coca Cola is to the left of Cornell, of what use is capitalism? After the conclusion of the Cold War, the Left colonized and ultimately conquered capitalism, just as it conquered academia in the 70s and 80s. To support capitalism tout court is to reify it at your own dire peril. The fact that this Mangioni guy took matters into his own hands decisively proves that some people understand what’s going on. “Feels So Good” Second, the college sports website from which I earn… Read more »
What’s going to happen to the grillers, what is already happening day by day, is that they will die off to the point where there aren’t enough of them to form a meaningful political bloc.
One might wonder why healthcare became out of reach to begin with, and why it is thus rationed on all levels. Liz Warren’s explain-all “corporate greed” doesn’t entirely explain how this sorry state came to be, largely within two decades, but immigration does – much as it largely explains escalating “housing” costs. Liz and Bernie never mention the economic effects of immigration. 24/7 demand generated from illegals clog every ER in the country – their single source of healthcare. The ER is their family doctor for everything from a sore throat to car accidents. And we all pick up the… Read more »
Not only that, think of an additional 20 million toilet flushes per day, showers and laundry per day, Higher demand heating costs and AC bills per month, housing shortages, additional teaching staff, additional road maintenance for 5 million more vehicles being driven, higher car insurance because of uninsured motorists, you get the picture..
There are bigger problems in America than our overpriced health care, but most of the problems stem from a corrupt, alien elite who see the people as little more than economic animals to be milked and fleeced. In this sense, the killing did strike at the source of the bigger problems driven by the elites: Mass immigration, corporations undermining the foundations of society, gross – obscene differences in wealth: Folks are sleeping under bridges, and the elites are buying their third, or fourth multi-million dollar mansion. Who needs more than two mansions? This guy could be Pretty Boy Floyd for… Read more »
and how effective was Pretty Boy Floyd at resetting the power structure?
It’s not entirely clear to me that this Luigi (very cute) of the wealthy is anything more than a well to do patsy who needed some cash to survive. If that theory is correct, we can expect his with suicide via toilet paper (and without security cameras) any day now. The only real part seems to the murder. I don’t think 26 year old men write 3 page handwritten* manifestos and then don’t leave them with the body. I don’t think that 26 year old men who are supposedly brilliant keep all the evidence on their person, just be found… Read more »
I guess I’ve been reading and commenting here waay too long, but we tend to think a bit alike. Whereas I called the “hit” non-professional and got that right, I really look at this whole incident with another perspective than main stream. This is an amazing tracking and rundown of the “suspect”. Too amazing, almost unbelievable. Should we believe that we live in a complete police surveillance State and nothing goes on that isn’t recorded and that any matter of importance to the police can be immediately tracked back to the perpetrator? Or as mentioned, should we believe that the… Read more »
While I generally agree with your comment, I think that in dense urban zones almost everything is indeed recorded. Not actively monitored of course, but cameras are ubiquitous. This is largely thanks to a reasonable fear of crime – we’ve done it to ourselves.
OTOH, if you want to assassinate somebody, you shouldn’t do it in the middle of the day and in the middle of a busy street in a large city. The fact that the hit was done this way, could mean two things – either the perpetrator didn’t think this through (or didn’t care) or it’s all a show.
Finding him with the murder weapon and his manifesto in his bag after an anonymous tip in a McDonalds sounds a lot like finding one of the 9/11 hijackers passports on the sidewalk a block from the towers. The guy seemed reasonably smart. Smart enough to know not to have incriminating evidence on him and to change clothes and ditch the mask after he got out of the immediate area. Lots of places have solar-generated compactor trash cans, especially on college campuses. If this truly is the guy, the slightly more believable explanation is that they tracked him down using… Read more »
“Parallel construction.” Cops launder illegally obtained evidence by making up a legal way they might have found it and pretending that’s what happened. The entire judicial system approves. There’s no such thing as an unlawful arrest/prosecution. (Of course there are people who can’t be arrested or prosecuted.) The McDonalds story is in-your-face bullshit, as all such stories are now, because they’re made up by sadistic children. Why does a misbehaving kid always lie so implausibly? Typically it’s because he has no idea of—no possible access to—the adult mind that would judge his lie. It’s real to him. If he says… Read more »
Or, his hero is uncle Ted, and he looks forward to long correspondences with adoring pen pals; but unlike Ted, babes with photos and declarations of love.
Gavrilo Princip.
“History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme.”
Imagine a guy like Luigi showing up at the J6 protests, and imagine he’s not a lone wolf but there are 20-30 just like him… I’ve said for a long time that the over-the-top response to J6 was straight up fear born from the knowledge that THEY GOT LUCKY. Lucky that 99.9% of the protesters went home before dark, and none were really violent. We live in a very open and vulnerable society. Countless county health department employees are very, very, lucky that people played along with the COVID charade. It’s not hard to find where those people live and… Read more »
Whether he deserved death is debatable. In normal times when madness was quarantined rather than normalized, when civilization rather than savagery was the rule, you could put up with the odd dirtbag CEO. But by the thunderous balls of Zeus, when civilization hangs on by a thread, one can argue the taproot of that civilization must be refreshed by the blood of those who are poisoning it.
I don’t know. By that logic should we kill all the people who went along with the covid stuff? How about the fat, lazy, slobs who are 100lbs overweight clogging up the healthcare system making it harder for me to get in to the doctor and driving prices through the roof because they’re too fricking lazy to just. stop. eating. and go for a walk every night. Lots of people talking about the physique of white people in football stadiums in the 60’s and 70’s compared to the shirtless beluga white whales there today. You can only blame so much… Read more »
“By that logic should we kill all the people who went along with the covid stuff?”
No, but they should be kept as far away from any position of authority you can think of. And many of them do not deserve the jobs they hold. They can’t even run their own lives efficiently and i’m supposed to believe they do any good at work?
On this we agree. Making them “essential” with full pay made them far too powerful. If you have the power to lock down businesses en masse, you should forfeit pay and benefits until the order is lifted. And no back pay.
Like I wrote on Monday, those county health dept workers are lucky that business owners and workers didn’t show up at their homes to “deal with the problem” violently.
Some of the most NON essential people in America kept their jobs during covid.
Big diff between a tub of rancid lard in aisle 4 and the CEO of a major corporation whose objective, in part, is to help subjugate whites and to empower not whites at our expense.
Pure gold today.
post-America is a stack of powder kegs. The former country is a dry and rotting barn that holds them stacked to the rafters. The, “elites”, have been lighting fires and throwing torches at the barn with scorn, avarice and spite for quite a while.
Nobody knows which torch gets through and nobody has a healthy fear of not knowing what the blast radius will be. They have it all under control. Until they don’t.
P.S. We must be extremely disciplined and focus all energy on constructive action for ourselves, our families, our friends and congregations and those in our networks.
Syria is a good reminder how fast an exhausted government can fall
Given that everything we read is suspect, he is supposedly an heir to a fortune. If that is true, high healthcare costs probably were not an issue for him.
He is a young, good looking rich kid. He was given a life that most people would envy. How likely is it that he risked throwing this away to draw attention to a problem that didn’t affect him?
It’s not impossible that he wanted to be an avenger for the masses. That feeling can be pretty intoxicating, especially for the young. Or is there a larger play afoot?
I am skeptical that the economic elite have really gotten religion and are on our side now. Capitalists are profit-driven creatures and maximize profit by minimizing costs. Labor is typically the biggest cost in a business, so capitalists favor any policy that drives down the cost of labor. That means outsourcing to cheap labor countries and importing non-white labor to do the work that is still done here. That is economic and cultural poison for the American working class but ambrosia for the capitalists. They may have gotten a little janky with the woke stuff they helped promote but are… Read more »
It depends. Military sectors can see mass third world immigration squeezing out all spending but social welfare, so they are on our side. No one else but the feds will fund them. Same with Musk. And for the Silicon Valley types, Marc Andreesen noted in Spring they had a meeting with the Biden Admin. They were told not to work on AI as only 2/3 firms would be allowed to do so and would do so under direct government control and supervision. Even worse with crypto. Andreesen noted more than 30 crypto or ai funders or ceo’s debanked by Elizabeth… Read more »
One of the interesting things I learned came from watching a certain subset of youtube that engages in “can you believe what Disney is doing now to ruin our childhood entertainment?” videos. They pointed out something that floored me when an private party was mulling over buying out Disney. Disney had almost no operational capital. Its warchest was in the millions, not the tens of millions. While entertainment is an investment-driven enterprise, you’d figure they’d have a lot of cash from their parks and merchandise. A lot of companies seem to be in this position where they have almost no… Read more »
Which is why you should never bailout wall street, and also why 401ks should not exist. I mean how can you say no to a bailout when they have a gun to your families head? Many of them defaulted on pension promises in the 70’s and 80’s and i’m 110% certain your 401k will at least soft default. (the only thing the board and shareholders care about anymore) They care about power, the system has consolidated so much that corporations basically run everything now anyways. It is why they’re too big to fail, they’re the system. Democracy is just cheap… Read more »
Good points. I posted this earlier, but applies to your remarks too; It’s always, follow the money. The corporations saw the Zeitgeist, and followed what’s been promoted. I don’t believe they knew beforehand how much money they’d lose. On the other hand, why Jaguar, when they witnessed the Bud Light fiasco? Could be previous contracts or simply sunk cost fallacy, or arrogance. Thinking their customers were more enlightened? However, I’ve long suspected there’s big money laundering going on. In movies especially, and gaming, why keep making woke material when losing millions? How about more immaterial benefits, loosening regulations for a… Read more »
It’s not just the money, they’re trying to destroy any understanding on why the current system is good. They screwed it up really bad, we need to default, but they won’t allow it while they still rule because they’d risk being discredited. They’re trying to run out the clock, and when the system fails they’ll say, gee we told you it was a bad system, try our new one with CBDC!
“This case also reveals that the old American love of the outlaw is still there, buried under the piles of corporate slop.” It’s why one of the talking points of the election had no effect: the point that Trump was “a convicted felon”. You could hear the vituperation as the pundits hissed and spat that expression at the electorate. When it didn’t work to scare them from supporting Trump, it was used to shame them for doing so. It was specifically designed to work on someone like me, a woman who’s always been a law-and-order conservative. But it failed. Instead,… Read more »
To Hell with them guys. Buzzards gotta eat same as worms.
Better to ride with him than with the Comancheros
“How is it with stains?”
https://youtu.be/2sh0wr7HH8Y
A wealthy elite murders another wealthy elite. “America” – Act One Scene One….
Elites retain their legitimacy insofar as they broadly share the interests and values of the general public, and are open to talent from below. That has not been true of our current ruling class for at least a generation.
Insert “You reap what you sow”/ “Everyone gets what they fucking deserve” meme here.
History will record Luigi via that iconic image in a hoodie with a genuine smile on his face. And the execution was artistry, so this could become folklore like the OK Corral. Most importantly, it was unexpected in most respects. Daniel Penny rescued 30 old subway riders from a deranged crack addict, and is now regarded as a hero. If United Healthcare now changes its policy of rejecting 34% of claims, what does that say about Luigi’s contribution to society?
Mangione and Rittenhouse in ’28? Penny as Sec of Defense?
‘America is a woman, so she has always had a love for the outlaw.’
Such an obvious fact, yet grossly overlooked. She’s also known as ‘Columbia’, not coincidentally the central District of global power, yes indeedy a woman rides (controls) the beast. Washington is a shrine and a pedestal for the deity of our elites.
That statue in NY harbor is modeled on the goddess Libertas. . . she of the Jacobin pileus.
When they crow that the Future is Female, they are not making a request.
Now that law enforcement has caught this dude so easily, they can go back and find the dude that planted the pipe bombs.
I’ll bet if they really want to find him, all they have to do is page him in the J. Edgar Hoover Building, LOL.
What I find interesting is why didn’t any of his family members come forward if he was so easy to spot by a random observer in a MacDonalds? Naming your son “Luigi” in deference to your origins definitely played a role IMHO, i.e., blood is still thicker than water among certain “white” Americans. Although Italians are assimilable in the grand scheme of American identity, what was a flair for pride in one’s origins over this last generation may become less palatable going forward. Some Shitaviouses of the new generation may even become Steves with a thought to their long-term survival.… Read more »
Maybe they were okay with what he did and decided to pretend they didn’t recognize him…
As long as they weren’t messaging each other “OMG that’s Luigi!” it wouldn’t be provable that they withheld info.
If that was my kid, I think my response would be, “I don’t see the resemblance,” and hope for the best.
Northern Italians are essentially Germanic in character and blood. Southern Italians are quite different in both. The Mangioni family is neither. They are Sicilian.
Had a martial arts instructor who was Sicilian. He grew up in the Deep South and identified as a negro, not literally but pretty much.
Another masterpiece Mr Z man. Thank you.
The Healthcare CEO’s Murder Is Yet Another Fake
https://stateofthenation.info/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Healthcare-CEO-Assassination.pdf
I have a sneaking suspicion Miles Mathis might be right about this one also.
The details are extremely fishy.
Considering the surfeit of surveillance cameras in NYC, it’s possible and even plausible that the “murder” would be caught on one. But it is nevertheless remarkable that it was perfectly in frame. Also remarkable that the footage was released to the public immediately, even though it provided nothing helpful regarding the killer’s face. Then, days later, the guy is found at a McDonald’s with the murder weapon still on him. But even more ridiculous, (I am quoting AP here), in possession of “writings critical of the healthcare industry.” I don’t know about you, but that’s always the kind of thing… Read more »
I am skeptical about his arrest. Even with that picture of him smiling, he was nondescript enough that I doubt anyone would have later linked him to the videos. It seems unlikely that a MacDonalds’ employee would have recognized him and called the FBI. Not impossible, just implausible.
Is this drama a part of a larger orchestrated scheme? One might guess that this would be a play to motivate gun control, but the lack of calls from the media for that is also surprising.
Based on the narrative/zeitgeist, some kind of health insurance reform would appear to be the most likely angle, if there is an angle. I’m just having a hard time with this guy carrying anti health industry literature with him when he goes to McDonald’s. Does he not leave home without it?
Not really one for so called reform when one of the major reasons for the dysfunction is government regulation and policy in the first place. in any event, reform will come in the guise of socialized, “free” medicine as we’ve seen in other Western countries with even more government control and regulation. At that point nothing will change—except when, and if, you do get “treated” you’ll not pay. Then the hew and cry will be for more resources as we’ve seen all over the world. Look for the same long emergency room waits, the same infinite time to see a… Read more »
Think of the guy as a nut living out a fantasy story he’s planned out in his mind in intense detail. The plot of the story needed to move forward, and so he made himself visible and carried what he needed with him to ensure everyone knew they had the right guy. The fantasy story isn’t nearly as cool if he just walks into Brooklyn 99 and turns himself in. The story had a plan, a murder, a daring escape, taunting of law enforcement (various photos and clues he left behind), an “on the lamb” chapter, and then our hero… Read more »
and suddenly any form of dissent is labeled a mental illness……….. Censorship and debanking via other channels!
i don’t know if you’ve been keeping up on current events, but this county is being overwhelmed by lunatics.
Sometimes, dudes put on sundresses and pretend to be women. Sometimes, they get elected to Congress.
That manifesto girl who shot up a kindergarten wasn’t “dissent” either. She was mentally insane, and we all allowed that person near children.
Yes but they’re the supported kind of insane. If you haven’t noticed, the “right” is being made a criminal act all thruout the western world. In other words “he might be an idiot, but he’s our idiot!”
It’s also quite plausible that he’s a complete nut. And like a lot of complete nuts, he’s highly intelligent, and planned the whole thing out in precise detail, up to and through his amazing escape on the streets of the city. Then, a week later, low on cash and still uncaught while wandering around Altoona, PA, he had no way to get on to the next chapter of his mental fantasy which was his capture and “sticking it to the man” in court. So, he makes it obvious who he is while in a public place. Maybe smiles for the… Read more »
Most of us on this side of the divide know the press always lies even when they don’t need to do so. However, even the DR will accept what the Media is writing and saying about this. Something about the (supposed) murder (maybe all of it) has to be a lie. Maybe all of it is a lie.
“While it is unlikely that he is “our guy”, he is clearly a young man who escaped the old political paradigm.” Classificatory labels like ‘right’, ‘left’, ‘conservative’, and ‘liberal’ change meaning over time. They are transient descriptors of personal identity and mutual self-interest. Transitioning to a new order takes two kinds of individuals, destroyers and (re)builders. Mangione is in the former category. Whatever other labels one might apply to him, he sacrificed his life to strike a blow against evil. Most of our corporate administrators like Brian Thompson and the alien internationalist rulers who organize the legal and moral framework… Read more »
“Whatever other labels one might apply to him, he sacrificed his life to strike a blow against evil.” And in doing so might have brought a smile to the face of departed a certain Alexander. One of his laments, NOT the common quotes still out their from the dissident, goes like this: ‘if only someone had booby trapped the hallway maybe the wife of one NKVD agent would have to worry her man would not return home that night.’ You get the idea.ONE oppressor is struck down and suddenly massive corporations are ‘scrubbing names and faces’ and changing policies. Imagine.… Read more »
“He sacrificed his life to strike a blow against evil.”
No matter the analysis, or the final story, this will always be true.
Mangione is giving me some old south-central Italian anarchist vibes. Zman is right when noticing the departure from the standard Antifa schema (Germany-derived). In fact, it begs a parallel with the Wall Street bombings which were a cold-shower for the WASP elite. Perhaps with the de-WASPing of America we’re going to see all of the old modes of thinking go out of the window. Time to dust off the political Mediterranean classics, Southern-European thought is going to be so back. Libro e moschetto – fascista perfetto As the great Southern bard observed, outlaws touch the ladies somewhere deep down in… Read more »
Mangione’s family at least was wealthier than the CEO. The latter grew up in working class poverty and attended some no name school. The former went to a $40,000 a year prep school and UPenn.
So it is even more complicated.
Please see my response to Mr Ostei below. I am not sure what the wealthy family has to do with the subject, unless we want to comment on the common pattern of radical upbringing…
Uh, the United Healthcare CEO may have attended a public high school, but he attended the University of Iowa and obtained a Bachelor’s in Business focused on accounting. UofI is a state flagship university, which is not quite no name.
In a weird parallel with his assassin, he was also the valedictorian of his class and college.
Wow, Guilty already, on the basis of no evidence whatsoever,
A descendant of Sacco and Vanzetti?
The spirit lives on! As it well known on this side, you can never cheat the blood.
I think it possible he might be a patsy. Remember, when the story first broke, the tall foreheads in law enforcement said the perp was armed and did the deed with a super rare, exotic bolt action veterinarian pistol used to euthanize farm animals. It was obvious to even non-gunnies he was using a generic automatic pistol. And Lo and Behold – these mighty paragons and icons of modern law enforcement catch the perfect perp in less than a couple days. Pull my other finger fellas. We’ll know the truth of it soon enough I suppose. If he dies n… Read more »
If it is the public realm, “reported” it is a lie. Where the truth is at, who knows. But we know where the LIE is at: in our faces.
I think this is hilarious. We are living in a simulated comedy show. A very terrifying, cruel and unusual one, but that just makes it way more funny to be honest. Cheeto man, regime appointed assasins, e-thots, AI and UFOs are just the last few months big topics. The simulation recycles them faster each year. C’mon who here is taking life seriously anymore? Sure, go have family dinners try to be a good man etc. but I don’t care anymore. Whatever happens in 2025, I’ll be laughing all the way through till that eternal void swallows me whole.
When Black Friday comes I’ll stand down by the door And catch the gray men when they Dive from the fourteenth floor When Black Friday comes I’ll collect everything I’m owed And before my friends find out I’ll be on the road When Black Friday falls You know it’s got to be Don’t let it fall on me When Black Friday comes I’ll fly down to Muswellbrook Gonna strike all the big red words From my little black book Gonna do just what I please Gonna wear no socks and shoes With nothing to do but feed All the kangaroos… Read more »
Interesting take, but mine is somewhat different. Mangione is not a Cloud but he comes from an extremely wealthy, Cloud-adjacent family. He is an illustration of a relatively recent phenomenon in American terms, which is the uber rich malignant narcissist. These types think they are exempt from punishment for any crime that gives them the selfie rush, or, as you put it, the attraction of minor celebrity. They are not exempt, though, and conflate themselves with actual Clouds in this regard. Interestingly, the fired psycho bitch “journalist” Taylor Lorenz has been outed as a Mangione follower and has gotten herself… Read more »
I had a similar observation calling them “cousins”. Cloud-adjacent has a nice ring to it. Assuming Mangione is the guy, the fact that he was found at a McD’s in Altoona means he was just wandering around after the murder. He expected to be caught and left clues to help. But he only had a little bit of pocket money which had probably started to run out. It was taking too long and he got tired of waiting because Act III of his fantasy is the game and notoriety and “Robin Hood” story line. So he makes himself very visible… Read more »
Mangione definitely wanted to be caught. The guy is a typical malignant narcissist, a type that now has a huge representation in the upper classes. They have enough money to buy more than fifteen minutes, too, although he added to his allotment on the relative cheap (buses, really?). These are the types who are always the first killed after a successful revolution they worked hard to make possible, understandably so to everyone but them. The fear Mangione has generated among the Clouds is quite useful and to be applauded, but people need to be realistic about what a loathsome bastard… Read more »
“The fear Mangione has generated among the Clouds is quite useful and to be applauded, but people need to be realistic about what a loathsome bastard he is.” Agree. He’s a narcissist. A LOT of people have suffered FAR worse injuries that his back surgery that made his dick limp, with far less in the way of financial and educational resources. Imagine being some poor bastard conscripted to go to Vietnam and getting both your legs and your dick blown off. And then reading the Pentagon Papers when you got back. A guy like that would have had a real… Read more »
I’m surprised they allowed the shooter to come in alive. That unheroic McDonald’s employee might have saved his life because there were too many people to smoke him. He’ll be the hero of Sing Sing
They need him alive. He comes from their team and they need to find out how big of a problem they have with their usually-reliable supporters.
i hear CEO was big in making money selling trans hormones for children.
A bit off topic, but not totally…. Can Daniel Penny be recharged with manslaughter? He was neither convicted nor acquitted of this charge. It was withdrawn by the prosecution while the jury was deliberating. I just don’t know how far double jeopardy protection goes. Same act, different charge. Double jeopardy protection has been weakened for decades. Some guy in the 80s was charged 3 times for the same murder, two of which ended in acquittals. They finally got him in some military court. He is probably thanking the good Lord that Kamala didn’t win, otherwise he could be facing federal… Read more »
There is still plenty of time for federal charges. And he can be retried on the manslaughter charge
No, they have until 1/19/25 to file Federal charges. And would they knowing who is being inaugurated? Job security says they’ll leave it alone and try to bankrupt him in civil suits.
In a civil suit, I think he might have more room to present evidence that the other dude was nuts. In fact, he should counter-sue the family for allowing an obviously deranged family member to ride the NYC subways unsupervised.
There’s almost certainly civil jackpot action coming too.
Neely’s old man is already on it.
“America is a woman, so she has always had a love for the outlaw.”
As Waylon Jennings observed, “Ladies love outlaws/Like babies love stray dogs.”
status, they love that more then anything
“Even though it was just one young man on a mission, it is a reminder that history has often pivoted on one man or one event, setting off a chain of events.“
Yep. Paraphrasing Baldrick, The Great War started because some bloke named Archie Duke shot an ostrich because he was hungry.
Some years back, Zman had a good podcast about the spate of bombings and assassinations at the end of the 19th and early 20th centuries.
I wonder if he considers this murder to be a hint for return of those times.
Luigi Mangione is no one’s idea of a hero and anyone who finds him praiseworthy should take a close look at themselves in the mirror. He crept up on a guy with a suppressed weapon and shot him in the back. That makes him the worst type of coward and because of his degenerate attitude a family is out a husband and father. This wasn’t exactly Hamilton vs Burr or Marshall Dillon facing down a bad guy, it was a morally bankrupt and blackened soul carrying out a thoroughly disgusting deed and it needs to be recognized as such. There… Read more »
You might want to check the temp of your brisket.
The executive was a family man without priviledge who worked his way high up the ladder into a corporation we have come to realize is, as are they all, noxious to the public. His killer is a boy of great privilege who knows nothing of humility and, he believes, everything of the world.
I don’t care about privilege one way or the other. I care about the elite class, how they annihilated America and are well into the process of dismantling Western civilization. They must be stopped, and all the Buckleyite badinage and Republican electoral politics haven’t accomplished sweet Fatty Arbuckle. It may well be time to escalate and Mangione did just that.
Indeed. The weak sister hedgers on social media are cowards who won’t be reliable when things get hot.
You stop them by standing up to them and refusing their dictates. You don’t stop them by cowardly assassinations. Lincoln was shot from behind too and it had the effect of making the state stronger. Suppressors are under consideration for being taken off the NFA 34 list and one of their wind up toys caps a guy in the back with a suppressed weapon (that may or many not have been printed). That not only isn’t the thing to do it’s playing right into big brother’s hands. Awfully convenient timing there, plus the praise for Mangione’s heinous act from certain… Read more »
Thank you for making my point.
You can find Mangione both loathsome and useful–I certainly do. But as Ostei wrote, the grill is a rough addiction.
I don’t know what that means.
Of course you don’t
Who cares about the CEO’s humble beginnings? He chose to make millions on the misery, suffering, and death of thousands of people. Having a hard time understanding your sympathy other than perhaps you are padding your social media to deflect our surveiling masters.
If Brian Thompson deserved to die, then so has every president since FDR.
And that right there is your first mistake…
Obviously, the human decency in me can’t support gunning down another human being. But at the same time, I do have a rather twisted and subversive sense of humor sometimes, so call me amused:
“McDonald’s where New York shooting suspect caught flooded with negative reviews”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/09/mcdonalds-suspect-arrest-negative-reviews
Peaceful improvement of our lives has been made impossible, so anything that terrorizes “the rich” is good, no matter who does it or why. Insert meme pic of Hitler standing tall in a crowd of thousands vs. Merkel cowering in her bulletproof limo. The isolation of every ruler, manager, boss, etc. from all of us—their victims—should be made not their choice. The man in the house on the hill should not only be afraid to be seen in town; he should be terrified to turn on a lamp in a window. Many of them are. The elite of the censorship… Read more »
Indeed. I find Mangione reprehensible, a malignant narcissist from the wannabe upper-est class, loathsome in all respects, but putting the/his Cloud overlords into a panic makes him useful. The bone of Woke thrown to take the hounds off the trail in the wake of Occupy Wall Street has run its course. Economics, second only to nature, wins more often than Africa. Adding to their fear was his use of a ghost gun. Mangione very well may have had a stash of IEDs or worse. We would never hear about it, of course, but our masters certainly would. The ubiquitous surveillance… Read more »
Useful in what way? Do you actually think reform is coming? Based on history it gets crazier and crazier because reform doesn’t come. Not the other way around. Democrats will not give up healthcare, which is why i find all this funny. Healthcare is a democrat run racket, and would have failed years ago without immense government support, and uh even .gov has a limited balance sheet, even though they seem to think they don’t. It’s like magic, ya just gotta believe! Obamacare wasn’t about helping joe schmoe, it was a bailout of the insurance industry. Just like taking rates… Read more »
However bad the McDonalds is, the Sheetz next door is invariably worse…
The economic elite are smarter than their paid Toadies, the politicians. Buried deep within the torso of the rich, where a heart should be, is a keenly sniffing nose for survival. The rich and powerful remember the lessons of the French and Russian Revolutions. They know there could be a real American revolution in the 21st Century and they are, if not afraid, at least concerned. The rich, responding to the new populist movement, will begin deploying their resources in the media and elsewhere to shape a new narrative. The narrative? Why, how cute and cuddly the dominant rich are,… Read more »