Foreign Policy Realism

One of the interesting things about the shift in foreign policy initiated by the Trump administration is that it is a break from what has been policy for a century. This sudden lurch into realism is a departure from Wilsonian democracy. Trump wants to center policy on the material interests of the country. Up until now, policy was centered around moral claims about how the world ought to be ordered.

Through the Cold War it was assumed that pragmatism was the rule because of the threat of nuclear annihilation. The better way to view it is that Wilsonian democracy was on a leash for forty years. Once the Cold War ended, it was like a hyperactive dog that got under the fence. The last thirty years has been an explosion of Wilsonian democracy playing catchup for lost time.

Even during the Cold War, American policy makers and politicians had a fondness for moralizing about the world. There were endless debates over the morality of dealing with dictators who happened to be anti-Soviet. This was finally resolved in the 1980’s with the distinction between authoritarian and totalitarian. The former was a temporary compromise, while the later was a forever enemy.

Once totalitarianism ended, then it was a race to go around the world addressing the temporary tolerance for governments not up to American standards. Now it seems this has run out of road and necessity is once again forcing a return of realism in the foreign policy realm. That is the show this week. It is a general primer on realism versus the idealism that is now being abandoned.


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This Week’s Show

Contents

  • Intro
  • Foreign Policy: How Nations Behave
  • Just War
  • Wilsonian Democracy
  • Liberalism
  • Thucydides
  • Realism

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bob sykes
bob sykes
20 days ago

Gilbert Doctorow, re criticism of Donald Trump’s first month in office: “That type of criticism and kind of ad hominem argument is not acceptable. It is a polite form of slander. Donald Trump is often seen by many, many people in the States, and abroad, as a buffoon, a superficial person, someone who really isn’t capable of serious politics. He’s a businessman. He’s looking for his personal interest in this or that deal. This is nonsense. In the last three weeks, we have seen Trump perform as one of the most skilled geopolitical actors on the face of the earth.… Read more »

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  bob sykes
20 days ago

It looks like the media is already making up the poll numbers to try to claim he is “underwater” and “slipping.” None of the articles that talk about this explain how his approval ratings are tanking even though Americans support DOGE, support the way he treated the surly dwarf, loved his SOTU speech, support his border and immigration actions, etc. The media is trying to tell us that Americans support what he is doing and rate his presidency negatively. How stupid do you have to be to believe this?

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Geoff
Geoff
Reply to  Mycale
20 days ago

I think it’s psychosis much more than stupidity, genes that could result in that level of stupidity would almost certainly be lethal in gestation.

On that Memeorandum site, they have an article from the NYT “Trump’s Policies Have Shaken a Once-Solid Economic Outlook”. The kooks still think they can sell the idea that Bidenomics was working great, 6 months after Trump gets put in largely as the result of Bidenomics. True detachment from reality

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Geoff
20 days ago

True but Trump’s ultimate success will depend on economics more than any foreign policy triumphs. By success I mean a shifting of the GOP to Trump’s outlook and a successor who will continue his approach. It is always the economy that voters pay most attention to. What is going on with the economy now will not count much. What is going on three years from now will.

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Mycale
20 days ago

Big Media is shameless. The more they’re caught lying, the more they lie. They just can’t help themselves.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
20 days ago

The good news is we have seen their zenith. Every day they are less influential

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
20 days ago

“They just can’t help themselves.”

It’s like the old cautionary tale of the frog and the scorpion. The media talking heads are liars by their very nature. So you are absolutely right: They can’t help it.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
20 days ago

“Measles outbreak! Trump’s fault!!”

Ironically the vast majority of non-vaccinated kids are from ultra sht-lib parents who took their medical advice from former playboy centerfold Jenny McCarthy.

Big Media is a joke.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  ProZNoV
20 days ago

Actually, the Texas outbreak is among Mennonites, a relatively poor group.

NoName
NoName
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
20 days ago

Ostei Kozelskii: “Big Media is shameless. The more they’re caught lying, the more they lie. They just can’t help themselves.” =============== Mar 3, 2025 Flu activity continues to decline in US, latest CDC data shows For the second consecutive week, flu activity in the U.S. has decreased. https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4302848/posts =============== Mar 7, 2025 In a chilling blow to religious freedom, Amish children in New York are now being forced to receive vaccinations against their families’ deeply held beliefs—under threat of massive fines and exclusion from their own private schools. https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4302837/posts =============== And peeps wonder why I’m terrified of children entering Pediatricians’… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Mycale
20 days ago

When the truth does not serve your purpose, lie. MSM 101. There are plenty of people who no longer know the difference, but do prefer a sweet lie to a harsh truth. And that’s not even a slight solely against the hard Left. It is a human insight. Many in the “Right” column are also guilty. The truth is overwhelmingly that— whereas Trump shows “great” promise in his first days in office—his ultimate accomplishments will/must be judged in a longer timeframe than a couple of months. Hard days lie ahead. Human nature dictates that those who are now his die… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Compsci
20 days ago

Many white people, certainly not all, are a disadvantage because we instinctively dislike lying and it’s hard for us to imagine that others would lie so easily without shame. We’re forever being surprised.

Our love of truth is probably the reason that we developed science but it puts us at a serious disadvantage in a world of shameless liars.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  LineInTheSand
20 days ago

Yes, definitely so. Which is the reason that I continue to support Trump. He is so contradictory to my internal values set—which have gotten me nowhere—that I’m second guessing them everyday. I voted the old fashioned, White way, all my life. Let’s see what a “valueless” White authoritarian can do. Can it be worse? Doubtful, only quicker—and my days are numbered.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Mycale
20 days ago

Right you are, of course, but there is no lack of stupidity. Remember Covid? And that’s just one recent example. As they say, “You can’t fix stupid.”

BigJimSportCamper
BigJimSportCamper
Reply to  bob sykes
20 days ago

“…his most important and most capable assistants, like Rubio, like Witkoff, Hegseth.”

Zionist, Jewish Zionist, Zionist.

A New World Order, alright.

nooneimportant
nooneimportant
Reply to  BigJimSportCamper
20 days ago

Do-oh-oh-unnnt for-or-or-ge-ta-ta-ta our-ur-ur Sec-ec-ec-rit-it-itary of-uv-uv-uv Hell-ul-ulth:

Anti-Semitism – like racism – is a spiritual and moral malady that sickens societies and kills people with lethalities comparable to history’s most deadly plagues,” said HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. “In recent years, the censorship and false narratives of woke cancel culture have transformed our great universities into greenhouses for this deadly and virulent pestilence. Making America healthy means building communities of trust and mutual respect, based on speech freedom and open debate.

Make America healthy (and love Jews) again!

BigJimSportCamper
BigJimSportCamper
Reply to  nooneimportant
20 days ago

Yes, he belongs on that list. Also Bondi. Quite a few others too.

Sigh.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  BigJimSportCamper
20 days ago

Our entire political class (except Thomas Massie)!

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  nooneimportant
20 days ago

The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend—yeah, a Jew said that recently. I rarely comment in this area, but when I see protests in the streets where the main contingent of the protestors are “Islamic”, I say a pox on both their houses. We’d don’t need either of them *and* their politics here.

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Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  BigJimSportCamper
20 days ago

For now, we have to accept that MIGA isn’t going away. The question is whether we can move forward on other fronts. We can circle back to Israel later.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
20 days ago

But look how far we’ve come. The voices are getting louder and more frequent. We’re tired of that little postage stamp country.

All I ask for is not to have to hear about that stupid little country numerous times a day every single day of my life.

Let’s have a week of Israel free media. Then, like alcoholics, we can do the one day at a time thing. Maybe 2 weeks without hearing about them, then, a month, 6 months … And maybe one day we can forget about them completely.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  TempoNick
20 days ago

The ability to talk about the Israeli lobby is remarkable and, I hope, be the first step in a long fight to get some balance. Jews won’t ever quit, but we can contain them. This is a start.

Bloated Boomer
Bloated Boomer
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
20 days ago

You’re gonna sell your soul to the Devil and then think you can outwit him on some legal technicalities.
Or are you going to try appealing to his better nature?

BigJimSportCamper
BigJimSportCamper
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
20 days ago

I wish I could share your optimism, truly. I just can’t. Been watching this for too long.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  BigJimSportCamper
20 days ago

I’m not optimistic. I’m assuming Jews will hold a grip over Congress for a long time to come. I don’t like it. In fact, I hate it. But we’re moving forward on other fronts, so I’ll enjoy those victories. That said, the country at least now talks about the Israeli lobby and its power. That’s a huge change. Acknowledging the problem is the first step in solving it. There’s also the issue that Jews seem to have figured – finally – that importing a ton of brown people who hate them isn’t exactly “good for the Jews” so Jews aren’t… Read more »

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
19 days ago

I would say that there’s starting to be a shift in what constitutes “good for Jews” and that’s allowing some clean up.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
20 days ago

Col. Macgregor is reporting that Egypt has positioned tanks as near as they can get to Israel. Doesn’t disclose the number of tanks but says point blank that the rulers of the Arab world (and Turkey) are facing a real problem b/c they know that they are likely to be removed–unpleasantly–by their own populations, who are furious at their non-response to the genocide in Gaza unless they get off their fannies and take decisive action SOON. And now Netanyahu has cut off ALL humanitarian supplies AND all electricity in Gaza, so a potentially disastrous situation for Israel is developing rapidly.… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
20 days ago

I’m no fan of Israel and truly hate that they and their American cousins control our Middle East policy, but I’d be shocked if the Arab states do anything serious. Their leaders have no love for the Palestinians.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
20 days ago

The animosity of the Arab States toward the Palestinians cannot be overestimated. No place the Palestinians have resettled (in Arab lands) have they not made themselves unwelcome and proved subversive. Such is their history. The build up of forces on the border with Israel is more likely a trip wire should Palestinians be driven out across the Egyptian border. That indeed would be worth a fight. Palestinians are a cancer to the Arab States.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
20 days ago

A war with Iran will end the Trump counterrevolution.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  BigJimSportCamper
20 days ago

Trump’s pro-Zionist is going to be the massive black mark on his record, no matter what else he achieves. However, it shouldn’t surprise. He only got back in because of the backing of the Zionist lobby.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Steve
20 days ago

I made the call a few months after Oct. 7 and the reaction of the Dems and their brown horde that Trump’s odds of winning just went way up. As much as Jews feel as though they belong on Team Victim, they realized that they couldn’t trust the brown horde on Israel and Gaza, so they had to get the Republicans – who are disgustingly pro-Israel – back into power.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  BigJimSportCamper
20 days ago

Keep in mind how that came out. When Trump floated the plan for turning Gaza into Atlantic City, Bibi had no choice but to say he was in support of it. And was summarily dressed down with essentially, “I don’t give a damn what you think. You are part of the problem. No go back to the kid’s table, sit down and shut up!” The Arab League said they would fund the rebuilding, but Gaza must not become an American Territory. Compare to the gambit he tried is first term, saying he would get Mexico to pay for the wall.… Read more »

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NoName
NoName
Reply to  BigJimSportCamper
20 days ago

Ackshually, Marco Rubio is a sephardic j00; a not-too-distant relative of the j00, Jack “Ruby” Rubenstein, assassin of John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

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NoName
NoName
Reply to  NoName
20 days ago

LOL’ed @ “-5” from the JIDF contigent.

Hilarious.

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  NoName
19 days ago

You’re not wrong about the possibility of a Spanish descendant having some Jewish roots and showing up to Catholic sacraments. If I didn’t know better however, I would have just tossed out the statement based on that picture. It’s not evidence of anything except someone having too much time on their hands and access to a paint program.

NoName
NoName
Reply to  Wiffle
18 days ago

Wiffle: If I didn’t know better however…

Well let’s take at glance at “Catholic” Marco Rubio’s relationship with not-so-catholic (((Norman Braman)))…

“Braman’s parents were Jewish immigrants from Europe.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Braman#Early_life_and_education

Now let’s take a glance at “Catholic” Marco Rubio’s financial backers…

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That’s a picture of a Crypto-Sephardic Jew shaking hands with a Khazarian Jew, laughing uproariously as they pull the wool over the eyes of the idiot goyim.

NoName
NoName
Reply to  NoName
18 days ago

-10, BOO-YAH!!!

JIDF earning their keep on this thread.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  NoName
20 days ago

A Jew with Lenten ashes on his forehead? Not bloody likely. He’s just an Israel asslicker like the rest of the pols in DC.

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  Dutchboy
19 days ago

The stars on the dress was dumb. However, through Spain there are lines of people who show up to Catholic sacraments and keep their Jewish identity. Not all the Jews left Spain after she was reconquered. They showed up at Mass and kept remembering they were Jews in private. They are called “marranos” by the Spanish. The first statement about being descended from marrano lines is possible. The picture proves that the sort of discussion devolves quickly into idiocy.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Wiffle
19 days ago

Her folks were from Columbia, right? Not exactly a disapora hotspot.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

NoName
NoName
Reply to  Wiffle
18 days ago

Your response to the picture proves that we don’t deserve to be anything other than the goyim [THE CATTLE, THE LIVESTOCK] of our jewish overlords.

NoName
NoName
Reply to  Dutchboy
18 days ago

No, you’re making a catastrophic Error of Category. Marco Rubio is a Crypto-Sephardic Jew. There are thousands upon thousands of Crypto-Sephardic Jews throughout the entirety of the Caribbean, Central America and South America. Why do you think Lev Davidovich “Trotsky” Bronstein fled to Mexico to find succor? Why do you think Lee Harvey Oswald was messing around in the Cuban Consulate in Mexico? Why do you think Mexico now has a jewess, named, (((Claudia Sheinbaum))), as its president? Are you not aware that the Castro brothers [Fidel & Raoul] are Crypto-Sephardic jews? Are you not aware that Justin Trudeau is… Read more »

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  bob sykes
20 days ago

his people have choreographed for him”

I think this is a key point. As good as Trump is, I doubt all of this genius is coming from him. He’s got the right instincts and the pushy personality to make sure things get done, but other people are doing all the grunt work.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  TempoNick
20 days ago

This time he managed to pick the right people. Except for that b*tch, Bondi.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  TempoNick
20 days ago

Precisely. I’ve been saying since the USAID thing that it had Steve Bannon’s fingerprints all over it b/c neither Trump nor Musk were Washington insiders and therefore could not have known that “if you pull on that string right there (USAID), the whole thing will unravel.” But Bannon *was* enough of a Washington insider to know that.

Lakelander
Lakelander
Reply to  bob sykes
20 days ago

As I understand Gilbert, he himself is a businessman and speaks mainly for the economic interests within Russia. I’ve detected a segment of the pro-Russian commentariat that is more than willing to forgive the US in hopes getting back some Western markets. They’re the ones that speak most glowingly about Trump and his team. They also try to shift as much blame as possible for the Ukraine fiasco onto the shoulders of the Europeans.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Lakelander
20 days ago

Sure, there always needs to be a fall guy. Europeans were not entirely innocent, but Biden and the neocons had been working toward this war for over a decade. Without the American subterfuge, there would never have been this war.

Mr. Burns
Mr. Burns
20 days ago

I think the retreat from “idealism” is simply a tactical repositioning. Globohomo’s heart and soul is what it has always been. Given unlimited power, Globohomo would go back to its main mission and joy of exterminating the good, the beautiful, and the true.

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
20 days ago

“Up until now, policy was centered around moral claims about how the world ought to be ordered.”

Those moral claims were fig leaf, prolefeed. It was material interest all along, but thinly camouflaged by sanctimonious pap. To the great credit of Trump, he has neither time nor patience for this empty posturing. He is more honest. Let the Europeans engage in this — they have a long history of doing so.

Winthrop
Winthrop
Reply to  Arshad Ali
20 days ago

It’s not the Europeans who lecture the rest of the world about the rules-based order, or democracy or being the last great hope of mankind.Shining city on a hill.LOL

Even as you Americans run away from another conflict you are trying to claim the moral high ground with Zelensky. You are doing it personally by trying to imply the Americans are just too honest to make false claims unlike those evil Europeans.

Really is an obnoxious part of your national character; although of fading importance as the white part of your country becomes a smaller and smaller minority.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Winthrop
20 days ago

“as the white part of your country becomes a smaller and smaller minority”

I’m not sold that this is going to be the end result. Once you’ve got Latin American assimilation, they become White, or at least white enough. Like Italians and all the rest of the Euro kNyghhers like me.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  TempoNick
20 days ago

I see all the downvotes here. I don’t know where you’re all coming from. If you’re trying to go back to a WASP country, that ship has sailed. That’s a lot of people to throw out. If you’re going to go back to lynching us Southern Europeans, I don’t think that’s going to have a lot of popular support either. The Mexicans and a lot of Latin Americans who come here aren’t that much different. Similar cultures (based in southern Europe), not to mention that Latin America is full of real Europeans too. If Southern Europeans can assimilate, so can… Read more »

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  TempoNick
20 days ago

You are so off in this assessment I don’t where to start. Italians, Irish, Greeks though once snubbed at the end of the day are European to the core of their being. Those little goblinas and mestizos are genetic aliens who ape the culture and try to claim it as their own. Latino? Really! It’s in the NAME. Latin from whence did this language or any associated culture originate? Pro tip- it’s not even close to Guatemala. I just recently visited the Ferrari museum and a Lamborghini museum in Italy. We going to see any El Salvadordean super car factories… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Apex Predator
20 days ago

Yep.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Apex Predator
20 days ago

Maria Stephanos of WBTS TV, proud of her Greek heritage. Now tell me this woman looks much different from your average Mexican. This pigmentation is common all through southern Europe.

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Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  TempoNick
19 days ago

“…tell me this woman looks much different from your average Mexican.” You must not live around Mexicans. I see them everyday. There are “high castes” and “low castes”, basically based upon the percentage of “Indio” blood. Mexicans will admit this. I don’t particularly care for most purposes. But the woman you point to is definitely not MX looking. The tell is the cheekbones. She has no Indio blood. She is White with a darker shade of skin typical of the Mediterranean populace. She would stand out from MX women anywhere—and they’d know the difference themselves. BTW: The good looking MX… Read more »

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Compsci
19 days ago

I’m speaking strictly skin color. She’s not that much different from the average hispanic. Of course, you are correct that there are also differences among hispanics, but I don’t really want to go into that much detail right now.

The point is, if a bunch of Mediterraneans with odd habits were descending on the United States again, the same people screaming about Mexicans would be screaming about Greeks again. The only difference I see is the Greeks have been here long enough to have assimilated, so their habits don’t annoy those inclined to be annoyed, like Hispanics do.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  TempoNick
18 days ago

Skin color is meaningless. Always has been. Racial differences encompass much more subtle physical differences. Sometimes skin color is all you need, but is often deceptive. Then there is Candice Owens who has had plastic surgery. Yeah, she’s Black, but all other obvious characteristics have been removed:

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/candace-owens-is-seen-on-set-of-candace-on-april-19-2022-in-news-photo/1392466332?adppopup=true

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Apex Predator
20 days ago

I once had a beautiful Greek girlfriend. She seemed white enough to me.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Dutchboy
19 days ago

Varying shades of olive throughout the Balkans and the rest of southern Europe. Why do you think they kept joking about Italians being guineas throughout “The Godfather?”

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  TempoNick
20 days ago

We don’t need to lynch anyone. You’re just being dishonest here. Almost all of the mestizos in the US are citizens of their own country. They are not a stateless people without the US. They walked here and they can walk their asses right back to where they came from. There is a tiny minority of mestizos who we inherited a long time ago. They aren’t a big problem.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  TempoNick
20 days ago

I’ll grant that mestizos are preferable to africans, if one must choose, but that’s a rather low bar

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  TempoNick
20 days ago

It’ll come down to religion, i.e., Protestant/Catholic— PROVIDED, Protestants find religion again, which I’m guessing they will, in some way.

White used to equal Protestant, when you think about it, but this was happening as Protestants were secularizing. How did Italians, even Irish, become white? They did like the Protestants, and secularized. America was WASP, probably still is, seeing how it’s falling apart without that identity.

I’m guessing the old lines make a comeback in some form, and things get interesting. Or America continues going away. White ain’t going to save the place.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Paintersforms
20 days ago

“America was WASP, probably still is . . . .”

The Census of 1980 showed that only 25% of the American population had any British (i.e. “WASP”) ancestry. The largest white ethnic component of the US population is German.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
20 days ago

WASP culture, founding stock. Germans fit right in for the most part.

I should admit my definition of WASP is broad. Probably something more like WGP (White Germanic Protestant). Irish and Scots, you got some Viking in you. Been getting down for centuries. Ethnogenesis, especially here in America. Hence the broad definition, for lack of a more specific term.

Which is why I think the religious aspect is important. Kind of the missing ingredient of ethnicity that’s opened the floodgates.

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Bwana Simba
Bwana Simba
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
20 days ago

This. Anglos stopped being the majority back in the 1800s.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Bwana Simba
20 days ago

Watch more Disney crap.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  TempoNick
20 days ago

” . . . not to mention that Latin America is full of real Europeans too.”

If by “Latin America” you mean Argentina and Uruguay, you are right. Otherwise, you don’t know what you are talking about.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
19 days ago

You mean, they only mate with their own? If that’s what you think, it’s you who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  TempoNick
20 days ago

Our immigration demographics is better than Europe’s, and more assimilable. TempoNick, despite apparently being Italian, is correct. At least we get a large share of Hispanics that could pass for Greco-Italian. The women are better looking, too. I’ll take this over Muslims and Africans any day…If there are only two choices, which there are.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Marko
20 days ago

There are many good Latins, honest, hard-working, and functionally Christian. The best of them can form a buffer state to the south of whatever European polity arises in North America after the last twitching death throe of the GAE. However, their higher quality than baseline mesoamerican peasantry does not make them European. Modest admixture simply make them a new kind of people, not a European kind of people. They still have mores, extending from their genome, which are incompatible, different preferences for how organize themselves socially, politically, and economically. There are 200 million unbroken Europeans in North America. We need… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Horace
20 days ago

Perfectly stated.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  TempoNick
20 days ago

Yeah, you are touching on an area of dispute. Obviously, you and I agree, if there is race mixing then not all non-White races are of equal effect.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Winthrop
20 days ago

Most of the Limeys–I assume you’re a Limey–who post here sure do have little man syndrome. And like a banty Mick with too much whisky in him, you wave your shillelagh around trying to pick a fight with guys who just want to be left alone.

Frankly, we’ve got no quarrel with Europe. We just want to get free of the Occidental tar baby and let you guys take care of yourselves for a change. Time for y’all to stop wearing diapers and put on a pair of pants.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
20 days ago

Many of the people who post as ostensible Limeys are actually south Asians – actual English don’t care for American braggadocio, but it’s the south Asians that have the massive chip on their shoulders.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
20 days ago

Or culottes.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Winthrop
20 days ago

As expected, downvotes. But I read and reread your comment. It is fair in nature, whether agreed to or not. The conflict we “run away from”, however is one that was embraced by an old form of “interventionist” policy that has been disputed in this country for generations starting at least to the aftermath of the Vietnam war (my era). As with any democratic elected society, changes in administrations portend changes in policy. Ukrainian intervention, or even membership in NATO is under consideration every term of years. You are naive to imagine otherwise. As to the quip, “…of fading importance… Read more »

Bloated Boomer
Bloated Boomer
Reply to  Compsci
20 days ago

Europeans at least have more of an issue with the replacement.

The floodgates opened after shabos wrecked Libya and other mid-East countries, but you’re all happy to play “let’s you and him fight”.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Winthrop
20 days ago

Ursula? is that you?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Arshad Ali
20 days ago

I cannot agree. The BFE didn’t fly perv pennants outside every one of its embassies because it was trying to free up capital for Black Rock. Ideology is a huge part of the BFE’s machinations, probably coequal with capitalistic greed. The BFE, up until the Trumpening anyway, was the greatest crusader state the world has ever known. And ideology (or religion) is the crusader state’s fuel.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
20 days ago

BFE? May I get a “translation,” please?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
20 days ago

Sorry.

Blackberry Fruitcake Empire.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
19 days ago

Rough crowd.

Marko
Marko
20 days ago

I’m going to Estonia in June. Looks like I don’t have that big comfy GAE umbrella protecting me over there, anymore. Wish me luck lads!

BigJimSportCamper
BigJimSportCamper
Reply to  Marko
20 days ago

Stout fellow!!

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Marko
20 days ago

There’s some number—the news always says a thousand or so, but who knows—of British troops deployed there as part of NATO’s enhanced forward presence against Russia. (Purely defensive.)

I hear they get in a lot of car accidents in the down time between “mock” border incursions. (Defensive incursions.) So, 10 and 2, eyes on the road, and don’t blaspheme Allah when you’re cursing in traffic.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Marko
20 days ago

I call it “the Mexico of Finland”.

And Estonian cucks shut down the Nevsky Cathedral, which is a beautiful old Russian Orthodox cathedral. I am going to be outspoken about that.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Marko
20 days ago

I’m torn on the issue. Absolutely value beautiful cathedral; at the same time I can understand that to Estonian nationalists, it’s a symbol of hated cultural conquest. Of course then one can ask how long a small nation can remain economically viable and independent in any era. I marveled at many of the mosques I saw in Turkey, but would loathe the sight of them in the US.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  3g4me
20 days ago

I know it’s easy for me to say, but the Estonians should let bygones by bygones. Now I’m not expecting the them to send Moscow any love letters, but they should make peace with the past and come together with the rest of the white peoples for our common defense and flourishing. Unfortunately, the BFE’s ongoing crusade against Russia, which includes fanning resentments, makes that a pipe dream for the time being.

BigJimSportCamper
BigJimSportCamper
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
19 days ago

Same for the Poles.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  Marko
20 days ago

Interesting! I may be in that part of the world at that time as well. Post here again towards June, may be able to connect. I’m actually already in that part of the world, but not that far north. If you are a single man you are a kid in a candy store basically, throw a rock hit a thin blue eyed blonde. Sort of like America maybe use to look in the 20th century before it turned into the land of mud genetics. I was originally going to throw a dart at Estonia and I’d be lying if I… Read more »

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
21 days ago

It’s interesting that Wilsonian Democracy arrived at the same time as the beginnings of the managerial class.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Major Hoople
20 days ago

Managerial class = feminism. Women love process, men prefer results. Wilson was a moralizer – but his wife was acting president for half his term.

BigJimSportCamper
BigJimSportCamper
Reply to  3g4me
19 days ago

Sounds familiar.

Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
Reply to  Major Hoople
20 days ago

As our esteemed host has so brilliantly stated, “Progressivism was created to give moral agency to managerialism”.

Wilsonian Democracy was the export of progressive managerialism to the entire world.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Major Hoople
20 days ago

Yes. Wilson’s chief advisor, Col. E.M. House, wrote a “fictional” book entitled “Philip Dru, Administrator” which basically outlined his plans for progressive managerial control of society. Wilson went to Versailles with a bunch of academics called “The Inquiry” who were “experts” on how to re-draw the map of Europe. They were the ones who created countries like “Czecho-slovakia,” Poland, and “Jugo-slavia.” We all know how well that worked out in the long run, LOL. The the progressive-managerial revolution has been so successful and so total that people tend to forget that the country existed without it before 1912. In 1912… Read more »

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Xman
20 days ago

Social Darwinism was the fashion among the elite of Western Civilization in those days. It is still around but has gone underground, thought but not spoken.

joey jünger
joey jünger
20 days ago

Does war cause more sober-minded thinking among the people in charge? It can, if those old men running it have some memory of war in their own lives. It’s when they don’t (and when a lot of those “men” making decisions are actually women) that we seem to get in trouble. There’s the story (apocryphal, probably) that when the War Between States was declared, guys were running around shouting: “This is it! We’ve got our war!” A similar phenomenon happened in Germany in the runup to the Great War. There’s that scene in “All Quiet” in which the starched-collared teacher… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  joey jünger
20 days ago

The pro war attitude of the western “intelligentsia” towards Ukraine is a direct result of the GAE’s learned adaptation of fighting wars with other country’s soldiers. This is precisely why that adaptation was made. If it was 1,000 American/British/French casualties daily, none of these blithely pro war attitudes could exist. Except perhaps for Bolton’s. I doubt there is any amount of dead, from any country, that could deter his bluster.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
20 days ago

If it were 1,000 Blue-Eyed Ice Devils coming home daily in body bags, the NYT would cheer with a blood-curdling roar. If that thousand were Hutus, the NYT would agitate for burning Staten Island down to the studs.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
20 days ago

NYT’s support for war depends entirely on which party occupies the WH

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
20 days ago

There’s some truth in that. Rather odd that the NYT hasn’t really hoisted in the reality of the Uniparty.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
20 days ago

Come to think of it, it’s probably Big Media’s job to maintain the fiction of political pluralism in AINO. That would explain why they continue carrying water for the Dems.

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  joey jünger
20 days ago

it used to, back when the generals did have that memory or would go to the front line themselves (and send their sons out of a sense of duty). It hasn’t been like that for a while though. The W misadventures were plagued by magical thinking, thinking we could turn Afghanistan into a feminist paradise and Iraq into a free market wonderland, Houston-on-the-Tigris.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Mycale
20 days ago

Come to think of it, Houston is looking more like Baghdad all the time

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
20 days ago

I was just going to reply! Houston proper was officially 40.82% White in 2024; I think that includes a lot of larping “whit” mestizos, plus various Arabs. Harris County as a whole (including all of Houston’s sprawling suburbs) is only 27.6% White.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  3g4me
20 days ago

Last I checked, which wasn’t long ago, inside the Houston city limits it is 20% white. Greater metro Houston 47%

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
20 days ago

Except for that lesbian mayor.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  joey jünger
20 days ago

Not sure how true it is, but it’s definitely a theme in the literature: The European nations’ entries into WWI were celebrations—expressions of ecstatic relief. Waiting for the war is over! Of course rallies can be arranged for the press to exaggerate, and men to whom death isn’t real can become grandiose about it, etc., but there seems to have been some real mass hysteria. (The fashion when I was in school, during an earlier iteration of “wokeness” (the “postmodern” one), was to blame that hysteria on modern art. Yes, the same old stuff conservatives hate: cubism, dada, Pierrot Lunaire,… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Hemid
20 days ago

I don’t know if it correlates to WW1, but we see the search for meaning, the need to be part of something larger and more meaningful than one’s self, over and over (in people who lack any other source of spiritual meaning). Just 5 years ago (how the time flies), I saw media characterizations of the plandemic as “our generation’s WW2.” Remember that? By wearing that mask and taking that jab, you were doing your part to win WW2! Same thing now with putting a Ukraine flag in one’s social media profile. These people don’t have anywhere else to find… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
20 days ago

Back in 2020/21 in my burg, it was not uncommon to see “We’re all in this together!” signs in front yards. Was this a function of the search for meaning? Sure. Let us all link arms in solidarity to confront the Great Existential Threat. But it was also a function of the feminization of America. In times past, when pestilence, real pestilence such as influenza (1919) struck, Americans stiffened their upper lip and soldiered through as best they could. That is what a manly country does. But a century later we mewed, caterwauled, scolded, placed palliative signs in our yards… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  joey jünger
20 days ago

“The entrenched stalemate in Ukraine has a lot of parallels with the Great War. A lot of death and a lot of losses of land, with no significant retaking of any lost lands.” if this is your understanding of the current situation, then you have no hope of understanding events further. There is no stalemate on the ground. There has not been for about two years. The front everywhere crumbles for the Uke’s. You live in a past reality, perhaps that of WWII and “big arrow” offensives. Russia—ala Putin—has a different goal/strategy. Putin is grinding the forces of Ukraine down… Read more »

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Lakelander
Lakelander
Reply to  Compsci
20 days ago

Whenever I hear someone say the word ‘stalemate’ wrt the Russo-Ukraine war, I know I can safely disregard whatever comes after. Usually it comes from people that still mock Russia for not taking Kiev in 3 days.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Lakelander
20 days ago

Yes. Wise consul, I indulged myself.

BigJimSportCamper
BigJimSportCamper
Reply to  joey jünger
19 days ago

A must-watch movie IMHO, especially for the young male who has inklings of joining the military. 1930 version of course.

Curious Monkey
Curious Monkey
20 days ago

I don’t know if Trump is the one to try this. But the USA has to become accustomed to have international relationships with any country independent of the international media cartel and globohomo clown world politicians. Like normalize relationships with Russia where the Ukraine is just a point in the agenda. But we can also sanction Ukraine if it insists on a cruel war to the last soldier. The Ursulas Van der Clownish will reeee but that’s the point of going back to reality. The real issue is we cannot be the perpetual payers of clown world wars and as… Read more »

Presbyterj
Presbyterj
20 days ago

Theodore Roosevelt was an activist reformist President before Wilson without the Puritanism.
With regard to Israel, etc: at the heart of Zionism and Judaism is the biblical sense that they are God’s Chosen People and the “ nations” can be dispossessed and if not tolerated, then destroyed as necessary.

usNthem
usNthem
20 days ago

Fantastic that actual realism looks to be supplanting dips*** American style “idealism” – it’s caused enough death and destruction around the world these past 107 (if not more) years.

Member
20 days ago

If you want a good study of Washington, you can’t go wrong with Douglas Southall Freeman’s multivolume biography of the man. His style from the 1930s is a bit dated, and he, of course, didn’t have access to many primary sources we can access today, but that is counterbalanced by Freeman not actively hating his subject.

Lakelander
Lakelander
20 days ago

With the title of today’s post all I can think is that John Mearsheimer is feeling awfully vindicated these days.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Lakelander
20 days ago

But he’s still flummoxed by the extent to which the Israel Lobby controls American foreign policy.

It’s a huge problem for the theory of “Realism,” which holds that nations pursue power politics and follow their own interests. Mearsheimer says that the U.S. Israel relationship is actually counterproductive to U.S. interests, yet no one in the foreign policy establishment or the Congress even questions it.

KGB
KGB
20 days ago

Once the Cold War ended, it was like a hyperactive dog that got under the fence.

I’d change that to “hydrophobic”.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
20 days ago

Foreign Policy is the handmaiden of national economic interest. Zman tends to focus on moral and political vectors, but we have to consider the strong influence on policy of economic interests. We fought WWI largely because NY banks lent a ton of money to UK and France and we aspired to export more. The US did not have a meaningful manufacturing surplus until 1900, by which point our raw material trade surplus had shrunk to parity. Progressive politics predates our emergence as an industrial exporter and certainly predates modern scientific management (Taylor, Ford, Sloan, Emerson, Drucker). The Progressive movement was… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Captain Willard
20 days ago

I agree. As I say upthread:

They need a cover in the form of an outside enemy to blame the impending sovereign debt crisis on. They want war so they can blame Putin for their destruction of their countries.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
20 days ago

Enjoyed the show and would like more discussion of Thucydides.

More specifically the “Thucydidian Trap”

All the rage a few years ago in DC. Still relevant as the Blob just can’t wait to go to war with China.

tashtego
Member
Reply to  ProZNoV
19 days ago

another vote for a Thucydides show.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
20 days ago

Wilson did, however, fire all the negro employees of the USPS, a move opposed by both parties, and later negated by them…Wilson was nuts…

Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
Member
18 days ago

I would enjoy separate shows on Thucydides (I read the History of the Peloponnesian War in college) and Reagan. Making the case for Reagan either ending the Cold War or the Soviets collapsing largely on their own with a bit of a push (the so-called Star Wars wasn’t it).

Vegetius
Vegetius
19 days ago

Typical of the Jesuitical to elide the man from Hippo as he strikes you.

Southern Brother
Southern Brother
19 days ago

Saw your face for the first time on ramzpual. You look way younger than you let on brother. Always enjoy your content.

Member
20 days ago

And I’m going to lay this out which won’t be popular. I despise Wilson’s sanctimonious moralizing as much as the next man, but you do have to take into account the historical context of the revulsion the Great War caused in the West among people with a 19th century concept of acceptable conduct of war, which the very brief (1914-1918) era of total industrial war, with millions of dead, was a shock that simply had no historical precedent, and the crowned heads of Europe, especially Victoria’s idiot grandchildren, mostly Wilhelm and Nicholas, were primary drivers of. The Germans did implement… Read more »

lavrov
lavrov
Reply to  Pickle Rick
20 days ago

“rightfully regarded” by British propaganda?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  lavrov
20 days ago

Bingo! No dog in this fight, but most all points made are easily refuted—especially if one compares GB at the time, and even the American. Germany was “late to the table” as they say in this game.

Member
Reply to  lavrov
20 days ago

The Germans releasing 150 tons of chlorine gas at Ypres on April 22, 1915 was real, not propaganda.

Salmon
Salmon
Reply to  Pickle Rick
20 days ago

The french did gas warfare first, they just weren’t good at it and it backfired on them. The germans were only the first ones to do it *successfully*. Every involved party was ready to throw down everything they had over the pointless squabble, the germans were just more competent at it than the other involved parties (for the most part). Assigning blame to germany over WW1 is just stupid. Most of the european powers didn’t like having a new kid on the empire block. The “Wilhelm was a crazy lunatic” meme was mostly propaganda. Funny how the people you mentioned,… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Salmon
19 days ago

“…the germans were just more competent at it than the other involved parties…”

Imagine that.

Zulu Juliet
Zulu Juliet
Reply to  Pickle Rick
20 days ago

I find the Ukraine business an echo of the First World War in that at least one side doesn’t understand the sunken cost fallacy. In WW1 it could be said all the players kept throwing blood and treasure into the fray because so much had been sacrificed, giving up was unthinkable.

In Ukraine, the West, [with the exception of Trump and his minions] cannot conceive that the last three years were a waste and calling it quits is the best option. Or maybe they just don’t want a profitable scam to end.

Member
Reply to  Zulu Juliet
20 days ago

There’s that and probably something to the fact that the only acceptable ethnic hatred white Western Europeans are allowed to have now is the centuries old hatred of Russians (beyond the hatred that the Kagans and Kristols etc, have had for generations), which has never gone away. Russians are still seen by the West as savage peasant barbarians, who are both mocked and feared.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Pickle Rick
20 days ago

It’s also about preserving the Cold War institutions that would have no reason to exist absent an enemy. Russia fits the bill.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Zulu Juliet
20 days ago

They need a cover in the form of an outside enemy to blame the impending sovereign debt crisis on. They want war so they can blame Putin for their destruction of their countries.

Member
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
20 days ago

One should always remember that mental illness and straight up insanity ran through most of Europe’s royal families, not least through most of them being to one degree or another descended from the Hanoverian Queen Victoria, where madness and degeneracy (including some serious sexual perversions) runs in the family all the way to the “Windsors” today, and the cousin marriage that produced physical and mental deficiencies in all of them in varying degrees. The Habsburgs are in their own special category as a byword for inbreeding separate from the tainted blood of Victoria, and Vittorio Emanuelle of Italy was a… Read more »

Salmon
Salmon
Reply to  Pickle Rick
20 days ago

His royal relatives that just happened to be his grand chessboard rivals and Bismarck, himself an utterly sociopathic lunatic that wasn’t exactly a picture of stability himself and was bitter about his firing, said that about him, huh? I believe it.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Pickle Rick
20 days ago

But, but.. It was a war to make the world safe for democracy!

Bloated Boomer
Bloated Boomer
Reply to  Dutchboy
20 days ago

OUR democracy.
And OUR greatest strength.

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Yman
Yman
21 days ago

what’s the point?

We all knew that Sri Lanka loving lesbian AFD leader isn’t right-wing, Trump is another Shabbos goy

nothing gonna change, business as usual because white people are still the frog in the boiling pot

Smash and grab should be engraved on constitution

“We the people who are looting white people, in Order to form a more perfect Ponzi scheme…”

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Yman
20 days ago

This book is for you (and everybody else, but your comment brought this book to mind, and in my opinion, it is probably the most important book ever written on the American political system. It’s readable, too.)

https://www.alibris.com/Our-Enemy-the-State-Albert-Jay-Nock/book/30040653?matches=13

Yagama
Yagama
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
20 days ago

yep, court jester who lived a hundred years ago on Royal court of JP Morgan gonna help us all

why don’t you just join the national assembly of we the surrender monkeys?