Back To Work

Warren Buffet famously said, “Only when the tide goes out do you discover who’s been swimming naked.” The point of this metaphor is that in economic downturns you learn who has been taking excessive risks. Another way of putting it is that in easy times, everyone can be a hero or a genius. This has been the case for the American financial system for over thirty years. As long as credit money kept expanding, everyone had a chance to look like a financial genius.

This explains the prevalence of people in the financial media who somehow get everything wrong but maintain their status as experts. The most notable of this sort is Jim Cramer who has made a career out of being outlandishly wrong. Paul Krugman wrote a column for years about the economy, despite never being right about it. These are two famous examples, but the commentariat is littered with these types. As long as the arrow kept going up, being wrong was good money.

The trouble is that the entire financial industry is built on this premise. Being wrong comes with no penalty, because wrongness rarely comes with a cost. Sure, the MegaBrain Capital Fund might not perform as well as random guessing, but because the arrow always goes up, even the bad bets pay off. This also means anyone spouting random gibberish can present himself as an expert. Tens of thousands of mortgage payments, maybe hundreds of thousands, rest on this assumption.

The main reason for this, of course, is the United States has been both the global mint and the global bank since the 1980’s. You can see it in the markets. From 1985 to the present, the DJIA has increased by about nine percent per year. That includes the many busts that were backstopped by the global bank. From 1965 to 1985 the markets suffered a long bear market, after the long twenty-year bull market that kicked off after the end of the Second World War.

Another way to think about it is the American stock market boomed by about ten percent per year when the rest of the world was in rubble. Europe was literally in rubble after the war. Much of it was controlled by communists. China was a feudal, agrarian society trying to implement Marxist-Leninism. Japan only stopped glowing after that long bull market ended. In other words, the American economy and the equities markets had a great run when there was no global competition.

Somehow, as if by magic, equities had a run like the post war decades, despite the hollowing out of the economy. The run has also been longer. The twenty-year post-war boom ran out of steam even though Asia was not online yet, just because Europe was starting to recover. We have experienced a forty-year run while at the same time the American economy transitioned from inventing things and making them to driving each other around in Ubers.

It turns out that if the mint can make as much money as it likes, being the only mint on earth anyone values, and they give what they mint to the only banking system anyone values, the people in this system can do no wrong. For decades it has been like being at a casino with an endless line of credit. Not only that, but the dealers would also occasionally give you some insider information on the decks. It is not hard to look like a genius when you are playing with house money.

That world is coming to an end. The shock therapy we are seeing is not just a bluff to get better tariff deals. It is in anticipation of the fact that the world is shifting from where the dollar dominates all global trade to one where local currency arrangements will often be preferred over the dollar. If you want to buy from China, it will mean doing so in their currency, not dollars. The same is true for other major trading countries. The Russians have been the proof of concept for this approach.

This does not mean the dollar collapses or people revert to carrying sacks of gold while riding to town on their donkey. The primitive use of shiny bits of metal as currency only comes back if we enter a dark age. What is happening instead is a change in how the world views dollars and more importantly, dollar denominated debt. That means the days of unlimited credit money is coming to a close. The dollar and dollar denominated debt will reconnect with the American economy.

This is all bad news for the flim-flam men who dominate the financial services industry as it means being wrong once again comes with risk. The bad bets from MegaBrain Capital Fund no longer just mean a lower return. Those bad bets now put the firm in jeopardy and get the smart guys fired for making those bad bets. Swimming naked will now come with the risk of the tide going out and staying out. Like the fox in the hen house, risk is returning to the money game.

What is about to happen to the financial sector is like what we see happening with the government sector. The tens of thousands of people who do not do anything necessary will be let go, and that includes the experts in the media. In a world where risk is real, no one will tolerate a television clown dispensing bad advice, unless he is in a fright wig and wearing floppy red shoes. The clowns will back in the circus while the serious men do the serious work.

This is the end of America’s long holiday from reality. Playing make believe in government, finance or the media is no longer possible. Making money will not be about finding clever ways to get that sweet sweet credit money, but about inventing things, improving things and making things. That will not leave a lot of room for diversity experts or chattering skulls. Those people can be put to work in the new factories and repair shops, perhaps sweeping the floors.


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Xman
Xman
3 days ago

One of the most bizarre things about all of this that I still can’t wrap my head around is that so many tens of millions of people have been wrong for so long, they have created an artificial reality for themselves. I always had a very basic, Ben Franklin understanding of this stuff. Buy low, sell high. Stay out of debt. Save money and compound interest. Don’t burn money on stupid shit, only spend it on things of value. In the late 1990s and early 2000s, I had CDs that were 5-7%. There was not much money in them, but… Read more »

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  Xman
3 days ago

Not “a lot of people” but the overwhelming vast majority. Even the extremely rich will lose a large part of their paper money, though certainly not all and will still own the assets if they don’t need to sell them. Everyone else will be royally screwed. Shortage will be added to everyone’s lexicon. Shortages will cause real prices to go through the roof.

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 days ago

It’s way better than that. We’re about to flood the job market with hundreds of thousands of government and government-adjacent workers who do not have ANY of the skills required in a modern manufacturing economy. For example, team Trump is now talking about using tariffs to eliminate income taxes for households earning less than $150K. Hardest hit? The 57 year old CPA who opened an HR Block brick and mortar franchise. And the small army of software people and tax experts who run the online versions. A ton of ex-military go into government adjacent jobs like contracting because that’s what… Read more »

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3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Xman
3 days ago

Well said. I did fine with macro economics but had issues with micro economics. So much made so little sense. We had some mutual funds before kids, and then debt after kids. Husband has suffered much angst over stocks not bought or sold with his 401k over the years, but that has been the extent of our involvement. No longer in debt, but without extraneous cash to ‘invest in the market,’ I’m content to watch from afar. I understand there is not enough precious metal in the world to back the economy today, but I trust the Jewish money-men financial… Read more »

Xman
Xman
Reply to  3g4me
3 days ago

Yep. Stay out of debt and put your cash in Treasuries. Guaranteed 4.25%, exempt from state taxes. Crack open a beer, get some popcorn and watch everyone else stampede and panic with fear and greed.

Dow up 2900 yesterday… down 1700 today.. LOL.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Xman
3 days ago

I don’t believe it’s possible (in the short to medium term) to regain the confidence that has been lost in the past week. Whether that’s intentional or not, I couldn’t say.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
3 days ago

We never took the lumps from 2001. They just keep reflating the bubble in different forms. Kinda like cancer, if you don’t cut it out it spreads to the rest of the body. Last chance to save the body was 2008, the cancer is everywhere now, including money.

Kizzie
Kizzie
Reply to  Mr. House
1 day ago

With this I totally agree. At the time I didn’t understand the reflating that occurred after 2001. Now I do.

Jeff
Jeff
Reply to  Xman
8 hours ago

Couldn’t disagree more. 4% doesn’t keep up with inflation now. Wait till real inflation starts (worse than the 70’s). Your beer will cost you dear.
Gold and silver is the ONLY protection.

NoName
NoName
Reply to  Xman
3 days ago

XMan: I always had a very basic, Ben Franklin understanding of this stuff. Buy low, sell high. Stay out of debt. Save money and compound interest. Don’t burn money on stupid shit, only spend it on things of value. Two other supremely important axioms for those of us goyim who lack direct access to the free flow of Fiat Shekels from the Federal Reserve: A) Hoard dry-good-foods & durable goods & and similar long-term tangible [prepper] items prior to the onset of an inflationary cycle. B) Hoard cold hard cash prior to the onset of a deflationary cycle. It’s similar… Read more »

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Geoff
Geoff
Reply to  Xman
3 days ago

“when it collapses” is going to be a lot sooner than most people realize I think, after watch yesterday’s retardation.

Look up a list of the top ten biggest daily upward movements in the stock market, and then look at the years attached to them.

Look out below.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Geoff
3 days ago

Yesterday I was thinking “rallies like this don’t happen during bull markets”

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
3 days ago

No, but the point is that perhaps “bottoms” are tested. To affirm such you see these ups and downs level off in time.

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Xman
2 days ago

I think you’re too harsh on Normie. We didn’t vote to have all our factories shipped overseas or to have an education system that doesn’t teach anything useful. The Wizards of Smart build an economy around these things, and people went into jobs and careers because that is what was available to them. People who invested like you describe didn’t start doing so simply because the market never seems to lose. They (we!) were all told Social Security was a ticking time bomb and we better start saving. Enter IRAs and 401K’s. It’s not so much that people expected 10%.… Read more »

My Comment
My Comment
3 days ago

There is a lot of truth in this post but we are not going to depart the fake world and enter a real one unless Jews are stripped of their control of the media and women can’t vote and control HR. While we hate the fake world, they thrive in it. For many women, if it feels real, it is real. Speaking of the tribe, Autotraker has a system that lets you trade like a politician. Their most famous is the Pelosi tracker. One of their most successful ones is the contra Cramer traker. They recommend the opposite of everything… Read more »

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Hun
Hun
Reply to  My Comment
3 days ago

Trump advised people to buy stocks shortly before he paused the tariffs and the stock market shot up 10%. He is such a nice guy.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Hun
3 days ago

Yeah, sharing insider knowledge outside of the circle of Help ‘n Ho’s is very bad.

NoName
NoName
Reply to  Jack Dodson
3 days ago

Z: “The primitive use of shiny bits of metal as currency only comes back if we enter a dark age.“ Lately there’s been a lot of discussion about the 1-cent coin, the “penny”, with that horrible evil wretched wicked fellow from Illinois on its face. But recently I learned something fascinating; I was helping to clean out an old house filled with junk, and there were all sorts of pieces of metal in the house [old washing machines, old dryers, old toaster ovens, old metal furniture, etc etc etc]. And I got to talking to the junk haulers, as to… Read more »

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  NoName
3 days ago

Auto recycling is still big. Any valuable parts are stripped and then the hulk that’s left is recycled for metals.

NoName
NoName
Reply to  Dutchboy
3 days ago

Dutchboy: “Auto recycling is still big. Any valuable parts are stripped and then the hulk that’s left is recycled for metals.“ For cherished vehicles, such as, say, Ford or Dodge or Chevy pickup trucks, there’s definitely a need for “cosmetic” used sheet metal to apply after fender-benders. But most vehicles aren’t cherished anymore. Around here, as recently as 15 years ago, they would pay $500 to haul away your minivan or your SUV or your truck [for its cosmetic metal and certain other parts]. But nowadays, the owner of the minivan or the SUV or the truck has to pony… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  NoName
3 days ago

“That if the sh!tlibs found out that the “recycling” program was ackshually fake, then the sh!tlibs would all drop dead from massive heart attacks.” Not true. Yes, the programs are “fake”, but in my burg it was revealed a few years ago that the recycling program by the County was costing several million dollars per year to pick through the recycle for basically aluminum and steel, then pack the rest up and send it to the landfill. The cost recovery of those recovered items was nil. So what happened? Big yawn and the parade (charade) continues. No, shitlibs never catch wise.… Read more »

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  NoName
3 days ago

Every now and then I have to haul scrap steel/iron from the ranch to the metal recyclers near me and it’s not a lot of money, but I’m rarely hauling more than a ton. It’s been a few years but, I think last time I got enough to buy a decent lunch. That’s still way better than having to pay the landfill to take it.

NoName
NoName
Reply to  Vizzini
3 days ago

Compsci & Vizzini –

I think all three of us are saying basically the same thing; that there is essentially no market for scrap metal whatsoever.

Chris
Chris
Reply to  NoName
2 days ago

I believe the last year for a penny made of 100 % copper was 1982

Pozymandias
Reply to  Jack Dodson
3 days ago

Last night I watched a YT short featuring the vile pedo-face Adam Schiff talking about how the Demoncrats were going to start an insider trading investigation of Trump because of his tweet saying to buy. He was literally smirking the whole time. Of course, “insider trading” is exactly the opposite. Giving away insider tips to the dirt people on a public forum is not what that means. Perhaps even Schiff knows this and was smirking because he knows the shitlib media will never call him out on it. I expect my NextDoor feed will now be full of the Karens… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Pozymandias
3 days ago

The smirk on him is permanent. Never seen him without it

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
3 days ago

Hey, that’s anti-semitic. Let me see your papers.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Arshad Ali
3 days ago

He’s not a semite. He’s ashkenazi

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Hun
3 days ago

The people who accuse him of manipulating the market aren’t without basis. It wouldn’t be out of character (see his meme coin pump and dumps, which for some strange reason the msm ignores)

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
3 days ago

The meme coin is jaw-dropping.

whatever
whatever
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
3 days ago

When he put out the truth social tweet it became public data. So only if he or insiders on his staff traded before that is it “inside”. Once published it became market data. Of course democrats didn’t believe him but that’s their problem of using the public data or not.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Hun
3 days ago

Stocks are only worth something when you sell them, somebody has to try and catch the falling knife 😉

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Mr. House
3 days ago

Yep. It drives me nuts when I hear people say “My savings are in my 401(k). No, they aren’t. You SPENT the money in your 401(k). It’s GONE unless somebody is willing to purchase your equity stake from you in the future.

That’s the very definition of gambling.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Xman
3 days ago

Yes, but consider if the market goes to zero, so do Treasuries. No, they are not going to be guaranteed returns. Not when the food riots start.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Steve
3 days ago

How so? Rates might be much higher, but treasuries will be ok. Your bank will go under before treasuries are worth zero.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Mr. House
3 days ago

So long as the underlying company still exists, or at least has attachable assets, the stock price will probably just drop to a “reasonable” P/E. Which puts those with a 401(k) ahead of those without. Those without will be demanding and getting government bailouts and handouts.

So the ROI on your Treasuries does what when tax revenue drops to essentially zero?

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Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Steve
3 days ago

sure, whatever you say. Do you own bitcoin?

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Mr. House
3 days ago

Who’s asking, Fed? 😉

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Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Steve
3 days ago

“In times of change learners inherit the earth; while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists.”

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Mr. House
3 days ago

I think the same thing when I see most people, everywhere, proposing yesterday’s solutions to today’s problems.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Steve
3 days ago

so buy more bitcoin! Just a taste. First they defaulted on pensions and screwed the guys that worked in the mills, but i’m sure they respect you guys way more and wouldn’t nationalize your 401ks 😉

Anonymouseguy
Anonymouseguy
Reply to  Mr. House
2 days ago

Yes the list of secret arbitrary numbers in my computer is going to be super valuable in beyond thunderdome where all recognized ownership claims to large and complex productive assets (read: the market) have evaporated. Then you can sell all your bitcoin (to whom?) and live (where?) in luxury (buying what exactly?).

Zoomers up past their bedtime again.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Steve
3 days ago

Or have you already forgotten when nancy pelosi suggested just that in 08? Maybe it’ll be AOC this time, but she’ll give ya big smile when them chompers.

Anonymouseguy
Anonymouseguy
Reply to  Steve
2 days ago

If the market goes to zero (or anything close to that) we’re talking essentially an apocalypse with a total collapse of productive activity (read: production and distribution of food and energy). We would be lucky if the numbers of dead in the usa had eight figures in that world. A lot of you thinking gold bricks, treasuries, or CDs save you in this scenario are beyond delusional. I get the hatred of the elite and the shylocks but this kind of ideation is very near dreaming that every grocery store burn down because the CEO of the biggest chain is… Read more »

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Mr. House
3 days ago

They are worth something if you treat them as a share of a business that pays you dividends. I do that. I know many others who do the same. Market fluctuations don’t matter that much if you do this. Except when you want to buy more at a proper valuation.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Hun
3 days ago

do you also review the balance sheet of the companies you “invest” in? I think you’d be shocked how many are insolvent and only kept up via cashflow by monopolizing the market.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Mr. House
3 days ago

I am investing, not “investing”. You should stop assuming that everybody is an idiot. I know what I am doing.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Hun
3 days ago

Why do you think they kept rates at 0% as long as they did and Europe went negative? 2020 was financial crisis, isn’t it odd that the market flopped in the early 2000’s and we had another huge crisis? I don’t think you really understand the people you’re up against and the lengths they’ll go to with regards to power. 2020 should have woken you up to it fully.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Hun
3 days ago

nm

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Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Hun
3 days ago

Without all the bailouts and manipulation, where do you think your investments would be? Serious question

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Mr. House
3 days ago

It’s not like nothing would exist without bailouts. I would still own my share of the businesses. Of course, you seem like you don’t know what you’re talking about and your view is determined by ideology.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Hun
3 days ago

and you seem like you come here just to complain, not willing to make any sacrifice to actually make things better and more honest, hands of your “stock gains”. You also didn’t answer my question. Yeah they still might exist, and i might be able to afford a house. Yinz guys are like this and you wonder why younger people don’t support your beliefs: Kronos, also known as Cronus, is a figure from Greek mythology who swallowed his children to prevent a prophecy that one of them would overthrow him. This act symbolizes the destructive nature of time and the… Read more »

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Hun
3 days ago

Why is it acceptable to steal from others to keep your investments elevated? Because that is all bailouts and 0% rates are, theft.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Mr. House
3 days ago

You are an ideological fanatic and it’s clouding your judgement. No point in talking to you any further.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Hun
3 days ago

What ideology am i espousing? Capitalism, i’d say. You hate socialism until you benefit from it, which is what bailouts and 0% rates are. Mistakes make by wall street, paid off by the rest of society.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Hun
3 days ago

Ha better yet: Turn those machines back on!

https://youtu.be/j4SRsGn14PI

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
3 days ago

In the 90s, when some contrary opinions were allowed on TV, there were some vigorous debates on NAFTA/free trade. At the time I was just learning the subject, but thought the protectionist (Buchanan, Perot, et al) side made sense.

One thing that struck me was the general arrogant and belittling demeanor of the free traders towards the protectionists. After all, the free traders and globalism were the glorious future, while the protectionists were thought of as frightened and stuck in the past, never mind the basic financial fundamentals.

As it’s said many times here, Pat Buchanan was right.

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Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Wolf Barney
3 days ago

All you need do is to look at wage growth in Canada, US and Mexico since NAFTA. Then look at beachfront prices in Baja California and Miami. The trade war was won by the capitalists and lost by labor.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Captain Willard
3 days ago

The Sec. of the Treasury (Bessent) pointed out that 2024 was a record year for Americans taking European vacations and also for Americans using food banks.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Wolf Barney
3 days ago

The free traders were right, and still are. It’s mathematically provable, and dates back to Ricardo. But NAFTA was never about free trade. It was about managed trade. If you are going to have managed trade anyway, protectionism probably is better. But that’s just saying if you have to eat a shit sandwich, some shit is better than others..

roo_ster
Member
Reply to  Steve
3 days ago

Ricardo was a fraud.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  roo_ster
3 days ago

Most people, including many who teach Econ, just don’t understand Ricardo. In another case of synchronicity, el gato malo explains it using basic, basic math. Nothing more than multiplication, and simple enough numbers that it can be done with just addition.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-enemy-of-us-industry.

If you don’t like long-ish articles, just search for “Ricardo”

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3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Steve
3 days ago

“The free traders were right” . . . assuming no national security interests, self sufficiency interests, and no international fungibility of labor.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  3g4me
3 days ago

Those all have values you can assign to them. edit…

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Steve
Steve
Reply to  Steve
3 days ago

I don’t get how anyone could possibly downvote that. You believe it’s impossible to put a price tag on “Buy American”? Heck, idiots can figure it out. You just pay a little more. However much more you are willing to pay is how much you truly value “Buy American”, rather than how much you virtue signal it.

Denying reality is purely delusional. At best.

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Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Steve
3 days ago

Denying reality is purely delusional. At best.”

I agree 100%, no bailouts, no 0% rates 😉

As someone who was much more intelligent then either of us said:

Liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate. It will purge the rottenness out of the system. High costs of living and high living will come down. People will work harder, live a more moral life. Values will be adjusted, and enterprising people will pick up from less competent people.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Mr. House
3 days ago

no bailouts, no 0% rates”

Sounds good to me. Do you think you can get the young’uns to go along with 12+% mortgages, like with Voelker? Or are they going to insist on their bailouts?

Establishing things such that there were a realistic rate of return would be a major boon to the boomers and older X who have been diligently saving for the future. And utterly screw the blackpilled, who always figured there would be nothing for them, so they never bothered to save a thin dime.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  3g4me
3 days ago

Correct. I live 30 miles from the Canadian border. I have no problem with the fact that the engine in my truck was manufactured in Windsor, Ontario. The tax and wage and regulatory structure on both sides of the border are almost identical. In this scenario you can sell the truck in both the Canadian market (30 million) plus the American market (300 million) and have a market of 330 million. That’s free trade. On the other hand, closing a factory in the U.S. where workers are making $25, manufacturing the product in China with $2 labor, importing it and… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Xman
3 days ago

Problem is, with open borders and massive ‘legal’ immigration, “US workers” and Canadian workers are just as likely to be blacks, Mexicans and Chinese. Why I bought a used 4runner made in Japan.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Steve
3 days ago

Yes. NAFTA was about carving out exemptions for MNCs to move unfinished products across borders to take advantage of Mexican labor rates without incurring tariffs. It was never truly “free trade.”

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Wolf Barney
3 days ago

The free traders were on the right side of history, dontchaknow…

RealityRules
RealityRules
3 days ago

Krugman is not just wrong about economics. That is the least of his problems. Krugman declared that America has a white ethnic problem and that whites, correctly understand that their power is going away. He declared that Whites are not the future, but that Bill de Blasio is the future. Bill de Blasio miscegenated with a black and his children hate him and hate Whites. That aside, Z-Man alludes to the next real major battle. The media that is going to howl will be the pump network that fills the airwaves since the early 90s keeping boobus throwing money into… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  RealityRules
3 days ago

There’s that thing about projection. Amazing how different things look when one stops being a screen.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  RealityRules
3 days ago

When I see mulattos having Bar-Mitzvah parties at my country club, I will start listening to Krugman.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  RealityRules
3 days ago

Ironically, Krugman’s economics are pretty good. It’s his popular adaptations of economics that are horse-puckey. Papers and books and other professional publications he’s on pretty solid ground, particularly international finance. But the columns and tweets and whatnot? Pure, unadulterated socialist codswallop. It’s just what his readers believe, and want to see coming from an authority.

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usNthem
usNthem
3 days ago

It’s long past due that cnbc and their lead barking carney, Cramer, disappeared – talk about worthless has beens. Plus, that sob was a huge covidian and advocating the government and military force the vax on everyone. There’s also something similar about him and krugman (along with being wrong about most things), but it’s probably just coincidental…

BigJimSportCamper
BigJimSportCamper
Reply to  usNthem
3 days ago

Cohencidence is the word you are looking for.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
3 days ago

Speaking of frauds, Harvard is out grubbing for $750 million in funding over fed funds uncertainty.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/harvard-borrow-750-million-amid-federal-funding-uncertainty

The same Harvard sitting on a $53 billion endowment.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
3 days ago

The same Harvard sitting on a $53 billion endowment.

Good point. You have to wonder what an audit would reveal given $750 million is less than 15 percent there if accurate.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
3 days ago

They’re also offering remedial math for their DEI Negroes and trust-fund snowflakes:

Harvard University: The Ivy League teaching remedial math

“Harvard Community College,” LOL

iForgotmyPen
iForgotmyPen
3 days ago

I don’t think we have the social capital to make the sacrifices that need to be made. And why would we? The flooding of the 3rd world here has eroded any sort of bond we have as a people. Once their grills and F-150s double in price, Normie is going to turn on Trump and I just don’t see the guy having the guts to forge ahead. We’re in a bad place as a people, not enough want to forgo instant gratification for long-term health and we’ve grown too accustomed to cheap trinkets and endless credit. Collapse and ultimate separation… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  iForgotmyPen
3 days ago

Yep, you could be correct. Here’s a personal example. Last year I bought an EV—much to everyone’s horror and derision. On the window of my Ford Mach-e was a required sticker stating the *value* and origin of foreign parts included in the EV. The sticker said, 51% of the value of my EV parts were *Chinese* in origin! Now how does one get an ostensibly American car with 51% value Chinese? Simple, it’s the damn battery made in China. Now a little math for those so disinclined here. Say the build cost of the EV was $30k. That means $15k+… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Compsci
3 days ago

“A big win for Tesla since Musk makes batteries here.” Yes, in the immediate short term. But think about all those companies and countries who pledged to open facilities here in the states. Let’s stick with your numbers. A Tesla is $60k while EVs on the world market are around $40k. (In China and India, there are models around $15k.) Musk pulls in money because he’s catering to a higher price point, plus he gets all those carbon offset credits. Say that businesses left America because manufacturing cost (regulation, labor, litigation, the whole nine yards) was 10% cheaper overseas. So… Read more »

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Jkloi
Jkloi
Reply to  Compsci
3 days ago

Have no sympathy for fuckers with factories overseas or people who purchase in a foreign land or spend a vacation in a foreign land. All of them were and are the problem. Buy and make in America or get fucking bent.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jkloi
3 days ago

There is no America, only AINO. The extent to which patronizing AINO is a good idea is debatable.

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 days ago

Only if you are worried about theoreticals instead of your children’s quality of life.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Eloi
3 days ago

Theory versus lived existence is always a trade-off. That is a given.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  iForgotmyPen
3 days ago

I’m more concerned with high taxes and the suddenly astronomical cost of home insurance. Stomper trucks and wizbang grills, I can do without. The cost of necessities is always much more important than the cost of luxuries.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
3 days ago

It is going to be a very rough transition to reality…The steady decline in American intelligence (as measured by declining SAT scores for at least 60 years) means that the Chinese and other Asians are going to have an increasing numerical advantage in smart, hardworking people…America needs to get serious about banning fluoride in the water and eliminating the massive, crippling vaccine schedule perpetrated by Pharma…and I see only baby steps in that direction currently…..,

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  pyrrhus
3 days ago

It would also help if “American intelligence” as measured by SAT scores or anything else depended on White heritage Americans rather than Haitians, Somalis, and Venezuelans,

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  3g4me
3 days ago

The only thing that matters is if white SAT scores have been declining over the last 60 years. If not, or if only marginally, the downward intelligence trend can be chalked up to dieversity.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  pyrrhus
3 days ago

how much of the measured decline in the aggregate is due to all nigs and other brown people now in the country? and why wouldn’t other countries be experiencing the same phenomena?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  karl von hungus
3 days ago

Note, when the standards decline to allow for increased minority participation, so to do those standards for Whites! That is a dirty little secret we do not hear about. Decreased standards affect everybody—Whites and minorities. Yes, there are still pockets of predominantly White communities and their schools, but that has been in decline as the US demographics change over time.

People rise to the level of their challenge. Reduce standards and the laggards increase. There may still be distinctions among the races, but overall we deteriorate.

Mycale
Mycale
3 days ago

Nothing exemplifies the fake economy better than Alan Greenspan, but he is practically forgotten today (and is still alive!). He used his position as head of the Fed to print money to protect bankers and industries from their own incompetence and shady dealings, but went in front of Congress and spoke a bunch of nonsense. However, he spoke nonsense in a very obtuse and jargon-filled way so the Congresspeople were afraid to call him out for fear of being called dumb by the media. This idiot was in charge of our economy for 19 years and did untold damage to… Read more »

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
Reply to  Mycale
3 days ago

Greenspan was as dumb as a rock. A former protege of Ayn Rand. His job was to look sombre while talking through his ass.

NoName
NoName
Reply to  Arshad Ali
3 days ago

Mycale: “Nothing exemplifies the fake economy better than Alan Greenspan” Here I have to disagree, or, at least, here I have to confess that I’m looking at it from an entirely different angle. I am now firmly of the opinion that Black Tuesday of 1987 was a controlled Psy-Op, of precisely the same nature as 9-11 [and, to the extent that Benjamin Netanyahu TURNED OFF Iron Dome beforehand, of the same nature as October 7th]. There isn’t a doubt in my mind but that Black Tuesday & 9-11 & the 2008/2009 collapse & October 7th were all very highly coordinated… Read more »

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  NoName
3 days ago

I was on the desk that day right next to one of the richest tribesman in NYC. It wasn’t a conspiracy from my vantage point. Just normal stupidity.

NoName
NoName
Reply to  Captain Willard
3 days ago

It’s a conspiracy if A) They know with certainty that there is going to be a crash [so that they can purchase short options beforehand], or if B) They know that Uncle Hymen Shekelstein in the Federal Reserve will be able to secretly wire several billion dollars to keep them afloat after the crash. That’s what they never teach you in Econ 101, that you don’t get rich from economic growth, but rather that you get rich from economic COLLAPSE. Why do you think Larry Silverstein took out insurance policies on the Twin Towers? Because 9-11 was a very carefully… Read more »

NoName
NoName
Reply to  NoName
3 days ago

I didn’t know this until just now, but last night, Tucker Carlson had an yuge vidya with Alex Jones, concerning the 9-11 Psy-Op, and how it was all entirely staged theater, courtesy of the Council of the Sanhedrin and their CIA subsidiary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVaUsDzdq4E

If you know the disaster is coming, then successfully shorting ahead of the disaster can make you unimaginably wealthy.

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Chris
Chris
Reply to  Arshad Ali
2 days ago

Having a voice like Tom Carvel didn’t help either.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Mycale
3 days ago

He was shocked by the 2008 crash. QED

iForgotmyPen
iForgotmyPen
Reply to  Mycale
3 days ago

Dumber than Janet Yellen?

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  iForgotmyPen
3 days ago

Would have been interesting to question her when she was tripping on magic mushrooms in China. Coulda perhaps gotten some truth out of her. Perhaps that is why the chinese fed them to her?

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/15/business/janet-yellen-magic-mushrooms-china/index.html

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
3 days ago

Reminds me of the Twilight Zone episode, “A Nice Place to Visit.” In this episode, a small-time hood named Rocky Valentine is gunned down by the cops after heisting a jewelry store. He is awakened by a portly, bearded bloke in a white suit who basically gives Valentine everything he desires–dames, money, a palace, the finest clothes, etc. Valentine also loves to gamble, and in this new afterlife, it turns out he cannot lose. Every spin of the roulette wheel gives him maximal returns. Every hand is a royal flush. The dice always come up 21. Valentine, thrilled to bits,… Read more »

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TomA
TomA
3 days ago

In the era of our ancestral evolution, nature provided the reality check that sustained improvement of the species (e.g. being stupid got you dead and out of the gene pool). Civilization killed this model and replaced it with artificial drivers that produced leadership like Bush the stupid, Obama the fag impostor, and Biden the walking dead. There can be no redemption without culling.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  TomA
3 days ago

the model wasn’t killed, it is still in force. only the cycle length has changed a bit.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  karl von hungus
3 days ago

If that were true, Bush would have electrocuted himself as a young child by sticking a fork in an electric outlet, Obama would have died of a drug overdose, and Biden would have stepped in front of a bus before he ever graduated from kindergarden. Modern society has too many safeguards that keep the idiots vertical.

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
3 days ago

How are will the USG pay back the $37 trillion ($37,000,000,000,000.00) in federal debt?

They won’t.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Mow Noname
3 days ago

They will just keep inflating it away.

My economic barometer is the cost of a quarter pound combo meal at a fast food restaurant. I remember when it used to be two or three dollars. Then it was five or six dollars. Now it’s pushing $10. In 10 years, a Wendy’s combo meal should be about $17.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  TempoNick
3 days ago

It recently was that much—if you didn’t have a Wendy’s account/app and a coupon and buy it during specific hours, etc. All together, as if they’re not in competition at all, the whole fast food business model shifted to each place taking its turn ripping you off and pissing you off once, because who cares if you never come back if you left them $30+. They might not profit that much over a lifetime of treating you fairly. Add non-stop immigration forever, and it’s like an “infinite money glitch” in a video game. They’ve retreated a bit from that, I… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  TempoNick
3 days ago

They will just keep inflating it away.”

That’s the only way. However, the Fed budget must be brought into balance or the debt will go away via “default”, hyper inflation, and collapse of the monetary system. The notable examples are Zimbabwe and Argentina, who have done this repeatedly and are economic basket cases because of such.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  TempoNick
3 days ago

Repudiation by inflation.

Lucius Vorenus
Lucius Vorenus
Reply to  TempoNick
3 days ago

You could have worse metrics, though those fast food price increases that have significantly outstripped inflation (and also wage bumps) are primarily from paying celebrities more for promo spots than their own CEOs and bloated app development budgets.

Fred Beans
Fred Beans
3 days ago

I’m recalling a financial magazine article from the mid-90s from a doctor about the medical profession. He said no longer recommended his profession to young people. With the rising costs of insurance and other limitations on their income as well as the demands and costs of education, he told them they’d be much better off pursuing a career as a lawyer.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Fred Beans
3 days ago

One of the problems with the medical profession is that physicians are increasingly employed by corporations (e.g., HMOs) rather than being independent businessmen. The corporations call the tune and you obey or face the consequences. This was on full display during the Covid disaster. Physicians who would not play ball with the established protocols were persecuted, sanctioned, or fired.

John k
John k
Reply to  Fred Beans
3 days ago

lol. The U.S. has more lawyers than the rest of the world. China has more engineers doing applied research and product development than the rest of the world. Who do you think owns the future? If I was young I would seriously consider emigrating to a smaller stable country.

Bitter Reactionary
Bitter Reactionary
3 days ago

I am not an economist and am not qualified to give financial advice but I think the following are most likely true: 1. The value of the dollar relative to other currencies has little to do with tanglible goods, so that’s an unproductive way to think about it. Otherwise, the ending of the petrodollar should have had more impact. Dollars fill some odd roles – like simple scorekeeping among the rich for example. They also are craved as a savings medium world wide. I still want as many as I can get as well. 2. The worst doom scenarios are… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Bitter Reactionary
3 days ago

The petrodollar tends to be a tad overrated. It’s only one tool in the toolbox of dollar hegemony, not the whole foundation of it. And any ending of it happens only by degrees, over a long period of time, not all at once like flipping a switch. As we have seen.

greg hiscott
3 days ago

Cramer and Krugman are in the entertainment business – not the financial analysis business. IF they were any good, they would be managing their own portfolio as their primary occupation and they would be far richer.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
3 days ago

The Gamestop Affair, where the freaking FBI investigated kids for the crime of turning a profit and cutting into institutional short sellers’ (assume triple parenthesis) margin, for me marks the official end of the fraudulent inflated marker. Even though the story was quickly memoryholed, what happened did not escape the attention of foreign investors who wrongly assumed American markets were immune from the same shenanigans associated with China. And as an aside but related, it is probably wrong to assume Jim Cramer is merely a comical, perpetually wrong figure. The FBI or SEC or whatever never will visit him, of… Read more »

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
3 days ago

I am not a fan of Jamie Dimon but he did a decent interview about the trade issue on CNBC.
Thus proving that at least a significant faction of the elites are on board with the changes to our financial order.
Those favoring keying Tesla’s may eventually come with real costs.

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Hun
Hun
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
3 days ago

Leftist economist Yanis Varoufakis has also provided some interesting analysis of the tariff/trade war. Check him out on youtube.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Hun
3 days ago

Is there such a thing as a non-leftist Greek today? Asking for a friend.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  3g4me
3 days ago

Golden Dawn and their successors. They were making progress until they were politically crushed by the “deep state”. The people still exist.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Hun
3 days ago

Genuine respect for Golden Dawn before they were crushed, but so far as I understood they were nationalists, not anti-socialists. I readily admit my opinion of Greeks is based on my visits to Greece in the late ’80s, but I was massively disappointed by the people and place.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  3g4me
3 days ago

Yeah, the country is a mess. Now even more than before, thanks to the hordes of invading “migrants”. Before the migrants, it was a classic Balkan mess (though some Greeks claim not to be the Balkans).

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  3g4me
3 days ago

When we visited Athens in 2019, I noted that nearly every building in town was covered with graffiti. I asked our Greek guide who was spraying all that graffiti (assuming it was foreigners, as it is here [Mexicans in Cali]). He replied that it was being done by Greeks.

Zulu Juliet
Zulu Juliet
Reply to  Dutchboy
3 days ago

Two years ago I was in Germany, and every stationary item shoulder height and below was covered with graffiti. That’s a great falling off from the orderly country I knew in the eighties.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Zulu Juliet
3 days ago

Grafitti, like piercings, is an index of a society in steep decline.

Oldster
Oldster
Reply to  3g4me
3 days ago

What nationality are you? My experience is people who have bad things to say about Greeks or their country have a historical ax to grind. Eg. Bulgarians

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Hun
3 days ago

Yanis is a media personality, he’s been in the spotlight since 2008 and i don’t take him seriously. Controlled opposition in my opinion. This guy is much better:

https://thephilosophicalsalon.com/a-self-fulfilling-prophecy-systemic-collapse-and-pandemic-simulation/

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Mr. House
3 days ago

This guy is a nobody. Yanis being a known personality is kind of the point – he has an audience. And unlike most other leftists, he doesn’t end his analysis with “Trump is just a crazy buffoon”.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Hun
3 days ago

I’d rather be right then popular 😉

Look what all the “popular” people wanted to do in 2020!

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Mr. House
3 days ago

It means nothing to be right when you don’t have an audience.

Anyway, this is way besides the point. I am not a leftist nor a fan of Yanis. I simply pointed out that he has an interesting perspective that goes outside of the usual leftist discourse.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
3 days ago

The process of de-dollarizing the world economy will take the rest of our lives. Zman will be right, but he and I might not live to see it play out. It would take 10 years alone to pay off or refinance all the Eurodollar debt in circulation. The financialization of the US economy took 50 years and the unraveling will probably take 50 years. If it happens quicker, it will be due to a Hunger Games collapse.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Captain Willard
3 days ago

I finally got around to watching that movie a couple of months ago. First thought, overrated. Second thought, it struck me that their “elites” look a lot like our “elites.”

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Captain Willard
3 days ago

First slowly, then suddenly. It may take 50 years or maybe 50 days. Some things are impossible to predict.

Vizzini
Member
3 days ago

Our government policy is currently oriented around rewarding the unproductive and penalizing the productive. Economists are wrong about a lot of stuff, but “you get less of what you tax and more of what you subsidize” is still true.

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Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Vizzini
3 days ago

There’s little evidence of that. But one true thing in economics, maybe the only true thing, is “information asymmetry.” Non-insiders don’t even know what incentives they’re subject to. By the time they get news of changes, it’s too late to alter their behavior. No preference is revealed when people can’t afford to do what they’d prefer and every exchange is fraud on at least one side. Shuffling nudges around doesn’t make anything happen when everyone’s constrained in a thousand other unknown ways. In such an economy, what does “productive” mean? The most comical welfare queen and Elon Musk alike have… Read more »

Zulu Juliet
Zulu Juliet
3 days ago

A scan of the interweb’s headlines and comment threads and all is right with the world: Everyone sucking on Uncle Sugar’s teat is crying and whining as he finally rolls over; Brown people are being rounded up and deported. The Euros are stumbling around and gasping like someone thrown into an ice bath. The banksters are howling because someone it trying to do something for the working man. Happy days.

Cruishank
Cruishank
Reply to  Zulu Juliet
3 days ago

I cannot overstate the joy I will feel when NATO ends and we Europeans tell you where to stick your arms manufacturers and Middle Eatern foreign policy.

Marco Rubio whining about Europeans having to buy American; on the same day Trump halfwits calling the Europeans freeloaders.

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Ride-By Shooter
Ride-By Shooter
Reply to  Cruishank
3 days ago

“I cannot overstate the joy I will feel when…”

It will be a beautiful day, or so we can hope.

Ride-By Shooter
Ride-By Shooter
Reply to  Cruishank
3 days ago

It’s almost impossible to overstate the disorder and danger into which Israel, this dirty rotten empire, and resident stooges have plunged the indigenous people of Evrope, all the way from the Urals to the mouth of the Tagus. Nor is the task a small one if you expect the death merchants and Zionist dreamers to stop causing problems. A thirsty creedal empire like the USA is similar to Islam. There will be no end to its self-righteous bullying without its demise. So at minimum ye in the west, as I think you’re located, need to help the Russians and the Chinese… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
3 days ago

Being the global reserve currency no longer works for the US or for the world. However, dismantling the Eurodollar system is going to be extremely difficult and messing. But, yes, in a more sane system, the US will have to live by nature’s rules, which will be difficult for Wall Street.

The good news is that it should be better for Main Street.

TempoNick
TempoNick
3 days ago

There was a great syndicated columnist in the local business paper whose name was Malcolm Berko. I guess he was a stockbroker out of the Tampa Bay area. He was way ahead of the curve when it came to pointing out the very problems we talk about on these kinds of pages about economics. One of the things that stuck with me was how he used to point out that the inflation rate was a bunch of BS. He often liked to point out the difference between the BS official inflation rate and the actual street inflation when it comes… Read more »

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Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  TempoNick
3 days ago

A good way to determine real inflation is to look at valuable things that are limited, like beachfront properties. However, the problem there is that they don’t benefit from increased productivity.

My best gauge for real inflation is farmland prices. Farmland is limited, but the crop yield from farmland benefits from productivity increases – which lower costs. Basically, it’s a good mix of what we see in the economy.

Since 1997, farmland has appreciated at 5.5%, which is a lot higher than the CPI of 2.5%.

Ride-By Shooter
Ride-By Shooter
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 days ago

“Since 1997, farmland has appreciated at 5.5%” Interesting standard of reference. I figure that, if the rate were constant, prices would double, triple, and quadruple in 12.9 yrs, 20.5 yrs, and 25.9 yrs respectively. 2.5% would mean that these increases take 28, 44.5, and 56 yrs. It looks like your metric is a better indicator than the CPI. Acc. to a site called AcreTrader, back in early March of 2024, Latest USDA data shows the United States losing 4.8 acres of cropland every minute. That means that the USA has lost about 2.8m acres (4, 374 mi²) of cropland since… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Ride-By Shooter
3 days ago

Good cropland is easy excavate for homebuilders.

CorkyAgain
CorkyAgain
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 days ago

They’re also using good cropland for utility-scale solar power installations.

The latest County Highway newspaper has an interesting article about how the data centers in northern Virginia are looking to solar to provide their massive energy needs and how this is impacting the rural parts of the state.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  TempoNick
3 days ago

Hedonic adjustment, substitution effects…..economists have a lot of tricks

Mr. House
Mr. House
3 days ago

This is the end of America’s long holiday from reality.”

It’s been a nightmare for anyone who understood this early. I was 23 in 2008, did a deep dive into economics when that “once in a lifetime” crisis hit. Had an instinctual understanding we were bankrupt. Glad to see this is starting to become common knowledge. Anything goes and nothing matters will die the death it deserves with the death of easy money. People should only have to endure one decade of easy money (the roaring 20’s) anything longer ensures mass psychosis 😉

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
3 days ago

“We have experienced a forty-year run while at the same time the American economy transitioned from inventing things and making them to driving each other around in Ubers.” The one is connected to the other and is not a paradox. The hollowing out of the real economy and the immiseration of the American masses has been inextricably tied to the buoyant fortune of finance capital. This is in contrast to the period from 1945 to around 1973 — referred to by the French as Les Trente Glorieuses, when everyone’s fortune was in the ascendant. Western capitalism turned cannibalistic after that,… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Arshad Ali
2 days ago

Wait, I can pay you in either pieces-of-eight, Confederate dollars, or American continentals.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
3 days ago

You could have a crash like the 2008 one because nobody in the financial business had an interest in bringing the bad news to the public. It’s always roses and blue skies to keep the suckers investing in those shady investments like bundled mortgages (mortgages sold to low income people who had no chance to pay them off once the interest rates jacked up). The people who actually sold the mortgages in the first place promptly sold them on down the line and ended up rich and unpunished.

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
3 days ago

Big problem: not enough engineers. We don’t graduate enough. Most of them are foreigners who are going home. And even if we get rid of DEI in engine schools, the public schools don’t emphasize STEM enough to produce the smart kids who can fill the seats.

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
Reply to  Jack Boniface
3 days ago

Engineering hasn’t been valued in recent decades. An engineer — if he’s fortunate enough to land a job — starts at what? $60k? A “financial engineer” can start at 120k, 150k, 200k (depending on the school he earns his grad degree from and the firm where he gets hired).

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Arshad Ali
3 days ago

AA-

Exactly.

Engineers also don’t get any of the intangible benefits that abound in the financial, legal, and medical professions.

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
3 days ago

Didn’t reply to you in time two days ago — yes. you’re right about Gordon Gekko being a composite.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
3 days ago

Engineering jobs are also closely tied to an industrial economy. Send that to China and Chinese engineers get the benefit. American engineers get screwed. My brother was an exception because he worked for a defense contractor. We haven’t sent that industry to China(yet).

Pozymandias
Reply to  Dutchboy
2 days ago

Sadly, this is one of the major drivers of American military adventurism and aggression. If America actually tried to stop antagonizing the world its one remaining industrial sector would collapse. Everyone knows that the “defense” industry is protected (rightly) from most outsourcing and foreign competition. Investors know this and know that buying a share of a company that makes war widgets is a safer bet than buying a share of one that just makes widgets because the federal government subsidizes the former. The remaining native born engineers in the US also know that being able to get a clearance keeps… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Arshad Ali
3 days ago

“A “financial engineer” can start at 120k, 150k, 200k (depending on the school he earns his grad degree from and the firm where he gets hired).” This is an old (30-40 year) problem. Trump is in the process of killing off (rebalancing the market wrt) the symbol manipulators. The balance could be reversed if he’s successful. The other problem is that STEM is hard! Engineering requires discipline and a background in tough subjects like Math. Our (public) secondary schools no longer establish such in their graduates. Business degree not so much. However, most of these business majors do *not* wind… Read more »

Shortshanks Daley
Shortshanks Daley
Reply to  Compsci
3 days ago

I was not in the top ten graduates from my ridiculously accomplished h.s. class. I did score just below perfect on the SAT, #2 in my class and a NMSF. Mr. Perfect, 800 math, solo son of our town’s communist opthamologist, was sent to math camp whereas I got forced to wrestling camp. Dude graduated MIT, where my fam has staked a presence. I attended state school. He acquired his CDL and drove a semi for two years, wbich is fairly rich for a french horn player. Converted his CDL logbook into a novel/novelty that oddly made itself into the… Read more »

jpb
jpb
Reply to  Shortshanks Daley
3 days ago

You will be replaced by AI.

Shortshanks Daley
Shortshanks Daley
Reply to  jpb
3 days ago

Worked with it (CLIPS) since the early 1990’s. It will serve me but not replace me. The checks will be endorsed by me end of day after I turn that crap off. Nope. I am sure. Nobody can lie like a carbon based human.

Winter
Winter
Reply to  Jack Boniface
3 days ago

“Most of them are foreigners who are going home.” Let’s hope they’re going home. We should encourage them to GTFO for the sake of American employees and national security. While we’re at it, let’s stop filling our universities with foreigners. We’ve got smart kids of our own.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Winter
3 days ago

Those kids are over 50% non-White. Does “smart kids of our own” include the Indian girl whose parents are suing a spelling bee because she missed a simple word (pallbearer) that wasn’t included in the test-prep list she memorized?

Winter
Winter
Reply to  3g4me
3 days ago

No, because the kid you describe is not our own. Obviously, “kids of our own” refers to heritage Americans. When you picture “kids of our own,” do you picture lawsuit-happy dot-Indians? I sure as heck don’t.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  thezman
3 days ago

Unfortunately true, that first part. Most of what’s called engineering is calculator grunt work. But the electronic jeet is even dumber than the real one. It’ll find a way to crash the oil tankers back into the desert they came from. We remember conservatives saying we’d have to snap out of it before we degenerated to the point of making affirmative action planes and feminist bridges and shit. “They have to not fall down ha ha!” Well, we have affirmative-action planes and feminist bridges now, and they fall down, and nobody cares. Not caring is the progress we’ve made. “AI”… Read more »

NoName
NoName
Reply to  thezman
3 days ago

Z: “energy production and distribution“ And that’s why Copper prices are soaring. Our economy, with all of those hundreds of millions of iPh@gs, and the attendant cellphone towers & power substations & untold numbers of electronic subsystems in our machines now, our economy has just about an insatiable appetite for elements such as Copper. No Copper means no iPh@g means no Dopamine Hits means Borderline Personality Disorder goes thermonukular during the withdrawal period. Heck, Cluster B might just skip the withdrawal period altogether, and move straight for thermonukular destruction of the entire suhciety. I can easily imagine sh!tlibbette cars with… Read more »

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  NoName
3 days ago

The metal revolution started with the smelting of copper and has come full circle with copper once again becoming a nearly precious metal.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  NoName
3 days ago

Copper abounds in the US. Unfortunately so do regulations and lawfare. Right down the road from my burg lies a huge deposit of copper and it is now going on 30+ years that a proposed mine has been delayed in opening by the tree huggers—even though the Fed’s had signed off on it, the tree huggers are now repeatedly in the courts and of course the Biden administration rolled back some of the approvals.

We are not (yet?) a serious nation.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  NoName
3 days ago

Issue is copper in large and usable quantities. I have a few copper rounds – they are very pretty and a curiosity, but neither a genuine store of wealth or usable by industry.

Ride-By Shooter
Ride-By Shooter
Reply to  thezman
3 days ago

“AI will solve much of this. It is already happening.” Maybe so, for a while, then the Russians and Chinese figure out what’s going on. This gets them thinking about the logical conclusions in terms of American weapons development and testing, and logicstics management. Given the empire’s libido dominandi and her thirst for their blood and resources, the Russians and Chinese quickly conclude that their very survival depends upon cancelling the scores of data centers, power plants, substations, and other infrastructure being built for AI. They have to act. Crippling or knocking out that infrastructure would be like killing much… Read more »

jpb
jpb
Reply to  thezman
3 days ago

Oil/natgas energy equivalence is 5.8. Oil/natgas price ratio is 15. America is a natgas super power.

Winter
Winter
Reply to  Jack Boniface
3 days ago

“The public schools don’t emphasize STEM enough to produce the smart kids who can fill the seats.” I get what you’re saying about DEI, but there have been plenty of smart kids with good credentials who don’t get into top universities. They’re teaching remedial math at Harvard for God’s sake. Why? Because “marginalized” black and brown students can’t do the work. Meanwhile, white males, in particular, have been short-changed by the entire education system. It wouldn’t take long to turn that around.

Johnny Ducati
Johnny Ducati
Member
Reply to  Winter
3 days ago

They’ve been telling our kids to get STEM degrees, then they give those jobs to pajeets.

Thomas Mcleod
Thomas Mcleod
Reply to  Jack Boniface
3 days ago

Thirty+ years ago most “engineering work” was tech work that was performed by high school grad White boys trained on the job. Griggs v. Duke power ended that pipeline. In an average month my entire firm does about 10 hours of real engineering work. The rest of it? Paperwork, boilerplate engineering, and meetings. Paperwork, boilerplate engineering, and meetings. Paperwork, boilerplate engineering, and meetings. 

Ronald
Ronald
Member
Reply to  Thomas Mcleod
3 days ago

This ^^^

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Jack Boniface
3 days ago

Jack-

Spot on.

The US can forget about reindustrializing and competing with China if it isn’t going to develop the largest and highest-quality engineering workforce possible.

The quality of Western engineering education is also in doubt. One of the best examples of this is how the Russians dropped the Western model of engineering education and returned to the old Soviet methods after noticing a precipitation decline in the quality of their engineering grads.

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Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
3 days ago

Exactly, but you can’t do much without acknowledging your raw ingredients—White’s and Asian’s. To mention the countries of China and Russia as examples (even though true) ignores the elephant in the room.

Russia and China are not burdened by lack of raw material, the USA is. That coupled with AA and DIE handicaps, produces quite an impediment to engineer production—and yes it starts as far back as primary school in the USA.

There are alternatives as you hinted at with education in the art, but that’s a long discussion best for another topic.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
3 days ago

 after noticing a precipitation decline in the quality of their engineering grads.

Their engineering grads were dehydrating?

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Vizzini
3 days ago

Ya got me!

I really need to reign in or even disable my autocorrect!

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
3 days ago

A particularly worrisome phenomenon among hydraulic engineers…

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Jack Boniface
3 days ago

I think someone above pointed out the economics of financialization in getting our cognitively gifted to apply physics to market pirating activity instead of toward STEM. They were further pressured by the inflation and cost of living in our homeland. Meanwhile, the only path forward for upward mobility for India and China was actually doing STEM or cognitive professions. The entire system created perverse incentives. Perhaps many of the White traitors will become advocates once quant funds no longer provide employment. Z contends that AI will replace engineers. If that is the case then Juan, Carter, Shankar, Xilao, Djiwowo, Vlad… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  RealityRules
3 days ago

RR-

This is also correct.

There are a lot of bright engineering minds that realized they could make far more working in private equity or investment banking rather than slaving away in a cube for 30 or 40 years.

If I got a do over in life I would definitely consider that path.

Ride-By Shooter
Ride-By Shooter
Reply to  RealityRules
3 days ago

Beginning at 9:10 that so-called Canadian talks about themes of the murky mysticism called kabbalistic “thought”. Centuries ago that mumbojumbo led Israel into disaster such as belief in Shabbetai Tzvi (1626-1676). He was one of several wannabe mashiachs throughout history who arose and passed away without completing mashiach’s mission. We can be sure that a slew of new aspirants will appear during the next 215 years as they approach the year 6000, but all of them will fail. Listen closely to phrases such as “repair of God”, “pieces of him or her or it”, “repair the face of God”, and… Read more »

Occam's Toothbrush
Occam's Toothbrush
Reply to  Ride-By Shooter
2 days ago

You need to get out in the sunlight more.

Ride-By Shooter
Ride-By Shooter
Reply to  Occam's Toothbrush
1 day ago

Noted: absence of cognitive element from your reply.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Jack Boniface
3 days ago

All the White males (and we’re running out of those, too) who like to build and make and tinker with things don’t go to college. If they applied, they wouldn’t be accepted, and they don’t have the money to waste competing with girrrl power and DEI (don’t kid yourself, it has not gone away in the least).

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Jack Boniface
3 days ago

As others have pointed out, the need for competent engineers is dropping, and not because we are de-industrializing, but because of computers. Back in the late ’90s I worked out all the calculations for a new production line I was considering, and contacted a vendor for a quote on a plate heat exchanger. I was transferred to a glorified data entry clerk who put in the values of the system I was designing, and it spit back out pretty much the same specs I figured. In under a minute. Five minutes later, this person, who could have been a high… Read more »

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Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
3 days ago

The hysterical democratic flattery with which the news media constantly assure hoi polloi that “you decide” (as if the individual vote could make any difference now) can only demoralize anyone who grasps what is really going on.

JS

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Hi-ya!
3 days ago

Our so-called rights have been exposed as a real crock of excrement. Listen to the Tucker Carlson interview with Alex Jones just put up this week. I’m not even an Alex Jones fan and I find what happened to him absolutely infuriating. Also infuriating that nobody is being punished and having to pay a price for these abuses.

If “they” want people to continue to believe in our system, they better start backing up with a teach us in high school democracy class with punishment for the people who get out of line and abuse people’s rights.

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Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  TempoNick
3 days ago

Anyone who thought they had rights post-Covid is…special. Even Carlson seems to think he has free speech despite what was done to him. Magic thinking.

Compsci
Compsci
3 days ago

“The primitive use of shiny bits of metal as currency only comes back if we enter a dark age.” I beg to differ a bit. Of course you are correct within the context of how financial transactions occur today, but what about the future? Countries around the world are pushing to eliminate “paper” currency and establish “digital” currency. Digital currency will be under complete control of the central authority, and of course any form of privacy in personal transactions a thing of the past. The ability to manipulate Fed account ledgers seems infinite as well. Take China and Canada as… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Compsci
3 days ago

so some bits are better than other bits? 😛

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Compsci
3 days ago

Agreed. Fiat cash, metal, tangible durable goods. If you don’t hold it, you don’t own it.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Compsci
3 days ago

Either fortuitously or by judgement Z used the term currency.
Money has three attributes:
A unit of account
A means of exchange
A store of value.
Currency only has the first two.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
3 days ago

When it comes to investment strategy, you see a lot of “back testing.” As in, this strategy was back tested to 1945, or 1965, or 1985, or something. And here’s how it did. Oblivious to the probability that the next 80 years could be radically different from the last 80. Oblivious to the probability that the postwar boom and subsequent financialization were the anomalies, not the norm. This period gave rise to dogma such as “stay invested, never sell, the market always goes up over time.” Because that has been good advice for 80 years. But nobody was saying anything… Read more »

Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
3 days ago

I don’t pretend to know whether Trump’s tariff reversal was due to bond market instability or 4D chess. What I do know is that we now have baseline 10% duties across the board, 125% on the most predatory exporter, and the world seems grateful. Neat trick, even if he stumbled into it. Regardless, the bond market is still king of the hill, as it has been since the early 90s, at least. It will remain so as long as deficit spending persists, which means until doomsday (literally). Also, whether or not a trade deal is ultimately reached with China, our… Read more »

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
3 days ago

125% on the most predatory exporter

If you don’t like their goods, don’t buy them. Quite simple. As I see it, they manufacture high quality goods at reasonable prices. The USA doesn’t. Don’t blame the Chinese for USA’s manifold shortcomings.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Arshad Ali
3 days ago

The Bentonville Waltons can’t be happy with this state of affairs

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Arshad Ali
3 days ago

Back in the early 90s, I told my wife to avoid buying stuff from China. She eventually begged me to relent because it was difficult to find stuff (esp. stuff for kids) that wasn’t made in China. She also pointed out that the stuff that wasn’t made in China was usually made in some Third World country (i.e., some sweatshop), not the USA.

Zfan
Zfan
Reply to  Arshad Ali
3 days ago

I don’t blame them at all. They are doing what a healthy organism or society does: look out for their own good. Our collective good requires reindustrialization and tariffs are part of what’s needed. We understood when developing countries used import replacement strategies before, its our turn now.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Arshad Ali
3 days ago

I’m hardly one to apologize for AINO’s shortcomings, but there is ample proof of the shoddiness of Chinese manfacturing. In many cases, even if one wants to avoid Chinesium, there are no alternatives. We just ordered a new mailbox and had to do a fair bit of online searching to find a solid one we liked that was made in the US.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  3g4me
3 days ago

You could make your own in about a half hour with snips and a pop rivet tool. Or about an hour to weld one out of 1/4″ steel to foil the delinquents who like trashing mailboxes. I’d have loved to see that kid’s face when the baseball bat stopped cold and sent vibrations into his hands as it broke.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Steve
3 days ago

Appreciate the suggestion but I am an old lady with no welder or sheet steel (needlework was more my style). My neighbor could probably do it but he does us enough favors as it is (and has already volunteered, without being asked, to mount the new one when it arrives). Galvanized steel made in the US.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  3g4me
3 days ago

I bought Mrs. Steve a TIG and a plasma cutter for Christmas. She was skeptical at first but is now having a blast. She’s redone the kitchen in kind of an industrial theme.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Arshad Ali
3 days ago

This is a correct statement by Arshad. I’d only add that in the case of China—goods excellent or not—there may be a strategic aspect to trade with such a country of such magnitude. The current imbalance has far reaching effects concerning national security for us and the Western world.

Johnny Ducati
Johnny Ducati
Member
3 days ago

Imagine all those paper pushers groaning under production quotas for the first time in their sorry lives.
The schadenfreude would be so rich.

Diversity Heretic
Member
3 days ago

I wouldn’t rule out investing in the stock market, especially if one’s time frame is long enough. There is a recent scholarly study that rejects ordinary asset allocation models in favor of an all-equity portfolio, with an optimum allocation of one-third domestic and two-thirds international equities. The paper is entitled: Beyond the Status Quo: A Critical Assessment of Lifecycle Investment Advice , by Aizhan Anarkulova, Scott Cederburg and Michael S. O’Doherty. Their analysis is equity and bond markets in over 30 countries, going back to the 1890s for some countries. You should be able to find it on the internet… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
3 days ago

As long as you’re not the unlucky one who gets hit by 1929 when you’re in your 50s or 60s. There is no model or strategy that will help you then. Not even buying gold. Which ties into the psychological angle, they admit.

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
3 days ago

Billy strings is an interesting phenomenon: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tirsBNeCR_8&si=nt05rVTysgLnfiai After COVID I swore off public events not because of fearing sickness but contempt of the crazies. I still may never fly again. But I’m crawling out from my rock to go see this guy this spring. he is a hell of a picker, flawlessly precise and even more innovative than Tony rice, but this music is very conservative and safe. I remember groups like McGraw gap, the bluegrassholes, and Larry keel experience were doing this before strings was even born. it feels too like an artificial extension of the Grateful Dead which… Read more »

Tars Tarkas
Member
3 days ago

Without a trade deficit, there will be nobody to buy the bonds. All that money that goes out of the country comes back in the form of buying gov bonds, US stocks and real estate and drives up their prices. I heard yesterday that 25 trillion Dollars in bonds will mature in the next 5 years. It will all have to be rolled over at the new higher rates. Though undoubtedly at least some of that will be 30 year treasuries from 1995-2000, so the interest will probably come down on those. But we are very heavy in short term… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 days ago

The trade deficit is tied to the Eurodollar system. The world needs dollars. The global financial and trade system can’t function without them. The only way to get those dollars is the US running a trade deficit, particularly in manufacturing.

But this destroys our manufacturing sector and put the US in deeper and deeper debt, which is why the system will blow up at some point. Trump and Bessent are trying to change the system now instead of waiting for it to crash.

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 days ago

I don’t disagree. I’m just pointing out that when you start mucking with a complex system, it has all kinds of secondary and tertiary effects, some anticipated, some not. I think Trump should not be doing this all at once with every country in the world. Our manufacturers cannot pick up overnight. It will take years to start a manufacturing economy. It took 50 years to get to this point and it cannot be undone in a year or 2. Just physically building a factory will take a year or more and that’s assuming everything goes well. Designing and building… Read more »

Arbeiter
Arbeiter
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 days ago

gold mine here in lower SE Oregon been 10 years trying to get past Oregon’s EPA “requirements”. Also, still waiting on that second bridge from Portland to Vancouver…

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 days ago

One of the costs of the outsourcing of industry was the loss of the skilled workforce associated with manufacturing. It will indeed take time to re-establish that workforce. The gov should re-orient its subsidies away from universities into trade schools that teach those skills. The Germans have always recognized this and have an established two-tier educational system: 𝘎𝘺𝘯𝘢𝘴𝘪𝘶𝘮 for the smarter kids going to a university and 𝘙𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘴𝘤𝘩𝘶𝘭𝘦 for those who will be tradesmen.

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 days ago

“Without a trade deficit, there will be nobody to buy the bonds.”

The people running up dollar surpluses don’t want to buy bonds anyway — they lose purchasing power. They exchange their dollars — what Michael Hudson calls “hot potato” dollars — for something else as fast as possible. US paper of any kind is a sucker bet. You have to lose.

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  Arshad Ali
3 days ago

Only this isn’t exactly true. There are many trillions of Dollar denominated contracts across the world. A lot of the world does business in Dollars. That’s not to say that there isn’t a lot of Dollar trade value (people exchanging Dollars for local currency for tax and other purposes).

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 days ago

The trillions of dollars are pyramided on the billions in real things.

Gold derivatives are hundreds of times the Worlds physical holdings.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 days ago

I saw $9.1 Trillion needing refinancing this year.
And that’s before China dumps their $900 B.
And before Trump passes his budget deficit.

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Hun
Hun
3 days ago

I suspect you may be a bit too optimistic here, Z.

Hokkoda
Member
2 days ago

My concern about that last paragraph is that this is an enormous number of people. And they were raised and educated in a system that trained them for the financialized economy you describe. And they took jobs in the only economy available to them. In short, they went where the money was, just like any rational being would. And those who resisted? Well, their factories were simply sent to Taiwan and the slave labor camps of China. Suddenly, 2-3 GENERATIONS of Americans who maybe dreamed of building ships, planes, and spacecraft were providing financial serves and making coffee or sitting… Read more »

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
3 days ago

Related: Judge Nap and his “Judging Freedom” show has been pushing 3 things for years now:

  1. End the Ukraine War
  2. Israel stuff
  3. BUY GOLD BUY GOLD BUY GOLD. It was sort of a punchline.

#3 was hyped as “economic uncertainty”. Really designed to scare old people. The odd thing is though….I think he scared them too much. I think he always knew it was a scam and he wants to do whatever he can to reinflate his own personal stock portfolio.

So no more gold ads. Very weird tell.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 days ago

I toyed with the idea of buying gold, but it is logistically impossible the way I see it, at least in large amounts. First of all, I don’t trust paper gold. The underlying gold is too easy to confiscate. Likewise, when it comes to gold being stored elsewhere. Like I trust them to not have sold my chunk of that gold three times over? Likewise, you can’t keep it in a safe deposit box, which banks are phasing out anyway. What about a safe at home? If everything goes tits up and we end up living in a Mad Max… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  TempoNick
3 days ago

Gold as survival currency seems laughable. What are you going to do, pay with gold bars at Costco? You’d run out pretty quick. It’s a store of value. Until FDR prevents you from selling it.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
3 days ago

Gold is a hedge/store of wealth—not an investment. If push comes to shove and economic disruption is severe, you’ll not fill up your gas tank with paper currency, but you may with a gold or silver coin. As far as who takes what in exchange for goods, there will always be middlemen who will take your gold, silver and whatnot and give you whatever medium of exchange is desired. Look to unstable countries like Argentina and Zimbabwe for current examples. Their paper currency was exchanged on the “Black market” for years in order for folk to hedge against their country’s… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
2 days ago

JZ-

There are gold alternatives to full up bars.

On eBay, it is not too hard to find gold rounds in 1/4 and 1/10 oz weights.

There are also Goldbacks with embedded foil strips of gold. The precise weight escapes me at the moment. Supposedly these instruments are accepted as legal tender in several states.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  TempoNick
3 days ago

If you can’t store your own physical gold, you can’t store your own paper currency. If you have either in the hands of another—in this case a bank or private repository—you don’t “own” it and you are subject to the precise problem you bought it for in the first place—confiscation or embezzlement.

Not knowing your personal situation, I could not advise further.

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  TempoNick
3 days ago

Back when gold was under 2k Dollars an ounce, a million dollars in gold would easily fit in a shoe box. Obviously there are some risks to storing gold yourself, but I don’t think it is that hard. Right now, 100k Dollars is just over 30oz. You could stick that under the carpets assuming you know how to kick the carpet back down. Put your entertainment center or sofa over that spot.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 days ago

That’s why people wear it as jewelry going through the airport.

Shortshanks Daley
Shortshanks Daley
Reply to  TempoNick
3 days ago

We have a very large home safe defended by firearms (yes, it’s true, they sometimes “just go off,” beware). But I’m reminded of our neighborhood friend, Jerry Ranalli. I once went in to Ranalli’s for the usual garbage salad, and to flirt with Baba, the Italian/Polish hybrid with desireable acoutrements, and was suprised to see a yuge hole in the wooden floor boards. Police tape surrounded the hole. Visible below in the basement was a bank safe and acetylene tank with torch. “Burglers” (widely apprehended as Jerry seeking insurance money for the “cash” supposedly stored in the safe) were said… Read more »

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  Shortshanks Daley
3 days ago

I’d wager there are more honest politicians in Springfield than Chicongo gangbangers who can run an o/a rig without getting the gooey kablooie treatment; no way they know what 1/7 of 40 is, never mind why they should know that.
Also, burning acetylene doesnt smell like anything if the o2 is on even a little bit, I call shenanigans.

Shortshanks Daley
Shortshanks Daley
Reply to  Good ol' Rebel
3 days ago

Somebody forgot to tell Jerry. I was not joking about the event. Needless to say, they were not serving my salad. It’s not just a story, it happened.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Good ol' Rebel
2 days ago

I was figuring the guy was smelling the coating on the safe being burned away. That stuff can smell truly nasty.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Shortshanks Daley
2 days ago

I met an old bird who had 16 pounds of gold at the time. He made regular stops at the currency exchange shops lining cities this side of the Canadian border. A $200 purchase or less meant no I.D. was required, and he had been doing it for years.

Can’t trade gold bars at Costco? Maybe not, but you can go to the coin galleries and buy all the coined metal currency you can handle in useful denominations.

(Hint: during Weimar one guy paid off his apartment house with one thin silver dime.)

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Shortshanks Daley
2 days ago

If things really go so bad that you need to protect that safe, it should hold your throw guns and petty cash. A few ounces of gold, maybe 10 pounds of silver, a small stack of benjamins so they can believe that’s your savings. A couple boxes of ammo, tops. Make sure it’s in a prominent enough place so the bad guys see it when (not if) they gain access to the place. That way, you can put up a little resistance to giving up the combination, then cave when (again, not if) they get ready to take bolt-cutters to… Read more »

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Arbeiter
Arbeiter
Reply to  TempoNick
3 days ago

Buy half ounce gold coins, paint them with black nail polish, cover them with matching fabric and sew them onto a cardigan sweater. When pressed for funds, pull off the bottom button and use nail polish remover. Travel light, Travel smart…

SemperDoctrina
3 days ago

A manufacturing renaissance would require a massive influx of new talent – – millions of people trained, motivated, and managed to do these newly-onshored jobs. And, most of these will be males. While jobs vulnerable to automation skew male – – the rise of generative AI disproportionately affects female-dominated roles. The days of the “Gen Z Boss and a Mini” might be numbered…

Battle of the Sexes (Tariffs)
Rebalancing the Economy
https://semperdoctrina.substack.com/p/battle-of-the-sexes-tariffs

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jpb
jpb
3 days ago

First by inflation, then by deflation, century after century we fleece the flock. The Bankster

FNC1A1
Member
3 days ago

Hooray