Another Point Of No Return

Thirty years ago, a Ryder rental truck full of explosives detonated in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. The blast killed 167 people and injured hundreds more. According to the official truth, the van was parked at the site by someone named Timothy McVeigh. While he did not act alone, he was the only person in the truck when it was parked at the site. A total of four people were arrested and charged with the deadliest domestic terrorist attack to date.

At the time of the attack, the public naturally assumed there were many people involved, as such a thing should require a lot of hands. There was also the assumption that foreigners were involved. By 1995, the United States had been dropping bombs on Muslims for at least a decade. It was not unreasonable to think that some of those Muslims decided to get some payback. According to the FBI, that was not the case at all and the whole thing was done by four people.

It turns out that this may not be entirely true. At the time, there were news stories claiming that two people exited the Ryder truck. Security cameras captured the parking of the thing and the blast. There was even a manhunt of sorts for the guy they named John Doe #2, but he was never found. Later, the FBI said there was never another guy and there was no video footage suggesting such a thing. The media, as they always do, took that to mean they should drop it.

It turns out that the FBI was lying. This long piece in The Federalist chronicles the long saga of trying to get that information from the government. Why the government would be hiding any information about a domestic crime that occurred thirty years ago is a question that can only have one answer. It is not as if there could be top-secret information in such a case. According to the story, the main reason the FBI is hiding this data is they were lying all along about John Doe #2.

At the time, it was not unreasonable for people to accept that the claims about another suspect were simply a mistake. After all, whenever a big event happens, there are all sorts of rumors circulating in the media. Most people at the time accepted that the media was biased and sloppy, but they trusted the FBI. Thirty years on and no one in their right mind trusts the FBI or the media. Decades of lies and many examples of framing innocent people will do that.

Just as important, we now have lots of examples where the FBI used informants or embedded agents to entrap people by tricking them into committing crimes or talking about committing crimes. Under Obama, the FBI helped sell weapons to the Mexican drug cartels, who used those weapons to kill Americans. Under Biden they tricked a bunch of dupes into the Whitmer kidnapping caper. Of course, the FBI tried to overturn the 2016 presidential election.

Considering what we know now, reasonable people are reasonable to wonder if there was not something similar happening with the Oklahoma bombing. The initial reports of a second man in the truck, then the denials and now the maximum effort to conceal evidence of the second man look a lot like how the government handled the Ray Epps situation after January 6th. Given the pattern, John Doe #2 was most likely an informant or an embedded agent.

Another curious thing about this case is that McVeigh was executed quickly, which does not happen in the United States. His trial started in April of 1997, and he was executed in June of 2001, the first federal execution in 38 years. Terry Nichols has been squirreled away in the prison system. The media makes no effort to reach him. Michael Fortier agreed to testify against McVeigh and Nichols in exchange for a reduced sentence and immunity for his wife. They both went into witness protection.

The behavior of the Feds in this case also looks like their behavior in the Enrique “Kiki” Camarena case in the 1980’s. He was a DEA agent who was allegedly kidnapped by the drug cartels, but was most likely assassinated by the CIA, because he learned about the drug running and arms shipment to the Contras. It turns out that the American government was helping the Mexican cartel ship cocaine into the United States in exchange for help funding the Contras.

Of course, what we are seeing with the Oklahoma City Bombing case fits the pattern going back generations. The government is still fighting to hide Kennedy material, despite orders to release it. The Epstein material should have been released long ago, but it will never be released, mostly out of spite. Anything damaging to the government was destroyed long ago. In case after case we see that the government prefers to conceal rather than disclose, as a matter of policy.

There is that other pattern at work here as well. That is where the FBI creates crimes so they can then use them to promote their brand to the American public and extract more cash and privileges from Congress. At this point, it seems like the only thing the FBI does is lure people into criminal conspiracies. There are 38,000 people employed by the FBI and most of them are probably on social media trying to bait people into going along with a plot that the FBI can then solve.

It is why people are right to assume that the reason the FBI is blocking the disclosure of information about John Doe #2 is that like so many of their capers, this is one that spiraled out of control. McVeigh and Nichols were willing dupes that the FBI was happy to manipulate, but they also turned out to be clever and willing to actually go through with the caper before the feds could put the brakes on it. That is the generous interpretation of events. It could be worse than that.

Given what has been revealed just in the last ten years, the political class should be united in their desire to disband the FBI. There is no appetite for even mild reforms, as we see happening now. Trump put Kash Patel in charge, not because he will change the agency, but simply to prevent them from launching another coup against him like they did the first time. Trump’s “solution” to the FBI problem is to put thumbless idiots in charge of it.

Just as we saw last week with the financial markets in response to Trump’s very mild changes in tariff policy, the inability to address the problem with the secret police is another example of how it may be too late. The secret police were allowed to turn into this monster that is now bigger than its supposed master. Instead of the secret police serving the political class, the political class serves the secret police. This is another sign that we have blown past the point of no return.


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Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
9 hours ago

Merrick Garland coordinated the government’s prosecutions in the OK City cases. Most recently, as AG he coordinated the attacks on Trump and put the J6 protesters in the D.C. gulag. Harvard’s finest.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Jack Boniface
8 hours ago

Zionism’s finest.

Zorro, the lesser 'Z' Man
Zorro, the lesser 'Z' Man
Reply to  Jack Boniface
7 hours ago

The Pale of Settlement was a mistake.

Diversity Heretic
Member
9 hours ago

To attempt to answer Z-man’s question about whether it is too late: yes it is. The last chance for any meaningful fiscal reform (e.g., Social Security or Medicare) was during the Clinton Administration. Bill Clinton chose to use his political talent for self-indulgence rather than the hard work of reforming the entitlement programs. Insofar as the FBI and CIA are concerned, the last chance to reform the FBI was when J. Edgar Hoover died and L. Patrick Grey became FBI director. Mark Feld’s manipulation of Woodward and Bernstein to end Nixon’s presidency meant the FBI became unreformable. The CIA might… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
9 hours ago

Agreed. Demographically, culturally, economically, the Blob, you name it, the 1990s was when we still had a chance to avoid going over the cliff.

But that would have taken serious leadership from a true patriot like Buchanan. Instead, we got the biggest sleaze bag to ever hold office.

Arthur Metcalf
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
7 hours ago

Perot and Buchanan were unable to reach a consensus in the 1990s and consolidate their movements under one candidate or coalition. This was due to Perot’s personality and Buchanan’s own lack of personal wealth at the time (he needed to continue writing and appearing on television, rather than organizing a political party). Perot was impossible to work for and could not attract high-quality political staff (he didn’t want them anyway) and Buchanan wasn’t sure whether he was ever a serious candidate for president and actually wanted eight years in the job. He did not see himself as an historical personage… Read more »

Zulu Juliet
Zulu Juliet
Reply to  Arthur Metcalf
6 hours ago

Perot was a terrible candidate. I was set to work for his organization when he withdrew for some chickenshit personal reason. It was a complete betrayal of his people and killed whatever momentum he had. When he re-entered the race, he had lost his most fervent supporters. Dumb F#*&…

NoName
NoName
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
6 hours ago

Citizen of a Silly Country: “…that would have taken serious leadership from a true patriot like Buchanan. Instead, we got the biggest sleaze bag to ever hold office.

But his daughter & her j00ish husband are now worth $70 million, and the two [formerly] distinct bloodlines have been miscegenated into the grandchildren.

Mission Accomplished.

ray
ray
Reply to  NoName
4 hours ago

You can’t go for the gold and remain an effective warrior; loyalties and priorities will be divided. First sentence from Time Magazine’s 1996 profile on Pat: ‘THE TWO POLES OF SUPPORT holding up Pat Buchanan are polar opposites. Bay, sister, spitfire campaign chairman, is the prototype of the postfeminist woman. She works round the clock, rears three kids on her own, yet insists that she’s a traditionalist’ Christian man whose tent-pegs are women, not God. Campaign manager: ardent feminist sister who imagines — like all of them — that she’s a ‘traditionalist’. Heh. Yeah. Where is the daddy of sister’s… Read more »

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Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
8 hours ago

The minute he said “the era of Big Government” is over, the embroiled him in the Lewinsky thing. Just sayin’…

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Captain Willard
8 hours ago

Oh yeah. She was a honey trap. It wouldn’t suprise me if she had relatives at Mossad.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Alzaebo
8 hours ago

She’s definitely been taken care of since then

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 hours ago

Wander over to her Wiki page.
Early life/ancestry is the (((usual suspects))). What are the odds??

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
3 hours ago

With a name like Lewinsky? Better than even, for sure.

Maxda
Maxda
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
8 hours ago

W actually took a stab at Social Security reform. Every Republican in Congress ran away in terror. Then he said “screw it” and went on a neo-con spending and bombing spree.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Maxda
6 hours ago

Who among us, when blunted in some pet initiative, doesn’t go on a neo-con spending and bombing spree?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Maxda
6 hours ago

SSI is the easiest to “reform”—even now. The problem is that the first party to take a stab at it, gives the other party a “scare issue” by telling folk you’re gonna lose your benefits, or grandma will starve, etc. The issue then becomes a no win situation for either party to reform. In any event there’s little reason to do anything since by current law, the benefits take a haircut—across the board—by whatever shortfall percentage occurs after the “trust fund” runs out. Currently estimated at about 25% in 2030, but that changes frequently. If Trump was serious, he’d grab… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Compsci
5 hours ago

Truth. Though I suspect there’s enough and more if one just turned the dial on disability and minor survivor benefits down. I know of people who adopted only those who were getting those checks, and who kicked the kids out the door when they turned 18 and the checks stopped coming in.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Steve
3 hours ago

Bingo! That ‘s where SSI really became insolvent, the excessive extensions to survivors and disabled—without adjustment of the program. For example, I believe I read years ago that when Obama took office during the advent of the Great Recession, within a few years people on SSI disability doubled! Typical government BS.

(P.S. I’ve not confirmed the above. As my major prof used to say regarding math proofs, I leave such for the student…)

Nick Noltes Mugshot
Nick Noltes Mugshot
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
4 hours ago

I am so ashamed that I allowed my younger self to be brainwashed into bleeding red,white,and blue. The level of government corruption that I have finally been able to see as I have deprogrammed is just unbelievable. The evil in this country’s historical and current leadership has to be among the worst of any nation that ever existed.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Nick Noltes Mugshot
3 hours ago

Yep. I used to be Mr. Flag-Waving, Nuke-the-ragheads Republican Patriot.

Now I feel pretty stupid for that…

Hokkoda
Member
10 hours ago

While most of the government is going through at least some level of manpower reductions, contract cancelations, and other RIFs, which two are conspicuously not? FBI DOJ And I’ll throw CIA in there as a bonus. DoD has been limp d*ck about it, but even they are trimming at the edges. As fast as Trump moved early on, he got talked out of firing hundreds of thousands of probationary employees on Day 1. Since failing to do that, the permanent government had a chance to dig in for the long war in the courts. Frog marching FBI and DOJ officials… Read more »

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  thezman
7 hours ago

There is reason to believe that McVeigh was military intelligence, all the signs were there…Like Lee Harvey Oswald, whom we know for sure was MI and working with the CIA at times…We want to see evidence that McVeigh was actually executed, which seems unlikely….

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  pyrrhus
7 hours ago

What would have sounded crazy 25 years ago now sounds quite plausible.

Georgia
Georgia
Reply to  TempoNick
4 hours ago

There was literally an accident with the Hearse carrying McVeigh after the “execution” – it was discovered in the crash investigation that his body was NOT in the Hearse as it should have been – they covered this saying it was a “decoy” – what? So I doubt he was executed-also witnesses saw him move and eyes look around after he was “executed”- he was Military Intelligence used to shut down Militias in the USA- PatCon

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  thezman
7 hours ago

Yes, and we will be terrorized under the guise of “cracking down on anti-semitism.” They started with green card holders and are moving to naturalized citizens and will find a way to go after native born Americans of European descent who criticize the tribe a little too much. And if Trump’s administration doesn’t get us, then President Ocasio-Cortez will take the tools that Trump’s team developed and apply them to “racism” and “transphobia” and whatever, in the exact same way Obama took Dubya’s domestic GWOT strategy and unleashed it on White people.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Mycale
5 hours ago

Yes, and we will be terrorized under the guise of “cracking down on anti-semitism.””

Definitely. So I see no reason to give them any additional ammo to take out Zman. You may see the distinction between antizionism and antisemitism, but I guarantee you, they do not. And they are not amused. Nor are they particularly merciful or forgiving…

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Steve
4 hours ago

Once you stop talking about what the Jews are doing, that’s how they win. Everyone pissing their panties in fear of the government coming after them is exactly what they want.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Ploppy
3 hours ago

Enjoy the camps.

One could at least be white enough to not take Zman down with him. Z tends to use very oblique references, when he does so at all.

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Puszczyk
Puszczyk
Reply to  thezman
6 hours ago

This is not a an unreasonable approach. In a multi-ethnic empire internal security forces are the backbone of the public order. Even if FBI was to be abolished, something else would’ve to replace it and take over the Praetorian duties. One of the major features of post-communist transformation in Eastern Europe was the near-immunity of the state secret services to any institutional purges. Even if the names were abolished, most of the higher officers simply transitioned into the new intelligence/counter-intelligence/security apparatus. Personnel verifications were applied mostly to the members of the police and internal security members with proven criminal acts… Read more »

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Puszczyk
5 hours ago

The East German apparatchiks bothered with pardons, but otherwise, yes, this is exactly what happened. Merkel at a minimum was a Stasi informant, as an example.

Puszczyk
Puszczyk
Reply to  Jack Dodson
2 hours ago

East Germany dissolved and was essentially incorporated into the West. Unlike in other Warsaw Pact republics, the security apparatus was in no way indispensable for the new regime that came with its own institutions handling those matters (BfV and BND). Joachim Gauck didn’t need to watch his back when penetrating the Stasi archives. I don’t consider Angela Merkel to be particularly affected by her past unless there was an ex-KGB blackmail we don’t know about, that could’ve shaped her policy. What we DO know however, is that the Bundesrepublik regime has no qualms about hiring ex-Stasi workers like Anetta Kahane… Read more »

Geo. Orwell
Geo. Orwell
Reply to  Hokkoda
9 hours ago

Bondi seems to be emblematic of Trump’s choices. Too many feckless girlbosses. She means well but is out of her depth. For example she could fire on her own authority James Comey’s daughter Maurene Comey, working for the SDNY. Comey is neck deep in the Epstein case coverup. After Bondi stepped on a rake mishandling the “release” of documents, she needed to rectify her mess. She’s done nothing significant to punish those stonewalling her. Outside of USAID it looks like most of the Swamp has little to fear.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Geo. Orwell
9 hours ago

In Feb, Trump issued an EO to terminate all US attorneys appointed during the Biden admin. But as far as I can tell Maurene is still there. What does that tell you

Arthur Metcalf
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
8 hours ago

He fired the 94 US attorneys representing each district of the federal system. These are Senate-level appointments. He couldn’t fire the assistant US staff attorneys in each of those 94 districts named by Biden (and Obama, they’re still there) without firing thousands of attorneys, among whom Comey is one. I mean, he could, but it would’ve frozen federal district court activity for a year, maybe more. It would effectively be killing it. Given the critical importance of the work done by those offices on actual criminal matters (rather than politically-charged ones), such a move would be unthinkable. The legal system… Read more »

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Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Arthur Metcalf
8 hours ago

 The legal system would collapse.

…which is an argument for it.

Arthur Metcalf
Member
Reply to  Jack Dodson
7 hours ago

Lot of prisons would be opened that night and a lot of bad hombres would find their way to your neighborhood.

Line attorneys in US federal districts do a lot of heavy work on some really bad people. Do you have any idea the kind of shit that ordinary people get up to every day? Probably not. If it weren’t for these attorneys jailing them you’d be meeting them in your Dunkin Donuts once and that’s all. Thankless job, as the response to this comment indicates.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Arthur Metcalf
7 hours ago

The vast majority are state cases and there anyhow. I’ll take the trade-off of eliminating the federal system.

miforest
miforest
Reply to  Arthur Metcalf
7 hours ago

BULLSHIT. its federal court, at worst tx cheats and people who failed to fiel form ASEWDTR-fu12398-HY-r6549-7 with EPA before digging an outdoor barbacue pit would be unleashed on civiliization.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  miforest
5 hours ago

Those are not federal actions. Since the Administrative Procedures Act (1947?) the agencies themselves get first crack at violations of agency regulations, using judges hired by the agency itself, clearly a conflict of interest.

That bankrupts most people, so they never get their chance on either an Article III court or even a district court created under Article I powers.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Steve
5 hours ago

Yes. And executioner was added to judge and jury once the individual agencies got SWAT teams who were at the disposal of the administrative courts. If I recall correctly, even the USDA has a SWAT team. EPA certainly does.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Jack Dodson
3 hours ago

Heck, Department of Education has one.

Georgia
Georgia
Reply to  Arthur Metcalf
4 hours ago

Great News! The Federal District Court system is a joke – no one gets a fair trial under the “forced to plea/tons of charges” method and many “judges” now are Leftist Activist Lunatics or otherwise Loons – let it collapse!

ray
ray
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
7 hours ago

It’s a club and we ain’t in it?

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
7 hours ago

It tells me that “You are watching a movie.” A lot of this stuff is Kabuki.

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  Geo. Orwell
9 hours ago

The entire thing has been a joke that anyone with a room temp IQ saw coming. Nothing gets released that would implicate anyone in government. They would never allow the rubes to see that. Also, for all of her tough talk Bondi has been emblematic of the left wing girl boss type who can accomplish nothing. No one of significance has been arrested or punished in any way. Nothing has really changed much. Even the DEI crap that has been normalized has gone unchanged. It’s still alive and well in the private sector and in the public sector it is… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Tired Citizen
8 hours ago

Even the DEI crap that has been normalized has gone unchanged. It’s still alive and well in the private sector…”

I’m still scratching my head about this one. The boards have a fiduciary duty to the stockholders to maximize value, i.e., not piss money away on worthless DIE crap. So where are the class action suits? Normally at least a few ambulance chasers could be trusted to skim their share. Why not this time?

ray
ray
Reply to  Steve
7 hours ago

It’d mean attacking collective female power. So DEI — which is just a subset of feminism — remains firmly in place. Wasn’t even shaken.

Women don’t want DEI destroyed and men aren’t up to it.

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Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  ray
5 hours ago

Fucking men aren’t even up to the task of telling their wives no so how do expect them to destroy DIE even if it’s killing them and their future progeny…

ray
ray
Reply to  Lineman
3 hours ago

Yoop.

And the monster has grown so great and so bold, the State will punish men for telling females ‘no’. One accusation is all it takes. Everybody knows it, nobody talks about it.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Steve
7 hours ago

When an obvious market gap goes unfilled, or a seemingly necessary function is left undone, that means it’s forbidden in some non-obvious way.

“The bar”—in the old sense: the profession—decides what lawyers can and can’t do. We’ve seen many punished for representing Republican defendants, fired for arguing from the Constitution, disbarred for being “Trump lawyers,” etc.

It’s the law (actual).

More broadly, no American institution is anti-“DEI.” Some of them should be, right? Most, if they were representative/market entities. But they’re not. None.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Hemid
3 hours ago

True. The bar itself is the problem. They are the ones who are going after John Eastman for offering an opinion to and defending a client. The bar used to (and still does) defend nogs and head-choppers caught on friggin’ camera raping and murdering, but someone who disagrees with the “revealed wisdom” of Lefthood, is anathema…

Feminist? Meh. Doesn’t explain the head-choppers or the dots, does it?

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NoName
NoName
Reply to  Steve
6 hours ago

Steve: “Normally at least a few ambulance chasers could be trusted to skim their share. Why not this time?” It’s the Hive Mind of Passive Aggressive Personality Disorder; what Z calls, “Managerialism”. The Passive Aggressives, the Mangerialists, must always be correct about everything; otherwise the bloom is off the rose, and no one will respect the Hive Mind anymore; the suspension of disbelief will be sullied and thereby destroyed; the Hive Mind will become a laughing stock, it will quickly perish, and a new Hive Mind, Version 2.0, will arise to begin replacing it]. There can be no cracks in… Read more »

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ray
ray
Reply to  Tired Citizen
7 hours ago

The Left put their enemies in jail and terrorized the other ones. Viciously controlled the media, schools, courts, intel agencies.

The Right? Makes a big deal of USAID and an empty JFK-release by their Blonde Girlboss trophy. No butts in jail. No D.C. criminals runnin’ and hidin’. Nobody on the Beltway really worried except some lackeys.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  Tired Citizen
7 hours ago

Bondi is a crook…Big mistake by Trump, whose judgment about AG’s has been horrible in both terms…

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  pyrrhus
5 hours ago

It wasn’t a mistake nothing is when you get to that level…He’s just a puppet following orders…

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  pyrrhus
2 hours ago

Bondi is easy on the eyes…Trump has a knack for such people. Yeah, I know she’s old, but Trump is old too.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Compsci
1 hour ago

A nookie knack, one might say…

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Compsci
50 minutes ago

And, let’s be honest. Would you rather watch a press conference with Bondi or at Merrick or Bill Barr or Janet Reno?

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karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Geo. Orwell
8 hours ago

by my reckoning trump is 0 – 3 in AG picks, and if that isn’t an indictment on his judgement then nothing is.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  karl von hungus
8 hours ago

It’s either about his judgment, or it’s an indicator of leverage (over him)

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
8 hours ago

Yes. I’ll reup what I wrote yesterday: Trump probably had to agree not to prosecute police state criminals to get the support of the oligarchs who bankrolled his campaign.

miforest
miforest
Reply to  Jack Dodson
6 hours ago

We have a winner!

NoName
NoName
Reply to  Jack Dodson
6 hours ago

That would be because the Oligarchs are the Ne Plus Ultra police state criminals.


pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  karl von hungus
7 hours ago

Yes, when I was practicing law in Chicago, I could throw a brick out the window and hit lawyers twice as good as anyone Trump has selected, or used for his personal work, like Cohen…

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  karl von hungus
7 hours ago

He loves cops. Every “New York guy” I’ve ever known does, even the ones who’ve been screwed by the cops a hundred times. They never learn.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  Geo. Orwell
7 hours ago

McVeigh suborned perjury in the Zimmerman case in Florida…She’s a swamp creature, and can’t be trusted….

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  pyrrhus
7 hours ago

Sorry….Bondi, not McVeigh…

Geoff
Geoff
Reply to  Hokkoda
9 hours ago

I used this metaphor as a throwaway elsewhere, but the more I thought about it, it makes good sense. Trump 2.0 is like the football coach who used the prep time leading up to the big game to come up with a really dynamite set of scripted plays for the first couple of drives, and found themselves up a couple of scores while the other team was on its heels. But now they’ve reached the end of the scripted plays and are just floundering about having to make calls in real time because they don’t really know what they are… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Geoff
9 hours ago

If Trump hadn’t had those Project 2025 folks to script the first month for him, he’d have started looking feckless a lot sooner. Right now it’s looking an awful lot like his first administration.

Geoff
Geoff
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
6 hours ago

Yep. I don’t really expect much more from Trump 2.0 at this point unless he radically changes the people around him, but even then, his picks on advisors have been pretty middling across now 2 administrations.

ray
ray
Reply to  Geoff
7 hours ago

Funny, I also had Biondi pegged as one of Team Blond at FOX News. The lineup that keeps cuckservative men satisfied and in place. Give ’em credit, they know their sheeple.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Geoff
7 hours ago

Bondi should work for Fox News, since she spends an inordinate amount of time on their programs. She should get back to her desk, with those Epstein files sitting on it.

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  Geoff
7 hours ago

I know this sounds like “if only the tsar knew” (which is anti-Russian propaganda but bear with me), but Trump once again is not going with his instincts. His instincts on tariffs are correct, but he’s listening to bad people who are giving him contradictory advice. And, needless to say, he is listening to the Zionists who are telling him to focus less on illegal immigration and more on people protesting Israel’s genocide in Gaza. This is insane and burning up all his political capital with everyone outside of 65 year old Hannity watchers. .

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Geoff
Geoff
Reply to  Mycale
6 hours ago

At some point the responsibility is on Trump if he continues to choose poor counselors. But the guy has built up such a huge cult of personality that it’s hard to imagine he gets any signal beyond the “OMG 4D chessmaster” red hat bullshit.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Hokkoda
9 hours ago

“Perestroika” (“restructuring” of the economic and political system) didn’t work in the USSR and it won’t work here for the same reasons.

A staggering percentage of the Soviet population was plugged into and directly/indirectly skimming off the top. Coupled with a leadership that looked like a hospice ward for ancient people.

Economic reform: impossible. Secure elections: impossible. State police forces: barely contained but plotting their comeback.

MysteriousOrca
MysteriousOrca
8 hours ago

From a post on /pol: Terrance Yeakey was a Sergeant with the Oklahoma City police force. He was the first officer on the scene on April 19, 1995, when multiple explosions tore the north face off of the Alfred P. Murrah building, killing 149 adults and 19 children. Sergeant Yeakey dug through the rubble for hours that day, saving the lives of 8 people. Over the course of the rescue operations however, he saw things which troubled him. Things like undetonated bars of C4 attached to support beams and evidence that a large bomb had detonated directly underneath the children’s… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  MysteriousOrca
8 hours ago

Even wikipedia talks about the shady nature of his “suicide.”

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
5 hours ago

Never consider Wiki as authoritative wrt controversial subjects of a political nature. It is perhaps less authoritative than the opinions posted in the commentary here.

MysteriousOrca
MysteriousOrca
Reply to  Compsci
3 hours ago

I agree – Wikipedia is like Reddit in that both have tons of useful information on them – *except* for anything relevant to modern political power and conflict, for which they are bizarrely slanted.

I think that Jeffrey Zoars point however is that he agrees with you – he was saying that, if even Wikipedia, as corrupted as it is, admits that Yeakey’s death was suspicious, then that shows how unbelievable a suicide designation for him is.

ray
ray
Reply to  MysteriousOrca
7 hours ago

A bomb in a car in front of a highrise blew a side of the building off? I am no expert but this makes little sense.

zfan
zfan
Reply to  ray
5 hours ago

I think it worked on the US Embassy in Beirut https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/1983-united-states-embassy-bombing

zfan
zfan
Reply to  zfan
5 hours ago

In the eighties I worked in a building that was described in an Italian news magazine as a CIA facility (It wasn’t, we were a different three letter agency). That was something that definitely caught my eye, along with the seminude advertisements. With no visible security and outside the facility’s perimeter, truck bombs were suddenly something I thought about when arriving at work.

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Georgia
Georgia
Reply to  zfan
4 hours ago

The head of Ordinance (Bomb Making) for the Air Force – a General – stated it didn’t work that way and the Building obviously “blew out” not in from the bombs in it not from he Truck – you can easily google and find his report still – he wasn’t kidding – just as Yeakey stated who found himself tortured to death in a “Suicide”

MysteriousOrca
MysteriousOrca
Reply to  Georgia
3 hours ago

General Benton K. Partin was that ordinance guy’s name

Georgia
Georgia
Reply to  MysteriousOrca
4 hours ago

OKC is where AG Garland made his bones for the Clintons covering it all up for them, it was an op against the conservative Militia movement that was catching fire, people forget about that, they meant to close it down with the Intel Asset McVeigh et al – Yeakey said it was the FEDS that were tailing him and threatening him – they tortured him to death

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
10 hours ago

has the US govt ever told the truth about anything? USS Liberty, JFK, Mena, Iran Contra, Pentagon Papers, etc etc etc. to me this is an unsolvable problem as it is rooted in human nature and group dynamics. is it better at the state level (honest question)? if so, maybe the answer is to disband all federal agencies not enumerated in the constitution, and let them reform at the state level. imagine sending your sons off to fight and die for such a mendacious and unworthy system.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  karl von hungus
9 hours ago

As I was theorizing the other day re: the Boeing Starliner cover up, that is, why couldn’t they just say it was broke on day 1, instead of spending 9 months lying about it and then admitting it after the astronauts returned (and having that buried in the busy news cycle)…. I believe it’s because they are in a “business” (MICOM/intel, of which Boeing/NASA is a part) in which lying is frequently legitimately required, and after a long period of time of such lying, they kind of forget how to tell the truth. After so much lying, eventually lying becomes… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
8 hours ago

the word you are looking for is “pathalogical”

demotic
demotic
Reply to  karl von hungus
8 hours ago

Or upper middle class.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
8 hours ago

I have a two relatives who were in Intelligence, one military, one Federal; the military one is a stalwart Christian churchgoer, and could not talk without telling a lie for decades. (The Federal one was just a snake.) Something they did to his head messed that boy up. The CIA guy on youtube said they look for someone with trauma in their childhood; that person is hungry for external validation, and suspicious of other people. Once they find a someone or an institution that accepts and validates them, that institution becomes the sole authority from whom they will accept direction… Read more »

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karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Alzaebo
7 hours ago

ever see the movie Parallax View?

NoName
NoName
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
6 hours ago

Jeffrey Zoar: after a long period of time of such lying, they kind of forget how to tell the truth

Mendacity is genetic; it is determined at conception by the particular spermatozoon which mates with the particular ovum.

There’s nothing you can do about it, short of sending the liars to the gallows [or spaying/castrating them so that they cannot reproduce].

BTW, apparently (((Albert Bourla)))’s recipe for culling the herd depends upon a slow multi-generational genetic destruction of the gonads [particularly the ovaries].

RealityRules
RealityRules
9 hours ago

The Kash Patel directorship is past the point of no return evidence in a second sense. It is widely known that Garfinkle and his boys at the FBI were embedding in churches and information gathering and even persecuting Regime apostates. The right thing to do in a reform that should also be seeking to preserve/reform a Christian nation, would be to put a Christian in charge. It should be a Christian whose church was directly targeted. That Christian should then immediately call Garfinkle and his agency up for a non-show trial. What did they do instead? They installed a, “new… Read more »

Ride-By Shooter
Ride-By Shooter
Reply to  RealityRules
8 hours ago

“The right thing to do in a reform…would be to put a Christian in charge.”

A few days from now, the Son of Man who had no human father will be hanging out on his cross. (Latinos love to reenact this. It’s considered a great honor to be the one, I hear.) He’ll be hanging and in a bad way. Then he’ll cry out in despair, “OMG, why have you [who is one in being with me] abandoned me?!”

Assisted suicide is forever, or until rebirth, presumably in a lower state than during the life which ended with self-murder.

miforest
miforest
Reply to  Ride-By Shooter
5 hours ago

taking the communion wine early I see.

ray
ray
Reply to  RealityRules
7 hours ago

‘The right thing to do in a reform that should also be seeking to preserve/reform a Christian nation, would be to put a Christian in charge.’

Yep. A fire-breathing, God-fearing badass who wreaks vengeance on the wicked, like Jehu revived.

But no. Instead we get Policeman Patel, first name Cash.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  ray
5 hours ago

This is typical of Indians (with a dot). “Cash” Patel’s full given name is Kashyap Pramod Patel. When I say typical, I speak from experience with the people. Indian names are impossible for typical Anglos to pronounce. We butcher them without experience in the language. Hell, any foreign language. 😉 Indians I’ve encountered don’t get upset, they simply change their name slightly to something Anglos can pronounce and happily use them. Call it a nickname if you will. They honor their parents and their tradition by retaining their given name, but use the bastardized version in the USA. Not entirely… Read more »

ray
ray
Reply to  Compsci
3 hours ago

‘This is typical of Indians (with a dot). “Cash” Patel’s full given name is Kashyap Pramod Patel’

Oh ok, yeah, now I see. The pore mispronounced scamps! But I see now where I went wrong.

It’s Cash Yap. He don’t just rake in the Cash, he Yaps meantimes. Hasty me, I forgot the Yap part. Which clearly makes more sense than the other. Thanks!

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3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Compsci
2 hours ago

Ellis Island did not ‘issue’ monikers. They wrote down what they heard as best they could, and transcribed what was written by the boat agents at the departure (i.e. non USA) point. Some people chose to change their names at that point, but it is yet another lie that refuses to die that US immigration agents blithely changed immigrants’ names.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  3g4me
1 hour ago

Dunno about Ellis Island, but my ancestors had the “Gj” trimmed from the start of their name. Dropped to just “J”. A friend’s ancestors had “Gafkjen” changed to “Guffien”, which I know was Ellis, and I know was that’s because of how it was pronounced. I also have a friend with similar spelling where it was retained. Again, through Ellis.

My conclusion: some immigration officials were less that scrupulous in preserving the original spelling.

Which should hardly be surprising, nor anything at which to take offense.

ray
ray
Reply to  3g4me
21 minutes ago

Little known fact, but Ellis Island agents also handed out smallpox-infected blankets. Yep.

I heard this story from Buffy Sainte-Marie. Talking about her people. :O)

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  RealityRules
7 hours ago

Unfortunately, being a Christian is no guarantee of anything. Many Christians in this country are Christian Zionists, a species of Israel-worshiping, warmongering monsters.

Puszczyk
Puszczyk
Reply to  RealityRules
7 hours ago

It appears that the imperial ruling class is getting diversified with Indians. Given their increasing political presence across the entire Anglopshere, this is going to have a major impact on the future of global politics.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Puszczyk
5 hours ago

Yes. Steinlighter proposed the alliance in 2001 as a way to build a coalition that, since he didn’t mention ethnic Europeans, excludes us. The Empire probably didn’t care since it salivates at a market of 1.4 billion and takes them in as a part of the horsetrading empires do to “win” in geo-political games. Align with us against the Soviets! Why? Well, we’ll give away our hotel industry and our gas station industry. Here take these subsidies and grants designed for the negro and give them to a colonizer class. Now we are here. It is one more set of… Read more »

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  RealityRules
5 hours ago

Anyone who seriously thought it was a good idea to appoint a Subcon to head the FBI was a rank idiot. Patel probably is working on a way to embezzle civil forfeiture money at this point. And, yes, the ADL is a foreign asset and represents a group that openly bribes members of Congress, and using it as any type of moral template is ludicrous, which means it probably has a great relationship with ol’ Kash. I’ll go one step further: Patel and Co. probably are more likely to arrest dissidents than was Garland/Garfinkel, who wanted to turn the USA… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Jack Dodson
2 hours ago

When everyone else was gushing over the beginnings of the Trump 2.0 administration and all I could find online was gayway panagyrics to Kash Patel, I couldn’t help but shudder everytime I looked at that dark visage (and always, ALWAYS, with a White blonde woman) and said that ‘represents’ ‘murika first.’

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  3g4me
57 minutes ago

The Numurkin Dream: an Escalade in every driveway and a blonde in every bed.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
47 minutes ago

Woo, hoo! I have arrived!

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  RealityRules
5 hours ago

Until people understand the need of Tribe(probably be too late by the time they do) nothing will change or get better…

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Lineman
3 hours ago

I have faith it won’t be too late. We have to understand that the betrayal we have undergone is probably without precedent. If 30% make it that is a good number. That is my prediction. Then another 15% or so will come late but they will come. The early birds will have to decide if the gates are opened and to whom. We must not despair. We must see that a good number will remain and forged by necessity rise again to greatness. I wholly believe that will happen. Will it be the what it once was. At a smaller… Read more »

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
10 hours ago

Everything is probabilistic…and tail risk is getting “fatter”. McVeigh’s unwillingness to defend himself always struck me as odd, unless there was a threat out there to do something far worse to his family. The blob is embedded and the whole USAID fiasco demonstrated (to my surprise) just how big and complex a self licking ice cream cone they’d managed to construct. Soon Patel and Bongino may be lauding “the good and dedicated FBI agents” they’ve found out in the field. Love or hate Musk, he has a decent track record of “seeing the future” and he thinks this fight is… Read more »

Geo. Orwell
Geo. Orwell
Reply to  SamlAdams
9 hours ago

‘Soon Patel and Bongino may be lauding “the good and dedicated FBI agents” they’ve found out in the field.’

That’s when we will know it’s back to business as usual. Reform is beyond reach.

Winter
Winter
Reply to  SamlAdams
9 hours ago

And then there are people who swear that McVeigh “moved” after he was executed. I can’t recall the specifics, but there was a strong suspicion that the execution was a sham. (No doubt this has been scrubbed from the internet.) And look at Epstein. Was that really his corpse that they wheeled out for everyone to see? Call me skeptical, but would any of us be surprised to discover that he’s living it up in a foreign country? These people lie about everything — and then vilify anyone who questions it.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Winter
9 hours ago

Do they say he actually “moved,” or just maybe “twitched”?

Winter
Winter
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
7 hours ago

I’m recalling that they said “moved.” But I could be wrong. Under normal conditions, twitching seems more likely…and less suspicious. But of course, I’m no expert.

roo_ster
Member
Reply to  Winter
8 hours ago

They are both dead, even if promised some ridiculous fake-death and a flight to some island in the south pacific. “Yeah, sure Tim, we’ll just shoot you up with ringer’s lactate and you can lie still.”

Steve
Steve
Reply to  roo_ster
8 hours ago

This. I always thought the McVeigh stuff was a little too convenient. Militias turning him away because they thought he was a plant. I figured he was just given a sedative and put into witness protection. Then a month later or so, I realize those… things would have no qualms about silencing their own asset permanently.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Steve
5 hours ago

Yea unless he was one of the tribe and then he might be given a new life that is if he wasn’t trying to blackmail them somehow…

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Winter
7 hours ago

Ain’t nobody gonna change my mind. I was parked on some shoulder on the I-40, and watched the original 5 pm news broadcast that showed a team carrying out what they reported was a bomb, on a stretcher. The reporter said they believed four more were in the parking garage underneath, strapped to pillars. That broadcast and clip was never repeated, and is scrubbed as far as I know from all media. (I was watching on a tiny battery-powered b&w TV.) One close relative was a state medical provider living not too far away, and on one of the response… Read more »

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Georgia
Georgia
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 hours ago

This^^^ an Air Force General in charge of bomb making did a thorough review – wrote a report – no way it happened the way they said – he found the Building blew out and multiple bombs – you can still find it online – Terrence Yeakey the cop they tortured to death saw all the unexploded bombs etc. inside – they threatened him but he wouldn’t shut up so….

Georgia
Georgia
Reply to  Winter
3 hours ago

That was reported along eye movement – i.e. he was still alive long after he was “executed” it was “death twitch” type stuff…. The best part is though that the Hearse carrying his body to be buried after the “execution” got in a crash – it was found there was NO body in it, nada, no McVeigh – LOL – then it was quickly stated when this came out somehow that the Hearse was a “decoy” Hearse – all this was quickly buried soon thereafter and never mentioned again- and it’s hard to find now but it 100% happened. McVeigh… Read more »

Templar
Templar
Reply to  SamlAdams
1 hour ago

Love or hate Musk, he has a decent track record of “seeing the future” and he thinks this fight is existential. I expect we’ll be in for an interesting summer. Prepare.

I have to imagine that Trump, too, is dug in for a long fight. He can’t have any illusions at this point that the blob won’t utterly destroy him and his family if he doesn’t destroy it first.

Arthur Metcalf
Member
8 hours ago

What a change in worlds. A point of no return, indeed. I was interviewing for a job at a top liberal university’s international relations school on the East Coast that day. Hundreds of people, many of them former top government officials, in several large connected buildings. There was a television showing the news coverage in the dining hall to maybe 80, 90 people at a time, watching in silence. No police presence, no sudden “emergency alerts” over the PA, no “beefed-up security out of an abundance of caution” — people sat stunned, or crying, or whispering, some of them leaving… Read more »

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Ride-By Shooter
Ride-By Shooter
Reply to  Arthur Metcalf
8 hours ago

I hope that you’re figuring out how to get the benefits of the lease for your home while laying the liability and burden on those three witches.

Arthur Metcalf
Member
Reply to  Ride-By Shooter
7 hours ago

I wish. It’s a rental. Nothing to be gained there, unfortunately.

Thank you for remembering!

Xman
Xman
9 hours ago

The FBI has done some incredibly egregious shit, including entrapping clinically mentally ill people and conducting show trials for propaganda purposes. Couple of examples: in Upstate New York, they took a homeless street Negro who had a borderline retarded IQ, suicidal tendencies, and had been previously committed to a mental institution and convicted him for being an “ISIL terrorist” by encouraging him to stab people. He had no weapons and no money to buy one, so the FBI actually took him to Walmart, bought him a knife, and then arrested him. Hochul’s husband put him away for 20 years: FBI… Read more »

Tom K
Tom K
Reply to  Xman
7 hours ago

In addition to the certified crazies, they must celebrate with scotch and cigars when they find somebody like Thomas Crooks. There are committed fanatics by the shipload who will attend a rally or even an antifa riot, and then there are the Thomas Crookses.

ray
ray
Reply to  Xman
7 hours ago

I look at the dazed patsies the Effing Bee Eye trots out after mass school shootings, and I get them Old Oswald Blues.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Xman
7 hours ago

The guy who shot up the Muhammad art exhibition did it with his FBI handler standing behind him.

The sheer mass of public fedposting since the Luigi thing, cops trying to get right-wingers to worship him or one-up him out of envy, is overwhelming. Imagine what Discord is like. Or Signal.

Reality is very small right now.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Hemid
3 hours ago

Yeah. There’s a LOT of these cases. There was a moron in Schenectady some years back who, over a few pitchers of beer, said he was going to build a “death ray” like “Hiroshima on a light switch” and put it in the back of his truck. They labeled him a “Klansman” (LOL) and gave him 25 years for “attempting to create a weapon of mass destruction.” I’m convinced that the 18-year old retard who shot the Negroes in Buffalo was put up to it by the FBI. He apparently invited a “retired” agent to watch the shootings on livestream.… Read more »

TomC
TomC
9 hours ago

The klan bombing of the church in the 19602 that killed young black children is also suspicious as the fbi had an informant who was probably the bombmaker involved.

ray
ray
Reply to  TomC
7 hours ago

Chaos via repeated exposure to trauma — even secondhand — is a utile tool in the hands of a cryptocracy. A traumatized population asks for servitude.

usNthem
usNthem
9 hours ago

Yeah, if we never see actual well known government liars and traitors being tried and convicted, the fix is obviously in. If they’re worried about what the demoncraps and leftard media are going to say (as if that’d be any freaking surprise) about these things, we really are screwed. As one myself, I’m further sick of these old grey haired boomer goats chanting about their dammed social security, Medicare, being nice to illegal aliens, not rooting out government waste and fraud, etc, etc. Maybe when they’re all gone, s*** can actually get done…

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  usNthem
9 hours ago

as a tail-end boomer i have never had any affinity for my own cohort. and my feelings have only deepend and hardened since the coof hit. it was nice having lots of kids around while i was growing up, though.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  karl von hungus
8 hours ago

The difference between we tail-end Boomers and the early ones is stark.
A five- or eight-year gap and it’s like we were born in different eras.
Their viewpoints do not change.

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Brandon Laskow
Brandon Laskow
Reply to  Alzaebo
8 hours ago

It’s why I don’t buy the standard 1946-64 Boomer range. Strauss and Howe were more on track with 1943-60 but I like to keep it simple and say that Boomers were born in the 1940’s-50’s. Look at the list of performers at Woodstock, a majority of whom were born in the early 1940’s. Does it really make sense to consider them of the Silent Generation?

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Brandon Laskow
7 hours ago

The Pied Pipers of the 60s who launched the sex, drugs, and rock ‘n roll culture were nearly all pre-Boomer types, as were the pols who launched the Great Society, the civil rights revolution, the Vietnam War, and the other 60s abominations. What’s past is prologue and our present rot has much deeper roots than the Boomers.

ray
ray
Reply to  Dutchboy
3 hours ago

Yep. Boomers were in grade school when all the Civil Rights and Great Society legislation went down.

And if one traces the Pied Pipers in Greenwich Village or Laurel Canyon, one finds Silents and Greatests running the show.

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  Brandon Laskow
5 hours ago

Generations only make no sense when you’re trying to shoehorn your politics into the generations or playing horoscope with the generations.

Boomer is as indicative of a person’s views or personalities as Sagittarius or Gemini. It’s all retarded.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Alzaebo
8 hours ago

It often was more than a ten-year age differential, and it was very easy to see early on how contemptible the first cohort was. The people who marvel at the glory of ’68 are very different from those who were in elementary school at that time.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Alzaebo
6 hours ago

I’m a tail end boomer. I always identified more with Gen X.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  karl von hungus
8 hours ago

Same and same take, but in fairness what little resistance there was to the Covid tyranny came from a few Boomers. Familiarity, contempt.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Jack Dodson
3 hours ago

Yep, not many of us walking around without masks. Where I live, there were a few women maybe 40-ish, in addition, though it’s always hard to tell with women and their Clairol and Maybelliene, but definitely not a lot of the younger generations helping. In fact, most of them were gatekeeping.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Steve
2 hours ago

There are still young whites wearing the mask like a gang tattoo. Lost souls.

miforest
miforest
Reply to  karl von hungus
6 hours ago

the real boomers are born befor 1959 or 1960

PrimiPilus
PrimiPilus
Reply to  karl von hungus
5 hours ago

Amen!!!! I’ve felt this way at least since 1968. Early 2nd half cohort here.

Realized they were Rotten Monkeys in junior high … even the later ones.

Of course, I was reading Boy Scout manuals and American history books (especially ones that glorified WW11 heroes and heroism …. sigh…).

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  PrimiPilus
3 hours ago

Oh,yeah! My parents were both WWII vets.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  usNthem
9 hours ago

More pain is necessary for change. We will get Sulla or Caesar after a serious crisis. In this regard, Trump is a “radical Centrist”. Beyond the rhetoric, he is a guy still wedded to the System. I admire his courage, but he simply lacks the will to cross the Rubicon. Most of us here would, ahem, lack the restraint he has shown thus far had we endured what Trump has endured.

Arthur Metcalf
Member
Reply to  Captain Willard
7 hours ago

Did anyone hear the leaked audio between Musk and Trump from the Oval Office, in which Musk is despairing over Tesla and its future (as well as his own?). Trump has to talk him off the ledge by saying, “it’ll all be fine, it’ll all come out in the wash, as they say,” like an uncle taking a late-night call from his nephew and wanting to get off the line as soon as he can.

Definitely not the warriors we need.

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  Captain Willard
7 hours ago

yup this is spot on. trump looks like a tired old man. he was always part of the system and he needs the system. it made him a billionaire, bailed him out of bankrupcy, and gives him his brand.

LGC
LGC
Reply to  Captain Willard
5 hours ago

Trump is Alexander Kerensky The leader of the provisional government between the Czar and the Bolsheviks. Trying to work within the system while it was collapsing around him, unwilling to make the hard choices that would allow him to save the system (leaving the war)

Marko
Marko
9 hours ago

What’s up with the blackpilling all of a sudden? We got the best possible timeline: a bullet misses Trump, he chooses JD and Tulsi, hangs with Rogan and Elon, wins the popular vote, and is making the Democrats look completely out of touch and feckless. By the way, Israel is losing support among the rabble. I am not a MAGAtard, but what more could you reasonably want here? We might be a cursed country, but we are certainly NOT the UK or Canada, France or Germany, which are far, far deeper into the pit than we are. There is hope… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Marko
9 hours ago

because trump is reverting to the mean established in his first term. tons of announcements and precious little accomplished. for all the supposed DOGE savings, the budget for this year is unchanged. deporting a handful of miscreants trumpeted as a major accomplishment. unending whining about judges, but no push back. 0 arrests for major crimes by officials and politicians. and worst of all, the GOP is still absolutely useless and inactive. in short, nothing has changed; this is the J J Abrams version of Trump 1.0

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  karl von hungus
8 hours ago

DOGE was BS from the start. When they announced they were going to save 1 trillion dollars i knew it was BS. You know how? Because i could save 2 trillion just by reverting back to the budget at the end of 2019. A “pandemic” caused .gov spending to spike by 2 trillion, we have nothing to show for it except for many questionable “causalities” during covid and its been three years since covid ended. A commentor yesterday talked about confidence being the basis for economics, and i replied that its the basis for fraudulent economics. Look at covid, an… Read more »

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Mr. House
7 hours ago

Cost-cutting never was the ultimate goal of DOGE. The purpose was to eliminate a patronage system, and that has been largely successful. Even I am somewhat shocked by the inability to get astro-turfed protestors in the aftermath of the defunding. Whether that matters, of course, is another issue.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jack Dodson
5 hours ago

Good catch. USAID for example never was on most folks radar.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Jack Dodson
4 hours ago

I’m afraid eliminating the patronage system isn’t the ultimate goal either

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
2 hours ago

It is a large part. What is the primary goal?

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Mr. House
7 hours ago

Agree, but the economic “crisis” of 2020 was nothing of the kind. Other than for gov’t supremacists, I mean. Someone earlier commented that a bunch of people making a living and building real self-esteem through accomplishment, possibly seeing a better future in the offing for their kids doesn’t want or need an all-encompassing govt.

Gov’t supremacists must smash that, and make everyone dependent. That’s what covid was all about. Demoralization. Churches deemed non-essential, casinos, liquor stores, strip joints, tattoo parlors were essential. Heck, in Michigan, gardens were non-essential. It was all about destroying traditional values.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  karl von hungus
7 hours ago

tons of announcements and precious little accomplished.

What are you talking about? Outside of the fringes, trust in gov’t, particularly the courts has been stubbornly remaining high. Trump is making a mockery of the “impartial” judiciary, judges are having to double down on stupid, and, at long last, people are seeing it.

In 2020, heck, even as recently as early 2024, it was still widely thought the Deep State was just a conspiracy theory believed by a few kooks in tin-foil hats. Now…

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Steve
6 hours ago

You are correct. Even the Covid disaster has failed to fundamentally shake the faith of most people. We have elections, so we must have democracy and everyone knows that democracy creates the best possible political situation. So things must really be all right no matter how screwed up they appear to be. QED

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Dutchboy
5 hours ago

Most people are always “waiting for Superman”. It has always been and will always be.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  karl von hungus
6 hours ago

Now hol’ on, here’s a verbatim comment from a substack. Trump may be on to bigger game, that is, the Reset of the global economy first, which empowers the connected Deep States of the Western world. Related to yesterday’s, and a bonus- this is from a stack bitchslapping an old enemy, Nathan Cofnas. Whitepill, incoming: The UK, Canada and EU threw everything they had the U.S. markets since Trump announced Liberation Day for the U.S. on April 2, 2025. They drove down stocks, bonds, gold and silver. It failed. And it also flushed out all the usual suspects who have… Read more »

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Casimir
Casimir
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 hours ago

What kind of convoluted fan fiction is this? Imagine thinking Trump and his coterie of shysters is out here fighting market manipulation for the good of the little guy. Seriously, what planet are you living on? I am so sick of you jabronis who can’t live in reality, to the point where you have to push these ridiculous delusions about “HUGE WINS” and “Trump already won the tariff war” and insider knowledge that you cannot possibly obtain. “Why do you hate winning so much?” Because we’re not winning and this type of triumphalism is what puts people back to sleep… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Casimir
32 minutes ago

I’m not sold on the “big wins” either, but I accept that the alternative was “big losses”. Even not losing a whole lot of ground is “winning”, relatively speaking. Meanwhile, gold was, what, $1200 a decade ago? $120 for a 1/10th ounce coin? A month worth of Starbucks. Two-ish of cable. Maybe 3 of your cell. I get that Gen Z missed out, sure, but Millennials or X? They had the chance to almost triple their money in a friggin’ decade! Boomers only had that one, singular chance, too. Mostly you were doing pretty damn good if you could just… Read more »

Ride-By Shooter
Ride-By Shooter
Reply to  Marko
8 hours ago

“But let’s see who wins the 2028 election”

Yes, vote harder. Next time will be different.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Ride-By Shooter
7 hours ago

Fuck you, I’m aware of the meme. But don’t you think that if Trump or Vance wins in 2028, that means that at least the voting public prefers reform to catabasis? Your feelings of Democracy aside, how is that not a white pill and a reason for hope?

Otherwise, why are you in the game? I’ll black pill when all is lost, not before.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Marko
5 hours ago

If there is substantial reform to the election process, playing the game makes sense as a backstop. However, that remains to be seen in my State.

miforest
miforest
Reply to  Ride-By Shooter
5 hours ago

Are you kidding me ? you think this mess will last untill 2028 ?!?!?. it is falling fast and it doesn’t look like trump is anywhere near hard enough to stop it.

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
Reply to  Marko
8 hours ago

Our host is writing the truth and the truth can hurt.

Yes, he pointed out very serious truths yesterday and today. But we still have free will and knowing the path ahead is difficult allows us to make informed decisions.

Templar
Templar
Reply to  Mow Noname
1 hour ago

Our host is writing the truth and the truth can hurt.

He’s speculating about possible outcomes.

demotic
demotic
Reply to  Marko
8 hours ago

In terms of the transing stuff and demographic transformation the US is the pit.

Also violent crime…

Keep sniffing the Copium.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Marko
4 hours ago

A salubrious corrective to the doomsday narrative. Not that I entirely agree with you, but it is valuable to note a differing viewpoint.

Templar
Templar
Reply to  Marko
1 hour ago

What’s up with the blackpilling all of a sudden?

Most people have short time horizons, and fall into depression without constant dopamine hits from the news cycle to reassure them that they’re winning.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Templar
1 hour ago

Good insight! Hadn’t thought about it in those terms, but that is the difference in entrepreneurs, too. The number of men who are willing to break even or even lose over 2, 5, 7 years, maybe a decade are swamped by those who can’t or won’t live below their means until the next paycheck.

That’s all short time horizon, isn’t it?

Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
9 hours ago

The 95 OKC bombing revived Bill Clinton’s political fortunes. After Democrats lost the House for the time in 40 years, and Clinton being forced to admit in the SOTU that “the era of big government is over”, the national conversation instantly changed to shadowy militias and the Republicans who enabled them. It set the stage for the “Gingrich” government shutdown later that year, which was blamed on Congress despite the fact that it was Clinton who vetoed the budget. That, in turn, facilitated Clinton’s reelection the following year, defeating longtime Senate factotum Bob Dole. McVeigh did Clinton a solid. Just… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
8 hours ago

probably just coincidence. /sarcasm

Jannie
Jannie
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
7 hours ago

Hot on the heels of the Waco massacre, for which Clinton was taking a ton of political flak. Then – out of the blue – the OK City bombing, and now those evil militia are the true threat! Amazing timing. Like 9-11 happening not long after Wolfowitz’s Pearl Harbor speech to West Point.

Chris
Chris
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
28 minutes ago

During the post-debate analysis, they determined that Dole said, “I agree with the president.” almost 46% of the time, nearly half. There were a number of people interviewed after the final debate in a town hall forum who all pretty much said the same thing, “Dole agreed with Clinton so often, why is he even running?” I have the utmost respect for Dole’s service during WW II, but he was a lousy candidate and that accounted for a lot.

Gideon
Gideon
5 hours ago

For the various criminal organizations funded by the American taxpayer, either directly (DoD and the three-letter agencies) or indirectly (the Mossad, Pakistani ISI, etc.), failure isn’t a screw-up, it’s a business plan. Take the Afghan War, a 20-year effort in which neither the Russians, the Chinese, nor any other potential adversary were available to back America’s enemies. In other words, America had to fund both sides in that conflict. This was accomplished through its ally Pakistan or via “taxes” paid by local U.S. contractors. Given the circumstances, you’d suppose the U.S. would have been able to pull off at least… Read more »

My Comment
My Comment
9 hours ago

The system is really too far gone and entrenched to save/reform. It works too well for the people in it.

Yes, everything is a scam. Z’s post reminded me of one by Simplicus about the new German tanks. genuine technical marvels that are great at parades but not at war. But since the purpose of the tanks were to make money for the German blob and for politicians to talk tough, making them good at war would have just gotten in the way.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/bombshell-reports-german-weapons?utm_source=post-banner&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=posts-open-in-app&triedRedirect=true

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TomA
TomA
8 hours ago

Law enforcement in England has been aiding and abetting child grooming and rape for decades now. When the melee begins, we cannot hold back. And the easiest way to avoid Stasi entrapment is simple, secret, solo, and spontaneous. Everything solely within the confines of your cranium.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
9 hours ago

I am positive that awareness of this kind of thing is a lot larger than it used to be. Which has implications for the legitimacy of the system. Less fraud and more force, I guess. Granted, not everyone is as aware of the mendacity (which seems too kind a word for it) as we are. A lot of people remain stupidly and/or willfully oblivious. I try not to overestimate how much our dissident view is becoming predominant. But even recognizing that, awareness of regime lawlessness is still growing. And growing. I’m not so much wondering whether the Trump admin will… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
8 hours ago

you’re blind Magoo!

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
8 hours ago

Yes. But amazingly, the legitimacy of the system has declined in direct proportion to the increase in people’s need for help from it and its size/power. It’s one thing for independent people to challenge a small illegitimate government. It’s quite another for broke, helpless people to challenge a huge beast.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Captain Willard
8 hours ago

As the economy has shrank, and it has been for some time, we had a fork in the road. Pain and economic restructuring or the government prints more money and creates fake jobs. Which did we “decide” on? Its funny, as the legitimacy of the government declines, they make more and more people dependent on it as a first line of defense in my opinion.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
8 hours ago

Less fraud and more force, I guess.

That’s the case now. It may have tamped down some, but it will get worse due to necessity. The police state apparatus that runs things will increase in power until the Banana Empire implodes, whenever that it.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
9 hours ago

Praetorian guards rarely work out for those in charge. Thankfully, our Praetorian guards seem to too lazy or stupid to install their own leader. They just make sure that the president doesn’t bother them and stop them from their idiotic capers.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
9 hours ago

They tried with Harris but it was a half-assed effort

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Captain Willard
6 hours ago

If this was a market chart, they are achieving lower highs. Much, much lower highs.

Gideon
Gideon
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
8 hours ago

You forget how their guy missed Trump by less than an inch just before the Republican Convention when neocon Nicki Haley was the only one left in the race with a few delegates pledged to her and no JD Vance in the picture.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Gideon
7 hours ago

Followed immediately by a dot Indian heavy convention that felt like it was missing a script

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Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
6 hours ago

They did a bang up job getting Biden in there

JaG
JaG
8 hours ago

I always had a bit of contempt for the Chinese and their obsession about ‘face’. They would rather eat a mile of shite then admit they were wrong. I see this now with Federal Law Enforcement. It’s not out of pride however. Local PD, county sheriffs, state police, the Feds. None will admit guilt. It’s the Gretchen Whitmer defense. If I can’t see you, you cannot see me and therefore anything that happens in this mutual darkness cannot be held to account. If I do not admit guilt, therefore I am guiltless and am beyond reproach.

Jannie
Jannie
Reply to  JaG
7 hours ago

Yep – why we had no resignations over the 13 Marines who died at Kabul airport during the farcical withdrawal.

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
8 hours ago

Day two of our host’s Holy Week of Doom…

I struggle with my faith. I’ve lost family and friends. I see a future for my children and legions of unborn grandchildren which will be much, much harder than anything I have had to endure.

Yet, this is Holy Week (all Christians agree on that this year).

Our trials and tribulations are ephemeral. Our souls belong to a loving and just God and shall endure long past the flesh we are walking around in.

ray
ray
Reply to  Mow Noname
6 hours ago

What we do here determines the disposition of our spirits, eternal.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  ray
4 hours ago

Exactly. He goes ahead to prepare a place for you (speaking to His disciples/friends) and a mere few paragraphs later, tells them they are His friends if they do as He commands.

James gets it. Paul (or at least the writer of Hebrews), sometimes, sometimes not.

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Paintersforms
Paintersforms
8 hours ago

Alex Jones isn’t as crazy as he acts. Then again, if he acted seriously, he probably would’ve been dealt with a long time ago. Sometimes it’s good to play the clown. They’re allowed to break the taboo because you can laugh at them.

David Wright
Member
9 hours ago

Tucker’s latest interview with former congressman and 911 information guy Curt Wheldon is timely to this. Everyone should watch for more incisive examination and history of how effed we all are by the powerful lying and treasonous deep state we have.

I really don’t see a way out of this without the help of a friendly meteor visiting us.

Ride-By Shooter
Ride-By Shooter
Reply to  David Wright
8 hours ago

Tucker complains about symptoms of (i) human nature and (ii) an empire of lies established through lies and brutality. He’s a useful pressure relief valve. The way out begins mentally and emotionally by rejecting the USA entirely. Meanwhile learn to breathe through the nose, not the mouth like most of the Columbians, esp. the Caucasians and Slavs. Cultivate awareness of respiration. No meteor is needed, and no deity will help.

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MysteriousOrca
MysteriousOrca
Reply to  David Wright
8 hours ago

I saw in the comments that the Wheldon interview didn’t mention a possible Israeli role, so lost interest

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
8 hours ago

Given what has been revealed just in the last ten years, the political class should be united in their desire to disband the FBI. There is no appetite for even mild reforms, as we see happening now.  It isn’t a matter of “won’t.” It is a matter of “can’t.” It doesn’t matter whether the public face of the government wants to disband the FBI. The Help and Ho’s in Congress and the White House can’t dissolve the secret police. The US is run by a massive police state apparatus, and any attempt to change the situation will cause unmanageable resistance… Read more »

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Jack Dodson
6 hours ago

The pols are terrified of the security state apparatus, as they have been since J. Edgar Hoover was in charge of the FBI (and had dossiers on all of them).

Tars Tarkas
Member
7 hours ago

The FBI needs to be completely dismantled and every single employee, past or present, barred from working in any law enforcement agency or contractor anywhere in the country. Corruption is from people, not abstractions like “FBI” or some other agency. The examples we all know are not isolated incidents. If they were isolated, everyone would be afraid of exposing their willingness to do corrupt things to other agents. This kind of corruption can only exist in a culture of corruption where corruption is normal and not out of the ordinary. Any agency that would replace the FBI would have to… Read more »

Barnard
Barnard
8 hours ago

One of the more disturbing aspect of the Oklahoma City bombing is that some group in the FBI helped blow up a Federal office building. They killed fellow members of the blob and no one in the blob cared enough to blow the whistle on them? Murdering people they despise like Randy Weaver’s wife and the Waco group are bad enough, but this is incredibly diabolical. Even the mob had a code.

Vizzini
Member
9 hours ago

 It could be worse than that.

I’m pretty sure it is. Devon Stack, Blackpilled, did a deep dive into the Oklahoma City bombing a couple years back. Unfortunately I can’t remember the name of the video.

Melissa
Melissa
Reply to  Vizzini
8 hours ago

I think it was the “Pat Con” addition. It’s a good one.

Unfortunately, there is an issue with Odysee now. Odysee was superior to rumble because there were no ads. It also saved your spot.

Z, you should see if RamzPaul is open to using Entropy for donations. I think it’s pretty handy and doesn’t use ninja-geenies or lemons.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Vizzini
6 hours ago

He did a few long vids about the era. “Pat-Con” series. That was the broader op’s name. The whole ’90s militia thing was deeply fake.

Stack’s old-news vids are really good, but I never recommend them. Like him, I think we lost a long time ago. He gets off on it (and maybe that’s his job).

Arthur Metcalf
Member
8 hours ago

I would recommend Wendy Painting’s “Aberration in the Heartland of the Real” as the definitive work on McVeigh and OKC.

Gam Hyde
Gam Hyde
10 hours ago

Allegedly the medical files of servicemen who had been exposed to agent orange were stored in that building. There was a supposed whistleblower a few years ago who said he was approached by US Intel agents who asked him to do the attack but he refused.

Winter
Winter
Reply to  Gam Hyde
9 hours ago

…and documents related to gulf war syndrome, which might have been caused by the shots they forced servicemen to take beforehand.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Winter
7 hours ago

The “anthrax vaccine” side effects, for which one of the big pharma’s quickly obtained FDA authorization for Zoloft to treat the new syndrome called PTSD, also known as gulf war syndrome.

Hint: there are some 10,000 strains of anthrax, a common sheep disease, so no vaccination against them all is possible. The U of Iowa dual-use programs for pesticides and animal husbandry had reportedly been abused by two Iraqi female scientists nicknamed Doctor Doom and Doctor Death, in making chemical and biological WMD’s.

Gam Hyde
Gam Hyde
Reply to  Winter
2 hours ago

That may be what it was. In all these cases I would be shocked if it turned out that Intel agencies WEREN’T involved.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Gam Hyde
8 hours ago

The rumor i heard after 9/11 was that the Worldcom and Enron investigation documents were in building number 7, the one that fell without being hit by a plane.

Gam Hyde
Gam Hyde
Reply to  Mr. House
2 hours ago

It was also the day after Rumsfeld announced they couldn’t find a couple trillion dollars. It blows my mind that people believe all the bullshit these political creatures say.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Gam Hyde
1 hour ago

Right. And, of course, all those records were in the one room of the Pentagram that the “plane” struck…

Compsci
Compsci
6 hours ago

“Under Obama, the FBI helped sell weapons to the Mexican drug cartels, who used those weapons to kill Americans.” Minor quibble here, but it continues to come up regularly in my readings. Elaboration. Operation Fast and Furious was part of a broader ATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives) program called Project Gunrunner. Project Gunrunner began during the George W. Bush administration in 2006, aiming to stop illegal gun trafficking to Mexican cartels by tracing weapons back to buyers and suppliers. But Operation Fast and Furious, the most controversial part of that effort, was specifically launched under the Obama… Read more »

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
7 hours ago

As I recall, the actual targets of the OK City bomb (the BATF guys) just happened to be out of the office that day. I was puzzled at the time as to why anybody would set off a bomb in the daytime, with the place loaded with civilians. A night time bomb would have destroyed the building and the BATF offices with no or minimal civilian casualties. Once you read up on the actual details of the matter, you get the same fetid odor that the details of 9-11 create. The official story is BS.

Epaminondas
Member
8 hours ago

I have always maintained that the only solution to this is to go Attila on these people. Trump will have to declare martial law to get this done. And he will need the backing of a loyal brigade of marines inside the D.C. thunderdome. These rogue intelligence elements must be tracked down and eliminated. There is no easy way out. Trump is Julius Caesar at the crossroads.

RealityRules
RealityRules
7 hours ago

I see the comments about blackpilling. I don’t see it that way. I think we have to do what we can to push for and encourage reforms and to push harder when they are not far enough in our direction. That is really the best we can do in terms of the system, unless we have a huge number of insiders that we are not aware of. What is important is to be realistic and try to understand as best we can likely outcomes. In the end, Trump in there doing what he is doing is a far more positive… Read more »

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Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  RealityRules
5 hours ago

Yes, great comment. I do think the blackpilling over the pace of reforms, or feints that way, indicates why they usually lead to collapse or other throws or simply don’t work. By the time of attempts at reform, things have deteriorated so badly generally nothing can be done in a timely enough way. The accelerated looting indicates our tormentors think it is drawing to a close.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  RealityRules
4 hours ago

You’re welcome at my fire anytime Brother…

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Lineman
3 hours ago

Thank you. A spot with a rock at the circle inscribed with, “Lineman”, was just created for you.

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ray
ray
Reply to  RealityRules
3 hours ago

‘They just haven’t been near the bottom to have their world view shattered whereas we have’

Yes. This is a blind spot with Trump and the political elite. Few or none from the working class, and none who actually have been homeless, impoverished, etc.

It puts the bark on you or you don’t survive.

While those who rule over us live in whitewashed bubble-worlds. Ivy-League prep academies before taking vows to Harvard and Columbia. I can know Donald Trump, but he cannot know me.

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TempoNick
TempoNick
10 hours ago

I’ve never heard the word “thumbless” used before. You learn something every day. I’ll have to remember it for future internet banter.

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Alzaebo
Alzaebo
6 hours ago

I dunno about getting anybody to discover anything. 90s conservatives believed you could have racial equality and a low crime rate at the same time.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 hours ago

It was at least plausible. Crime, particularly among blacks, had been coming down over the decades. For whatever reason, NYC crime plummeted under Giuliani. It does not seem far-fetched that people respond to incentives, particularly since pretty much the entire animal kingdom does.

Where conservatism really screwed the pooch was in accepting that the reigning incentive structure by the mid 2000s (especially compassionate conservatism and magic dirt and magic negros) had anything to do with the earlier incentive structures.

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Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Steve
2 hours ago

Giuliani subscribed to the sociological theory of “broken window”. Basically, he enforced penalties for “minor” crimes such as “turnstile jumping” to avoid fares, public drinking, and he used stop and frisk” vigorously to get firearms off the street. This got those budding criminals into the system as quickly as possible, and when they were caught doing violent crime, their criminal history was such that it indicated incarceration rather than parole. It worked. Gang members took to leaving their guns at home due to random stop and frisk for example. Heck, when I was there during Giuliani’s tenure, you could go… Read more »

Tom K
Tom K
4 hours ago

When the OKC bombing happened I couldn’t believe that it was a govt. set-up. My cynicism was growing even then, yet I remained incredibly naive. But I still was not able to accept the wilder “conspiracy theories” about “what really happened.” Now I do accept those things. Or at least I accept the U.S. government is capable of such things. As far as believing that so many people could be complicit in such a horrendous act, there are ways the intel comm operates so as to limit understanding in such matters, to limit blowback and to repair damage to loyalty… Read more »

Macumazahn
Macumazahn
6 hours ago

The real disgrace here is the conviction and punishment of Michael Fortier on charges under 18 U.S. Code § 4 – Misprision of felony Fuck the Feds, I have no obligation to snitch.

Rented mule
Rented mule
7 hours ago

The sooner it craters the better. The FBI is just the corruption that’s obvious.
Most here will not see whatevers on the otherside. Every empire runs its course, this one as well.

ray
ray
8 hours ago

America has been cryptocratic at least since the JFK hit, and likely back to J. Edgar Hoover(men). Intel has stage-managed Hollywood and the media since forever. Careful study of John Kennedy’s archaic-style ritual assassination makes clear that the U.S. government is in the hands of intel operatives, not politicians. Skull-and-Bones (Bush Sr., Bush Jr., John Kerry etc.) WAS the CIA, back in the old days of Dulles Bros. Enterprises. Power at intel and Atlantic old money often intersect. Not unrelated, JFK promised to annihilate the CIA just before he abruptly departed the planet. That was the real coup, and the… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  ray
8 hours ago

You should get a load of the type of folks in Skull and Bones nowadays, who barring some disruptive cataclysm, will be running intel in the future. Kind of like what’s coming out of the law schools nowadays is the future of the federal bench/DOJ. And we think it’s bad now.

ray
ray
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
6 hours ago

I can imagine, but try not to.

Jannie
Jannie
Reply to  ray
7 hours ago

Never more obvious than in the 2020 Color (Black) Revolution.

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
9 hours ago

Government doesn’t get much help from the Gospels. Don’t resist evil. Don’t fret about tomorrow. Trust your Father in heaven. The truth will make you free. He who takes up the sword will die by the sword. This is not advice our own Caesars are apt to take. 

Jesus did exalt the publican, or tax collector, who prayed, “Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner.” Today’s publicans, of course, are called “public servants,” and they deny any wrongdoing. Or they have their lawyers deny it for them. Maybe they also let their lawyers handle their carefully worded orisons. 

j Sobran

Ride-By Shooter
Ride-By Shooter
Reply to  Hi-ya!
8 hours ago

“Government doesn’t get much help from the Gospels.”

Obviously false. Shromans 13:1-2.

Don’t anyone reply ‘whatabout verse 3?’. You’ll just be showing off your gullibility and retardation. Verses 1 and 2 are all-encompassing generalizations.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Ride-By Shooter
7 hours ago

Romans is not a Gospel.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Hi-ya!
6 hours ago

I need to look up Vizzini’s biblical passage from yesterday. If that doesn’t prove the Bible is a political tome, I don’t know what does. I’d like to know the chapter/verses.

p.s. I just realized what Christianity teaches: Stoicism.

A grounded Greek philosophy, not the Talmud’s scheming to get around the rules nor the Kabbalah’s alchemical sex-magic.

Templar
Templar
Reply to  Hi-ya!
1 hour ago

He who takes up the sword will die by the sword.

He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Eloi
Eloi
6 hours ago

Terrance Yeakey – for those interested going farther down the rabbit hole.

Ride-By Shooter
Ride-By Shooter
Reply to  Eloi
1 hour ago

What do you think of The Corbett Report on Terrance Yeaky?

Requiem for the Suicided: Terrance Yeakey

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
9 hours ago

I can get behind the fbi baiting people, and then swooping in to save the day or whatever. I’m still having trouble believing that thousands or even only hundreds of men and women planned and executed mass murder of children and innocents. It would imply an entire class of people are sociopaths. To plan and execute the murder of children is an act so extreme not many people are psychologically strong enough to do it. Now Gaza is different . There is a spiritual element behind those people that give them religious (demonic) internal psychological cover. maybe I’m naive but… Read more »

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Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Hi-ya!
8 hours ago

If the allies had lost WW2, they would have been put on trial for war crimes, just like the axis players. Robert Mcnamara admitted as much in the documentary The Fog of War (great watch by the way) he also insinuated other sinister going ons that he couldn’t talk about at the end.

Boris
Reply to  Mr. House
6 hours ago

Yes! Fog of War is indeed a great documentary if for nothing else seeing one of the main architects of a major war gone bad present a mea culpa near the end of his life. Can anyone imagine that happening now? Also, I think your line about the allies being tried for war crimes if they had lost was actually attributed to Curtis LeMay who commanded the carpet bombing of German cities and even small towns resulting in the wholesale slaughter of hundreds of thousands of German civilians at a time when the war was essentially over. No slow-death torture… Read more »

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Boris
3 hours ago

When they ran out of cities to bomb, they started machine gunning individual Germans walking along roads. Chuck Yeager was a fighter pilot at the time and when he saw this stuff going on, he commented that “we’d better win this war” (or we would be the ones in the dock).

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Mr. House
5 hours ago

Of course. If one is doubtful, I refer you to the carpet bombing of civilian centers in Germany and Japan.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Hi-ya!
7 hours ago

a link to the trailer: https://youtu.be/VgA98V1Ubk8 Another good documentory to watch is the act of killing, here is a trailer for that https://youtu.be/n_cXCOBcH5c It is about the killing fields in Indonesia, interviews people who actually took part. My takeaway is that under pressure most people can be convinced to do anything (they don’t believe in anything really and just go along with whatever they believe is popular). Think about it with regards to covid, half the country wanted to lock up people and remove them from society for refusing to take an untested concoction from an industry with a proven… Read more »

Bitter reactionary
Bitter reactionary
Reply to  Hi-ya!
6 hours ago

I’m still having trouble believing that thousands or even only hundreds of men and women planned and executed mass murder of children and innocents. It would imply an entire class of people are sociopaths.  It’s hard to believe because you’re not an evil/insane person. I suggest reading up on MKUltra – even the ‘mainstream’ stuff will curl your hair. The feds involved were doing stuff even to each other – co-workers. Then read as much as you can stomach from Gulag Archipelago. Then about the US willfully starving Germans to death after WW2. Or how American GIs raped their way… Read more »

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Bitter reactionary
3 hours ago

If you’ve ever been in the military, you know that soldiers are only a short distance from being monsters in peacetime. In wartime, the beast is let loose.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Dutchboy
2 hours ago

That’s always a problem with very young soldiers—their moral restraints are not yet developed.

Billy Bobb
Billy Bobb
1 hour ago

Are you the same “white nationalist” who lives outside Baltimore (Lagos)??

Delmar Jackson
Delmar Jackson
1 hour ago

Soon after the bombing, PBS show Nightline provided a timeline or something they called a McVeigh chronology of the events that happened with the bombing in Kansas City. You can read the timeline and see over a period of days, different witnesses at different locations on different times and dates testified that they saw McVeigh in the company of men that were described at the time as looking dark skinned Mexican, Hawaiian, or Middle Eastern. There has been no identification of any of these men. Also all of the body parts that were found at the bomb site were identified… Read more »

Dr_Mantis_Tobbogan_MD
Member
4 hours ago

When I was young and ignorant, I was a patriotic, flag-waving American who believed while there were often bad actors, the system itself was good. As I started to learn, the bad actors are there because the system is rotten to the core. Reminds me of a story about a Taco Bell that was so overrun with vermin that it was better that the company tear the building down and start anew. I think we’re at this point now. I don’t think you can reform something so corrupt. The FBI had a purpose in the Bonnie and Clyde days as… Read more »

Ride-By Shooter
Ride-By Shooter
Reply to  Dr_Mantis_Tobbogan_MD
2 hours ago

“The FBI had a purpose in the Bonnie and Clyde days” True, and it’s basically the same purpose for every police department, including those departments found in bootlicker territories. That purpose is to drain away motive and enthusiasm for private, unpaid action by men and older boys. Some people are keen to subvert social capital, and to prevent its buildup where there is little. There’s also another morbid fear, esp. among fags, females, financiers, Phonecians, and the friends of Zion. An empire of bourgeois indulgence and atomist collectivism won’t remain this way for long if numerous men—always the primary source… Read more »

Ride-By Shooter
Ride-By Shooter
Reply to  Ride-By Shooter
1 hour ago

Just to be clear, there are other necessary conditions for such an empire to be subverted by men who lose their faith in secularism: They must get to know each other. They must form a meeting of the minds, so that there can be harmony among the them. They must learn how to coöperate like members of a winning team, or teams. They must act. Fyi, believing on some powerful god is not necessary, nor is it a sufficient condition of losing faith in secularism. A faithful theistic priest, for instance, who drinks and enjoys feasts and watches sports with… Read more »

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miforest
miforest
8 hours ago

I followed the closest thing we had to alt media back at the time of the OKC bombing.
it was clear that the BATF and FBI were both had informants galore at a place called Eholhim city in oklahoma where there was a groum of badthinkers living . their bungling and infighting let mcVeigh get the material to do the job. He did it to avenge Ruby Ridge and the Waco massacre.
Strangly enough , the feds dialed back the we’ll shoot and burn your kids program after it happened . Ya never know . https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/1998/03/14/ex-informant-lying-attorney-claims-grand-jury-hears-from-atf-agent/62288491007/

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  miforest
7 hours ago

If the goal was to avenge Ruby Ridge and Waco, the federal building in OKC seems to me like a very odd choice of target

Ride-By Shooter
Ride-By Shooter
8 hours ago

“Anything damaging to the government was destroyed long ago” That habit is why it’s so important not to become ensnared by debates about particulars (who shot JFK? did McVeigh do it? etc.) but to call attention also to shady origins of the USA and her obviously fake “supreme Law of the Land”. Nobody at CNN wants to black pill the public with a reminder of the skulduggery of 1775 through 1789. Yet some important material has to be kept in plain sight, which makes it vulnerable to skepticism. The DoI is a dogpile of creationist, “Englightenment” agitprop. The Constitution begins… Read more »

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