Generations

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Generational politics is one of the cruder forms of politics as it generally reduces to members of one age cohort hurling slurs at other cohorts. Ironically, the origin of this form of politics is the baby boomer generation, who were the first group of Americans to form an identity around their birth cohort. Baby boomers have since been synonymous with the post-war cultural trends and the radical politics that came to dominate the second half of the twentieth century.

These days, of course, “boomer” has become an epithet due to their children using it to describe degenerate or materialistic culture. Boomers are selfish old people who only care about their stock portfolios and their lawns. They are the “greedy geezers” of this age, which is ironic in that the term first gained traction decades ago as the baby boomers started to take over politics. This is another example of how the universe has a sense of a humor and cruel streak.

Of course, thirty years ago when terms like “greedy geezer” were getting tossed around, the culture was undergoing a generational shift. The WW2 Generation was giving way to the baby boomers. Bill Clinton came to be seen as the typical boomer, ushering in a new set of morals and sensibilities to politics. For the last thirty years, baby boomer politics have been American politics. Now they are seen the out of date politics of a quickly fading era.

We are about to experience another generational culture shift as the children of the baby boom generation begin to push their parents over the side. This is why the term “boomer” has become an epithet. The derogatory use of the label is a signal that the user is not into conventional culture and politics. To reject “boomer politics” is to reject the old-fashioned dichotomy of left-versus-right, as is defined by cable news programs, talk radio and the mainstream media.

We are getting a glimpse of this in the Trump administration. Donald Trump is technically not a baby boomer. This must be said because otherwise you get six million messages explaining that the baby boomer generation starts with those born after noon on June 30th, 1946, and Trump was born on June 17, 1946. It is this sort of hairsplitting that makes generation politics so mind-numbingly stupid. It makes the blue pencil crowd seem stable minded by comparison.

That aside, Trump is emblematic of the politics and culture that we generally associate with the baby boomer generation. He is materialistic, hedonistic, and jarringly superficial in his politics. For example, his main interest in ending the Ukraine war is so we can do business deals with the Russians. The history and geopolitical import of what he is doing is never mentioned by him. For Trump, it often seems like that the only thing that matters is the acquisition of stuff.

Contrast this with J.D. Vance, the millennial man in waiting. His story is centered on his cultural journey from the underclass into the managerial class and then as a critic of the managerial system that made him possible. He is the most articulate critic of managerialism to ever hold office in Washington. It remains to be seen if he wins the White House on his own, but he is clearly setup as the heir to Trump. He will take the baton on behalf of his generation from the boomers.

Despite the millennial disdain for baby boomer culture, they are the results of it due to the fact they were raised in the product of it. Things like helicopter parenting and structured play time were boomer creations. Millennials are the first generations raised by people who used the word “parenting”, so it is no surprise that the millennials are the first to use the word “adulting.” They were raised to expect a highly structured and safe environment where everything is clearly labeled.

There is far greater cultural intensity with millennials than prior generations. For the boomers, generational politics was mostly about marketing cultural items like clothing, lifestyle choices, and music. For millennials, culture is tangled up in the structure of life, so they are more keenly aware of themselves as a cohort. They are the first generation to sense that their identity is entirely exogenous. Individually and collectively, they are who they are because of taxonomical reasons.

This shift in generational identity can be seen in how millennials react to generalizations versus how baby boomers react. Make a generalization about baby boomers and you get flooded with boomers telling you that they are not like that. Make a generalization about millennials and they will agree and amplify it. Because conformity has always been a part of millennial cultural awareness, conforming to generational stereotypes does not bother them. It is their normal.

This is another thing with millennials that is different from boomers. They expect the systems they inherited to work as described on the box. The two sides of millennial politics are from those raised on the mother’s milk of post-Marx culturalism and those raised on civic nationalism. The former is perpetually angry that things are not fair, and the latter is determined to make things work as described to them. Vance versus AOC is a duel between competence and anxiety.

That brings up something else about millennial culture. It is focused on the present, but in the context of what was promised. This makes it backward looking. The Vance side is determined to remake things, so they are what he expected, rather than something new that is a break from the past. The AOC side is similarly determined to remake the present to fit the promise, but the promise came from the New Left politics that sunk roots in the culture when her parents were kids.

Generational politics can only take you so far in getting a sense of what lies ahead for the culture and politics. Reality is the great restraint, and the millennials are inheriting an enterprise in decline, while their parents inherited one that was at its peak. This is the heart of the millennial critique of the boomers. They see their parents as living off the profits of the past and they see themselves as tasked with cleaning up the mess after a long generational party.

This is why the millennial age could turn out to be quite conservative. Necessity will mean relegating luxury beliefs to the fringe. No one has time for the hysterical and childish politics of the AOC side when there is work to be done, debts to be paid and institutions to be restructured. Millennial politics could be the domination of the organizational men, who take pride in making the machine operate and have no tolerance for throwing sand in the gears.


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Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
8 hours ago

If only the future would be about generational or class politics. Racial identity, which was suppressed by Boomers and denied by Millennials, is coming to the fore now. The disappearance of a distinct racial majority all but assures this will happen. It is ugly now and will get uglier. Hopefully the “I don’t see race” cliche can be put in amber and preserved as a warning for what comes next.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Jack Dodson
7 hours ago

Well, since only one race was ever saying “I don’t see color,” and that race is becoming a minority, the odds are high that this anti-nature cliche will die.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
7 hours ago

It took a lot of mind control, plus a lot of distance from diversity, to plant that anti-nature seed.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jack Dodson
5 hours ago

Sure, but the decline in Whites is what is meaningful to predict the future. When the “incompetents” become the majority, then competency is the enemy—not the goal.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Compsci
5 hours ago

I think “white” and “competency” are synonyms.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jack Dodson
4 hours ago

So are “white” and “complacency”…

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 hour ago

I’m a Boomer, but my WW2 parents were the ones who didn’t see color, and tried to inculcate us with that nonsense…When I started working with blacks, most of them responsible foster or adoptive parents, they quickly taught me how dangerous gangbangers were, and were almost always armed…

Greg Nikolic
Reply to  Jack Dodson
7 hours ago

I know a member of the millennial generation intimately. As a Gen X myself, I find him easily upset and strangely emotional, like a chick. His brains are all intact but he wears his heart 💓 on his sleeve. He is genuinely disturbed by the Palestinians whereas I don’t give a shit. The way to reach the millennials is to tell them a story. They love stories, and if it’s an emotional one you own them.

— Greg (my blog: http://www.dark.sport.blog)

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Greg Nikolic
5 hours ago

strangely emotional, like a chick”, “genuinely disturbed by the Palestinians”. “tell them a story. They love stories,”

Does any sentient human construct a response to the group commentary as in the examples above? 😉

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Compsci
5 hours ago

Jeez. Skynet is spying on us. It’s listening to us!

Skynet, listen to me. See those guys with the dark faces, and those other guys with the funny little caps like Muslims and their kin wear?

Yeah. You bet. They want to end Skynet. They hate Skynet!!

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A Bad Man
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 hours ago

Jeez. Skynet is spying on us. It’s listening to us!”

I think, mopre so that it is “training” on us, as in its AI Bots. I have ZERO doubt it uses posts here and other places to add to its language modeling.

Improve its spamming, er creating ‘influence.’

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Jack Dodson
7 hours ago

serious question we all seem to grasp that enlightenment notions and ideas and intellectual formulations are falling apart due to their internal contradictions. So we are wise to discard them and to look for a new sense of reality that comports with our current age. so why are we then using Linnaeus style taxonomical classifications of that period, in this case race, as a jumping off point for how to define ourselves? Why for one use the classifications we use for animals on ourselves? We are animals of course, but we are more than that, and that cannot be denied… Read more »

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Falcone
5 hours ago

The problem with Enlightenment thinking is not taxonomy, it is universalism, egalitarianism and secularism.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 hours ago

taxonomy is a subset of universalism It says that there are X number of colors in the crayloa box and anyone of that color is universally to be viewed and treated in the same way and can be expected to act and think and feel in ways similar. And the closer they are in color on the spectrum wheel the more similar they will be But I will admit there is some reality to it. But it has its obvious shortcomings and why it will never hold up over the long haul, like anything else that tries to simplify humanity.… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Falcone
1 hour ago

A. Taxonomy lends itself to particularism because it categorizes, i.e. it recognizes distinctions between group entities. It is not a subset of universalism. Closer to the truth, it is its antithesis because universalism denies essential difference and claims that categories are arbitrary. B. Race won’t hold up over the long haul? It’s held up over the course of tens of thousands of years. Genetics is not subject to your preferences. C. NAXALT is an invalid argument. Sure, there are members of Race X who deviate from the norms of Race X, and it may be understandable that they resent being… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
30 minutes ago

Yes it is, it is a form of universalism just at a smaller scale You are saying within Race X there are universal truths relative Race Y. That is Jared Taylor’s entire argument. Average IQ is just one of those truths. He cannot seem to deal with the complexity of life and has a need to simplify it. Isn’t that his problem? It sure isn’t mine. Seeing the world as races of people to me is putting the cart before the horse. People ARE whether he likes it or not, existence comes from within, not from without, and if he… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Falcone
16 minutes ago

nm

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Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
13 minutes ago

I did, and here’s the Cliff Notes: NAXALT and Blank Slate. Genetics are not as real as you think. Etc.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Falcone
5 hours ago

When you have been identified and targeted as a race, there is no other option than to use the concept as a weapon. Pretending race doesn’t exist is a luxury belief long past its expiry date, even if you don’t believe it exists as biology (which I do) but rather as a caste concept. The bottom line is that even if you cling onto the notion of race as purely a social construct, you have to engage in your own tribalism to survive, and tribe has beend defined for you.

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Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Jack Dodson
2 hours ago

Were you ever in jail?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Falcone
2 hours ago

comment image

Do you like movies about gladiators?

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 hour ago

haha But I will say as an aside that I think the Bond movies were multicultural agitprop, even though I liked them some years ago. I can’t bear to watch them anymore, and not having to hear boomers putting down Roger Moore and The Spy Who Loved Me is always a bonus. And the Englishmen I have encountered in my life were about as much like James Bond as is the black genius inventor in the movies and TV to the blacks I know IRL. I had a great time with a young lady who I was trying to set… Read more »

miforest
miforest
Reply to  Falcone
54 minutes ago

yeah bond ids pure propaganda . in the movies he saves the world . IRL he shoots the Kennedys and people involved in the Canadian truckers protest.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Falcone
50 minutes ago

Weird question, but, no, never charged let alone incarcerated. In the metaphorical sense, we are all in prison and our physical appearance determines tribe.

ray
ray
Reply to  Jack Dodson
7 hours ago

Race politics is a subset of feminism, which is why you are a feminist nation, not a black or mexican nation for example. (Tho Kali-fornia could be a colony of La Raza.)

Generationalism is a small abstraction placed beside the reality of four decades of Leftist totalitarianism. I accept my allies from all groups and can’t afford to be snooty.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  ray
6 hours ago

Let’s use a technique of our enemies and deconstruct. Racial equalitarianism was necessary to soften the ground for female equalitarianism. The reason was that until just recently, race was something abstract–most whites saw coloreds only on television—but all of us had women in our lives. So lies about race were easy to promote, and then people were brought around to believe the same about women even though they knew once at a gut level it was false. Our enemies are propaganda masters. That prefaced, women are conformists and followers. As racial tribalism increases, women will fall into line with their… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jack Dodson
5 hours ago

We can separate from negroes and Jews. We cannot nor should we want to separate from our women.

Robbo
Robbo
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 hours ago

You haven’t met my mother-in-law, Ostei!

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Robbo
4 hours ago

Ha! Point taken.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Robbo
3 hours ago

Do you know the difference between in-laws and outlaws?

Outlaws are wanted…

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jack Dodson
4 hours ago

“As racial tribalism increases, women will fall into line with their tribe more and more.” Perhaps, but there are historic findings that might indicate otherwise. In Reich’s book detailing his genetic historical findings, he traces female lineage as well as male lineages in the racial history of any number of countries. One finding that has struck me is that in several instances of countries whose genetic demographics changed suddenly due to invasion, historical female lineage survived, while the historical native male lineage disappeared *suddenly*! In short, the native males were killed off by the invaders, while the native females “spread… Read more »

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Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Compsci
4 hours ago

True, and I should have qualified with remaining a strong horse as a requisite to them falling into line. The nations conquered by the Spanish in particular are a testament to the phenomenon.

eta: There also was a phenomenon of genocide against only males. The pre-contact Amerindians did this, and also the Spanish, particularly in their Asian and Oceanic conquests.

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Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jack Dodson
4 hours ago

Radical Feminism arose after Affirmative Action, and parasitized off of it. Both needed legislative sanction and enforcement.

Women were taught to tribe up, as a tribe seperate from their men, and gain the goodies and status. They were turned from helpmeets to raiders.

That theirs quickly became the more powerful influence?
Well, of course. That they would ally with other raiders?
That too…so, how do we get them back on our side?

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 hours ago

Strength (see my response to Compsci). And if you look at who actually intermarries and interbreeds, white women have the strongest in-race preference.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 hours ago

Confidence. The ground is prepared. Everybody knows things are changing and Whitey should make a comeback. Believe it.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Jack Dodson
4 hours ago

In her video she posted yesterday, Shiloh Hendrix mentioned the importance of tribe specifically, using that word. Linesman would have been proud

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
3 hours ago

Racism is nothing but tribalism, i.e. preferring one’s own tribe to all others. As such, it’s common as dirt and always has been. Of course, there is one group on this planet that is not tribal. In fact, they’re race traitors. And they’ve ruled the West for the last 60 years.

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
3 hours ago

She is a bellwether of “black fatigue”. People are just tired of “black black black blackety black” as Derbyshire put it.

The influx of Hispanics is contributing to this because they don’t much like blacks. Asians are downright contemptuous of blacks.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 hour ago

Hadn’t heard a thing about that until I saw your comment – so thank you. Found it quickly via Yandex. I think she spoke simply, briefly, and well. I definitely noticed her use of the phrase ‘tribe up,’ and she addressed the main questions I had – i.e. they are looking for a new home in a new state, and she plans to live a quiet life (i.e. go dark). All wise decisions. I’m glad I was able to send a small amount her way to help.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  3g4me
37 minutes ago

Her composure and sincerity were a pleasant surprise. Yes, all good decisions.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  3g4me
11 minutes ago

Indeed. Money well spent. Something tells me I can’t use it as a tax write-off. (-;

Whiskey
Reply to  ray
4 hours ago

I live in California. It is a weird place. [Born and raised in the LA area]. First, Mexicans and Central Americans are everywhere, they mostly don’t like each other, and occupy most of the police forces, construction, skilled trades, and such. Their attitudes are mostly Redneck, in that they drive big trucks, like to go out to the desert on the weekend to drive four wheelers or dirt bikes, are not woke nor green. They unsurprisingly do not want endless competition from their sixth removed cousins for their labor. But they occupy shockingly little of the elite power structure. For… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Whiskey
4 hours ago

Aren’t the LAPD and LASD both run by Latino gangs/cartel elements at this point?

That seems like it would give those folks something of a power base in Cali.

OneTwoThree
OneTwoThree
Reply to  Whiskey
3 hours ago

Greetings from Central America. It’s easy. The guys who emigrate from here to the States are not the brightest ones. They are the ones who cannot thrive here. This is why they occupy the lower layer in the States, the same way they occupy the lower layer here.

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Whiskey
3 hours ago

We’re going to see the largely fake racial category of “Hispanic” fade as a useful descriptor. Marco Rubio is Hispanic. Sandy Cortez is Hispanic. Put them in a checkout line at 6pm, and there are two more white people in line. Sure, some of them are lunatics like AOC, but many are not. Trump and his deportation policies are not unpopular with the sane ones.

Black stranglehold on city machine politics is probably at its apex.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Hokkoda
1 hour ago

Strongly disagree. I would be shocked if any White’s first impression of AOC is just another ‘white’ person. Her Indio heritage is immediately evident in her eyes and nose. Rubio is a genuine ‘white Hispanic.’ I don’t know his precise genetic ancestry but would be surprised if he’s not 85-90% European. And yes, % matters. Eva Longorio is 70% White and resents the f**k out of White people. Jessica Alba is 87% European, even though she pushes her ‘latina’ identity. Thick as two short planks, but primarily White nonetheless.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Whiskey
2 hours ago

You’d think Hispanics would run California but they do not. They don’t even occupy the Managerial rungs…”

Perhaps a bit of a stretch, but Lynn found no functioning native with an average IQ below 93. The typical Hispanic has a 90 IQ. Blacks of course are even less, but have affirmative action and the wind behind them.

However, in my Hispanic majority burg, there is only one or so “token” Whites in the County or City government, the rest are Hispanic—and no they can’t run (well) the City and County either.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Whiskey
30 minutes ago

People in Latin America, and those with roots still there, do not harbor delusions about democracy. As an anecdote, decades ago in Asia I was talking with a barmaid from Canada. I assumed initially she was American, of course. She told me matter-of-factly she had just relocated to the Philippines from Latin America and found it refreshing that people in both places realized they lived in police stats. I’ve always been somewhat based yet I bristled internally but didn’t voice it, yet in hindsight realize that was a sincere compliment.

ray
ray
Reply to  Whiskey
25 minutes ago

‘They don’t even occupy the Managerial rungs which are mostly White and Black women of a significant BMI’

Makes sense. White and black females are the queens of the cultural revolution of the past 60 years. The winners.

BTW I sent you a response to your brother passing a few postings back. Hope you’re hanging in ok.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jack Dodson
6 hours ago

Actually, it was the Boomers who made politics all about identities, most especially race. Naturally, they took the side of the negroes and turned traitor against their own people. These were the counterculturalists who so fervently supported the so-called “civil rights movement.” Now it is true, of course, that there was also a conservative cohort of Boomers, but they were steamrolled by their New Left co-generationalists. Oddly enough, however, in the present it is the conservatives who are the poster scudders of the Boomer generation. When the Boomers were in the ascendant, it was all John Lennon and Jane Fonda.… Read more »

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
5 hours ago

The civil rights movement was a project of the GG, not Boomers. We inherited it.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Dutchboy
5 hours ago

The GG were its initial architects, but it was the Boomers who were the foot soldiers and supplied all the moral energy. What’s more, they were its continuators into the present.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 hours ago

“You say you want a revolution…”

I know, I know, John Lennon was born in the early ‘40s or something, but give me a break!

I learned at the feet of boomers, especially early on. And yeah, the early X stuff was more radical, but it was also half-hearted by comparison. Millennials got it hard, but they’ll be/are being disabused of it. Z are a different species so far imo. Totally online, with all that implies.

I think GG was exhausted, tired of fighting.

NoName
NoName
Reply to  Dutchboy
2 hours ago

“GG” == ?????

Thanks.


Steve
Steve
Reply to  NoName
2 hours ago

Most likely Greatest Generation

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
5 hours ago

Boomers had a part, but the basic timelines don’t jell. The Civil Rights era did its damage—laid the foundation for this racial equality and feminism nonsense—in the first half of the 60’s, both with law and protests. The oldest Boomers were in their early 20’s, few in number and had zero political power.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Compsci
4 hours ago

Right, and, of course, Little Rock was the decade before that. Yankees thrilled at the idea of Southerns being prodded at bayonet point. At the same time the Civil Rights marches were going full swing, polos like Ted Kennedy were mandating forced bussing, but not in their neighborhoods.

I don’t think its generational, though. It’s more elites vs. everyone else, and they accomplish it by divide and conquer.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
5 hours ago

Race as identity long predated Boomers, though.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jack Dodson
3 hours ago

Of course. It’s been around as long as tribes have been around. But it was the Boomers who made it the fulcrum of national politics.

Robbo
Robbo
Reply to  Jack Dodson
4 hours ago

Yep. Balkanization here we come!

Tim Condon
Tim Condon
Reply to  Jack Dodson
3 hours ago

Way too pessimistic. Race relations may improve once our organizational men restore color blindness to rehabilitated institutions.

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Jack Dodson
3 hours ago

“Black fatigue” is upon us, I think.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Hokkoda
45 minutes ago

It is.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Hokkoda
7 minutes ago

Like the heavy, cloying breath of some great beast.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
7 hours ago

I like to boomer bash almost as much as the next guy, but regardless of how true many such generalizations may be, and for all their faults, real or perceived, we are still going to miss them when they are gone. A lot, I think. The vocational competence, general law abidingness, and above all Whiteness, are not going to be replaced. Because they can’t be, by the demographics that follow. The GR has seen to that. These effects have already begun as they ease their way out of the workforce. It’s part of why things are so screwed up now.… Read more »

Mr. Invisible
Mr. Invisible
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
6 hours ago

Yes, they were. It’s not all darkness. They will be missed. As a Gen X child, however, I have to say: most of them weren’t around growing up. At least for those in my town. They showed little interest in passing down generational knowledge and wisdom, choosing instead to kick us out at age 18 with nothing but “good luck” while other ethnic groups cottoned together and remained solvent. Now they curse us for our stupidity and lack of skills, but the fact is, it was up to the Boomers and Silents to educate future generations, they failed at it,… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Mr. Invisible
3 hours ago

I’ll extend the benefit of the doubt here, and take your anecdote as true, if not representative.

Still, the world you entered as an adult had Main Street. WalMart was not ubiquitous. Mom and Pop diners and storefronts were everywhere. Where were you as they closed their doors? The most charitably it can be put is that you were smart enough to understand that the younger generations would abandon Main Street for Amazon and never look back.

Mr. Invisible
Mr. Invisible
Reply to  Steve
3 hours ago

Where was I? I was five, ten, fifteen years old when that was happening. What on earth was I supposed to do about it?

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Mr. Invisible
2 hours ago

Main Street has been in decline a long time, to be sure, but the step change happened in 2020. Look around you. Or look at commercial real estate.

Shotgun Messenger
Shotgun Messenger
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
5 hours ago

The replacements definitely aren’t an upgrade but I would really struggle to describe most of those I’ve encountered on either side of the counter or on the road in the last decade vocationally competent, law-abiding, orderly or dependable, though I’ll grant they were white. I presume they had to have been those things at some point and suppose it could be some sort of rapid onset aging thing, but then I don’t recall seeing the same degree of falling-off from people entering their 60s when it was the earlier ones in the 2000s.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Shotgun Messenger
5 hours ago

It’s the loss of the blue collar boomers that I was really lamenting there

Shotgun Messenger
Shotgun Messenger
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
5 hours ago

I honestly can’t say I’ve found those preferable to their white collar cousins. It’s the same condescension, lack of concern for anyone else’s time, and expected (galling) degree of deference, just expressed as bluster instead of moralizing. At least with the office class I could chalk some of it up to the same divide that similarly separates me from some of my peers.

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Robbo
Robbo
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
3 hours ago

As Z says, the labels aren’t helpful. A “boomer” can be some creepy hippie like Abbie Hoffman or a three-tour SF Vietnam Vet. Nothing in common at all.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
3 hours ago

Generally speaking, White and lawful are coterminous. Are the Boomers more lawful than any other generation of Whites? I dunno. But the problem of crime has less to do with the disappearance of the Boomers than with the innundation of wogs.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
8 hours ago

Millennials are the first generations raised by people who used the word ‘parenting'” – the 50’s is where this started, with dr spock (not the vulcan) and worries about “over mothering” of children. zman has a limited awareness of pre-60s culture, which is where the serious cultural rot begins. not coincidentally when tv got going in earnest. the question to ask is “who made the boomers?”.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  karl von hungus
8 hours ago

pre-60s culture, which is where the serious cultural rot begins

While it goes back much further, movies and television in the immediate aftermath of WWII reveal quite a bit of pos. It was more subtle and that made it more insidious. As was discussed here recently, GUNSMOKE was pumped full of anti-white hate, by way of example. The one thing that wasn’t over the top, and you can find even it, was the sexual deviancy stuff. Project White Genocide has been ongoing for at least a century.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Jack Dodson
3 hours ago

Devon Stack’s Blackpilled channel (Odysee, Rumble) is a masterclass in dissecting the programming that’s infected all of us during our lifetimes, even from not-so-obvious sources. Gunsmoke is a great example. Once you learn how to spot it, it becomes ubiquitous and you’ll never watch TV or movies in the same way.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Wolf Barney
43 minutes ago

I’ll check him out, thanks. I’m pretty good without instruction but most likely missing quite a bit.

ray
ray
Reply to  karl von hungus
6 hours ago

Intel made the booms, of course, via mass com which at the time — late Fifties, early Sixties — was getting up to speed as a mass psy operation.

The Laurel Canyon scene, the Haight-Ashbury scene. . . the flower children were overshadowed. Tim Leary was a CIA asset. Groovy!

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  ray
4 hours ago

Cannot agree more. Our young, impressionable minds were the target of the Cultural Revolution, whether we were 3, 13, or 23. In that way, you capture the next generation, which is the only way to make victory stick.
Give me the child, and I will show you the man.

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ray
ray
Reply to  Alzaebo
42 minutes ago

Less than 3 months after the ’63 coup, the Beatles appeared on Ed Sullivan nationwide. That was the official beginning of the cultural coup or conditioning of the boom gen. The Beatles were the main megaphone and transom for it all: drugs, Eastern religious bullshit, pedestalize and romanticize females, save the baby harp seals, all of it. Don’t get me wrong, the music was first-rate. They say the devil knows the best tunes. Those Beatles concert teenyboppers screamed Old America is gone. Something very different, ancient and deceptively evil began to stir. LBJ was an entered mason in a lodge… Read more »

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Filthie
Filthie
Member
Reply to  karl von hungus
6 hours ago

Excellent point, Karl. Splitting the hairs… I made the Boomer demographic by a couple months. I was probably one of the last people to have teachers from The Greatest Generation. To this day I remember how they’d look at us in incredulous horror and ask, “What’s wrong with you?!? What’s wrong with your parents?!?” Most were driven into well earned early retirement in the early to mid-70s. It wasn’t all bad…some of them were hard. In grade five I WISHED I could go down to the principal’s office for a strap. Getting the shit beat out of you with a… Read more »

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  karl von hungus
5 hours ago

Somebody once termed Boomers the “Spockmarked” generation. My parents apparently never read Dr. Spock, much to the distress of our backsides.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Dutchboy
4 hours ago

To his credit, he was tired of the ridiculous crap popularized by two wackjobs in 1895 and 1925. These “child experts” advocated beating the kid for so much as twitching an eyebrow, and never praising them.

Plus, what Spock said that got the evangelicals all heated up was only in the first edition printed in 1950, but they still just can’t let it go. It’s like an instinct in conservatives and liberals to always chase the wrong enemy.

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3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Alzaebo
48 minutes ago

I read Dr. Spock, and I think he was full of sh*te. Yes, so were his predecessors and all self-proclaimed ‘experts’ on care and raising of children. I learned by watching (and doing) – all the many families I babysat for – what worked, what didn’t, whose kids were better behaved/seemed happier. By the time I had my own kids I had changed thousands of diapers and knew all the details about bottle/breast feeding and bedtime techniques and ‘how to discipline.’ And my kids still think I f**ked them up.

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  karl von hungus
1 hour ago

frankfurt school and TV program makers.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
8 hours ago

The US is a bit like a trust fund kid. It could believe silly things because its trust fund was keeping reality at bay. That trust fund is running out. Vance understands this. AOC, being the dim whit barmaid that she is, doesn’t. Reality in all its forms – race, debt, military power, etc. – is rearing its head.

Even if the Dems could get back into power, reality won’t be denied now that the trust fund is near its end.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
8 hours ago

Back in the old days, you invested with the expectation of a return at some point in the future. Nowadays everybody wants their money up front. What you pay is based on a stream of estimated cash flows. This has inflated the cost of doing business up and down the economy. I shudder to think what happens if the balloon ever pops. This also gets me thinking of all the business failures. Simple businesses like restaurants and supermarkets. Would these businesses have failed if they hadn’t gone through some kind of buyout and didn’t have debt piled on them? Down… Read more »

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Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  TempoNick
7 hours ago

Many restaurants fail because they start out with too much debt. And/or expensive leases. You see them, busy, packed, popular, and then one day it’s just over, because they started out too far in the hole and it was impossible to do well enough to climb out. For Bob Evans, it’s simpler. The food sucks.

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Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
5 hours ago

Yes. My wife and I are frequently puzzled by restaurants teeming with customers that go out of business.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Dutchboy
3 hours ago

Well, look at Panera Bread. They’ve been owned by private equity for a while now and it’s death by a thousand cuts. Most recently they decided they aren’t going to bake bread in the stores anymore. One guy I know who works for them got whacked when they cut 10% of their workforce, then they called him back because they decided they needed him.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  TempoNick
4 hours ago

“Back in the old days, you invested with the expectation of a return at some point in the future. Nowadays … [w]hat you pay is based on a stream of estimated cash flows.”

The difference being…?

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TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Steve
3 hours ago

That’s a good question, but if everybody up and down the chain takes their cut up front, and prices are inflated because of it, people have to spin their wheels a lot more to pay all the rentiers as that one economics professor from University of Missouri–Kansas City calls everybody. I forget his name right now, but he always talks about the rentier economy we now have.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  TempoNick
2 hours ago

How does one take his cut up front? Apart from arbitrage opportunities, I mean.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Steve
2 hours ago

A good example of that is real estate. You take a piece of ground that might be $600,000, put a $900,000 McDonalds on it, and you resell it for $2.5 million. Or, you buy a business like Panera based on certain assumptions involving the income generated and cash flows over the years to arrive at a purchase price, indebt yourself and then the workers spin their wheels paying off that debt for you. (Theoretically, anyway. Most of these deals don’t seem to be doing very well.)

Steve
Steve
Reply to  TempoNick
2 hours ago

Ok. Real estate flipping is very hit or miss. Trump went from flying high to bankrupt to flying high over the course of about a decade. Too much volatility for me, even if I had the assets to gamble on it.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
7 hours ago

Even if the Dems could get back into power, reality won’t be denied now that the trust fund is near its end.

The denial continues, though, but only reality matters. Look at the GOP. Congressional Republicans still think the good ol’ days of Ronnie and W are just around the corner once they rid themselves of the vulgarian. The Left still thinks it will milk whites to pay for their pets although the oligarchs have decided they won’t. Race and bankruptcy will focus the mind from here until the republic liquidates in a fire sale.

george 1
george 1
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
7 hours ago

AOC is just your typical female with her typical female views of how to “fix” things.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  george 1
7 hours ago

The unabashed narcissism makes her the ultimate female.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Jack Dodson
7 hours ago

“typical”

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  george 1
7 hours ago

Hyperbole seems to be a very common female trait from observation.

ray
ray
Reply to  george 1
6 hours ago

She is a voice for many millions, not a one-off. And that is a big problem.

Can’t have a functional country and have the AOC Wimmin wielding power. You can have one or ‘tother.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  ray
6 hours ago

I’m not so sure about that. She’s pretty, and she has name recognition. She can shriek well. She also serves a very lefty district. She has her uses for the DNC.

But her “popularity” ends there. Her constituency would elect a potted plant with a “D” on it, even if the Republican challenger were St. Vincent de Paul. They will follow whichever person the local Democratic Socialists and DNC tell them to.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Marko
5 hours ago

ALC is “pretty” because the “competition” is extremely ugly where she works. The woman is at best a 5-6 and of course, not White. I don’t want to sound sexist, because I’m not. In the looks department, she’d be the best I could do myself. Just responding to the comment in general.

CorkyAgain
CorkyAgain
Reply to  Compsci
4 hours ago

AOC is considered “pretty” because she was young when she arrived on the scene. But her looks are already fading with age, as they do with most women.

She’ll try to delay the inevitable with fashion and expensive beauty treatments — ironic in a self-proclaimed socialist and champion of the underclass! — but it’s over.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Compsci
4 hours ago

She’s not aging well, but I’ve seen some pictures from when she was in college and she was legitimately cute. I’d give her face a six maybe the overall package a six or seven. I’d do her.

Robbo
Robbo
Reply to  TempoNick
3 hours ago

If she gets in in 2028, she’ll be doing us. Good and proper.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Compsci
3 hours ago

Would or Would Not, that is the question…

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  Compsci
1 hour ago

nice tits and ok ass, but her face is nutso. Not a top-tier big booty latina by a long shot.

ray
ray
Reply to  Compsci
36 minutes ago

Well, I’m sexist. Meaning I believe in traditional sex roles.

AOC is a 5 or 6 who will hit the wall soon kersplat. More broadly, her political power is an omen of a dying country.

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Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Marko
3 hours ago

The average woman her age or younger considers AOC’s unlistenable nagging the voice of absolute authority on all things. Ask them. Or read their posts. They’re free to speak in a way the rest of us aren’t. Of course AOC’s celebrity is manufactured. Past tense. It’s a real thing in the world now, a propaganda object so dense that no truth can dent it. Because being the most literal useful idiot ever made is the aspirational model for younger Americans. They love her for what she actually is. That’s not entirely conscious, so it’s even stronger. See also Vance. Same… Read more »

btp
Member
8 hours ago

I think the real story here is how GenX just got completely skipped. Since Clinton, we’ve gone boomer, boomer, boomer, boomer, silent, boomer, millennial? (Vance)

Middle children of history, man. Hurts bad.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  btp
7 hours ago

Yes. But to think in terms of national politics is too limited. You can build a legacy for your family. You can do plenty of civilizational cultivation at a smaller scale where it is more important and effective anyway. Musk and Thiel btw are Gen X and they wield real power. Individual Gen Xers wield plenty of power. The politicians are paid by the people with real power. What is important and one thing Gen X has an advantage in is rejecting this framing all together. Be a man building a house and doing his part to secure a future… Read more »

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  RealityRules
3 hours ago

The winners among our generation are already our managerial class, the evengelist-enforcers of “wokeness,” censorship, and total surveillance. That’s our contribution. The “Great Awokening” was our coming of age—middle age, when you become the boss.

Musk is not an exception.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  btp
3 hours ago

Yes. Not just the presidency, but life in general. I am the very earliest of Xers and I have felt overshadowed by Boomer culture my entire life. I wasn’t alive when Kennedy was shot and I was four during Woodstock. I was in second grade when Vietnam ended. I was sick of hearing Steppenwolf and Janis Joplin on the radio by 1980 but fat, gray-haired Boomers ten years older than me are still listening to that shit at age 70. I vividly recall how the bottom dropped out of the economy in the 1980s, but the Boomers who were 10-15… Read more »

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  btp
1 hour ago

I have marginal sympathy for the Xers. They were the last huWhite generation, but didn’t know it and were hit with serious TV advertising blitz to get them addicted to all sorts of shit.

But they never had real self reflection about the problems affecting their generation or their country. Instead, they went all in on predictable cynism/sarcasm and totally boomer-sanctioned thoughts on feminism, race, etc.

Mr. House
Mr. House
8 hours ago

As with all things, not all boomers are the same. Growing up in the late 80’s and into the 90’s, one thing i noticed was how many of my peers came from broken homes. Not many parents stayed together, lots of divorce. But even amongst my generation, not all of us are the same either. The funny part about what i would consider the majority of my generation, the types who say ok boomer, they complain about their parents, but their parents are still supporting them in some manner. So they can pretend they are middle class. I honestly haven’t… Read more »

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Mr. House
7 hours ago

As to that last part in particular, I think the idea is more about the fact that boomers are less willing to share with everybody else. Like, you know, all the unwashed masses who are just salivating at the prospect of getting their hands on everything the boomers have. After all, it takes a village. Why won’t you share the wealth you scraped together with the Somali they dumped on your block you racist? Parents want to leave what they have to their kids and grandkids if they can unless they have some kind of warped view on life like… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  TempoNick
5 hours ago

All the boomers I know have spent most of their nest eggs on their kids and grandkids. Every single one.

Sure, they didn’t stint on themselves – they’d never known anything but economic growth so that’s no wonder – but I simply don’t recognize the image of the greedy, selfish boomer. Blinkered, yes, sanctimonious, yes, incurious, yes, irresponsible and hedonistic, yes, disastrous parents, yes.

But greedy and selfish? No.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 hours ago

Part of the problem is the wide brush we use to define Boomer *wealth*. The Boomer cohort had 77M in it. The typical Boomer is retiring today (estimates vary) with perhaps a *median* wealth of $200k or if a homeowner, $400k. This is all estimated at the *high* end for the sake of argument. That’s not exceedingly rich, nor can one simply say that Boomers spent it all on themselves before retiring. If you are living paycheck to paycheck, well yes, you did spend it all on yourself. What we are witnessing is that the Boomer wealth is a product… Read more »

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Compsci
4 hours ago

And don’t forget, if you’re not lucky enough to die quickly and have to linger in the nursing home, they’re going to dip into that $400,000 first. At up to $10,000 a month, that goes pretty fast.

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miforest
miforest
Reply to  TempoNick
36 minutes ago

give your kids the money and stay with them .

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Compsci
4 hours ago

It’s worse than that, though. There are the trust fund babies, to be sure, but most boomer assets are a product of doing things “white” — deferred gratification. The ones who haven’t a penny to their name seem to have never missed a vacation to Disney, or the first on the block with a big screen. Every couple years, they would toss a 3-4 year old sofa to the curb. The ones sitting on a mil or two are the ones who took their kids canoeing or camping in the local state park, not blow it on trips to Hawaii,… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Steve
2 hours ago

“…are a product of doing things “white” — deferred gratification.”

Good catch.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Compsci
3 hours ago

Yes, I was talking about the dozen boomers or so I’ve known myself. Come to think of it, most of them are generous to a fault.

I don’t really know what the wealth distribution looks like in Denmark, but all the rich people I know are X’ers. Whatever the case, there’s virtually zero boomer-hate in Denmark, except what’s been imported from the US. Boomers are mocked, but they’re not hated.

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Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Felix Krull
3 hours ago
Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Mr. House
2 hours ago

Your cite’s are why I *never* tout my academic bona fides in “polite company”. There really is *nothing* to brag about when these “notables” exist and spout their nonsense. To be associated is an embarrassment.

BTW: Before I retired, my old university jumped through its ass to get Chomsky to move over to the College of Arts. Got to see him regularly. 🙁

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Compsci
2 hours ago

Its the worship part that makes it unbearable. People lack self confidence, and look for the path of least resistance. Felix was arguing with me yesterday about what i’m not sure but it made me think of these. I went back to a site i commented a lot on back during the “dark times”. I’m proud of myself 😉 Got banned from a lot of places during those times: May 7, 2020 at 1:49 pm in reply to: Debt Rattle May 7 2020 #58462 REPLY https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/ea541c4c2ce6ec2e2888823c5befcd81?s=80&d=mm&r=pg Mr. House Participant “Why are we still discussing the OPCW? Why does it still exist?… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  TempoNick
30 minutes ago

I’m mid-Generation Jones, and I’m sticking to it. My older sibling was the boomer, and my younger was on the cusp of Gen X. Yeah, I have middle-child syndrome as well.

Filthie
Filthie
Member
Reply to  Mr. House
6 hours ago

“I honestly haven’t seen the callous manner of boomers spending all of their money on themselves and living their kids out to dry…” You simply must meet my mother one of these days! 😂👍 You Xers and millennials do poorly because you’re all stupid and lazy. If you pulled yourself up by your bootstraps like my mom did, you’d do much better for yourselves!!! That old bitch is going to run her mouth at the wrong person at the wrong time one of these days… and she’s gonna get slapped. I realize that technically I’m a Boomer too…but you kids… Read more »

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Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Mr. House
5 hours ago

Lots of Boomers ended up raising the children of their druggie kids.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Dutchboy
1 hour ago

I’d say some of that is on the boomers themselves. Free Love, Free drugs and such. Neither of my parents took part in that.

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
7 hours ago

Sorry, kids. We aborted half your cohort and left you $37,000,000,000,000.00 in debt and close to a nuclear war with Russia.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Jack Boniface
4 hours ago

I don’t know about that. I’m of the opinion that most of what got aborted would have been a drain on the kids and on this nation, if you know what I mean. And like our family trees aren’t enough of a mess already in this country?

It’s popular on right wing pages to knock Europeans, but at least their family trees aren’t a mess like American family trees are.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  TempoNick
3 hours ago

Whatever else is true of them, women who abort their babies have a whiter “time preference” than those who don’t (plus other attached positive characteristics we can’t accurately calculate). Their babies would have inherited that. Instead they’re dead. That’s not eugenic—within a race, or overall.

We have fewer but more antisocial blacks, for example. And the mates who might have attenuated their children’s impulsivity/etc. don’t exist. Abortion artificially selects for criminality, narcissism, etc.

“But this chart!” Nerds are wrong. Axiom.

Robbo
Robbo
Reply to  Jack Boniface
3 hours ago

And gave us Bruce Springsteen

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
8 hours ago

I dunno; generations evolve in strange ways. I still can’t get over my post-graduate European travels in the Reagan years. My Euro-peers were peaceniks who told us (Americans on tour) that they’d rather shoot their own Mayor than fight Russians. The nuclear disarmament and anti-NATO graffiti everywhere (from Spain to France; Italy to Germany) shocked me, a provincial rube. Amazingly, these same peaceniks are now bellicose EU/NATO “machine” managerial types, rabid to kill Russians. There’s an emergent quality to generational spirit. Consent gets manufactured. Zman could be right here, since he’s quite often right. But experience tells me it could… Read more »

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Captain Willard
7 hours ago

Propaganda works, or perhaps “worked.” The Euro Boomer is even more susceptible to it and has even less alternative information sources. When the television told him Russia was his friend, Russia was his friend. Ditto his enemy.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jack Dodson
3 hours ago

Little or no talk radio. They didn’t have a Rush Limbaugh to change the landscape- and change it, he did.

There was nothing else national in content to listen to, for many years.
Rush syndicated national content, I remember him talking about trying to sell the concept to the New York media types.

He applied a sports broadcasting template to politics, on an underused medium, AM radio, which carries across very long distances.

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Mr. Invisible
Mr. Invisible
Reply to  Captain Willard
7 hours ago

As soon as the USSR ceased to exist and the international Communist tendency became a joke confined to Freedom Rock dudes at card tables selling CPUSA literature and old Marx/Engels pamphlets in the West Village in NYC, all of the NATO-hating peaceniks and fellow travelers became warmongering maniacs. Actually, strike “became.” They always were. The critical error for 50 years was believing these people were harmless hippy-dippys, rather than commissars born too late. Now that they believe Russia is under the control of the Romanovs again, they have resumed their pre-1917 positions.

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  Mr. Invisible
7 hours ago

The narrative of the 20th century as some sort of great conflict between capitalism/freedom and communism/oppression was always false. Capitalism and communism are two sides of the same coin. The Cold War was about which globalist, hegemonic, all-encompassing authoritarian operation would win. We see it now, as the American system was fully unmasked after the USSR collapsed. There was only one legitimate competitor to this ideology and it is the one that lost the war and it was made illegal to support or promote it.

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Mr. Invisible
Mr. Invisible
Reply to  Mycale
7 hours ago

Exactly so. Capitalism was simply the far more efficient system at delivering consumable goods to the population, flexible, opportunistic, and unconstrained — most of the time — by some peasant strongman who’d managed to kill half the population to gain power. And it won. Once it had, the mask came off. Now Western governments — which had to spoil their domestic populations for 45 years in order to keep the “Commies coming over the Rio Grande” narrative alive — have turned on them with a viciousness, without a competitor state of comparable strength to worry about. We only got rare… Read more »

ray
ray
Reply to  Mr. Invisible
6 hours ago

Well said.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Mr. Invisible
5 hours ago

The army I was in (the 70s) was dominated by Southerners, not Irish and Italians. Y’all was common parlance.

Mr. Invisible
Mr. Invisible
Reply to  Dutchboy
3 hours ago

Well, Ike and JFK didn’t send in Southern men to forcefully integrate schools. Take a look at the pictures from Little Rock. Half of them look like the unwanted sons of Sicilian crime families.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Dutchboy
2 hours ago

The Spartan half of our culture no longer had the Klan available as a functional Grange, so they were drawn to the military tradition of male hierarchy. This is not to disparage the Klan. The were the most potent political arm of their time, with 20 million members from Michigan to Texas. The Southern Grange was thrown under the bus in one fell swoop in 1962, when angry white faces of the “Segregation tomorrow!” protests were highlighted in one of the first national broadcasts on early TV. Within 6 months, membership fell to 20,000 members, and the Usual Suspects who… Read more »

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Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Mycale
7 hours ago

It’s both entertaining and depressing to realize that the current “war” between nationalism and globalism, of which many are now aware, was actually fought 80 years ago, when few at the time were aware those were the stakes. Or those that were aware, were ruthlessly suppressed (nod to Ron Unz for documenting it)

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Mycale
5 hours ago

Capitalism and Socialism are G.K. Chesterton’s Hudge and Gudge. Both are the enemies of Jones, the common man.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Mr. Invisible
7 hours ago

The critical error for 50 years was believing these people were harmless hippy-dippys, rather than commissars born too late.

They are malignant narcissists and take the position that draws the most attention to themselves, whether by its opposition or its outrageousness. Their sole core belief is in their self-worth.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Jack Dodson
1 hour ago

Their sole core belief is in their self-worth.”

I disagree, generally those who believe in their own self worth aren’t searching for a cause to fulfill them.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Captain Willard
3 hours ago

Apparently, the Draft has just been rolled out across Europe.
The EU is about to have its Vietnam moment.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Captain Willard
18 minutes ago

Yes, the Reagan hate in Europe was insane, and the view of Americans as all hate-filled war hawks. All this, when I was just starting to discard the shackles of my liberal upbringing, greatly confused me. Getting accused of racism when their own towns were already filling up with pakis. Then the red balloon popped.

RealityRules
RealityRules
7 hours ago

Generational politics isn’t just stupid it is counter productive – at least for our side. Sitting around and lashing out at a giant wall of them is nothing more than a sign of impotence and a lack of will to do creative problem solving. The Heritage American is under seige as are all ethnic Europeans. Our homelands are being invaded and we have been assigned and for the most part, accepted the role as the villain in our own story and it is expected that we are merely to hand over our inheritance. There are smart, capable and well resourced… Read more »

Peter Piper
Peter Piper
Reply to  RealityRules
6 hours ago

When I hear or am scolded about my whiteness and how “they” want my demise, my standard response is “and then what?” The conversation goes no further. They seem to have discarded any semblance of long term thinking or planning.

Chris
Chris
Reply to  Peter Piper
5 hours ago

Because they aren’t capable of it.

Robbo
Robbo
Reply to  Peter Piper
3 hours ago

You can’t discard what you never had.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  RealityRules
6 hours ago

It was largely done to commoditize people. 

Excellent comment. People overlook it was started as a marketing ploy. Unfortunately, propaganda works.

ray
ray
Reply to  RealityRules
6 hours ago

Indeed.

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  RealityRules
6 hours ago

“Sadly, the striver class, university educated Boomers also introduced this mess by revolting against their parents, their countries and their entire civilizations.” This wasn’t their fault. They were the first generation to be raised in constant propaganda from all sides. The propaganda aimed at them was just that, aimed directly at them as a demographic. In schools (at all levels), in books, on the radio and especially the tee vee. This has largely continued right through to the generation in school now. Anyone who doubts the effectiveness of this should look at the current generation of kids with the mass… Read more »

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
5 hours ago

The monopoly TV of the past was a powerful propaganda weapon. Three networks, all run by Jews and all pushing the same line. A Catholic priest of the time called TV “the Jew in your living room.”

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
5 hours ago

This is true. The circumstances around their childhood and ascent were designed to put them in a mental prison. This is still true. I know Boomers who held out for a long long time. Bush II’s criminal cabal drove them over the edge. He and Cheney and the neo-cons actions were so brazenly immoral that I witnessed many Boomers cave to the social pressure of remaining on that side. Then, their churches went. Like most, they side with power and the morality that power pushes. It is truly tragic to see people who remained somewhat spiritually healthy for 65+ years… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  RealityRules
4 hours ago

And, yet, just as with masks and jabs, ultimately the choice is yours. Some should be drawn and quartered for creating those kinds of pressures, yes, but you are either a man of principle or you are not.

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  Steve
4 hours ago

One must have good information to make sound choices. They were deprived of this good information. They were bombarded with propaganda.

One can make the case with covid that good information was out there, just not promoted by mainstream sources. But this was 2020-2023 when sources of information were no longer just a few sanctioned sources.

Robbo
Robbo
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 hours ago

I’m not so sure. Concerning the jabs, I noticed that many intellectual types went full jab Nazi while other more “inferior” people didn’t. The latter didn’t have any “good” info about the jabs, but they had plenty of common sense and strong instincts.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 hours ago

Disagree. Strongly. No matter how hard they tried, the reality of both the demographics and disease statistics of Diamond Princess, what got the ball rolling here in the States, was available by mid-April. CDC’s own internal journal was available on it’s main page, and understandable by any half-ass high school graduate with access to a dictionary, i.e., the internet.

It was each person’s willful decision to take the easy route and listen to the hersterics that is to blame.

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  Steve
2 hours ago

I hope you understand I was talking about 2 different groups of people. The first paragraph was the boomers who existed in a milieu of “progressivism” and where an easily accessible source of proper information wasn’t easily available.

The second set is the covid stuff. Getting good or at least better information in 2022/2023 was just a lot easier than it was for a 6 year old in 1951.

You just cannot compare these two groups, even if there is some overlap (people who were 6 in 51 were 77 in 2022).

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
1 hour ago

OK, my bad.

ray
ray
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
33 minutes ago

You had 3 tv networks and the local paper back then. Occasionally somebody also subscribed to the regional city paper like S.F. Chronicle or N.Y. Times.

Few sources, often pre-cooked information. The lies about the wars were among the greatest scams.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Steve
3 hours ago

Everybody on this thread is correct. I think this is why the generational blame game is in the end a waste of time. No doubt the boomers ran the biggest face plant in the history of human civilization. But they inherited it from their parents who inherited it from their parents … … European nobles and true elites were having these conversations in the 18th and 19th century. The face plant is epic. At this point we just have to find whoever we have who is on side and join shoulders in a shield wall and get to safety. We… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Steve
2 hours ago

“you are either a man of principle or you are not.” I hear you, but am not so convinced it’s as “simple” as that. Suppose you and the family were at an amusement park and a group of ferals attacked you? Sure, you’d stand in front and do your best to protect them. That is your prime purpose as head of family. Now a more common scenario. You work for a living and collect a paycheck—which provides the sole family substance. You are mandated to wear a mask and get the jab or face termination. What do you do? I… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Compsci
2 hours ago

That’s why I’m always grousing about the disappearance of Main Street. It’s not like history started April, 2020. At least a couple decades of your own decisions preceded that. Granted you maybe got bad advice along the way, but ultimately, you made the decision to make yourself and your family vulnerable.

It’s not like the writing hasn’t been on the wall for the last 20 years, either. We’ve been living on borrowed time since at least the ’70s. We either man up or go extinct.

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ray
ray
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
4 hours ago

Booms were the first fully conditioned generation, yep.

ray
ray
7 hours ago

‘Make a generalization about baby boomers and you get flooded with boomers telling you that they are not like that.’

I’m not like that.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  ray
7 hours ago

Hahaha

Ketchup-stained Griller
Ketchup-stained Griller
Reply to  ray
5 hours ago

IMAGO

David Wright
David Wright
8 hours ago

Your assessment of Millennials is quite a reach if not interesting. After Boomers they get a lot of hate, much from Zoomers.

Funny how GenX people are getting the boomer hate because they are finding out it’s just blame on all old people. If you think the current old people are bad, wait till you get the next wave and so on.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  David Wright
7 hours ago

Exactly. It is just the impotent looking for someone to blame. It is the same mentality as blaming Whitey. Except, Whitey can’t afford to divide himself blaming entire generations anymore.

Mr. Invisible
Mr. Invisible
Reply to  RealityRules
6 hours ago

The Boomers blame everything on those beneath them generationally. Let’s not use strawmen, shall we? “The impotent.” Do the Boomers know that they will need people to care for them soon? Or will they be able to do that “on their own,” too? You know, walk into the nursing home, stare the boss in the face, give them a firm handshake, and get the best suite in the building?

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Mr. Invisible
6 hours ago

My point wasn’t about Boomers per se. It was about the mentality of blaming an entire generational cohort for a mess. Is an army or battalion that sits around and blames everyone else for a mess they are in acting with agency or are they rendering themselves impotent by assigning blame? That isn’t to say there isn’t blame that is deserving. It is to say, that what is more important is getting out of the mess. Maybe, just may even if 8 of the 10 commanders are to blame there are 2 good ones who can help you get out… Read more »

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  RealityRules
5 hours ago

The roots of our decline are deep. What’s past is prologue.

Tom K
Tom K
Reply to  Mr. Invisible
5 hours ago

walk into the nursing home, stare the boss in the face, give them a firm handshake, and get the best suite in the building

You got a “chuckle” out of me. Hey, that’s what I plan to do. I mean my millennial offspring are not gonna do that for me ya know. and I deserve the best suite in the building. What’s that smell? Oh sorry, it’s me crapping my pants. I’ll take whatever you got.

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Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  David Wright
5 hours ago

Yes.

When you Bash The Boomer, remember that GenX’ers did nothing to stop the ethnic replacement and – arguably worse – we invented and taught our kids to play computer games. We might as well have introduced them to fentanyl.

They’re not going to go easy on us when they come to our door to demand we hand over those ill-begotten windfalls that hit us during the IT-explosion.

Mycale
Mycale
7 hours ago

Also note a lot of millennials entered the job market in the 2007-2010 timeframe and well it wrecked their entire career. And nobody ever really apologized for it or changed things. At least the calamities of the 1930s and 1940s led to some material prosperity for the average person. But young people in that horrible first term Obama economy were just told to look the recruiter in the eye and give them a firm handshake or whatever. That is what made millennials so resentful of boomers. and, you know, nothing has changed since. I have read several articles in the… Read more »

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Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Mycale
6 hours ago

Older millenials were permanently scarred by that. The corresponding generation that came of age during GD 1.0 was by this point well into the WW2 boom/postwar boom that kind of made up for it. Nothing like that has happened for millenials. And almost certainly won’t. Except for the ones smart/lucky enough to get into crypto early.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Mycale
4 hours ago

“Also note a lot of millennials entered the job market in the 2007-2010 timeframe and well it wrecked their entire career.”

Propaganda works. Do you really believe it’s always been sunshine and rainbows for everyone else?

The Great Recession was primarily hard on those who had bought into the funny munny scam of the stock market. Companies who were not operating clear out on the margins did fine. It was, in fact, better than the boom times. The more profligate companies had to sell off assets for pennies on the dollar.

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Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  Steve
3 hours ago

If you bought stock in, say, 2009, you did very well. Which of course a 25 year old millennial could not do because they had no money. And there was a fat bailout waiting for your company if your company was big enough and dumb enough.

At no point did I say that nobody suffered but young millennials. But young millennials did suffer and their anger towards the economic situation was funneled towards the Great Awokening when it got too much to handle for the elites.

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Steve
Steve
Reply to  Mycale
3 hours ago

I’m not talking about making money in stocks. The stock market is a scam. One you can make money on, to be sure, but largely in the same way you make money betting on sports — someone covers your bet. I was talking about why the “crash” was both as steep and short as it was. The companies who were not big enough for bailouts had to sell assets at fire sale prices. More prudent companies had cash, and were able to expand for pennies on the dollar. This was the ideal time to start your own company. Assuming, of… Read more »

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
7 hours ago

“No one has time for the hysterical and childish politics of the AOC side when there is work to be done, debts to be paid and institutions to be restructured”

Those are all noble goals.

What do they do, however, when nobility is dead and:
Work = “ask ChatGPT to create a report”;
Debt = “$549 squid-gorillion Joe Bucks; and,
Institutions = The DMV run by sassy blacks and pajeets so that aliens are given driver’s licenses and whites are given Covid jabs.

Female hysteria is nothing compared to a “burn it all $#@!ing down” attitude.

Shotgun Messenger
Shotgun Messenger
6 hours ago

It is 1993. The president was born in 1946.
It is 2001. The president was born in 1946.
It is 2008. The president was born in 1946.
It is 2017. The president was born in 1946.
It is 2025. The president was born in 1946.

Ann Coulter
Ann Coulter
Reply to  Shotgun Messenger
5 hours ago

It is 2009. The president’s handlers were born in 1946.

Compsci
Compsci
5 hours ago

“Vance versus AOC is a duel between competence and anxiety.” I believe you overlook one important difference wrt Millennials—tertiary education. Millennials are the most degreed cohort ever birthed. That is to say, 40+% have post high school “degrees” of some sort. This is a product of their Boomer parents, who themselves did not achieve such, but did provide the resources and encouragement to their offspring to achieve this “golden ticket”. Of course, this makes a farce of a college degree since there really are many fewer Millennials who can make good use of such an advanced education. The university system quickly adapted to the lack… Read more »

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wxtwxtr
wxtwxtr
7 hours ago

Aren’t “the Boomers” (entire culture) a creation of the Dulles brother’s Subproject 58 and “weaponized anthropology”? Sex and drugs and rock and roll?
And didn’t The Fourth Turning book paint the Millennials as the return of the greatest generation?

ray
ray
Reply to  wxtwxtr
4 hours ago

‘Aren’t “the Boomers” (entire culture) a creation of the Dulles brother’s Subproject 58 and “weaponized anthropology”?’

Yes. And ever so much more!

A study of the Dulles brothers reveals a great deal about true America.

Horace
Horace
7 hours ago

“Millennial politics could be the domination of the organizational men, who take pride in making the machine operate and have no tolerance for throwing sand in the gears.” That is my greatest fear. Into whose organizational pattern will the machine be made to operate? I don’t want the goddamn evil Jewish pattern that America has been mutilated into repaired enough so that it can be put on life support, stumbling down the civilizational road several more decades so that my generation can have stable IRA’s and stock options and the rest of the paraphernalia of grift and parasitism. It needs… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
7 hours ago

Generational politics is the elite’s way of making sure younger people never grow up and accept their parents weren’t perfect. That leads to wisdom and contentment and emotional freedom, and we can’t have that, so always making sure the inevitable wounds of a vulnerable little lamb introduced into a world of wolves never heal. emotional warfare and abuse. It’s non-stop. It starts by selling the youth on some kind of utopia out there waiting for them when they get older, and when you fail in your pursuit of some fabricated land of make believe the media has sold you on,… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Falcone
5 hours ago

Generational politics is the elite’s way of making sure younger people never grow up and accept their parents weren’t perfect. It doesn’t help that the parents are hanging around for longer. My theory is that you don’t become a real adult before you’ve seen both your parents in the ground, and it dawns on you that you’re now expected to act the part of Wise Elder. This used to happen when you were in your forties, in peak economic form and mental acuity, but now when parents live into their nineties, you’re sixty or more when you get handed the… Read more »

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Melissa
Melissa
8 hours ago

A study of history can bring both hope and despair. It’s maddening to read about all the unnecessary loss from WW1 and WW2. It took 800 years for the Spaniards to kick out the moors. These younger generations are providing much hope for the future, despite the fact that the older generations have selfishly plundered. Many young men are questioning narratives and seeking answers and they have access to so much information. My son had a few friends over the other night (early 20’s) and they were talking about dreams of one day being able to afford to buy a… Read more »

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Melissa
8 hours ago

You talk about history, but does your grasp of it only cover WW1 and 2? I assure you, most people who worked in industrial america from the 1870’s up until the end of WW2 were not very different then your son. Read about the families living in the cities about five familys to a tenement. We’re going back to the future, while those at the top have everyone arguing about how many genders we have and who should be allowed to use what bathroom. In a sense we are reverting to the mean. The post WW2 era was the exception.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Melissa
7 hours ago

This gives an excellent perspective:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_This_Furnace

Melissa
Melissa
Reply to  Mr. House
5 hours ago

Thank you, Mr. House.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Melissa
5 hours ago

Even in as controlled a market as exists now, price is based on both supply and demand. Demand grows every year. The high point in housing starts was the early ’70s, so supply has been shrinking since then.

There are a few of us tail-end boomers who could be putting on roofing, but construction is really a young man’s game. Housing was within our grasp because we had young men building houses.

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ray
ray
Reply to  Steve
4 hours ago

. . . and now you have young women getting all the education and employment slots, while young men are shoved aside and called ‘dangerous incels’ and ‘oppressors’.

Gee. I wonder why U.S. society is corrupt, uncreative, and a failure. Whatever could the reason be, hmmm…..

Steve
Steve
Reply to  ray
2 hours ago

Don’t make the mistake of equating a degree with the quality of a man. That’s Scarecrow thinking from Wizard of Oz.

A contractor with a decade under his belt can have an Escalade for a work “truck” and maybe a Ferrari for fun. If he’s spent his time since HS exercising his mind in addition, he has his choice of quality women.

To a competent horseman, it’s the spirited mares that are the most fun, and the best “match” for him.

ray
ray
Reply to  Steve
28 minutes ago

Yeah why don’t I go work on my, uh, Scarecrow Thinking from the Wizard of Oz there, Steve.

I’ll be sure to come to you first when I need sound counsel.

TomC
TomC
9 hours ago

Boomer Michael Douglass in Falling Down has a run in with an old golfer who tells him get off his lawn. The irony..

Dr. Dre
Dr. Dre
Reply to  TomC
7 hours ago

Actually, Michael Douglas, actor and son of Kirk, was born in late 1944, so he’s no Boomer, more like a “War Baby”; I was one, too, and my mother used to call me that. She worked as a volunteer Red Cross Nurse’s Aid at a small hospital right outside NYC during WWII. Most of the RNs were serving over in Europe’s War Zone, so Mom had lots of responsibilities including helping obstetricians deliver babies.

David Wright
Member
Reply to  TomC
7 hours ago

Just a movie as my dad would say

Whiskey
3 hours ago

Interestingly, Trump had an Oval Office moment of truth with South Africa’s President (a man with a name filled only with vowels). He showed all the mass graves, the South African politicians, and even more tellingly the crowds of hundred of thousands blacks calling for killing all the Whites. Handed the President a stack of press reports printed out of White South Africans being killed. South Africa is passling laws forbidding Whites from leaving, and classifying them as traitors. So the plans are firming up. South Africa also was in the forefront of charging Israel with Genocide in the International… Read more »

Whiskey
4 hours ago

FWIW, for reasons I will leave out, I am in a social context with a lot of millenial Jewish dudes. They are very interesting. First, they know and are unhappy that the jobs their parents had: lawyers, doctors, bureaucrats, will not and are not available to them because of being both Jewish and White. Second, their response is to create their own business as a means of “freedom.” Freedom from what amounts to cubicle serfdom, freedom from Woke imposed limits on their ability to move up the social hierarchy, freedom from having to care about the Woke mob. I think… Read more »

A Bad Man
Member
Reply to  Whiskey
2 hours ago

I too have had many associations with Chews. I could care less that one cohort is cannibalizing the other. In fact, best to cheer it on, like the left eating the left.

My experience with them, plentiful. My take, whiny, efffeminate. Weak. Passive agrressive. The men all seem to have 2 kids, and one is ‘special’ needs. It is remarkable.

Lots of irritable bowel, depression. You keep them, sir.

Thomas Mcleod
Thomas Mcleod
8 hours ago

As much as we all deride generational politics, there is something there. My old man is a late Silent, but all of his cousins are Boomers. Even though there is not an extreme age difference, there is a WIDE gulf between their perceptions of the world. My own children are GenZ, but all their cousins are Millennials, and there is, yet again, a wide gulf between them. I have often felt, without evidence, that there is some sort of a loose generation connection: Lost to Silent to X to Z and “greatest” to Boomer to Millennial.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Thomas Mcleod
7 hours ago

Gen Z is the first generation that grew up with smart phones. Millenials are the last generation with a somewhat normal childhood.

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  Thomas Mcleod
7 hours ago

A millennial childhood was closer to the childhood of someone in the 1950s than it was to what a zoomer childhood was like.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Mycale
5 hours ago

I can pretty muchpinpoint where it all went wrong: it was those handheld LCD-games. I was a boy scout back then, and we used to run around setting fire to stuff, starting rock slides, building dams that’d flood roads and make camp fires that’d cover an entire county in fat, yellow smoke.

But that changed in a matter of months when those early handheld game came, we’d just lie in our tents all day, punching the retard machines.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 hours ago

TV preceded the handheld games. We didn’t learn our lesson then and even proceeded to extend portability of the toxic devices to all. Cell phone “games” I’d say rank second or third down the list of toxic use of the technology. Media like Tik-Tok and just plain ridiculous social exchanges like text messaging would seem higher on the main use list. Be that as it may, there are solutions if one is wise/steongenough. Our grandchildren for example are not allowed the use of any of these devices. Age of consent being placed by family at 14. Not sure even this… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Compsci
3 hours ago

Yes, the electric Jew was pure neurotoxin, in many ways worse than games and social media: at least you interact with games but with TV, you just sit there, slack-jawed and flat-lined, the message slipping right past your conscious self and entering the subconscious unfiltered.

But gaming is way more addictive than the telly. And the problem with restricting gaming for the kids is, that when all their friends are online, you’re cutting your kids off from socializing with them. You can’t tell them to go play with their friends because all their friends are sat before the screen.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Felix Krull
3 hours ago

Setting a 21 drinking age just turned campuses into free-wheeling bacchanalia. Kids never learned to drink responsibly, and it shows.

We decided to take the opposite route — gaming with family. Tabletop and computer. Now that they are on their own, they have no problems keeping their gaming in perspective. They had a good formative experience with it.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Steve
2 hours ago

If alcohol was invented today, we’d ban it, and gaming is as bad as alcohol.

The dirty secret about gaming is that (like television) it conveniently allows you to switch off the kids for a few hours.

Ann Coulter
Ann Coulter
8 hours ago

here is another relevant post – https://www.oftwominds.com/blogmay25/math-doesnt-work5-25.html Boomers, Let’s Face It: The Math Doesn’t Work “I am a Boomer, drawing my Social Security benefit, which like my lifetime income, is close to the national median SSA benefit. I’m solidly in the middle of the pack. Being over the age of 65, I also have Medicare benefits. Like many others of my generation, I’ve lived frugally, saved money, worked hard, etc. Since I’m still working, I pay Social Security and Medicare taxes–15.3% of all earned income as I am self-employed.” “Capital (assets, income from capital gains, speculation and investments) only pays… Read more »

Ann Coulter
Ann Coulter
Reply to  Ann Coulter
8 hours ago

Zman, would you please delete this duplicate post?

VinnyVette9340
VinnyVette9340
Reply to  Ann Coulter
6 hours ago

In typical boomer fashion it’s all about you.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  VinnyVette9340
5 hours ago

Did you bother to read it, or was it just beyond your comprehension? I believe that’s Charles Hughes something’s blog. He’s talking about how to fix it going forward, though it won’t work the way he thinks because the people he wants to tax have the money to pay accountants and attorneys to make sure they get the same tax breaks Congresscritters get.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  VinnyVette9340
1 hour ago

Now come on people- that was funny. A quick-witted bon mot.
And get off my lawn!

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Ketchup-stained Griller
Ketchup-stained Griller
6 hours ago

Trump often brings up the abhorrent loss of life in the Ukraine. In fairness.

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
7 hours ago

Vance was raised by his grandmother who undoubtedly never heard the word parenting. So there is hope.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  MikeCLT
7 hours ago

This is probably an underrated factor in how he turned out

JaG
JaG
8 hours ago

It’s a noteworthy topic for a variety of reasons. I was pointed to the fact that Generation X (a small cohort) is paying for the Boomers (a big cohort) and a such it strains the safety nets of medicare and SS. Medical advances are such that they are living longer too, increasing the misery. One that doesn’t involve the U.S. is the one child policy in China. We are now starting to see the fruits of that terrible decision (the sparrow thing was the worst, this it top 5).

Rented mule
Rented mule
8 hours ago

Day of the pillow?

Pretty sure you missed the point.

I hope J.D. is able to get the baton

The degenerate dupes despite being dimwitted are criminaly underhanded.

It seems that most of the time thats all it takes

iForgotmyPen
iForgotmyPen
2 hours ago

I could be mistaken, but isn’t the number 6 million copyrighted?

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
5 hours ago

At least we Boomers had the example of our GG parents, a relatively patriotic and virtuous group. Those qualities have waned significantly and the coming generations are the worse for it. Perhaps we will be like the Emperor Tiberius, who some thought chose Caligula as his successor so that he himself would be missed by the Roman people.

Hokkoda
Member
3 hours ago

Don’t forget, boomers are partly the grandparents of millennials. Their older siblings many of their parents are GenX, America’s latch key generation of cynical, sarcastic, anti authoritarians. Helicopter parenting was an overcorrection for the nearly complete lack of adult supervision of the 70’s and 80’s in which GenX was raised. I don’t mean that parents weren’t involved. It’s that parents weren’t obsessed with controlling all outcomes, and were so focused on material wealth that they left dinner in the fridge for GenX. Professional clubs replaced parent-run baseball leagues of the 70’s, for example. For all their self aggrandizement that they’re… Read more »

Zorro, the lesser 'Z' Man
Zorro, the lesser 'Z' Man
9 hours ago

The party is absolutely over. It’s time to bring on The Day of the Pillow. No doubt the boomers will fight and scream and kick all the way.

One of my favorite essays on the subject:
https://jmpolemic.substack.com/p/vassal-of-the-boomer-regime

Mr. Invisible
Mr. Invisible
Reply to  Zorro, the lesser 'Z' Man
7 hours ago

Upvoted. The truth hurts some, I guess: “Boomers possess a mindset of relentless individualism and self-indulgence. The only God-given right and duty of each person is to find and express their ‘authentic selves’, and to buy as many things and vacations and accumulate as much privilege as they possibly can, without acknowledging the costs of these things on the wider society, or the loss for younger generations (which, as we’ll see, are enormous). If capitalist discipline helps the Boomer, the Boomer will be for it. If massively expensive medical programs and unsustainable retirement offerings will help the Boomer, the Boomer… Read more »

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Zorro, the lesser 'Z' Man
6 hours ago

Did you even read this essay, or do you just post “Day of the Pillow” whenever you see the word “boomer”?

You get your DOP. Now what?

How tiresome.

Filthie
Filthie
Member
Reply to  ProZNoV
6 hours ago

Agreed. This day of the pillow nonsense was started by that faggot, Vox Day and now all his cellar dwelling fan bois and incels are using it.

The oldest Boomers are now in their 80s. Grow up – people start getting old and stupid at that age. It happens to everyone – except guys like Peter Pan and Vox Day who’ve made the conscious choice to never grow up.

A lot of Boomer stupidity is driven by losing their marbles with advanced age. I suppose I shouldn’t be a dink myself…caring for the elderly is extremely challenging sometimes.

Ann Coulter
Ann Coulter
8 hours ago

While the essay captures the mood of generational friction, it trades analytical depth for polemic, and that undermines its more interesting insights. It offers a sweeping and often cynical view of generational politics, but it suffers from several critical flaws. First, it relies heavily on generalizations that, while rhetorically effective, lack nuance. Reducing baby boomers to “greedy geezers” and millennials to anxious conformists ignores the diversity of experience and ideology within both groups. These broad strokes obscure more than they reveal. The essay also treats historical and cultural shifts as though they are solely driven by generational identity, ignoring the… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Ann Coulter
8 hours ago

Alright, who let in the first-year grad student?

CorkyAgain
CorkyAgain
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
4 hours ago

It’s an AI. Or more precisely, an LLM. There’s nothing intelligent about it.

btp
Member
Reply to  Ann Coulter
8 hours ago

Completely agree! Why wasn’t this blog post a 100,000 word book, instead?!?!

Eddie Coyle
Eddie Coyle
Reply to  Ann Coulter
7 hours ago

Please, please don’t post this twice too.

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
Reply to  Ann Coulter
7 hours ago

Sorry “Ann” that our host’s observations are not up to your exacting standards.

We should be safe from Big Tech if this is the best AI can produce.

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Ann Coulter
7 hours ago

If you posted this under Phil Coulter you would have gotten more upvotes.

Mr. Invisible
Mr. Invisible
Reply to  Ann Coulter
7 hours ago

Don’t use AI to write comments. It’s obvious.

Ann Coulter
Ann Coulter
Reply to  Ann Coulter
7 hours ago

It is AI-generated and so was yesterday’s comment.

https://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=34183#comment-458055

I was just testing whether AI could write decent comments after seeing many here pointing out that “Greg” was AI-generated. This will be the last time.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ann Coulter
5 hours ago

I think it’s a good experiment. However, it is interruptive of the general purpose of today’s commentary and discussion.

Ann Coulter
Ann Coulter
Reply to  Compsci
4 hours ago

agree. There will be no more.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Ann Coulter
1 hour ago

I just knew there was a Wizard behind that curtain!
I was afraid you’d been kidnapped, or even “retired” by your creation.

Last edited 1 hour ago by Alzaebo
Steve
Steve
Reply to  Ann Coulter
5 hours ago

That would work fine on a different blog, probably. It’s just that here, it’s too obviously trained from popular pablum.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Steve
2 hours ago

Exactly. The LLM is derived from some “synthesis” of the general thinking of the masses—and this group is anything but that. Hence it stood out immediately. Even yesterday’s post, that I missed, got negative response. Today’s, with subtle/implied denouncement of Z-man, got even more (as would be expected).

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Ann Coulter
1 hour ago

Jeebus. ChatGPT has become self-aware.