Some say the world will end in fire,Some say in ice.From what I’ve tasted of desireI hold with those who favor fire.But if it had to perish twice,I think I know enough of hateTo say that for destruction iceIs also greatAnd would suffice.–Some Old White Guy
Spend any time around our nation’s ghettos and you quickly become a believer in Smart Fraction Theory. You often hear people say that the problem in the ghetto is a lack of good role models and most people take that literally, but it’s really just a polite way of saying that there are few smart people. Smart people not only make smart decisions, they mitigate the dumb decisions of others. Often, they take up positions of authority so they can prevent the dumb people from doing dumb things. Someone has to affix those stupid warning labels on products.
Another way to think of it is anti-personnel weapons. Ambush weapons are often designed to wound, not kill, enemy soldiers. A wounded soldier requires medical care. He may also require transport out of the area. Even if it does not halt the advance of the unit, care for the wounded will slow the advance and render the unit less effective. Stupid people have the same effect as wounded soldiers. It’s that they are a non-contributor to society. It’s that they are often a net negative, dragging down society, which is why Ayn Rand wanted to exterminate them.
America, like every Western country, has loads of smart, altruistic people, in addition to lots of middling people. Our Smart Fraction is large relative to places like Africa. This means we can carry a large number of low-IQ violent losers. America is the richest country on earth, despite having a population that is 13% African, because we have recruited the best and brightest from Europe over the last two centuries. Now we are skimming off the best Asians for settlement here.
That’s the theory. People in the cognitive sciences, when drunk or outside the wire, will tell you that you need an average IQ of about 94 to run anything resembling a modern economy. Pakistan with an average IQ of 84 is never going to leave the Iron Age because they lack the human capital. They have some very bright people, but not enough of them. Those smart people are overwhelmed by the teeming hordes of low-IQ hyper-violent mouth breathers from the hills, which is why those bright people flee to Europe.
Even if you reject biology as an explanation, travel a little bit and you soon figure out that there is a limit to the number of dysfunctional people a society can carry before it sinks. The debate, if there is one, is whether this can be arrested or whether technology can mitigate it. In the robot future, for example, the stupid will have their own robot custodian to keep them on the straight and narrow. Or, better training will raise up the stupid making them less stupid. Either way, there is some limit to the number of unproductive a society can carry and everyone gets it. People have always known this.
This long wind up is not in support of sterilizing Hillary Clinton voters, even though that would be a good idea. This is a post about the Zika Virus and similar plagues. What if something like Zika gets lose in the West and dramatically increases the number of pinheads? What if the smart, fearing they may birth a pinhead, further reduce their fertility? It would not take but a generation or two to significantly alter the cognitive profile of society. Further, this weakening of the West would reduce the global carry capacity.
When we think of the collapse of civilization, it is always nuclear war, economic collapse or the zombie apocalypse. What if it happens slower? Some new virus increases the number of unproductive, crazy and violent to the point where they begin to drag down society as a whole. The elites will withdraw behind their walls, but that does not change the facts on the ground. The West would eventually reach the point where it could no longer hold back the barbarian tide. This cascading effect would further reduce global carrying capacity.
It is easy to forget that those billion or so sub-Saharan Africans depend on food and medicine from the West. If that flow stops, they are instantly past their Malthusian limit and you get some combination of mass starvation, Hobbesian violence and mass migration out of Africa. The same is true of the Middle East. Even South America, which has made great strides in food production, still depends on a strong West to remain stable. Just look at Brazil if you want to see how fragile these countries are under the skin.
Here’s another thought. When scarcity was real, people, even the poorest, especially the poorest, had little sentimentality toward the weak. They could not afford to have sentimentality. Newborns with defects were euthanized. The old we left to die. The sick were put out of their misery. It’s a ghastly thing for modern, post-scarcity, humans to contemplate, but it was a necessary reality for most of human history. What if some disease like Zika spreads, resulting in a swelling population of pinheads?
I’m not making any predictions on this. Maybe humanity would quickly respond. Maybe we have lost the capacity to survive when facing real scarcity. There is no way to know. It’s hard to imagine a society that celebrates grief and victim-hood quickly shifting to cold-blooded realism, but maybe nature finds a way. Reality is, after all, that thing that never goes away when you stop believing in it. The reality of life is survival trumps everything, even familial love. Still, one has to wonder if the post-scarcity world is a trap of our own design.
Some new virus increases the number of unproductive, crazy and violent to the point where they begin to drag down society as a whole.
The combination of PC, statism and the new diseases brought by globalization serves the same purpose. We cannot even discuss the pathologies that are dragging down the West. The lower 1/2 are going to drown us. And the ones who think they are smart are proving to just have nice pants creases.
It isn’t just that the stupid (or the low-IQ) will drag us down but that humankind will separate into factions. The bright will occupy one place, the less-bright another and while the less-bright will breed without thinking they will eliminate their own in all sorts of fun ways. The problem though is that today we have the semi-bright (aka the Elite) making political hay not with the brights but with the dum-dums lower down the ladder. Vote for me and you will have everything you ever wanted, and as the votes keep rolling in — despite no one ‘down below’… Read more »
The top and bottom versus the middle has worked for a long while now, but I’m reminded off the Mongol invasion of Mesopotamia. The Arabs had buffer states between them and the Mongols. Instead of strengthening these states, they raided them. Eventually, these buffer states collapsed leaving the path open for the Mongols. The Western elites seem to be convinced they can stand without a middle class buffer. Maybe they just don’t think much about it. I read elite media and I come away with the impression that these are people oblivious to what’s happening outside their bubble. History is… Read more »
Mayor Bloomberg got that keeping functional public school options and a reasonable crime rate in NYC preserved a middle class that could act as a physical buffer between bad neighborhoods and the rich ones, in addition to providing a functional population and some marginal tax dollars. He was, in essence, a liberal who got the joke. Talk a good line about equality and progressivism, and then govern on behalf of the rich and their middle class vassals. De Blasio, in contrast, is a liberal who doesn’t get the joke. My working to middle class neighborhood is already starting to turn… Read more »
I’m not sure whether any politicians “get” the degree to which NYC has become a barbell economy. At my prior firm, we worked for years to methodically shift middle class jobs out of the city and NY in general and relocate elsewhere, mostly VA, TX, and AZ. The tax, CoL and regulatory burden was just too expensive. When I left, NYC employment was 10% of what it was in the mid-90s. Only highly compensated “rainmaker” jobs were left. New firm is the same. Probably more so. And it’s a small enough crew that it could be evacuated elsewhere in a… Read more »
We’ve lived here four years and I’m just…done. We’re stuck in the greater metro area unless I can convince my husband to change careers, but if it were up to me, we’d bolt the region entirely. My whole life here feels like a case of “it shouldn’t be this hard, should it?” We have a good income and are frugal, and despite saving a lot, I don’t feel financial security. It’s hard for me to find a safe place for my baby to play outside. Navigating the city via mass transit is a constant headache. Nothing functions efficiently. The subway… Read more »
Seems to me its not New York you’re tired of, but living in a third world city that you’re tired of.
From Gagdad Bob: “Over the years I have had the opportunity to conduct psychological evaluations of people from third-world and non-western cultures, and it is often so ridiculous as to be comical. Here I am, deploying concepts and techniques designed for modern, self-aware, neurotically conflicted westerners, on people who don’t even know they have a mind. I remember evaluating a recent immigrant from the deepest interior of China. He grew up a peasant in conditions hardly different from 500 or a 1000 years ago. No offense, but his worldspace was so narrow that he simply had no words for concepts… Read more »
Gagdad Bob is pretty awesome. A mind-sink for me. I get stuck reading his stuff because there is so much to absorb. Same happens to me here. Thanks Z-man.
Leftists can have a high IQ (I know lots) but they are killing the golden goose. Low IQ types are the willing army of the leftists. Medium IQ types make the world work (the yeoman farmer and small entrepreneur).
I was writing in 2001-02 that if Al Qaeda could establish its caliphate, then you were looking at deaths in the range of 100’s of millions for the reasons you outline in your post, Zman.
I have children and fighting to maintain a functional United States is not an abstract concept for me. Globalist policies will destroy the centers of functionality (US, Europe, East Asia) and send us back to the late Iron Age if we’re lucky. The damage sustained during the collapse will reduce the carrying capacity to well below what Earth could handle around 1600.
Keep in mind that the so called compassionate people keeping all the savages fed *today* are not actually compassionate, and will quite happily — and efficiently — stick them in the ground when food and so forth gets tight.
My husband and I were talking about how brutal old punishments used to be. Grand larceny, which was a theft of something $50 or more in value, was punished by death or deportation in England back in the time of the American colonies. But then it was an environment of extraordinary scarcity, and you’re not wasting limited food on rapists and such. I remember the swine flu panic when people were FURIOUS that prisoners were getting priority for vaccines. The public health logic was that illness spreads quickly in an institution. The public’s logic was that criminal lives were less… Read more »
Not just crime – the punishments for “vicious” behaviour, or indulging in vice, were brutal too. Nobody today can even imagine that there was ever a reason for such a thing. They assume our ancestors were just stupid and hated pleasure. But in a world of scarcity, having a slutty daughter could be a death sentence for an entire family. If she’s known to be loose, no decent man will want her, and she’ll be on her parents’ hands for life. And if she gets knocked up she’s producing another mouth to feed, with no man to help with the… Read more »
You got a problem wit dis?
http://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/hogarth-gin-lane-t01799
Karl – I have always maintained the real ‘Zombies’ shall be the low IQ, low skilled lower 1/2 of the Bell Curve population fleeing the inner cities if things go pear shaped. Say “One Second After” for reference.
They will be useful for one of two things – labor or fertilizer. No, I am not a nice person.
Solve food first.
The Big Sort.
“This leads directly to the problem of the Big Sort. Recall that in the 1950s and 196s there was a decent paying job for most everyone, from low to to high IQ. But now, more than ever, we have a “knowledge-based” economy with a cratered middle and mostly low wage service jobs at the bottom. This means that the economy is efficiently — ruthlessly — sorting people by intelligence, with predictable results.”
Again, the unpaid thinkers are my favorites!
I still marvel at how “service” was redefined in the gas pump business. Used to be someone would clean your windshield, check your engine oil (to sell you oil of course), check tire air pressure for safety, etc. while filling your tank. However, in the drive to “maximize profits” the consumer was told they were better off and would realize lower prices with “self-service” pumps. Now that may not be a high skilled job but it does provide value, would employ many, and could develop customer loyalty for a few pennies a gallon (to my thinking). But I guess those… Read more »
I think the problem is our evolved definition of what is considered ‘acceptable’ employment. Our abundance and prosperity has not only changed our work ethic it has redefined how we determine what kind of labor is beneath our intelligence. I have quite a few stories but one stands out. We have had our windows cleaned once or twice a year by the same man for at least a decade. He started his window cleaning business when he couldn’t get a job in his credentialed field. He needed to feed his family. Quietly and efficiently he does the job and gets… Read more »
Here’s my scary thought for the day: we have people incapable of feeding themselves. My grandparents had gardens. My mom knew how to preserve and can. I know how to butcher animals and keep food without refrigeration. We have folks in this country that don’t even know how to take dry beans and cook them, or make bread from flour. They have no idea how much food they would need to make it through a year. Those all seem like very basic skills to me.
It has probably changed since the industrial revolution but I wouldn’t doubt that the 80/20 rule has always applied. That is, 20% have been responsible for taking care of the 80% throughout history, as a general rule. Count out the elderly for the most part, and young children, the hunter does the gathering while the women folk did the tending. Lives were shorter, fighting more frequent, life more violent on a daily basis, sickness a constant companion, food scarcity a constant. So good for you. Teach your family and friends what you know and benefit someone else instead of gloating.… Read more »
And further, what is the effect of evolution on the pinheads? For example, were the first Jews, Germans and Gaels to interact with the Romans also low IQ, impulsive and violent? I think so.
What happened? I suspect it was the Roman policy to kill stupids as fast as possible, a policy we do not share, but which Mr. Heinlein, correctly I think, says that the universe approves of.
Z-man says: “What if something like Zika gets loose in the West and dramatically increases the number of pinheads?” Ha, ha! They say we joke about that which pains us and I am sorry, but that is some funny sh*t right there. To The Powers That Be, I believe we are all considered as “useless eaters” ready for the slaughter. In the end, the ultimate goal of the “ruling class” is global domination via Agenda 21, the demise of constitutional law and nationalism, depopulation and, ultimately the administration of their satanic 10 commandments as outlined in the Georgia Guidestones. For… Read more »
The real questions we need to deal with, and which Mr. Heinlein dealt more than a little bit include the following.
What evidence is there that intelligence is a more useful survival trait for the species than low IQ, impulsive, violence?
Is there an upper limit to the usefulness of intelligence, beyond which we become useless, effete, fearful, wankers? I look at your average leftist, your average GOP politician and I think so, but God, aka mother nature, has not yet released that information.
I’m very skeptical of a test that would measure intelligence; yes IQ does select for math and physics geniuses; beyond that you are just making stuff up. To start grading human life by IQ tests misses the point of life entirely. Does and IQ test measure cunning, ingenuity, deception, humor? No. Who would argue human survival could do without those important elixirs?
IQ measures more than math and science. And yes, IQ does measure things like cunning and ingenuity in a way. Those are the results of underlying things like verbal skills and problem solving. IQ correlates well with outcomes. That said, human beings are not moist robots. Mohamed Ali was dumb as a goldfish, but blessed with glibness and the ability to take a punch. He had a great life.
I have said on several occasions that I don’t put those with so-called high IQ’s on any kind of pedestal because there are many other character traits that go into making a decent human being. That being said, I find it terribly repulsive that some commentators here seem to lump ALL people in the lower half of the Bell Curve as “dumb as rock” idiots. Consider what you are saying with those who are considered Saints in some faiths. I would say if you were to measure their heart, commitment to their fellow man, and unselfish love, they would put… Read more »
Character is higher than intellect. T.S. Eliot
I would put the emphasis on “[measuring intelligence from testing] misses the point of life”. It is a too convenient device wherewithal to address complex human situations. You live in the ghetto? O you must be dumb.OK. If you told 3rd century A.D. Roman senators that England would rule the high seas and much of the earth some centuries hence they would have laughed at you. Even if you told Roman patricians of the 14th century that in a couple centuries the sun would never set on the British Empire they would still have laughed at you. explain to me… Read more »
Dex Quire being skeptical of IQ tests. Educate yourself. First read Daniel Seligman’s A Question of Intelligence: the IQ Debate in America @ $0.01 + shipping at Amazon. Next, if you are up to it, read Arthur Jensen’s The g Factor: The Science of Mental Ability. (An academic, not popular, level book so beware.) Now for a story. While in college one student in 1963 had on the GREs Verbal 800, Math 800, and 960 out of 970 in his subject exam. He also had on the Navy Pilot IQ exam a perfect score: something, if I recall, like 116… Read more »
Problem 2: there is a tendency to overestimate the ability of advanced societies to adapt to scarcity. Even a minor disruption in food or power supply would wring the US to its knees, and transfer power from the ” elites” to those stupid proles. You know, the ones who know how to shoot, and are willing and able to fight for what they need.
One problem: the so called elites with their high IQs are to blame for much of the degradation of western civilization.
I work for a medical testing company. Spoke with a friend in International sales last week who had just returned from Brazil. Asked if Zika testing was selling crazy fast there. He said – “no, middle class women have just stopped having kids.”
Sounds like the opening scene of Idiocracy but worse.
In the robot future, for example, the stupid will have their own robot custodian to keep them on the straight and narrow. Or, better training will raise up the stupid making them less stupid.
If by better training you mean genetic engineering, then I think you’re on to something. Everyone thinks that the next age will be the age of the intelligent machine, and it might be, but if it is then the one immediately following will be the age of flesh and our mastery of it.
I’m a bit skeptical of the robot future, but I’m much more bullish on the genetic future. We’re much more likely to see gene therapies to eliminate a vast range of diseases and defects than we are to see Terminator. Extending life and the quality of life is something with great demand. Super intelligent robots that become aware has no demand. Inevitably, resources will flow into the former and not the latter.
The disease of democratic equality progressively numbs the hind mind which it has created for itself. That is death by ice. But fire would melt that construction and free the beast. “The soul of man is a dark forest. The Hercynian Wood that scared the Romans so, and out of which came the white-skinned hordes of the next civilization. Who knows what will come out of the soul of man?”
Related: the first ten minutes of Mike Judge’s “Idiocracy”
http://www.videobash.com/video_show/idiocracy-intro-245281
Also related: Cyril Kornbluth’s “The Marching Morons.”
“Smart people not only make smart decisions, they mitigate the dumb decisions of others.” Smart people commit suicide in America at significantly statistically higher rates than people not considered smart. And any smart person would admit they are not smart about lots of things, including very important things that forever affect a life or many potential lives. Smart folks declaimed and had to have had smart folks hear “hindsight is 20/20” and appreciate it in order for the wisdom to have spread around, which contains some humility within the sentiment properly understood. Humility about just how smart folks are. Nazi’s.… Read more »
I’ve read some of her novels and some of her speeches but I have never come across anything like the statement “which is why Ayn Rand wanted to exterminate them.”
Seems doubtful to me especially her coming from that communist hell hole she escaped from and the ideas she espoused. Can you provide a link to said sentiment? That would be appreciated.
It’s there, though not explicitly recommended as a program. In ‘Atlas Shrugged’ her ideal woman, Dagny Taggart, cold-bloodedly executes a man who refuses to make a choice, even when he’s told it’s the only way to save his life. And the author tells us she is right to kill such a man. The famous case of the train in the tunnel is another example: all the people on board, *even the children*, deserve to die because of their moral corruption. Rand doesn’t prescribe firing squads or gas chambers, but she approves of the removal of unfit humans. In the end,… Read more »
If everything is relative and subjective, who gets to determined who is unfit? And why? That’s what makes me sweat.
Thanks for the references. I’ll have to revisit those but my recollection, albeit from awhile ago, where of many consequences of the State having taken over and the unrelenting demands of the “administrators” were a part of the story line of what was to be a part of socialism in America. That was my take-away.
Nuance wasn’t really Rand’s thing. She went for black-and-white polar opposites, and didn’t bother much with what didn’t fit into her picture. Yes, the state apparatus is the engine of destruction in AS – it passes regulations. nationalizes industry, binds productive people and uses the law to persecute anyone who won’t cooperate. But the real villains are “the looters”, and that term applies to everyone who wants to benefit from someone else’s ability. In Rand’s dystopian future world, that covers pretty much everyone. In the novel, it really is “the 1%” who are the good and the rest are either… Read more »
Thanks Dr. for that summary. I guess when I read her writings, I project myself into them as one of the “producers” and assume that because society is made up of both producers and takers that not everyone is in cahoots with the state, that the “fight” was a common fight. You are right to point out that her stories do talk from the 1% vantage point but from people who are not in agreement with the state and therefore have more in common from a value perspective as the rest of society who hold similar values. While I personally… Read more »
Ayn Rand wanted to exterminate stupid people? Where do you find that in her work? Projecting much?
Men who have been paying attention have started removing themselves from the re population game. By the time I was in my late 20’s after having one kid and going through the man hating “family” courts, I got a vasectomy to make goddamned sure that I NEVER would get that kind of treatment again. Had I had a son, I would have offered to pay for him to get a vasectomy for his 18th birthday if he’d wanted one. Sure, I’m all for what is left of western civilization, but not if it means risk of exposure to that sheep-shearing… Read more »
Ayn Rand never wanted to eliminate stupid people. You should apologize.
If that’s true (and from what I recall of her novels, I think it is), *she* should apologize.
“I think it is” == I think you’re right, I don’t recall her wanting to zap anybody.
http://whittakerchambers.org/articles/nr/bigsister/
Whittaker Chambers would disagree.
Funny how the Old Right had no tolerance for libertarians. Today, there’s no difference between those who call themselves Conservative and those who call themselves Libertarians.
When I was in college back in the Jurassic, “Libertarian” meant “fiscally conservative, socially liberal” (to the more thoughtful Libertarians, anyway; to the others, it meant “I’ve built my whole identity around smoking weed”). At the time, I thought that was profound. Now I realize there’s no such thing as “socially” liberal — there’s just liberal, full stop, which is synonymous with “I want to destroy ambient civilization, because I’ve confused Society with my Daddy.” (I’m not the quickest study sometime). But then I actually read some of Ayn Rand’s other stuff. She wrote a whole book about “Libertarian” aesthetics.… Read more »
Whittaker Chambers? Would that be the *Communist* and *Soviet Spy* Whittaker Chambers? So you’re going to publish the opinion of this person as your own on what Ayn Rand thought? I openly defy you to find *anything* that Ayn Rand ever said or wrote that in any way suggests that she wanted to “exterminate” lower IQ people. This is unsettling because I had expected better of you.
Chambers left communism and became a giant in conservative circles. His testimony against Alger Hiss nearly ruined him and put his life in jeopardy. Arguably, his autobiography is one of the must read texts for anyone on the Right.
Chambers understood better than just about anyone the logical end of materialism. You would do yourself a world of good by reading Witness and reading his critique of Rand.
No, I would do myself a world of good by never visiting your blog again. If you’re quoting communists rather than doing your own research, then I don’t need you. Bookmark deleted. Buh-bye..
You don’t have to live in darkness. It is a choice.
haha Troll Level: boy sized genitals.
People who refuse to read others with whom they violently disagree are possibly those described by Z – low IQ, impulsive and violent.
One must read those with whom one so disagrees, especially if they write well and are persuasive. Know your enemy.
So please, come back and comment some more.
Buh-bye to Codsnoot. I read the Whitaker Chambers essay, (and also The Fountainhead, Atlas Shrugged, years ago.) It seems to me, according to Chambers, that nowhere did Ayn Rand suppose that her hero or she herself would like to personally eliminate the rabble, but it is passively implied in the ruin she imagines will occur when smart, resourceful men retreat to their self-interests, leaving dullard tribes to their own fate. If she’s not wishing it, then she’s certainly needing it for her narrative, for her hero’s ultimate free hand to rebuild the world “as it should be.” Did I get… Read more »
Exactly. Chamber saw first hand that materialism strips people of their humanity. Once you stop seeing people as your fellow humans, slamming the oven door on them is easy.
This is what I refer to as “othering”, which I can’t claim as original.
Some of us don’t need Chambers to tell us that. It is why even having gone to business school, I never bought “hook, line and sinker” the mentality that “maximizing profit” was the end-all, be-all of business leaders. Look at where the globalization push and the drive for “perpetual profit engines” has gotten the world. And who is it that is pushing for two things: 1. reducing the world’s population by very unacceptable means, and 2. seeking to leave earth only to transport their problems outward to other worlds (wherever you go, there you are!). It is the elites. They… Read more »
Agreed. Chambers isn’t saying Rand explicitly advocated genocide, but that she simply left unsaid what her Technocratic New World Order would inevitably require. I find it strange that so many people refuse to see the road map when it’s laid before them. For instance, the BLM/Occupy/This is What Democracy Looks Like/LGBTQWERTY demographic fails to see the obvious outcome of their success. If their Global Overlords become all powerful, as they advocate, the Movement becomes redundant, possible dangerous to have around, and a Night of the Long Knives becomes inevitable. When Black votes do not matter in the Post- Democracy the… Read more »
the z-dog likes to take some liberty with the facts! that’s what morally and intellectually superior people do, right Mr z? z seems to have zero faith in America or Americans, unless they’re non-Hillary voters! haha…what a laugh the zblog is! Just a tip for you though zee…you might want to check the iq’s of the trump voters before you anoint any of them as being “non-stupid”…check their pulses while you’re at it….in the meantime…try this advice zman! “when I search the faceless crowd…a swirling mass of grays and black and white…they dont look real to me..in fact they look… Read more »
Thank you for your input.
After watching “Hillary’s America” I wonder what will become of the poor souls who failed to bring Victory to Crooked Hillary? She has never failed and never will, but when she has been failed she cleaned, squeaky clean, her biography of people entrusted to gain her power without success.
May God hold you, in the palm of His hand.
I give you more credit than the Senator Geary from The Godfather actor who was in Apocalypse Now and said to Harry Ford “if you eat that shrimp you’ll never have to prove your courage again.”